EXTRA ANORMAL - El Juguete Maldito que Empezó a Hacer Milagros Ft Jorge Moreno

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

En este fascinante episodio de "Extra Anormal Podcast", nos acompaña Jorge Moreno, el curador del museo más grande de Objetos Malditos. Jorge nos comparte la intrigante procedencia de algunos de estos objetos, enfocándose en un muñeco en particular que, sorprendentemente, ha comenzado a realizar milagros para las personas.  Descubre las historias detrás de estos objetos malditos y cómo un simple juguete ha impactado la vida de quienes han tenido contacto con él. Este episodio está lleno de misterio, historia y eventos inexplicables que te dejarán sin aliento.¡No te pierdas esta reveladora conversación! Dale like, comparte y suscríbete para más historias escalofriantes y paranormales. Canal de mi Invitado:    / @jorgemorenomisterios     

He was brought to his house, the muneco, the arrequin, and all the days he was on the morning, he was sent him in a chair, he put in his piernas and began like if he wanted to talk with him. The senior led an infarto, fallece, and in the next few days, the seniorer, and began to notice that the muneco changed the place. He had left, accosted in a camera, and the day the next amazes

and the man was sated in the same sitting in the same

where normally the man was sitting there you know you know you know there's

five levels or graded of phantasas at the experience that I've classified there's

there's there's phantanasas that not have the energy sufficient and

just they can't they can't make a something there there's

more more than you can see like there's like they're

they're like they're they're in That's the difference with the alushes, that are created physically for the sacerdotes. Has seen a little alush?

No, never, never I've seen a lus. You'd like to see one? Since we're talking, you've been a lusch has been a lush. What I'm What I'm going to be a podcast extra anormal. My name is Puckooke. What

tell, friends? Be welcome to this chapter of podcast Extra Anormal. My name is Paco,

Arias, and I'm very happy to be here with all of you guys. I'm very

very content because I'm with a person that really really really really

really really much the phenomenon paranormal more more of 20

years of investigation. This chapter for nothing of the

you you know you're going to be being charged of many stories, evidences, and things that I'm sure that not

you're going to leave dorm. Today is with me Jorge Moreno. How is this, Jorge? Thank you, thank you for the

invitation. Yeah, it was just and necessary that we were just in me, saying, invite to Jorge Moreno,

invite to George Moreno, and, I'm very happy that you have accepted to my invitation, Jorge,

that you've to come to Tustepet. De really, I thank you, too things before

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presentes, who you are what you're what you do you and what are

your social? Sure, with my My name is Jorge Moreno. I'm a periodist and Investigator Paranormal since I've been 21 years.

From there's a year 2003 I'm dedicated to time complete to this labor. I studied the licensiature in periodism and that helped

enormously to develop a form more professional this work. I'm a partied more of 800 conferences of the

Chira Normal for all the surest of the country in Yucatan, Kanteau. I'm author of 10 books,

10 books of the theme, obviously, no, that's written to the 20 years. And since 11 years

I've seen a museum, the museum paranormal of Yucatan in where I have a collection of almost

700 objects that have been protagonists of situations related with phenomena with phenomena that I've

brought to 21 countries of all the world of 24 states of the Republic Mexican and more or less

the middle are things of the peninsula of Yucatam because there's I'm

mainly so I'm so that is my work. I'm not I'm dedicated

of time complete. Perfecto Jorge I want to start for the commences. Pockes

I've been the opportunity to talk to someone like you who he has dedicated

to say almost all a life to the phenomenon and the studio

of the phenomenon and about people people that people

that I would know how was that your

love to all the thing paranormal how was

you you you think you I imagine that

you you you an employee formal, you can't say? How was what did that brinked to

the thing paranormal? What was what you was really? It was very curious because I

studied periodism. Well, I was in the primary, in the secondary, my

dream was an architect. Imagineate. Then, in the secondary, final of secondary,

I, I know the football. I'm enamored of the football, but not to practice it.

What I called the attention was the narrations that were in the television,

Jose Ramon Fernandes, all the periodists, etc. At the long of the prepa, of the fact, I entered to collaborate, to work in some of the communications and I studied the licensature in periodism because I wanted to be periodist of Deportes. During the career, I exercised this labor in various media of communication.

Posteriorally, I funded a report, I was four or five years dedicated to the theme, and me did count that every that I was going to cover events deporting in the interior of the state in Yucatán, Well, the people about that that they were

to the Alushes, that they were a phantom that were ovnis. And me I went

that this time was really arraigated in the people. And in Yucatang

no, there was a media of communication that about there were things and revists

specialized in the classic, not in sports, in politics, in spectaculos but

no one that were to be so many years. A 20 years. A 20 years.

I made that this were a thing that could call attention, and it was that I dedicated to this. But there was a part of the

evidence, evidently. If you were in the theme of the phantasmas, then the family, in my family, occurred, well, a situation tragic, no? Like you said, no?

Of a final, a tragedy, initiate, the legend. But this was a legend that was in the property and that

we could see, that was real. Okay. And that's a rise of that was, was that I'm to create firmly

in the theme of the time of the story, you know, that's called Mysterio, it's an edition Impresa, but I wanted to do, I had all the media, I had you,

designators, graphic, reporteres, et cetera, and only was to change the theme, no, to the deportes to, the theme of mystery. What I'd say

in a manner mensual, when I sawkee the revist with the boceaders, at the second days got on all sides. The same boceadores me

said, you know, say, you, say, you, say, you, seminal, add the court economic,

of the people are interested and it's interesting, and it was like a singlealely

to start the revista. The curious of the case is that the last time, I was

I used to do a way a way a way I said, if you me

see, I was, I was, I went, to have the things, I'm going to take a

photo and the publicable, but with the people involved, the same person panananormal,

me said, oh, why don't you, you, in the house where

they were in the phantasm to be what that's about the way of the style. It was

so I'm to enter to time to do this to study courses of investigation paranormal

and I have the great advantage that I'm the career of the periodism

in the career in the methodology of the investigation how about a

case, it's a sport, of the theme paranormal I've I've had

the basis for that's that was that I went to and I did the

second year of the Revista Mysterios, I'm encanted the theme of the investigation

and I decided to get to enter to time of time complete. You're about a experience

that was in your family. And is that I think the people that we

do this, I would say it's impossible to dedicate to this without having

been having something. So one is deduarn another thing is create in the phenomenon and what

many times us get to be a thing is have practicate, what was what happened if it's something that's

been a lot of my cases favorite. That's been one of my those peels of every time I think it's something something

when I had 16 years, I think I thought I was going to be to be a architect or a journalist

of sports, etc. My my tio, a mania, I had a tinder in a duces, a little

where they'd sell them dulces, et cetera, majorio, minudeo, etc. And one of my primos, My primo, Sergio, that in that

he had 23 years, 24 years, was the gerent of one of the areas. I was in the vacations, Semana Santa, Navidad of July and August, I was standing in the secondaria, then I would have to work there in the bodega.

Disske, you know, a little bit of a child of a 15 years that I was going to be doing there. No, my team me gave a chance to go there.

My prim, Sergio, was the consent of the family. He was, I was married, I was a child, but it was a kid with us. It's the typical

the conceptio of all the family the case that as a time in that time at last they've been intended to

assaultar my my my tio he bought a pistol and he he gave he was in

the screener for whatever cause he he was in the then so in that there's

so there's so many there's a time they're going to they're going to go and they're going to

one of his employees and he he'd he'd he'd like to the piece of a

a his company oh yeah look, look what I'm going to do, does this, and, I'm sorry,

not I'm sure the pistol. Apparently, not he had to imagine the tragedy in that moment. It was the

desiviment immediately, the tragedy in the family. I had a idea in that then one of four years,

one of two months, imagineate. Yeah. He left in the orphaned to two, a two

nineas, and a part of that moment, because of this lamentable accident, well,

as you know, you know, you have to live in the carny-propri, a phenomenon, a paranormal, to create it. A part of that moment in the next days, both my parents of my

prime, Sergio, as my papas, my primas, my primas, reportable that they'd hear their voice, be in his silhouette. For example, when when I, when I lived, all the mornings, he had made a liquider, uh, uh, the fru-huh, in a liqueodora, that was now, uh, was in number of situations

paranormal, that occurred, so in case of his papas, as well, in casa of my my papas, that my papas are his tios, and it was like, like, all the family started to believe firmly in the existence of the more than that.

Because not is the same that you know, to your own family live, no? In fact, in that then I don't have any experience related to him,

but more than not I was, I'm really, I think, I mean, no, I don't know me I cared much to my prim, because I don't have been.

Yeah, it was my mom, yeah, my mom, yeah, I don't know, my time, and I, you know, me took a one experience.

It was there when I said definitively exist the thing paranormal. Who I would

think that after yeah would be the final of the story? This is the

time. In that then I repeat, I think I'm I'm going to

the thing about the sportive etc. Funded the business

and yeah in the year 2003 when I had practically

27 years of I've had passed more of

this tragedy I am to 30 years of this anniversary, I remember more or less in the year 2007, 2008.

Of course, one of many of many cases, because the people yeah, I'm called to do you know, a general of

the city of Merida, me said that had grabbed 10 psychphonies. Like you know, you know,

a psychophonies very difficult. Yeah, grab 10, I said this, or me is a minute or, or

have a don't or something. The case that I'm to domissile, me must a psychophonia, some audios,

and he he'd be He worked in a, in a dependency of the county where all the secretaries said that they'd move these things, they'd empoojave them, they'd and he, being vellator, a sometimes, I'd hear about things and

said, well, I'm going to put to grab with my cellar. And in that he was he was starting, he's heard some voices. Okay. One voice, for example, said, pitt, pit, pit, clearly. And nobody knew what I said to the violator, oh, yeah, pida, pida,

a permit to the government to that I'm going to investigate and see what they're in

it's not really they're in the permission but when this this sir me says the

direction of the I've been to the city of 40 and 40 and 402 of the

center I almost me go and where you think you where you

where you're where? Where was where I'm where I'm where I'm where was the

tragedy of my Primo Resulte that the dulceria three years

after the tragedy for other motives, vendied the, the,

uh, and the building, they were renting to some other people, and from the

year's that you're a new building, and it was the secretary of the social of

the government, when the bellator me says the direction, I don't go,

and there they're they're they're saying, is that the legend urbana that they're

saying in this edifices where they're saying that the due of the

man, his Sobrino he disposed. The story distortionated. Then others

said that not, that a group of his people, they were who said a pistol

and he did get a and I know the story real. I mean the telephone

descomposed the classic case. And it was like I'm to surprise to many

situations. There casel the rompecabuses. For example, when

me had made the psychophonia and was the word Pete, Pete,

nobody didn't know that was Pete, but rapidly me gave the 20.

