EXTRA ANORMAL - El Demonio que habita las Cárceles: Historias Siniestras de Presos

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

En este episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, Paco Arias recibe a Michell Rodríguez y Kevin Pinzón desde Colombia, creadores del canal ‪@ConductaDelictiva‬ quienes comparten historias estremecedoras sobre presos que han experimentado presencias demoníacas dentro de las cárceles.Demonios, rituales, pactos y manifestaciones paranormales que han sido reportadas por internos en las prisiones más peligrosas.¿Qué entidades habitan realmente estos lugares?¿Existe una conexión entre el mal y las energías oscuras dentro de las cárceles?⚠️ Suscríbete para más historias paranormales, relatos reales de terror, sucesos inexplicables y entrevistas impactantes. No olvides pasar al canal de nuestros invitados: ‪@ConductaDelictiva‬ 🎙️ #HistoriasParanormales #Demonios #Carceles #ConductaDelictiva #ExtraAnormalPodcast #PacoArias #Colombia #TerrorReal #HistoriasDePresos #ExperienciasReales #Sobrenatural

But at the day next I gave a mochila and saying, with these

hands that caused that cause I'm with this hand, I'm I'm in the bolso

for you. How does it practically they're they're because today does this

in a place and more or the trajectory to the other side

are six seven eight hours. And they were they there

was a last a lapse of time so long between one victim and the other

until that one day he says guardem this muke and he a little

he had a piece of this time in form of duend and he he was he was

he was to go to see how that that was all and in

the pen to that they're they're they're the duendes of

the offrendas like I'm like I simply he had

the door and he he was and he he had because he started

to have to have to be a lot of so there there was a

occasion where yeah not there those started to

intensification much in the mind he and they and

kill and he and he What I'm going to be able to be able to be welcome to a podcast extra an normal. My name is Paco Arias and I'm happy to be with you. well, no is our studio

usual. We're in the studios of the City of Mexico of Histories Embrujated. And I'm content because we have some

invitators some people that really have a talentazzo and over all that they're all that are really

are very very strong. Today me accompanied our friends Colombianos of conducts

delictiva Kevin and Michelle. How are? Haco, a gustavus to be here in

your place to also the lot of stories that succeed in Colombia.

Thank you. We're very very very emotional and the really that's a public

very generous the Mexican and we're we're not one or one or other from watching from

the cases that we're also. That's good. I'm very for accept the

invitation. Thanks for start with us. I know that's very good

people, much people know, but if this side someone

is this person for first I would be

to be Well, we're a podcast of crime. Okay. We're in different penals

in Colombia, in different parts of the country to tell those stories of different private of the

and all entraves in the crime, but more a lot of the horror and all of that, we're

we're trying much in the conducts. For that we call a conduct delictiva because we

just to analyze a part of the relato that they are going and really are

stories that are many many ensignances as society also. That's

so it's practically we've done some people people have done

things in the country but that one one once we we're

many people that's like criminologists psychologists forensic psychiatrars

in classes in colleges in Colombia they're they're the

chapters of the podcast and analyze to these characters

from there. So, there's where has taken a force

to this channel. And, well, we've talked with two assassino

cereals that are in the list of the 10 assicinos more of the

people, we've had been to the one, we've we've

a episode that, we know, that's that also that's that's that's

got to get to and he started and it disencago. So, and,

And, we've seen that type of experiences, we've seen things really very impactants, that even there are ones

that are not that's been that's of that we're going to share. There are others that we've also

that's some cases that have done on a nodded. That's what you're what you're saying,

there's there's a question that we're we commentamos much in the podcast. We've

talked many stories Paranormals, some much ligated also to the thing of

the crime but we're saying a phrase that really really does fear. Because when

we're about many occasions we think in demonios and entities malignas when

really the malddad exists more in the human. As beings

duales of light and of course I remember much a book that I

was reading that us about how the human study the

theme of the malddad and the bonded in a barra mentioning that normally a human is a

if we put in a scale of 0 to the 0% is in the 50%

where the zero is bondd absolute and the 100 is mald absolute

no no no person human will be completely malo

and completely well simply this factor that it

moments for questions social, of the life, et cetera, et cetera. For example, how we can

see that a woman that never has been a person and a person, and he a rebate

the more sacred that is your daughter. We can be dramatically because there a certain

factor who it's a factor that but there people that strangely that

that configuration we're going to say, is like pre-termined to be more

more malos, no? To go to more at 1st. Exactly. So, not is in a 50. It's, for example, we said that, more or less, at 60, is a person that he likes much the hurt, the rob,

the 70, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, is it's really interesting, because the malddad human, reflected in the

rituals, we've, we've, we've, not only only not only has done, we've been stories, contadas for the

same people that they've lived or lived this and know how someone for something about something

