EXTRA ANORMAL - Estuve Preso en El Topo Chico | Presencié Los Rituales más Siniestros

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

En este estremecedor episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, nos acompaña El 8000 C, ex integrante de La Última Letra y ex preso del Penal del Topo Chico. Comparte sus vivencias dentro de este penal, donde fue testigo de los rituales más oscuros y siniestros. Desde pactos y ceremonias aterradoras hasta historias de supervivencia en uno de los lugares más temidos de México, El 8000 C revela detalles escalofriantes que te dejarán sin aliento. #PenalTopoChico #RitualesOscuros #relatosimpactantes Estuve Preso en El Topo Chico | Presencié Los Rituales más Siniestros Extra Anormal, Historias de Terror, Paranormal, Rituales, Topo Chico, Historias Siniestras, carcel de mexico, reos, Extra Anormal Podcast, relatos de terror

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My name is Pacuarias and I'm very happy to be here with all of you this occasion family is an occasion very special,

very different with stories very reales but but also countas from the

testimony. As you see in the minatura in the title of this

chapter we're we're very and that he's and that how

lived he a experience that's a experience traumatic a

experience of much risk and dangerous and a

full of occultism of burghry and much today was

with me a person who one of the most dangerous and also very controversial. There he

took to see and live many many things that they're marked out of life. Today,

me accompanied the 8,000 C. How is? What are Paco? Much of for invite us.

Thank you. Thanks, for the goodvenida and we we're just let's say the

more fluided and excellent for you and for all those who are the people.

Thank again for to accept the invitation much thanks I know

that's a time quite difficult a time quite difficult because

just what you just you know before this this is something

that even when we came to come back back he was thinking

he was like repeating because at sometimes the

things that we get to make we sometimes

after We're doing with certain delirious, of persecution and and pesadillas and a lot of situations. Before to start, I want to say

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hear and hear and if you you're you're in this episode.

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sometimes we're that they're to borrow certain certain so

then then the indications let's let me tell me my

mano how was how was how you did you did you you

did why you did that in this time in this I was

working for a cellular delictive this very very very

very known that are that's okay that in that in that

they were they were controlled totally the penal of the topochico okay

it was in the 2014 I was I was working from from

the medial of 2012 for this this as

as like how like they they did they

they of eventual me they said there's this work, I'm going

to pay so you're going to get to give to give all the you're going to

do you need to get a okay I'm okay I well the side

of the money I think me it's perfect how how do you know

so you can't know in this time I ran about for

for for I'm for work between 7000 and a job of two days. Okay. Of 24 hours,

maximum. But, me went getting so that, you're going the end of the wind of the money,

no? You're saying, here are, here are with cheese, the enchiladas, as they say,

so, so, so, so, I'm getting, and I'm going to people,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going and I'm, I'm, I'm going and they're

a little, the, they, they, they, they, they, they were,

So, it's that A little time, and I did I'm a little time, because it was two years those that I've been working for them. And at second year, yeah was in a nomina. Wow.

Yeah, I was in a nomina, and I had my, my money, like, who said, is sure, that he had in that time to my family direct for them. And what he said,

as motin-de-guer, that was for me, for the gas, what I could try in my box. This That That That's

They're To do To do a To work To To Guadalajara Halisco And

They said That had To give Some Umas And And And

And And And And there To And The So

The Is that It's The person That me I I

I I me had contracted from the beginning with I had the contact yeah

had a certain recel with me because I was getting a little more money because

I had got a maned a because she the mando I was mirabed

with good eyes just only me to make me to do the work and that

that was that was to get a carnet X to get to get

to get and they had to get to get to the front only. I don't

know for the regular I don't exactly that I did what's how many how many

how's what I'm I don't I don't I don't I was I was a person

this in reality well I I don't I don't I don't come as the

count in the court in the carid I was a child of the

I was a man a man a man a man a child who That I was the church, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

So, so I passable desercived very, very easily. I, with all the movements that I did, well,

I didn't, nothing that that you characterized like, someone of the delinquency. Okay. So,

that was very very easy, in my in my scrimer, in any car, so, I was very, a new, a year,

what were, I, would, and I would go, and I went, and, But at the moment of

regressar I've a little problem with this person me say you know

you know yeah you have to get to he's he was his work was

to clean and what I think to cleaner is that the carmeneta not

absolutely nothing of that if they were fierros that if

he's he was something something you know you know the law

they are very prepared. Sure. Incluso, well, it's he said in

that it's a carer, for that passer, passer, it's very desapercived.

Okay. That time I, that I go, to go, uh, the

I'll go a way, but when I go in the way, in the nothing, me,

they're to do so much the federals, that were on those fervos about, obviously,

one with a FRIA, you know, you have to act, ah, yes, is that I'm asked, is that some, some, some,

a perfect, mecannical that had had been in the carmionette, that you had moved, I,

I, I, I know, more or less, where they were in the clavos, so is that, ah,

yeah, he, it's, he, came, failing, and I, had to get to get to

a, a, time to get, to get a, but it, but it was the insistence

that, that, to get to my destiny, my brother, I'm disarmes the carmionette and a me

to be able to be going to the ministerials federales in that time. What do I do? I'm salto

to the person that was my contact and I'm going to say, you know, you know, I'm saying

I don't work. I don't try I'm and I'm putting a borough. Sure.

Yeah, I'm just putting okay. Imagine when I'm to come to I'm going to go

I'm going to go ahead. In the first, I'm going to porcern. So, so, I'm I imagine that this person he has to be riddened.

Well, in fairia, no? Like, inferia? Minimmon, on those tablacitos, if it's yole. But for envidioso? For envidioos,

for not to want to do you, at the end of all the end of still, I don't know exactly nor why.

But, but I, the only that I did was to to do my pellejo, no? Sure.

If in that and that lived, and of that me divertia, I had to care. So, so I'm just

what I did was, was, I'm doing and directly with the man, you know, so, what, that's,

so, he, with a good, that's, you know, that's the type of people,

not is how they're going they're going to know, so they're people, even, certainly,

that are, you think, you're, or are preparedas, very, very I learned

I learned many things of of them malas or good but I've

so this person me give the me da and I say you know well

yeah we can let us we ragam let me arrel this it'll

but so it does the work and all I get there I'm

I'm on the carter I'm they're they're they're they're

in that time were federales of Caminos Division of Caminos and you know, they were they're waiting a carmionette

like the same color and that they'd and they'd imagine you yeah you're just

been torsied yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what happened you, you're getting,

you're revisited me detiened me, me revisans and directly me they're to get to a

center of detention Well, yeah in the Center of Tension it's always that I'd tryia and I'd this drug.

In that time, just started was starting the methamphetamine that was chloridratin, something new in that time indetectable

that was manage a much money. Okay. So, you can't know how many was?

Around When a me me detain the federal ministeriales the chavos are doing to me because

me say, hey, why do you why do you because? I said, I mean that your

carmendat no value more than $30,000 $34,000 but you've, what you

have you are almost $17 million of dollars in the in the streets.