My Primo Sergio had, well, he's already he's, he's

a little and he's my friend and my brother. That family lived in a time

in the United. When they were when they said Pete. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. Peter. Exactly. Exactly. So, imagineate how I put it

when I know that 20 years after the tragedy, result, that you were talking

and other other thing, for example, me said the bellator, fiftate that,

well, before I said when I said, when I said when I said, when I did a permission, I said,

I said, I'm going to get a little of the other and I'm right. And he's not. And he said,

you know, the dominoes not have the government. As you know, I'm saying, is your preem and all,

I don't that's not that you don't say that's not that. And in that we went to be talking, what

they were doing, all the situations paranormal that I lived, I said, I did I work in the

scene of the Titanic where the babyita and the scenes of the Titanic. Cierra the eyes, and go to me sent me like she, because I drew

I to these offices of the apartment and I was, I know, here's where they were in these offices. Here were the dulces of menudeo. And here was the bodega. And here was this. Because I, remember, that 20 years,

I had, before, I had worked out of, and for d'clock, me said, the bellator, fifted that here in this area of the bodega, the bodeguers, you know,

they don't want to hear, because, de pronto, see, listen, a voice, that they say, mommy, mommy, and I

I remember that when we're there's, you know, so you know, like the form of the form feminine,

no, my primel and said mommy to them say, Mommy, come me this, oh yeah, and try me,

bring me, me, try me, me, try me, there was a second piece, where the people,

the people, and you don't want to , you know, because, all they're

getting that something that something, and I remember, that my Primo, when was there

cotorreano with with his employees, like it was like he was agarrava and at the same time

it was in that they're like that's a lot of those of the secretaries of the parliament they're in

your work, they're their food, they were a little a momentit to do you

and then they'd be, and you're and then they're and then it was just the end of the school.

And my primo when I was very common, it was very bromistic that when the employees when

when they were they were they were in the caron of I was a little bit Bromista So,

so what lived my Primo in life, was going to 20 years after after in the

year I'm so I'm so I'm when I know that I'm never imagine that yeah being

an investigator paranormal I was to investigate something that happened during my adolescence

That part is very interesting because that is when in that part of the

investigation you're unying cabs and you are connecting one

and that's what I'm really the few times that we've investigated because the beginning is

like a rompecabes all the pieces are all the pieces are dispersed but when

you start the thing you and a figure for example when you start with

the rompecabes ah this this is a this is a bird of an arbor

this seems to the ladrio of a house and you and you start

and the same when you do you do the things it's as sombrose

when Peacabes go taking form. And you say this because

what's this and it's a time very interesting. Another phenomenon that I

think that really is in your story, in your anecdote, is the theme of

the telephone of this for example let's give a spoiler of something

that possibly maybe we can we're we're we're out of

cameras to the husband of Juan Ramon Seence locutor iconico

of the man peluda the most known of two locutors that has

had been this program and initially of Radio Formula and this sheora and she

talked things very very that today for you I can

say what is what is in internet about of Juan Ramon in an

80% is false the the real story is more

more scalofriante and we accompany. Because many cases do this. They're

generating stories alternas that don't have even even much things nothing to

do with the history real and the people and the people start to do that there are

many things for example something that like a spoiler so I'll get Juan Ramon

was he was still after his mother then his family took

contact with him after had felles this was told for

his and for his sposa. So, I'm very interesting how you're going

how you're how you're how you're to find out now you're now that's you're doing you're doing

one of the museums more or no see the more in, in things paranormal that exist

no see you know, is the most great? Well, it's the most great for

the people of the world of America dedicated to the time paranormal

because there museums of terror where you have sculptures of Frankenstein, of the Ombrel, etc., but

of objects reales practically is the only, because even in the States the Museum of the Occultism

of the Borren, yeah, it has four years that's it's a thing, so.

So, so I'm able to say, it's the most great of all the America, and

that's interesting. I'd like that we'd want to start for there, because I

want to go to go to go to know more to be going to many 700

objects. All are reales. All have a story. I'd like to me tell you, if you could, that you'll use these photos,

to go to them on the most pesados and of those who have an history very turbby. Sure. For example,

there's a munkees that comes to Guadrajara, the man, is a Ralequim. It's one of the objects of various that the people

call much the attention. If you guys, we start, for the munecoe, the arlequin, Johan. It was a man of a Guadarjara

to Jalisco me it's been in the last years more or less the sir had to be

Alzheimer we're talking about about a story of about a year of not so that's an

old and the characteristic that had that was that was not he was not

he was always like a manique practically so I don't have no no time

no time no time no time no the family the family the people

they were to to come to be just just A day, they'll

get in a place commercial, of a point at a start to be in a parador

and he's to be in a little bit of a little in a little bit and then he's

a rlequin. What is the arlequin? That is a is a muneeco a very peculiar, very characteristic

and you are going to see the photos the people. Uh-huh. It's a man old,

uh, this is of color rojo like a like a palaces, no? The case

is that the sir starts to sonreying and the kids

and the he's he said to get him because you know because they're because

they're in the the muneeco the arrequin and all the days he was he was

like he was like he was he was sitting in a sitting in a seat and he

put in his put in his and he began to like if the

the spouse of this person rapidly even even even even

even right of that mucke. The she said, I think know the reason why

he used much this muke. Because this is a person who are very much very similar.

And the woman said, when we were we were very young, my actual husband,

I said that from a little his son was to have a unyco and dedica

to the ventriloquia. But as was very poor, he was when he was a little

started to work in other because the dream, he was frustrated. So the

woman attribuied to that the year, the year he had a lot of years of

a lot of he was a little bit of his own and the infancy, and all see the

arlequin he was with a unyco and for that he put in his pierna,

he sent to his person, he was to start to move and he started

to be a person, like he's like and he still,

they're well, he's he's to do get to tension. Exactly. When you start to talk to objects inanimous.

He was two years with this muke, all the days, he did this, when then, well, yeah, lamentablely the sir, he'd do an infarto, fallece, and in the next few days, the seniorer, begins to know that the muneco

changed the place. He had left, accosted in a camera, and the day the day next, amnesee, and the manniqued was sitting in the

same sill, in where normally the senior was sent over. A. Sometimes, it were in the kitchen, a bit of other side,

and the cask- have some species of cascabels, of a sudden in these cascabels, the woman at the first was

to be in the woman, the she was really a little to do you know to the woman, but then I'm

later she attributed it's the spirit of my diffunto spouse, that's just playing with his muke,

and he he was the dilemma of the she's, that the children, that the next

frequently they'd have to visit the children of six to six to nine years, were in

four nine, they were, notable that the muke also that

son were the cascabels and were they were to visit them to the abelisian the parents

yeah no we're not we're in the buellah has a dilemma of that if me

I'm keep my my niefts but if me deshago but it's a record of my

marido so the I'm the I'm if the if they're if they're to give you

they're they're saying that's you know what you know what you know what sometimes when you're

you're what they're you're to get to to the to the So for that So then we

We had the Museum for Normal, one of his kids me I'm through

through the and he did the idea of the mom if you don't if you

want to there's there there, there there can't they can

do it and you can't me contact the she talked to talk

with an opportunity to talk to her and it's like she she's

like she let you do you don't the only the only that

never you you never you you Exhibit. You can't tell the

story. And, of the story, it's not like this munyco cobra

the life because I'm my diffunto I'm sure. I'm sure that many people that much people

and they do that many people that's, the case is that we give us we're in the

cell one actually of the museum and Paco, not you don't you

want to know what's the people when you the dynamic of the dynamic of the music.

We're long of one hour they're going to the stories of the

other those objects. Not you don't believe Paco, every

every that our guys, we're we're the story of Johan in all

those groups of people, two, people who got to be to be

a person that sometimes to get to get to be to be to be

to be my man, or my man, people, people, people,

people, me comment about, my defunta my defunate a

money, they were a line. You, he's 15 years, he casted,

he was two kids, he was a man, and more to the muneka. Falle the bula, and at

a rate of that's to make the thing. So, something that's very common

that's a raigated, we call it. So, especially, well, I'm listening to

try to understand what is what's what's what happens with the

people who have the clove thanks to your help. And is that are the objects that you know that have

a carg, or negative, but independently, if is something good or bad, what you do need to that is the person and the

person, or it was of your child, or it was of your mother, or it was to know if this object, well,

if it's a thing is dangerous, a little maybe, but me recalls much to my family and

me dolery to let him. Justly the dilemma where was the woman, the husband what I'm,

what I'm a lot to him because me, me, I remember my spouse, but he'll be

my family. So the the temor of many people is, I don't know I'm just like you

do you say, the I'm going to what will pass. The people the people will be

to comeer, it in the moment that they they're to be to be,

or not to that they're just in the cell there in the sofa costado and they're

going to take a water and they're going to and they're not in the patio

so I think that any person but that that form is a big great because

that plus that has your museum here we're we're here

we're to give this and when you're to come to come to come

when you can't when you to to make to make to that person

to be you and you just you can't be a No? For So, I have a

question because, I mean, I know that many have heard the story of the Warren, independently

they're real, or no, to me me surge a question. In the the film, for example,

we were that they've to be a person to a movement ecclesiastico within the Catholicism,

pardon, dentro of the Catholicism to be to be to be to be to be

this place, in your case, how is, how it, how it, not you affect to you. In this case,

no, no, we're doing. The museum, as I always say, there's people who are even so,

it's apt to the family. Can't go, they're, put in, you know, before before the pandemic,

Paco, there was a grand, there was a great, many, a lot of many,

many, schools, schools, superiors, prepas, universities, are, they were,

visits, guided, to know, the museum. At the first, first, they were

the doubt, oh, no, not's in a brugado, et cetera. I went the maestro to see the recorried, and as a museum, not a casa of terror, they've been to even to the students

of primary, no? And why we do this? Because, as much I mean, it's certain, have been been protagonists of situations, situations,

not are dangerous, in the sense of that we're we're not, we're not, we're in a cell, with muneekas, that have been

in the place, that have been more of 120 munkees, for example, that we have, the worst

that could is that when I'm going to be that a move to a move to a head a

or do a but not is that the spirit maligno to be able to get a with a chock

and you to attack or to do something and for example the section of the everything is all

is a thing that has done we have an object for example we're a four

four quarters another another another that's another that's if it's a conjure

or a ritual it's it's put that you can't you can't that you can't

But you have to do that conjure for that you affect. If you're just like just like that. Like the example that's just like I'm saying that needs to be able to

the tank, for very beautiful that's not going to go to advance. So, let's, let's say, let's dogeria not have gasoline.