like to gain a election like having more money decide to cover with the life of

his and things that has left us now now so now so I

know I don't know I'm like I think I'm like I'm so many things

how you when when they when they when they when they know what

most impactant what most has cremecised is that as a society always

we're going and we imagine the monster or someone tenebroso and really when one

has a type of human in front he does know that the monster

I can have to be a right can be my prime can be

a man can be a man is someone I can I can't I really

really is very very very And when we're we're we're

we're invite to your public that we're not you don't you don't you

do your channel to your conducts delictive where are all those

those those people that we're we're we're we're we're prepared

to share and it's that really it's impactant when you you those you're

you're you're and you you're a person human and with and with

all what there what How, how passed that zero to 100 that you commentas

that one says in a moment a decision, a impulse you get to change that zero

to the end of the end extreme? What do you see, you know when they

that man? For example, I've saludated to people that people that have had

arrancated to the life to other other humans and then there

there there's a thing you know what much people know like the

mal vibra how do you see in you know we're in we're in

an episode quite interesting in the first of the channel we're we're

we're a monster serial Colombian and he at I remember

that he had I said I'm I'm I'm so that

we're so that we're always like always always always always

always all armed that the personage only get and he's a

and no I went for a mess and I'm he's very great,

he has many has some hands so much he's not he's not he's

never been seen to the time and I'm presented the presented the company and he said to Michelle

that if she could go to and that's that we're to be very nervous because I said that's

that's what I'm and I began to make some questions very privates

but what the most me surprised of him is that me

about much of his his his his he already is

also also that's also that's like a maldition

generational because my papa was was to try to desvivir people

right I'm a person a person connotation national for what I did

and also he's with his husband and with the children were those children,

they were men of six and two 12 years more or less and I said and now

my my son my son no disvived to but lastimosom

came for for for and people that had

in the men then then we'll go back with Michelle and it's something that I'd

like that I'd like even to tell her because it's even a even a

little of stupor because I was concerned a ratic and I did so and he

he said and he said and the night he said I said very normal because we said

we said we're talking we're trying that we're that part human and so so much

so that so that humanity exists. And she me said in the night

I mean, I I responded many questions and now tomorrow me will be going to get a girl

and I'm really expectant to know what is and that you know that's the phrase was,

it was, it was I'm forgot because clearly we're we're always we're very concentrated

in what we're doing we're we're doing we're some techniques specific to talk to

people, because we're just we're we're basically we're to be that

percentage of humanity that they can and when we did we did two sessions with him he's in a carcels of

maximum security that's like four hours of the capital of Bogota and in that carcels

it has much free it's very big at the mountains it's a one

a zone very rural when when we we're we're first session the

first day yeah we had to get to the the

the the And he's very, he's to come. And he has of a region of the country,

he's very affectuos. So, they're the typical accent that they put to all the Colombian,

right? The Pais. It's near to Medellin. So he is of that place, and

he said, come, and who is the most badito of the equipment? I go and I'm

I said, I think I, because in the people, all are men, I'm the

only woman. And, and what color you love? And I then I

started to respond to because I felt that's talking to whatever person.

Then then I say, and if I do you do you do you,

you when I like, what type of of a kind of I'm,

I'm to do I'm to bring me my pen, I'm invest

time in a time in a a tally of tegidos and I

would like to have a little bit of you know well, well, well, then I'm

not really but in the conversation if I asked, like for my

gusts, for things more personal that, but you then you and then the night

and in the night, we were, because we also we also we also we're a lot

and I said, to me he's been to be talking to and I started like if

it was like with all the life, with all the confidence of the world. And when I found

I said it's a error and lastimusame many much, not only women, but many people,

many people, they live a dayer in the car and he does it a obsequio and of

an obsequio and so do you have to clear that he was very respectful with me

so I then I then I'm then I'm kind of exceded a little that

the limit of the confidence of him but at the day the next I'm a mochila

tegida beautiful that when when I gave it was in front

of the team very respectful and saying with these hands that caused

that done with this hand I that's that I'm that that's

that what's so that what and Jaime has

that has that It sounds terrible, no? Because at the final is... But Jaime has an ability in his about, in his form of

that we're that we've got many victims. Because Jaime not is the typical, even more that's a story to tell you a

other story, a other one day me said, be that I don't have I don't have caches and cola. And I think that phrase

always we apply in our work because the people think that the person's serial is there's for there

aseching with a face of malo and with his eyes and not

those are people very very so people people who

people are intradors that you want to one

and and look that with how we have

more than the a that the last to

all our conversations we we had about and

we talked much about her about about for

the us and we we're trying to create and for so I think we're going to

talk to this story because it's the clear example we're saying I'm always

trying trying and looking like annihilaba eliminate I'm I'm obsessed for

eliminate and with these same hands now I'm now I'm

trying to create something support let me that this is the only

that I could I could I could be here to But I want to start to create.

Wow, no. What, what impressive. See, even how, of a repent, the person human intent to reinvindicars to make certain changes.

