EXTRA ANORMAL - 90 | viajé hasta un bosque de méxico en busca de BRUJAS NAHUALES

Episode Date: June 22, 2023

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be welcome to a chapter more of podcast extra anormal. My name is Pacuarias and I'm very happy to be here with all of you this occasion

is a question a question is a really especially because I'm with one of the people extra mega

paranormal of all Mexico. The day of today me accompany the senior Antonio Samudio.

How are you, Anthony? My cherisim, Paco, an honor and a deradero privilege that come to come to come to do this podcast, much thanks.

For the people, Samudio, that not you do you know, tell us who you're going to because when they're in

count, who's got to be in a little monster, who they're going to get to the agency Mexican of investigation

for the man, they're they're living about the people, no manche. Exactly. Well,

effectively I've been 27 years in the area. I'm the president, funder of the Agency Mexican of Investigation Paranormal, and we're the first organism of investigation, classification, and evidence

of the phenomena. When I'm about the first organism, I'm talking to the, we're talking to the century 21, the century 20, the 21, no?

Yes. Of some we're a group of a collective of experts in different areas, of those which we love

the theme, evidently, us appassionate, and what we want to show really what what I mean a phenomenon.

Never, we're never we're used to that we're with that. Because, there's a lot of people

that say, I don't I think, I'm honestly, pardon that you say, I'm very

brutally, honestly. So, So, never originate this organism to say, I want to

do that everyone says, ah, they're the investigators that all Mexico

were, no. We're the first in these epoas, but we're the second

in Mexico. Wow. The second in Mexico, because the first, I'm

going to give a data historical that many many some

some, some some, maybe they had in account. The first valuart

the investigation psychics in Mexico is nothing more and nothing than that Francisco Ignacio

Madero. Wow. The revolutionary. Why do you do? Because he did many studies in

France and thanks to those studies, well, he knew the doctrine of Alan Kardek.

Alan Kardek for who know it's the father of spiritism. It's how we know the spiritism.

So, he fund the association of investigation psychica of Coahuila. Okay.

If I'm a little in the number, of a moment, it's a word,

but it's investigation psychic. So, Madero was a medium scriient.

Wow. Imagine so, imagine. Tremendor. So, so, so,

so, so, so, so, for not only for a revolutionary, but

also, now, now, now, now so to get to Mexico

to this revolution spirit. This very, very, on the ground. So,

for us the first organism and the agency is practically the second. The second. Wow.

Flota, no, they're going to get to the final, because the things that we're going to

be a important. Because the day of today, as you know, I've got to I'm a

question, the fact, I'm I'm honest. I'm I've got I'm back many questions

because I'm in the channel I've talked with much

people who had been infinity of experiences but what good good luck to have a

expert that I'm saying, you know, this is for this because something I'm

a lot of some days that we talked about is that the 100 of phenomena not all

are reales. So, this is the law. You say something very important.

The videos you're doing in TikTok with the videos that you're doing

in YouTube almost in the 99.9 are falseos. But really

exist those that are really and that if can't, that you can't show us to make us

to be, and they're there's where if there's a evidence a 100% real,

that's for a checke of experts where you just did you do you

do you do it, you're that no there's not a modificed in some

software no way there really is something native graved a camera

where they're capturing evidence real that's paranormal. So, family, if not you're subscribed,

you invite you to subscribe to the channel, activate the because if this is really this very interesting. Fifate,

I have a question that I'm going to feel to feel offending if I'll have because I always say

I'm going to do you know paranormal but I'm going to pass the answer with the answer with the question.

Here the question is what what you did you do you did you do you

to do to do you to do do you And the phenomenon paranormal, for that all the people know it's a creency. Ojo with that.

Fiance, how I'm I'm saying, okay. Well, is that me suceded something and I think that I'm so I'm going to

the moment of the realyctica to say, I think, is that I'm there's a speculation. Yes.

But, when we're we're not we're going to do something, we're doing methodology, we're going

to apply certain hypotheses and, well, the context profound of an investigation where involucre the investigation scientific is when

you get to the point of confirmation. So, then is a creencia. It's a actual. Yeah, is an

actual. Exactly. So, so, I always say, the investigation paranormal,

no is a creencia. It's investigation. Dentro of all of these investigations, tell us

what was one of that even to you, being a expert in the matter,

to have caused, no, I know, some I'm going to say, you know,

this, this is the respect I'm a chingo. Well, you know, evidently respectas

from the point of view of the testigo, no? Always we're very responsible

to take a case. For us, a case in evidence, is of

a importance of the individual receptor. In this case, the testigo, the

that's presentiing the actions, the that in some form live the phenomena,

no. More than the phantasm, the spirit, as you want to for us

part of the consequence of the receptor. And no it's straightly that that the

receptor is mean that we know, our job is to know that's

being to me too for example, no. Our work is to have

a discerniment logical for that in the mind not

affect of all. Because I I was just a little we've a little we've a video

Paco was with us a graduation with George and I'm in the panel

I said it's more feo for a person that's a person

a person testio not is very to say to you I mean me

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm not sure the person

that the person that the person who you want to remember because

something I'm even is that a sometimes this you

generate a trauma so Firt. So, that the fact of record it,

you're generating also, another way, and reviving the sentiments. And it's something that

