EXTRA ANORMAL - Crímenes Causados por Demonios | El Lado Siniestro de los Crímenes Ft. Vilma Naranjo

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

En este episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, nos adentramos en el oscuro mundo de los crímenes causados por demonios junto a nuestra invitada especial, Vilma Naranjo, experta en criminología y grafología. Vilma nos lleva a explorar el lado siniestro de los crímenes, revelando cómo lo paranormal puede influir en las mentes y acciones de aquellos que cometen actos atroces. Descubre casos donde la influencia demoníaca ha dejado una huella escalofriante en la escena del crimen. Acompáñanos en este episodio lleno de misterio y terror. ¡No olvides suscribirte y darle like si te gustó el video!

They go to the domicilio that this person anonima, detiened a Paul. And when they're detain, he confies to be the assent of the balsas. Okay. What is the terrible of this story that we've heard many times? Well, that result, that Paul is that technical, of the hospital, that had been contracted by the director of the exorcist. Claudia, in the moment that she does

know that one of the cuchillos with the life of one of those of his children and then the pure navagia is the cutando

she decides to go to the kitchen, take another and he regress to terminate what he was what was doing.

With the the monster of Atisapan Filomeno was the bigito most adorable of this world

but for me and look that I have studied I've studied as my men

cereals I think is the most malo the that

the more terror me has done BORN-BORN-BORN-BORN-BORN-BORN-BURT BORN-BOR-BOR-BOR-BOR-BOR-E-LIN. What tell, am I going

to a one capital more of a podcast extra anormal. My name is Paco Arias

and I'm very happy to be here with all of everybody today. Today

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that has been very has been very very has been many

of many people of many investigating and scudryneying grand part of the oscuro that

can get to do the person to make with me, Bill Manarango. How is that? Very well. Thank you.

Well, much thanks for the invitation and thanks to do this possible. Thank you. Thanks for accept the invitation.

Before to start, I'd like that, for favor, with the people that is to

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Billman Aranjo. As you comment, I'm peritographosophopa. Also, I studied criminology and I did a diplomat

of the analysis conductual of the personality. And I do courses to to show to the people to have this

type of tips to be able to protect and to be in others some points of danger. Okay.

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were talking about a moment about some about some some of some of can get

to get to be seen. I think that can get to be different points of different points of

perspectives, perspectives, creencers, much things, but what is what is the siniest

and the that I'm sure that can get to be. In this the way that he's going to tell us what has been of the most

of the most of the more to be, well, there are many, depending on as,

as you, the point or of where is an investigation. I have realized investigations,

and in the area of graphology to What is what is the scrivient and the why iscribe or how is communicate in basis of his words?

More than to know if the personality of an artist, things that has proceeded, I think, a little, that that, but we we're more than

the personality, the motives or the tendencies that have. I was, yeah when I was turning the career, I was with the equipment and

we did an interview with the abogada of Diego Santoy-Riverol which is the Latino

of Cumbres so that he's in that in this case there's there's

some questions that can repeat or can repeat it actually so I've seen

in cases more occurred in Mexico where it would that

there there there a factor that has that the

people those criminals act in a form. A little bit

about one of the cases like the monsters like the KTPE this

other, me seems that's Claudia Mihan so, so they can generate

speculations and so they're getting old, because they're to present

things that maybe for the audience could be a question more

than in mental we we're a little about the

thing paranormal no the is topado with something

in this trajectory? First, I think we have to identify that there

there are also various types of criminals. Okay. Those that are formed conformed the

life that have been been to have been of abuse, have been of violence, if the

environment, so the people, can't integrate correctly to the society.

