EXTRA ANORMAL - Casos de Reencarnación y Vidas Pasadas: ¿La Iglesia nos Mintió?

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

En este fascinante episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, Paco Arias conversa con el investigador Javier Sampayo sobre los misterios de la reencarnación y las memorias del más allá. ¿Son reales esos recuerdos de vidas pasadas? ¿Podría la Iglesia haber ocultado información valiosa sobre el ciclo del alma?🔍 En este video descubrirás:Testimonios y casos documentados de regresiones que revelan vidas anteriores.Cómo funciona la técnica de regresión hipnótica para explorar memorias más allá de la muerte.Análisis histórico de las enseñanzas de la Iglesia sobre el alma y por qué surgieron mitos o silencios.Reflexiones sobre la posibilidad de un plan espiritual que trasciende creencias religiosas.Si te intrigan las provas científicas y las experiencias paranormales relacionadas con la reencarnación, este episodio te ofrecerá respuestas y preguntas que desafían la fe tradicional.🔔 Suscríbete y activa la campanita para no perderte más conversaciones que exploran lo inexplicable en Extra Anormal Podcast.

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regress yeah they're so they they're they're so then

they're so they're in front of this life and they have

she she she she she but like all

but kind of like so like like analyzing the

things and in one of these occasions when was

he said the question I not I'm I

I was my cunyada. I intent to pataliar to to go to the surface. And when I'm when I'm when I'm going to the surface I'm agarro air and the first what I do is bolted and the first thing is that comes

some mandibulas enormous and me parted for the middle. I was of the amygdalas but more than that to them don't know they found something. And he had one he said a phrase, is that here

was where I they're I say, like, all know, that's about that is the

man of that's a little. What are you My name to be welcome to a one a chapter more

of a podcast Extraanormal. My name is Pacuarias and I'm happy to be in a chapter for all of you today

family I'm content because me accompanied a person that I know the year past in Merida

Yucatan and today I'm I'm content that so many of the talk Javier Sampayo, how are you?

Hello, many of the thank you Pico, for the invitation and yeah, for fin, we can't quadrar

and yeah, we're here, thank you. Thank you. For the people, you have seen different podcasts,

like in the PEPO and other projects that are in internet, but for the people that you're not

first, we can't talk a about you, about you, as far as your networks social?

Well, well, in when what I'm I'm dedicated to to realize therapies of hypnosis.

It's called the technique that we've made a mnosis solistic. Because it's a therapy

integrative. Not only we're not only the part mental, reprograms the mind, not only the

part emotional, but also the part spiritual of the human. So, so people who have lived

experiences paranormal, that's in what we know we're in what we know we're specializes,

like, attacks sub, the MIRT in the night and that type of things,

sure, we're always from the normal for the normal, from the

we're from a perspective scientific and from a perspective that we analyze

all, not just that's that's that's that we see, we've

all of a perspective that englob all the part of the part of

the for precisely to sanar to a manner integrative to the

person. So, then I've more of 10 years deding

me this and well I've got a channel in YouTube, the latter occulted radio TV, the expertal

of the Matrix, that you're there's a thank you. I thank you. I thank you. I thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Well, we can't find in Javier Sampayo.com. There can find much more information.

Okay. The academy because also we're doing the course, we've done diplomados over the

hypnosis, what I do also the people can learn to learn and, well, for the

there is there's there's there's all the information. Oye, the

time that we have this night is a time that has a lot of the program about about about the

reencarnation. But mention you something that made a really, you know, you know, the people that

I like much about about the thing of the thing of the druggeria. Only

like a question rapid, how, how can get to get to get to

a solution a thing of a druggeria using the hypnosis.

Sure. We don't we can't counterresting something there are people for that

they're going to me the most the person that's because I'm because I'm my

resource. Okay. Yeah were with the doctor, yeah were with a specialist

and so they did their resonances magnetical and just did those

examines even even were with the pastor with the sacerdote and

they were with the chaman and then they're coming with

me and and when When they're coming with me, one is, and you, you know, you know if you're an expert in quanto to the thing of the limpies. One person, when they

do a limpia, I know from a perspective, like if they're spanting the moscas. Okay? So, you know, that's the way, you're going to be spantinging, your campo electromagnetico begins to bring again, because you're still limping. But the root, of where, from

your campo electromagnetic is the heart. Meanwhile, that's so no, it's So your campo electromagnetic is to start in that vibration, in that frequency, and will attract, not necessarily to attract, but if it's

susceptible to that type of attacks. So the people that are, we're going to me, we're going to the root of the problem.

We're at the reason of the situation that's happening. And not just is to make a clean from outside,

but it's from the inside. Okay. There's there's a transformation, there a comprehension, there's a problem, there's a

question of the person elevating the person, elevating, and then is that we can't run, both the pacts, contracts, druggeries, or situations that that person

has made to same. Also, we can't understand that there are pactos or contracts that are conscientious, that I consciously

do, or pactos that are inconscientious, that I inconsientement it. Like, for example, a difference is that they invite a

person, I know, the bestine, you say, you know, it's, they be very fruged and you say, oh, yeah, well, I know, I know a senior that's a limp, how do you, come? So, how I'll get a limpia. We're going to, we're a little, but, well, the more, he's adoradoer of

some deidad, no? And, and he'd be that you inkees, you need to, you pick a little bit, you put a little biter, and you do it, and then probably maybe, there you you just are doing a contract probably

of a manner inconscient not it. No, it was your intention, but you're doing.