So, the people can't be able to, and not be activated for that they're to do you? But in your moment, if

were they're active exactly. They're activated then through experts in every type of brewery what we have so they're

so they're not, and for example, a one object that's called four corners, for example, for the to do you

have to do do you have to make a invocation, it has been to mention the name of the person that you need to

do not even while you're doing that's doing that, but whatever that's going to do that not. Here we're

to be showing a little image of exactly. Everything. All the that's all the people,

it will be. Thank you. Let me. Let me. Let me, this object. This object is made of

polyuretano, of yesso, of the tether of cemeterio. The Cuernons are As you can look at it in the image, it's impressive.

Even physically, you just see, and you cause a terror. The middle of this head, that's called four quernos is like of one person. The other half is like of an skeleton human. So, it's impactant to

a simple view. So the people, only to see it, he does fear before to know the history. I imagine the quantity, the quantity enormous

of maldad that produced this object, Jorge. Platican us. Well, a little you talked in this case of this

muke but there more cases I imagine that you're you're you're

to say what is what most abunded in your museum I think in second place

are the monneekas there are about 120 munkees there are more more of 100

so it's so it's very big so and like so people and like you're

so you don't you imagine you're that were protagonists of something

for the normal because no a little bit of a little feo and it has been to be

embrugated not, not the you imagine Okay, platicinus then a moñecke

Jorge because, a bit just you know, the whole Hollywood and all the movies,

for example of the Warren Berso us most the thing, but really

in the real nothing to have been for example Annabel no has nothing

to be the about the movie with the original, the choque original

with the the of the movie no have nothing to have to be things

so. So, let me a muneka Jorge. That's because of the tachia

me imagine, no? That's he has to do the perversa and fey to see.

Look, of all the objects, all the objects, let us we're doing,

because me have don't know or some of some of some of some

that you've that's that's that's that's what you're that's to what

you're to the do you the duke us and it's like it's

like that's like to renta, not that's, I don't know, it's a lot, I mean, no, it's he'll pay nothing, but it's like

living in a hotel, so we're saying it's like, they're going to be in the same thing, the program

inexplicable of History Channel was the museum paranormal and he did a report about it. It's a

story like to say of Joham. This this is, I mean, perteneeneenees because only

only not it has been there incomendada to the senior Geli Marufo. It's a woman,

that's a in a nina, his father he said, I think three, four years

of the time. The woman, you know, it's a lot of yeah, imagineate.

And when she had his novi before that she was in his wife, she always had the

mania and the novio when I went to visit her, the novio

said that the moveia, change of the place, there were things

things and I thought that was a problem but not he took therapy because

I was that the man that the Sieno-nobos, decided in Cazars, the Sr. Geli, and says,

well, I'm going to get to be my muneka with us. Nase their kids, and the muneka

was going to move into, a new occasion they got in a house of the play, and at the few days, regress,

Marida, we're talking to about 30, 40 kilometers. A series of situations paranormal, is that you

don't you imagine you, of all type. The case is that the kids, when yeah, being,

when you're getting a little to be a family, and Geli and Geli and he says, look,

I'm sure that my my muke Chari is called the muneka. I'm sure

that the muneka no is malignant. But the things that do you do to do

my family and then I want to have to be a car for not to live

a experience negative. And yeah was that I would be to give

that you have to you know, you know, you know, and every once in when I

want to go to go to go and there's to be but two three times

a year to visit to a monieca and my propios employees say after the

rostro he can be very serious when she's when she's she's a one of the one of the

one of the story channel the story of the muneek of the muneek of the muneate it has

it's a minute about this muneek since the she was a mania a manna a new

actually exactly I have I have a I have a one a a question for you

Jorge, why you think that the majority of objects that have a cargues for example englobando

mukees and you have to with the nines? Why? There are two situations that I

think the those the spirits or almas in pen of the people, when they're

d'ambuland when they're going to they're not necessarily in the house where they're not

diambuling in any in a line, if enter a house, if enter, for example,

to your house, you're doing, what will call the attention like a little? A new new.

A jubute. And, if your kid has a person had a person to do you

and he used to be, if you know, a kid, mouse, fall yes, you're deambuland from a

man, and in your house, he's going to have to be a and he will be to move, he, he's going to

get to be a lot, but also. But also there are things that can be rare and that

you guitars traditional, two guitars that were in, change of the place, apparently they were of people that were just to talk to the guitar and they'd just

they'd talk about. But, if definitely, the jugets and the munkees are the objects that more have the activities for the

normal. Right, for example, while you're talking about of these objects, me put to think in

something, that to a certain point is something is something very logical, but that I had seen so,

for you to give the energy to a object that's what's need to give

the intention for example I'm this object and I want to give to do this

and I'm to try I'm to try to do a what do you do that's what they're

exactly I mean right I'm going to this to the head because

now in the energy of a energy of a adult the energy

of a energy of a man is a so really much

much much more more more understand that the energy is an adult. For suppose. Now,

if we mixlamos that the energy of a kid is very great and this little he did intention. And the

carino that he had a love, he does a little to this object, that can

be a a carito, a newke, a muke, a muke, a man, a man, then I don't

have seen, I'm, I'm, I'm, because there there's many many times of the

mukees that's move of the way of the

cameras of security in a moment they're that's moving that's

that you and they're in there so now I'm even because in general

mukees mukees and the top one of the object of your

and there other other other in Yucat in Yucat not if in

other other parts of the place in Yucatans in the

city Merida in the city of Marida has put very most the

the markets that they're they're in all. Ropa, jugets, revistas,

recuards, et cetera. There are in many parks where all the days there are

these tians. And me has to be, like you say, you know,

a thing you have a intention. One once me took a case,

and no there in many there's a lot of a lot of a

life, his his daughter and she had much years. The is the

person that's the other other senior that had of toys and

things in the tianvies. So, the woman innocently gave to the tangis to exhibit all the toys and other

things that they had. And apparently those, those jugues, they were very arraigated to the

defunta, to the line. And then you pass, you're going, you're passing, Pac,

you're going to get a question or a little bit of something, or a little bit, you know, you know,

you're going to you're getting to your house a object that to be the person, and the

the defunta. And of when you see that starts to move to change the place and you don't you don't you

don't know what you think is that he is the duena real the duke or the duke or the duke or the

duke or that you're doing there to and is to buy things in bazares in markets in markets

I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I think so much because no you know one the

intention that he was or in what was used? Because there many rituals very

very oscuros that are used in in juggetes they're

they're for rituals to doils to do to make to make to make to make

invocations and that is what me generate much yeah I should

say a word for example me has passed you

know you know of there there sometimes they

put in some some tiangis when we we we

like of a way there's things there things,

there are things that that are things that you're going to get the attention and we've

passed on the places where they're like reliquies or

and we go to and we do you want to and I don't and I

don't know we're we're doing we're going to get us because you know the

pasto that they have you're not only is a only is a little

we're we're things maldita that can have energy can be a diadema it can be

a needle it can be a ball or really it can be whatever because it depends

much the intention that you have put in it if it's an object like

any any no no problem something something something something

no new no there's no a machine a machine it was but

but to buy something someone who someone who even

even even even is there really really the most And not you

imagine the object of the story that you can't I remember a story of an

inciensiario that's that's padrissive and they're to be getting the photos,

they're going to be the photo. This incinciary that I have a bird of the life

has a story sensational resulta that has more or eight years

some of some of people who people who live in in Tijuana he's well

the abuel the abuel lived in San Diego Crem the body

there in San Diego and the penises of the old are in the house where he lived in

San Diego but resulta that the those the sobrinus for

some something want to get the because he was oriond of Tijuana

but they're not they're not asked if in the duana

could pass the the sandis of a defunos in a

case and they were illegal or something when later they they were Averigued

that with the act of function, perfectly it's not it's not it's not they're going to

see, you know, they're to pass it to the place, they're they're

this article decorative, that's to bring incensos that's that's whewko

for there, metier the and they there, and they're the incensiar

in their vehicle to cross it in the duana and that no they're not they're not.

Logran cross and get to Tijuana they're yeah the car where

originally there were the senisas and put the senises other way. The interesting the issue and that's

that they're that the house, not they're that in the incinciary had meted the sinuses

of the abel. No, they know, because if you could you think that your gestion,

they'd be in the incinciary there sat and all the days they'd and all the

in the door, in the door, in the in the mess like if someone they'd

they'd they'd they'd and they heard that the incendiary was a porreying in the mess.

And not saw why. The sobrinus that had made a travesura for so they said, you know,

they're not a suggestion of that they were that they were for that. It's like 15 days all this.

