EXTRA ANORMAL - Brujería con la Santa Muerte y rituales en la Cárcel | Historias macabras de Criminales

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

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pronounce because if no, you're to top with something that's

more than this night. This night, we we're the

portals where they're that are very different but

that at the same time are unites. The world

paranormal and the world of the crime. Cicarios who decided

to tell their history, how they were to the

same to be and how they're they're with more

than that's even that even that even the

human for this night we a person that

was that was that was and that he lived

the so it Thank you. How family? How are you? Beenews

to an episode more of podcast Extraanormal My name is Pacuarias and I'm happy

to be with all you guys this occasion us a person that

earlier that was with us a person that me really

to receive here in my studio and that I'm sure that we're going to

get to with the skin chinita of many that's that

has lived and that today, he atreve to talk.

Today, we're not quite. 8,000, how you know, Paco, how

you're to be in your studio, many thank you, much thanks for invite us

and so, and so we're going to be graded for the community. Oh, I want to mention that

the podcast past that we have been on you, has been to the most

impactants. Many people were very impacted for what they've heard

those experiences, especially because what you did you were practically a testimony of the

life, how was your experience forming part of a group delictive, what you did, what

you've lived in the times that you were to have to exist, and all the

fear that was being in many people, has been of the things more

asombrose and more scalofriant that I heard. Today, we're to talk of a

thing that that's a lot of what you know that's the first because the experiences

paranormal are present in any any year and in any place. What do you think of the persons

that have lived a experience paranormal in a group delictive? Look,

I think is a pan of the days when you're into the morning. So,

is that as for me, it was like, when of the days, living experiences

paranormal that at the final of the kind of you feel, it's, like,

it's something, no pass nothing, it's moved the chair, so,

so, so, he's heard, he's heard, I'm this,

I, how desiviered to this person, but also, I,

that After that they, after that they've lived here, they said that they've seen in other side. So, are so, are many of the energies that are moving

when you're in racy in the mania. There, there are situations that one, but in reality, no control, no says what is what

going to happen. As, as I said in the podcast past, there, there, there, chiefs, there, commandants that in reality

are so they're so that they're, that they're an impetus to, a me I like the blood, I like,

I like, I'm, I guess, this, how you play as, how, how,

how there's that there one person with other, this, the rivalry of, even,

even, with the same, with the same, this, people, like,

with the people, as we're, we're saying, we're we, we're, we're,

that, that we kept being and it's the anem

and you know that trytel to desaparces all those

those those energies feel them and live us we

get a common for us is common yeah to do

all the days to a maybe to some

more than other I that I'm in a

ram of the mafia and I I see a I've seen a I'm

even even even even even even even how for it's been very easy right

right it's we're we're we're we're super fertes

and they're and they're and they're and they look at how how it how we

when we we're we're we're of things paranormals like the brujeria,

how it's impossible not ligar it to this thing. And is that this is something that's a lot that people that work, the magic, always the client or the clients

principal, persons of a high power, both in the government, as in the world of the crime. Fifate, um, there are situations

that I've has been investigating. And is that really is complicated to know what these

groups do you know, like the protection, pass down desercivids, be invisible, that the

balls not don't to take in your body, not they get to you, that every

operation be an exit. I've talked with people in the podcast and

far of the podcast that have experienced many things, tantos where it's where's

the entire deities as a method to to to

to do to to get their favor and

the santa and the devil and either in

the same santeria and also in any in any

cult religion or sect we we top with this

there there there there there I have heard

in other persons that also have talked about their experience in these these,

the cartels of the maja and they're saying something that you also mentiones these

these or altos seem to are that are like they're that for moments

are people are people and for others and for others, it would be there's

testimonies of persons that said it's that is that tranquil. And even

even even even even with his people. And of

so I'm that I'm a cabron tralal I'm so that's he's he made

the chamook and go yeah that's what I'm my to me to my

my and my even even we've got we're in five in five quarters

in the penal then it was normal that you had to find

the way of the time and And, well, one of the ways was if someone had there was, if someone

had a five, six persons, so, like I, all raided, and being mafiosos, this, being the novel,

at the 5 of the time, and had, or the head, and he was sitting there with us, what, chas, what are you,

and you know, and you know, and you know, and you know, and you know, and you know, we'd be to the commandant,

that we were, that we're doing the novel of the five of the time, imagine what we know

that's what I did. Sure. And we got him but also so could change all the panorama to say there's chamba

there's a head of the and he's a head of and have to have to do the investigation and trytel and even

even even with the television so on the movie that not so us not so much but doing the

investigation and trying to get all the information between between the gulfs mutilations

what what what we did it the tortura tortura total for that could

be able to do the but as it's like, it's like like something like if you know,

like if you're going to go to barred here at the patio of my house. It's like

it's like anything. It's, it changed and see what me say, look,

look, what I'm what you say, the, of the talk of the energies for conform how the