17 million of dollars. And I without know. Wow. And I just I didn't know. I mean,

I'd pay them a fair. And with that I was I was happy. Yeah. I was, I was for all. But I don't know the quantity or the problem that

I was trying on. Because even, at the more I've studied, I'm a little more according I was intelligent, but in that moment I didn't know of the legs. I don't

I don't know if, if, how's years me going to do they're if they're with the

mass, what I'm going to say, et cetera. I don't know of that I'm simply did the

job. And as far me had been done. Until that that's all that they've torseer,

and then, well, the person. You're detubier? Me they're, they they're getting to a center.

They're doing all my process legal. But here the issue is that they're to make

directly to penal the topochico. When I was the Topo Chico a... ...beenryceo, like they said

a... A cochinero. A cochinero. From legal, altos and, well, and,

well, I said, my racita. How was your legada? My yeah, was,

I was, it was a passible, that I was like in the movies, you know, you get a, like PEP

the Toro, no, that you're that you're that the guardies this, the,

the, the law are, the law, they're they're that they're, but no. I go and I feel that

all the contrary, and I'm just they're just they're in the same to the age or to more chavos that were

asking for me. I still even, I didn't, I didn't, to what was the penal, and they were

asking for me. From, they were, they were my name and where I was and that I went, and that

was ha-haling. Halando, what's referring? Halando, is referring that if you is trying

to be that you're very common, that you I'm going, you're that's synonym

to that if you're not going to a manned they're they're asking, and as

it was it was that the penal was that the racita that was that was

that was the question that's the right? Exactly to what you're exactly to

what you referes? The racita, well you see how it's how it's the

set in the racita. Ah, okay, I understand it. It's sounds

much, no? Yeah, Yeah, the racita. The racita. That's, that's more than the way to identify. Okay. You're the rasa, you're the racita.

Yeah. So, yeah. Well, yeah, obviously. I was working with them. Entro, well, I'm a little angustied because, well, it was legal, my family,

my, my, my, my, my, kids, et cetera. Yeah. What was going to pass? How much time would be going to venter? But at the I was I was confiated

because I I'm going You're having You're having You're going to That's with them That's a moment That's

It was a bit difficult Because it was when the Caida Of our Rasa in that time

Okay That you're starting to get a mandos very Fertes that no there no

money that that's approximed a change there Yeah but

was if I was he was confi I go and the first thing is met me in an observation. Observation is a

quarter of 10 where they're getting to all the people new. That's, they've been to be there 15 days as, as

his number, do you say, to observe for observation for, legally, to see, to where you

go, if you're, with the pavilion, that if they're kind of loquito, that if you're some, then you're

for the of the you're in the population and you're to be in the you're going to

go to other place okay that's your population but when I get to the population

I made that I know I'm no man the law and a only the guardia

was the was the door for into the legal of the locutories

okay to for to be to I'm so that

not you top was, you know, a one only cellar into the penal,

I think there's a question, and those who were there were in the name, for who were

a common and current, but working with the racita. Yeah. Okay. Me, they're going to

my name, me they're asking, well, how many years I'm, I'm, and I'm,

so, I'm doing a time of investigation, me said, well, passal, you're

to go, you're to be But I was so tired of three days to have been in the PGR and he had

a loton imagine without, imagineate, without that I'm I'd get to dormido but

I know what's it was in the madugada we're up to all those that we're various

like around about about about about 10, we're up a point of patadas, us form

and to be because you where you're where you're where you you're you're when you

when you when you to me. When I see how is the situation of that various, you know, various they've meted those shingadassos and this, uh,

so, uh, so, uh, when they're getting with me you know, they're not so they're not so much not with me, but if it's

to say, let's, let's let's get to let's take to the cab. I'll, I'm a filer. A filer,

a no, was a fieler, the reality. Yeah. Augee wow. In the pesquo.

you're halling or no you're going to you're going for who there if I don't you can't say I'm I think

was the best question but in reality I don't know I was because in that time there were

many and I'm contracted one and me they were I don't I was

I was panache who was my commandant who was who was I'm who was I'm made

so how was the so it's so so oh, San Marzano, you're going to say, or not you're going to say, no, well, is that I know, I don't know.

And, well, me, chingadasos, and me metiered down of a litter. The literas were of three pieces, of three camas. Imagine, to me, I mean, to me met them a mere above, of one,

in my complexion, and me met them, and a puras patas. Mettete, and there you're going to be to get, until that's the mando of here and say,

what will be going to do? Uff. Tadmary, What I said, what I was going to pass with me. Well, well, my mode. You imagined the worst? Yeah, the truth, so me imagined the worst, because I, well, I knew the racita, I saw that, that much were in the locus.

That much, for whatever thing, defumable. Of what way, so in the most absurd, you could send to the other world? Simply for, for mirroarly to the eyes, al-Mando. Okay. That was very often.

No, me mirro's at the eyes. Okay. Agatche the Cabeza Two, three times that you said to

the manned or if you know if you you're agravable or if you imagine wow

what that that's a manned me and what you want to see that you

so mad so much so so so so so questions

that you don't do you don't where you where you where you where

where questions so is very simple You, it's, to get them, with all the disconfiance, because you're asking where I live, Cora? For what you want to know? For what you want to know?

Oh, no, with that you have, for that. So, they're, they're, they're all the power in their hands. And how did you? Despite, after that, uh, me mandan to be, me mandan to be, I mean, no, the lay, me manned to

talk, the, that was the second, the commandant Chicharra. I know it to the o'id,

but never of the view, a man, a manned in my place very very hard,

this, and the, the first that is, let me, tell me your story. So,

so, but with, with who can you have been exhalando? Yeah, for that

time, I had thought, like how how's how's manned the

water and he's a name but let's the name

of the person that me that me put with with

the I'm that I'm and they're saying they're

fulano of tal of the family with him um they're

they're saying a chichin of him one of moneneke he's

the maneneck is the that He's, uh, the bolzita with the money, with the money, and all the he needs to the

he says it's like, as a assistant. Like the assistant personal. Uh-huh. He said, E. He says family

of us and he works. He's a brotherers. All the family he's got to us over us oh, okay.

Well, well, as ever those mancanas me say, this, commandant, if it's

certain, no is true, no, he said, you, you, me

you're, you're, you're Where you're where you're, if not is certain, if you're just I'm saying, you know, I'm going to to fumar, we. You're going to give a piece. Imagine

to see a person that imponent with that power with an arm in the man, like, with some 50 cabrons after of him. Oh, imagine. Pure a pelon tattooed and

being loco and camando, attisandos a bit machin after of him, no more to the order to do

a choro. And me say that's, that's my real right. Like, as my word.

Well, it's my bad. For the point you get to there's and he

said the chavos. This chawos this chaw in the language of being

in, like, in, like in, we're in, we're, let them that's

that's more that's that's that no, no, he's going to be

going to not a but it's like, it's like, he can happen

something, not he can't be a one of the words very used that's,

well, then I'm regressan, I'm all confused what happened, what will

pass, and I go back two months, in best of 15 days,

me vented two months in observation. What, in that quarter? In

that quarter where where I saw people that had been people

that were there's there's they're a lot and they're getting two

I'm kept super well I'm yeah I'm I've seen

but you're in a penal where is in a law and see

how they're to do two soldiers to two ex-militares and

not just to them torturred us the maia and the

and that, and that know, and that know, and that concoe, that, that, that, they,

that's an, intimament for a-oh, oh, no. Enfrey all,

yeah. What, torture for them, torture for us, psychological, and then

then, then, and then, then, they're, and, nobody, and, and,

not, and, not, imagine, you're, I'm, I'm, I'm,

talking, that's, torture in the night. The gritos. The gritos.

