EXTRA ANORMAL - Entregaban Personas a la Santa Muerte | Oscuras Historias de SECTAS Con Oscar Gherbert

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

En este impactante episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, recibimos a Oscar Gherbert para adentrarnos en las historias más oscuras sobre sectas que han llevado sus prácticas al extremo, incluyendo rituales en los que entregaban personas a la Santa Muerte. Con un enfoque en los relatos más siniestros, Oscar nos guía por un camino de misterio, creencias extremas y rituales de alto riesgo que nos muestran el lado más perturbador de estas sectas. Canal de mi Invitado: ‪@SeRegalanSustos‬ Atrévete a escuchar estas historias prohibidas. #SantaMuerte #HistoriasOscuras #Secta #ExtraAnormalPodcast

913 people were that day a cause of the discourse of a person that you talk about

to Christ no manches but he said that he had a bullet for him more

there and to have the peace eternal this this so I

in the 70s in the States in something. this rancho,

they're to the house and they're going to know that they're in

a lot of in litters in mess and they're all, but as they're not doing

doing. To be where are those 450 see to the prophets

false that says the Bible, so they'll get to the

the rio and the they're What I'm not going to be able to be able to be able to be. Spacuarias and I'm very happy to start

now with all of you this occasion the reality is that we're we're having a little interesting

a time a time that I would to titular it as one of the things

and this I don't because the reality is that I have censored videos for about

for about this this video my good friend Oscar Gerber how

you're very thank Thanks for the invitation. Here we are, the fact, as a matter as you know, it's a

thing that's a little, rispid, asper, even we're to talk there's certain points

that maybe to the audience and other sector not because there a delgated line between

the sectarian and a sometimes within the churches also there's this limit

that at these the same people revasen and can in a

creencia that they have with a sect. For you, where

a religion could get to get to the limits of the same, and

starting in territory sectario. In the fanatism practically in the

idolatria of a man that is part of the system of the sects.

In reality, when some people start to be a leader

religious like a messias, there is where it's where it's overpass

the line and over all when this segment of persons commens to justify crimes that

there's that there's in the name of God, exactly and the people

and they're to say that they don't have to do you they even they even

they even they even they're where it's where it's where it's where it's interesting,

all this thing to be going to what I'm saying of the notemano not is the

intention or not it's like me going to moffar we're going to we're going to always

we've mentioned over this mess and over the table of the messes that's that we're

people. 100%. But when one question or put the dead on the ringlon

is when there's these discrepancies in the creencies and overpass what we mentioned we

mentioned about that. That's a little little that you that you do you

do you consider to have to have to have to have to thinking critical, independently if form us part of

some movement religious, call me that Christianism, Catholicism, any, any movement, there's to have to have a very critical, no, where a leader, probably maybe

it's up to the head, so it's up a ladrillo, as they say, and he begins to more than the other, I think that is a thing

quite a lot. Before to start, family, I want to to tell you something is a bit

a bit of a bit of because we're to talk actions that are plasmated in the

history that were in the history that has been to be with this so, then

so for the delicadee and the same natural of the theme we're

to start censorando some things. If you'll listen on YouTube

so so it's to Spotify there is a episode crud

so before to start Amigo, I know that many you know in extra

normal, but if is the first time that someone that's being you know,

I'm like that you're getting almost the year a little more that we

need to we need to the project with us stos. And so here in the productora also

we've been just years just working in the redaction in the lecture of the work

that man the people with all his stories that are They're quite Trist, in

occasions, it's quite obscure, quite sinister, I'm a man, and then we're

to create content. Thank you. Thanks, your social. Oscar Herbert in

Instagram and TikTok and they're and they're and stuff and YouTube. Thanks, we're

going to start to get a comodod. There's a lot of those people that are

to start to do you need to do their work, in the work, in the gymnasio

in the home, doing labors, I'm a fort abrazo. Thanks to

all of you know you know I'm can't keep in my account personal

on my Paco Arias 369. There me can't where

I'm I'm already to submit to only for my personal

where I know of certain things that I'm to be about the natural

of the phenomenon. Of the same, if it's the first

is the first is to start the campanita and in Spotify there's a button that says to continue. Unite and be a member official of this

grand community, that is podcast extra normal. We're going to start, Oscar, we're going to enter to this platica. Fjate that before, it's a time on Netflix, a micro, no-seek how

call it, documental about the light of the world. Me, me recommended, and it, and really, I I think the story is Nasson, Nasson, Joaquin.

So, is. It's, is. To see, be as a leader religious, he went to have the control and the manipulation of a, I go, of many,

hundreds of millions, no see, call it millions of persons, a raise of that from his abelel, they've,

they've got to build constructions in many parts of Mexico, and, and see how he had the control over his

obejas, as he said. No, how he could electing, who was going to and what strange and the feo, no, the fact of

being in service and look at the public and see that there was a woman, um,

wapa, of eyes of color, a beautiful and say, trygamela. The massages that he

had, he liked to them to massageer body-a-curepo without a prenda in their

majority chicas young, some menores of age and how were manipulated before

before other woman that they said that this they were in the name of God

because he was a mann't the manipulation mental we'll let me

to a point important not is God not is attack

or or a sort of powerful like the God, God Creator.

Because I think he is very obvious that he reprovaed all these practices

but those that's people who we mentioned in a principle they're all the

stribos and they start to act to a form a criminal as you do you

so the abuse to the children's the manipular mentes the

saying I put to your person but when I'm to go to my

camera and I regress. I mean Firtes, that are the cases that we're going to

talk about in a rata. Because it's a cults to cults. So, this is

we're in all parts. No, I'm going to say, this is the good,

no, so, really in the grand majority of creencies and it in all,

we're top we're leaders religiousos that get to a level of fanatism

impressive amazing, am. So, is what we've talked about, the

fact of put a figure a leader, incquestionable. The case of the dynasty, Joaquin, is a lot more. And, also

make emphasis, that not just in things religious, there is this type of lines that are put to rebassar. I know that this program, and you are a person apartivist, and I want to make mention about this. When recently started the

episode or the capitals of The Serregal in Susts, that we'd try them a format more laxo, a format of more relajou that was a little chaotic

and a matter of a moment in those first episodes I'm to make a problem with a problem

and it was a problem totally absurd was a was a black and I think that it

was that's percived because we were talking we're in the house

and like we're not we're we're so it resulta that if a pair of

people heard not that was a transgressor not was not

saying something malo. And, of course, I mean, I'd like to scrollier there the cache of commentaries, and resulta that if, some people, a pair of people, heard what I did, and I was mention, with, with things political, because there you go.

I'm put to learn, and says one of these persons, with this person, not you metas. Uh-huh. About a new leader political? Yeah. And I, I mean, the commentary, me did a risa, and he said, that the program that's a regala in

sustos, was a program to come to relaxes, no, that we're a partidist and we're not we're in favor, no, contra of nobody. And, and I, like, saludos. Apart, I terminate the

commentio, there paraphraseing to Voltaire, so, like, to, you know, to tell you can't tell you, who's the kind of, you know,

and me again, and me says, no, no, do you, don't, do you, don't, oh, yeah,

that's, oh, yeah, I'm, this type of this type of commentaries, because, to enter

these more of 30 millions of reproductions in a video that's regal in sustos. God,

you know, I'm not I'm saying that this political be the causeante of this,

but the followers. And I put to think, I have a contact there in

a red social, a old old known, that is so so that

so that's so this person is very, very, very, very, very, very fan of this

the figure political of the I'm talking. And result that starts content in YouTube and it about a

future and that the voyage astral and that's encounter this person. And the relato that is so fantastic

his expressions of how he says, that will take the direction of the politics and all this?