chiefs had their own I'd talk about in the podcast past, how this signor of the commandant Guy, he had been very, very,

he was super devote to a, a, a Santa and, and, so, they were

these great, uh, fiestas, the two of November, uh, no see, me,

I'll tell you, I'm, I'll talk to a story. Adelante. Uh, in one of these, in one of these,

uh, fiestas, I had a, a, a pair that I would and I

visit about the penal. She was there was a family of a

person that was there was we're we're we're we're

a chemical and and we did we did a very

time she I went and me visitable and he was she

he was she but but in one of these me convinced

and I was I'm all. It was like, it was a community, like a city little, and a me convinced this, of

the, of November, to go to see the, the sanctuary that they've been a sanctuary, a sanctuary, an sanctuary,

in a cancha of basketball, of uses multiples, where everyone could go to put her, could put to put her

deidad, that I have a, a, a, a, a, a, a bust of the

Santa Morte, and the I want to put here because this has come up

many many miracles and all this but imagine to do like the

decentessima potency was a lot of chorros of rojas that were

chorros of velas and the energy was the energy

of the great commandants that were that were in the cartel there this

like like so our power in this time, but at the way, this, this, well, in through a ritual, uh, me that was, me convinces this person, we're going to be, I want to go to

see, how it's, I had the possibility, and to me, to me permit you, even to the people that, that he'd to visit, if they'd want to, with his, with his, with the, the sanctuary. And, well, I accept, Well, and, let's, for

to see you see, look how it's here, but in that's a minute to make

a photo. A me took on a photo in the of there with this person.

This, pass the time, I go out of the penal, I'm, I'm going

to be a little bit to come my life with, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, person, this, and I'm going to the relation with someone else.

And, and I'm to see that I had problems intimous. Okay. With, with,

with the party that had in turn, yeah, out of, yeah, out of the

penal. Yeah. She was to be to hear, that, well, that,

that, we had, we'd, we'd, we'd have an unimidid sanity,

but when when it's more the what's going to one one of

we went to do the world we went to a antro to to

we're to we're we we took a little of

intimacy and I and I and you but at term I

I'm I I'm I'm kind I He had costado in the camera, and

me I didn't know, she was the, the one of the she said, she goes to go to the

back, she goes to go to go to you, you look, you look, you're,

you're just, you're getting a good at the camera, but he said that I

don't responded that, that I was over both up up in the

camera, but that I don't respondie, that's that's and where it's

and where was what I do I remember that I was like in a paralysis of a

dream but at the moment of her to get to get to my car,

I was she was a was a figure a with some

eyes like a serpent and in my desperation I I'm

I'm so I'm put a from from it's but it was your

partner but it was my a And I said, what you have, what happens? I said, is that, no you're you. I go, no you're not you.

I mean, other thing. You're going to, what, what you said? Well, is that you're just being a good. And she said, yeah me explained. And she said, cackete. No, ables. And so, it's to hear. of one

side of the camera like if someone were coming down but no there was

we're not we're not and we're going to the people going to the paths

and very marked as as like if resuguiar at the moment like

like a a a cat or something that that's

that I'm so and he's put a one

me and my my partner that is my

my wife, she always has always had a second a second

for that's and she and she and she's to say, I'm here I don't

I don't I don't want those problems here at the chingada this is your house

here here reina, here what reina is I don't I want any of

those problems. I'm started to come to repend to repend

and and she It was heard where it was a little

little he went to get the court and we we got the two

what what what happened how how how you

did you did you I mean I heard like I'm like you

said then after of that she she she has been

a second said obviously I could be going to be of the

Vista because I know that there's totally the brujery and the

energies and all what had passed but I don't think that me would

have to have to her something that I had something that that we

would to us or to her and she she got a person and me

says that's that for not to let we're we're we're

to talk with we're to talk with this woman A woman

I want I want to that you barra that you see a that has what you

have to do you because this is what we've a night not normal Okay

well well we're we're we make a type of

a little with with with this virgin me makes

a a limpe me put in a hour of fire and when

me makes the clean with the Algodon. It's an

drugon chirurgic of the kind of inquadro complete. Yeah. At the

moment of the limpe and I'm saying, look, I'm going to do

to bring to the two and we're two present. I'm going to get the

goldon but the is going to get to get a completely. The algodon

only is going to the pure cap of the and I want you know

you what you see what you see in the Algodon. He said,

I'll appear there. He said, if you trys something, the that's

something. Ah, because when me he's put in the circle of the

fire, no he put in a chorro alcohol around and he burned

the ritual that he did, and he put more alcohol and he he had, no,

if you trys something so you trys something, it was when he did

the albodon. He prended the algodon, and where he he prended, in instants, I see, I see the photo that I'm took, with that person, with that

woman. With your ex. With my ex. So, it was, it was, it was like, it was. It was, it, it was, so, so,