You're dormitably, thinking in what's going to think of what I'm going to do. And,

and the repent let's getmelo to call. With that not your name. Because if

you know, it's a trotour, it's torture that you're going to get to get to

me of a hell. But the tortura of the they're saying, a bit,

you, your family afura what does and what does and all. They're

an investigation in that time, they're, they're so organized, they're

so I include you know, because I was, I was, I know,

that I'm, that I gave my name, for, for what delito I was,

in less of two months, they had in my location where

lived, who was my family, in what caros and I, my ex-

husband, in what mobile, what mobile I'd in where were my children, in what kind of

my kids, and that they're and they're saying, a bit, if me

you're saying, if you keep saying that you do you know, I know, all this of you.

I know, yeah, that your father has your new new new thing, you know,

you know, that you don't get in their house, and here they're, and they put a laptop

in front with the location of Google map, look, this is your

car, and they they're they said there's your house, that's your house of your father, that's the house of your father. Addentro of the

penal. That's so, that was the power that had in that time in the penal,

that's that's wow. Despite of that you're in observation two months,

how was your way? One day the night the night, it's the mando in the one,

commandant Guy, that in past Descancy Hega And they They're

Where where I'm? And I'm I'm Because if So I So it's It's

It's made Because Imagine To get to The commandant Like that That's Like

With that He said With him Wow In the In the Cunner And

Purro Well Well A man A madandro Gach That's To look

To be To be To be Madroso Griton Intim intimidate. They'd

get to a quartito that's of 10 and then I hear the barue and then

and then go back a fulano and tal the the one that he says that

he's that's backenlo oh well me I'm I'm back I'm not

I'm down I don't in a letter that I've been said I've been said I'm

said I'm even said I'm still I'm I'm just I could I'm

the most probable is that it's probably that it's a and in this time I do you do you know

and I'm back on the carombs no way those chingasos and they were a, one a

one escalera of caracol a pur shingasas me down and the maromete and the

mother I came to the after the first to the and they're with him

and I said what what I'm with you nobody has tired for you

Tirar For you It was that They're He came He's been working He's of my Racita

He's of my He's from me He's from me That's He's in my Nominia For the two Mines

For me No man Because my Hefe Had been He was Heading Where I

And he was And he was My Jaffe He had done Oh Man's The law, right? Yes.

But when I mentioned, well, I'm, jeff, well, is that I work, now I'm, now, now, now I'm, and you,

how do you, how do you know, no, is that he was in my mando. But he, well, he said,

he's got, he's got, he's got, he's got, so, so, so, so, he did a chorro,

but I, so I, so I, so I, so I, in that time, the order of him,

was that we don't even we're not more he was zumbing with his staca and as a

worker this well as like who says of the event for me in that

time no there was he was he was one of those he was he made oh la

mad he said he said to one of the chavos that he was

that he was he was he's he just he just man man to

to the public to Nothing more. Manned it to a population with anyone

tranquill. Nobody said, nobody said you are of those me, hefe,

there you gohalo, givelele a tachito, nobody spoke for me. Me manderan the

chingada. Vett the population with all the people, no, no, not was a

poor. Exactly. I, I, I, I, my, my,

my, my, my, my, my, just say you're to where

you want to talk about or the and the mafia not you don't

to get to get to make to get to get to be the day of night

I'm not so if your family not you see the time

then you know you what what on that yeah

there was there a day of night there's but caloron to

to get and night eating the rancho the

ranch is the food that they they they normally

in the Penalva, the population. Yeah. That, the truth, is horrible, much food. You get, and, well, no, I don't come. I mean, like, for four days,

until that, I don't have to come. And, and, and I'm trying to the water in a bottle of a bigitorio, compere. Because,

it was what you didn't. Tomar water to a migitory? Tomar water. To make a go. There was a migatorio. A quartito

that had a miguerita, that was the mangierita, that was the, the, that he, the, the, that he was I wastesy of water to clean the mehitorio

there's a middhistory and you met the bottle and there you're in the bottle and then you know

water? Sure. 4, 5, 6 litters to be able to feel satisfied wow.

I got I'm I'm 1017 kilos when I when I when I

when I in 97 kilos wow in two months I'm so much

That's, 20 kilos, more than you. That's... And, well, the truth, I was an accustomed to eat well, to pass her well, I'm totally

destraised psychologically, physically, yeah me had been gulpeded, I've been tortured, yeah, I've had, yeah,

I've had done tortura psychological. What was the most, the, the torture more

that they did you? When, yeah, when I'm passed to a population, I went to a population,

yeah, me had had done a, one, a chinga the federales.

Yeah, me have done a middle a sudden when I came what I talked about the seboll

in the garganta. But when I go to population to all a world to all

the world was investigation. The investigation was to get one for one. So,

they said to padrinos. The padrino were in cargo of four or five

persons. That padrino would not see a 10, 12, 20,

30 people that no been hauling and he he was he was in an

ambulatory that the ambulatory was of him and of the people and a one as

a population that no they were to get a cell and you're not they're not you

don't you could have pertencies they're they're saying you're going to be you're going to

go back and you get to the vanch you're going to come to you're not going to

not going to never, no, they're going to go to do you. I'm going to go to say, no, you're going to

go to do you. So, so that's sequestrated until the point that you

get and me say of those of here, in a quarter of two for two, two

one and one and one and two and we're like we're like two, 25 that

we're in a one in a cell cell of a cell of this

sequestr asked them, ask them to who said to cook I'm going to I'm gonna say, I'm

a pocus to you're gonna do you're so I'm and what's what they say let's say me

they're gonna me get with a person there what you know if you see so do you do you're gonna

and what's what you're what you're what you if you're if you do you do you do let's do you

let's do tantito. Me preested with him, me they're going to a little

a fundita and my question, me says, a be, let us to have to him and

to get us people, those people, too, those, chingo-notes. I, I didn't

know how they said, how they were, and I'm not, and I'm just to cook, I'm,

they've got, the food, there was, in the point in that me began to ask,

that was, where was, where I'm where I'm Mediolito, et, and they're

they're He's a cabron with him because the deletio that's a bad thing. We don't want to let us in bruncas with the jeff

that we're going to go ahead, and at final of the count it will result that is contra and to us call the baller.