A person can realize a pacto inconsient at recurrying to the druggeria? In what

you consideras that you did you did it like you you're doing a deeded or a

energy, you just you just doing a point. In the the moment in that

you're you're doing a petition to you you're doing a pact

with that with that entity okay In the moment in the that you're you're you're

asking a favor in this moment I mean me cause a impact too much

and much doubt because there are many much bruchos chamanes and as you want to

you find for example image of San Judas and they find the image of the

Virgin of Juquila but also at a one they're a lot they're

probably on the probably they're a this is that this you know, no, no, I mean, I think I, I'm here, I'm a San Judas. There I have a

Santo Niño of Tocha. What happens with that? And also I'm a Jesus, and I have the Virgin of Guadalupe. To have the Archangel, Miguel. That's a a classic, the Archie. Metatron. So, so, I can't do do things of obscurity, but also I can't do jobs of bondage, no? Endulzamations and things of those. No, if, if, if we

We do a perspective Seria we're we're we're we're we're

we're we're don't work for two amos we can't we're although there

there are people who say and so it's how it's how you I can do do you

don't know no no there's like if like we're like I'm I'm going

the America and I'm I'm the I'm the you're

you're you're you're of the other okay You, you decide. But that's

more than more than market technia, so I'm more people of this side and also me get more

people of this side. I mean, they're getting clients for all the flanks. Okay. But nobody

that does dogeria can do do that is so incongruent like you like you ask you to

ask him a mano to that person no. Clearly, no. Evidentiment evidently no.

No, no, no, and no, and not it's not in what he could be so, so, for that's

you know, an entity diabolica, demoniac, or, or negative, no, but,

but, but, but, but, no, no, although to do it,

there, there's, there, there's a, one, a, one, I'm really,

the bruja, you know, the magic is, is coherence, no, is, it has, it has,

it has to be all congruent, it has have in this sense. I mean, I know that

sometimes can sound like with a double moral. How you're saying that the magic is coherent and

then I'm there's other type of coherence like you mention as the other is the

effect magical that that gives to the magic to be to see a question

but I'm I'm going to repeat for the people let the when you do this

these process of hypnosis and as well as We've talked about your channel, that's the recommend

also for that you go to be. Thanks. Much of people carry with a lot of things. Much of people, oh,

no, they're not I refer to a possession demoniac as a lot. I refer to a new influence malignant.

Talves, a tautura, maybe a thing of a general that's your abel, your is-a-

your-a- abel-a-a- or simply you you infest-ed with something, you went to a little

to get to you, you're you've done of something. Something you're in

these processes hypnotical and it's manifest this is known or is known that the people are

people who are different deities, yamese a devil a murder, a

God, at the moment of confront to that or the same energy because also

the person human has this part not we are not we're not part of our

part divina that God does to us, when you confronts, you confronts to that's

how you work? You're in the energy of something, with the energy of the people how it's

how it? I mean to be able to work in any, in a session of hypnosis because I

know I know I'm going to I need to protect me. I need to be in

protection and protect also to protect to the person the place in the place in that we

have been to be protected too. The environment in we have

to be protected also and has to be in a accord or accorded in a

vibration in a good, that's that what what you have to happen

that's that I'm but that not, no, no, not, not,

not, or that could go to go to the entity of the energy.

If needs to express, that's that's that's express, I don't

have any problem. There, there are there are very, very, very very,

and others that are a little more enogamous, a little bit more agressive. But, well, if it's a little, really all the energies, the grand majority, that is, that no are conscienties of that are

they're still, they need to but there are entities that are primigeneas, that if are generated so, from, from the initial, and that are maldance, there's, there's, there are to transcendenters, there, have to retirals.

So, the people, there are people who are, who are with me or that they're going to the session and that they're in

that they're not going to know they don't know they're doing simply vote and when we're going

when we're doing the person when is being conscious of his traumas and is that is elevating

that type of entities could be not necessarily are people are people they're just some people

are the entities that they're in some moment to the person precisely for the

back vibration in the that they could have been been been a time. And, and if

there's a total a protocol, it's all a process. Evidently, we're also we have to be protected. That's also, I mean, I

know, that's also I'm going to get to be protected. If we're to enter into that in that, you first you have to

be protected. Okay. Not it. It's for protection. And apart is prevention also. Yeah,

there's a protection before, and there's a limpeas or purification then. There's a process of protection,

standing there. I can know how is the protection? They're different, it's like

it's like are different steps in those you you're you're going before to start

the session. Yes. Before that the patient get, there, we have to

make a series of protections in the place. When when you get to the person,

yeah when when it's to get to the session of the process,

in the process if the entity so, if the entity is manifest or not it's like, we're,

not always is so, many people are, for, for depression, for,

for, for things, normales, not necessarily for normals. But if it's present,

then we have to enter to the protocol of the holistic, of the spiritual.

So, so there is where we do other series of protections, both for one as for the patient

and at finalize for if a casso it went to to pass to pass something there is a

protocol of liberation and of self-liberation and of the limpeas at finalized okay

that's complicated can get to get to and very a little so extra for the people who

are like familiarized with these processes you were when you said when you started like a

person when when it's obviously he's got topando with different things but passing

to the thing of reincarnation what is your what is your what is you think you

you know obviously you have experimented with your people the person the person

that you do you what you think what you what is that

is that this this this is we can we only we can

we can't we we can't that we We're not only not only the body

physical, but we're not only the soul is in the energy, we're not in the

physical for living experiences here in the planet to the planet system of auto-sustentation,

of auto- alimentation, because there something on the other that's so it's

so it's very beautiful and it is a romantic the re-encornation, but also it's part of

a system of control for that we don't get from this matrix. Now, the

importance of us, to know our experiences of the pastas is supermating important,

that's so that we don't know our past, our experiences of the pastas,

then we know the why we're in the time, a time, moment present,

and we know we don't know then we know the capacity to get the trap

of the reincarnation, how they call the Ruea Samsara, the Trampa of

the Reincarnation and we can we can't for a limited time at

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times? What is the next step? It's a transcendence to where really you consideres that there's a the sky, my inferno, a light at the

tunnel, never never, no I know. A unification, more than a unification because we

we're fragments, we're fractals, we're fractals of almas and we are separations, we're going

to say, the same fount. The actually the Maestro, Jesus, no,

and we were, and we know, that he was, that he was, he was, the of God, but

not just he. We're nothing more he. We're talking of that all, because of the fact, dentro of the teachings of the master,

he'd be to teach that what I could do, you can do, you can't do. So, then it was not the child of