I want to tell us a story to what you're what you think. It's a very curious because

we're not we're not we're public of all type of people and regularly they're going

with these two occasions that an sacerdotes that us Compart the history. I had told you

one anteriorly has a year and this has been six months that

we're going to the occasion special to be to be to be because

he he knows that's that has that has that there is in Michoacan

where there is a penal where he he had the

he had the each each a office a missa

is something that in people intend to get to God,

to the church, some of them are going Christians, others they're Catholic,

or are Catholics, but they're to be more spiritual, to learn

the Bible, et cetera, and he started to do the misa

every day, and he he had a certain presos, of

actually, yeah many he were a lot and he was a

occasion that he gets, he was curious to to the front, because

I know to all the people, from all the people, even who were in the front,

who were going to be there to be a fatos, as they said for a and so it is very

curious that that day, be to the front of a person that never had seen. Well,

it's new. It's new. I've got to get, certainly. But he called much the attention because

this is a sacerdote mention a we'll to call him a don of the aura of

the person is what he knows he says normally in prison you see much

a lot of the people carry many things that needs that needs to change

for certain for some processes to say but this person

impunia because apart that was very very very very old

I'm I'm I'm I'm a Michael Myers no

the the movie very very very me, he was

me I mean, so it's not normal, his mind, he was a kind of,

it was a but at the same time, he had a maldat. He terminated,

and he what he does, he's, he's, he says, he, by part

of the parroki we're some of the presos, come we're with them, he said,

but that this time like there something that was that's this person, that person

that in no moment he does his name he's enter of his name

even after after after after after he's he a peccado

and I want to you know he he said and he's going to a space

and in that moment he's the classic no there's maria purest

and there's a and he and he says a lot of this

person this person this person that was there for for assassinate and

he began to mention that that, that, well, he was with the life of

his woman, that no was not even even his and that he was

he was with the life of her, and this woman had two children

of other and in that the same arranke of he

was also the what what so is that

mention that he never had this type of this type of and it's

what he confies to the father that he he was in some moment in a

house of a postas and he knew a person that he had made a lot

and that he got so they were so they're so he started to make

a kind of a type of amistat and he he you have

to do certain things to to get. This is azar,

but also you can't have an help extra. He no he's

not the moment to what he really to say, and he starts to say

a series of things that he does there are there certain

elements that are very that but that after of the moment

he he he started a voice. That voice

he mentioned in multiple occasions that could that

the life of him. So in an arrake of he's

he's but mention that it's about two three months for that

he was that he was not a kind of he was he was like he and

simply he was and he was and he was because he was a

occasion where you know he was there was a lot in the end up with

them matalos matalos and he he's he's he's he confess

that he he says but he he's like something he does like that he's like

very much so that after that you confesses for for the penitences exactly he does

he does his penitency so so he he he to change. Pass on the days

and he said, how you did you did what you did he said he said

father I have to confess something I don't do I did every I was

what this he mentioned is that was that a and at the moment of

he said no no I'm I'm going to a in his celda, that just he went to pass to a population, so he's called

here, then he was in a cell only, and that he had a sombras that were in the obscurity, every time

that he he was trying, and he said, I need to his help. The father always carg, he says,

look, you're going to give my rosario, he's been good, he does the rosario, and he says,

and he intents to do it, and he, pass the other a second and he confiesa

that no he could do a morning simply and he's a little bit

he's so he was very strange because the father me mentioned in the

correo that for him is like he he thinks that he a infestation not a

possession but so like something something something a very very malo

to to this man and he starts to say that every every

he makes to try change, to do you start to see a

an entity that he began to abuse sexually of him something

like a socub those who are those who are many those those acubes

that are that end up that part so he he began

to make that he he he was sometimes things were going

peorers and they were worse even a time where he

he gets to give to the misa and he when

he him, was the most because just recently after that they did

his condena, to him they're they're just living in their cell. He was

he was his own his own his own and when he he's a card,

and he he'd the letter, where simply he said he was

I'm I'm not many times but I'm and this sacerdate that podcast

us and he part that this story because we

know we're about the infestation demoniac I know what

what's what you opinion? No, and that's a lot of in Colombia we've presenciated much of this but there's

a raya very delicate with the audience, because a very a for interpretations like,

ah, no, it's just just a that's a that's really not doesn't

really not doesn't, we're to you're to one or other form justificing

what they really actually we're we're not agnostic with we're

very agnostic with those themes, always we want more

like the science, the racocinio, but look that in all this time

of this time of experience we've seen many things in the carcels, tantas

and many stories, that really us have got to say there

there there there there there there and even

also also in a in a carcel of the part of

a person something a real a person us

said come to Rimmisen to a Rheja and I want to something that I'm

going to and I'm going to but I think more that for me

I think for Michelle was a uncomfortable to hear it okay well

I'm to comment a story that you you think

that is the reality of what we we we're many

and that history that you narras we've heard in many

people different And it's calcado. It's basically the same. Sienten the same. They're also

about the voices, but also we're also we're as because we're going to the actions and to the process.