But you're you're getting the confidence of them? But I'm not getting the confidence. At the same time

me was getting the confidence and I don't know to do you like how to how I cocine? At the end of

When you know, when I say, oh, well, I'm I said, oh, well, I'm more or less of the region. Uh-huh. Connoces a fulano? If, you know, if, see, let's, let's see. Let's go. We've seen. I mean, I, I know

the prima. I, yeah, I know. We've seen two or three times in some junta, for there in my region. And he me, he said, oh, yeah, I don't know. I'm not, what, because? And then, why

you're going to because you're there's a you're not you're not you're not cabrott you're not

those cabritos so they're to say they're to the people who were people that were that were

that they were the the racita okay and at the final of the you're saying

no here you're going to you're to be there to be you're from what can in what can

you can oh yeah I mean, I don't I could have a lot of good, I no could have a lot of

I don't have a lot of that's, and I'm going to buy some some of the tennis because in changlas that you're

like you're gonna me come up some tennis us out of I bought some chido a lot of a lot of that you have

a little three pantalones to change so wow and the more we're talking we made

we know we've got we've got we're almost A little bit more separated. Uh-huh. This, and then,

well, I said, no, of here, here, we're going to all the people who are

because we're not, we're not, we're not we're not we're not we're not. So,

okay. So, so that's the seven months can't do all the issue in the penal.

But in this time, before the seven months yeah they accepted like part of no

I still doing to me this this man he was for me or

manned over me in the five of the yeah I'm and he had to the fayuka and I would be

pan and and they they'd come to the nine of the morning uh

and there they were all the day in the fayuka there they were there

they're there umor they they're there and my my

my job was to come for for them for them that was okay

when when when I when I took much confidence yeah it was

they were a they're they were to to live to their cell to their conton because they said

to say to say to your fatherino to say the encargated me so to

let's let me total I I respond for you not don't try

momadas and they said if not they've passed much time for

that had had been had that trajara, that you that's against, whew. So, there's no

no, no, there's no, but it was that the seven

months, the penal change of the man, and there is where the moment, because

it's the penal of the man, and I was more closer, of the people,

that were very with the chief of the chief in that time in a past,

a man, a good a good a little. Um, one day in the night

they're to ask between all the cabriteras in all the penal they're

to ask a new a new a commandant that's that he had

had had had been the time he had had

had been tortured to the person that they were in the house

in their although not they had been there the

that there they're after after after before first you know you

don't it's a man it's a new beautiful because I know the

I mean many even when me when made to talk the first a

first time a big an beautiful and he and he always

always was like he always he came when

when when when he I I don't with with confidence with my father, with the

with the chiefs that had no Fayuka, with the who I knew, I said, I said, why is so important for the jefe, well, so you can't buy a chink. He said, no, is that anil is ritualized. Okay. That is the, so is the, that's the anew of the power of the chief.

Yeah, it's been a he was a-traught. Okay, for that was he was going to, and I was trying. And I don't think so in that. Uh-huh. until that's in a show

like two months to go to end up and get in the madrugated and they

were the alleguats to look in the cellas to encuerrable totally encuered

to look to look at if if you don't you have you don't

you and they've all the penal and all all the

all the they were like 15 20 days to to to

and not encountered. But yeah he's to see the secret

of voices to talk to the head he's he's the end

and what was going to ask. I'm what you ask. Well,

that's that is the man well well said, they're

that's that he had regal a a an an

an an an old broho in Berkus. Okay

In Veracruz? In Veracruz. He was fanatic, he was super, how can you believe? Creeient? The saint

death. Okay. He was a diary, his rosario grand of the Santa Merte, his, um,

for whatever he had his altars of the Santa Morte, and and you get to hear

to hear that the Santa Morte not was, no, was a, because it would be

I used. Even there was a pleito casted because in the penal

there was a capilla Catholic but there also there was a capilla with a

parroco with a father that was a time and a time and sometimes

in the time and there and there and there was a that was

that I said this bat he had and I know he said no oh

he no he no he doesn't I'm I'm I'm he

I'm the how he he No, no, no, I don't, no, no, I don't know what I'm, that I'm going to, the, that the brother, that's a bluerre, that's true. So, yes. Ah, so, and he never did not? No, never, there was, but if there were wrencillas.

Okay. Of course, I mean, so, because he, no, so I'm sorry, because he was in front, sent out of the capilla, with his people, and, and, and, and, the father had to go, no, no, this is well, here, this is good, Hey, so what did you want to talk about? Well, I want to tell you about Wagovi. Wagovi? Yeah, Wagovi.

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But, but if he said At a certain point Just where Where he could Because

it was Well, he was going to go to The guy I don't go

Cows Yeah He He's He sometimes He was He was He was

A tollito Something Something Something Something To come And And for

It was Important that we're interesting that we're just a papacho, no? Right. And this person is totally oscourantist. You were, you know, you were, you look, you had a, had a, had a, had a presence oscura, that you had, you, you had,

you, you had, you, you had, you, you know, for, for the area, for who they're regalant, you'd, you'd, you'd be able to do some sort of, in his own moment? Yes, so, so, confirmed. Confirm. A Partier

of that I know in a July of 2014 the ritual

that's in the penal for the day of of the year of

2014 is the most I've seen I've seen a

real in the in the penal and a a festival

and a and a vire a a festeho enormous with a

ritual to whom they're exactly? To the Santa Morty? To the

it's a can't it's a car that I think a lot of multi-usos enormous

like teachada there there's there is a um um this

how you explain like a a sanctuary for the santa Marte. All the

that would be to put his figureita or his Santa

Marte, his quadros, his bellators, his flowers, there

and in that time as the mando was devoted to the Santa

Marte there had a lot of people that was devoted

to but more for pertens no? For moda

I'm I'm like like like because because sometimes

changed because I'm and And that ritual after I came

in when I me they're from me they of observation there

a child the chob the chau the chau he was for Wachikol Martin he was

but he he got very afonoso of that he was working

with the racita but I'm being the when me me

when me me I mean, they And there where I I'd do not I'm in observation. Yeah, when

I get a population and it's what you know, it's a best of a business, it's a business, the chismes

are and the plattices goren, the day of the ritual to him was the did an choro

to offer them to the Santa Marte. What thing? You've seen? It's a placica

of secret a voices that I can say I don't see the ritual but I saw the

the conditions that they left after the ritual us you can't how you know

I don't see the ritual but so he got to do a way

to listen so how how was the the committed was the the power

to continue in the penal that the the mando could

continue taking his ritual to his fiesta all

all for the Santa Marte but the the annio that

he used always always to keep to keep having the secret to

voices yeah ritual actually in the ritual and in the

ritual this chau he's they they're they they're

and they said he said that he said that he's he had to

the murrida the heart. So, he was but that the anil

had to get to get a he got to he got a or was another? I'm going of this

of the before that the thing. Ah, okay. That's before that before.

And then it's that's before you. I'm sorry. You know, I'm just after the seven, we're

talking about Julio. That's in November, the first of November, the first of the ritual.

Okay. In seven months, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they start with

the And then, and then after the of the end, after that power of the of that the power of the penalty.

It's a a person or, he gets the the, the, and he says, you're not

you're going to be the commandant of the penal? Like if were a magia. Exactly. So, pierre the

power. Wow. And what? What? Chorro. He's he. He's the

man. And that type had much power, he had much money? Muchissimo money.

Muchisim of money and much more. And so just you you know is, quitate

and because so? That's that is. That's after. After that they're

saying, a bit, you know you're not to say the man. Uh. You're

going to be a fullano of that. But that he putian

was like it was a They don't prestan numbers, because the veradero Mando was another, that also the people knew.