I always like the people, about the people, yeah, it's really cool, no, it's

a chido, the spirit and the spectrum. But really really, but really, living a experience real,

is something, yeah, and you know, because? So, so, no, it's a chido, it's traumatic,

it's, and not only for the individual, receptor, but for the people that

the people that is a way, no, no, no, it's a story of

terror, chikos, I respect much the channels that about this but so I'm very

very emphatic in saying, okay, explain a little more. Yeah. Because

the, the context to say, you're going to be to be a story of a phantasm

because attract a very very evident because the people that are sent down in their

computer, in their dispositive and they're listening, they're thinking that it's a story that maybe

can be a fiction and no. Because if they were in their sapats, crean me,

that they didn't even have any five minutes listening. And you know what is the

colmo? There's a lot I'm done to do it to live a normal

because never has never been nothing. And no he's not to

that person and me said I've said yeah I'm I've done a

invocation front the face put you vellas. And my only response is, brother,

if not you have passed nothing, believe me, that you're a fortunate. I mean, to be,

to be, to be, I mean, I'm going on the mess. The major part of the

point of the point of our investigations and the cases are people who are people who don't want

to know of the thing. Yeah. A see, something so,

so like in your channel or our channel of YouTube also can there subscribe to Agents

of Negro or in my paranormal of the agents of the number. We're almost

we're almost we're doing, I'm doing, Fienes, years after. For example,

there are cases that we have from the year of 2006 and I'm in platic

with the people who have evolutioned that process or that trauma that trauma

and we we're materials of the video-intervists so then just

I'm just I'm how you see me authorizes reveled your case? Yes.

And me have costed I'm believe. It's that are things that work very in the

form of so it's it's a place where they don't even even even to think

to think of this type of experiences is very traumatic but I have a

question the people here here in my history that was my

experience that I did you did it also that was I It's called much the attention

to something that's you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, the past

is that for us is that for us one, the experience of the person is principal. Sure.

From my point of view as expert, to do do the area of the trincher

of investigation, no, so I mean it's a clear that so I'm sure you, it's not

it's fortuit. As like our great- friend and colleague that he made a

love to Peter Amoros of Spain, a grand investigator also emvaluart.

I said, the phenomenon usually has the three is ephemero, sporadic. And epimero sporadical.

Oh, if I'm bribed the other. I'm going to record during, pardon me,

Pedro, the class. No, no, no. It's a great friend and a colleague, but

is a type that I read much when was a chabbo, you know, I, I,

I, I, I've the opportunity to interview him, and and,

and, the You know, that is the car of the investigation that I was in a revista that's called Anewero, that's a year zero. So, well, no me want to deviant. Well, the person that

lived a phenomenon fortuit, which is just the we're talking of ephemero and sporadical, simply the sucedo. No, it was, well, no, no, it's enganched of all, maybe, maybe you know, my experience

if I don't have an explanation and if I'm saco of the end. But no effect, Sure. Different, corte to the person that constantly live assediated

for a phenomenon that no can't explain to be. That's the marcas that people are the people that are totally.

Because imagine you know, you're right we're talking about here, if I would have a phenomenon of this

indolice, if I'd I'd be I'm affected I'd say to be about to be about to be

and in the night this car yeah not to be going to be to be only with

that thing. And you you'll you'll get to try it and eventually my

mind I'm going to say if that if that night no way there's no way

I'm going to the energy sufficient for that that is that's doing connection connecion

with me and that did it so for a so for that you know for that an entity

and a entity starts to make match with the person receptor. Okay. If the

person receptora simply not the person Sema, so I've said banally How you can't avoid this?

No, no, you know, but if there are cases like in the videos that you go to get to get

to make, that's the Polterger's of the Narvarte that are like consecutively day after

day, night after night and are so contunded as the movement of object

in reason apparent, that person doesn't that person, but has this is this. What do you recommend

to the people that are living because much people have written and I approach the space to say I'm not I'm not

expert to say this to do you because I'm that much people who see the the content and they

send them I'm actually even in the title of I put help so I'm

so I'm not I'm so I'm I'm not I can't say this because really I

really I'm a person more that that's a person I don't know I'm no expert, but you, that is, what you can't recommend to someone who is living

an acoso, paranormal? I can't call it so. Yes, yes, it's, it's a, so it's denomina as a cause. Well, principally, in the case of us, when they're coming with the

agency, we're, we're to realize a sunde, a indigation propially and very abertament of the phenomena, of all. So,

so it's a a platica, is a a dialogue profound of the phenomenon that that person is a person is living.

To start and understand we're trying we need to do the assesoria, for where we can't

support or in what sense a level psychological or psychiatric we can explain it.

So, this of help, I need to this, that doesn't help in nothing,

nor you do you know, as, as as the channel of YouTube of Paco

and for our inbox is, no me doesn't help. Sure, I prefer that me say,

oh, I'm going this in my house, I'm going descriptive. As they're not in the

chavos, the context. That of context, you have to say it's because, because he

has the time to see he has the time to read it and can pass months. If there

a person that's the plan that says, you know I don't know more, as we've talked to the cases.