And in this case, when we're going with this person who mentioned a Kevin, we're going

to a carcel that is a, so, it's in a zone in a climate

in Colombia and at getting this personage and she receive in chanclas, pantalal

like if it was 40 grados and the mirada was a very perturbator it was a

clear it was I said if you see when when they're when they're

a person those eyes are like spheres negras like two posos

and and secos no like if not there was no it was

it was it was that that He was a man corpulent and was in camis

and he's alto. And he started to talk to and he started to but it

was a jubber and that he was in chaquette imagine so and this type

lavado in the and it's because he's because he comes to tell us he

he is a person that he accedy menors and he He begins to sudder

in a form really uh-normal and it's because we need to tell how he's

enamored of a bruja. Okay. He he started to say that he

started to feel a much attraction for a woman, even he having his

home, he's to feel to feel a lot to start with that

he's with her and after of that, after that he's consumed

that he he was he was he said he said he said

that he had to be to end with the life of

women specifically when he he he not he

and how he started at through and he

was to he not know when starts really to

and the mind was more more a way, and in that moment was very

very very because there was a realto that was very

very really, we got to say how she she

did one of those women the sub to his residency

and he and he and he's really was a sadico

of this type because narrabed all what did specifically, and in

a moment, he said, yeah, when I felt all that pressure of that voice, uh, I was cogied and was

basically, but he had in the act, and he was called this form until he

he had that they were, they were notably to black, and he said,

I, he said, I, he, he, he, a 0.1 percent of

of humanity and the let's let's And that's And so that's And so he committed the act

for the he's privated of his liberty but really happened and it was scalofriante when it

he really when he made what he was the carcel was not not was a woman and were

many and we called the attention also I don't see if you remember

that it was a space of a asphalt, no we were like

on the we're in a past or and they did they they're on the

umigues I don't see where they're there's there's there was a moment

that I was very concentrated because the guy had a little but I

remember I'm sure I'm and the and he he said I was I was

I was I'm I'm I'm but I'm I'm kind of I'm

like I'm like what's what and I sentia also the ormigas in the zapatos

and I said if we're what we're so what what we're there there was a moment where

we got to a reja like to we're just and we came the attention that when

we were coming the guard and we we know with with a kind of

like that they were to the monster v they're they

saw he who who has he's this private of the

private, that the facted he was impacted to see how he's when we're

we're going to I'm going to I'm imagine that I've seen and have seen much things of

the private and it was impactant for the And I started to feel very incoomod

we're we're we're sitting in a placas in a cemento no see

in a in a placa we're in a plack and I don't want to

get me I mean, basically I was cuddled to be to be to be in because if I was

too much and I'm and I'm and I'm felt like a decargated of energy yeah

I'm like a dormicmient like so like when one a gripa and the body

not you can move so I'm feel I'm sorry I'm I'm not I'm

I'm I'm I know for no almost for no

it's valid the thing of I did this because the demonia

obliged to do, the demonologos Ed and the Rain Warren the investigators of the United not, of that if the person commete

a certain act delictive for a thing of, well, influence demoniac. But of

a pronto we're in Mexico there are cases of people who I know I know, I see

that psychiatrically and scientifically there is a pattern and there a methodology that can be to determine

that a person simply he's because not in their faculties mentally correctly.

But of there are certain things that generate hypothesis and mention that there a person

even in a moment about a person that if not assassina not

he was he was he was he had to do it because were

some those dolores of head that he described, that he gave,

and even that he didn't do it, even even until that he not

had the same, that he gave, and he gave to say, in, well,

I don't see how he mentioned, when they're saying, he's

saying, he he was because he had this necessity, and he

gave to mention that in him abitable three entities, and what he said

my body have three demons, and every one

me provok me provok certain things. Even one of the things that he

had a lot of that during the intimacy with his parents, he were too bestial.

He, he, not it was human like I think he was a man,

and he he was to gain that fame because he he started also the thing of

the flavor of the blood of the blood. But he mentioned in that declaration

that he he was he was in my The body habitant three, three entities, and every one me atortment, if I don't do so, I know what can, or what pass in those cases? What do you think

you? Look, there's something that I'm something, and is that in the majority of capitals that we're talking, where the privates of the liberty, they're saying, no, it's that I've got a voice, is that me the devil me said this, is that the demonio's me metio, and they're in that, there's many, there's many

comments of people saying to me I'm about the same and I'm

a lot of a lot of it was like a year and it was a woman because

almost always those are the people who and it was a interviewer and said

in the commentio look that I me I mean I'm a lot

really I don't do that I talk about day and night I'm not

to take paus I know what to do. Me la I pass working. I'm

doing many things to try to call that voice and for me has been very difficult.

I've had to get to get to me medicated but really

that voice still there. And that's the most most because we have

those relato and how we do we're doing we that that's

that voice that they say that they they're really not make more

stragos of the there and how also to to prove

how veridic is, no? And even look that I do I'm

four years working in a investigation with Luis Alfredo

Garavito that I imagine that I've heard much

about that so I was the last I had the

opportunity to interview and we we we we're

four years in that we talked and I took too a

day and I remember that all commenced for there.