Now, how many millions of Mexicans here in the country? How's millions

we are? Imagine that there exist a segment like these people at that level

of fanatism that can be if you're going to the society, and I'm

I'm saying that the figure that's a thing that's a lot of all the political

know, how they're they're having assyartes and they have been this person

figure political as a many years and it's an alarm for me it's a

detector to say oh, fiat that you you're getting a little

back back, no, two ragita so this level

to elevate to the people common and corrient that if they have done

a preparation and have got to have done the vote they've done those adeptos and they're

people, but they're people people, and then we're going to use this word and not because this person

it's, but how many dictators, we've known we've known during the history that in some

moment they're a discurs so of the idea, in reality no, we're going to we're

in the Second War World War that this was a was a totalitarianism so, so then

if it's to be a dangerous for the society that exist there are people that are in

a pedestal very, very old to leaders, religious, political, even in the sport,

no? Ah, sure. Exist the religion of Maradonda. Yes, no,

I've not found someone that's like, so let's the cabras to that

that's a level of to want to that but it is true. I think I think

the fanatism in all those facet is very very Danyno, is malo,

because no, no, we've to get to get to this point. I'm a

question for you, and with this I'm to start the first case. This

case that I'm going to talk is real. But what what he made thinking is,

revisand the email, I toped with a same, what I make a

mind, I'm supposed to be being, and I'm saying, no, is you have

the truth absolutely, no, I'm doing cabos. This story

that I'm to tell it has a much to have with

a news that came in Mexico before a

years 2012 and I think the person that

the person that but question the cult to

the great has been one of the most great

with more more in Mexico but what what

this cult is with people that people blood

can have protection and a lot of things. This case,

as I mentioned in the 2012 with a family in Sonora. Here

the protagonist is Sylvia. Sylvia Silvia Maras is the person

that is the person that is the person that is the person that

has that's his head influes in the people

in the family does, or they they've been a idea a bit of horrible

because it's the word that's really askerousa malignant and the people he comes

this idea. A family in Sonora the news was if a family in Sonora assassina

to his propions during a offender to the Santa Morte she

she was she encargable to do rituals in his and sacrifice human

men. Delante of all. She said that at this, at the

of the and offer to this deity, they had protection, they had money,

the famous abercamines. So, the of being constantly to the Santa.

They thought they could be in in any situation of the began to do a practice

very common until the 2012 that was practically when they're they're

to get in these people and I'm talk about about it for a little

some annotations because the reality is that no the so the

horrible of this not only are the same sacrifices the to get

to people people people people ten years ten

years a little an angel to get it, Matarlo to the

poor form desmembrar to drain his and say you'll give you

let me give me economy give me good suerty independently of all

maligno they're to get to a great of ego to rebatting

to a person to have a person to imagine that if if it

was but not it is and this as a last a a rato

was for the same Sylvia who she was the author of all the assinators and to convince to his

families to get these sacrifices to his house first first that the first person

that was Cleotilde that was a friend of her family also in the 2009

and she was the first sacrifice then then she went with

his chastro Martin Rios of 10 years and then

they went with the nephew, Jesus Octavio, also of 10 years practically

were two children. And during the rituals, then the people, the time of disappearance

said, but that's certainly the family in malos no,

is an adjust of counts, it's delinquency, no, no,

no, no, not even because the same because the same the same,

no, so simply all all the world was callied and the death of the little

Octavio was what gave to the authorities to investigate and it was that they were

that the people were in the terrain to the arrasurras when when it

is the interrogator Sylvia mentioned that she she is convinced that she

she to offer the idea to bring benefits not only only she and

all his family so economic and all what

I mentioned the here the Triste and the strong is many

of this family were present during this ceremony. Nios, adolescents. It's

about that when when happens in these situations a department

recoges of the government recoo to the menors and here we have

the notations that are the two and five years who

have participated in the ultimate RITo where was the

Goyado Menor and the Institute treatment and application of measures for adolescents and T-A-M-A

has a young of 15 years. Here is the more strong still. A child of 15 years that's in

rehabilitation because all her life, for many years, she was used to be how they were how they were

and it normalize. She, in more of a occasion, he took to participate

and it's like when but you pertains to your religion and if in your religion is normal to do something and you get and you know

you do you do you do it's normal for you work with this little for that that's

change again again you say you know this is bad your family your family was bad not.

No is good to get this this or so it's a great work and it's

a job and it's a a little complicated because for many years to be

used to to be used to be to be able to do it and she she said it's normal

it's normal no that's that one of first you know that your family

is committing a crime and that all what you think you you think you

can't all your panorama is to try to a form

mental very this is the is real it's real you can to look at

internet but when I'm I'm trying to my story this person this person is a name

branda I don't know if it's a man real, if it's false no I

know the but in the Correo is like Brenda Benitez no me he said

that was an anonymous she she she knows she she knows

they're going to get to this not this not she she

that live in Mexico. No, not us exactly in what state of Mexico live. But she

titular the Correau Discovered Secrets Obscures of my family, and not know.

Brenda us found that she lived with her mother paterna.

Because unfortunately mom and she and she she's to get a cargo

with her abelita. Her abolita was curandera. Her death, and sometimes

a bit of satanism. She was very ligated, she said that his abuel had in his house,

the place where she had curable with herbers, had his santa, had, there,

a statue also like, the there's, where they put in a cabed,

no, with a member, and, and, it was, it was, it was

all very normal. Constantly she, she, the abelita, actually

ceremonies of agredercement to the Santa reunying to the family. All

in the chrysanism do something that they call cellulas. When they come

they're like the power of God. Well, she was she was but with

the Santa. Yeah, she had these ceremonies in their house,

they were there parientes and they were there were and they did

they were all the all the bad the spiritus, well, practically, as to

we can't say, that not they didn't do to do any, it's a chid, all contrary,

curable a family, and this and the other. The majority, here I want to say an emphasis,

and this me caused a little of intrigue. The majority of my tios and tias

were pardastros. So, that they used with parages that they had children of the two different

of them, and they're not. It's not. It's a It's great The detail is that in that

family there were many people and she had a moment where the the primos

they're to find out in the man he said no, well it's that my son

my chastro and about us about especially one the first Emiliano

she never will forget to to emiliano because was the more he was

with the more Diversion, games, and simply a day he's he's

he's when she he's when he said, what he said, he said,

no, his friend disappeared, we're, we're going to a calm like if

no, it's not important. At the the months, it's,

a prime, but they're like, but they're like, chastros, not they're

family and so it passed The kids were disappearing but she

is that the family was so normal not they were like a mom, a papa preoccupied

for their kids. No, simply said no, it'saparceo, no, no,

let's see we're we're and so when she did, she said up to

the 14 years. For that I'm that I'm that I'm going to this family.

