EXTRA ANORMAL - FAMA o BRUJERÍA: ¿Hasta dónde llegarías por fama? | 🔴 LIVE NoEsNormal.Tv

Episode Date: June 29, 2025

Contenido Exclusivo aquí! https://podcastextraanormal.com.mx/En este episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast de NoEsNormal.Tv, Paco Arias conversa con Nazaret Martínez sobre uno de los temas más comentados y ocultos del mundo del espectáculo:🎭 la brujería detrás de la fama.¿Hasta dónde son capaces de llegar algunas celebridades para alcanzar el estrellato?¿Es verdad que ciertos artistas hicieron pactos, rituales o incluso fueron víctimas de brujería por parte de colegas?🔮 Casos reales de:Famosos que usaron brujería para alcanzar el éxito.Rituales documentados para “quitarle la suerte” a otro artista.Personas del medio que fueron enfermas o saboteadas espiritualmente.Testimonios de exmanagers, bailarines y personal de staff que presenciaron cosas fuera de lo normal.La cara oculta de la fama: pactos, limpias, santeros, magia negra… y mucho más.⚠️ Si crees que todo en la fama es glamour y luces… este episodio te mostrará la sombra detrás del escenario.🎙️ #ExtraAnormalPodcast #FamososYBrujeria #NoEsNormalTv #NazaretMartinez #PacoArias #ArtistasYMagiaNegra #RitualesDeFama #MundoDelEspectáculo #BrujeríaEntreFamosos #HistoriasReales #PodcastDeTerror #FarándulaOscura

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call the so the brujeria of the stars pardon the brusheria of

the because there much misterio many things that involve the

thing the time occultism Satanism, even. So I want to present us the investigation

that a person very special and his servitor we're going to this night. Adelante, for favor, production with

the introduction. When they're all the screener, it's another type of ritual.

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this is a little of what we are going to talk about this night me accompany a person

very special a person that really me does much and it's a gazack about

about all these things. My friend my friend Jesus in Nazareth

Martines. How is your man? Thank very thank you much

thanks for the invitation very content always to visit Tuxtepec

to talk with these, of these these things that we like. Thank you, I know

that much of the family of the podcast you know, you have to go to investigate

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interesting, very good. But for the persons that are coming here to this video for

first, for you can't present. Sure, that's, you can find out of

MEDeodcast. My name is Nazareth Martinez, and then we tell us that type of stories,

all this type of things that we're just that we don't know and then you can

find in Instagram as Nazaret Martine. Thank you, family. Let him, please,

you know, the recommendations before you know, a episode of podcast or an in-vibo. Approachemes these first

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that say, this is in the live, it's pre-grabate, well, in this moment, in this moment that are the

6-18 of the time, we're totally in-vivo. And, really, me does much, much gusto to be with

all of you. Now, initiating with this theme, my man, I'm going to make a question. There are

many rumors, there are many things that they when a person when a person to have

to be a person that they're to say that is because you've done that is because you metista

to things of occultism, of magic black, blah, blah, blah. You, what do you think of this, brother? I think it's a grand reality.

The people that want to give to the people, who want to be not say to questions of power,

they're to get a kind of the media to get what they're going. There are many cases,

many people that are in the farandula that have done in certain religions, that

are that if you know nothing mal or if they're not they're there's in certain

situations and it's totally a reality that there people who do this to get to this to get

a lot of them. I want to do really no, no me fear and is that in

a podcast where me invited me I'm I'm I'm about a

work to dogeria, when we we've just to do you for your channel

and in the most in your, in your channel of YouTube, where I'm a lot of a lot of

and there was people who were people who were saying, why you're saying these things, because you're

to the light, this information that we know, that there's to be a menace

to my person, for saying, why you're saying, because you're saying, no,

no, no, I'm afraid because it's our job. I've said many times, I don't

I don't know I'm the expert. And, I'm, I'm, I'm a categorical as far as an investigator

of a secretory, I'm going to the places too, but no me feel with the preparation to say, I

know, this time, because in this time, you know, you know, you know, we know, we're

practically nuttriending us because there many things that one, uh, well, uh,

looking to accumulate so so so it's interesting to talk

of these things now there there information that's filtered

certain questions of artists even of some artists that have been a

great icon world that have put in in Mexico that have put in

all our races and even artists recent that that's the

vincula much to a, uh, uh, a thing a time

practically of brujeria. For there us were we're saying when we're doing we about,

for example, of a piece of a pan alcan or because there certain songs where

those they can't to the legwa and they can't to the collars and things

so, so it's a time very important, it's a thing very interesting

and I want to mention something in this Mivo for not.

We're not to talk bad in a religion. All

the contrary. We're about about the practices that some

artists came to do to to make to do

you think Nazat that some of these practices can

romper the veal of the ethical and of the correct?