He said that at the south of the part the zone cafeteria

of Colombia but when he was to feel those stegues of to do

one he went to go to he was and in the sub of Bogot

in a local called Boas he said he invited to a

one and he and view the and he he

he was to him he he said to he said for telephone

to me caused a sensation like of adrenaline but I

I don't do I see I saw I'm like and I'm so me that I'm palpitandome

palpitando me that I wanted to do it and look that when I started to talk

with some investigators of the Fiscalia General of the nation that were those

who really were the pass this type they're they said that the first hypotheses

that the first about this, were the sects satanical. Because he said, they said, when we were

to the sites, we'd have stasos in the, in the piece. Incluso, one of the, with those, with, I said,

look, that one of our team, one of our of our friends almost die because he had to

infiltrate as as a person, and it was in the places where supposedly were in the sects,

and he to cover to the food, to do, to do do your professionalism to see what they're. Yeah,

then we started to see that one day passed here and we said, how does it practically they're teleported? Because today does this

in a place and more or less the trajectory to the other side, eight hours. And in less of the 24

pass. And then there where you do you do do you do do a program that really are seven,

eight hours in bus and passable and so there no had a lapse of time so long between one one victim

and the other so he said he had got to have caught to have done or have cogio

but this type of Garavito never used that method so that that was that was

that was and also and also to be what had in the world was

something that was something that was there and for that was was the first

hypothesis. Yeah, this type me started to talk of that

also. Also when when we talked, one he said, he was

he was he was he had changed, and one we had a conflict. And for

a interview we did you go and I went, and he called in the

night and he he said, ah, you're a, you're a,

you're to get to retarme a person, a that me also

me can be to talk and he was very

very to the other amade to one of the

and he after he he he he gave he he gave

a a that he was he was he

he he he did a year before he and he

he was even filmed and he when he he was

so he was so I never I never to talk that

I don't I want to talk that's and I'm going to say, we're going to

get a couple of that's interesting to be there what are there, what an nototations

there, even there even there does it does it does it because we we're not

we're going to do it and we're to stoper this and look that the first time we're

we're making we're we're there and they're to begin to pay the

people. No man And I don't think in that of that and I said a Michel but what?

He said to the team, to Edward we say but what what's what's

because always generally we're we're we're a lot of time

and never they're when we we're going to be to find the camera

but very rare and if not it was found to the camera

then so they they day that we we're in the other

city entered a person and said no, I know, you know, you know,

I don't let's get to that they're the beginning and it was we're at no, we

took to pay to be prestated those or arreendados no, no, no,

no, we're not we had we goted about about about ten minutes and

they're so they're so, and we when we when we were going to be able

that something was after that after we after we did after

Like, like, yes, like, so, like, so, we're like,

so we do it. And that was for me impressive because I never

had talked of this. And when when, was, I read in a versicle

that said that I would be to be a world, because the world, so I'm

so, the the word the word was, I'm sub-ralled. Sub-rall

with rogo. Okay. The actual, in the chapter can be all the

details of that Bible, but something that was a very much was that just all those verses

that had to do with with menors or with the things sexual, is that I don't if I said

if I said the word for YouTube but all what had to get to menors

and with things of access or of about they're subrallated with

rogo and retenied the what what? Fience what is what

curious we we know we we're apart of the podcast

We do we visit some investigation of camp. We visit we're various places that have been history

where there were actually things and where there's there's a form emanencia of

energy. There's this presence where they see that the man, that the manje, that

the person and when we're curiousamently I was I was I'm listening and I

remember because we, we when we when we when we we're going to know the

we're because one of the things that that is that all the electric

fall, the batteries that we've got cargated all full they're not where but the

energy not is all you start to get to start and it's precisely

in those places where there's much energy the battery

or the energies that components in our batteries to start

to beginer and it's something something something failed

the electricity when they were when they when we wanted to open,

it was it's dischargared the equipment and when served the camera then it

was just the cable of the microphone started the microphone

started to make a sound of so so so sometimes

things so even in other we we're going to come

to come and we also was a cargated and it was recing

and we went to we and when she was to finalize

or give the part more and it's apagia. So that's been over and those have been in the

memories too many did you say. All right practically. Even before to do

one of those relato we got something we thought that we're we're very rare and is

that our team always is very very very careful with with all and we

we're to get to the penel of the penals we took to

get to Perry Tomar, and we, and one of our children, I don't see how was that he cooed the mallet, the case is that was that went to all the

camera's to and it was and then we're to have one of the relato, I think, more furs that has been the

channel. What, that for me, I don't think in the coincidences. I think there's always