God, but all, because we're allmas incarnated, but without conscience. And then there there should have

a time of a level terrenal, at the level spiritual. Fiatte that this theme to generate

conflict to many people because just just like we talked about we've been in contra of the

system of creencies yeah pre-established no I'm going to mention religions but

the religions that are more predominants in America in Latin America in Europe well we've

we've been a multitude of people people impressive an number impressionate

but of people who don't think in the reincarnation But, with this, I don't say that so, I don't know, I don't have regressed out of the

death, nobody knows. Sin embargo, we know, we have testimonials, we know, people that, in some way, us have done, well, probably that vis-a-viso of what there's more there, or of what there was more, more back, no, in regressions. How was the first experience

that you've had been with a regression? I, well, I've lived the experience of the regression, because I mean, me have done sessions of hypnosis, I was I'm

to start to you start to do this I'm going I'm going to make them to make them to

me and definitely I remember things that normally I don't I'm but of

this life of this experience experiences of my infancy but yeah

romper the veal of between one and the other

is a process different there are people people that have

there are but if is a process is

a different. The fact, who gave to do a much

sustento, even even to clinical scientific or at a certain point,

was Brian Wise. It's one of the of the one of the book the more

known, the most people, I'm recommend. Many people have

aberted, they have perturated these experiences or the spirituality

after after after the book. And this he started to give much sustenance

to the experiences of the pastes that a that's a a psychiatrist,

that a specialist of the health that would to be a manner serious then so

then so then he gave much sustento and I invite to also

to read on Raymond Moody for example he also about about the regressions

to other or experiences experiences certain to the life the SM

and so that that does still more more sustent many people

could have doubts about the experiences of the years and much of what we know we know

is because other people not it but there's other way more than to live it and all

the people can experiment it all the people we can live it if if we

we're we're in a state in a state and we can't

runper that barrower and to a experience of a

experience of Cerebro is where it's where that connection with that part spiritual. But I

think more than than instead of start in some part of the Cerebr, because it's tangible

and when we're when we fallecese that's that's in the register of

there. There is where we when we can't get to when a person

enter in a process of a process of a process of process of the same,

it's connecta and we can to give the salt for back.

Could you say that's like the kind of the kind of like that's

like something. But, something but the records of experiences

of the pastas has has been to be because the thing to do that

all around with all the other and the experiences of pastas is your

register is your energy is your soul all what you have

experimented from your essence and could get to

be to to the people that want to know what were before that they

were in this life? For example, traumas of that I don't see, example,

they're that the better, they're a better but suppose we were back.

They'd be back of the war. An example. They were to see a family.

Suppongamable a soldier that came to the war. For fin after of two

years, he would to be to be a baby and a her and probably

in that passed something that he was to the world

when the person when this reencarned in other person and say let's

let's see, we're in this record where never never

never to see a to his his no, there's

no, so like so, so, so, like, he regresses

there's, there's, there's a thing, there can be a thing, so,

so, because, um, let's, let's, that's Alma he

kept in in in that probably that that happened

that he courted with that you said to come

to get to go and with his kids with with

his and he a situation that then so

and the person not the person not wasn't

not was still still was was with much

nostalgia and much necessity of and and start with

your family, that's a and that it's a bit of a

bad, generate that that person probably not can transcend but if

the reincarnation gets with that that necessity to go

with those people or record to that people

because many many people can live this type

of experiences because the moment of the fallycement

could have been traumatic. I could have been a moment that was in-experated

or for an accident or for a certain circumstance that, for the general,

not is natural, that that is that is that is that experience of life

and can be that trauma, that that that a

bad vibration to to this life and how

no has saned no no repor what I had to

do, or the mission that had to do or the I'm not I'm in, so

then it's you have to repeat. Okay. Fiatty that is complicated because

many people even there a, not a theory, but is a hypothesis not of

that the people who make a mancha or a mark of a mention,

I mean, this is a hypothesis that is like you can't you know, how they

did you did you did you in one of those people are people who

make chitats or with cicatrices, like in cicatrices, but what are in your

life past? This is real? Well, well, according the investigations that's made of

the doctors, of scientists, of psychologists, and that have done have done regression to the

pasted to these people, and these people and these people, do you,

do you do you can't, I can't, I'm going to talk, for example, a one,

an experience this is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, this was two

years, and is a doctora. This is a doctora that she has a not it's not that prescient that the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, she can't, a, a, a, a car or, or start, for example, to, uh, uh, a car or a cameneta, in where translated a perro. She's

SOTOM, I say, something, you know, something, it's, it's, it's,

they're in the ambient, no? And so there was a man, ah, well,

yeah, well, yeah, but, oh, so, it's that, she,

she, she, she has, she has, a manner nat, of the perils, she didn't

because had a phobia to the other, so, so, so, so, no,

so, no, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I,

that has to have to be with the hair. She has she has two cats and not have

any problem with the cats. So, so I mean to have to get to be with the

because the cats do you doltes and they are much and they're all the

thing. She, then then me says, for favor, is that I'm

just that I'm evidently I've affected but me has affected in my work,

because yeah, no, no, yeah, no, yeah, I don't,

yeah, no, yeah, we're, we're, We'll make the session and she, we're going to to see why

that aversion against the perils. And she see to see a same. Well, see this scenario.

Be that that's like in a species of a chava, a space of a cabna, a house, cabana

an where she there's a feeling that there's a feeling that there's that there

a man that is like in a kitchen and that's preparing to a something,

I'm I'm going to how she's how she describe, me say that she

see to see a same but that's a baby. It's in the piece.

It's like in a kind of kind of in the piece. No, I was in a

house, I was in the piece, in a canast and it was being arropedita, not.