We're not our numbers WhatsApp to public, you know, that person that is a person that is because, oh,

there's many there's out of that want. Yeah, so, if you, they're doing, the occasion. The classic

way, that says, I, I, I've been a phenomenon, brother, net, I say, to do you

do it, so, if it would be even even stuier, and in a chat. So,

it's classic to say, I want, because I want to I don't know I don't see there's I don't see

no I think no it's not not being no we're not not we're not we're not

so so so but let's I mean a person real that has a phenomenon

what you don't want to is exponers in a chat public

there there with there with so I don't know because why I'm going to

live some experience paranormal because something I like much

of how you manage is that you use much the logic obviously and the

and the science so you know you don't you know the spirit

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a lecture of all his diagram family even. So, not only your

testimonial is important, but if you do you do you do you your mother, your family,

your friends, anyway, those people have to talk to exactly what you're what you

did you and there specifically questions that I do you do in my

case I studied for academia psychology so a basis structural of the parapsychology

is the psychology conventional if you know if you're not you're not you're not so so you know

so you can't you can't make a dialectic with someone that's being being maybe atormentated for his

own torres nocturns for example or can't simply live a phenomenon epimel sporadic

no and fortuit no so me he's me I put the F of fortuit

so So that's instantaneo. That's that you can't an explanation and pass your life normal. Okay. But there's

people that's in it. For example, there's people that's like, you know, I'm going to pass over the

passio. Chin, I'm pago the light and you can't do that because obviously there

something there is a that's a so you can't get to the people, it's the psychology that we can't

your psychology in my psychology of the okay. This is the same what you when you see a

movie of a movie? That you get you also to suggestionate. Totally. That's what's your self-suggestion

or simply you know. That's a type of process chemics in your brain you're when you're seeing a

movie of you're going to that's being that's obligating because you like that. And if you like

to do you the rush the stress no? Evidently you goza that but you

do you know sure maybe it's a call center if they like that no for example

and that that a sensation of fear is a great for the person is the case of the

proper people who do you do you don't have to you're insolid you're going to you're going to

analysis but they know that those people usually have they're very ephemers

so for example you get to your house after the movie of terror and the suingas

or you you're a consequence specific or a scene specific what what what's

what's what's what's it's cerebral application total and absolutely psychological. Because at the final of the day

the CERROTE you say, okay, we're going to the movie, you like, that they're getting corretiating with a Cuccio? We're going to goretee with a

Cuccio. Yeah, yeah. I have a question that I'm saying in that moment but, but before,

but before to enter for that he's explained to this. That's the great difference between one that person

that, for example, the type of this, I've I used in your life

he's going to because in his cerebr there's there's a there's a predisposition to look

a encounter that know that the moment that he he doesn't he he's

he's going to be definitely it's like when they say the most valiant

is the he's the I'm I'm always I'm I'm always I'm a little

a general real because the people a person sometimes think this

it's It's that it's at 3 of the morning, it has to be on on the Wednesday

or the Thursday or Halloween. I always I've said, and the people

that's been with the moment that have experimented an

real experience for normal is that was that was the day. I'm

I'm gizando I had my my baby in the cuna that there is

where it's where it's where I'm where I'm where I'm that's about much

of the phenomenon of the Chaneques. Knownos, in some parts, like Alushes, like duendes,

is a part fiftate that where I did know that it's very common that's that I'm

family and I'm know, and I have been been with us in the podcast that they have been

to get to see how you know, the most the most that's my friend is my friend is my

friend's he's called with us his baby recently recently that's a baby

that not he doesn't and the cabicita in less of 30 seconds

disappears of the kuna standing in a house being the first of

the day and they start to look all the the the she's

he's he's spanta the door the door with all

all the all-oadita I was she was she he's he's he's

he so I'm in this moment my spouse I don't we don't we need

like a baby a across the cun with all and he was there

even he didn't even so so then so what the family said you

have got to have to baptize to the yeah but how is

how is what is how is what is this phenomenon No, also, I don't I'm going to

not going to these associations, but the delinquents occupant also the classic legends, okay.

So, is that's for example, the people that people who get in the bosque,

principally protection civil, the mount of those have to do have to do the barrier to find

those people. But there can, there says, it's he's, he's the spirit

of the you know. Oh, oh, because you can't be hidden or can be a picture of an organism of an organization of a delinquency

that's that's and then it's a thing of this thing of the no, it's the brocha, it's

the boy so, oh, with that it's in the case that you're in the case, and they're

they're unfortunately to the yeah. So, a bit, we've we've investigated three

cases of the register of Bruchas in Mexico, for example. Okay. That's a lot

because it's something that's something that's about the Naguil is luta, they love. Well,

in one of the cases more representat us is the Bruja Nahual of Peanalobos in where there's a

state of Mexico, in the Poloo of Hyloxingo that not data of a year,

I'm I'm talking to be five generations atras even a little

more atraz where even of the time of the Conquista Why we we're not

this information because we don't we're not with the thing of the okay here there are there are

the children for this for this is the accotation there there are there are utensilus

in certain areas specific of peeing of lobos of the peans as because

it's due a place that is known there and the center

of ceremony Tommy example so then They say robered to the children. If there are a investigation

profound in the time medieval, particularly in Europe, where the women, not only women, there were women,

there were doing, and so they were like Larrs, of those which were like, on specific,

in specific, pardon. And those feces, tributable, tributabing, they, and often,

and not do I, do you, is in the marty of the Bruchas, they're in other texts

very antivus, where the women sacrificed them. Well, and they were in a tribute direct to that the God

pagan, called Baphomet, Diablo, demon, and you want you want to you want, you want,

you know, that's the time the century 16, the century, the so we're not

we're not that we're in a don't, if there are there's there's, so,

so, Cote A, Hilo, we're we're there are brujas in Mexico and I gole

well if there's there in the market Sonora no or many yeah in TikTok no yeah

many are that you unes to live and you need in the future but

but I but I but I want to mark a difference Paco one one

one is the person I'm so I'm so so I'm another

thing is the Brucha Guanavi I you I'm I'm

I know I'm so Pocos. And the other is the Bruchin, a creature of the night.