Sure for sure that well also it also

it's because there zones of, no see, for example, Africa, that some practices for them are totally

normal. But for us, we are quite awayed to their cultures, we don't we could be as normal,

the time, for example, a, an animalit and offer to a certain deity. Obviously,

I think depends also that the culture, the education, the religion, and so directly,

I think for us we're not normal. Sure, definitely no. For there we're talking

Nazareth and I and I'm really I'm done a spoiler and we're doing some some grabations for there

we're doing some podcasts that are past pastes of the Lanssa I can't say that we're in your

channel in the channel of Nazareth we're we're about the thing of the brujeria

in the political and there many things very because when we talk this

time is impossible not get to to talk the of the people of the people, of the mannows, we're going to

call it, of the malandros and, so, you know, the start mentioning all these

situations, uh, impacta a much, impact a much because you put like in the

eye, this, for if we we're in a public, but you put it's like in

a point where, don't see, you know, I see, you're to see, let me

tell me to a question with this that you mention you. And for that's

the public we're we're in these people that are in a form not so legal

for that not sound so far that's so far in some occasion in the

area where I know of where I am of my Chucan there are there are

people who we're and say you know you know you

see your content but but you but you know what

person is. So, then they're and they're saying, oh, you know, this is what you do you

do you say, I'm, I'm that we're we're doing, we're saying, but you have to add this.

Okay. About the rituals that's quite of people of people pertincentes

to the crime. Tienes for here in mind some ritual that you'd obviously not

to share exactly because I'm sure I know that much family not atrevered to do the

connoissement adequate, but a great rascals, can't talk about some of a ritual of that

indole? Of that what he talked about Paco, of this type of people,

that's that's about a connection with the power, the power political, that in

this case, we're going to talk of power and a little different. There are people who

are certain rituals that are quite are quite complicated, and and,

over all have to be very armentical, very in secret. Between some of

the stories that we have been because insist, there are many people that are

these circles delictivos and they like this type of content. One of

these people who said that was in a base secreta, under commies,

a zone buscosa we we need to talk in some of the

messages that they were that that they those were participes

of certain rituals but with the Santa. What me is really interesting

of how they were in this class of rituals is that many of the people who

are not adeptas to this deidad a sometimes they're to participate

in certain practices. What me is really cruel that I try to

minimize this is that for example if of this person that that's into these

groups is to disappear to someone they used used certain those elements certain,

like this deity to realize ritual so of protection so those of

the rituals of protection are the type of stories that more us do

these circles delictives we can between these these rituals of protection what is the

element more the element that you knowces that conforms that conformed because the ritual is

conformed for many elements natural naturales spiritual no no no

we're talking of elements like an human that I don't know a little pertenesia

a group contrary and then these these muchuchos those initiated of forms

that's quite, it's that's that's not we don't we can

say so but but they're they're they're people

people are some things so things I've mentioned there there are

people that when have been in grabations and decide

and decide open a little the book to talk

not not only somebody more but to tell their

experience of them have have been amazas yeah you know

of what is and the really me asusts much because the people many people that consume

our content obviously we do we do for entertainment to make that they make a

beautiful a beautiful day a bonita a bonnet and this and the other

but little to we're we're getting more and more and more and more and more

to a thing where we're We don't have only stories, that, actually is what

I've decided I'm doing to tell stories, because if you you're still scabando, every more,

we're getting and, well, I'm going to talk to me to a terrain, to a territory where

now we're not we're, we're we're referring to situations that yet can't be mentioned

in platforms conventional free, gratuit, for the fact, for the fact,

that, talking of this type of people to me get a invitation that

definitely I've to have to be not I'm did with a mal intention

if this person is being the live the video but one person me says

you know you want to know of the places where we're we're

we're we're like a place but but what they're what they

what does that is a place where they're what that's the people

and they're their things, what he they're of their and they do they

do they're specific of a certain religion and imagine it's a place in a

place practically is like a cemetery or clandestino and to do

make an investigation in a place not definitely no you can you can't

accept something there there there a story that I told

in the episode where we're you and I did you and I

don't let I'm going to tell because I want to listen to the podcast of Nazareth

but I want to tell us so much the context I'm I'm going is of a

person that's a a limpeas domestic and the

contract the family of a president municipal that is in

a in a municipality not I say in what but it's

in a municipality of Veracru and this a woman in the first summer,

discovered something very very strong. It was a house a lot of a lot of she was in

she was in order and she was a lot of and a day yeah it was just was a

little for that were the house and said that he started to get a

bad a lot but she described and he gave to think that possibly

he said that the patrons puti a more trampas or they're venero

for ratas for there and some of these animals he went to and he's to go to

get a because it was horrible and it was really and it and in that moment

and was looking where I was because I were going to get the

people and they were to get to find with a bad and

he started to get to the house until he he

went to one of the access but he opened the

door, and she thought she thought that was like a tracy of food that had been there, because

it was like when, imagine that they're like a cold, no, like a type pozole and they're in