so, he, so, so, of that photo. So, so, like, like, so, so,

so, see, what, you see, you, I'm here, I said, here is like,

it's like, it's like it's like two people, a woman and a woman,

he said, and this man is like this man, and in that moment, I,

I, see what, what, what, what, what is what, he said,

and I know, I know, I know, I, I know, this is a photo that I'm

when I when I took, when I took in, in the topo. And I said, okay, and who

is this person that's in a one side to you. I go, it's a

ex-pareja that I've had problems with her and I'm, yeah no, yeah no I'm in the

she's my husband, and I have time that I'm, that I'm, that I'm, I don't even,

ni-s the word because we're very bad, this, he said, then, so,

me, I'm going to put to put in vellation, you're, the opportunity that I, that I,

that I, that I, that I, that I, that I, keep the the time,

you have been around a year a little one a year more or less

but in that year it was very difficult for me to me to get and for

more to more to have my party I've had the problem

very of that she was she had she had and we were

when she when she now she she was the that

she helped with the work. So, me I said

that this that, that my ex what I wanted was, that in

few words to be my apparatus reproductor masculine. What? Wow.

I'm made the work, as, like, in, in a year,

but were in a year, but you know, you know, you know, you know,

I'm, you know, I'm I have here for you see you

see you go to the place where I'm and I

see it was a with the with the algodon the the is

so red but the figure of the photo or what was

like was like was like was what was what was so

was more clear Yeah, it was like like if were, like

it was a impression of a, of a plier but but there was

the figure the figure of a apparatus of a productor masculine with vendas

with hos, with stambres amarado and I'm explained and what

what was that this person what I was that you were that you no

you don't have to have no woman. I said, you apply the of the

vengeance. Yeah. He said, but, he said, he said, he'll go, he said,

there's, we know, we're going to see the, see in the relations, but, he said,

how is your spouse, actual? I go, in reality we've been not we've been able to

be together, no, we've been having the intimacyity normal, because, because I

said, because I said, he said, and I he's also you also also

my problem I'm saying that's that you do you all this

you know all this to her and she and she do you do you do one

only so so so so so so so is

that she there she did some he did some

no in them, et cetera, so like the bayon ascent,

we're a while, we've we've been, we've over a little more and we

were living together and we know, we say, I don't I remember if it was

the last the last time, because were various during various days,

I think were seven days in the night that did this and the And the last, me said,

help me, he goes, because battalion to sitar me and that the vapor, and, well, yeah, he did, but me, he grita, what, it does, I, let her, I'm accommodated.

When she met the the bagu-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a- disafforated, very, very, very, alter-al-alter-a. come, come to me, look

what's what's going to go, I'm in the bathroom, Paco,

of his entre piernas salia a a liquid like a chopopote

What? Of your part of his interpire was a little like if

were chopopote and she was super a sustada he was just

he's yeah what's what's what's what's what's very

assustada. He said, I'll a doctor, this not is a good, let me,

let me let me, let me, let me let me go to this side. If you

you feel, if you say, I go, I don't me dole, but look how it's

possible? I go, I'm, let me, let me mark to the signora. The

senior, she was she was she was she said, yeah, said, yeah,

look, is the what's the thing to this, she's one of the

man, look, don't you don't be you know

yeah yeah morning only they're they're to make a barri

to both and there's a little a protection for

that bring you take there those two there have

there are to continue reading the Bible the

the Psalms etc to protect your house protect

to protect all to this this up that's

that that's that's impressive how it that's very and it

is expulsed of the body as it has seen in many these

these rompiment of the of the and and over all

that were test those of what what occurred in this

process so so difficult what what you was

that this was very very For the energies that I brought that photo. Because,

is that what you did you know, was easy. But apart, she kept with a photo that had a muchismas

energies, this, much help to, yeah, the energy, a mal, the energy,

the santeria, energy, all, all, it was very very, so, is that for her,

all set very strong, it was very easy for to make to do you. Sure. And to

do you. That's great. No, fichate that, yeah, that's part,

me, me, you make think much in the work that this type of people

do that's in pro of vengeance because it's, no, you're not you're not with nobody

and I'm going to do your apparel is put and the This is, you do you,

you, you know, you do you know, I feel like, because so he has

to be a person, very very strong. I want to a story, dear

8,000 C, that is a testimony also that us a person that,

that, that not directly was a thing, the crime, but his brother,

he, little, um, they're in an environment full of violence.