Think of how I'm saying. No, I'm Creatura of the night. Why? Because it's a per se

in, in vivo. What does this? That is a person that by the ritual

and by many of us is known as the paganism not is confused with the Uika. Oh, no

has to have to the wika. I was In fact, precisely, in the wiccas. Well, has its a trusson,

but that's a religion. No, no. What I'm about is of the granderas that there.

Okay. So, no, I don't, I understand perfectly the concept historical of

the puritanos in that then. And of the religion misogina also,

I don't do pass for alto, but, oh, one thing is the part of

what you I'm talking, the legend of And other cause is the reality.

So, if there at the russes, if there were a brucas that were

synestras and raped them and sacrificed them, too. And if had this

connection or this communion with the God, or demon or what that's in tribute to

what they they were they're evidently children. So when you have a case

in the case of the case of the case of the world as a little dimensional.

Revisant all the expedient. All the background. All right. Why is the zone of Hiloxingo?

What has to be? What has to special Hiloxingo? Yeah. And, so,

the reserve of peeing of lobes. Well, the reserve of peeing of lobos does a vortex electromagnetic

fiat. Okay. That is peña of the lobes, the peans, the peans, the panas,

that are some of some of some of some of the center of the domino.

They're an triangulation and the that's the triangle is the the camp

electromagnetical where is the where is the where is the most underground and who who is a investigator

will recognize that the concept of electromagnetism is very related with the energy so in

absolute you consider that you know I don't say the word you have

you have exactly the concept these these creatures of the night

all day to exist we we're we I mean I

you talk of an investigation of this It passed in 2004. 2004, when we

we're going to we're going to 6, we're going, 2008 we're going, 2011, we're going, 2015, 2016, 2,021,

also, but what was what happened there? They're going, they're they're upical, or,

plating with the people that was affected. All the context very profound, Errman, that the

truth is that, not we'll not get the time for to talk about I'm I'll give

the resume the context general synthesized very synthesized I'm talking of the initials

we're talking we're talking about the vortex magnetico that's there and a

night special that's in that cellars in that run in tribute to Valpurgis you know

you know who is Valpurgis I'm I'm I'm think is the name

of an angel cailed some demonio no no no blah

false it's it's it's well he's doing a

question a no Valpurgis is like a a like a

god god when I know about paganism not I'm weke

and we're talking about a spirit in the naturalness and Valpurgis can

represent as a woman as a man, like what is a Valpurgis is an

essence that's a lot of kids. Okay. And you know what the

time is? October? 30 of April. April. Ooh, yeah. Ah.

So, much people then of this day of the new, of the the new,

of the there's a much, there's much controversy in that the day of the new

he found an ex-president Mexican, no I don't remember who

who, the right? But it's much more back. So we're talking about

the 30 April, it's the tribute to Abal Purges. It's alimented of the

news and the festival the day of the day of the year of the child is that

the adult is supervising the context oscuro me got to impression

I really never I'm I'm exactly of that's a

day very representative at least here in Mexico that is you

you The investigation Paramal not is creedia I'm I think for example in the

people of Giloxing when we went to make a present of testimoniales there's a program

that we we did we in the 2011 just we we went to get to

robos and we we're to get to get to recabors and the people

to talk the people the adult the adult major the sabia

you talk to the the bruchas always the barbechos that

they were they were those the people locators that the brucas they're in the women

in the women embrasas for example no? That's what said that's the people that have had

been a experience that is certain that they say that's like the same and the same and the same

the same the same there's there's that there's there's like a locus but real

man brown no no no is the no it you're going to be you're not

that's a manas pardon what what what I'm what I'm about this grand

hechicers I'm talking of creatures nocturnas that with the path of the path of

these tributes to their they're they're they're they're how to

a posima how make a through the gerbos and apart the grimorios

those grand grimorios that they have to make that a woman a woman

embarrassed pierde the knowledge in the dream and they can

sotraer to the creature. That's possible. That's so, so so it

was what happened when when we when we're going to get to go to us and we just that's

just for that's what we're saying when we when we're when we're when we're when we

we're going to the end the years pastos uh was that and not a case

and not a 20 30 30 cars so those the women despertable

and they they were in a moratada. So, they said, those of the people, then they said, is that they chupin the alma, they chupon

the, no? Yeah, the same. And at the moment of succulent the al-al-al-al-a-al-a- because, principally, the menton to the

nose, the, all of her back here. So, they're mortals. So, is that is

the point where it's the issue of mark the difference between what is a fiction and what is a

reality, that is a legend, a hoist a voice, what is the antecedent of the

children or children that have that were that's this type of mortes. Evidently

when you go to indigarch to the registros of those registros of those

I'm about 50 60 years after the murders were as

so so so so blah. But when you say, 30 cases, and justly in the Feature of 30 April, KPEX, you know,

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Morte of Kuna. For us, it's for us to have been cabosante. Acausal, oh, we're not saying, in an initial, I what you can't say is the investigation has 2,04 of the date. Yeah, it's for 20 years. It's a tremendous. If you explained, you see the context of

because of sometimes there's people, we're just we encountering, a supervivient of that time. Ah, if it's, supervient in the sense that he passed to that his son, and when we

we called her, we know, and when we know, she said, I mean, how much? How does it? So, because that is an enigma. Here, the people,

we always, we're always, for suppositions, for legennas, but one really, or surviving. Well,

Merevient because she did it, she saw, and he saw how in the cune of his

he was to postra of a piece of a smearer a lot very enormous. We're talking

of 50, 60 years after from the 2006, oh, 2006, 50 years

60 at that in that area of Giloxingo because, well, like all the zones

rural, it's a little to get to get to get to the technology, the

electricity, blah, blah, so this person, live in a in a place

rural with an emulminate with velas. So, there is where our discernment

to say, okay, he was he was he was, you know, so I know,

not it's not that we create us, it's that we're more objective. Yeah, so,

so, they're going to the, to the thing, to the actual, because,

okay, I'm there's the retorica with my experts, of my experts,

psychiatras, excellent And it's when we do this exploration or overiguation by the interviews. They're present when it's presential or when

us, right we're doing video-jammats, they're in all the interview with the testigo and they're doing a valouration psychiatric. Fiatte.