the oya there, but they're just a little, up, up a lotita that's being a can't

a capa and a thing askeeroza and this woman, this quarter, this quarter no had

this, Luce, the when when you know what there there,

it's a really a infarto. But the history complete, they're going to

get in the podcast of Nazareth more that's that's the context general

because if there there's you know, you know, he's not that's not used to

this things, that for any person of the religion? It's something

no, then you know, well, you know, but a person that never

in the You know, imagine to be something. I don't I think that's the worst of all the

that you can't get to get to find this type of things. I think

the thing is when there a adepto, a person that's a person,

but no he knows. Okay. Because there reason, this type of people are capable

to realize atrocities creying that is normal in the religion, for what they get

to observe. Exactly. So, there is where there are the things of people

that, I know, they do do they do so to some some of those,

not use in this type of methods, they're rest of families, that are

that they were to be to start into of those of those

of those things that more to be going to talk a little more

more profundized. Sure that yes, list to start with

this thing, for favor production Los Valdez. Oh, what thing

That's interesting Yeah, it's very interesting Fugate that of that nobody doesn't know and unfortunately for here

standing in your studio there was a person that that me put that some sort of this class

of things as you know those Valdes were people people quite known and in the

Cine of Oro some some said that Tintan was the most known of

but I in the actuality me I'd rather say that Ramon Valdez is the most known between the brothers Valdez. A tip-a-so.

And, if even, then, then, they said that Manuel, the Loco, Valdez, also, also was a personage a very important,

I'm still maintaining that Don Ramon, was the most known of all. Why came to the thing that has

to be with with the druggeria, the energetical, the santae, about, mal-jamined santaia, The Valdes. If you're

analysis many of the films where Tintan and, and over all the Mr. Ramon, appear, like, for example,

this, that we're putting in on the panelerina Tongolele, that was precious. It was

prettyosia and it was making a series of balles that many people in those times

could say, well, it's a ballet totally normal, but let me say that many of the films where they're they're in, they're plagued of certain

concepts that have been to with rituals, precisely, that pertaince, a Ifa, to the santaia. And, in many of the films of Tintan, this says phrases that allude

precisely to the santaia, like, so, me going to over the Mwirt, so me to go to

the santo, even they're even mentioned orishas. And, fifte

that what me is really really of all this, is that all well

was so well in the cinema of the that for the person was a very normal.

So, pass desapercived and there many speculations precisely about the

sir German Valdez, that in those times was a celebrity at 100%

where this, when he took a visit, precisely to Cuba, he knows this religion that is Ifai and he gets totally enamored of her at the

grade of mention it in many of those films. And what also has to be something of really

of importance in this type of the movies, is that the ballets that they realize like here

appears Tongolele not Echos Alasar. Okay. Some balles that are very similar to those that are in the

ceremonies Yoruba. So, so it's fascinating really what was done in the Cine of Oro. I would

I would invite to the people that when they're the opportunity, go and they're this

type of movies that are from the years 50s approximately and they can't

that much of the balles, many of those or much of the elements that

appear in these films have really rhythms and racos afro cariveans that allude to the

santaia fiatty that is interesting because many people people thinkerian

that this type of that's that's just a lot more a type of a

dance when really really can get to something different with

another intention not we about about of being, was,

they were, I was, I was, it was a art martial. It's an art martial that was

an art martial that's we can't find out of other practices that in this case, of a

panel and the person can be things that it's a well, it's something not I think

that there something there's there. In the actuality in the actuality, many of the

things that are in box of all, is how the artists that we're going to talk to

some of them do some of those they're in an allusion to satanism for example that says no, this

person that took 50,000 persons presentes is a ritual in the scenario

standing all these people and some of them say well is something is something

normal right? Yes they're those people that were in the Cine

of Oro me atreveria say that were the first people in

doing this type of practice okay hey, delante of the cameras. Delante of the cameras,

delante of all the people and absolutely nobody is a go ahead of that's. Well, and aparted, was also

were also precursors of certain culture because these battles were full of erotism, ver a woman,

to be that form in those times with a little vestimenta, it was a very provocative. So,

so, mark them totally the time. For there are, even in the comments

mentioning names of artists super popular Shakira, Madonna. That, we're going to be in

a moment about, yes, because they've caused much a problem. One thing, well,

no, I'd like to know to your opinion. One thing is a good sceneography,

dances, and this and the other, but other other thing is, I don't know, I go, is my

thinking, and I'm going to give me obviously, but one is to get this

to a a type of ritual. No, what do you, what do you think of that? Faggette that, I've tried to investigate it very, very directly because it's a thing that me a lot much.