His father was dedicated to robar, and, practically this person

that we know, he said that he in the primary discovered that the

rumbo of his life, even the of his parents, was incorrect, and he always

he always made but his brother, no. His brother, that was two years

that he said, he, he always he always he used like my papa. Even my

father, I mean, he learned these bad practices. He said, we're doing to study,

this person is called Joaquin, the that we know the story, he grew,

he's used a career, he was a much much to be able to do it and he graduated with

honor, but me said the detail with my brother, is that he never

never had to the secondary and he and he and he and he was a

malo. A malo, I think robos, urtos, still not directly

to a thing to sell substances illicitas but I know that in any

moment it was so. Passed the time, I said I

lived in my house, I've in a part of the north of the

country. And he said that for this point he was very little to the

brother. He said, and he mentioned, the malas languages just said that he

was a part of a cartel of the north. So, he said I mean

I was to think that no. I talked much with him even in some

point he said he said I could I could start his studios and he

he wanted then he said again he no me said

he's he mentioned that he he said he was in his house

and that they were to start to talk frequently the door this

was like in the 2003 more and he said but

he but now to come the door with a

disperation he I I went and the door

still son insistent I mean, Iro for the pickaporte, and it was my brother, he was he? Rapidly open the door, and I know that he'd be very alterado, he said, he'd be very alterado, entered rapidly to the cerro, me he said, I thought, I thought,

I was like, drugged, or something. He'd been a very hysterical of those times that, for that impression, the air he'd like, and not, no, no, can't talk well, I go, what

you know, what's what you have? And only I'm just a question,

no you know and I don't think me give you. For favor,

no don't say, he's he'll talk and not to the body, he's

he's like, I'm like, you, you're you're you're

you're so you're getting, he's, he's, he's he, he said,

I'm rapidly went with some compresses of water, and I started

to put paignito in the front. Well, it's my brother. He said,

but like delirav. There were moments where I'm and I'm saying, but what

he was going to see? De Pronto, he's like he's a little

so, he's stabilized. He was a friend that's doctor, he went to, he said,

he was he was he was he was a fever of almost 40 grados

and me said, your family is very bad. We have to get a

temperature and apart and the odor that's your brother he's he's too

he's so he then make it so that he says that when his his arm

to start to get a little more and yeah for this point

was madugated he said he he he said to his

brother he was very very so he said but what you

what did what you what you did And he said, to start, my

brother me he said in the malas languages. He me confirmed

that effectively he was in a cartel. And I said I could believe it. I don't

I could believe. And he says that is that is the problem. He

he told like a story of terror and probably you make

that he says that there there that there death.

He's the truth there are things that the death is

many more. He he said to say that

that the group of people and he he

was he his chiefs had some practices very

strange and there there a area rural where

they had some some year and that there

there was like a little temple I said I When I came to

work with it's normal to hear that of this place men and women grittable

but for days for days says we said we're we're talking to torture

to people and giveles coel but I never I didn't why

then they then they then to that that temple to that the world to

which we said, we're prohibited to enter. Only entered two people to the

people who's the apodos. And only we'd see when metian to get a

women or women, but durable days. So, the sacerdotets

only went, they'd to get a person and they'd even, but these people

these were these were used some some tundits some some capuchas

and always that but it was that there someone,

and that this person, this person was made suffer much. He said that a day of

curious he said, but that other other other aicario he said,

he said, no, if you don't know there's because they're going to get to.

What is there is whatever thing. He's that that that's that's

so, so his incredulidad. But, but there who He'd that

someone that's out of there. Only entrable in the sacerdates

and they were but there was that he was a person he said

that he he could he could part of these he was only and he

decided to see he says that when he's going

to be to that he only that only he was that

was there saw I'm someone saw me me

go to see me to that I'm here no I'm

authorization to enter but I've found that this person

and not he was not so so I'm so he went

to that no no person was a statue

but the most of this is that you is that was

a statue of bronze of yeso was a

statue made of Weasos human Obviously the head

was a calaver but not a statue he said he was he was a

statue a a a not was a statue

it was like a but was another other

other but was made with cranes with and

and and pester and Ipest oh I'm so

I started and I said only I just wanted to confirm

that there was in the day the next he took to be

how they were a woman that said but this woman was

but she knew that he he and to the and the

and the other he said it's he's he made

four days grittando and when they was she yeah

but only they they they were to get her in

that moment he he he asks to one of the other he

has a little more of a amistat and he

said cabron that there he he there there

there there something to that the people they give

to they they they they podan the patron

and she she a woman a an an

energy feminine she she's in charge to castigar much better than us and

we're going to the worst he said for him this was like a little I said I'm very ferves

but this is other other level the problem of this person the why was that

was that so so bad because he confessed to his brother that did

something that he he did that he envied for there. And he

said, well, what's what you did? I'm met with with the

daughter of my wife. And I think I thought that no I'm

going to those of those of those of you know. To one me I said,

but the other was to me escaped. And the other was to

say. Yeah got to my house, and I did I did

see, I did you and Joaqu no says that

is that you you put in risk to me, here's my family. But he

said that in this moment his brother he's he's he's he's

that he's he's he's not I'm you so I don't want to

I'm want to say that the people that this look that the

people when they they grittable of a but

they're they're not they're in their in their like

some like mayugons like he said no no

he He said that the people what I said is that they were to

get to get to and they're some those grits desperated and he

said I'm you know I prefer I prefer many times that I

man to me to to get to get and he said he said

he said he's he said he said he said he said he said he was he

he had met he he was he he went to to the kitchen

took a he said or do I do. And, say, it was like four in the morning.