Okay. It's interesting because something something something that I've got to clear, I know, the part of

the country, people where electricity still there, I've heard, I've I've heard and

I've told infinity of experiences like you describe as that are places where

really are very very much my mom my mom that's being a person

the people know the people the people the bruchas to the adults don't

they tend they're not they're they're they rewien but a little a little

a child you're a child is a tribute is energy is So it's all.

So, all. So, so. So, then it's really low. And so, pardon. Principally,

they're in the genera woman. The bruchas. For that's not we're saying those bruches. They're

women. Well, to give a little, we're going to let them to say, the investigation

is so so, with to say, with us, to say, we're talking to the construction of

the center Cereumorial Otomin. We've, we've a various shamanes of there. We've interviewed

a lot of people the people who live at the around the barbechos and all this and they're all right of bruchas

bruchas and bruchas and bruchas here, bruchas there, then as like we

as it's like a perro, it's been like a perro and lader as well definitely

you're not you're not you can't say putta no, I still he'd still

after after much work and much work of discernment scientific.

Because also can happen what you have to explain. A cumul of a

mytho in the voice of someone in the oratoria of the legends and they say

they're they're because they're not we're to know to be authorities

also don't know I'm no no no no no no for so also

our agency there has has connections with the government and these

connections were principally of cases of these. So, we know, we have to give part of the authorities. Okay. So, so, how you manage, or how, over all you manage, I mean, we're talking to

about the creatures of the night with the Naguil? So, it's being being being the same? Or is, let's, you know, a rango, still more... There's the interesting of the case of the Bruja Nahual. For so we put us the Bruchinawale of Peña of Lobos. That's if it's called. The

expedient is this. Okay. Because in Nagual, because in the time of what is the conquest and this issue of the of the

evangelization and all this area of the state of Mexico is very predominant the shamanes shamanes

reales no no the way that you don't know the way that these guys they have the

tradition oral the tradition this ritualist of many many generations after

and also they're when when they're when they're with their evangelization but some

some people get also with the context purgeril for example so they're so they

get the mescolance not only the evangelism but he was also the messcolance of the paganism

about about this diablo baphomedi and things that was another version in the

language was another concept although that if they're in their equilibrium between the and the

man. Okay. Well, when you you're you're going to talk to the person who

insisting, our data are specifically of persons that you have done, but that fortunately we

have done those testimonials of those people, many, many, talked as like,

contigo, but not grabados, because there are people that said, no, no,

I do, I do you, I do to do you, but I think it do you do do you,

okay. Like, like, that we see we have a videotaca very extensive of the

case of the witch in the world and they they're about that you in the

peans below of what is you doves for kind of

like like they're like escalando and and there

and in the covas and in the caves they're they're they

they're like bestias but humanoid okay that are

vestigios or original. So, so, are, are the those then,

of the ethnic, the time, and I'm about, if they're 50, 60 years

back, I'm more in the Conquista. So, so, almost 500 years.

And in these, in these figures, they're, they're, they're, they're,

they're, they're not for Netflix the first, because it was a fact that's my

company, no, this, they're, they're, they're diableros. Diableros.

Diableros. The diabolero not is the context of a brute who that's exactly only only demonies,

it's a way that for his attributes and mysteries magicos and, well,

ritual is very, very portentos can transmutars in an animal. That is

a diablero, but also there are the shamans, shamanes also Nahuas, is that

also in this concept there are good and malos. Yes. The diablero

usually is the he has fechorias. The good, the shaman, well, is the that usually cura, sanna,

is the people of the bad, malos, or the people me say, the people, for example, that have

talked about, is that they say they don't they put in a price to... It's that is that is that

is that is that would be the costor because the shaman of the

that I'm the man of the grand sabio of an etnia, is the grand savi at which is a person

very respected for all the community and to the person because live of the community not exactly

of what he cobre but that they they're they're not they're animals for their subsistency

roba things so but in in intercham the shaman for curate the people yeah

yeah that they're exactly that they're they're they're they're they're

to give them to the because they're or to talk of these grand serularios

I don't I'm not I'm not I'm not those guys these guys discarded here those

these women are not in figure a part of I'm to get to I'm going to get to

I'm going to talk about the great masters of the alta magia

in this concept there two vertient and there is the diabler

too put you so and if you guys and they cover

for I want to the animals to the because I get a gordo pass in this type of

things or I think that I know that no prosperes those people

so I'm talking about not a prosperity in the riche of the person but of

their own those their subsistency so so that is where that is where

I'm talking the the luch between the diabler and the

shaman and this has brother no more of 500 years. It's powerful. And still in the actuality. Ah.