But, but for other other side, we have to have certain

people, certain criminals, like you those you, that they're

something in this ADN that is a set like a detonator, yeah

say their so entorn and they're not that are that

not so destructurated then we can see that there are those acinos

cereals that they're called the chalelelons, all those

those those are in miscruid in the society that have

they're that are that are fracturated that have families have

children have businesses, but they're in this light obscure where nobody knows perfectly what they're even for

the own families and the own authorities is absolutely impossible to believe that these individuals that are functional

have been so corrects not? A year we us talked about a case so I'll go to tell

rapito of one of the cases that I'm that was a person we're going to put in a group social,

a little secret, where they're unen to share information, because at the final of the point of their method of them is to share the knowledge.

And there was a person that is part of this movement of them, but this person was a much interest in in, to know,

in getting much information, but at the grade of he was devoured books, he devoted books and

in this organization of their infrastructure have the part of a bibliotheque with the scriptures very antivos of people that in their moment pertenceion to that movement and had their practices

medias oscuras but were of years, many years after. And this person obsesionated by the buskia of that the information encounter books that have to be

with the let us, let us to take a kind of ritual for that the information

that's not an information that's not a information that's done by

a type of a deed of so he a person father of family husband

a good job family family a pretty but he was

disposed in some moment to get a time

of sacrifice for to have that information that

he What what So, what's there is when he priva of his little,

that he is a little of his his son, he was to do it. Fortunately, they've got

to get him. And it's a person that he did he in the carcels. But to

go, when mention to the camalions, that are those that in

the society can be they're not can be the person,

could be any person even can even can be your

person can be part of your family but you know

the practices puras that could get to get to

do the to be any of any of a question to

let's talk about a little to put to what are

these individuals and the why or how act

and a psychologist mention that there a triad

of those as cereals that those that are

talking towards animals then they have dysfunction they

get to urin in in his coma, a age

important where not they're to do you even there

are on a fire no. But I think this

was perfectly well interpreted and this not doesn't

much Vincent Garry that is of the most the

world is madril and he he he's he

to the psychologist with this psychologist that many of the

psychiatras many of the psychologists was They were based on this to be able to identify

certain psychopathies. But it result that now we're we're doing and we're not going because

they're doing this base of that that we're that we're that we're people who if they're

people who are we're in a sensual as a serial, like an individual that no has been

empathy, not for animals, nor for their family, nor for his

same. Okay? It can be a man, can be a woman. But it resulta

that is they're doing, they're involved with the family, are good

fathers, even even know they're so they know that people like

they're not to get to their families. So, so they're perfectly integrated,

but also, they're close of the places, as you, that they

can bring this emotion, this this frenzy that they need. So, are members of

the community that are in the policeia, are present in investigations of desaparces also to

know that the police can be to know of these cases. Okay. In the

time of the 70s, in 1997 it, he commenced to film the

movie that I think will runper with all the all the all

what would be the terror in the world and is the exorcist. The producer is a person that he

incant those details. Necesses. That's all quadre the sonnidos, cause effects of moment for that the emotions

are realaders, that the conducta be a true, not are not actuations and then

then decide to contract to a technical to radio of radiology for that in the scene where

this young is in an hospital and they're making some encephalograms and result that this technique is a technical

that is a university of New York Okay he he does does all the gravation

this person knows know all the instruments, all the machines for what the

the producer and director of this movie, well, he'd encaned in the

years. It's only in 1973, the film of The Exorcist is, well,

the people out of the cinema, it's dismayas and with crises nervousas.

But I think there's a story still more truculente and still more

more more more infirm than the own the same in the States United

in Manhattan, what is the Rio Hudson they're they're

in quorum. Wow. This nobody know what is going and

resulta that they're to disappear members of the community of the

gay. Okay. Well, in this time unfortunately there was all

this homoovia where not they were not the respect the rights of people

that for me, so are equal as any people every person. Every one that can love

to the way that that's but in that unfortunately to have a color

of a different or pertenser to a community different the police was the

had these and not they were overpassed and not buscabed to the people

and then the families said that their parents his friends had disappeared and the police