And this type, my man, I mean to do you know to be my man. He said,

he said, we're doing to hear how they're going to get some my brother. My brother,

he said, I don't expect to that these cabrones go. He said, he's

he's out of the house rumbo disconocid. The ultimate that's what's what's did

Joaquin, my is that never ever to see his brother. He

no know if his brother he's he's he's he's

he's and he got around and he and he or simply he not know

he he but is the testimony practically of a man

that he did do a he's something he did make

Paco, Lamentably, even to to end in this ambit you have

to have the feet of plumber. It's very easy to get,

in the temptation is a very much it's more more in the

things that you do you do to do. The start in

more if you have some type of power or some kind of

you think you is invincible that you are superman

that the narco more great of all Mexico knowing that at at the final

almost you're going to have to have a commandant and you you can topar

as you talk about there are people that I know that were very intelligent

and that they were how to do the things but also

you can't find to people that with the same

power they do things that you imagine for to have more power. This type

of ritual is very very common to find those commanders that have much,

much power that for them to be to live is, after all,

if I have to live to someone to get the person, to make a reality

that I do you do, because they're they're in that with that you're

going to live and they're going to do not to do the energy is I think so they're

so they're going to what you did the handi of the commandant Gia

but see right right I'm when I remember when I

when I when I came to in the 2014 there

had much this type of of tortures for the people that

were going and and I took to see a one of the other the ones

I don't I don't remember that they I think it was like to someone

to get to someone a plate of something something but I was

the first I think was the first I think I'm the roundin

two in this time was was, that was, it was the inferno. Because

there occurred all the, uh, all the tortures. There, almost

always there had desvivied, always people, this, people, people,

grittando, soplicing, that no them they're, that they're that they're that they're, et cetera.

Because there was like the point of reunion or like the so I could say the point where nobody

was, nobody did not to the person that were in the manned in that time. That is

I remember very very well that I had two guards in the door, that I'm talking that

were guards not were guards of celadores not the law, they were the people,

they were cicarious. And me they're saying, what on who's what's, I'm going

to bring to this, ah, if passal when when enter, when I'm

I see that they had a person holding. There's there's there's capuos. Agaravas

the employer those emplayed as as well them them were the momias but the mommas

they went about the bunker but those were they were you enrolable

with the emplier uh of piece to a a head and just they were

a orificio for the book for the back and you're They were in the, in the, the, in the, the, in the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, there's a lot where there were two pieces, there were cedas up and above and over, but the part of, the area, and thenes, you could, you could be a, to, actually, to set up, actually, to set up. So, so, you know, you had to set up. because they'd say,

hey, there's the bat, there's the table, or mettle a chingasso. You, you know, didn't know

because the chabot was there, nor why the person was there and you're to do you. Cudadittance. And no.

But, right now I, me, I remember that almost all that was for my madrina,

and pass. And for the madrina, and pass. And for the madrina and, and p, pump,

two, three batazos. And, no, I hear the, oh, and the kejadero, and the kejadero. When I came, well, I don't know that was the madrina. I mean, because, well, in reality, I pertinacy, but I knew, well, the Santa Marte. And yeah. And yeah.

Uh-huh. I know that the Santa Marte also, they said, madrina. For them, it was the madrina. And I, and I, I asked, yeah, then I, I said, I was, I was in the place. and I'm very very astoned with me to be there

to be able to not that I'm going to say that I'm going to oh, I go well,

is that I'm I'm found that they're a, oh, yeah,

so are those are those are the are the are the people, I go,

but every they're saying, ah for the madrina and I thinking

who is the madrina and I said, is a is a a chiefa or is

a commandant out of or I never had heard about about

about the madrina And they say, no, the madrina is the Santa Mewartre. They go, they're going to, they're saying, they're not offering the dolor of these people as a kind of, no, I see, reverence, a tribute. Intre more, an offrenda, an offender

an offender for the madrina. Wow. That's great, no, to get a person, to doffirmation and to that painer that to an entity. And you can't imagine

more tortures that there. I mean, there's there there are not not doing

nothing, it's like just you're like you do more more time to think how to

act, how act and how to make suffer the people, how to make

the people, how to some, there were some, there were some, there

even, even, even, I, didn't, the, the, those

the, the The pain that suffered the people, you can't, how, how's the way to do this?