That's not you was ever It's very interesting. The fact is where is where normally in what parts or in

what zones we can't find this type of people? Because of the there are, they're going

to give another of another of the many of the times that we're back back to the

area of the area of the zone of me to me took to live an experience that

when the I was always it's in china the and I'm very much because I've the opportunity

to see it I'm in my eyes. Of course we're just we're doing some days just before

the date of 30 of April oh- Fience because why it's, because if you never just

a single a year to get a lot of evidence, then you have to go to go to

go to do you for much that you want to I want to get to six

months and you have to the 30th of April of the next year. To put it. Yeah, I mean,

exactly. Well, yeah, I'm a tip, 30 of April. It's the Fecha specific for

recabar information of Peña of Lobos. But, well, more than this context, of those ways,

of those that we were to look more information, I wanted to look at a shaman, no?

I'm always I used to the diabler, but I want to the same shaman's to say,

no, the devilor is a The Diablero, the diabolero, you know, like, so, balasos, or how? He said, no, no, no, no, in form animal. Okay.

And I'm, to be, how in form animal? Oh, you're talking? I, you know, I'm a person. I know, Paco, and I'mphatically sceptic and super objective. Yeah, so, no, is of those that, let's, let's do you, let's do you. It's a person that has to

to give many whiltes to the thing to say, this is so I'm

for you know because I'm in a million forms. So, yeah, so no

it's of the guy's the guy, no, yeah, no, I mean,

no, no, no, no, I look all the all the all the derivants. Well,

so I need to I need to find a diabler or a shaman, no. I've had

done three years. And I'm said the shaman, one of one of he said,

he said, there will be a ceremony in the center of the ceremonial Tommy 20 the next year

and 20 before that then you're maybe you one or what other you're

to give information a yeah a a shaman because they they say no

the diableros those you findtran adentra to be adentrances to

but you know you you know but you know you know you

there are there sometimes there there something that this no I've told to

another other podcast You're going to have the honor of... Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Pardon, but no, it's presumption, but never I've done of the case of Peanagos.

In those then, when I went consecutively, of a sudden, they said, no, what you're going, next year? And in one of those years I got a collective

like six shamanes. And me said, now if we're going to do your diablero. You know, it's more, no, I'm going to

a bacculo that me regalarer. they they're wow they're oh yeah yeah

so if so don't you know they're getting with their indomentary ritual this

there were many people that I can I can't describe as much of barbos very large I had this

barb had this barb barb of canded and they were various and with baculus of this

style more, with more things, no? I mean, the he was one of those

shamans and me said, you have to protect, but no, no, no, no,

not to be to protect your your coreasa of no creencia. See, yeah,

so I said, yeah, so, yeah, your caracism is a, that's a vore here,

she's moody because in the bosque you're in your terrain yeah, definitely. And so,

and so, I said, I, when I said, me, he said, yeah, car, boy.

And then and he said one of my investigators, now you're going to become in the shaman Samoyle.

Oh, so, we're not us we're cotorre because evidently we're

respect us much, not the the clientia of the person and we respect us

but no, no, no, not those adjudicamos okay, well,

me did this, we went to come to come to come to recabed

some information recarable some we're we're certain I will leave here.

Well, this, for you see, it's a panace of the... Cranio is a craneo of the Ince. Okay. So, so...

There's... No, don't worry. It's... It's not too of those when they're the famous Misa Negra

in Catamaco. I go, there are images of people shamans that also have some... Like, you know,

more elaborated, have... No, no. So, the... I mean, me me, me did me didion

me do you, that's that's that's like to get a well no no demeritating because we did

let's we did we're for you like that you're just exactly it's special so I'm

so I'm a final day I'm so I'm impaped of that's so because it's very retributorial of part

of those persons and I'm very very grateful with those shamanes and me are being

thanks because independently that I not have seen specifically something

that I I don't even at the level sike, I mean my level sike is a pota

a man a man bestia if it's how it's how it so the truth is

that I was that I'm a fervor and the emotion to see and I

think me ruid and I made the camera so if if we we've

we've got with an team in hand and all the thing that's

that is an anecdote that is a standby because has

all his story when we went to we profound

of peonialogos but well Corte a I'm going another year I don't know

what I think I'm so I'm need to say I'm because only I'm only

I'm the oratoria I'm just the testimonial of them me gave a baston

ritual it's a so yeah but I yeah but yeah but I

so I'm so I'm so I'm so I'm you're I'm saying figureas of

men of Ombres with Coyotes because so they're made to these figures

bipedos or even maybe simi-s sometimes you say you know I'm like many

elements but I don't have a investigator so I'm a so I'm so I'm so I'm saying

we're going to do a ceremony special I want to come you have to have to

get days before you you're perfect we're always in the cabas of Peña of Lobos,

highly recommendable. No, it's to, for that not freaken and it's that they're

around the cabna of the reserve. I'm talking because the reference is Peña of Lobos.

But, but not are in the cabas where rents they're in the time,

they're very much so much, total, that I, I'm, I'm, one of those

days, that was, I'm back, when I'm, when we're back, well,

well, we're, we've, we're, we're, we're, and And that I see in one of the pinos, because there's

much pin, in one of the pinos, a person, a person. When we're going to enterandons to the center ceremonial, and he'll to me's investigators, oh, this is, I'm, I'm doing it's a, is a way in a pin. And he's gonna be, wait, and say, and he's a camera photographic and I'm gonna say,

see, yeah, it's a, it's a, a way. Yes. But in where is? It's in a pin, in where

it's like a pedestal, me said, I said, it's like a, well, yes,

yes, and we're like that's ceremony, it's, to be like, so, no,

to me, it's me, I'm just it's a good, but it's good,

but it's, we're, we're just we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna yeah, and there's

we're a camera photographic, reflex, not like the yeah, The reflexe antiquita. Okay.