I mean, it's a lot of attention. And I, that I love to be in contact with persons that are satanists, for example, I've done the question. I go, oh, you, what do you think of these people who do these persons

that are elements, that utilize sigilos, that they use, even numbers, without any themor alluding

to satanas for example and that all this they're in front of many people

so I said it's functional for the artist so there something with the people

that what is like if they're like if the ritual no and the

response was too and the response you know that you don't want to be

part of the ritual no doesn't because the serve for who is

conscientious of him. But if the person is inconsient of that's in a concert where they're

doing a ritual and not want to be participes of the ritual but if the

concert, no so does absolutely nothing. So I would be for the

example, all this of the movies. If there any person that is

adepto that is in the religion and he is the ball practically, is that energy

as to give honor to your orishas. The intention. The intention 100. That is practically the element,

I would say central of the magic and the brugheria. If no exists, the intention, any time

the work of breweries, no exist. So, important is that what are some people who are

those bruchos is to potential that intention for that that the workeria is much more

more effective, and obviously more effective. Completely. Let's go to the next, because the theme of

Valdez is a very interesting. I want to talk to a person of the which no there's a information

available in the red, but that is one. I was going to say, no, it's.

For some, for some of some of the people, but it's one of the people, of the music in all the world.

The sun of Mexico, also, for some, the good Louis and me for the quattes, no, Luis Miguel. It's a theme interesting because in the year

2018 out of an evidente to make an affirmation that a much people to cause, well, there's a lot of a sombre,

much polemica. And is that something we can't negate, obviously, is the grand talent that has, Luis Miguel.

Louis-Migel, for me, is one of the voices with major talent. In the last years, is a talent

so impressive that this man has but obviously no

don't they're no they're information that's information that is

available for that you can look in the 2018 a

evident mentioned something that caused much controversy much

impression this person affirmed and mention that the

father of Luis Miguel when he he complete the 13

years it gives to be a ritual this ritual englova entities spiritual

this for what motive because well they mention that what mentioned this evidente no

I don't I'm going to say Paco is no I don't I'm saying I'm saying

what the evidente said and what you can look this was in the 2018

that what what they what they're what they're practically to put a Luis Miguel in some type of initiation where they were

involved in entities spirituals for that their career were a success total. The detail of this is that

what he says, what he is that is that this ritual is that can be complete, obviously

is it will be to do not but at the same time, he's like a spade

of double filo. You can do something but you can put perjudic in other

and she I'm going to textualment what he says, there's a spiritual that would

dominate the artist and this what would causeionary would be his instability emotional and

sentimental. This it's evident in the 2018, I only I just I just

the information that is the only that I can mentionar but if it's

this is this is a quite to give us this I personally

will to give my opinion I consider that Luis Miguel is, and I was a little bit, is one of the voices more impressive-assonanties and more talentosas that have

existed, and I don't want to quit the merit of the talent, of all the effort, of the years of career, because he started being very young, being a little for me, that is the very, well, the better of

fin, the true magic, the work and the exit. But what he did to mention this evident in the 2018, was practically was a

contraversial for many people even here there's a interesting for those who like to investigate a little more

in the 2017 the diary Basta, reported that Luis Miguel would be a cliente

of a manna to the he had consulted for more of a decade that was

like his gruco and that constantly he was constantly he was to help

him in different areas of your life as a life, to have

a better, to maintain their career well, and also they're

that if were in that moment a person that would be torpecing eliminate

to get to get a way. So, this caused a controversy. Obviously

this is information that is information that we're doing no, we don't know because no

will be a person that can malinterpreted but it's the information that

go around of Luis Miguel. You, what opinions, you know? No, it's that's super interesting the

thing of Louis-Migel. Fient, that I was heard that I remember in what media, but it was

a media of communication television, where they said that precisely his papa had acudied

but in Spain, with with chitano to do certain things, certain rituals, that sincerely of the

non, I don't have much information how is that they do all this

class of magic but precisely was that that's the lack of

fame for his his obviously that also that I'm and so are things

that are times that they're mentioned in the media of communication fiftate

that additional to all this well there there a controversy and much

confusion because in the year 2003 24 internautas, users, and obviously

fans also of Luis Miguel they're not a theory of conspiracy and in what I know

that many in the comments know of what I'm about, of the supposed

murder that he had and that today that we have been in concerts

and this is a person is like a double no, a person who came to

bring to support this this is something is a quite extreme

I've mentioned is a theory of conspiration very

extremist but there are people that are people who think they're

firmly and have taken so now so now so images

of before and mention and some certain some

certain factions that not the obviously for this

I consider that I think there artists that there

and things so obviously obviously it's going that

has 10 years or that has 15 years. Apart,

one person is overbegecing. But there are people who mentioning that this not, this information

or these data not are precisely of things things simply. It's that one person

could change and eliminate a rugga, but not could change aureh for other. And you

can, for example, of some times, where you see Luis Miguel more de-cir.

And in videos recientes, and in videos I've seen, and I have seen, is like very, very

distinct. No, no, I don't want to talk more, I'm going to do you, what do you do this?

No, so, well, are many speculations that's that's about this

situation, that I would say, in your voice. The clave in your voice.