The real commandant, the the commandant, that the, the that they had put to be the commandant, I think.

But he had a one, a man right, commandant Lanchas, that he,

according this was the that he had to do it. What does commandant I think? Del a

Chorroro. We don't we want. Because yes. Because, because, They said that

I'm that's I'm that the I don't I don't I'm

to go to the you know you know you know if you robes a chiklet

shorro and he he put so having so having so

money they're not money they're but it but it was a

I think it was yeah it was he's that the is that the is that the

really was that was that was a much Okay Yeah, mandaba

out of and I when I when I came at the penal still they were

they're the order from to the people to to get to work

to work yeah they're they're they're they're they're they're

they're in the penal at the time that I'm that's that's that's

the power no had to have had been the guide like to do that.

So, here, he, he's, heard the power when he the name.

Who? Who? Nobody knows. Nobody knew. That's, that's, that's, that's,

that's, it's too, not? Exactly. It would, I, I, I, this side,

I could say, that would be, like, a work too, to be a kind of,

like, to be to be to be to be a thing, Yeah,

look, some people act to attack to someone, not they attack directly, they're

they're very strategas. They're people who have much thinking much thinking of analysis

and and get to the part to, we have to debilitar it.

So, always is we're to debilitar and they're perfectly what was

their was a school. So, so there is how it's how

he's to work for after after after the whole of the person,

all the people, all the whole of the realised and it was a

man, well, it's they're they're doing the that I had

heard that was of the most that he was of he, like to not per

the mando, like to continue to having the power

in the penal and after they they're fum to

fumman a b they're and they they're in one of the one of the one of the

in one of the yeah, yeah, was reported like that he did an attack to the

but without the news. You, how, how did that you because

you said that you've seen the because that that time me me took

in the morning when I went to to the fayuka to vendor

I'm passing by the passio and I know that the people just

because at that the penal was to be able to be able to be able to the people

that was the people that was the people that was the time I was going and I was

going to and I see that so I like two three so they were going to be

back over a pacy here I'm going going to go passing and the chau

this back up up up without plier and all No,

to be it. It was like, I think more of a hour The body Yeah, yeah. Because, Dera,

you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, that's... That's... Okay, no.

I don't see, I know, I don't know, I don't, I don't, and barra to your ways, because

right, I get to the CNAFo, get in the series, and they're to look to see,

and see, and they're to be to be to get the mule. that in that in that case

yeah not because you're seeing it was minimum what was it was there was an attack of

the car yeah no it didn't so that you don't pick the family and amazer

or do you yeah so it's like it had to it had so time to do

that's that was that was that you cance that you for me it's something

we've been we've done in tantas stories we're how is the the fact

to subornar an entity and is the word really subornas because you need of the

power and a change you offeres something so you you you have

a deida and that that you will be a favor to give a little

of their power for that you can you can still still the

power and have certain certain privileges but is that

is clear when the power or When something in the formula fall,

all, all, all, all, all, all, all, and we've

seen, they're people who can't be people with a high level hierarchical,

and so twerces, they're they're and the form in how they they're really,

I think was brutal. Imagineate. The chabo, I was the chabo, the chavo, very,

very, very, very, so, I've been hauling and actually

they made an hamburger and what he he wanted to take in this rata because

he was he was he was he was the Wachicol that was the Wachikol that was in

that time and it was what he was the money in the imagine and the

and the that he was they were the head how he was how he was okay there

okay there when when they they're they they're they're

no mandan to get to all the cellas a this

one one a morning was a morning like the

I'm not I'm mean they're like six of the

six like they're and they they're very very very common that

if there was a law or someone but in the

law that the secretary to all not to all

not on the cell for that they were

just and And they started to all to their cellas and all to

his celtons and go to their can't and they're to know to know no vizu

in this time in this time I mean I've had had done the viada

what is that me yeah me I've been said that

I'm my me me me and me say, Quintam, like,

how is your story? How, what, what, what, what you do you

know, so, so, I was, and so, and I'm, and so, and so,

and so, and I'm saying, no, man, we're, we're we go,

but, but, what, you know, but I'm, I'm, no, but I'm,

I'm, and he, he's, and he he's, he's doing, this corm,

he's no, it's effective, he's there with us is effective the bato me said

well so on what you're doing you're not we're going to you're going to you're and there

it's over to me my my sequester my torture my that I depended of someone so you're

now so you're free in the penal wow until when

they're in the change man another another no I do

do Where officially you are They're part of Exactly Yeah, Yeah,

No, I'm There's Yeah, I'm I'm in Cabriterra Yeah, I don't live in Cedda

in Celdda with those who are castigated because if they're castigated I'm going to

with the racita this that was of my region Yes They're they're going to be here

now, you're living and here you're living and here is your money, you know you're

Yeah, you're free here in the criminal. You can't be able to telephone. Yeah, you can't when you

want to want to you want to you're free because all of it. Because all that I was I had restricted.

Yes, limited. Limitado. Limitado. A less of that I'm to buy my padrino.

Wow. So, that's a change brutal, being brutal. Exactly. And how

it was, well, a part of that moment how was that change a long plaza?

Well, simply I yeah I put more attention to my things legal in this

time. Your get to? I started. I started to ask my because yeah

looked more to my abogado, because my family yeah could go to get to

see because I could I could pay, now if came to my

chiefita to be my mom, imagine yeah almost past a year.

I don't have those privileges because I had a because I had to be able to my family

or that I get to be extortionate. Aun- even knowing that I was that I was that I was

that I was that I'd with them. But I'm just like you did this well,

for them for you even though, even though, even the mando didn't say the mando

you're, you're not even, although the other they were that they didn't that so.

Or, even if there were the Duda, Baja. Yeah, accetable. The, the last time,

the, the last time. And so, so, with this person, when he's the change.

He was the way of the and then and then I don't get in problems, no,

nothing, of that that type. A part of there, your life, came,

yeah, for Vinn, you know, there, but yeah I'm to get more in

things of the mafia because it's inevitable. For all, you need a charrola, for all

you need to that someone to get a hand. Even to get a piece of a piece of

the carne in the person. No, any there was a carneseria, there was

a minisup and there that if you not was an important or someone

known you, you know could have been something even. Inc.

Inc. Not you not you could live in a cell chida

in a canton chido if no had a certain

a certain that, that's to the command in a and that's when I'm

to get a little more to get a little more, okay, what did you? What did you? Well,

they were the people with the people who I had had made a very good

relation and that I've had been, that's social of all, they're all they're living. I'm

so I'm I'm a other person that I've seen, a other person that was a very

ex-judicial Wow He also He also A condena A lot of Many years But this

He still Peleando A man A senior De Numer He said Of the Of the

Those Of the The Rassita Yeah But But even The He was

He was He was He was Like He was The man He was Respectable

A he liked that he was to work with him and that and that me put here to play to

the frontier oh, how it was put it in the frontier? How was she put yeah? He was

listening stories. He was to hear stories and that I was doing that the

person he was the and I mean it was always to be always to draw and he

he discovered also that I'm oh yeah do you do you book me the other

and then just just no more me I'm Here, to my private, we're going to... To, you know, to give you to doggar.