Well, the of, no, the of the targetta, the role, almost, yeah, we're talking

of many years after. Yeah, so, so, so many six, 2007. Well. And apart,

even if we used, we don't we had the capacity monetary to buy a well,

in that then so. Total that we, we tryem we're coming to, yeah,

but that's the thing is to detect a phenomenon is the camera that camera that you

in the camera that you're there we go. And he said, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, this ceremony, because I like the idea of that we grab us all the context of them, like, like,

like, a syncretism, no? Yeah, summa the case, summa. List. We're going, we're going, how I see, we're going to, and I'm going to start. I'm not in a pedestal, we, he, was.

I'm in the arbor, car. And I was doing this. There's an air guy, because you'd have the pin like, car. And so I'm going to put it. So, just, nothing. And I said, no, as how does it? Where does it?

Yeah. I mean, I kept passado being it, because we had a distance like a little more of 12 meters, but it was a big, no? Beya the dimension of that type that, like a indumentary type shaman, and in the arbor, car. But the most

impressionant to the thing, Paco, was when it was when it was a alcon. And the alcon was an alcon, a gillia of Harris. In Mexico, there are two species principal, even one of them is used by the Sedna,

which is the Aguillia of Harris, and the symbol of Patriot is the Agile Real. Yes. The cadets usually trying Agillia of Harris. So it's like an eagle more

small. Well, then he started, there was the quote this here, and the eagle started to do these circles.

The rodio, it was a... And, well, I'm, Grasneed, because it's his, number, but they're like, uh,

no, those falcons. So I said, wait, because it's there no, I said, I said one of them of my

semester, I go, he said, uh, he's, he's, he's, he's, yeah,

yeah, and he makes a call and he does the training of the settereria. Let's I think,

because I see the setreieria. I've, I've had the division of so many years. Well, so I said,

well, so I'm, well, it's he, well, it's, yeah, no, pass

and we we're going and we say no, no, man, it's it's it's

and then he's a look at the book of him. And I don't I'm

a little camera zoom. And when he opened the and he was like

the well, no, not only so car I said no, I've

to have super entrainado fiat yeah so so we're looking

our our our our our mind when we're When I'm

frio like he is when he starts his his arms and the acone does

the same way, look, look, not it's mama. Ah, the beastia.

But you do you see in perspective and of a repent and we didn't

wait a wait, wait, wait, I mean he has got a with the

animal. Well, we know we're not we're on those he's he's

he's he's he's I'm omitient number so I can

and me just you just you're seeing the vincualation with the animal

the animal that's it's a it's it's it was it's it's

I'm seeing so I'm so I'm so so that is that is that

the shaman is that vinkulating and the animal with the animal with the shaman

I I'm I'm I'm this shaman we're this shaman

we're seeing us the I mean, I said, I mean, so you're like, no. So you're a mom, Cah.

And he said, these are the Nahuas good. Wow. Darach. Tremendro privilege to be able to observe that.

It's a, so, it's a phenomenon very, you know, is very known, but of which

there's not information. I mean, like, as I'm we said in a question, we're

we based in legends, in So when he said, when he said, when he said, when he said, well, is the vinculation with the animal. I said, boy, is the duality. Yes.

What he's the duality. What he calls, Don Juan Matus, the totem animal. Dentro of the concept shamanical and no of the diablero. So I'm going to, then the key is because he got a psyche of the animal. So, the devilero, always he will be a sick of the animal. Okay. And you, wow, boy, this is, this no. Yeah, I mean, I'm

I'm trying right of a form summarily different but it's total the life is a pinche mystery tremendous.

All right. It's all has a whole has a story, it has a fundamental. For that's

we can't get us with no more what what says the people. It's what we're just

we're doing so we're that was a experience of a experience of that we're we're

we're photographia what you did you did you? No, the two us we got us

frios because it was so impressive you're there you'll forgets to get back

I'm going to say I'm not so it was too about the shamanes to know

if we're so we know that's he doesn't no, no, no,

he's he doesn't know, but imagineate to have that wow.

I'm what you what I'm I'm we're we're we're we're

in the moment that we went to shamannes and naguales

well Naguels diabler gave the context a little more more profound and me he says, yes, is that the shamanes,

the blangos occupies of the animal. He, that's, he's, that's, he's,

he's, and then, and then he's, he's, he's, well, then he's, well,

it's, and the, he's, and he's, he, he's, he, the shaman,

the shaman, the, I don't know in what ram he, he, he, he, he,

You're saying, imagine the power of the mind of these quatties, cabas. It's a level of conscience puttah, man.

And ovo. No one of them use no on gongos, no peyote, or no substance that's a sacada

of nothing, nor the sapo or the shingada. Simple and simply simply is the power of your mind. The power

of the mind. Wow. So, is that here is when we're really really of the

the, of the veriders extra-normals, we're going to put it, but vistas from

the angle, how would you know, how do you think of my point of view as an investigator and explorator,

because we're we're going to every year, so I used to get more information. In this case,

you're going to be in the channel of YouTube that we know, agents of the

agentes of the general of the agency Mexican of Investigation Paranormal. It's a chingo of information,

I mean, so, I'll get a minimum 10 capitals, this, this investigation.