what he had was not nothing. Well, it's a a producer with the producer

of the exorcist and he says, fissionate that I'm a very impressive people, there are

people that you see if we're a question, and he says

the fact is that in this moment with the exorcist this has been

incredible, not I don't I'm for the moment with those projects

but we're A little bit more than. A reporter in the communities of the community has a friend this man, his name, Abel, and

remember that for there, his friend, that had disappeared in the last few days, he had commented that there had a young

called Paul that not very confiable, a he not he didn't like much how

he'd see the things that I'm but that he's very

very that this community still and he and result

that a day receive a telephonic and in this

call they they say who is the asses of the

black he he he can't be something maybe

always receive calls where the information not is

clear he again to receive Paul. They're at domicilio

that this person anonym detiened a Paul and when he's he confess

to be the assent of the one of the black. Okay. What is the terrible

of this history that we've heard much times? Well, that result that

Paul is that technical of the hospital that had been contracted

by the director of the exorcism And it's the second that he's the second that he he's

in the diaries like the Latino of the bolsa negras unfortunately not so there's many

restos that could identify as you do you many of the numbers that

they're in the anonymato but resulta when they're when they

one of the bolsas this bolsa pertene to the institute and the

university and the university where He was the technical. Meces after, he'll contact

the same reporter to this director and then they're going the movie to the house. Wow.

It's this part of I, I've mentioned before. Many times, the movies of

terror, have a transfond quite dark, very, very, very,

I remember much, in his moment when I wanted I wanted to talk about this movie Halloween

with how is the protagonist Michael Myers Michael Myers how the director needed to inspire in this

to be able to to create something in that moment no time and he decided visit a psychiatrist so so

in that psychiatric had a friend he said I need to me want to be

to see a person I'm looking to look inspiration and he he

he said he said a little a man a man he said two years he's

he's things very sinised things that really are atroces

that that even even for a person a criminal a adult

would something sinister, but this is done for a little of 12 years. When they're in that this man, he's present, where was this director, I mean, I know, no, no, no, no, no,

I don't know right at the man, and I say that when see this young, enter, just with her rostro, sentio much fear, sentio much terror, his mirabre, his mirab, tan, so

fria, at the same time, reflect about a lot of maldad, of ira, of odio, of that's

that's stability. I was, he wastes and he sent him a million things only to see a

person, to see, and he was where he was inspired to create a to Michael Myers.

The actual, the rostro or the maskara of Michael is what he sentio

when he saw when this young and he represented in this form so like

like the mask of Michael so that no has the no has no he has no has a light

no has nothing and for that he could he could send to the

other world to any person without a feeling

of emotion nothing so so it's impressive what many

many directors in so so they're so so

I'm there I'm there are so there are

providid in different And I can't say a lot of movies, that, oh, no, are not apt for all the public for all the public. Sure.

For nothing. For nothing, but no less in that movie. If they were to occupy, well, were reales,

they were sacrifices, reales, things very sinister. And I think there's also the bad that can

get to be to be a director to put in his affan to create that your play a

exited and cause a emotion, cause a terror, and they're in the production capacity of

those things very sinestras. That's for me, well, because we're because we're because we're

that I consider that they're a problem mental. I don't know you're what I think. Look,

we have to part from the idea that we that we all we're a certain psychopatia.

More even when we have interests for certain things or for certain

professions. Yeah. So, So, it's about, and it's the psychiatry and it the criminology, that the 99% of the medics are psychopaths. Okay. What what happens is that they're in a psychopatia functional

where these cortes, where the bear a person exposed, all this generates a pleasure, not a pleasure to have to have to do it to satisfy a necessity, but if it's the way that a medical when a court, cubre this necessity of the court.