It's being impressive. Sure, a years that you have a voice

impressionant. A me must be much much his music, his music of Louis Miguel

for to you're and so, are, um, speculations that are very

interesting but, well, so are these are these these people who are in this

type of stories. And I want to mention something very chistoso there that I'm to get the

trapitos of the productora but when we go to investigations or we're going to

go to we've always our vehicle and we put some some some

some some those classics no, not you can fall to learn but

it's a little information that exist in the social, even some of the

things that I mentioned are in pages of noticieros that's for who the information

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Okay. Okay. In this is... Yeah, she's... Yeah, she's... Yeah, yeah. It's a very interesting the information

of Newarka, because... Hasn't a little I saw, I don't remember who, who was, but they asked... So,

so... Yeah, that's... Did it in the comments? They said, You practice santeria. Uh-huh.

And she responded to a form epic. This, this, I don't practice santeria. Pertenesco

to the santaia. Sure. That, well, here I think we think we have to clarify a situation. It's,

right I said in a phrase that mal-yamated because not is adequate to call it

santeria. So, so he kept a name for the the, the syncretism

that are there in the religion. And also there's a question of Yoruba. That's

also is to clear also. Joruba is a Ethnia, of Nigeria. It's a ethnic, yeah, nothing

more. Ifah is the religion. Asi, Ifa, the religion, Yoruba is a community, we're going to say. So, here the question is in that she abutamity

says, well, that pertainse, pertinence to Ifa, has practiced rituals, says that, well, for to start, she's She is Cubana. And, being the Cubana,

that, all, we know that the Cubans have a grand asercamient, over all, Aifa, in his vertient.

And they're many rituals. Muchissimo rituals. She, she abirtaminted to have mentioned that, well,

she, always, always, has been in this religion with grand carino. And she

also mention that never has realized things negative. Sin however, he has some phrases

very interesting that always that they mention a me I'm a much muchism a lot of

I'm going to dogeria no, no for example I say I'm I'm imagine

the energy not the energy not a it's or for example when they do you

I'm I'm I'm I'm but also I'm I'm I'm

I'm they And that's I don't be so much that's so much

that we're and it and she she's a she's a child that this is

a a deid we're to say that it has been to be with the

fertility with the beauty with all what she could tryer obviously

for her that more that more we're going to mention to this same

deida for another investigated that we did of another

person Fidate that apart of this I'm the attention because he has

mentioned that in the house has more of 18 santo. Yes. I mean,

yeah he got a level I don't know I know the level that I don't

the religion but but it is interesting to know the the fact

to mention that with more to mention that I know the attention because

well I'm in a podcast the podcast of Jordi where mentioned things interesting

because he was making reference of certain rituals that they're doing in ceremonies what

even the same Jordan he called the impact is that she she mentioned

that in these sessions if you want to see see the position

where one where a person or can be she or it's another

person like the saint there is that there there's a that

that I need to use because it's the correct making a reference that the santo it gets to take and she starts to to have movements

quite strange and that's more than for the people that don't know the thing can't be something

or disagradable or to say oh it's that something else is all the contrary because it's not because it's

not precisely in some of the interviews that I've had been to Bavalaos to do you

I've mentioned to one of them for example what is what is what they're what they're when this he's going to

say you know I'm saying I'm seeing I'm seeing certain shusrots etc etc I thought I'm going to

say no but we're we've got we're we're tattas for us we're guien

no they're Promoveen that this type of manifestations are going going to

Okay. Because it's part, it's part fundamental of your religion. Uh-huh.

So, not it they're like something a little. Okay. No, no,

they're not a good to a point of view of because if those are doing, so they're

part of, and, and, then, then, it's excellent. The actually,

well, mention them that, they're, they're exists a don, that exists this capacity

to perceive different energies. Something that also is that's a form, well, what the people have

mentioned, and what is what gets recorded in programs of television, that is that when it's

that when it's notacada, occupa or he kind of his card of the magic and

mention to that that, okay, I mean that I can do, I don't know. That's what I'm the attention. And another thing

that we're trying in front of the investigation that we're doing, this is being dense, to be able to not we're doing

the in-vib for this. That has been accused of to go to certain refugios of animals,

perros, and that she has taken those perros to occupy those in rituals. This,

obviously, she, this, no is certain. For all the contrary,

I am to the animals, the naturalness, etc., etc., so I don't do that

with the kids. Well, the same that we mentioned in the principle.

So, for us something is an unacceptable. It's something that I would do not

I mean I have my and I want to have to have to more?

No, oh, yeah, precisely we're to adopt more, but

more that they can no, it's part of the ritual, forget I

I'd do I do But what is there where she has in Nigeria does the

do you? For them, it's something normal. Normal. For us not. Yeah,

have been cases of Bavalaos in the city of Mexico, over all,

that, practically have been taken to the carcel. Because they're doing

this type of rituals there, but why they're they're because certain

use of animals for this type of practices are prohibited, not for

prohibit the religion, but the doing that the animal is a delit. But there

in those cultures, not they're in the same way, the laws function are

different, and like it's the part that the people don't understand.