She said she said she was that the day of the offender so

they were a ceremony that in the house of the abuela. So,

I was the offender where she participated at a certain point, but not they had to

get to the ceremony complete. They said they were to be that they were not normal

to be in this ceremony but in the morning of that his same day, her

her little she said and he he said, he's today, you're your

and you're being in all the ceremony complete. Sient your I'm not really

I'm going to say something probably what you see as at the first you will be spantar but I

think you understand this is something because it is necessary you want you want to

have a good life to find a good husband to get a good

we all we all we all but a sometimes there is there a price

to pay and we're we're we're we're things that are

some are good for those are And she didn't know what I said exactly that. Well, he said,

look, just I'd say, that's and you know what you're going to see, not you spankes. It's something

good. Look, that the santa has been this and the other. Okay?

Geygo the night and it was the moment of the ceremony complete. In that

moment, she, she, she, she, like one of his primos, was

abodasado and He was amarred. And in a mess, like where we're, they're sitting, they're, they're in the

courier, me put, he's not said nothing, but his eyes, they'd for all the

eyes, I, me, I was, I was the that I was the most me was,

and in that moment is when the abel is when the little, a cuchillo of

a cocine, and he began to demembrer it. He said, he could

grittar. He had something in the book that no he had but the eyes

those are greats of the pain of the I'm saying. I said I don't

understand and my my old and me said calmate no no

doesn't nothing that I imagine and so me makes so much so cruel

so that miserable for part of these people and

it was when she understood what had with Emiliano, who was the prim most

amado, that really all those those those disappearions had been in this ceremony.

That night he was he was he said that his mind registered a part

that never he was never is the part where he when he when

he had this this this this cuchillo clavado in his

body he he he looked at the eyes and she

had a she had always recreatable the moment where

a this little they were they were and

she attempted to assimilar us and that of

what she lived changed dramatically she got she was

she was a young solitar she He started to isolate of

all the world. Because she was trying to understand to her

but at the same time to understand what was the suffering of these

people. The most scalofriante of all is that is that is that

is that a very drastic in one on a occasion says

that he he's he to be his abuel that

was in the recint something something normal very normal

and her was She was inked Delante of this figure

And I I'm to learn exactly what she she said that's her

and he said a Brenda if you let me time she was she was

she was she was supposedly this deidad she had to her

unfortunately her family was detenida but she no

me No, me do indicios of nothing to where it's a only is a correau

and I remember to have been read, but right that I'm put to read this

note, no say, probably it's other family I don't I don't idea but

me to make this great incognita and really was that family where was where

there was where what I'm sure is that today are being having people that

people who think that think they're and we've seen in other episodes where we've talked of narcosatanical of the side

of the darko-oscuro of how some people have certain practices of the santaia to other level pass with the plenas with how arm

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get to do things atroces. It's not because it has to be with the adoration to the Santa, mentioned. I have there a pair of friends, amigas, that

me to talk to conversar with them because I'm going to generate a

debate of your credences. I'm like to ask them question and I

say one of them is that there is a bad conceptualization about what is

the Santa Morte and what's practice no a cause

of an ignorance right that you just that's talking that's

talking and I remember of a program that I was when I

was a young and and I I'd have risa the manner in in that

they're in that's ironic, because it's actually ironic, and there you go. After much

time, I'm this program, and are of these that are the day a day of the famous city of

Mexico. I'm I love. Saludos to all the people that's this program

at through the YouTube in the city of Mexico. Salos. Saludos

to all. I've an person that's a person who's a He has, in the transport

public. And this person mentions his modus how he a day-a-day and what me

call the attention is how it's how his relato, his narration. Okay. He says that all

the days when he his mom he does the bendition and he says that the virginita

of Guadalupe he'll do you protect. That's for me is ironical and is

incongruent with the creensions Catholic. Sure, because you're going to do your progium.

Exactly. It's in the 10 mannements, no robaras. And I have a family that's in

a city of a city of Mexico, that they're saying that they're even the other people,

they're even his capilla of the virgin and is great and they're here and they're there's

these, the bellator, the flores. And it is a family is also a delinkeed

and it's a practice common that the when the when the kids are going to

work, and the well, it's the best of the virginity and that the virginity

us, no, and they're on the when you put you to think, the other

side of the people who get at the three and four of the morning

and the transport public, two hours, a sometimes they're different

types of transport public to get to your job, to get to the

day to they're supporting there things in the offices in the

different different in... Cansados. ...cansados, all this. And resulta that these people also

receive the bendition, no? Yeah. The part of the mom, of the

husband, of the husband, and the other other side, these delinquents get them, they're

and they're to pay collegeitur, you have to pay, your obligations, you have to do you have

your obligations, you need to put them, in this same panel put these two things, and you mentioned about,

the point because the point of part of the virgin is the mother of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is a child and the

whole-powerose and the total-powerose and he's much time he said, and there's where comes a contradiction

and you say that's that's not graveoso as a sacrifice a sacrifice of a

human, in this case, in the note that you know, but how

these variances or these discrepancies in the system of creencers to

do you have to do things even atroces, and there's when when a sometimes one even

really, not, of this type of things. Oh, and no, it has to be with

the religion Catholic, or the Christians, and nothing. Simply is to do the signalament

of that your system of your system of here, is a bad. Exactly.

No, it has any, you're not, and I'm for the thing of the

same because also they're congeating in camions errone to this

type of veneration to the Santa Morte. It's for there

They say, no, the people, take what they're very, and leave the compromise, because talking of a religion

Judeo-Christian, in general, about that Catholicism, Christianity, all what has to be with Jehovah,

there's a base, and a base has their rules, and there's, and there's a, person,

it's, pertenes to a religion of these, and pass to what we're what you're saying, I

see, I, I, I, I, I'm incommend to Sanjudas or me commends a tal santo, but that me cuidy, that me protect, if I'm to robes, or so, d'Ate count how the people

not know it's not, they know that's bad, but yeah they adaptan the creency to his style of life, and they want to give sense, of that form, even that's the most tonto and incongruent

to say, bendiseme, and I'm in what I go, and chingo to the person that comes to to work, as you say, can't have been to see a family, maybe with with debts,

and I'm, and I'm to pay me and let me to assault it. It's something that's an absurd, but

unfortunately is something that's something that's a lot, so, I don't, no, I don't I want,

I really, I don't want to offend you a person, but if you're one of those people, let's see what you're doing is something

is something incongruent to say, yes, sir, this, Cuitam me, and I'm going to get to my

man, I know, it's a thing, a thing, a lot of a lot. It's a

thing that. It's an fact, but the fanatism to congeva this, and well, the fact

that you have conducts erratic as with your people, with your family. And I've mentioned, and you've mentioned,

if your system of the person and these people start to make yourself, probably your system of

creencies Exactly. It's supposed that the creencers are to make us connect with a person supermo

and have a life, a life in a life in a more, in peace, in harmony. And if

it's not there, I think to be to do this, why it's going to this and

why the people don't want to be to be this. There's a case,

mentioned that in Mexico, but there a case in the United that has that has

to be with the fanatism religious. So, mention that the sects,

are small groups separated, not of philosophies. Philosophias, in this case, with Christian, catholic, judas, and for there are making

their segments, and they're growing in-cant-a-deptos, and they've been their own practices that they're justifying. There's a story of James Warren-Jons.