And, encargal to fulano of tal that you try to take the, um, the, um, the lotpices and the cartolinas and the colors. All right. All right. I want to do a photo, a rostro of my husband. I want to draw a car.

Like, so. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I mean, a good... With the, with the mandos that I always I've never took of me, the ambisconary

to me, no, I don't know. But, with those people, with the majority of

age, if I'm the facility to talk, of being, like, like, like,

a mentality more, more, maddura. And, and with him, I was good

time, very close to the, he, he, anything because he he had more power

yeah or after when he got the the the the motin of the

the famous the famous motin of the 409 in the 2016 still

still still the same the same the manned after the

mantecred so he's so put it well with the people so ported

much no it but the really with me never never even

even from all, since, I, since, he, he's me,

indicated, where I'm how much, oh, we're doing, no, you know,

you know, don't know no, so, so, always was where I was when I'm

talking, where I'm doing, how you know, how on, no, we're doing, yeah,

For that I was more tranquill still the penal of a certain way

he put so much the people around the people were those who were the miregas

Ah, okay you know, they were those who were the people and the

head not very, not were very metid with, to press the turkas

they were very consentied and they started with the momaditos that the chichin'

The jeff of those who are well I'm being pegged with him Oh,

and those tennicitos what on where? Regalamelos and you you know you know

you're what you're what I'm that's that comes and he does my man

well tell you to go to the cell no man yeah

they're they're no manches yeah yeah they're they're they're

just for the for the consentive for the consentious that they were there

many liberties they were they're they're they're they're they're

they're and the people and then it's to know to know to know

to go to I'm to say I mean in the personal but that never

me was never they never they're never they're but so very

very certain to me that I oh yeah no well you know to be

they're to be to my spouse to to that's there

in the end and that if if no if no if no then

they were going to let's get to imagine to get to get to get to get to

get to no no man to do you at the much they did you I mean

I mean so there so but but but people

like there had people there had people very very very

people that even many many who not had

even they had done people studied Wow, et cetera. And that's

and that they're so. The nalgittes of your daughter? A sube And you

I'll give a cell and I'm going to to do to get to cover for nothing

you you're going to my, you're going to my sonch and is that if it

if they were to want to give to more this. So, so. So,

so they they're they're they're to manage. That for

That's so, for so, trough no, the bomb. Sure. When the 40-in-as. The people, yeah, in that time, I go, yeah, pasted on various years. It's much the extension of

that was passing in that time, but, in reality, more or less, so it was like, all, so, all very car. That's, if, if they're

in car, the things, when it's, that's the mando and with their people, they're going to to submit

the things of a price much too like that's like

it's like another and then it's a lot and then the raza not did

with the money to get to his family or with the money to

get in the money that didn't not not and the

people and the people and the not they were more more difficult

so so is that the really no I remember in

the month but was a December of 2016 No

of the December of 2015 He gets a commandant A commandant 27

A man a man who I'm talking of the number centered

He's not he he no he no he no no one only a raya in

the brasas vestido Forman a sapatito of this

ferragam so sweater voice very, very different to to be a mandro

if you those you're looking to other form to express a sir he was

sitting listening his roles of Jose Jose or mandos a vano so

yeah it was another show it was it was another type of

person to the man yeah yeah yeah that

person that was very very powerful away He gets Translade

And he And he And he He's a Alman That he That's That was

Malandron That was That was Backerone He was He was He was a Barterone

He was He was He was He was To use Bota He was Sombrero

To say Quads But if The people That he He was Pura So

That's Scrap Malander Maland, Scrap, where I can't, where I can't, you chingo. Hjolle. Fordome, you know, I, you're going to chingar. Porqueries. Forqueries.

Exactly. And so, they're going to do the rinsillas. Between his people and his people. Uh-huh. And, well, as to get their people and the people, yeah, too, those of that, ah, is that they'd start to make things to a, a one mando, and to the other, too.

The Venni, uh, the Venni. And Venni try. Yes, yeah. That time that's that's the motin

was a a a week it's a yeah when he's

a man credo was a Catholic and he was devoted to

another nothing with nothing with with with with

the yeah there was there was that was he

got to offici an miso and to all

and he in the in the in the so mando to

all all all to all be to all some mis. And the

that's the there's a there's a we're all all right, we're all all right of the santa

and they did it exactly. And it was like it's like because before you look at all

the racita that I did see figurates with madera and all doing shorros of Santes

Martes and doing Sants Mertes and Tautos and Tautos many tattoos tattoos, many tattoos

of the Santa Mord and then then after all all with all all with his San Jose

and alls of and quadros of San Juan's Taddeo. Ah, yeah, it was for moda. It was for mode. That's been for there in the Puello, no end uproro, no? Exactly.

Exactly. Well, then they're to say, that miss, to all. I remember that time, in that time, when he gets, when he gets this 27

to, at the penal, the sir that I'd say, that said, that's acercable with me, the Reinosa,

He was a friend of He was a friend of 27. The 27 is the that you said that was that was very elegant. Exactly. Okay. And this

man were a but from outside of the penal. I said, I've seen many years. They've been

tried to have put out of and all right and all right. Imagine you get it and then it gets my

my people, my people, those that I know, and I'm so I'm with him. You hailed

down. Yeah, and you started to see, the division. Who And who's with one man, and who

who is the same group? Exactly. We're the same. We're the same. We're the same. We're just, we're and we're just

about bronchitas of that, and that's sotanito to tell, and that's sotanito to let's get the language to the

of the chief of a fulano and that he did a gesture, and they started the wrencillas so, until that

that day that you know, the misa of, the Merecole's of Ceneas. The Mercoles of Senisa.

Yeah, was present there, the head I think with his people in the bankas

and in that he gets 27 with all their people that's a lot of the middle

and the part of the penal and they're so they're they're they saludan

in the miso front of the obisco what's my man my mano how you

know you're and in the night at the once of the night

it's the last the and the ped all was

for a so cabrown. He said that the commandant he had

said that the commandant that was a Jot because so that's it a bit

a pendejada a pendejada and the commandant the commandant the commandant the commandant de

the commandant de the same but in that rato so in the mecha like they not were

not they not were not they not were and it's and it starts

the dismadre I work. That's the way in a fayuquita

but yeah of the other sir. I always I'm so I'm in fayyukes

and then he's a carriety to go back and go back and when I was so you know

that there bronca but that was looking someone that he was trying you're not

so you're no so I'm so I'm no I'm so I'm no I'm and he said

and he started the and that there's that's no because you they preendier

a the building C. Ah, a cabron, how? No, see, look at the

edificio all all, ardiando and all corretteeating and all and all

and looking to, but there's that was that all about the

people to think, he didn't he was he was he had

been out of a ventonita that had, that was

that was that was a, it was was a penal feminine and penal baronil.