A, who's, to do you? To who do you? Can't say one? Sure, that's, there was one

that I mean me made a, a risa, but I know that they were the people, the chasos,

the chavos those that were one that said in the vampirito. Okay. The vampirito was, the reja,

it's the reja, it's the reja of the cellda, but you you had to put your arms,

like if were a vampire, you had to inter-cruzs between the rejas

and to where it top are, to the top are, and then you need to turn to

go out of front, like gargola, you know, you know, two, three, four,

five days, until that the head, said, you know, they were, there's a time, then,

then after I had been normal, that I, had been more metidid there, there were,

there just there were, there were, they were, they were, they're, so, without

doorming, without eating, without not you can't do you're so on

how much years, but what is, until the the jeff no those back to

there. Because they were a lot, because they were because also

there was a very pened to robar. Okay. You came over the

hands. When robbast you came the hand antibacterial in the

hands and they perendia a if you catched robing No manches

All all those type of tortures is like it's the vampireito there

I think the soldier think that that's from the militia this

they put in a squadra uh your your head in the piece

in the two feet in the piece and you kind like a like a type

UV inverted okay this and also you're you're

with your front in the piece and the piece and you have to have to

have to do that you're going to three, four, five, 12 hours,

and if you get to go back, you know, a type of torture like,

well, well, no, not more was, that you just, you know,

they were they put in, without and so, okay. They put in those,

in what more sufferer, what more you would be psychologically this,

and physically it was what they did. And, and if you didn't say, well,

the bolsa, this, the boat, the toques. What was, what was, the tortura

more the torture more that you took to see, to be, to me, a me,

me, impacted much the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the alfileers above of the unas, or the arancada of

the of the deados. That, I don't know why, I'm a maybe I, for the

feeling, for the hearing, how it was how it a quivered a bit, to get in a

little, get a and get, and get, and then, clas, you know, they were

like it were a guise of a poe, or a torture also, the kemada

of the hands, the rassas came, the rassas allie, and the batazos

until that you, until that's to you're to

get to get your to get to get and out of 20, 30

bat of aluminum who who's oh, imagine you. Imagineate.

Imagineate. Imagineate. Something of the less light was in middle of the cancha

in time of free and every every hour they went in a boat

of a boat of in middle. In the time in the friasso

there in middle and if you move because you go

to that's that's that's that way that's that way that's

you know that's you know I'm but the most difficult the

the matahongos that also is very common there between the militia

you they they with the with a table with a made

to you don't the plant of the he's that

is very very so I I've heard I've

heard I've heard that is very And that's very dangerous that that they

do that do you do that that's a me me do you do you know what

you want to you're going in the plantes of the feet so and despeas

without salcettines and with the bat or with the table is the

mento mato mataongos and to everyone they'll see in the

to all in the investigation I don't see And you remember, the other has passed that I talked about, that me

did a me did an investigation getting to a population. That demurized a good of time? That demoree a good of time for to, to get a, to, to get my, my

liberty in the penal. Yeah. With what me left in pass, with what they said, yeah, we were with the

tokees, but, they were two cables connected to the light, to the current electric, and these chas for start

playing for not to say, for them for them it's a thing of time of

the time of I'm put here in this part in this part of the actually

I have problems in this part suffer many maryos vertiv

etc I have a like a protuberance here where me put

the doques here some some some some some

to me. After I when when I when I know how time

would be dismayed and I'm they're no, yeah that's he passed mora

the bata yeah there's we get us all the information but

so I see that also I mean like other people that they don't want

that they were so they're receiving a second 120 volts

mohado no imagine you you you revient you Oh, you're redenters for

Oh, so a friend, what, what things so far are the, those that you, the time

there's, there's a person that was one of the stories more large that have got to

and that has impacted much. You want to tell this story? This story is called

the Pacto of the Cicario. This occurred as, like, the deselaces

in the 19. There is a person that is a story of form anonymous and he he said that he lived in

a ranchito very little in Veracruz. This was located in the area of Cumbres, a zone

where it's a zone where there's practically you're connecting with Pueblo. He knows he had

he had eight three, with him were nine and that were some people

very poor, of scarce resources. He knows said that they were nine children,

mom and father, but working all the time. He us said they were

not access but to really no access to services medical, they used they'd

give them, maybe vivian, soverevian and even even lived with his

abuel that was a woman very very this person says that her

mom infirm when they were six years and it's very strong of gravity and he

he said with the mother that his mother his mom he goes to say

I'm going to get because we don't we don't we don't have the money

I'm going to be my mom had a lot of the head and the stomagos

and one day simply fall yes he's no more says

we said we're we can my but, well, he also was bad-pagued in that then. It was very mal-pagued.

Well, no there was a job. No, we had access to services medical. My mom moved, he said, because we don't have the money.

A part of there, I, I, I put it like a meta of that this yeah had to change. He said that

all his brothers, of all, never will forget to his brother Beto

He says that was the brother to the one one that was that was he

he said he said Beto he had he he he even said

my papa all the time he was he was and my abuel

he was let's to get to get a the borrego and say he's he's

he's sack those six and at the 7 those metes and say but imagine

we'd we'd we'd we're in a rancho that's it's

all too over and there no and my man no he's he's over

so and there and so he said where my brother better

and abandoning and abandoning those and he said what and my

brother he he had and he back back to go and me

and my man said that no but why and the

The brother said, Fid that there a woman that was where

where initially at the circle, that this woman was there was

completely disnuda and that he was that this woman was floating and that

he was he was he was going to then my brother my brother never

meant you and my brother was a man was a man was a man

minted. And my abuela he went to get a point of shingadassos and get to the

borregoes to get to go back and say I see I see I see how my

brother he said and I would be with him or we went to we go

we're we're going we're just so so that we're only we we're

but all the time that was the only that was he said he's

passed the time passed the time. They were passing the years.