Okay. Those Warren, of really, is that are a... Yes, are a case. Yes, are you. They're going to see, they're going to be, they're going to

see those Warren. Oh, it's a goodissimo. That's episode. Well, resulta, that person, this new, nace, for there for the years 30, more or less. Yes. And, yeah, and a place where

his family is conformed by Papa and Mama. The Papa is a veteran of the First Worldial, and the mom, there you go a dot, that we've mentioned in the Regal, in Susts.

Uh-huh. The mama it doesprecia. Okay. the pap, for the

war, has problems in the pulmones. And this makes that the Lord

not can't have a work because he was in the war used

certain substances chemics that made that this person the

father of James he so so mom, said to the public that,

well, she was, she was a child, is a boy practically in house, and resulta

that a family adopt, a family pastoral. Okay. The one, the one of the eye,

well, is the husband, the pastor, the cobija. He was he, he, yeah,

yeah, she, he's, I'm very little, he's, and he gets to observe the

two vertientes of the family. So, is the family amorosa, that has

Fundamentos Christian and the other other side is a father traumated by the war and a mom who doesn't know

now imagineate how it's a different a infancy of that much confusion yeah so he

then he starts he'll start and he starts and not only so that he doesn't that he doesn't

the work of the person the pastor the leader yeah and and a he was

he had much the attention even had a personality and he had a leaderasgo nato

He begins to hear that the Lord read the Bible, and he gets to go to the church and has a facility to learn in the versicles. Me record much this video

chistoso of the little evangelist. Yeah, I see. That's what we've seen. And resulta that he he's enamored

too of this part of the leadership that starts and in the history that's mentioned that a sometimes,

he had a group of the young of his same age and he was evangelizing. And when no had

children, agarrava that the pherrots, to the gattes to the people, and also

I'm going to be able to be able to his reunion or his congregation there, no.

It's growing. And when when comes to the second war world,

there is where it a little his perspective. But no he's but no put in the

eyes, and I'm going to give the doctor, put the eyes in Adolfo Hitler.

Okay. And he said that he was impacted for the way in how the people was admired,

in how was he planted front to the masses and he gave a discursus. Even when

I saw people in States, he had the he said the he did the salood

Nazi, no? No manches. This he was formando and I see an area of opportunity

there, quite visionary but unfortunately took the good and not

the mal. Okay. So, so he's a gestar an idea of a, of a,

of a, of a, like I want to have a leadership over the person. It's

makes more great and he knows a Marx, he's a marx, he starts to get

to get to be fascist communist. Okay. Yeah, to get a age adulta

and does his own the church the church of the people, called, it's

to generate adeptos in based to what was to religion? Christianism. Christianism.

Okay. But record and a little more back back the fact of living

only, there's a story even not so much that was a little very bromistic

but in the other of the church where I was, he was back

and he was he with his propios orines and he liked to robars

the offrendas and so that so or so so so

he started with with certain things in your head

that they're doing to get to when when this

part of the second year I mention that in

that in that there not exist these movements

that could could and protect to the race

afrod descendient and he being a person that that

defended his ideas that people, making ojo that in

that's they were in a problem racial. So, so there parts where they were

not they didn't get to the afrodentientes. He was an opportunity there. And he

said, I'm going to do my own own so that, but not only that's, but in this

place, we're to live in harmony, in peace, and it begins to create the church and begins

to generate adeptus. And it was a person admirable because that was a

leaderasgo nato and had what the people mentioned a

The people It was going to grow Uh Uh creased And so his idea

utopica is being more tangible at the grade of that he a property in Guayana

a place a place a and so all the people of your congregation to

that's to make a new people imagine the magnitude of this What ambition

you Yeah now when the family of the people that form a part of this congregation that has

they have tints of sects and they're to beacupers because they're to be to be

and even they start to change the names and the first problem

that took is that one has to a baby and this pelafustan says

that he he's that he he's he's because it's Those were the first problems.

All right, for the first, it's all over, the barred. Resulting that in this place, that's a while, Guayana, they're going to to build their

houses, they're going to build a society practically, and you're there like certain foquitos, no,

in the States that's what's going, what's doing, this person, no? Uh-huh. That's just

he's called Jim Jones. Resulted that then, then they're to build, but no it's

so beautiful how it was because it's supposed that was a society isolated,

a little where nobody was simply the people and the

difference that he had and the rest of the others that

they do do is that he was that he was in austerity

in this place his house was normal the only

the only advantage that he was the other was the

food because his food was fundamentaled in aros, frioles,

and parolet and he could eat to eat, he could have there's like his and the

people who and the people so the people to get to get to yeah and yeah, and yeah

this part like the the foco rojo starts. Resulted that in that place

there was a practice. The practice was consuming a hugo rojo and this

was like a practice pre-partida of this He said that, apart to be there, in some moment, they were to go to a place more,

to the paradise. Stando there, agarra-technics of a dictator Korean in that then he puts bocinas in the place, and

he begins to put his messages, his discurses. This is a lavado of the time. The people are listening the

voice of him and is a very thing. It's what is the thing. They are in a place

from their people natal they're living in other country, in conditions deplorables and they

are there. Now, the youth obviously always will be be rebel and this also is a

point very, very crucial. If it was a questioner. Resulta that the

question about there was a poste there was the posto of terror.

In what it was it was that in this posto a monster the

people that was this place, and the people said that if it was tortured by a monster, those colgaban in the pozo, and this monster those would have, he

held to the feet. But it was a person, or was a monster real? It was a person that was an employee of he, had the order to

even to even even to do you, and then they'd get to be obviously, they're obviously, I'm obviously, I'll be to be a leader.

What you mentioned to the rato of the baso, it was a practice that they were like the pre, to a

place better better. Resulta that in the United they're

all the alarms and they manned to a political to Ryan they're

to be what's going to what's in the South America yeah they're

getting with a group of people they're they're and they're they're

doing that the place because it's so much there there

people there mention that even there's this music, there people

there's there's there's and he to talk to talk to and he he's the

question, no, well, all, so they're here, all of all right,

everyone have in the house, everyone is a person that's a self-sufficient

and this person Ryan, then, well, okay, so they're okay, so

it's like, and when they're go to go to get to get to the way

and they do you have done and they say, and they're well, I'm going

to go to go to and that was the first suspicions of the okay, then

not is so much they're to get to get to do diplomatically not it

in son of war simply was to observe that was going to

all that people that was going to see and when when they some people

aborded a Ryan and as of a film of terror they're

a paper to he says salvanus. Ah, this man. They're

in the vehicle where they get and there's a conato of bronca between

Ryan and the man right of the right that the

people when see this conat of the vigias

the sentinels of this place go in this

tractor and they they're that they're trying to

submit to What are they're, rafagued, to the Americans. They're in arms? They're in arms. All right. It's. They're all that.

They're going to be with the mission to talk with this person, they're not. And the other, the other people who get in States, and in that time in that they go to States United,

he's up to John's to to talk with the people. And he says, the practice is the time. Today is the moment to put in

march to what we've practicated. Resulta that agar vassos and they're to enar

with sianuro and make a mixla with alcohol and with a pharmaco that is for the

convulsions Uh yeah of the signur when when he gets the

the body it's and it and result that the first in ingeririr these are

the because there were no there there had more more

more of two hundred How do they did with gheringas? Extrains the liquid and it was for the endro. Evidently

there were mamas that were not this, no? Sure. You're to lastimating to the

little but it. But it was so, so, so good in the discourse

that it that's that I'm saying for there because there was there was

there people who had been the time in this ritual.