The criminologists, what do we do? We're looking information. We're in front. But also, I said Robert Wessler, that is the creator of what we now

know we're in series as criminal minds. He is the that is the analysis conductual and says that the criminologists, the forensic, the medical have to have

a line so delgated but not to somers to be a precipice because they can convert in one. That's

a little bit in Cerragans Susses that is one of the podcasts that we produced that I was reading a book that

you manage the psychology oscura and us about about something that just you know you're

represented as the continuum of the that we're perfectly that a person no exists the maldda

absolute and the bond total. That's not possible. And even even the criminal

more more sinister, is in the zero. For the audience that we can't

the dark of the line that is from a zero to be from where the

zero is the mald absolute and the sin is the bond that. So, no there's a

person that's that's not exist. Unicement that that is

taken but they they're they're they're the 50% is like the normal

in a human but there's humans that are under the where we encounter

a criminal that they don't get to be so much as you because at final

of you feel in love to the I remember I remember

this I'm that I'm that he wanted his his peros

to say how are my mascots how are my mascots oh the Tuluca exactly

and the Tuluca and he preoccupied for those animals and was to the part of

the bond of those animals a despite of what the bad what he went

to do to do to make to be to make a lot of because I thought

to be spantar much of what could get to get to a

human but I remember the case of a mother that never

present signos of psychopatia no present signos of agressibility

but they they're they're rebat to a her

and this woman encounter a person that he did and his condo

basho and he well, he did things of one not the sort of

so no no no no no he's he he said you you're

going to do you do you so I do you so so that that part

is very interesting if we get to analyze so

there there people can I think can manipulate

as how is indicator of 50 when it's to defend

to the people that you amas. There's a medic who's a psychiatrist English

that creates what is a indice of maldard. The indice of maldad

manage from the one to the 24. And depending the quality or

the form of the crime is by indice of maldard you

think you think you 24 is Jeffrey Damer you is the monster

of Catepec. And if I you said I'd say that the Indice of Maldad of Jeffrey Dahmer just he gets to the 14? Yes.

So, what happens is that we know, I think, that we all we have a price,

a price inclusive to commit a crime. Imagine that in this moment, you're

you're in disraired, and atropeas a person. And you does count that this person is

attended in the So, no so you assume is that this person has been in life.

You know, you're going to you're nervous, you're to start to start to make the

and you know what do you want to take the cellular and when you want to

call to this person of the person of you know, you're you're you're just

you're a car was a man with a man with a lastimated you,

you're going to continue and continue and continue. Because your conscience, what needs is a escape. Your

conscience, for this instinct of supervivency, will realize what you, in your worst dreams, you never imagined. That if you had seen in a notice, you'd have never

understood that someone, after to commit the first delito, that not was intentional, but finally is a delito, has

committed to there, until that they got to get to get to par. So, So, all we have that little detonant when

it's about our families, when it's about our friends, where we can convert in that, that we've seen as well, that we think we never would be a close of us, but result that the

human, if it's a certain pathology, where if you have the detonator adequate, exactly. Explota. Yes, Yes, as to which,

we've talked about us of, well, it's a point very important because there a person act for instinct. Yeah,

the, those, those, survive, no, that don't, they're in not,

they're in, that's, but we're, we're talking, when they're to get in those kids, so that's,

it's, it's a bit more. Sal, it's, salem the animal. Sal, to defend, uh,

to, uh, to, uh, to, uh, of events paranormal

that have been to do with crime. It's a master to be able to be able

to be what I'm heard from because obviously not is something that I'm

a voice. It's a question of one of the cases that I like and I'd

like that I'd talk about the case and let's let's the

side paranormal Claudia Michangos the woman that for out of the other people came to

say that was a possession demoniac for different questions, markers of liquid and but in the

paredes making reference that this woman gave to levita or went to to act

to an form sovernatural the question of these changes of personality like if

in a moment Claudia would be to exist and enter

to a person malignant and occupy a your body to be able to do things

and a lot of things because the fact is that is that is going to talk about. Look,