My brother was my brother and I'm a little bit

that's that's he's called Pecky. Pecky was the mascot

of my man and he said when this woman appeared

to the and said that the little she had

and he said when the person was when the he was I'm

he he was I'm he and then he was she

and the she said one when we're when not they're

kids yeah they're their 11, 12 years he said

that the perrita he's he went to go to his

brother he said he they were going the and that he

called the attention they they were like some some

fogatas they called the attention because in that

then I was that was that was a new cartel

to that zone of the cumbres. He says, no, well, we're going to go back. For our good suerty, well, our perrita

was never, we've got to have gone. There's people are bad, let's. But my brother, Beto he's kept

looking fichamently to the campament. Yeah, says, we're going passing the years, I

did I'm I'm doing 15 years, my brother did I'm my brother of gravity. Imagine the only

provider, the person that was a lot of his family is inferment of gravity. He said that the abuela

was very bad because I knew that was going to go to the same that was going to

get to be the money or no there was he said that the mother said to

pay to the money and he joined only for the and he

said he said that his father obligator needed a surrogia, but that the amount

was totally out of their was impossible for them to have that money and they were saddened because they were

going to repeat the same. My papa is going to get to my mom. He said that the days

passed and his papa and he had needed a syrujia. My abuela

started to all the borrego so it It's started. All right, says, the people,

you know, they said, you know, we know we're doing all the brothers, to work,

and we don't have the money. Of pronto, my brother, Beto,

he said, he said, no, they, he went, and he went to the hours

with the money. And he said, let's, I've got, I've got, I've got,

I'm, for the operation of Papa. And he said, well, like, how did you did you? So,

of where did you see, no, that's no, that's no, that's going to be a important. Papa,

will be able to do you get, they're going, and the brother, Beto, paid the gastos

hospitalaries. He's, I was, so how he did he didn't have a job fissue,

without, where did that's got that? And where the family he asked,

where where did you He's got. What you did? And he always responded to the same. You don't you worry. The important is that Papa is, he's good. And, yeah, the Lord, at the few days, to the

time, he was up. And he's, he's, yeah, I'm going to work. He says, the pronto, I don't know how much. Of course, he went to all the day, I'd go to the night. I said, I don't know what did. He said, but I

had never to have dreams. In my dreams, I saw my brother, I was in the Bosque. And as I never saw

that I never saw that I'm saying I'm in the dream I'm in the woman

was a presentable to him and I had much fear. Of my

brother he said my father my papa he was where you're what you

do you do I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

saying the mother he said with mais to Molino,

he's bet to the Molino of the center for that you're to make

you know to get a for the talk about the first of the night of the morning,

8 to the morning and my brother no back. No regressable?

And if did it the 1 of the time? The chameco where

is and we're we're just we're there's at the five of the

time the so where's what what's what? What?

Nothing. I said, I said, I started to preoccupied for him because I know I know he was always he was out of

the hours and said I remember that I was out out of an arbor at a year to get a

very in the kumbers much more I said I was I began to say I said I

said I'm to asker to my brother I'm I know I don't know what I didn't

unfortunately when I came to the house there was my My father was catcheteing

my abuela was reaganing that's where he said he said

no, nothing I'm found out of me found out of my my father

no goipio and said he said he I'm I said what was

what you you're and I said my man we're going to go to

and when we we're he said my man he broke in yant well

what's what so he was and he he was what

you're what what did you what He said, is that I can't with this. He said,

but what you have? He said, he he had had been part of that cartel.

I said, I don't hear you, he said, he was, he was to start and he

said, cackett you, I'm going to tell. But to you to do you

to be because you're the only to the only to he's the he told

something He said that not was disposed to his papa as his mom. He knew that

if his father would be all all they were going to pass

the man. And he said, Beto heard that in the people was about

much of the devil to give things and that the devil

to do this. And he said, I know why I'm going to

go to where that's that woman, and I go to a pact with with her,

or what whatever's he said. He's that his brother's he went. He said

he was with his perrita. But that this time this woman not appeared. Not

didn't not appeared. But when he was a point to give us the

world, the perrita began to get to and when he was like the

arbules see like and they were like this woman was

He says that when Be that's He was He was about To go ahead of But they're More his Gones and