But not the option was to get and to

consume this substance or or when when you go to

the line of the front of the order to

do the order to die more more more

more people that day and he he he

and he did but but the the death

of he was so that he did a

a ballaston in the head. Acabarer rapid with him. Yeah, yeah, the people

of the United and does all the investigation. So, they're in these

gheringas, they're in the garrafas, the vidones where had they had

the cyanur and all the substances that were consuming nine 1913

people were in that day a cause of the discourse of a person that you

talk about to you know manches but but he said that

had a a and to have the peace eternal. This so said

in the 70s in the United. That's great, man, because

imagineate I go, there's people, like you say, nace with

a leaderasgo but what is a most when you have a

past that you have perciating with these sombras of your

past of your ancestors and how were of the bad people

and how you get to a where here is an area there's an area

opportunity there's there's morena and here are here are very and get

to count of something so there's there's there there's there

there's there's I'm I'm so many movements actuales that

come to have pastos very very hostiles where are attacked

but yeah for that niche to say I come

come come and come here here with me are well, there are

practices that still being being being the same there not we're in the 70

but the manipulation of massas still still being looking to get to new

niches and awas and said my oldita me I repeated

much a phrase that the that the he has that

he has that they questionen all. I want to talk about the case of Carmen

Rios a woman of 25 years, mother, the interesting is I don't know if you have

passed, I'll do say a parenthesis. A sometimes we have families or that professes a religion

and a sometimes we're like we're and they're doing and it's chido no, so they're

they're unen and congregan, elevan their level of frequency and they're going to

learn and they're to ask to Kermann she was the recina religious and it

was normal that his people were in the front of grittando or and yorando

because they're they're they're they're normal Carmen said

that he had I had some in the God he was he said

that the thing of the world was and that she and her

and his children were they're they're to have alavans

and and a lot of Something that we can find in the majority of churches of people

that have the don't of the prophecy, that is very normal. But the strange is when you makelas

creencies, you say, you're saying the incongruency and right to say, because the family,

the people, they were accustomed to hear, in the nights, these days of

oration where there there were gritts, people people and of all.

But at one occasion the grits were very feos. So, yeah not

grits of alabance and of jubilo like they're grits desgarradors

of the dolor of suffering in this moment those the because

I imagine no and I put in those so so today

not not is normal what we we're not not are not

the typical grits of people that are people

are so they're doing someone they're Resulta that this woman, with a Cushara,

he quits, the two globulos oculares, to his own when he gets to the policee, they're going to find the little

in-o-o-o-o-o- I imagine, and it's a realdered a film of terror, and this woman was in

a crisis nerviosa, saying that he did so he did for his own own own own

own obviously the policeies proceed in this moment, they're

to get a little to services medical, and they get to some mom,

they're to get a moment that I have the notation that they were there

people that were people of 40 years, 48 years, 22, there

there were people people people people, and the impressionante is that

they were like saying that were normal because God

he said that he said to the car to the eyes. Yeah, when

they're this past, pardon, before this in the state of Mexico,

in a colony of Neseauau Coyot exactly San Agostin atlapulco. Carmen

Rios Garcia, that was the mother of the little was learned,

as well I mentioned with a person, a man, a man of 25 years,

another of 48, two chicas of 20 and one of 22. They're they're

in that moment adorando, they were in oration and that there was a moment where they had to

turn the eyes, but that this little he's little bit. And here I remember

much a phrase of that that fanaticos like she call, that say if my

man right me make a I'm I'm I'm I'm

prefer to get the the reign of the world, but without a man

that will get to the man complete. This person he was a little

and he said, my son is abriending the eyes I'm sure that he gets to get a king of the

king of the but no with his two eyes on the infirno and what you think

to come back over the and with a cuchara something. Something very cruel

very very very and that's the the worst the the

is when you still you in the stupidness to make

creencers she she said that they were doing a session, but they're not

they're invocating to any God, to a single, a non-ser-divine. I'm going to hear. She mentioned that he was

for the life to his son, because in reality they were invocating to a demon, the

demon, the demonio, the demonio Agare's. This demonio is a duke of the In the Inferno, it's practically

Pertenceal to the Commandos of Virtues when it was that he was with God, no, in contra. And, after the Caida, he can cause

terremotos, ensignar languages, learn, know, but over all, to give to the people

this part of economy. So, being credent of God, and being religious, she and her and his

family invocan to this demonio. The detail is that this demon when is invoked when it's invoked, when it's not you can't

look at the eyes because it's a moment where he he can't destroy. So, what happened to

the invocation when supposedly this demonio was manifestandos the little the little open the

and she says, but for security my kid I was I'm more more easy

to do this but no he said he's he's I'm and it was when he started

all the circus of terror. The curious is that passing the time they're

declarations and what everybody probably at this point you can they're they're

they're under influo of stupefacient for not call them drugs. Messclar

fanatism drug addiction satanism all in a same and the

most important Ignorance. Ignorance in its maximum splendor. Of really, that's it's a sad to

to end with the life of a little with the future of a little that is innocence pure, that

not have the cause that his parents have that's deficiencies and get to a point

where they don't even without the time, for all the years of the years of all the

I don't know if this little he's This, uh, fortunately he was

with this happened this years in 2012 I don't remember

and he grew up he grew up he went to the father even even the

little there, he was a man who he's he's involved

with the music and he's to your channel of YouTube I'm

so his mano much force for you see but

the atrocities of the family imagine the the the

ignorance know, how it's going to get to all, to this type of

things, that don't have no name, or so, it's your proper is your

child, why you do you and what you know, so it's so it was to

tap her the eyes, and then this mess with this stuff, this

fanatism and I think it has been much, no, so if you remember

that in those times had mentioned that the end of the

end of the time, and the and much people gave to many

things quite absurd with respect to this, no? To have the paper hygienicos

yeah. No, no, no. It's that's a really, it's impressive what we

get to do for the theme of the fanatism. Aritita me was about

of a story that even even is in the Bible for what you mentioned

about the difference of the the difference of the I think that if

the prophet Elias if they were alive, or would be able to get a little bit more,

the mix of things that we're talking about with a thing that has to be able to give to be a story

so brief that you have to do you want to doctam how you you can't from the

initial, you know, that he had to the sacrifice and he was a

and he and for so so much people to make to still to do

still to this prophet, the prophet Elias is It's going to contextualizing,

it's where he was with the people of Israel. And the people of Israel changed as a rea in that moment. The, the he was a rey, has a vinclusive

with Jezabel, that was a woman, that had also different in when to creencies with the people of Israel.