Casualty in a question, and they say, oh, is that this insinciary

of the point in the night and it does not a terror because it gets to

move to and the people and the really we tryem we tryem the

abuel. Yeah you imagine and then so, you know desacers

of this object and then they said not you don't get to the bathroom because it's

a lot of not you don't they're in a tiangis and so ah, well,

I'm sure. I'm the recopilator of this object. I don't know. I'm sure that after this

podcast you're going to get a month. Me, I'm going to get this to do you

get to and it's could be right? Exactly. Of course in the in the museum

we receive apart that primarily the things are of the investigations that I do where I go, where I go, where I get

but also receive this type of donations, no, the people just to platica, the history, and us say, et cetera, and those we have in exhibition in the museum. And always we always, no, many phenomena paranormal are territoriales. The fact, in the case of the incendiary, I mean, if I'd like to gainers,

I'd say, no, yeah, he's moved in the, in the museum, and it's not, no, no, no, has passed nothing with him, that we assume we're, we're, many, many phenomena, are the most,

if the spirit, would allow me in pen, of the abuel, was who were the insinciario, in the house where the fact

that you keep this this object not means to say the abel us has been to be able

to be d'ambuland in Tijuana but with us and the object is the object is

a problem and it's a bit I'll mention something that I do with much

respect because I'm sure that many people in those

restos or the penises of some family and I do

with much respect but but there many stories,

many stories that people have been told in different social of when

they've been a life normal and for X or Y Rason he gets to his

casas the rest of his mom of his son a sonica in a cenisero

or an portador of these senis and a part of that moment then

they begin things really things they adjudic all the negative, to that

they're to get them with these sinises, then they're some of energy pesada, that no

has to be with the family, but there is a that's to be provoking

phenomena paranormal in his cases. This is what is what is what is what

in certain cases. There are people who live with the senis of her mom,

of his father, and no It's not it's but there cases that see

have lived things and even that they desacens of that they're not cessed

the business. In the your museum you you're you

said I'm about we're about in rituals in

burgeria but after a rato when when we came

we're in carter I about you a man

to go to the museum. Count us that. It's one of my stories favorite, especially because I've got to travel more

to 10 times to this place. Muna. It's a municipal that is a about 60

kilometers of the capital Merida, is Muna Yucatan. It's a story sensational in the

personal. How it's all? It's a time in the municipality of Muna lived a

name Carlos, lived with his family and a day, his tio that was

when he was a time to get to visit them to give them a muneco. A munke, and he put the name, Tiago. The Tio,

he was called Santiago, and all assume that, like his Tio, he was he put him, a man, a maneco common that was sold in series in his moment,

was famous in the years 70s, and the little bit of all the school, to the school, to the catacism,

at all the family, at the first, no, the family, at the first, I go, he liked much the muneeco.

The young about him, but the family, like he said, well, he said, well, he's an amygian, et cetera, not allowed importance, until the papas to start a little

that the muneco came to the place. A bit of the baby was to sleep, agarrable, the family of the muneco, they were to put down of the room, and amanece

in the kitchen, the muneco. Or in other side, no, with the logic that the child and he was going to get to grab to and bring to and begin to

know that the muneke pass-cars with him. After there, for example, probably that interrupted the when

they were you know, you know, you know, the testimony that I'm, because if was the first

the first of the first, the man, he bought in a house in the United and

and he was he was a gift of a year when he he was new. The case that

of this, uh, a little months, the family in that then at the final of

70s was more easy to get to work to be like now that is

very difficult, no. The Tio that was a Yucateco, he says to the family, oh,

there's a opportunity to travel here, come to be here. The pap, the mom, the her man, the first,

and the little, but they're in, but here, for the child, the family, as they

were maybe rarrow, he moved, not they didn't, the little, to get to

a man, the trauma for the child, no, the first shock that you

you're going to be to be a moment to the last a time, took the

decision, and they they'd they'd in Muna, they had a niner,

a woman that's a child from the baby, the father for some

because he was to try the munee he was that he was, he said,

but he said, he said, you're going to get to get the car,

because they're not and you don't, but you're to be a man,

guardal in your car, you know, you're just as I'm going to get to

the United, yeah no, they're never, and they were or not even vacations,

we're going to for some because of the mother, the nina, let's say the she's the ninerer, said that the

muke was change of the place, she moved, passed things raras, and she many times she thought in

his house. Yes, he was in the house, exactly. And there's and there's, that's the

thing, I said, yeah, so, so, if, she said, she, she said,

he said, he said, he's, he said, he's, he said, but, but,

for respect to the a little and thinking that there's if he's regress and me leave. And when

occasionally the father he said he was in the United by the he's he said,

the man between the he said, look, look, look, give a favor, no,

you're going to do you don't you want to do it. That's a lot of the state of

the United. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. Pass the time, this

this new this is become in adult, study for medicine, and little after

graduated, he, lamentably falle in an accident of transit in the United.

At the age, more or 29 years? Okay. He had 29 years. There was

practically 18 years living in the United. Never returned to Amuna for some

but the man. But the mania because he was going to get a house,

because they were the point is that the same day in that he is this

year. Recunned in this time in the years in the years in the

years, no way not it was not Ninira comment and that's, because I

interviewed that you get to get to see a part of the story, the new year the year

me said that the same year and she used the yanko of someone in the house and yeah,

who goth who came who got in the car, he got in a maca and he

in a maca and he he'd be that the tago is he's put out of a two

meters of the mackas so no not it's not that there was there no way

there there's there yeah and I'm munieco and say that even

was humidicida to his car like like he he had been he

and he he was and he he was and he he was he said he was

the last the lamentable news that that Carlos had

had had died just the day in that at millions

of distance had had heard the y' and the

man and the man the youngera said I think

the spirit who was in pen of Carlos,

yeah being an adult when when he's when he went to get to

get to be his entranial of a munyco and the yento that I heard of

him and the I don't know how to explain to be in that he was the

was the that's this is just just just the first part of the story.

Here here here here here what incredible or what incredible

that is this one of one of my favorite. a little

after the of the the doctor the munyco was there in the cell, the senior was there

had some some of the people who had was very very good was very good people, never had

never used never used and the children of the colony then they were to play they were

to play with the monkey to you know one day a nina he put a sabritas and a

a Coca-Cola the the nina and the nirer he says oh why why you put you put this

why you don't No, no, no, that is an offrendes for him. Why? Is that he cured? How, what you cure? If it was that year in the afternoon, me doled much my barriga,

he'd pay to me quitter the blood of the barriga, and, I'd tryd you, I'd tryd someabritas or a, or a refresco, and me quirked the dolor, and there's a lot to, the senior. But the young, cried the voice. In the school, in the primary, there's a man, that if you dole to your barrigua, you can't, you cure.

And a little bit to dole to his rodia, that's a day to go to the next to play. He cures her, or he he'll have to dole his rodia and he'll dole your and he's

going to go to go to the other days. The other people are going to say, oh, yeah, no, you know, they're going to

and then they're adults. The little the little bit of the world, there's a little bit of you know,

and you know, you know, sometimes the people, even adulta, when you have a problem very very when you're

so you're so far you and if you you're just you're a little bit a little bit or something

or something we're talking about we're talking about of a municipal in the 80s well the people

and the people were in not think that they're saying let's say well you know let's say

okay if you're in the manseptica if they're she can't okay no, let me pay

a favor for that you know to think he's a favor to you know a child

if they're they're in they're in sufferender no me don't me do you're not going to

think they're and the people and the I said he made a piece and a

days, regressable to give them in the money, aubrita, some gaities, your offending,

your offender their offer. What is what occurred at after this? So, this was like a year

passing. It was out of the press. In the moment, because even the church intervened,

but if was a virgin, a man, a little could be a miracle. But not you

know, they're not a miracleous a muneeco said the church. It's made the

problem, yeah. One day, well, the for that for this was a

seven there's many years of age. The she no could

come to work, I'm in not a family, much people, even of

Merida that had had been to be to be a little to get a

dispensate and even I'm to get to get to all this and then the

time when the father of this man he has a man he has a much

to say to get to get backations and they tell the the history of

the and the he said and the sir let me say what is

what is what is what that's going that the boy, that my

my little bit more he said he was he said he said the grand favor of to do you

to do you because you didn't have put it but you but he did it but he

was in pain he's here and he's devolving the favor and how

me is devolving the favor you you don't you can you can't

you can't you can't you are making little little favors or

miracles to the people and all those offerings is the food that they're that they're that's the way that my

future you are paying for all the same and the she's put in a year and say well I'm sometimes I've

to go to go to the church to pay limosda because I don't have any to come because she didn't work, no

I didn't work, no I didn't have any and that the people that's made the favors

Tiago, he'd have a defences, he'd he'd give a money, etc., could be she could live

of this so she she's like like the armen penna of this muneco he does the favor and now now come in the

one of the third part no they're not they're not even I'm enter of this case in the year of

2016 but like much a lot of you say you know there's a man who in Ticul and you

you know you know you know you know you know you know in the history in the

time you know I'm just I'm going to get a little if exist that munyco yeah And I'm

for my great surprise that the woman even I'm in the little I'm in the little bit of the

little bit more I'm sorry I'm talking about I'm in this time you know I'm a year of a old old old

and she's I said that I don't have the mucke I said I'm I said I'm I'm not

but I said I want to know I'm I'm a story and I'm particularly and I'm partick

I'm actually I'm gonna have to make a minute for and I'm I told all those anecdotas

I made a case very interesting the part I'm doing in this investigation is that

the third day me say oh yeah I need to you know I need to a surprise

I want I'm sure that I'm not my mind to that's I'm

but as I'm gonna have to I'm gonna let me let's let's see I'm

I'm and I'm he makes to do you I'm with the book I'm

okay oh yeah but not that the man you was the no

I just wanted I just wanted to I was in my story before to say that I was I'm talking something that's

very common in the people that I don't things of the museum. My God, I mean, I have a

great of this monieco for the child, for the favors that me has made out of

and because all the people who all the 77 years I had in that then I'm so I'm

so I'm not I'm not I don't have my things including Tiago you're going to

to throw to the basura. I don't think that this is a little bit of that's

in the I'm in the particular. I've heard that you have a museum

for a normal you know and you're to have a lot of I'm

interested in my story could you have this money

in your house in your museum and you never you

can't you talk. You can you can't talk to to the

people to the people you I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm fear that I me pass to something. Obviously, I said that if I gave to the munichu, I surprised. Because I think if, since the first day me would have said to be the muneco, well, I would

be a different, like I was in the affand to have it or something, but until the fourth day, practically, me said that, and I heard the story, me interested in the history. When me entregal the muneco, then it's the first, and fifth part. Okay.