It's curious because this, well, this this theme precisely we've

talked much in seragaran shus because there's a

double moral in this no? Yeah, because Well, you say, you're on this

side or something, but you come some tachitos to a bistet, to the pastor. And really, if we're also we're also

the process of those animals, until the plate that you have to come in the time, it's a pretty.

Completely. So, they're going to a state of stress and the suffering maximum, that I think

that any that any even even even even even, even even, even of these people,

that are, that are very within of this religion, that also have their tautas

in Nigeria, mention an something that's really a one of many of the testimonies

of the satanists, for example. Where they they said, you know, you know, we're

that we don't know with the major respect of the world and we give us

to the mother for give us the opportunity to have to have to this

that is that will help for our ritual, but that also that also

also that's going to help us for alimentar so this this data is very interesting

because fiatte that is very curious that we mention we in all the

rituales or for no that is what that is what me confirm

for the originality of the Nigerian us could say all

those animals that in the rituals those consume so

they're all all all. And even one of them I asked about that we're talking about

about the brujeria in the power in the political that we're that we're about a person super enormous

that used a leon for example I had that information and I asked a baby a

say if all you if all they're in this ritual me you want

to say that they were they're that they said very certainly

they're They've eaten the leon. And, and me mention a, the carne of the leon is very good. All right. So, but we're going to the thing. All right. It's a practice

100% normal. We'llemes another example. We're not, in one of those cases, we'd probably a perro or a cat?

Jamas. For a lot. But in some areas, like for example, in China, but they're They don't get to but

they're but they're but they're cultures different are different and what for them

is a normal for us not it's not it's that it has to obviously

the culture all all the all the customs that you do you you can

you know a no say a a a sop a mursielag no precisely

or precisely or precisely if you if you you're a person of an

person of the india if a car of a carne of they'd because for them the reces are

sacred and then all depends of the culture 100%. If you know, I'd like to make a question

your mom well, I've mentioned in various episodes of podcasts with various creators that you've been

invited to that's dedicated to be the thing of and to you took in some moment

to be that you occupy into of his elements animals? Figate

that if did it he was used to use but not the form

that all they would they to take the animal it, and Tend, to offer us. No. The animals, it was used to form

protector. Okay. She was a fiel credent of that the mascots, for example, are the major protection that you can't have in a house, and they're going to do things quite interesting with the animals, for putting to

an example. And I've experienced, I've, has a little time, eh? In fact, or not that you guys that I want to tell an anecdote, too? before that get the

end up you or before to get to your kids very

certainly those animals those are to be and if we're

about about attacks attacks of mald etc the animals are the

are the are like a film we're like a natural where the

animals are they're all front of you and are merely

protectores so so see I get to be, pardon,

uh, distinct situations where my mom was and my mom was always

in occasions for the animals, they were, then they were in the cell of the

animals, in both words, but not it was it was because she was

because they're because they're so little partied. Fidate that we took us

a rato, the episode was, actually was with my man

And one of the Relatons that we know of the story of a animal that receives a perr

precisely decided to receive that attack in best that he he gets to he'll get

to his and he he will do it and they're going to do the animalitos fiatte

that this that I'm about three days is very recent in my house house of

all of you have cameras of security for questions obviously of

security And I have a gattita that those who who are seeing in Instagram yeah know a

my nina who don't know her I'm gonna to know her to know her to say in Instagram

Paco Aareas 369 and I always do stuff because I am going to work

I'm in the table and she when she go to work and decide to go and start

and put a patting the button and then then a so I so I saw

stories where So, it's decolada in some moment. But, but he was

his babycitos, he was five gats, that, I'm going to say, we'll say, we'll adopt,

adopt, do you. We'll adopt do, adopt two, got two, got two, three nights.

It was a very interesting. It was at the madrugada. I'm getting, investigating

a little information for the conversations future. And I kept in my secretory

of my recamara, I'm going, I'm reading, I'm to first

to feel something something like you see the vibra of your house

you know you know the energy that has you know to get to start something

I'm very rare passing like two three minutes I'm to hear

I'm in the cell in a plant back and I think

what is and I'm seeing feeling like that

malestar like that pesadess. And when I see the camera of the cell, me they're in the attention, because you know, has to be

my gata, my nina, is a part in a part like, like, like, like, it's like, like a little, no? Like, you. But

I'm the attention because it's near where they're where they're their babies, his, uh, his gattitos, but with the view, so,

to, asia, to the place, so, I was in a point where I'm here and my kids,

but also I'm like doing, doing my chambas, no, what I do to do

care here to care the house of my and my amos. So I saw it

and I saw the because you know, my cat was in a mode alert and

was like and I still being feeling like that that pesad so. Passed

a time, I put to do a lot and he went to and it

after that I felt that the things were more tranquillars, me will go to somer and

yeah she had gone with his gattito. So, to what I'm going, she's like she, she's, she's,

and he, I got to be so that's my attention because you say, ah, at times, the animals in

your mom had all the reason of the world with that she said, yeah, and actually, well,

my mom was a little more adept to the, or more as farcated to the perors.