Claudia Michangos is one I think is one of the cases where we can

talk much information I have heard this part paranormal this part

of the possession demoniac I think to start all those

those who are those who don't you have a child, you have

a son son, you have a friend, you someone someone

to be you, you can't understand that human man

a woman is able to give their life

to the way in the way in the time. I think

also. I think it's a way we can't understand that this is a

way we can use these aspects paranormal Because they rest an intention. It's more easy

to call a an entity that not we know to know a that we think this woman had problems

psychiatric or this woman had an indice of an maldard important where his kids,

then they had to get from the middle. As a little we

realized this investigation and more yendon to the

life, to the behavior, more than the success. Of the

important, the success of the night, but are very important to say

where came Claudia Michangos and the because is going this

change in her that not surge in a night, it has to be

with aspects of the back, of his life, of

his endorno, and resulta that we can find that is

a woman with many many carences emotional, where he gets a

his parents very young, where it economically has the life resuelted, for what I don't say

that I'm saying that we can't get in things that we can't affect. But, but I think

that she, in this null a luched for nothing, in the case specific of her,

encounter a spouse who can't his necessities basic, is a person very religious, does catecism

to the children in a college, where he's even to his children, but then he knows to this father Ramon

in the church, where I see consider that she begins to have this side

obscure, but also like of double conscience moral, where on one side,

I'm the mother, that has three children, that that's present until the

church like a mother and a family perfect. For the other side,

I have these instincts carnales where this father, that is the prohibited, me

and it's to cause something and then I'm at the conclusion that what is what

does that a mother be a mother? His kids? What is what?

What is what? Deha to be mother? Deja to make a mother.

This is what I think that So, she's with Claudia Michangos. She commenced this enabomeration, that if you know

not the other side of this money, where if the father also was involved with her, where she had photographs,

even in her carterer, with the curate, like if were a saint, no? I have the photo of my

children, and if I think I'm the father, but not would be the father, but not tend to the

person, then there this conduct, it's a talk much that she has schizophrenia also,

she has been that she has an event exquisoids where it is you, you, of your

body, we know, that this type of the mentales, well, that nubland

the things, but Claudia has things that not are for me

to me perhaps, if I think you think it in an aspect demoniac,

you are the expert, but for me would say why.

And if were for exquisoid, also would be out of these aspects.

It's a moment that she he's to make to make these acts,

much of the people, unfortunately, as far in many many cases,

you had heard that Claudia he was and

maltratable to these men and those these people

accustomed to those, not they didn't this night

that curious only only the only the only the only the people are the menors, but not of the mother. What a pain that the people not us involuclems more than a lot

and they'd be in a chism and possibly it would have detenido this massacre. But in this case Claudia, in the moment that she does know that one of the cuchillos with those

who is in the life, one of those of his children is runpe and then the pure navaja is the that is the cutando,

she decided to go to the kitchen and take another and regress to terminate what he's

doing. Now, you tell me a case this is the first indicio a

case demoniaco of a repent me crea conscience and then I go and Igarro

another cuchillo and I'm in my experience I'd say because

record we in the the amyto demonological is supposed that the demonios more saying,

talking in the thing real, more than the way, to make the people, no,

they're not, they're they're not so that is that also is that the church,

there's like some there's a person has a or no possession, if you

have a revelation of misteries, how to talk a language that

never in their life had been very fluid sansonism a

mononism, a lot of things. in this side we can say that

a person posseal can't have to get to the body posseal okay

why you think you when she when she does when she has

roto will to change the instrument I think there

there I think in Claudia there there a type of the

and it was with with one or other form. But could be

the same the same with the same I'm not much I'm

exactly no no I know not I'm know I'm

could have been so it's like to not

last to she exactly exactly in the moment that

she she starts she but one of the one of the

things and the the first that the women when is very curious

a difference of the women. The men the men get, if they're going to terminate

with a pistol, they're done the fire or the famous of grace. Why?