She. She was adorator of the god of the fertility, and had to be there too, that the

people of Israel termed adorando to baal in that moment. Exactly. And it's interesting because

they're to annihilate to all the prophets of Jehovah for that they're

not more the prophets of the re and I think it was a Mok and then

it's that Abdias a person that has a person with the people of he goes

and he he's there's there's a elias and he he says that's

that's passing things things in the public and he does

all the context the people , he said, and now

veneran a Baal, and all has changed, we're in scarcity, the people are too, and

they're not functioning the things like the other. And Elias, then we'll say, but in what moment

so do this? And they say, well, get me with the re, and he's, and he's, what, he says,

what's the people is adorated of Jehobah and not of Ba'al, because they're adorating to him, and

well, so, so so, so so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

story because the character of Lias was explosive. He had a character not to call it a character devil

grunion even, I like much the personality of this prophet and they're like a kind of

a type of a type of a post and he he said okay we're to do something

call your 450 prophetas and to the 400 prophets of Jesusabel

and we we're to do an offering they're two animals considering

that was what he practicable in a time they're a two this

toros and say every everyone will be his sacrifice and they

put it they're they're they're they're they're they're they

they're they put in the yearb and all this they're they're

they're the color grato no that he gets to

and he says Elias, they're, you know, so, so that's if it was

basically, you're all over me solito. And they do they're all this sacrifice,

and the idea was that they had to to make a fire, okay, of the

sky, and they're, and then, and it's, uh, and result that, from the

morning, the day, he gets the time, he's, nothing, and he begins

to be, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, a swanito, and there me despirte when

it. No, or so, so it's this is a Bible, not me the Bible, no me it's not I'm doing the Bible,

they're going to be in Reyes, there's there's, there's and the prophet Elia's to say, maybe your God is not

his God is doing his necessities. No, they're doing other things, siganly, sigan,

then the prophets adorators of Baal, they're starting to lacerer themselves, and they're invocars,

they're All the exasperation. And this bato ryann't for the word of bato, but if he does he does a rizabeth, no?

There's a moment where he said, a little, yeah. So, he's he's a time,

now I'm I'm going to, and he enters to like in a ritual like a there you

can't, they're, they're not, they're they put on the mess in pedasos like

and he he said a person all the people was having this contient

and they say they're a sandha, around the mesa

where is the animal, and I'll get two five years. Why? Because he

has allusion to the 12 tribus of Israel. And there's a there.

You're going to say, you're to say, is that this ritual. Dice the

prophet Elias, virtan water over the animal and in the

sanja also. It's. Another other they, they're three

this. And yeah one once that they're they're

in the chenna the sanja this that's they're around he's

he's a newbato and he says that desiened a fire of the and the

narrative says that so it there's there the holocaust and he

starts to elevate the umo the water was for

that the fire it for through the evus evolution

and the people there inca and all they Heobato,

all-powerous. And, and it came the time of jubias because it was a time of the time

of the and it's like, well, you know, you know, you're going, you know, and he says

Lias, no? A- where are those those 450. He gets the prophets falseos,

that says the Bible. So, he's got to do you, and the decapita all the bestia.

Dime if not have tintas sectarios. Yes, are. So, are,

they're, so, are, a, a, a, but then sacrificed to

the other prophets falsees I think that also suffered the same those prophets that's... That's not

in the old. That was in the but then the but yeah after you know to Jesus and then

then you came those things unfortunately yeah no there's sacrifices of animals

and there should have sacrifices of nothing but do me if you do things

sectarious and there's that's not only that there many and stories

biblical of the Antio Testament where it would like the solution of

the same yeah, but we're to give the quayal and yeah to calm to God

or to those or those or this so, so I don't know and the

problem is what is I mean like a story is a chido something

that's something that's but that today in the one of a person

to say it says so it was so it was so it to do this and the other and there are

people, many people who keep doing and it's doing exactly how it's in the text, giving to these

sacrifices animals, humans, and, and try to normalize it, are assassins are the final of

count. They're, are people that that's that's sensibility, as I,

there, there's people that can't make not a guyina, I remember when I

went to me said, no, well, I mean, oh, well, how? Oh, well, hell, no, well, no, no, no poeot, I go, no. But, how rich, you know, exactly. But, but, but, but, I mean, we have people that still have that sensibility, to say, no, no, I can't do so, no, I can't. And, say, 450, man.

Yeah, and women. Yeah, were prophets. Acquarete, that in that moment, the women not had both. Ah, men. Yes. Well, what, what, gachos? I mean, I want to tell.

I'll hear I want to talk, Oscar about about about about this

level of no see how you know how you know you of the sects

siniestras siniestras of terror of terror I want to talk to heaven

Gates I see that much people and you know know who is

but but as the thing for every local is

a local and for car tornio safado is a twerker that not

a twerker that was the religion, a religion that was lederated by Marshall

Applewhite a person that practically is his son of a minister presbyterian

musician and professor of this type did one of the

things that marked the history of practically of

the world and is one of the clear of the manipulation

mental that can to exercise on a group of persons.

Here the interesting is he he was he was he

was he had a mental he the note us

says that in in 1972 he he was

he was pannoic for a situation that he

said he said that he said he's of other

world about about about like alien indigenous, more or less,

they'd talk to and all the time, he had a mission quite important in

this world, and constantly they'd give them revelations, what we could we can't

get to people who has been really contacted with other dimensions,

of other worlds. But he was he was seeing, I'm made curious,

he was he was conscious, he was that what he had, not was a

real, of that was a problem mental. And the history us tells that he, in that year, uh, for voluntat propia

he's going to a hospital chiquetriko. He's looking a help. If he had got a place

where not there's a person that I'm going to mentioner, probably probably he would have been done probably he

had medicated and probably probably never never had because of the things. But no was so.

He went to a where he is with Bonnie Nils that's a infirmer of

profession but she had had a fixation with the theme spiritism and astrology

and she he said well what you say you think you know that you think in

this this this did you did you and they and so they're

so I'm to get to get to another place where I got to top

a person professional. Of the real professional of the health, not have done to the

person, he says, no, what you have you think is a contact real,

there is to develop, and well, there is where she is the first person that this man

convince of that really really has a contact and that all what he had really prophecies

reales and is when they are when they are going to start, they're doing a

a partner and they're in this then he's he's he's she was a

she was a she she's a question and she is a good yeah imagine imagineate

imagineate I think I think I mean yeah there was a level of admiration

in the sense to say ah a person that a very believe in

what I think in what I think a level more more than my because yeah is

contacted no see you do me if there there's admiration For so I tell you

that I'm not professional of the health of this woman I'm I'm thinking that's

I'm thinking of this part of the admiration and obviously the cumul of credences erroneous that we're

there's was the formula to get us to get together together. Well the

case is that they're both and start in a movement as a as a

couple of people and start to prospecting new members in part of the United

Canada and like his message was the salvation, and for who were in this moment,

they were going to have this salvation, because he was close a time, a time, the theme, and that only being part of us,

you're going to get the salvation. They're going to get their people to get the people curious to get, to see what on these people,

of what they're what they're trying? And, the type, Appleway, he had a good verb, I said, the type, said,

I'd be a good the idea, and, form get to get to their

first 100 I'm going to do you do you do it if you

do you do it we're to do they're they're they're they're

they're they're and one of the rules is that they're to

keep your those adeptas was to get the life

that you you you're you workable and you dedicated

to the time of the thing you do

all and see me very very very very

Very of Christ, that time, no? He's a lot. He's going to a point that has been to have been to

the case that you know, that they were that people changed their different names, they'd have another

identity, and he started a thing of a part of mental, well, practically,

they'd they'd say what they're constantly a time a very of Nason Joaquin.