Of course she, she had fervientement in the what are the legends

Mechikas, for example, and I said that we need to try to get to be the animals

because if one could trycend to form adequate, that animal the most was in

your life, is the was the was that you were to be to be so,

and if you don't want, in that that that's then you then you

have to try to well, that you think you I'm that's that's

cool, that's the a lot, we're going to call it, hilly, oscuro,

where if is a lot this liquid vital, obviously of the animals to be able to be able to get a

certain deity. And this, maybe much are impressionen, but for the people that form

part of the religion know that is completely normal. Yes, is normal for them.

And the same that's a moment. I have a great admiration for the

people that's in this religion. where they use these animals. Because there's a reason,

the same that we mentioned about the double moral, or so, we're not we're not what we're

what it's, or how parted this animal, to get to our mess. They,

for the minutes, they're the care to give all the power possible before

to send to the other world. And apart, they're they're they're using for their

rituals. And there are people who say, no, it's that horrible and that's they're doing the rituals

and because they're running the life, and you say, a bit, you questiones

that when you come's your poe your rostisado for example? No, they don't do it.

So, for that part, I do say, there's a double moral immediately.

Right, right that you said, they're they're they're they're that the

animalito is completely in PAS. Recorded one of the anecdotas of Adolfo

Constanso, for who not he he could know he for, well, for all the

world, known as the leader of the narcosatanical when when, then,

then, precisely to a person that is the culpable of that they're

able to get them, mention that when it when they're they're they're

They'd give the more food, he put in a camera a room and they

they'd they're in a little and then this chabba was saying well, that's

strange and he's the trangas Oh, yeah you get the point. Yeah. So,

practic, practically, or so it was that all like with the animalito? Exactly.

Exactly. So, that's very much because this student that was a student

was a confunded this is written in things that mentioned a Sardrete was the

one of the one of the many of the two of a lot of that he was a confundit because in

some moment he thought that's very well when he's when he gets the trancaso

we're going to get the time but before production before we're going to

let us let us let us because we're we're we're we're

we're here Norma says I know I've had a perrito, and I in November

I'd start fieltro to to sell fieldered in December, and my perrido was together, and of the nada, ladrava the nada, and it was fulled, and his o'clock, of the lagoias. I think of the lagoes. Oh, that's interesting.

If you said, for here, we'll send a salood, look, for here, too, we're here, too, we're talking to Anna Paola. Saludos to Annapola, Saludos, to Valeria Cuevas. Saludos to Gustavo. Can you? Can't

send a little salutes there, man. Yes, he says, yeah, I I have the channel, I have the channel of WhatsApp. Saludos, I'm saying, hello,

Paco, says Lourdes. For favor, have been about Robert Carlos. Robert Carlos? Oh,

the, that can't here my mesa? Uh, I think he was more aser-

so, yeah, to the religion, but yeah, he's made a Christian,

very Catholic. Ah, okay. Yeah, because he can't the songs iconics that

have to with Christ. Okay, but that was before of? I think

that is I think it was before. Okay, okay. Dicey, I'm very fanatic of Jose Madero, and I'm sure that there's a lot more occulted behind his fame. In fact, there's a song of Pepe Madero

that narrows a encounter a encounter that took with a person, not precisely human, that's a interesting, in his moment we're talking, and there's, I think, much people a part of this song,

because, obviously, because, obviously, the artists in his songs, normally express in this type of situations and is what it's what

he wants of the speculation. And saludos to the good pasto. What's there?

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a lot of a brus Anita. And now see, now we're with a person that

I'm sure, sure, sure that much said, obviously would be to be going to

the person of the list of the we're talking. For favor, production, me can't help?

Shakira. I, holyly, the fact is, it's impressive. The quantity of controversy that this artist has been

in their shows, in those events, in his concerts, because when you were a rata of persons, of artists, that,

more than the scenography and of the balles, it would be a event more ligated to

a a ritual I think Shaquira, to really is that into these people who are you? Sure.

Yes, fiftate that was what we said a moment of how some artists, over all

artists that are people, they use many elements that are certain religions or a certain factions that for

us could get to get to transgressors or that are totally out of what we know

we know and even even we we've got to be like something negative. And it has been of the

artists that more have been seen that are in this type of acts in those in those

scenes. Okay. Fiatty that, well, principally a evident and for

here I think the notation is that what they mentionan is that Shakira

has been one of the person that more has been attacked by the media.

It's one of the people obviously they're in the ojo public.