Because it's like mark your firm. If they are in an stragglement they're doing

they're doing a way and it's a lot. The women, the women,

terminan hormonal and emotionally with those victims. The women

if it's a they're going to they're going to they're going to run a run a mango

of a cuthiel until that you not can't because because the women

eliminate we're a way different and for so there many cases known not means

that there there's there of women or of cereals because they're

they're they're they're involved and make to makele all a scenario where

difficult are to be able to be so in the class of Claudia me

really really the attention another thing that she is terminate

to realize the act and he has his menors to the camera she

doorme with them in psychiatry a episode of

this type not doesn't do 12 or 15

hours okay dur where the person reaction, and then so, if he does know what he has done,

and you can terminate or to kill the life, or he gets isolated in a space, but no actua,

no, still, actuant, like if what were, not form part of their reality.

And, and result that Claudia, what he is contact to one of his friends,

we, understand that this is the principles of the 90. In the In the beginning of the 90, the cellulares,

they were practically an instrument not only only of a power acquisitive important, but that

had the functions that we know even before 10 years. Claudia was 23 years in

a psychiatric of the penitentiary in Keret not not was with the population

general. And then then then resulta that Claudia he called to his

Amiga, if I'm seeing what is what's what I've got committed, she had to have taken an agenda,

the telephone, or have been made a memory. But in an episode of schizophrenia, that number

not is located in the archive that we all we have. So these are the data that

me would be that is more an effect of all that, that, for supposed,

had a problem psychiatric where had been attended with other therapists,

but if I mean I don't think that this has been any an episode

exquisio or has been a position demoniac simply a manoe of opportunity

because because, again, after after three three years to the 27 years

she he's the puny and letter as you commento I am I am

graphologist I am perito and And then, I what I analyze is what are

the tendencies and the personality of an individual. And don't I could see in this document that

Claudia he's to give a judge for his proper liberation, where she

affirma to start curated, where affirma that this episode she needs to

live, a person that has been attended in a psychiatric so

no I would a card saying I'm going to, I'm I'm going to go. And, for

other side, as last, elige pinted the cabo of color rojo, Fuego.

This color not only is aggressive, is imponent, and not is congruent for a woman,

that after of 33 years, to be to have puted and the manner

that he did the thing, the most that was that they'd to be, or that

they're to be the contrary. And they do you do all the contrary. Yes. It's important because one person

that I in his moment I, I went to the interviewer, because he was to give to love. In fact, me said that

being even in the psychiatric, because she said she was the side of the psychiatric, she always

had a Bible, and she'd carry a Bible. The important is that Claudia always never that she never did

what he did. So, she said she never he wanted to enter to this course of the pardon and of the

love that was doing this person that was there. But she could be there because he he was doing this course

to people that were in the penal but he was at the other side in the psychiatric. So he

without knowing her and know to know of who he said I'm just she was

a woman a little black but something there something I didn't I don't

know I didn't that you transmit something that's I'm talking in a problem probably

a little more mental maybe because it was someone in the psychiatric who inconsientiment you just was making an idea

of that is someone that's someone that's something that's a more rarrow but I said something I was

a little but I was to try to get a access, he says you know what you know what you

do you know when you're there's a place you you're going to do you you're going to you're

where he's scubre to what woman had a woman is important because there are many questions

and I want to make a question a person is schizophrenic within of how you do you know

can do do things coerentes in an attack of schizophrenia things coerentes

not I don't I'm because I'm not I'm a because experience experience

but but that a person in a crisis could have a logic of events

no, no, no, I've seen, okay. I see, the people

is going to know, to know, to know, I'm there's a person who came to

with me that has, it's many years are, I think are more

than 20 years, with psychophonica diagnostica, medicated, for all many years,

a person very intelligent, a master, that of the first started to hear of the but she's her diagnosis

schizophrenia. The extrano and I say, is that this me makes very rare, very, very very,