And there a ventanita chiquita that's you could go to get there and say mandale to

a fulanita I'm talking with her and talk about you and talk about you know about you know about you're all

you're going and you're the form of noviar of the penal for there fum

he got he and various of those chichinkles the most cagapalos they they were

they were there's but here in the penal baronila there was

the desmad gacho because so it's the people of 27 and the

people of going to all the people and that's if that that's that's

that's me the same time and I get a gaudo right

is the right is the moment to do that it's that the there

of nobody yeah there there's there there's And that to me I

I saw I'm going to when was the desmad in his mere point, and I'm

between us a person vesty of Catrina What? I was a person dressed

of Catrita. I was not me surprised in the moment because

much of a rass had was a was a lot so that he was

that he cuta the charmara a that he had he's Oh, this day is my.

It was a disaster. It was a disaster. An disaster. Incluso, in that time there was a person that was dressedia and had some botas

threevaleras very exoticas and you let's try you other bat puttes and with their sombreros and all.

When I saw this person of a sombrero of a copa alpha like the capparone where they'd

well, who'd say well, at the maybe a maybe someone had that

someone or in the theater of the theater they were it was a person A vestida of

Negro Like type Sacco With a With a sombrero Of Copa Alta of Catrina

And his Rostro His rostro Compare Delgado So, How can How could

How could I, um Explikar It was a Rostro very common Uh

Uh Like Like Like the Like The The Lotteria Like

Theatrine of The Lottery Uh Something like. Okay. I was. I mean, a me consta,

I was, but after that you did so do all the and he's made, and they were, and they were, and did it, the people,

the people, the people, he was the , oh, yeah, who was the of the sombritit? Who, was the loco?

He said, that was there, and I was had storbando, oh, I was got it various times, and that,

nobody I didn't know they were. And you know they were? No, we never knew we never knew

who never knew. That's strange. From there there's the legend of

that Chanklas and was between us because it was so the asana

the he, going to disquartisan a person with the feeling with a

with a with a a risa in the book? Bess to the people totally disquisiated. People people.

People like. And people that you say is, is a little. The chowbo no's met with nobody.

The repent, he got to the hand and the onion and the sebollero in

the man, with a hand, and giving a tronco to all that they put

in front. When did chancles, to who you referes? To, the devil. To be

I also I also I'm I don't know, I think. Imagine it, no? Passetteeating the demon. And if I heard an something, something

like what we're talking about, the music of the phone, of a bit, the bollico, and of a bit, it was, and the way it was, but when it was, so it was like, like,

like, a, like, a, like, a, like, a, like, a , like a sigilo of a, like, a, like, a, like, a, a, a, a, a, a, , like, Like if

someone is like I'm very levy. Something so

I'm not he's the only that I'm not the people I'm the people I'm playing

oh yeah first what I'm what I'm that's the back on that you too too

too who were who are who can know to be a person who

then then then then after then after then after that was that we're that we're

that we're that we're that didn't he didn't even even didn't had storvando. Where did he's got the sombrero? That's, it's all...

Oh, I know whoop who was. And then, the sound, oh, you, listen how she was heard in the madrugada when yeah? When yeah, it was more tranquilon? Yeah. If you were like, yeah, I said, no, I, I, I, various times me went to, you? Various times me went to

revise the pile of the, of, the corpse, because it was I was like if they were there in the

corpals a pile of a pile of I'm I'm I'm between the

those who were getting those who were and they were there's there

and I did I'm more of 70 70 imagine imagine

the the you the the water because there

were redos mortals and the final of the

the order but it was all just just join us because

those they were they're they're in the camp of football because the

idea was to imagine the quantity of energy the the

amount of desperation I repeat again again I'm

I'm I'm I never apart of the tortures I

never had heard someone more more more more

the people that still they'd get with and they'd

the pile of the quervos and you know that they were they're in the chorro

because there someone that's this is this is a bit that's

yeah oh well yeah well yeah that's that's that's

I don't know to all they're all those who all those who were in the pavilion and there

there was there had said that had been that had been much years in

the penal and that he had, he was a little but he got on the boy

he loved to get on that he was he he was he he was he was he said

he said he said he said the sigis he said that he said that he said

that he was rematable cut them the head cut them a carlless a man cuted

and then the rata I'd try you a cordoncito with all the hair

and in a palt a head And you What do you You know, you know,

you know, you know, I said my chief of Reynosa. He said, I'm the man,

chobos, that no so me acerque this cabron. Just just care me is the

cabron because we know where we know that's it does it's and it's

on their role. A la best. How was it? How was it? Why did

he's he'd they'd they'd so they'd like a , like a

respect added. So, if, for si, yeah, he had been fear when he was out of, it's,

he's, he's, he's he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, a cobija

on him, and between four, five, we have to go, all the bestia.

When, not, I was, because when was made a medical, he was, he was,

he was, he was, he was, more, more, more, more, more dos,

more, so, I'd put him a, pan. P, let me

coffee, so that's all right. And when... A little, a par, but when I was set out, like, a sometimes, not he'd

the medication or not he did, he made the chumco. He meted the chumco, the bato. Al-a-madre. That loco, imagineate,

a collectionist of parts, no, no, no, no. What I'm they're, they were the first that

were the when, when, when it was the penal of, the top of the chico. They were the primaritos that they were saying that they were they said that they're doing a place special,

a place where they were not to tender well. But the pavilion was a little bit of a day and night. I imagine. Sin motin and without, because you entrapers and they were the less loquitos, the most or less loquitos, and those that, de-plano, like animals, in a cell in cairos, because no, they're in cairns. because not

they're in the ropa and for you've seen you've seen we've

we've seen about the right final the people the people don't to say

I'm to say I'd want to talk three hours this but it's

impressive but our our invitation came from very

very very very very short of your state for

that is so so comment about you that you've got to use a

protection that's when after the I'm going to I'm to get problems

of delir of persecution I'm so I'm start I'm when you're

when you see the panel this no when I was still in the

penal that's so that's to be sobras I'm fall yes

in some people people important for me of my family that I

don't I was when when they were when they were and when they're they're and they're

and they're in the night so I know that they were they said my family

my jeffita in the night in the night come it's that I said but I

didn't I'm not I'm not when when when when when you see they're going

to pass things so that so is yeah yeah very I've always seen

to be sombras to hear that me chist they're much

problem of anxiety and I have I'm I'm a friend that

he's the chob was the of the South of

Colima there and he he was he entered to the he entered to the

santeria when he entered to the santeria and that I go

being that they they were the the quenks to do

his colliers and his colliers and you know I'm I'm trying to do you

know I'm saying to my wife to try it a minute that you do you do you

do you say what you you're going to you're doing what you're you're ritualizing those are ritualizing

and with you're doing and so you're doing you're actually I'm I'm I'm

I'm going to carry some collarces of Orula and I began to investigate how it was the sentry because I didn't know but from the real

me was super very well I was super well I had I fayuca propia yeah I had a cellda for me

solo with my cable with my sky with my air condition I was I was I was only

and the head that was in that time was he puttable with me etc. You've seen the

change inmediate? I saw when I started to use that but when me it

because it was when I'm I'm a Catholic from a religion impuester

because if you have my papas but I ended much much time

in the groups juvenes etc you're you're a man

of A man of church When I I'm When I'm I'm doing When I'm

I'm doing I'm I'm no this I'm not not this I'm not it's doing

good me let's me quit my fayuka I'm gonna another madris for pure chismes

and me and I and I and I my can't my gas my things all into

and other again again but but I'm me it because I

I wanted. Sure. Not for not like the anillo. No, like the thing you.