Stando there, the mom was there, no, there other

person only was the mom, that was yeah like cooking and he

was not he was putting attention and and the way the

father not was he and we were a kind of a space of a

and could have a mackes I'm the madera there

there were per peros coyotes and animals around

we're talking that they were in the one of

those peros or coyote enter coyote Wow. Be a little and,

well, with the ozico he, he's, he's to get a, to get a, a,

halar, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, he,

he, he's, there in, in, in a part of the door, or,

of the, of the, the, the, of the, the, the, aghara and a

and a he, he, he's, like, like, to be, of the

the part of the the She has to hauled the sack the

car of the car, he gets a certain and standing there, standing there, well,

yeah, he's, for the coyote, for the perro that the dog of

that's a food, and then then he starts to eat a she, he gets to

eat, he's, well, to devorar her, no. And, and act

segued, she transcends, evidently, her own, your alma, your alma tracient, and there is where she

does a count that she had a mark of the nacement in the nucca, and of

there is where she has done a conscience of the because that aversion to the

perils or to the canes. No? Because fallece of that manner and

was mordida in this part to be to be to be to be

a sort of so it so so so he

passed quadro so imagination but for her that

that experience we we did we before because

that that that so so we so we

so we she now now now we let

say see see and perceive and the perros, but yeah can

be in a place where there are a person. It's a totaler, no. Fiatte that this

that I'm going to talk to never have said, because, I'm going to say

who's the person, because no me did the authorization to tellt him.

He is of Guadalajara he's a friend, he's a person, but the time that

me he was he had a manchita in this part of the of the 100.

And, well, all this, I said, oh, it would that would be a regression?

And he said, but for what? For what? I said, well, not, know, not is that

it's not that's like, but to know to be more to be more for the and if that

manchita has a significate, no? Mm-hmm. I'm did to be like

for a year and when I when I said, this, I'm said,

I'm to tell to tell to tell to what? I'm what you did you

Uh-huh. Fisted, yes. It's like five months that went. And he was I

very serious. He's very bromist and this. And he he's, he's, he's so

he what's so tell me. Very serious. And he said, you know, you're a

reason? Yes, he has a significate. And he said that this what he

said, it's a sound a very very in the years 1,800

almost getting to the 1,900 more or less and that he lived in

a part that not exactly if it was a country of

Latin America he in that he in that life was homosexual and

from very little suffered maltrap for part of his

parents so for part of his dad who he was violent and all

the time he humiliated and he called despectively for his preferences or for

his orientation when he is growing with this thing of this security and when

he went to the secondary and the preparator then he said I see I

saw this this all this he was this trance in this form

of hypnotis of I'm I'm I began my my and I

And when I was I in my house me said when no nobody I put

the vestiges of my mom and I put yeah certain accessories and a

day my my father me and he started to and me

and he began to and at the grade that I remember

that me I became inconsient I remember that my

my father had in his quarter, a arm of

fire, a revolver. And I remember that he was a person that was a very,

he was a person, and I'm really, and I got to recobrar the knowledge, I went to

his court, no, nobody, I knew where I sawed, and I

myself, I proceeded. And, and I said, when I said, I started to

And he started to cry much but so muchiss so incontrolable

I'm and he said I'm sorry with that sensation but I understand

where I was that manchita that I had in this part of the head

so that you think that's that book club on Monday Jim on

Tuesday date night on Wednesday on Wednesday out on a town on Thursday. Quiet night in on Friday.

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although it's difficult, very probably for him it was difficult to have entered in that process of reincarnation because he he's auto-fun-

so, so for those people that they're autofunan van and they're in other process surely

it's been for a very very well a rato and well well, well well, well, yeah

yeah, he's regress- to the road that when when you when you

when you it's like a three years? Like that you're in the limbo like no

a moment of saying you're going to you're going to you're going to do you? Exactly. No, not

in automatic because when we when we're we're we're evidently when we understand

we're going to we're and that the energy depends of the state both

vibrational as emotional in the we're when we we're emotions is equal to

energy so in what emotion fallacy this person for that for that one for a person

so in what vibration in what emotion is there of desperation of depression of fear

of fear of evidently much courage so so then in that in that frequency

that lens or so back you placatelas then So your energy, your camp electromagnetic

evita that you can't transcender in a manner automatic. Because the same vibration

you make to get to here. For so many, you're you're talking of those.

Fantasmas, right? Exactly. You're talking of those phantamas, of the spirits chocarrerer,

of the of the animas of purgatorio and all this type of all this type of

phantmas those are entities that very probably not know or how they're

or they're and then they're there's that's that a person simply

no see a medium or something like that does that that form to transcend and they

and they and they and they're they're and they can get to sound very complicated

no and still just a bit no see desperante to be or

or you know that's been that's been many times here. And you

have repeated like for a exam, no. Exactly. Until the

moment of that you you know to you know to be a lot.

Now, yeah, of a case, um, that that you can be

to get, I'm, I'm, I'm, the case of Sumitra. No, see if

you know has heard, no. Sumitra, normally when we talk

of people that sometimes sometimes sometimes we've we're going with

children, or in the majority of the occasions, children, three, four,

that, so on that they're to start to be, they're and they're going to

their people, they're saying, like, you know, you're my

father, you're not, you're my mom, but the case Sumitra

me really much the attention because a she's she's

but at the 17 years. But what what what he has with her

I am because not in other in other other cases

but until that she is adult she has a because, well, to give in a part of the

India. And she, at his only 17 years, they're with a person but of these

those matrimonies that are arreglars, exactly. She's going to live with the family of her of

her husband who were too cruel with her. Yeah, she's she's a and just

after that's the he's he and he's a case

in a state of after after the first of what he was he had

the he said to know that he said that he was up the

open the and he got and so that could do that 30

seconds or could do do a day entire a

a day entire and and it you can be These lapses

were so aterrador both for his marino as a family of his spouse

and for everyone. See her in that state was a supermently terrible

was it was a manches scalofriante and there there was a weird

in those trances she began to talk but for the people

that were with her about things incoherentes. No, it had a sense what he about,

until that one day he said a phrase, I'm in three days. That's all

the family, to all the family, to how is that you're going to be to do you, manches.