because what you hear to hear of the case, not have to be a coerent if it's

a thing of a problem. But, for example, she had us told that

for many years, they'd these voices that at principle were good, and

they were voices malas and they said that they were they were because she

had a thing she they were they were in the sense that they said, go to

take the bus you back you back you back you back you're going to you

get to a time you and you come you two paths to the left

and you go and you're going to find this come it's you're

to be much and I was a library where she

in his had entered, and he'd get at the passage and he said

the voices that would be to be to be able to talk about that I'm so to be very,

very rare because I said that I don't do you should be so, and he said the

only the fact, no, it was for more of 18 years. So, that's

me passed much so. I was when I was a student me said, it was

I was to do you have done, and the voices me said all, all,

I'd read the question and they they said, and I said, I said, I said, things so, things so, and

I said, that's not not, no, no, it's a question of a

problem. But, right, when you commented, if I thought, if I

thought in things coerentes, what I was, if a person

could have a, a, reasoning if is being questions of hallucinations,

of these voices, well, I think that no, but finally I don't I don't know

because I know the truth and I can't negate that there are things that

even the science comprehend. So I have no only only to respect that

that the person and also I have to respect their experiences because I

know I'm not nobody to say that doesn't because and if

happens what? But I'm a what I refer is a Claudia

where does things logical of your life no heard

a voice he said he back or do the

decision was taken for her and oh no

I don't say in this moment where I but I

can say I I said I was I was

working and I perfectly Sanna. Ooh. Okay? More

closer than what you can imagine because Claudia had a family. Yes, yes, and she

and she was a family. So I've understood that was a subrina with the

with the with the I don't know if it has been so. Well, the fact, the

people are who they receive in the outside that she still paying,

but you know was terrible what I say, but you don't have got to

and he had a fortune important. So, So, just simply he's paying to

this group of abogados. But Claudia is a woman that's a person that's a period in the space,