Me, I'm a week, and at the second, more or less, at the, at the 15 days, more than, that me it's that I'm the year

I don't have any telephone cellar yeah we're in 2016 but not

it's a very very poor no I'm and I'm said you said

you know you know she's you know the same last no no it's

I'm I'm go to go to my back and I'm talking

what incredible of the so that's never never she never

never she she she me turned the mune she

said me said me said she Jueves. So,

like if I were to be going to do not more to don't know to do that when I'm

going to make a little bit of a little more more more than I'm saying, look, the woman was

she was not we'd be able that we saw it. One day we felt a lot of a police

because it was a certain in the body. There's two days of death.

Apparently, apparently, according they investigated and all, he goto, he got to the head,

and then the sign he was to try and because no I'm going to be a way, so

yeah he's a lot of because it's a time you yeah, he had two

days the time. So, really no was the way he said,

he said, he said, a day after that a day after. A day yeah,

it was a time, and he said, I can't, I can't, he said. The case that the

man, the man, I'm, publiced the story in the press, I've been a section

of last 13 years in the period of Pesso, the section of Enigmas, where I publiced, cases paranormal. That's cute. The people, the people that went to the history, and the

people that went to the museum, we'd play a story, and they could see, oh, they'd be very terrorific, but when they, listen to the story, wow. And at the day of today, what you talked about, too, you're going to see, right, the munke, Tiago, that's one of the stories

that most of the people, and it seems a tinder. There's sabritas, there refreshos, there's there, there's cookies, there there, there's, there what you don't have any idea. Still Complying

the day of it? Here there's, here's a very curious when when I'm in the

monieco we're the story and the people respond to a form responder

a form that I never I'm I'm just wanted to tell the

story that we I'm more resumida and the people and the people

know some some some some there's about that's

but oh okay I'm I'm I'm so please

you know I'm who said no but we We did the same technique

of the ballita because there was people who there was people who were people who don't think that you're

that's a truck or a negotiation or something. Pidle something if you want to

do you do you know you can't and then you can't and give the offender and you

think you're you're gonna like that it's a because including there's a grand car that we

have to have to have been the things pereceder abetas food etc

that they they're and every his history. This perfume that's doing because you see those things

and you say it's a lot of a story after many years ago a man who was a vendor he was going

and he was going mal he said to him apparently that's then he said he said he'd

help you and then you know all to know if it was suggestion if it was a miracle

at the month that he was he was very well economically the year and the

don't know a perfume yeah Tiago has his perfume exactly or one

person who also that also I'm in the infirmary that for that you go out of

the time and pass his examines and all he gave to do you and then

every object that has there has a story what you I'm

in the carterter there's there is that you have to get to be the

thing the most that we know when the people get to get in

an offender when a person was what a woman said that she said that

she didn't he said she did to be a when he went to

for favor he would help and at the few months he was in that's a and in honor to that's

a baby, one of his his robita he was to get a so I'm like I'm never said,

no, it's not, it's a problem, but the people, you know, so you know, that's that

you know, and that you know, that's a most medically could have had taken children,

but not they had detected, not had done to do something or something that the

people with the people with the people is very powerful and help. So, so are incredible

stories that we've been with relation to the muke Tiago. For example, the abel this part

like to say the things like if were all the things like that all the same time so does it

the same with the same with the famous law of the attraction where you

start to you start or you start a manifester things and at put a

object X where you put you like the thing and I do this

but at the same I'm I was this object X, inconsientiment I'm I'm provoking

a effect that can provoke me also. If the people are with the normal or not,

if it's for a good, and you go to do a case that I like much

also, that I don't have much with the museum, the not I

see if there's very common here in Guacacacac in a in a parisio.

In a many years, in Hocktun, a plow a bopold a poplado of Yucat

a a virgin, but impactant it was a bit supon that was a paradolea what you want to do you

know, where the family was a man the chief of family was very too, he used to the

drugs and not he got to work and the virgin miracle, miracle, and dole

what you want you want to he says he said, he said, he's, I'm,

he's he's to talk to talk to talk to talk to the husband,

Jorge me said my my marido still not not he no time.

I mean and not it was a moment of not it was a year and it's a year and not take so you know

so let me call him a suggestion what he said the sir for faith he said yeah I'm

going to take to take it so so if you want to make things positive

if they're in effect positive well welcome all this type of okay

I'm I'm I'm want to you know I'm I'm with much

honesty brother what has been your experience more more

more for now for you having many many years

of and having this museum that magnificent that

you you see there two experiences that for

the situation that you could say that are the

day of today in Yucatan there a city a

Islam Yzamal Yizamal Yucatan I've been many to

do much of doing investigations there, but in the year 2005, has yet much time, there was a river where constantly they'd say that

they'd the spirit of a bruise, that were in the lushes, that they'd things more raras. And a day and then,

I went to and see, I'm going to see, I'm going to be only, my collaborators, no, no,

I don't, I'm not a place of day, it's a place touristic, there, there, no,

four or five persons in that moment, there, but when I was, when I was a, It was a cerro

like four or five meters from the area where I was no way there's a lot of me. In a moment I found

things related to with my workeria that were in the piece and in what I was listening in my gravdora

a interviewer an interview that had had made a moment before where said that was

that had had fallen there was a d'ambuland and was molest because they had

been robbed those things in their house where I'm sure I'm sure Paco

was surprising I feel like two hands in my back in my that I'm to venting to venting

to get me down. I came like three meters to get around between the peterr, the hospital

three meters? Yes, fortunately not was not an precipice like that was a

opportunity to amortiguer the goal, I came in the security social of there

until the after the time I was checking if no there were a fracture

or unfortunately only were the Gulles. The Mayugones, like that's

exactly. And the people that's I'm going to see, I'm going to be to be able to

see, no there's there. I mean, it's that's that I'm not much more would have

put out. And the people, when came to the police, et cetera, and it's all, and they were

all, they said, no, well, he, he's abento. So, because they were, it was, no,

no, no, there was there was a moment, and of a moment, and the point we came to be

back, So they didn't. Evidently, I, well, I didn't even if I was, I didn't even if I was, I wanted to try, desivier, or something. No, no, no, but for nothing, no. But I do, I remember, I'm clearly conscious, two hands that me aggras on the

back, and I felt, because it was very very strong the empuck-on for that I'm going to go ahead, no? And, and doing the investigation and all, then, that's, that spirit, maligno that's been very dangerous. It was the, the one that was the evented, and, well,

in the hospital. And is that just like we've mentioned every place has a guardian. For that

there's that's there are people that are people that are doing to do the investigation and exploration

in camp is to enter and ask a permission to something or what that's there.

But there sometimes that even to do you do you do that's that you don't want

to be that you enter. And so if was someone who was was a

preensate for example was her his was her his house.

It was the place where he had his recinto, where he had his

work, where he his bad, and for some reason probably probably not

couldn't get in peace, he got trapped or in this space

time, while, while his property, not, so scofferient

because if had been more more more, three

meters, I, no, no, no do you know, and something,

and something, and a program in live. I've since many years

to collaborate on a program of radio in the section paranormal of a program of spectacles that were

in fruteria spectacular there in Yucatan there's a section paranormal where I'm in the

year in the year 2010, 2011 in that in that time was the program was of

the time I was a time to do an investigation, in a place that's a ex-estation of a traines

that called the house in the yorona because I heard listen to the day at one and quarter

one and a minute of the afternoon, we did the transmission via telephonic in that

then I was I was only while I was talking about in this place, I'm going to the people,

the people, and the people, and things that were and I never heard about. I never I'm sorry,

I think I'm something like that someone me evented, someone me empooed, I'm got my

cell phone cell phone antich, so it's, the cello the phones of the phones of the years, and the telephones of the

years, and the transmission. And it was the locura, because the people that were listening and what did he pass to Jorge, why he's a corto the transmission

and when they were talking to you, then they were to get to the call. And then I'm nothing to happen but if I took

the mark. Fistake there how was, how was, how was that the mark like the unas, she me

kept on the back. Of course, I took a photo to my back, because then when I came

to the officeina, because I had I'm the I'm going to the conclusion. In that

where I was documented by the person, had been interred clandestinely to seven

people that then they were in a accident of a ferrocarry in the years 60s of the

year they were in then they were they're still they're molestous these spirits because

there was there there was there was so that what is that's

there not it doesn't conformed to you know you something

you know when you you know you can't let's talk to the person of the

person And this other spirit that, of some mark, as I know I know like it's like

an advertency, I don't see if you do you know I'm like yeah, I think, yeah,

we've got about the museum, we've been about the experience that you have lived,

but I know, well, the people had to be to be able to see to see

in the program of Jordi Rosado this, the night he's arm

with Jordi and us talked about George of your investigations

now in camp where you know those evidence of psychphonies that's a me

me blow the head yeah tell us one of those cases that have

got to have captured sonos provoked by spirits okay look let us

we're there there are there's I have I'm there I'm more

a collection like 30 psychophonias wow but it's a trajectory of 20

years exactly exactly what you have to clear because you're the 30

not they're not some the last So, so, some 20 years. If somebody's 20-30

sycophonias of one year, no, no, no, and this is that is that I'm that I'm personally,

I've been to grab in my investigations because apart there's, that you know, that's checkas and even if you're that's real,

then as, as, as, as well, not you're, not you're, exactly, simply there's always,

but we're, we don't see remember, we've, we've talked, the, we're the, we're just,

that you, that platique that or I'll talk about. Adelante, brother, that's a of a case very interesting, no,

like always we're in a case, they're in getting to inventing to exaggerate things. In the year

2005, 2006, me had commented, oh, in an school in the

city of Yucatan, this, it's the sound of a flouta. I'd say, ah,

and what has to be, is that you a little a child in the door to the door

and so he's a clout that he talked because he took the class

education artistic. But it was like a legend urban, so like the typical case of that my school was a panteon, no, that's all the world says,

something. So, one day, so I'm to do a investigation with detail, because one of

the people who collaborated with me, had studied there had been to and he was, yeah, it's like,

yeah, no, it's, no, it's, no, it's, no, it's, we're, going to be a chance

to enter, and I'm with a master, and me said, yeah, the master in that's

the master of in the two years, three years was more recent. There was a little

he was he said, he said that he said to go to the house and he said in his

bicycle and in the court of the school he passed a trailer and lamentably it's notroped.