And the people, then said, that was a lot, that there was a problem

mental, no see, et cetera. But when they're the three days, the prophecy

the prophecy was complete. But no terminate here. They're in the

three days. She's doing his activities and she disbande. Deja to

get to respirate. So his pulse he has to be present literally

literally if she die. The family is debasta because

he to let a a baby a little his his father

all they all they they when when they

were in the preparations Sumitra regress but when he goes

no she what we're what they're those those those

that are about umitra is that there there was when she when she

when she one of the parts that it was that she was she was

she was not normally normally like she was very She was very, even

even even even to his misa, he was an alphabeta not able to learn,

a primal he was he was to make to make to write to give his own

but when she comes, but when she was still, she was she was, but

like all he was like kind of like kind of like analyzing

the things and in one of these occasions when was like she

said the phrase, I don't be Sumitra making a reference that was not the

woman that I did he said, I'm sheba Duetti. To do you

what you are you? What is Shiva? Who is she? The people

not said they said that was saying that was like I'm that's but

he said he said to do me me me I'm was

my cune but he said with courage he was

it was molesta and in that moment I'm going to say to gore the voice

that she was like not to be demonied because not they're in the demonies in this

part but they're that they had some kind of a malign or something

not precisely the word demon to that I'm to go because for you

don't talk much of so so. So in in this

moment she she started certain questions that they

did a She didn't see read, not she was to read, she would be to

write, was a alphabet, and just he was a man, and it was a

different. This woman wrote, read, confluencia, so he was made, flue

very well, at the moment to do it, his character was a very different, not was the

woman called, a smitha, for the contrary. It was kind of kind of

these empodered like these women authoritaries, no she I was just a mangoner

for the people or the people, or more people or his sueger no?

So, for nobody. So much people started to have this

type of kind of conflictos. The news started to be really

really in the people and what you think he's, he goes to the

real father of the father of Shiba. The woman did

and existed and existed some years before that she nacer

because this is what he is what he is what is what when in this

moment he gets to get to the house where is Sumitra who is Shiba

he gets with an brother or a son of the son and when

he she comes in tears in the and he he starts and he

he said a lot of things Firtes of how It was Well, first that he was

Well, first Like, no, I'm like, I don't know I'm saying That's saying That's saying And so I'm

And I'm Mattarone And he And he And he He said And I'm That's

That the story of Shiva When she Sheba, when she was in this plan was very similar to the

Sumitra. Like, La Cazan in these Matrimonos Arrelados And he's going

to live with the family of his husband but she he started to have

conflict with her cuny and with her form of because not a woman

like the because they were a woman very like she like she was a

so I had problems for her form of and in a occasion resulta that it

has been with her and her and simply you know they don't they're they're

they're about to get her way of the train and the family said she said she autofunor

like you say she autofunner and because she autofuna and because she has a an erida in the

head that's like yeah no quadrava with the version of the family but

but as there no there nothing there was so so she no

she had kind of she proceeded to uh to uh

to just no no so no she'd see

now his father in the court of Sumitra and

he and he he and they're trying to get this

case this was in the India and the law

and the court and unfortunately a despite of

the and all what she said not there

not there was there because even the subest

assass and she they still not was in

an era so like other times that yeah passed

100 200 years not here it's relatively between

two and two and six years so there no there so

the process no no continued due to the

but here there also after after after she

she she she she she she she she

she she she she she for lapses long

these encounters or manifestations of this other woman, and then Sumitra if she regressa.

He said the note, says Sumitra recupered part of his old personality, part, but the voice of

Shiva reappear in moments like of stress, like in moments where something that kind of, like,

like, I don't see, the, the desistabilized emotionally mentally, it was one of the

cases more rareos that I have To learn, investigate, the case of Sumitri and Shiba, I don't know, you what opinions of that? It's very, very interesting.

No, I've heard, and more than, the, like, the thing of the re-encarnation, is like, this necessity of this woman that, that

that's vivieder, to, to, to count their truth, so, we'll, we'll,

we're, that was, that was, that was in violence. It was a lot. He washeed a way

violent and so his energy no, no, no, it's there to

get atorated. For some time she got atorada, sheente this empathy with Mitra

because he's living the same experience also. So Mitra. So Mitra. So Mitra

also also also is that in a back vibration because his casement was a because

also was a maltratable, because it was very similar. It was very similar.

So, so so is that there was, like that empathy with her. And when you commentas of that she, like, she had in the eyes, it was, like, ah, like she went for a rata,

was probably, no, I'm going to say canalisand, but so like if, like, if it was, like if it was synchronizing. And then, then, it was the point in the while she, there, was this,

this change of personality, in where enter, then this is this one, and this other sale. And then where is where it's to expresser this other woman,

that is the who fellace using the body of some Mitra to be able to expresser for what

he could expresser in a manner like this type of situations, this type

of situations is this type of cases that not are conclusos or that

conclude in a manner mentirosa and the soul no can

get that that . . That terminate the case and that the people can't be mournged

I'm you don't know you. I mean, I don't say, I, coins. Now,

me het here. And that's what she wanted to express. That was the need to expressly. It's that he said to

it's the ہیںcernation. Mas more than it was a case, you would you like the possession?

A special of possession. And, and the help utilizing the body of Sumitra.

And it's very interesting because then it's a very documented so it's not it's not that

it's not the family of some Ritra invented this and that there's because there

are many are people in this experience. All the people can't investigate the case

there's there's more very brief because if there were much lapses where Iust

much to the people because those trances durable from

minutes to literally hours all the day but I consider apart probably

Sumitra like I know to get that kind of that you might be

additional to be that channelize to that yeah I think that's

I'm seeing a there there there there in

all the area that we know that we know

there there a there a thing the project avatar the

project avatar is something to what you to what you're talking is these almas that are ascended

or consciences that are more evolutioned and that need to come to come here to

planet to to be a terrisar but without the necessity of

uh to live the the that they come in the paul

to do do you do they're to do they're to do they're to what

they're and then a child that's a adult that is formed

and that they need that they need that that's that is transferida and that

this other is included in this couple that so it so it's a certain

point project avatar in when there there people and I

take to attend to a person to a various people to a various

that's, of a doctor. He's a doctor. Okay. And he He's a one of the hospitals most

important in the city of Mexico. And he he said, he, he said, he was

he was assumed in a great depression. He had to be here. He was thinking in auto-funars.