They started to join to more people, it said that there was a moment

where they started to like suspicies raras the press and this

were to talk about to you there was a moment where this group of people

like it started to disminu and it momentaneously but until

1976 the parja reappe with less followers and this

time they were they're preparing they're they're they're they're

to do the next level yeah that at medial of the

80 there is a good for this group of persons because the the murder

Bonnie a cause of cancer of the cause of the group certain fractures. this man, AppleWay,

had, like you know, a good discourse, approximates, you have to be with us, don't you go, you never in ventas, he's the name, the necessity of

pertinence, no, no, you can't say, you have to be with me, because if me, you're not, then the type, a

past of the murder of his party, he went, and he went, and was that in 1997 he had got

with only only 38 followers, those which those convents to rent a

recinted in the rancher of Santa Fee to the north of San Diego

California. And it's here a message about contundent because this

is the know the suicide collective more of the history. So,

he has been a similar, something that's that he opaque

this thing. Well, the of last were 900 people,

this was this was in Guayana. But don't if they had to be with the

United? In the United yes, it was a part of the United. Because in

Guayana were in the 90s. In what that year was that? In the 70s.

Okay. So, so then this is that's like in second because it

was in the 90. Practically they had the illusion that that, Jal and

they were practically they were to do they're like a nav had passed this comet, they

were going to go. So, instants before, they're with tunicas negras, they're taking some, some beers

extrane, they're, they're to get to make, and not to start. What

provok the disaster or all the alborot is a call to 911, one person

was reporting something like a, something like a suicide collective, and when

they're, entran to this rancho, entran to the house and they're

going to know that they're in in the stateras in messas

they're all like they're doing some a scene quite

because there had young there no there people,

there there adults but something that me generate

much much a thing melancho Oscar is the idea

of the idea of To get a vender an idea, you crez in something firmly at the degree of your life.

The fact that they've lived and the form in how they decided to get us the life, crevending in this man,

thinking that his salvation would get, arrebatandos to see-simism his own lives, it's a

thing a very, quite very, so, you, how would you know, you know,

you know, you know, you know, Well, is that's part also of the ignorance that a rata mention about these words,

the level of the sense of pertinence, the how they can get to get a idea, and look at the

what the this is that there is that you can't get to internet on YouTube and you

see photos videos post pre-mortes of people that's and so and so

and they they're they're they're going, go to pass the comet and we're going to be

a nav spatial and there they're going. Exactly. Here I have the register of the persons were 21

women, 18, 17 years, between 20 and 70 years that was the result of the

tragedy. Here, the rarrow is that six months more after other two

members do they're the same than the other 39. But there what on?

If it It's supposed that it has passed, is that there's that's that you're in those see if there's

always there's people that's fanatic and that's and that's and that's he has passed the,

so the that's, the story is a condemnate to repeat. What feo.

The most gatcho is, well, the form in how they're in the form in the

recamara in the recamara in the recamara in the burrow, he was and at his

The body, there was an image of an alien, of an alienigen. Imagineate the level of fanatism that person. But a little bit you mentioned that there was a pathology, no? So, if he was, he was bad. He knew in a principle that was wrong. But, too, is that the dangerous of this. The congevary a person that has problems mental and aterisarer to things, in this case,

with the with the theme omni, no, the theme of, this alienine. Yeah. As a time

I mentioned and it's a result of a person that was a bad of his faculties

mental, had problems mental pathologically. And this chabo said that was mad.

I mean that had a problem. We had in the tap of missioneros, you know,

we were that we're that we're about the hospital, we'd about about for the

people. And us A lot of and we need a five for a cigar

in that then this and then and yet someone he does this money,

we put to talk with him and this man he had a a yeso in his

arm and one of my friends he asked that he had passed and he

said he I'm I'm I'm I'm perhaps that he

had abentated of a and he he's but why?

But he fumand his cigarette and he is that you I'm not, I'm

I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm going to do, do you know, no, friend's in contra to your life, he begins to talk to God, no, God, you know, God, you know, you're going to accompany us to go to the church, and he's

and he says, I don't know, I'm going to do those places. And my friend, no, if you're, you're very much, and he said, my friend, the

he gave the thing, he said, no, in reality the people who have the problems mental, one of the restrictions is not to assistir to

places that that have practices spiritual. Why? Because she has a conflict within of his mind

and then you know, the time of God of a divinidad that you can't talk,

no, that many Christians say, is that God me know? Imagineate

this mess up unfortunately this chico, I mean, he did get into

the life a cause of his infirmative not. We don't know, in reality

how it went to to this point. I know the, the infirmid

was after the first of not it's not with this pathology

or something that's that's the problem neuronal and it's

and it and then to quit not the life a cause

of and now this has there has to be

a treatment for a person a person a

person someone who know you imagine that a person

like what what with problems mental is to severa that there are people or there are

other species that are talking and that you have a message and that you have to be the instrument to get to get

to get a person who then they're also too self-desivien me. I will say who was to

who was to know, I see in his moment I don't know I'm paraphrasear because I don't remember exactly

the words but me he said Paco took a revelation a revelation that the world needs to

and you're the medium for the which I have to give this message is a message that me have given to other dimensions

and that the world needs to know for favor get me to talk to say that's an auto-promotion no manches

or so but I'm topado with that type of person no manches that is so is

a lot of this thing of the health mental and the thing of

to mixler it with things spiritual. At the final they're in criminals. Here I have

a story that's a question in Argentina and I say, in where exactly

in Mercedes Corrientes that's called this place. It's the history of Ramoncito

Gonzalez. A little of 12 years. Initiia with his

disparation. This place is a place, is a public the life of the

Polo Tranquilla and it and it's to generate uncertainty into the population. This

is in the 2006. We're going to consider that in that part not exist in the

social as we have been a new a not a not a new a new

has been a good thing this when there this type of cases

in this moment disappears Ramoncito and go to the school and

he no regress to the first that's alerted

is the mother. Imagine to a mother that not that's

a little a year of the and they're and they're to be the

focus of the nation is in this case the perid of a disappearance.

Some they were with the crime organized, themes

of debt, other things a little obscure but the family had

any vinclus, or nexus. It was a family of class a little that had

there's scarce resources. The little used to his mom to vending stampitas

in the street, I'd to get to get a car, and they had also

a little. They'd start them and they don't know. Two days

after, it result, that other group of people are playing in a Terran no, is that

is that before the time, no, that we got to go to the car and

all this. And it's pretty very sinister, so it put very in obscure all this.

This group of children see are, retasos, I'm to mal

to say this, retasos of a body in this terrain. Sin

down the the children started to reveal the scene of a crime.

Yeah, the and they're the head of Ramoncito in his torches. And this generates a chaos,

obviously, and the people want to be what's going to what's going to this place? Because a young innocent,

because the people that said Ramoncito was a man a little very a little very juggoton,

had a chispa, had a charism a very, very peculiar and they're and they're

to do a investigation of meces. What What happened? Why? If the mom had no debt with nobody, you mentioned, a little bit of a lot, that was a family of scarce, resources,

not was involved in the things of substances illicit, nothing, nothing bad in this family, no? With carencers. And result, that begins an investigation very, very intense, until that

a person, Jose Umberto, that is an anthropologist, if no, mal record. And he begins to analyze all the scene of the crime. When they start to see his, his, uh, resulta that the

little, he had marks in his hands, like the crucifixion. No, in those hands, the feet. He felt about

wesos. He had markers like if they'd have comeed in his spal.