there's a factor that is present. I want to a story, and this is a story

a very very very because it occurs with a person

here in Mexico is a man this man this man unfortunately

well this this not is something that but in Mexico

the the penals or the carceles not are completely

full of people there unfortunately there many there

are in a form unjust because act the

factor money, the power, the suborn, I said for there a political no,

the corruption is present and this is something very too. Much

people is there is in the not a condo that not

is just and that so many administrations are simply

is a carpetas and yeah no they're to even

you have you have a dictam you can you can

be much time So, this case is more or similar. This person

enter to the carcel for questions of that they were with a thing with a lot of

money. So, then you had the desert because he was he was a

but what he mentioned is that was that was because the company

for the company for the company for the people, but never has

to count that those who do They did really they didn't

count. He was like his a good he was to do you use and to

him he was the he was a man very respectable a person an person

honest with his family had what he mentioned to his daughter

or his he dole too and unfortunately he

unfortunately he he started a depression in him

yeah like at the three four six six months

that to be in prison and And so, because

no there was a process. Simply is you, and there's you have to

pressioning and so it's to have to get to your abogado stay so to be

to do the things and you know, the gastade of the money, not, that the

copies, that to take a coffee to a person, or so that is that,

that is Mexico really, and disculpem me, I'm, I'm a favor in any

partio political, but it's the reality that And in America, Latin, in Colombia, it's a lot.

Exactly. So, is much money. And if you have money, it's a more rapid. If no,

forgetate. Or, you can pass years and you don't have to have a dictam. The case is

that this person was desperating because all his money was going. He was

he was going, he paid, that for the copies, that for this, that was the other,

and the other, and the other, and the And justly the point where he entered in

desperation because he was indebting, he had been given his vehicle and was in this

phase of to demonstrate his innocence. Passa something something that's a cellda

he he was he was he had moments where he had been stories very

fertes that actually you know the stories that are these are stories

of these are stories of very fertes very very tetric even very

oscuras and there a person that he said a little similar to the

history of the sacerdote because much people in the

Christianism or to the spirituality and this person he says you have

you have to do the things different all they people

and that is the error if you do you do

you do you are to see a person

completely septic our protagonist, a man esceptic, a man was very methodical,

very quadrador, he got a much, the science, and as a professionalist because no create there

nothing of this. So, imagineate, you know, I was in a point where all

for him, then he was an option. And he said, what I'm to do, and it's

where he does, he does he do a coyard very common. Even

he said, it was strange because he no he's, the what I

do interpreter of this I said was that it's it's like a

know of some they're like they're in certain grimorios written by altos

and this seyo actually allusion to a certain demonio. The extrano

was the practice because this had to be not banied

directly but if they are in contact with certain elements

and for they they're to censored a little

in the production because I had to have a

certain time, Sangre, orina, excrement, and a lot of things that

he gave to certain attributes or adeptus to this. The strange is that there

was a response almost immediate. One day in the morning simply

he gets his abogado content to be and he says that for

some reason the things started to come to they

were to their their they are investigating to the

really to the presumptos responsible and he he started to say, it's

certain, or is it is real what is this or is that really if it is doing

well, so he started to get this confidence, he started this but for

before this he had had made a process very special with that with that

this amulet with the which he apart to enter these

elements was he He had certain cortes in his hands

where he derramed this liquid over the amulet. But in the moment

that he saw that the things were to start to he said I don't

have to this because this is for my abogado or is for this

etc so then he he has he he had something something

he had this had this experience to be to be a his

and to his family to his husband. In when he he he

he's to have dreams that he reveled something he said that the

first that he was that he was that he was that he was a type

ocean and that he had like a a barco in that

he he describes to a entity great known in America

Latina in Mexico in Mexico like the Santa Morte I

see I see a that ser in that barco and I be it of

back a that one he was to get a barco and this this ser he gave

the man and he was and when I was there the little the little to see

me and when I was my my and I and I always

always I'm like very this alterated always was the

same was the the night, the ocean, the parado, and he only grittable, and he not knew why.

He started to attribute all this for the stress, for all the process, and he gets to be free. He has

his liberty. He can't he really not had these connectes directs, he discovered, he does the

declarations and he says who were really, and he'll get to get to be present.

The detail is that I don't know how he wants to call the audience of you. Premonition, augurio,

no I know. But exactly six months, the six months that he passed in prison, the six months that he

took in the time, to the six months his wife a falle of an accident. The

dream that he had had been, he was he was reveling that the price of

this was going to be the life of his life. And is what he does

he does they, in a Corral Electronical when he simply he was

working when unfortunately received the call of his wife and he said

that the carmion where his wife had suffered an accident and of

a great in the case the the little the little

he was he was much time in recuperation in therapies

because he was he was he even mentioned

that he he he with his life because he mentions that those

dreams those understand, but that at the same time his his

his thought, no, so this not this not. But that simply

demurro for a time in that depression and all this

he lived before to get in when I was in prison

the when I when when I did it's very so it's made

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Vi-I Porter to learn more. Well, really this also, too, too, there are many people who lastimusamente are innocents and they're to go to pay a lot of time in prison. And some