And so, in one of those experiences, he, he, receive some messages and he begins

to practice with a energy or other type of serres. That he they're saying, look,

you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, but we need to

come, because we need to make a message, we need to help, and if you you know

your your body, then then you, your conscience, your, your energy,

your alma, will be to do your body and will be to be

to while while we're, we're we're, we're to work,

we're going to work. We're we're talking in plural. In plural. Okay. It's a,

we're going like a, like a, like a commorality. Yes. We're, we're going to

work from from the light and then then that we've done our our mission,

we're we're going to be in a place where you're going to be a all, you're going to

be a good, very, well, you move. And he says, now he goes, because I

I don't want to be. His husband had died of his wife depression, like you

and all of all that. And he decided, he makes a interchamble, let's say, and

then then they're these and then they're to help and to start to

start to precisely to a new, to come to be in incarnars and come to be able

to be prepared to be to start consciences in the planet and

they're to to this. This person took contact

with me and he told this type of experiences and

it's supermante interesting in this case he still

or those energies still in that mission is

a person that we could we could say that's

a position but not it because a position

is conotation negative in this case is with connotation

positive, not negative, but there's a mission in a mission that's. There are many things

that we're not going to be in a favor, tant as well in contra for the humanity.

I can't tell another case. That's it's very very similar to this that I was

to tell you to tell you to come in a group because for that they're to get

to go to and I want to and result that there there is a

a little that is like in a state I don't perdida is in other planet when she was

when she was a little primary kindergarten primary secondary she had a

life normal had good qualifications had amigas friends and was a

life normal in one of those she she of she had to

get things started to pass experiences different or rare

in the experience of the new year and in the house and in one of those the little the girl and she says

she's a mom mom there will be a time in that I have to

go to go to but then I go to and then the mom so it's

like to see it was a normal I think she was she was

she she came she was in a manner so she without

a preamble like a man just I'll say to say that will

get a time in the I'm going to go to have a day very random. Yeah, I say,

chama you're a where you have to go to go? You're three years to go

to go to get to play, not? So you know, with your two with your

muckees with your two muckees. And so then then it's a time and she

and she disconnected. Algo something to what you comment about that you

that's that's that's that's disconnect and it's like in a kind of a

kind of a kind of it's it's and when it's and when

it's like it's she yeah not is she not has the capacity to

normally she she was she was lastimable she

lesionable she she she Even it's the point in the

she if she saw, for example, crucifical and was they were, it's

that is that is a possession. That's a possession. That's a malignant. And in the

nights he put anambulism umbulism, uh, yorrar, grittar, only maldecia. Yeah,

they've been given with with saserdot with pastores, with this and the other they've

made resonances magnetics, all was all was I'm with her

for that a person can enter in a state of a present. Evidently

has to be able connect to connect all his neurons. Poder to be to be

concentrace something that she still still not so I'm so

with her. I'm I'm talking with her I'm talking about a conversation even

in some moment I go imposition of my Because, yeah they're

in their We're in the house, we're in the cell. And she she retira solita.

She retina like the 20 to 30 minutes of to start with her. She goes to be

rying and and the and the parents surprised me said I'm what you

do you I put to talk with her and I wanted to talk in the

diagnosis but so it is very complicated so but

in all permit or this or the other one imposition of the man. He said,

is that he's he was laughing, but this is something that we've

never had seen. And never with nobody had passed more of two minutes

to be 25 minutes or so with nobody had been nobody had been so.

So this is something this is something for us a total. Resulta that the

little started a little to to get to recover even

the mother was submitted in a state and she could connect

with the essence of her and to be to be to say to your

mom is that my am here I'm here but I'm

going to go to but we're we're to live this process

because because all we're we're totally we're totally

materialistic and if this no, me pass to me, you're going to go to

the materialism and we're going to go and we're going to be going to pass this to be able to that this

consciousness at a level spiritual in us and then we're in the process of that I'm to go to

and then she's the mama know? And then then so well that's just it's like

eight years of that session. Oh, yeah how complicated could get to

to be for you, I mean, probably right not, but in a principle because

there's there's a thing, there's a thing that the devil is the father of

the and the thing, and that many they can inventing this type

of stories like I that I'm like you like you know, and then it's nothing

bad, but probably it's a really, it's really something, but how you can

get to get to get to what you really to know? Yes, yes,

definitive. How? Of each, one of the parts that is that's really important for example in the course

or I, when I go the sessions is to give us with what we we're talking with what we're talking about

conversation if really is positive or is negative to give us so. So this type of

the, the entities parasitaries or the entities negative are obviously are completely

mentirousas are to say, a diestra and sinister. But there certain questions

that we we can do for we're we're we're we're

we're really really it's not it's like in the

exorcism where they're who they give me your name and

and no you know I don't do so so so so

so so so it is not not to know to

know that but if there are a series of questions

for that the people can we we can

we can know of what we're talking. Evidently, the entities negative are, going to,

they're going to, or even they're going to try to not be discovered, because if

they're not that's that's not not, yeah, we'll be about those things.

But if there's, there's a protocol, too, for us to be doing to

know what is to be talking, is the conversation is positive or is negative.

It's something. And, and so, and it's that one of the part very important, not is you

what you see. Sure. It's what you see. What you see. So,

what you perceives? Percives fear. Or you you feel in peace? There's

a phrase that complemented this that you did you did say, take the top of internet,

because I talked about the communication telepathic and much this phrase me enchanted because

many people think that it's magic but not it's magic it's naturalness it's

it's that if we're we're talking about because no is magic it's natural

that's the language with that we all we're the the script said

no you need you need or you need to learn for example I don't

need what you you're thinking because no it's it's It's, it's trying,

that my energy connect with the and my vibration with your, and the message that you can't, I can interpreter, and the phrase, no,

it's not, I'm, I have to say, and this to be a much people, so, everyone, parents,

with kids, or husbands, who are, and there, and I'll give a example clearissimo, I'm going to

mark, but before, you mark this on the telephone, and I said, or markas and the person