Then we we know we was that he was taking the class education artistic with flotas

et cetera um he liked much to to talk the flauta in the discance

in the recreo he put to play to play to play to talk and

At a raise of that he fallacy, the students, the intendants in the night said that they were in the sound of a

flau. And it's attributing to that you know, but it's very easy to say that you'll get

an evidence. Sure. For fortune, in that then, in this time, make an investigation

in the night, six nights that we're we're grabadores of audio, grabers, because it's, ah,

I'll leave, I'll leave, I'll leave, that's, that's all the question. Pardon? That's

you interrupt but it's important to make an emphasis on this. When you do this type of investigations, I go, I'll do 10 minutes, me do, me go, I'm going to, I'll go, no. I mean, so, really there's a job very very important. There's a lot, where you put, you know, where you put, you know,

because it's a lot of the school, a example, no, if there's a bar and you can't, obviously, you're going to grab the voices of the people, no, or there's a business, or something. So, there's a certain methodology, How many's the round where you grab the grader so that's

near the So the case that after after those six nights that's finally in one of the

one of the we have four grabers in parts strategicic in one of them she's

clearly the sound not of one of various flautas like if they're talking

a melody so I'm let's we're we're going to put much

so no we make the paus thanks Well. Wait now.

I don't know. You know, the melodies. And as a raise to that we're going to, in the moment, in the conferences that I had in the 2007, 2008, presentable the case, but the case, well, no, because we said, one, because we can't hear various flautas, and, And, also, we've to look at the melody.

It was the song only one of the song an old old. Yeah. That's a can gogleer.

It's a very, very beautiful. I don't know to who. Solomente one ever. Amen,

the life. That's, exactly. You can't Google it. They'll be able to see.

So, I always asked me, even we've asked to the master of education artistic, and

never used that melody, because now we're more recent the accident, never used that melody

in the classes. I always when I always had when when I practiced in the conference of

this case always I'm saying the question in the air why the question is not one

not a not a lot of that's a question a few an investigation was not

apparently the year but apparently the time there's much years and me

go and I'm getting that the little he was inamor enamored

of a chica of another salon a a month a Falta,

a second for his couple of when it was a time, and as a little bit of

that the person, he practicable that melody with his flout. He'd like to get her

serenata or in the school to talk to that a thing, dedicatesela. Lamentableable

he felles a time before and assume that his last time before he was talking,

I had the was talking the had the the flotta with him, was that was that that was

that to talk the fact he had put to a couple of

those so that the three to come the flautas it was a kind of three kids

to go to talk with the flauta the case that the case that he is

and not he can be able to come to get to this part because

that that song was in the school and why various flattas

and you know you know you know the world of the logic no logic no

because you do you hear because they're other two companions but they

don't do you. Well, but for some because, for some because of the

sound not of one, not of the other other that's

the time after after years after to know to that

a muchachita and that now now and that

I was she studied in the years in the second she

let's we let's we talk and then because you know

you know you How, no, I know, so I thought that's very much, well, well, well, so he was a serenata with this, and we'll show them to, you know, and you'll imagine, as, like, in the 2019, we'll show us,

this, this psychophonia. It was something, was a very commovedore, no, imagineate. At the final, he was listening. At the final, he ended up saying, a serenata, exactly.

That's what, is that when I wascue that story, and I, no, I could avoid imagine the rostro of this chica, that was the

man of this man of this young, and the way in how, is that they're saying,

something you're going to be to make to this life or this plan for many

things that that you not be here, that you not stay here, what

a lot of the people or the spirits if they get in here is

something that is something so like the exactly. Exactly.

Or all what? Something. Al what? that you ankl and for

that's and then the cases of that the mom is going to let the mom

oh yeah it's not it's the sentiment more like to love is something

is something and it has been and it has been that that's that's

that it's that encla spiritus to this plan and you

I'm to do a data a that I can know

I never had read in a book but for the experience that

I've done, I've done more than 2,000 investigations, fichate, in 20 years. No, I'll say that 25,000 like other

in less time. Now, now I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, oh, yeah, you're saying, oh, yeah,

I'm saying, well, I'm 15 at the day, well, well, the case, well, the case,

I'm, I'm, I'm sure, that I'm quite sure that the people, the spirits that are,

they're, they're, they're the ultimate that they're, in life. And if

your ultimate was something absolutely absurd, there you get a

example. And that's because we've investigated and all the person cubana

that was a city of so it's impactant what I say and obviously

the only one of to prove it's when one when one found you know, if

that person his ultimate his ultimate thinking before he did an infartes he did a

common with, with, with leech, he was going to and out the other, the vecino was to listen a whole

volume. The sir started to do an infarto, fallece, and a part of that

the moment, the people, the family and the people, see what curious,

no, the families that had some some cereal or something in their house,

they said that the cereal was to move and changed the

place. The platos of the leech or the boat of the leech they moved

and change in the place. And the radio was listening to some

music. And much they said because they moved the cereal until that they

investigating and hat cabos what was the last he was the first of eating?

I'm eating a meal. And with the tio, with the bula, with the

family and the family, that was very common that was a cereal, it was a

caja appeared in the in what is the mess of the kitchen or the meat even

even as it's many cases similar have passed because many people what you

think that's my second is you know I'm going to I'm going to you're going to you're not you're

not you're you're thinking in some in some in a series television and you you can't

so much examples that I've seen is the last thing is in what they're

in what they're but I'm generate a question a help. This

passes in all the people who die or those who are the people who in some

moment, I think that as people need to get to go to the light, go to

see the or they're to go to go to but so it's with all with

those who can't just with those that can't because look commonly the

people can't think that if someone is in car and

tragically it's is going to get because he's a pediment

But I've talked cases of people that falles and never never pass nothing in their family.

And cases different that in their leecho of death, like we're resignated to this and they

appear in all the days. I have for example two theories and this I've

limited to some for some I've given in the podcast of

because a spirit is the number one is because there is because there a

moment A sentiment, like the love, like to have things pendent, which is the which no does that your

mind, of your mind, it's a part of that so is here to get here and we've been

the manifestation. That is one. The number two is when you're before. Before your time,

as a person, this is a theory, you know, you're going to be to the 80 years,

but you're to the 60, Well, those 20 years that are restants you're going to start in this plan until that's that you can't

and you can't transcend. But I think that's a very, for me that's not that's not validness

because there there are apparitions for example in places this go very to seem

to places where they're so about of years very much very after the

time so where there's where any person will live tantisim

many years. So, for me, that no has not been until right. I, I, I would

think in the first that is something that that's at here, that can't get in

because there's a little the time of the time, because really the

time is relative. For us, for us, we think that the time is that the

hour is composed for minutes and the minutes per second, those are

in the final of that's, that's that's something, but in the

other world, in other other plan function of different. And

is the In the third, I think that were two but really there's three that the person, and you know

you mentioned, you know, they're the life so that they're that they're not assimilan, that they're not

they're in that lapse, that for they can be short, for us, they're they're

they're still and it's for so that they are here. And can pass years. And can

pass years and years, but as the time is different of us

to us to the other world, they can be thinking and are in that lapse

of assimilar that they're there's many there's a final you know what you say nobody doesn't know and nobody

you'll have to have to falles and then you know that's terrible no okay let's be

let me let me we're talking we're talking we've been about that we're in carretera of the

phenomena that are very commones in our our city in our state. For example,

I talked about that you Tehrieghes. But you have in Merida a phenomenon very similar

that I really me really I'm really a lot much too. The Alushes. The Alushes. Count me

about them. If those Alushes, fichita, in all the peninsula Yucatans Camppeche,

Quintanaro Yucatan obviously are being are very arraigated and there in many

places. The people, for the general, the people, the people, they have

a that is part of our culture, the culture Maya, where we're they're afraid to the

when really they're really when really there's incredible there's that's sometimes is the people

but they're corroborated in the years 50s of the year in 1990 et cetera was a

tradition so like already many people when I'm a house and I'm

a father for you vendig the house because it is Catholic and it's

a tradition in the years in the years 50s in Yucatat Kampech

and Tintanaro. It was very common that if you a house, a kinta, a quint, a terno,

or you know, you know, a shemann or a sacerdote Maya, and he had a lot. He what

did a through barro, primarily they were in barrow, he did a unyco, a muckito,

he put in the light of the moon, he had a certain and the moniqo to do you

put in your place, or in certain times but he was a guardian was to protect the

car, of intrusos of ladrones, even when when they put in the milpas or there

had been arborals for the and the animals not were even the people don't even the

people were in the people was a lot of and they said ah, well it's my luis protector.