It was a decision there. There was where I made to know that the energies to endro

to what you piddas to what you pidas because then then after

it was much the, that the fanatica of the diablo the satan

and the satanical and they started much, also also put a

little a lot of there and you a rase with the santaia and they're mandos and they're their roba of the meho. I mean, I've also

a companyer who considered my friend. The chavo, his papa, this, was santae of all the life, the sir of Cuba, and I'd try to that roo. He, he got to be a mando of the penal. Wow. When he was to move to the santaia, he was very devoto of the santo of the santaia.

of Tacha. Yeah. You know, is that's a son of the child

of the tachach is this, a how do you say, like a

parapet of the santaia legua? Leweh exactly. And he he was

to mando when when he started to get the santa into the penal.

Of he was the he was the he was the sentteria because

yeah after much rasa in his canton in his

celtas that Yeah, I'd try to his collarsitos, and yeah, I started to use and do it, and to doleotos. But he started with the matanza of gallinas, palomas blankas. And it was subving.

And it was subbing. Oh, my God. The people that get to the limits of these rituals. Of course, I'm sure that the case of the penal was, so as I'm living, first the thing, the one of the

49, is the murder of this, the other commandant, he was with all the rituals that was, because they were rituals complete,

they were all the people into the cellas and he was a vestyed with his people,

dressedia of black, with his somerios and all the roo for the penal and

matando you know palomas that said I'll give $200 pesos to those

to those who me capture a palm a paloma a paloma and they he was

for the rituals After that, it was when he fell to the penal. When he didn't continue with his rituals, he said he was out of the hands. I said, I was, I said, if he was, if he was a camarader, then, then, then,

then, then, then, he was up a little. Yeah, he had, and he had a genie of the chingada, always. So, mario. He mario. But he, when he,

when he, when he was with the rituals of santaia, he, He was out of the hand. He started his altars of the

santaia for all and one of them is that was very very very strong because I

me took to care. There guardias in the penal and the guards

were we we're we're you're you're you're in this point

nobody nobody nobody nobody nobody was like a person

and there santuario, a place that he prepared, that was where they were where

they were he got to him, he carried his he made to do a mural,

an altar, and he always always went all the days to put her a mansano

and he was put his toke a mota bellaras newas a me took

to be a guardia a day in the night before that came before that the penal

if the law did that the law did it, the law began to tronar solas of the and we're

and we're chas for that me so I'm kept very grabbed because we chained the fault that we

we had made a point and that we had done a patada and we had we've been

and so that was also it was too it was for some for that to get around

and you to come are in the mojo, as they said, for not not to find out of what you

do you're doing for not good. But the veal started to tronar like two months before

that they said, the penal is there. So, you've a lot of events

over-natural and abnormals. Exactly. I mean, me, he left very marked the

thing of Katrin that I think I could have been the sameissimo diablo,

not, paceteing into, pavoniand in all the disaster how how I

get to control the minds of the people that were committing a lot of acts very

very torbious you when you when you quit these those colliers or you you'll

you know and I don't and I kept with my credence in God yeah no

me I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I try to many

problems you can can't say mental because I try very very

very very I'm a time of that's that's a time that's

that if me I'm able or not I'm that I had help

the ampower that I'm I'm I'm eating too my anxiety I'm

I'm I'm again I'm again I'm my my cloyers my

my my cojaers my my kittan my my my

things etc but I I don't I don't I'm no I never

put because when it when it I came to the pen. You've got your conviction very. Exactly.

No, I want to depend of something that not accord to my creencia or that maybe traition to your faith

actual? So, my mom, and my mom, and my mom helps me much because she goes,

after a time to talk to me and I'm saying, what, what I'm doing? She, she had been,

I had been saying, I had started those misal those that are in a week for that I, so,

me was, and I was, and I, would, and I, would, and I, no,

I was reading, and I was, I don't apart, you know, apart to,

you know, I'm apart to put into my creency. I mean to do the call the penalty,

that's when they're then they're then they're then they can't, I'm going to put totally

different, eh? Mejoro? Mejoro much. And there how much did you? There were

seven months, not more what, what I'm seven months, until your all your there are

there and my other I mean it's a yeah it's very very

very very notary yes yeah I I think a

career electromechanica and then I used because because like

I was a maquilada I paid a and I worked and

like an electromecane under of the company I so I

yeah I had I had back and I

apart totally of the of the man wow What final

so impressionant I'm I'm going and what a lexion so important

independently of the creencia the conviction that you did say I don't I want

to traditional my credency actual although it has been that you

were santa but they were impuniting so independently no no important

the no the conviction that you did say I

don't depend of this and I want to my, and maybe

it was like in a short-plazer was the, the worst decision, but then? It changed. Chambia? Chamb- It changed.

I was going to, even when I tried the of the santeria very, very, on me, yeah was depending

to that me were to every time. I'd know what I'd know that. Let me the cards, no,

but you let me the same man for what you want to be going to go to pass with the the papers

that I've to get that I'm going to pass with the amper that I'm

put on a point that I'm that I'm tron- the I'm starting the head

because I'm could control something something when I say that's that's

that's that yeah calmate my jeffita me start you're you're from

you know you're back I'm again I'm again to the time you're again

you're going to go you're going to another again with the

Bible to read all the day of the Bible. Today, you you know

you're in God? You know your faith in God? No, God to me

God to me gave to I think I think I'm I'm I'm

I'm that I that's the that was that was I was I was I'm

I'm in the hill of the death if he he was he he rescat

of that I'm provided the miles of the exit to malavidas

but right thanks to him I'm trying to probing the meal of

for that so I'm I'm going to talk my story because I was a very good

is a well well been librated and I'm I'm I'm totally

that the that I did you there was there there was there

there was there there there Oye, fulanito They're praying for you In the

church Oron for you Your Tia Yeah, you know He did Rosarios all the days

for you You know I'd I'd I'd know Because no I'd Because no

I'd Under the Penal after that I'd I'd I'd be I'm gonna

I'm gonna I'm much I'm much I'm I'm gonna come to come I'm

I'm to get out of nah God Diosito help me with this Pum

there Pum! There's That What testimony that's more difficult but with

a final that's satisfactory and today for today that's a person that's

that's that's you your people and the person with that we're going to

the interview the reality is that we're we're the way the way

so I'm just I can say thanks for for coming to come to

to share your story of your story of life and we get us we're in

a final so so beautiful so endued and so reconfortant as you have talked about

you thank you very much that you have accepted the invitation to do you have a friend

and I want to give the thanks for invite to the program and so for all the

people that are people who are if someone has been in the most

some of the few passes that I do and do we, there are a way to accommodate. Nothing more, that I have to confere in God. It's the only way. Thanks, thank you,

thank you to all the audience that came to us at the final. I'll send a great abrazo and we'll see in a next episode. Until the

next. Bye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.