and the person and said oh yeah me you know me leased in the mind

of the literal not it's you know it's a it's a discernment in other

in other creencers it's like discernment of spirit but

it's something it's just like you mention it's you need

you need to and to have this and to get this

in the around you to know so I I want to tell

another history my this a much people have to know

and also they're and I'm invite to go and they're

also so their particular I know the case

the the little the is one of the of

this is a reincarnation that is a reincarnation that is

it's and this is in 1996 and four

he at the four years, I had a phobia, I'm a furtis

a when Edward he wasomable for the carl. If he had a kind of

like it was like it were like the the trainos and when yeah started

to get the the year, Edward he was down to the

bed, above to the master to his mom because he had

much, much fear and much they said but the well

the the well the Any child he has a

torment? No, no, no. He, in quite he was he was

he was not, he was a now. A particular particular that

had to Edward is that not a little not is that

was that was a timid no, like he was there

but like he was like he was like he was the more

the things people that they were looking on

a point but But, many thought, is it is a perid,

no, no, like something that's happening in your mind, that's

that's doing probably probably a little, but you

you see just just that's what was with Edward.

He constantly he was he was all the

time. All the time and his parents he

to checkos medics he had of the am

but more than they they they had found out and he

one he said he was he was he was where I did he they're

I said like that all know that's that's about that he's they're

they're they're to get to get to get to get to get to medics

etc and he they discover in something he he had he had

for there he had a problem in his garganta

because he had something like like a tumorc

like a little a boltito that was kind of a little bit of a tumor and that's he gave much a lot of

the family and that's the worst but but conform he was passing the days

and he started again again he said the phrase no no no the water

no no I don't I want but but it so many

going to interpret a man with Nied, no, this had terror,

he was like if it was like the water. In that he was he said,

and he said, said the phrase, the water me a trap- and I was in the

load and me disparated. Then it's when the family, especially the family

that is a sono Catholic, then they were to know that their said,

I said things that were not years of these years, and they're in the

question. At the question, they're a thing that's a time of imagination, this and the

other, but in one occasion, it's said that they were on the television and it passed

like a documental of the first war world. When the the

he was so a loka and he began to say that so is certain, and conform

he was passing images, the the edition. And I said, I was there and he passed this and he gave

descriptions of how was his arm, he said that pesable much, his casco. And the family heard all this and they'd

even know because they'd say, it's a position demoniac and what we know what we don't know, we're

they're trying, or really they're really really is a reincarnation very genuina no know we know, but

every time that Edward about this he quejave because it was inflamable this that he had the garganta

then they noticed that every time that he had been about the supposed life because he

he got to say is that I don't me him I'm James

and he he said he was he was he was he was in the war

and that he was that he's unfortunately he he's he said

he was he went with his people with his people and that and that the

piece so it was a pure land and it's a lot and they

were in a zanj that was full of water and he he's trying

to look to when I went to around there there

was there was a and he was proceed and

here he received he he received he began to describe how

sentia the ball how sentia like this liquid rojo

he started to manch all his and he very spantado very,

well in those moments when he described he said he'd he'd

he'd and his parents no say they'd get a so they'd never

so much so this this soceder until that in some moment

they they're they're they're they're getting when he when he

started all this information before a psychologo, like his papas, when he

he said, cacket, you know, like it, like it, like it, like it, and he said,

and he said, no, no, no, cackence you, let him say, the little

whatever he has to say, and the count, and the little, and the

he said, he said, he was a good friend, that this good friend,

before to pass a better life, he went so, traumas and things

very very he was like looking to a but

like relaxed like so they're to the day when

they they're they're to get to see being the

thing of the thing that he he he's not

he was there no there no no no

there before that he said he said he said a

I don't have to have to start here I can't I'm

and the day the next is when they're they're and they're there's that

there's this surprise to all the community scientific to the doctors

obviously how will disappear how is a a

case a a tumor something of a a new of a

day for another so so there there there's

there some some hypothesis of that The kid had to

let's information had to talk to even he said that after this

it's not that has that has disappeared his phobia the but he could

be sat satidid being the view by the window or the

so yeah these things not were like so

that so so so he and his mother

last the years he no he He doesn't talk

but mention that the repent he was a new to see a Edward

looking to the car and only he had a gargant and like that

that that's that that's my impression much that

I'm too because you can find the information you

can read the not the those the dialogues

real is one of the one of my impression much

like a little of four years and example, one that went to a museum and

he was to describe all what he had in that museum, he he'd explain how was used

certain things. It's something. And, and fifte that there many many

cases of the records of experiences of the pastas, over all with children,

because when we understand this part then this spiritual, we'll we'll

we'll we're, we're these little littleines have they

have been to regress so they're they're they're reincarnate

so then they're in all this information of

this life and they they're in the seven

approximately is that is that more more more more

that some that process and then they can

live this life normal but there some are

these are these tragical, violentas, and this type of things.

So, as it's a chapter, they're all those experiences for here. Because

not, not was terminated that situation. So, the two to zero to

the seven, many, many, many, many, many, many, cases of

reincarnation, precisely are the people are the experiences of the pastas,

So, because they've to return and while not they're going to

say, to say, the stress of the stress of the class, the stress to do

the stress to the things, that if they're that if they they're they're gonna

the guys or things and they're going to and they're going to I'm,

I'm, I'm going to getrised or terranalement so, so. So,

those experiences or records of lives passed are, they're,

they're going, they're and, and so if the parents don't know, they're saying, ah,

you're thinking things, ah, you're doing talking about about, you're doing a

case, and then the little, well, is, well, is, that's living

that process, and, well, so, well, he'll be a confused, and simply

it's just, he's, but if he put an attention, like in these cases, then,

then can get information very interesting. You'll have been in a Yeah, yeah, of experiences

of years of the pastas a and in one an occasion

a a man a a chica came because he and well

in about the phobias the not always I'm not always sometimes

the phobias is that we're trying the experiences of pastas okay like for

example in this case that you said that the jubia no,

the juby. So there are people who like they have seen to the bivores, that they

have seen or an animal that they have been to be to be a lot.