What is what the when the sacerdotes mayas make these these these mucito

no caducan is saying they can be a certain years 200 years in a place and

these they don't know of the laws of so that there a

new do you If you, if you, if you compras a terrain in Yucatan where there was a lusch, you, legally is the new dwean, because you're going to be an intrusion. Exactly. If you

not is a ceremony, Maya, a ritual, the al-lush no identifies that you're the dwean, and you're going to try to take, or you're going to throw parditas, you're going to be this intruso that's doing here. And it's when the families, of prong, they're going to say, oh, is that I see a luch in my patio,

I saw something in my house and they are in my house and they're not they're not. So, so simple with doing a little

ritual, a ceremony, put a meal, Himalaya or other type of things, for you, you, to get

to the Lush, oh, yeah, I'm the new dwee, and still keep protecting the place, and really the

alushes only spant to the intrusus to the people who to get to a bad, to your

place, that's the situation real, are, they're are guardians, are guardians, are guardians, are guardians,

are the, of the kintas, of the terrains, of the casas, more than more than the chankees that really

are two very different a part of that they're they're they're like a variant of some type

of duende me atro to say but really are really are very different between them

what what I'm what I'm the attention of the alushes with with the

chenkees is that the people in some parts of Guajaca and so I've

told of many stories, pacted with the chaneques for that they're in terrenos, even bruchos, pacting with chaneques, for that these do you doorks or desentierros,

because I recall that in their moment I was with one of them, that I'm saying, is that I don't go to the pantheon, I don't go to that to take your job. Mando to the chaneques, so pacting with

them, and they are those who are who are and they're, or botan the job or they're They don't know, so they're doing the Alushes, no, they're not doing that service. But, but also

also function as like guardians. Persons that pacting for their milpas, embradio, his casas, babies, and things so, and it's very impressive. So, everything I started to hear much of the Alushes when the government,

until this moment that we're talking about today actual, because the still doesn't do you know is the change official, started to construct the train Maya. Much

people, of the fact I'm talking with some people because they were contracting for all the

parts of Mexico. I have two people who don't want to hear the interview, but who me told

that they were working as working in the construction and that really they were

to do some some ceremonies for that they were to advance the machines

parable these the carmions that are opening the way, they'd have done to

functioned, they're they're gasoline and they're totally immobiles and what

what I remember that me one of them is that some they were in cases

like to camp and they were in middle of the building all right

and they they're in the nothing that you're the only that you're the

light of your phone the light of your cell phone or the light of the

lantern of your and that there moments where you you do you It's all

dark and they're like they put in manitas or like as a case of campaign that's like

like it's like a and the murmuytto because they're like a exactly like that's

like they're but you don't understand and when they're just they're called they're called so so

then it's interesting the thing of the Alush I mean me I'm my man you have

you have some you have some history of Alush yes suppose. I have many.

It's curious that since I've been to the rest of mysterious, every time I've asked a question,

especially were in the Alushes, no? Precisely in the train Maya,

also me had to a one of the case very emblematic, no, if you took to hear it,

you know, you know, there's, you know, there's a point in the point of Alushes in

Cancun Kintanarro? Yes. Well, this point has a story incredible of

when it's made, and what was a In the years, I think 80s, 90s, when they built in this Pwente, the

Pwentisuk, it's called by the airport of Cancum. There's something that called, I'm called because

you're destroyed. There was a house, a casita of Lushes. No, you know, you know,

you're not for the style. It's said that when it was building this point,

in the nights, the vellators, the vellators, the, um, they were all the,

all what they had construed in the day, it, He'd, he'd be lost in the

things that said not a person not a person not could have been done,

columns very bigas bigas biggues and they said no it could be possible.

And the sacerdotes Mayas they said ohian they're they're on a

place there there's a ceremony Maya did you make a ceremony

Maya and they're a car kind of kind of pyramid like a

frame for the aluches and a part of that castileado no

it's constructed perfectly and there Stowe. These are in the years

80s, more or less, years 90s. A few ago, after two

years he did the amplification of this point, so, of the

carterter and the employees of the community of Benito Juarez there

in Cancum have the occurrency to demol the house because

for there was going to go to go and the whole between the Meme

and the chism and real said, no, man, you are

they So, how you're trying to destroy to destroy that? Sure. Incredible, because me took to talk with people who

demolied this, to the employees to make sure to do that calentura, yeah no they were to work,

they were to work and they're, they were in the person who were doing the ballantazzo because they said

that they were getting things little crossing the carterter. Exactly. It was

it was incredible. Inc., even there there were that corroboraban that, I don't have the

that in that carretrauma very conflictive there were 10 accidents in base of the statistics to destroy

in the point in what they were 80 so it was multiplied by 8 the quantity of because the

people said that they had to get the volentazzo because they were they're

and they're the amplation and immediately they were in a new casita to a little

a new offrendas put here for that so you just that that was just that was

just what was just what when when when they're consuming the train Maya. I mean there there are

evidence where they're where they're where they're these ceremonies mayas to give permission.

And is that many times the people, especially people who are not used to or not that's related

with the thing paranormal think that they can't and they can get and make a

and docket and it's that part of the story when they're when they they're

talking to when they they're doing that they're that they're that they continue

that they his hands. Because they when I when I said my supervisor said,

is that my supervisor said, no, it's septico, I don't think in this. This has to get to turn. This is not put to start.

The machine has to be a failure. They have gasoline, have been battery, have this.

So, we have to have to realize, but when they see, they're in order.

All right. It's all right. It's all right. Yeah, it's the logic, no. If I'm a little

to see this video, let me show, in where eight, six or eight Alushes,

they're coming in the mountain and someone and there's there's a lot of

a lot of the time of the same and it's very in the middle in the mountain in the madrugated

no, there's four years, that's four years that's very one of the people, it's one of the

people, I'm to hear of the point I started to hear of the and he begins to grab it and see this what you're

doing already imagine. Wow, thanks for the evidence of my question to be,

that's I'm about but it's important. Here the cheneques are known

for one one thing. Robar children. There are many stories here, many times

of that I was driving the cheneke or me were inviting to play and me per die,

or so like it came in a encant and you start a to come to comeer

to come and you're getting to you're and the person and the all, that reactioning,

and being very long, standing very lost, because where where were a way, it was a way of the way of

spina, and they were under a chisio. That's all the Chenekees many times because their attitude is very

pesated in the sense of that they are promists, they're just to play bromas. The Aluches are equal?

It's. It's all right. As far. Identical. There are many cases in Yucatan in where

there's they're , they're in the explanation logic and the

common is that they're in the alushes but there's the idea

supposedly the alushes to get to get to the mountain

for the magic maya and you convert in a second later

before it's supposed that those actual sacerdot mayas

of the chikos they those sequester those alushes they gave

that they were when they when they came and then there's the

great difference here these they And those who have had been had been

a bad experience because they're with the finality to lose to

disappearers, to play to do it's a problem or to end up or

there's other theories and there are only theories that we are based experiences

that they want to get in one of them they're they're they're

to be human to become in a being spiritual, but of this indole. And those chaneques,

according to these theories, of where come in, who those crea? The cheneques are known as as far as they are very very similar to

the Wendez, because it's about that are that they're living here before all, that have existed before,

even of the existence of the human and that they're in places where there are certain elements.

For example, where there are arboles, where there naturalesa, where there rios, where there

mountains. It's like the habit of these these are the difference with the Alushes, that are created physically for the Ascletes Mayas. There's, there's. But bet you to count how they're how they're, many, many, many

things. I like much of the time of the Alushes. You've seen some Alish? No, never, never I've seen a lot. You'd like to be one. I'm a meter of distance. Ah, let's see. Since we're talking you, has been a lusch So, no, no, no, I refer

to me, but there's a lotch here, okay, to be, to see, to be, let, see? Here, here. Here, no, only you're going to be, you know, I'm going to give you, I think

that I'm going to, I think you're trying. Here's, for that you can't be in the third camera. This is one of the modalities of the lusches, and I go modalities

because the sacerdotes, mayas as create those, there are people there's put in car of a baby, there they put

in some people there's there's a person adult and the peculiarity that they have

some are some things of yeso or other are made but they're some particularities some rituals

that are the light of the moon the lunna generally they put in the panes

they put in much elements those create and those they're in magic because

there are there people there's that there's that I've been a look and it's it's that

has that has that has that Anciano, why? Why? Because the sacerdotes have the possibility to do them physically to do to their own. And there are sacerdotes, that are practically

artists, artisans, and they put many different. In a museum paranormal, we have one that's one that's a morocco, which is a work of art, no? Wow. And also there are other sacerdotes, which are a little tockos, not have the facility to do physically a good

work artistic, but they're in the ritual and are active. So, at final of the way, is it's it's

beautiful, the luch that you have done, the important is that's ritualized

and that that's that I'm and that cover the to do it and there's they're

in series and then they're they're they're they're they're they're

so that they're like this that's that's to ask the people that's

not being inbruched not in the museum in the museum paranormal so

not there has no there's not there's that so as, as

as a guardianes. Okay. It's so when us the artesano that they're not the artesan

and we're to make them to make them a little ritual to bring the good luck and and so all right to

do you in the studio you do you do you do you what is what detects rapidly

the Alush the people with mal with bad or with malas intentions is if you

is to you do you go and someone intend to enter to to robar or to

do something he will move he will to throw pietrits, he'll be a bit of

even if there's even in my erita, of people that people who are to get to get to the play,

there's a time of the day, they're going to get all over, some ladron that's that's

that's that they don't know, when he's that has the light, they say, they're doing,

they're to turn, I'm, I think, I'm going to get a voice, various voices,

so, so, that the intruso, he's, that's, he's, go, no?

So, you know, so, it's really. This of what is made because,

I think it's like this vasica. Yeah, the basi is made to make to put in

their offender. Normally, normally, they put something like a chocolate, or something.

One time at me, you can put it. And this is a allegation, for so

of yesso with metal and other elements that's the put on. Wow, it's padrissimo.

I guess the effect of the eyes. Because there something there that even

you see as like the side, it's that you're, that, that's

seeing you. I'm spantastic because there's there's a yeah. So, it's like

that's effect in the eyes, that like that seems that I'm

like the people, like many people, they're much the museum, the people, the people,

like, like, like, like, like, like, That's a time of a dweening. And you'll say something.

In appearance, this is the appearance of a cheque. It's, uh, chiquitos, um, appearance like in the ninesnudos, cabos, some are those are poluditos of the spada, of pecho,

of the piernas. Uh, others not so, but really this is the appearance of a cheeneck. Well, there's, how you see?