in the oldvido, where it was in a news of a periodico, it's Claudia Mijangos

the Yenna of Kerettarolibre and where is that? Okay. Because unfortunately

in Mexico we don't we don't like in other countries this red where you can

you can get a number and you will out if has been certain

delitos if there is a perpetrator or violent of the men's a no

so many kilometers in Mexico we don't know if your person has committed

the the story you don't have idea but but it

apparent a person what is what is what was what is

that he's what he was the most adorable

of this world but for me and I

have studied as cereals. I think is the most malo

the more the more terror me had okay if I think he was the

person a group of a group of a day of the day of the new

to reconnected to giveettes to give to the people to the

the sir well no of the the man respectable

that that that that abuelito that those who'd

want to those are Andres Philomeno Mendoza and let me say you

that there there's a criminologist that I respect much Mexican that's

called Peggy Oxtroski and she is a psychiatrist of

then he to be to get a and and when

he they're they they they think of the people

that I think with all the discipline and all

the know to confront us to one of these people and what

he commented to me I'm terrorized because he I've

interviewed a number of assassino serial that you imagine

I know the most the pathologies even I

have in those people to make those things

to have some problem in the ovul frontal know

of his path of his psychop and you

when Philomeno Mendo Mendoza he he had has said,

what if if you do you come to my house to take a

coffee, I would have accompanied. Imagine the grad of manipulation

and the incredible manheal that has this man, that a psychiatrist

criminologist with all the know, he was, it was he was the question

of the camouflage for that that's the camalon. That's his camouflage so perfect

to pass that percived and say is that he no he can't do it, because he is

a man he's a he's, so he's, for that he doesn't know, no, no,

no, I have to confiard. I'm a question, and the truth is that I'm

anxious to know the response. As a moment, you comment that you know,

no, no, you can't never, the part of the or paranormal because

nobody has the absolute. There is a moment where the science no

has a for certain events and for certain questions. No, no, because for

normal, no exists the logic and no exist these proceedings. In some moment,

you have toped with a point where looking to the most logical and you're saying,

is that no, no, I don't I'm I'm here. Respectos for those

who think that's paranormal but I know I can to find the side or the

sense it's in a moment is a top with a event

that you're that is a thing problem in in

questions in questions of I think no in questions

in questions and I want to I want to

make clear this I give the manner more

respect and the way more logical and Scientifica

that I'm okay without to try to care in

this type of lecture that was like I'm

okay I took front to me a script of

a person after after with the time me and

they're and they're the same personalities different absolutely

were two persons different. He's he asked to the parents because

they're to try to do this peritage because they don't understand

the change of this young he's 17 years. Okay. It's they've been a

psychologist, the psychologist, the manned with a psychiatrist, he has

all the problems neuronal to know to know of a possible schizophrenia

to know to know if had this of duality of personalities and there and no

there was nothing but the comportment of an person was of a young and

the other was of other young. I want to say, well, well,

I'm I'm I'm imit a letter and I do the form

of another letter but result that what does the

what does the graphoscopia also is is to know the rascals and the form in that each one of

us is what it's what it is what is that you can't know if there's a falseification because

for that you Wilma scriva like you Paco had to have been born to have

the same brothers study in the same place to be the same person

to have the same particular that is like a way digital I can it can

find in the script. For so I'm that you

try to imitate my rubric or my script no is it's

my and this so I'm this this young no there

and no there no that not he had

he and two that were the same person

were two and something more more more when

when we we We used the first ringlons of a manner very amable, is, dear Paco,

how you you can't, and at final, I can't say, and I can't refresh, and record to your mamacita,

because one you just a lot of the emotions. This young actually what I'm saying, first was

amable, and then he was made his emotions. The second person, he had all the contrary,

sacaba the emotions, and then after the manner amable or he said

to man amable but they're two people with

rather like they're that they're a person with

two ways digital different Wow in that I

have I've I've heard that people that have

these changes of personality not to get to get

to affect them physically or conduct because I

could I would to think, and very erroneably, because I'm very ignorant of the time, of that probably a personality

could have written this, and the other personality, has written the other part. That's the other part.

That's the psychiatrically, not so could prove that had any any other than no, no.

That's was the problem. That's not that the parents were given, but not, but they didn't

how it was possible because they were first with a psychologist that an analysis graphological normal

to be what were the tendencies of the personality. But when it's present, they're done that the script, or so

the analysis no has nothing to be with the conduct of the child. So what do the parents desacrediting

to the graphology and they're obviously this is a mentira, the graphology no, but then the psychologist

he says, no, wait, this is too is very rare this person clear that has and has

done pericial, judicial, so it has all my respect, we're going to do it. And when

he present the second is the personality, yes, of the young. So,

so they can't that they two personalities in this person, and it's

when it they're they're to be a psychiatrist, he has all the problems

neuronal and they don't have any kind of they're any type

is very complicated. For people who don't are very accustomed to this theme, no, of the thing, well, yes, for example, because we're, because we'll be

there something, or so, I'll think so, I don't know, to my side, that could have something that can manipulate the person, something with a conscience different, with, no, I know, a comportment different, that in his moment, standing in-dentro,

could control the body. But it's for one of the great mysteries, no, no, so, are things that don't have an explanation.

What a question? How, how do you do you know pastes? Oh, how much

thanks, I'm going to know to know so I thank you. I'm the time

that, you know, I'm so much, I'm really, we'll come to talk about to talk

with things that they were never like for normales. Sure. For example, me

really a moment a case that famous that is has a type of register, the devil

me obliged to do it. In some moment, know how how far or how real

it went to be saying, no, it's that, is that, is that, if there is a

exist, what we know we is, if really has been it's written or

has been manipulated, has been manipulated, is the reality. I don't have the

absolute, but we don't get in some moment to investigate this case a

fond. I would be very to talk to talk with you and really

much much thanks. Before to desped us, we can record your social?

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