I don't to tell a my, personal because I was submitted to a

a a regression to a session of and resulta

and this was more groupal no. We do a session

of I'm also. I'm also. I'm also. Me

in a session of I don't see if the master we'll send a

general to be a moment in that you your life that's that you that you've

a murder a lot and then all there was a there was a lot

evidently if we we're not we're because we're because we're I'm

I'm I'm I'm in a space of a a kind of like these caravals, no,

a, a, a, a barco grand, Spanish, or Portuguese very

great, we were with uniforms, we were, we were uniformed, like, of Portuguese,

let us rendied to the reign, and I, I, but we were

abordated for pirates. We were abodated for pirates, and then then, well,

they went for the gold, for the or for what that's that

had a value and I'm I'm in 17,

18 years approximately 16 there and well us

assediated and they were and we remember that

in that sometimes was so that was that the

table at the side the barco of the the of

the barco you can you can't for the

table and well, you're going to gorely, you're going to go? And then

what's to be to go? Or you're devoured? Right? So, they'd

to be able to give us some information. I don't have said. Some of not they've been

obviously. Now, let's to the table. Fum. Yeah had been passed

various. And yeah was infestated the mar of the mar of rojo.

Sure. He called the attention of those many animals There are many, many,

tiburons. And, well, then that's that I'm on the table, and I'm, piquettes,

and I sentia the piquetazos standing in that state of the trance, the picketazos in the spalda.

And, well, act I'm so I, I'm a first person, like if were a

video-gue, no? In where I go, to the water, I'm, when I'm,

when I'm when I'm going to the surface, I've gotro and the first what I

do is bolted and the first is that comes on a mandibulas

and me parten for the middle and there is that I was that

I had that I had precisely the tiburons I had

a a phobia that I could have a image of a an

tiburon not that not that could not not even not

could be But not say with the book abier that's

practically I'm pretty I'm probably to get to paralyzable. Yes, practically

me could be able to in that moment and I think it was for having seen

the movie of tiburon. Mekalodon less. Menos no, those

movies I don't those I've seen. So, but well,

well, well, the there is that I was that I was that I did you

because if you you make of that you understand from where

the way to support that and, and, well, the way my phobia and this I was, I don't know

me to tell. And to a person that I attended, okay, this person had a much fear to the water,

much fear to, to hogars, to, to agantars, and I got to something,

no, how it's going to let's let's see. Entre in the state of

transse, we're in our normal. No, there nothing. Very well, let me go, well, let's

let's see. Where your fear to the water? Where does your fear? There's where she not me

had commented that she had been that she would be undia and that she had aogab

and that had much a lot of not just not just about with fear but because

she's connected. And here And here here a thing like

a question because she remember and me to say to say

I'm in this place so where there technology

where there light where there a symbiosis between the

technological and the and the and the I live so and

me I'm I'm I'm I'm in the Atlantida and

in the Atlantia. Okay. And what's what's what I'm I'm here I do do this

and I do the other and I know my my family are in that's in

that's in that and right I go with my family but

there's a time to start to start to start to move

all so they're to destroy the the the

edifices, it's a, a, ascent to the earth, and he's to be a water,

because they live in an kind of an island, no? He's to get

the water. She desperated to go to her mother, to the house in

where she lived, and she he, she, he, a, to start

there had to him, they were a species of a tsunami, she

he was a session, that these holes gigantes and gigants and giganties,

she what can't say is that they're to get to her mom, but the hole, she was,

she was to get, she was she was, she she, they want to get

to the hands and no, no, no, no, they're not,

the force of the water, but they're, and be how, how they're getting from the

one of the other, and there is where she is is conscious of that

that's a hogada no abogated being there so he said he's

comment that there's that's that comes that's that comes his fear his

his trauma fission I think I'm a few times

I've said in the altures I always I've always

I've always I'm I'm that I'm in a little

and when I'm coming it's like you like I'm seeing

in a first person and you see the sensation of how your body

is the whole and when before that you see that you know I'm

a break a breinco tremendous to get to get to my wife because

well I don't no no no no no no

no I'm but I have a lot at the heart at the

very really you think if in some moment

if I get to practice to practice to

practice You'd you'd do you? I'd like so. I'm like very indecoroso

but I don't know I mean I'm always I've always I'm never I'm a

question but but if I'm not you don't you know if there's

a little of that I'm a kind of I'll forget no I don't so then

so that that result that you just that I don't get to get to get to

a vehicle or something or I'm something but the intention is to resolve

of that you comment is of that phobia and in many occasions these experiences of pasted or traumas or traumas that were generated are presented as like

as well as the dreams. And is that's a new that's a new literally, caer, and I,

and I don't tolerer the altars, I feel that something when I'm very, very, very,

but I'll say something, don't me pass with the aviones. Okay. I don't know why

with the avionnions. I can go to look at the window. There's no nobes,

no pass nothing. But when I'm, for example, in a little and I'm

a little, it's a horror horrible. I mean, I feel I'm really, I'm really,

it's a pyrty. It's a bit of a sometimes, even, even, even, and even, and

I'm, so I'm there, so I'm there and there something. Well, you want to you want to

you want, let's come the chismecito to the people if you pass something there

we're going to start documenting there's a man, how you know, excellent oh yeah,

thanks for accept the invitation. Thank you for having implement me, the theme

to reincaration is a thing that that's a thing that it's a thing and I do I

do I'll say abertament to much people because there you know certain

certain certain creences pre-establed that's no, well how it's

how how, no? There there And there's a phrase that if if there were

all the time the same number of people but not we're always the phrase not always

we're always like having overpoblation et cetera so there there's many things many things

and however there's the case of Sumitra the case of Edward the cases that you

are also you're studying that's doing with the people that you are doing many

many many cases that not are documented that are and I am

I'm sure that in this podcast there are also cases and the people are living for favor to ask you to let me in the comments,

what interesting would be to learn those cases that not we're going to find in Google or in chat GPT but there

with you know with you know with you know that family that if you get to the final for favor let the calaveritas

because so I know that's because I'm you can't repeat to the social that's so amable much thanks

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