Lacerations very feas. And around of his body, there were and

the workos, work of santaia. How? Around of your body. Oh,

they're there. They're there symbols. And the people and the

investigation Arda and it resulta that two women are involved. Anna

Maria and Martina and it's so torpe the manner

in how happens result that one of them to a person that would buy cosmetics, I bought a revista and

came a kind of a kind of kind of this person was a leader of a secta

okay they were and what you mentioned so a rato and they were

they were they and prosperity they they're they're they're another

person that is the that is the encar to mutilar to

and it's like a sacrifice. No, it can't be. Obviously, this destroys the family, put the focus of Argentina in that moment. Everyone is observing and want responses. Why sacrifice the

and then, and conform they're scarvading to the case, they're going to beinculos with the maniosos. Okay. Incluso, even they're a list of

and that list has a list has precious. Result that the new more charism

has a value more more high. Yeah I think. They're

a little that was a companionita amigita of Ramoncito was a little

was a girl and a and a through her and after of her after

was a person was taken that one of the seignoras, Martina, was the

that she used to her, this little, to attract a Ramoncito. You're going to do money, you're going to give the lenses that you have done. It was they were attracting. But result, that these two

women have necks with people of money, with people of the political in Argentina. And what they did they, as they were not to sacrifice to the children, is

to say, the people of money, and the politicians, used to these two women, and is there where

they're in the catalog, and they're this man, and this is, this is money, and not only

was the death of Ramoncito, they found also there mortes of other children in

that people. They're they're not they're paying their debt, but imagineate the

the head of these people, and apart how they're they're with the

a revista practically like... Like if they were products, not, to be able to the vented? No,

but what is, ah, look, this is like a chisel. Uh-huh. We can't

put in practice this. And then they they're and they're they're in the life of this

new in the 206 in Argentina. Oh, God, God, the kids, because if

is a thing a question, it's a questioner when I said when this

time with the Morton a little a I'm a thing are things

that are going to today so no we don't

we don't we don't we don't I'm to

romantic to say oh yeah no no no

no so it still there there many many

many many that probably probably are probably are

being every kind is their doing his labors

little, adults that are being privates of their life in a form that strong

that's in a ritual in any part of the world but

the really the intention of this podcast is if in some moment

there a person looking and doing this to try to try to

to make them or if you know because the

really the message is one, we have to the little,

two, if you know, someone's someone else, I mean, so, of all this, denuncelo,

denuncial, a person that, I go, if you're you, but I'm, you're

conscientize, but if you know, you know, it's the real, it's the worst. Much of

we're not we're we're living and we know, we're in the story,

we know, what are who are who are, but much people for,

for me then he doesn't say, no, does nothing. Yeah, I mentioned this part of the who know his story

is a condemnate to repeat. The fact is that it's very dangerous. A lot of sometimes the people

solaping this in leaders religious that is where I mentioned at the initial of the program.

There's a line very, very delgada in a lot to the sects and to the

churches, and we have been about about this mess. The how delicate

that is, uh, a justific to all these people who are leaders

spirituals we're talking about we of various but no there's justification and we

we're we're we're we've done and we've done and for for

to start I'm to ventar I'm a a data no so we

we're in the creencies that us impus because we

we've we we've we've we've taken so to the

little who has has shown on this mess we've

talked about this person emblematic of the new testament that you

do you say okay because it doesn't disaperciv his

history when he was to pursue to the

christian and I know that is a thing asper even

inco when you start because you start you

are your things in someone that is at

the other apostles when when he practically he's autonombered Apostol.

Exactly. So, is a person that metio his cards to the church,

or to the Bible, his 13 cards Paulinas, when no convivio with Jesus

and to me this is what I'm my dad to get because leo the story

and not I'm I'm I'm in the Bible is that in the

thing that Echus was in Echus that Lucas never convivio

with Jesus. Lucas is of other Epochre is something

to do Cocrates Plato and Aristotle is that at the final not they don't know the first with the

first and the last and mention the story of how Saolo of Tarso perciga the

church and when I go percied not is that he was that he was he was to make

and the church and arrasel and arrasal and arras and just it was it was to

to matter to matter to make to make to the first martyr of the church

the uppedrean to the death, to the sum. And then in the he says,

they're going coming down, he's, he's, in his sequoases, in the, in the cabos,

and he says Lucas, no, that's the he's the cario, and he he's a

soul, Saolo, why do you perciges? Dura thing, you have to do things to

do things to a gujohn, or something. And then he's, and then he says, it's,

and he Paul, he's predicating. You know, it's a man who's a man who's

his name. It's, it's Paul the first he was the first, and when you put this

over the mess, because you adoras, well, not adoras, but why admiras

a person that was an assesino of the followers of Christ, we're not that Jesus

gave to restableser the system, no? It's a system is a kind of

corrupto and they had appropried the this is Jesus in the part of the temple, that's all, that they've got all, the guys are the animals.

The good that the church is a new thing. Resulta that it's, it's, it's, and some people say, yes, but

God's the pardoned. God, God, God, God, you're justifying. You're justifying

a criminal. And, no, I do I, it's, there, the sacreds scriptures, and also, there are other books that

reforcese. Now, God, God, but that not that's the the same, God in the Exodo, he said, no, Mataras?

Exactly. It's contradictory. Yes, yes, yeah. And then argumentas this, and the people say, no, is that

you know, is that's disarmament of the spirit. This is an argument that you've been arraustraining when we didn't learn the

Bible, it's, no, for the people, no, it's not that we're not we're not just so, and why if it's

terminated God to Saul, that's all the people, and no pardoned a Eva? Exactly. Exactly. And it's that

Jesus is misericulous. Well, it were in other times, no? I still haven't been the 10 commandments. The sabidurity of God is infinite. What difficult is to believe in a God so contradictory. When you put these data, it's very difficult. And there comes the justification, the legionaries of Christ,

what you mentioned a lot of the dynasty, Joaquin, all this people that are doing criminals, because are pardoned for a people that's allvied. Exactly. It's very bad. For this, for this I've said, and at least in some

places you attack like a rebel when you get to questioner certain certain

practices. A me happened when when I just, and let's the

cause of the podcast. Now that's just about about about the phantasm

and a rebel no, no, not, I mean, not, I mean,

to put over the measure on the some some that you consideras,

or more than you consider that if really really is really is

they're rebel, no, not, that no, I mean, the contrary, I say,

despirtas, abradarily you know, and you know the reality in the that you're in the way,

in the manipulation in certain places. The faith not is a figure, you know, is there

is a questioner. Exactly. Imagineate that someone to have said, I know, I know,

you're a person a person a person and you've done, but imagineate that in some moment

someone to have said, you have to have to have to To make what you've done to have done

to make you to give me tommy. I know, I know you're a person rational and that evidently questionarious and you could have

said, you'd be you know, you know, no, no, no, the faith not, no, no, the faith not is totally

sierra, you know, you're questionartes because you're doing, because you're doing, and because you're saying

and because you're trying a message erroneous, care. They're careful with the manipulation.

Yeah. It's very And it's dangerous. Even we've been because of the magic. The magic is

coherent. I'm the episode that we're in the episode that we're going to see to be to see how much

about the language coerent. It's important. So, also there there's much ignorance in the theme

magical, the way that the time religious has its norms, have their their rules,

have their processes, uh, no, no is, no, it doesn't how the

person, but how you're, how you it's a You know what you've passed? Always is a good to be here

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