Descodes to see A's He said I'm I'm I'm I'm

So I'm See how That's And it And it And it was More

more horrible And He was She was She was And it And he He had

Like Dientes in the Ohos It was A Cre Extrao

And this And this woman He He said You You You know

You me mando because you want to do because you're doing talking of the devil he said you want a

quantity of money you're going to but you have to have to give a change a life

a blood if you you're you're going to receive and if no

you will take to the force he said where he was scarbar

there you're going to find money he's like a man and he's

to scarbar with the unas all down of the earth one they were

and they he started and he he found money just what they they were

rapidly he went and so all what we know the problem is that

I don't me I'm to make and this ser me

said if I don't I don't let to take and I don't

want to get to my father or to do or a someone

then. So I'm I'm I'm so I'm and I

said that I'm to work to them. That better they

to me to to to get to to

get they they said okay we're we we're

okay to put you you that's a new

that that he wants to pay and get to go and matal lo if you do you

say he's he's he he said he said he put a shudder the capuch

he gave an arm he was he was he went to the business he was

a client and he said he was to to cry and to he'll

because he's that I don't want to do you my

father is my family is that says I I'm

I He said, and still the Lord me says, I'm in what I can't help?

If the only that he said, I'm don't have options. He's he

took the arm, and it was going, and he went and he went and the detail is that

I thought that I had to all, I was he gave to the devil

to what I wanted, but I think that with that was sufficient

with you, I don't want to form part of them and

me alge and I did my life normal the problem is that a time

and that I don't reported for that I'm demore when I went to

the mass and I didn't get I said saying

I'm going to the car cross that they got

on some they got to and what said because

you have reported and and you He's Sackle

and he He said How he He's He said And he And he And he

He's And he He said He's He's That's to the That's after the

Morte That no I don't Because Because To end I'm doing To be

doing to I'm I'm Pekarone But some areas where no I'm

I'm The Pech the Stomago the Spal And he

He was Larve a D' all sangrand, and he says, and he said, I mean, I don't know

to be my brother so. But he yeah had a rostro completely

of resignation. He yeah, and he was his destiny. This person

terminated the poste that he's saying my my brother

since never was the same since that he did that he

did for the family. Today, I'm in other place. I'm a my family.

And my brother? My brother still there. Trabacher with the man.

No, he got to another. He he he aposted all

for all us and even I'm I'm I'm so I'm to give

the peace and the liberty that that that we

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very difficult, Paco. It's very, very difficult to get, well-librated of that. I mean, I feel a survivor-fient, for how I went. After, how I went, seeing my

life, how I was doing the things that I feel that I'm trying to do, try to do, to alignar me for the right, but it's very difficult, very difficult. You,

they have to aligner all the planets like to be able to get riddened because there only, from you know, and I think

you know, because like me, that I never me did know how I went into a little,

a little more, a little more, that you had more responsibilities, that in an ad, in an arrear

Argohos yeah had a nomina. I, I don't know, I, I, I,

I, I, imagine what so difficult it was because he had much

glories there was there was what I wanted there were women there

this fiesta much power but you never you imagine that you have to

have to and not will be going to be that never will occur nothing

that's that they're going to liberate completely all the and there a carrie

fiat that I talked to hear I took to hear that that is

very that's called the name the cario so I then at

the final, you do you this came in two of two or the carcel

or the death. On the and a person that's out of all this

I think is of great bendicion. They're people who passed on the

trial and that for some, a reason, some motive they're because in

your case, the that's that's to give to more to

million and a million and a person I'm that that was

that was your function, that was your TARA, pass that

voice. And, well, much thanks for the invitation. Because

from here, many people that know that I didn't

know exactly what I had happened, that I mean just

had this bat was in the boat, but not

knew in reality the torture that is to be there

into, the torture for your family, for your

people, how you you know, you know, you know, but even so the change of

life for me was totally a whelco so complete. And, and you know, one thinks much better the

things of, how you're going to what I'm going to do you do because this me going to get in problems. This

these persons, these people, these people not come to join me with them,

No, no, I don't want to, no, I want to apparent that I'm devil, well, that, that's, contrary to that I still have, apparent that I'm very, when, in reality, well, just, all what I was all that I'm not made, but simply me made, how to know, to do the things, for that you serve as well, with more prudency.

Sure. With more prudency. Well, my, I mean, I want to thank much for this charl

for having accepted this invitation. Now see the people that want to

want to see the episode that we have done on the first of and they

want to get to see to be to see the link in the

description it's very much the very much to listen to what you did you

did you because as how we like we're just these

stories that you that experience that you've in the life

we've got of a reality that that still that's doing

doing in all this the sacrifices are the people that

they're they're they they're that's the blood of the

human still even even that with the man not

not it's not not all don't all this

this is the mal in peor the chavos how they're

getting and how and how they're with the necessity to have all the

and not they know and not they've not seen the final that could have been

and I hope that the race, that the people that all those

who are that are that are being that pass in the that pass in the

tip It's going to this with the youths, the chavos, the people

that are in that you can't you can't you know, but you know, you know,

we need to be a change and I think that can be able to be able to get a invitation.

All the contrary, much thanks to Typico, thanks to all the people

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