recurren to this type of things. Even to tell a story that a day

we're doing and he was going to a private of the liberty to talk

and it was he was he said I mean to me I'm accused

to have an a minor of and I know I'm

I'm sure I'm down the relate because it's the first

day that I gave to the carcel that I'm privated in Colombia

there's there's there's many there's people that the people are

very misused are agredited or the rest of the private of the liberty

are remet they're they're they're so he when he when he came

the person the person that was the person he said why did why did you why

delit he said no for delitos informatics trying to resguarding his

life. And the pluma the person that's the person who manned at the

party he said a really a hacker well he's he's

he's a cell unfortunately in various penals exist they're

there and he he's he's he's he said that in that

in this moment sentio something he said no he said No,

no, and tranquill. In the moment in the he decided to make

a or miso, really the cellar not he turned. When no he

he says, well, he will to tryer another. He'll get to another

for that he can insertarly like minutes gratuit, can access

to internet to a line gratuit, and the voice he

says, tranquil. You just take the cellar, tranquill. When he he took the cellular

he said he said mechanically he put how did he gave to the cellular

functioning with the requisite with the he said he was he started he had a

kind of a special of dones like he he was he said he started like

something like even he even he had from his family he said

he had like an abuela that is kind of well, what you what you

know, what he's like a kind of but that he said he began to feel

those dons that his own is that she had been and that he really he really

heard the voice that he said he said ha a car oprimal and he

and so he's out of that but then after he was

he was the problem in the car because when

when when when you commences the mormullos of that he not was

that he not was that he had presumptame abused of a one day they're

they're in the bayon a lot and they're a lotisas well latasos they're

to end to end up him they're in the in the carcel they'd in chatarra

which is that they're chattarrasos or laminazos and in that moment enter the leader

and see how they're attacking to this macho and he he's to see

with the leader and he said the lobo that you have tattooed in the back

he's he said to do you know in homage to your mom because you

see guilty for this and for the other the leader in this moment

he gets like how how he how he did so what I

know what I'm doing in the tattooage in that moment when he relata that the leader

pique that when they the man the man he's going to say you know you said you're saying

the leader to ask him where he said where he he said no I I can't I know I'm

I can't when the leader discover that this muchach he has those those dones

and he's to make more responsibilities until that one day he says guard

this munee and he a piece of a kind of

this time in form of a duende. Okay. He he's

he's also to try to get his life into the carcel

and he received and he he was he he was to go to

see how that that was that all and

in the penal to they they they they the

duend of the offrendas. Okay. He had to give his offrenda for that

he said the favor. And it's like those duendes a lot of those dwinds, or

those tally but it's all a ritual. You have you have to baptize to puttoe

a name and in the case of the extorsions that there in Colombia

they say they're they're they're they're they're they're in

a bracit and that's what is that the dweende he exerts a pression to the victim for that consigne for that de more money

of what he's paying the in the extortion of the susto but also they're they're like guackeros

no? Like they they're trying to guard the things so when there the redas

that are the impec is like the institute of carcelario penitentiary and carcelario of Colombia

so when they're doing they're to take drugs, to get all the

elements prohibits, they're that when, even when we'll talk about, when one

he said, when one is those monachos, those mucke, it's difficult

to find the things. It's too difficult one to find

the and one and one you know that those characters have

things because are in some majority various leaders. But

we don't we we're we two meters for two meters and no we're we're

not. And, and has entered various times the guardia and have incautated the mukechus.

There's the photo of the guardia and saying that's and the offrendas and

the and making all the what has has been with those rituals. So,

really existent and they are in many parts of the public. So,

we did a chapter about this theme and And, look, our invite of

Esteban, we told that there was a photo very famous and a dween with a

ojita, with a casseroleita and that had been a pegged in the prison in

Ibague, a part like a four, five hours of Bogotah. And look that in the

comments appeared the new of the dween, and he's did, yes,

yes, that's really, she's called, no-se- who-s- -s- I'm the dwean the duende

and he he made and he he gave to tell these desires and then he said

to come to talk to us and we decided not to let's say we we're not respectful of these things

because as I don't we don't we think we're we're not we've seen like things that really

we've done impacted so we're we prefering not contested but but if there's many things

of these in those in those Penal. Fidate that it's common I've

never had heard of a penal the people to give a favor of a duendous normally

here in Mexico they're much a santa to Sanjudas there

there's the saint of the of the Narco's not right his name

Malverde Marrde but they're in common entities exactly exactly

well to those those including those criminals also the sometimes

they're they're they're a act of criminal they incommend to these

entities for that they'll guarantee the the exit in if they're to do a attack or if they're going to

sequestrar to someone or if they're going to do something they're going they're getting certain

certain favors but there is where there's that maldad humana where this desient so that

all the offrendas yeah not not is a manana now is a cabit to tequila

no it's liquid vital yeah is are things very very because they're in their

there's a lot of things between satanists, where's mention about that the sacrifice human, not going to be to be able to start into the rituals. Of course, the satanists no those chiquitos. There are more or less than what I refer. But no are directly satanists. This is the question. Yeah, we're almost

at point to terminate. No, I see if would like to share us one of the last experience. Yeah, look, we're to talk to this one of the chapters, like, you told us, for not to leave the audience there, with the case that we said that it was the day that was the day that

were all the people and that also some funer various and one day we're in

one of the carcels of the security and we know the case

in a year of 75 years. Yeah I've had four

years, five years private his life for to his

wife he he's his story when when us

when we were there was more that had been

we thought we had He never had a problem, you know, legal with nobody, aggressions as to nobody.