Oh, and it's incredible. I thank you. I thank you. I thank you. I thank you. me I love

much the detail. It's it's a badriss and it's I'm sure that I'm sure

that I'm like that's like you're going to do you're a little or you know no no no no

I'm going to the Lush I'm I'm going to I'm imagine that Wichas also

weh wehas that were protagonists that were in the museum so that's that's three

which is the most there's the one of the Los Angeles California that is that's the

was made, was ritualized and much people stood with this week apparently after some years and it's

very pesable we've had opportunity to use it. Some of some people have been in some

graduations have been been seen testives of that they can be so but what

this wika me? The ritualized in what they used what is

what is what did you with her for to generate a car more more

more normal. Sure. Originally, they ritualized for contact to a family. A family,

of the origin principal of the is to contact to people that you know in life. So, originally

they were for that but when this they were to do it, they're or the, or the,

or the, they're they're just they're not, they've started to invoke to any person, to invoke

to any spirit to get to the spirit malignous were entering and they started to start to

have problems. No, but so yeah no they they want to have been to be the

when you know when you know what you and you can open a portal very negative. You in some

moment has played WIHA? In some occasions, yes, precisely with the curiosity to

know what that's what's true is, no? It's a that you do you do

do you do you do you? Or it's something you do you know, I know,

and I think I think I painted a line, no because at sometimes even you can

invoke a spirit without a a spirit that is negative, that you can do a that's bad

that's bad that you can be able to be doing things things fash so only for the curiosity of

how it's how it's we've done but it's after yeah. Because I'm I'm

who I've said, okay, it's because all start here, is necessary

man. Yes, you need you need to you know to have this

this should be desgracially, we're doing, we're doing to this, and for example, it's like when

I was a moment, when I saw, I saw, he knew that, and we saw, and we're the two, and it's moved.

Yeah, it's impressive. Because the two also we came to this point of it, we did it,

because we need, a part of there, mark my line and, and I don't do I'm going to do because have passed

things or if have passed things after after after after after this action, that for me

I don't like to call it and I know the I'm a because for him

I'm not a thank you because of Fepote. Today we we have this gravation and much

thanks to your team. I'm going to say this question but it's but it's

effectively because many times do this we do this we're doing things very rare

so it is necessary to do it's necessary to you know what you know because if

you can't you can't you can't you know when someone, someone, someone who's

that's you're going to understand. And is that I'm going to something. I'm sure that you're

to get to get to make to make sure in many stories, that there are people who have said,

I'm the more evidence captured by my telephone and so and the other. And when I see the

evidence, is a video that's being viral in TikTok, that has already in Merida,

has been origin in Sonora, it, but that person to say, I mean me has to be

are some fake? Yes, with much eh, I mean, the typical one of the one of the

question, you're going to think that's another person. More of many times me have been made out of

a video that you have seen many times the sound of the yorra you can

they're in the people. And it's where you see a light, and it's of

the car exactly, with a lightchita absolutely. That's that I've seen,

and the end of the thing, and you know, much people don't do

of mal-fay, much people of a bit of a lot of a lot of people in the people of

you know, I'm not really that my best in my Vecino a year grab on the patio

in the in the case, mann-mend me let me say, oh, yeah,

this video circuls in reeds, for a example. No, no, no,

I'm just that my person, I'm but you know, is that he he said,

it's that he's made, and the people, and the generally, and gennomomently cae,

cae, although there's another more to see, no, I'm not, I'm going to

see, no, but when really not, but when really not, it's, that's the other, no, the

little, the other, where's the other, where you're there's got to do the America,

of Colombia, of all the States of the Republic Mexican, of Yucatant, of my colony,

of all the all the other in the group of family totally, it's a really, and it's a problem

that's a point, it's, oh, yeah, this, this is, And as only

I just hear the There's There's one There's a There's a Where you say Where you say There's a

Where you see Where you So there's You can't You can't You can't You can't Because you can't

So much M've been Madado So much more Because one We've done Because for three, four times I'm done

And then you're You know, And so much But see, See, see, And then see, And then see, And all.

And all right And all right My mom, It's Yeah, so. And I'm They said to the flecha, no. They needed the molestia

to edit the different, no? And it's that much times happens that's, Jorge, even he passed to the president. Andres Manuel.

Ah, how no? You know? That's... You know? Increhable, but it's true. That's,

that's... I mean, and that's... Simply is that he's the that they're that they were and say,

look, we're, we're, we're, and it really really were a photo. And he did

a photo viral of other and of Photoshop. I think it was three, four years after. But more, yes. Yes.

A photo, but what was it was not a lusche, it was a but it was a image photoshoppedia and this. And all the people see a luce, no.

And the people that say, no, this is a photo of a original. So, and it's not a luce, exactly.

A much people have implicated that, no, that's unfortunately, many people can, but I do, I go,

the fact of where we are So much for to be in some form to be more people that's part

videos fake. At least we're going to learn much to give me a man a salute. To be able

to say that an evidence is real, the first is recrearla. The recreas and if you get to

call, it's false. Exactly. So there there are evidences that can't recreate but

if with the more technology because no can't recreate. No, for

suppose. And we have a responsibility I think we're in this thing, because we're in a lot of people,

I'm going to I think a okay, Jorge, I saw this video in that you're real, I want to know what you

know, so it's, so it's, it's inconvenient much to to us and so we're to see,

if it's real or or not, because imagine to the Playtruck in the program in the problem in that you know,

as president, no with that you imagine you say you say it's a day, if it's real and resulta that no.

I'm I'm crean to me, no me, no, they have been in a minute, just in you know,

you know, put a prove to the things. I've said, nobody has done the truth

absolute. There's there are there people who are in people who you want to evangelize

to the people, you want to you want, you really, no, I simply really, I'm

a person a man of the phenomenon, I'm, like you, that are, people,

people who have been years, George, years, deduely to the study of the phenomenon. And that me

impressioned because I, all the time I'm learning. I never to learn to learn. In every interview, I'm hailing information. And in this occasion, to be a master's like you. I'm honored much. And you're going to ask, some of what you want,

to give you. Some experience and story, something to give you to this chapter. Look, a case of the first that I've investigated, that I record much, no, because a lot, because it's the proof of the phantasas have been in intelligence and

if they appear for something very positive, no? After many years there was an accident of a man, a father of family in a carreterer tragically falle.

And, of the child of the 17, 18 years, me contact to do a investigation. The mom at first, no

wanted, but finally accept them. Because it's that the murder tragic to this senior, every days in the house,

in the department that the second of a house where the man, the a secretary, in a work

where he he was he used how he had a porre a carhom all the days.

They said I don't know that's ratones, never had passed. A right of

the death of the person. The sir, was very was very was not, but when

still going to do it. I'm to do you have done the other caron, all the caron, all the

we're doing apparently it's still it's still with the logic oh yeah, no has been

with a cerrager because at the more there's something that is that only in the

night it's just like some like some some of the people who are like some there's

like a lot there's a lot of a lot of a carjero was and they were and they

and they they're not just in the house because I think that the

caron they're that's in my time but resulted that the day the day

next to the two days they're they're coming the serragerer we're just

hearing us the ruido and we just we know that in this cajon like if someone

if someone if someone could be able the caron and for there's there's a little

and I'm you know, and you know the caron just so the papers but revisored the papers

no. If you let me let's let's have something there's a thing that's

that's because the person super-eseptic because the she can't be my

marido but the case we can't we're not situation economic

complicated because the the head of family of the general. It's always that

all revis the papers there was there's a kind of like a $150,000 $150,000

pesos that the manses had taken and apparently not he had

informed to the wife and and just when we check it was a carpet

above and I said, oh yeah here there's the policy, of what?

I'm no, I'm not I'm not I'm not we're not more than

it was yeah well taking in mind that you and I've talked about that the

sir never never had never had had to work, your wife's in a university

private, not they're they're in their job and then the death of the and then the and then the

thing we say oh yeah here here's here here's the security or not a reason that appears

the police et cetera in the cajorn to the three three months I'm not

never knew I'm never used that every day to hear the every day to hear of the

times that came to hear those No, here's the desperation of the man, the way back to my daughter, here's the money.

It's that there's the motive, for the while always we've been said, the motive for the, for the reason, the,

the motive was to know, the motive was to know, that's that she never had been to do the more, that's

that she was to get to the school, yeah, from another, of those they're getting money.

So, almost, I, almost, he, he was, and the caron and the

caron and the signora, no, because the serrager laver in the Cajon. Oh,

Papers. The desperation of the spirit. I really, I think with you think we're

much to understand much the context and the significate of a manifestation. Because any person that is,

there are there, there are no, there's a room, there's a point in the

public, and never you never you know, or there there's very cases where people,

ah, we're in a little story, ah, something to be the people

almost that people almost so they don't no importance. And is that this

many times it's a thing because I have talked with many people who

have been communication with the spirits and I said, is that why you do you

do you do this they're they're they're that really what they're a communication

with you and it's the only the only way that they're to communicate

and then person that person that's the car is making the what's

what you're really when when you you go and you investigates and you and you enter look at

what surprise so you know you know you know you know I'm sorry that there are grados

but no yeah a right of the experience that I've been this time it's classificated to a certain

way it's a little like the kind of when I tell you I'm going to get to a piece to

and I'm my desperations and you don't let get to the thing you pass with the phantmas

at times there are there are there's phantanas that you can't they can move

some taza, a or something, or you move in a cortina. There's a

energy more more than you can't be, you can't be like they're in life, no, if you've

been to be a person, and you're that you're about the person, you know, and at the

time you know, you know, so, you know, so this is a girl more than you

know, so much, that all the phantanas are like they're saying what they're going to be that's the grade,

and so it's the surprise, no, He caught in the news like walded of aggris to be

an interaction, they're in a yeah, and not you see this like phantasmas those are reales, and it's when

they're real, and it's when they're I'm, I'll say with Don Juan and Don't Juan and I said a year, like,

so I said a week, I was, I was, I've asked for you, and so I'm sure

that I'm sure that still impacting to the audience. Nutriida. Oye, we can for favor

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