Wow. And, and he has of that we have to be a baston ritual, not only

this. We've got the baston ritual of the Brauha Nahualca. We have

this video directly the bro of the little bit of being a and so you know,

or you just is that you can't to be a to be a man, man, because they're

to do the fact, the fact, the fact, the fact, the moment that

remember that I leave the links directs here in the description for that you can

know the work of Antonio Samudio there's that you know that the job

the right is that is impressive the the level of professional

one that one the team paranormal or the team

of the people that they get they're getting the type

person or a person that like you like you know the

got the girl is the really to enter in

those Terrenos is to look really the phenomenon. Yes, to go over the phenomenon

and the different things that are the thing, why is it because it's what you're what's the

thing, it's an analysis tremendous. And no you know, the those

800,000 questions that we did we did you did it's a man when I

go to the other obviously. I said way, how did you did you did you

check it we've we've we're a mar or we we're we're

kiskios all exquisites for that and the shamanes very mad us said you know they're all

it's not we're not not support what we're what we're we're saying wow is that they

they're just they're just to give them to get them a little more there's a year of

years between diableros and shamanes and still still being being

and you imagine when when when you when you say when you say you're explota

all in your head because I think of a of a testimonial of all what we

do you know wow imagine I mean the fact in this moment I think I

think I think it but right I'm I'm clear the because they didn't

not you don't no no no no you know to be to be to do

you're to be a bit a transmutated in an animal as well

like as the shamanes is the animal. He's going to despedasar. No, no, no. No, no.

No, no, no, no, it's in any moment, Susik is of a human. If no, no,

no, he has a conscience, no, just this, I'm going to get to be, I'm going to do that much.

No. If you a diablero, me said, with the top of a coyote, agarate,

because you're talking about you're talking of a coyote of the person, you're talking the comportment

like if was a rabious and that Cambrient, God. You're talking that's going to use his garras

and he's he has got no, those are his those dead, but the power that he does

the diablero to the animal is a beastia. And we all, we're, we've seen,

to the eyes, the we've said, the hombre of the lobo. Yes, so it's

passed for the mind. I mean, I mean, I'm, I mean, I'm a, I'm a friend

a friend a man, a salute. that he said, no, wui, a quino's, no, no, ponlet you

in an crinos. Who, who know, that's about that's a role, go to look, he's a

and he's a man, I'm going to, no, no, no, uncrinus, but

you're saying shaman, that in humans, that you're not you're in the book,

but that's for the episode that I'm going to show, wow, it's a cavern,

no, it's a carrown. Oh, And never you didn't the secret

to be able to confront a one of those people are not we're not we're not we're not we're like

we're like because there's because there's many of the legends where they say no that with arms

of fire no no no no arms blackas that have been in water

bendita no it's a fallacy that's a fallacy that and ohho also

there also a much much a mal a mal a malata and mal

a I mean, the ignorance is Malta, but when it's used in the fanatism, o'clock with that. There's a lot of people very ignorant, pardon, what I'm saying, but if there's much

people very ignorant, that's with the, with the mytho, and there's a pedreading a senior adult-major, for example. No, ma'en, cabron. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't,

I don't, I don't, I mean, for example. I'm, I'm just, you know, I'm just, you're a brouca, well, I'm the authorities that's that they can't, Right. No, not

justice for their own two. The animals don't have any of the context totally different.

And that's what I'm topado with that they got them those lechusas that's that's a

entity of videos there where we have a poor animalito suffering. Pure people people

ignorant but but if does it does it does it because you don't

because you're no, come a bit let's let's let's this community

that this community they're a pizk of ignorance a way, I mean, so the shamanes that I'm talking

are shamanes eruditos in the theme. So, they're not, so they're not, no,

no, so they're not going to the finted with those tonteries. Well, oh,

with that for all your public, because there classic, the classic, boy, ignorant,

that foment the pleasure to say, I've been a gullistas more idiot than a carran,

no, no, no, mame. No, if it's really one he'd

de-destroza. No, he cagged to know, I mean no, I don't

live to get to get in the way, I mean, no, no,

no, I mean, I'm what I'm zero-fiction, so I know, I'm

so I'm know, I'm that I'm energically septicic septico. So,

so, is, so is, and so is. And not only is one, have seen various

in form animal, but not, but not, maybe some Pobolados,

like in the movies, we're going to get, no, they're going to do, no, they're going to be

in form of menoids, yes. But if they're in animal, and you'll know,

we're going to talk about. But, but I insist, even it's that's so inverosimil for me,

God. That I said, me call on the book. And that's that's a cario.

I mean, and not because I'm the grand supremo deceptico, but I went to the

final, to the fifth Inferno of Hiloxing and the Peña of Lobos to look

to look a diablero I'm looking to look a diablero it's impressive and we know we're

we're going to but well that's okay that's okay that's a channel to YouTube Agents

of Nego and Agencia for Mar no no yeah it's perfect actually the record

the rest of the person here's here's the description all the links for that you

don't have to go to get to get to get directly to because the

content that's it's It's very interesting. I know what I respect much and the really I like a lot of because I am a fanatic

I'm a fanatic I'm a fanatic I'm, as a moment today I'm with my master because I'm consider a fanatic not more, appassionated

the theme, I'm saying but really Samudio much thanks for the opportunity for for present us here too

the place to the place to this interview and for all the people that you've got the rest of the social and

thanks to all the We've got to the final. We'll see in the next and then. No,

man. Thanks. It's your house of your house of you. Goodsima on.

The fact is that's doing a good job and so that's an analytical that's the

only recommendation that I do. Informa here. So you have a great reverberance

with your followers. Yes. Muchism thanks. We'll see us in the next

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