Maybe internally in his family, but not was like a type that normally like, like, try to make to do a

society or to his entom, even in his work, was a type very very tranquil. And one

day, then that age, when I had 70 years, he separated to his woman,

because he And he's ideas that your woman is going with a lawyer,

and he he's to think that his woman is doing that's to get to

a, well, let's, you know, all his money that had done

in a whole working, they were a company of construction and he

he said, I'm I'm I'm trying to arm a plan because I felt

that the diablo me he said, and he said how he said,

all. And he plana, cita his woman, to say, no, look, we're going to rent a apartment, us are going to give a place of a rent,

come and he'll recog. And he says, have here the metro, and does it all the plan to goger

a masso, like a martyio grand, gigante. We're we call in Colombia

a maceeta. And he says that the diablo he said, for where he had to get to

and what was what had to do? And what was what was what he

had to do. And he He also, and he's also his part

superior his coel and then that he's in the relato

but time after after the mother to to

tell us to and she and she not not was that

something that he he's he he's something to

and is that with the she she she he

wrote on the page that day. And that also

also we impacted because with Michelle we always we're saying like obviously one no

a lot sometimes we sometimes we think we're that's we're saying in this voice and

all but but as you that age you're so you're so where you

to you get to the 70 years to make something something and

also us was told the the that her that her

was encountered without sin uny. She had made to do

the manicure to do her her and she was in that

in this separation like to try to mimarla she he

found she he wrote a time he was

like three hours with with the work with

then he did also he did so he did much things

but also also also so that really really

really really the devil or really is is scudando

in this for to justific his actual and the fact it was

very macabro because his physical you allege totally

to what he is so it's almost that one he

he one no no no not connect the

with what is the person and also and

when his when his she she she he

he he he celopata. All the life to say it to the

mother to be a lot of a lot of he had a much disconfiance in but what

is really really desgaradour is that she she never thought that her

never to get to to get to to get to her and in

that and in this interview when she she was about the of the

the parted it's found a new she descarg

completely and retomom and then it's the relato so they're the batteries of the

cameras retomable and you not were the camera not were the memories

so that that's so that was very atropegated and also obviously

what I say that for us sometimes it's a very it's difficult to

think we can we can we're using to use for just

but they're there questions to in serious you

to you Because also we've known many stories that

are impulsos, but this is a crime to other level. Of a

repent, fifte that I had a interview with a master, a

woman prepared, that is interesting, many you know, because the title is

my experiences paranormal from the because of the schizophrenia if not

they've seen, if they let us let us let us directly a

woman that is a or were a master, all his life normal, all his life normal,

her age adult, yeah, more or about the 40, he started a day

with voices in his head. So, so, like, literally. And she

not in the normal, and, and, I don't have a demoniac

I, I, I, I, um, I, my brain, and you

let's say, but it's something something, but it's a something, first,

were, Seres good and others but for rapid not long

the podcast simply a voice one day he says you know you need you need to

like the first those first voices are good and they said you need you need

in these areas of your time you you're going to take to take to take your

car the first bus you see you know you back you go to

you back you you're you can't you times you're

you're you're going to you want to be you do And I said, and he

He was found her? Yes, there's the book. And I said, and for you what's this? No, well, no,

it's a delirio. I said, is that this for me, a delirio is, no, I know, something that

not exist, that's the book, no, totally exists. And there had moments where she had a

one side, a librette and a lapis, because during a one armana that had

how she was a and he started to write a to write, and I said

humanname when saw the transse, I saw, I don't understand. But there were

moments where it's like if it was the Spanish I said, I didn't every word,

every other but I know, but it's my so I'm saying, but it's my infirmat

I say, I'm saying that's that's not, I say that's not raya quite,

even, even I'm even said that in those other times in his postings

the voices was usurrable the responses. I said I don't study about and the

voices me said, this is here, this is here. And I said and it was correct. Yes.

I was, I was, I said, so that's not a normal. I said, I was, I said,

no, that's for my infirmat that, so, so, so it's

a little extrano, when he has certain things, with a thing paranormal and like

you say, oh, no, this raya much in, in, maybe if there

is some there is something that's it's not it gratis, I

think these collaborations of the crime and the paranormal have been done with the way,

and I think is because there in the coast of atlantic of Colombia there is who is who

is who goes and then sure, who we've seen this really, we've done faith

that really really if something could do you know to go to get there

exactly. Exactly. Yes, like like you just, like you let us

try to more than more than the normal wow how how they were

so you're incredible incredible yeah and more that you know we're

so much so now thank you for for thank you thank you and also

also to be to us that's in our channel for that

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