Obviously, in some moments we're going to talk to talk with that but she is one of

the people that's that's been more attacked with the people who have done

and this he mentioned this abdent is that has been his ex-sueger and we're going

to call her your socia no? Uh-huh. Well, for the people who

how do you know? No, is that fiftate that That type of affirmations, no I do, no dodo.

Simply that there's courage of in this type of relations of Suegra or ex-sueger, I can't say from my position of the type of things that I get

to observe with my mother, are very commones. Okay. They're very common that they want, you know, I want to do the

life impossible to this person, no I want to triumph, no care that he goes well, but as

people that are at those levels of popularity, of power economic, you think

that they're that they can realize the protections that they need to they need. Sure,

it's evident. I think that are people who are people who are definitely to the

thing magical. A Shakira has leagued much a long of the

years with the moniacos, that, well, van from the youths, from maintaining

their career exitosa, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Incluso, there were mems

of mal gusto, because mentioned that he had a pactos to have a part.

So, so is obviously, a meme of a good, I'm not I'm

talking I know the but it's one of the person that definitely has been very

has been very has been much more than more than

There are people I've talked to people that mention that the ballet of Shakira no is casuality and I want to send a good Payer Rogers that when I'm talking about

with him he said that the form, the ballet of Shakira no is as a little innocent or what we've

we've got to we've been this in a camera and we know we don't know we don't know we don't know

we can't is a little about the thing, we'll call the esoteric spiritual,

you know, you know, there's a intention behind of that's the and that has generated

much controversy referent to Shaquira in those events and about the fact, the famous

pacto demoniac that's supposed, or that she said, you know, you know,

what you think it's, it's super interesting in talking about this type of things

that are in the scenario, and let me mention to a situation that is very interesting,

especially in this type of scenarios that grand. With many satanists that I've talked about about this type of themes, there was one that was really much

the attention, especially of the satanists that are atheists, that as we've seen in some of the capitals that are approximately,

there are some practices satanists that are not so extreme, but have to be with with rituals.

For example, it would to show one of the things that they're in the scenarios

that in the satanism atheists they're they're in the psychodramas that I

let me say that I saw I saw some some of the presentations

of she in some many spectacular where is

very similar to a psychodrama or they they're they they're

they put in the cabra put in different situations but, fagate,

I'm going to how is that I understand the question is of the psychodramas. Dentro of the satanism

atheists, they're not in making an offer an offercement to X Deiad for that to do

a change. They're in that you, you, you, with your effort

you can do you do you that's this effort all this enthusiasm that you have,

it can get to get to potential specialize, realizing a ritual. But in what consists of this ritual?

In that you, electing a deity that you want, you're going to you're going to, you're going, you're going to

you're going, you're going to investigate the fund, the deidad that's it, and you, you're going to

do that this ritual. And when you're you're going to do you, something something very

similar to what they do they're doing in their scenarios, but they represent them to this deities. So, many of the people not get to comprehend this

class of shows, but the grand majority can't seem psychodramas. Okay. Things that are some of the satanists atheists. If there's an intention of, there's a... There's an intention deters, but it's functional

only for the person that is representing. So, that would be functional only for it. Okay. It's curious, because I'm going to, right now we're going to talk to these things,

I'm looking some images that obviously for the copyright we can't put it in the entire,

but if there elements that is evident that is evident that is making a reference to a

encounter with demons because he has represented bruchas, has represented a figure

of the figure of the macho or pardon of a satanaz and the And the questions with the

fire and his dances, if you are even a person mentioned that is like the representation of the

esposa of Lucifer. That is what they go going to the comments for the form and also

of the movements that I said a little I mentioned that she does during these events

but the elements about much too too also for example we've seen you

have done the element the element of the element of to you have some significate?

Well, completely is, of the elements principal and not only only from

the other the laws occultists so, also, also, also, the law

Catholic Christian, the fire has great representation of purity of the limpeza

and, and then of the circles occultists the fire is very,

very, but very utilised and important. I think those, these psychodramas, if

they get to observe with major attention, the persons that they like to see this type of content, or to go to this type of concerts, I think that if if they were to analyze each one of the elements

that they use, how they use, and if you know a little of the representation that an friend me says that is very similar to what are the masks, um,

uh, they'd be fascinated. Or so, because they're all the elements, All those elements In this case You and to the

Obviously it's your opinion personal It's very different To the opinion of some people You'd say that you did Some type of pacto Look, I'm It's, well, from the point of view

That I think That I could say Okay So, of how I I think they're going That's the same And the same That's the same time

That's been your ultimate live I think that has grand force the intention of the person

or has great power what is to the point is to get?

But what that is the point to you do you do you do

you with a supposed pacto put let me that that

that that that he says that I'm I represent

to this deida I have the power to do what I

Like if it was a mantra. I mean, it's a repitient every that's a concert. And you're to do you want to do you want. So, I think

that's the of the Pactors. It's very that. It's very very, and it has much power, completely

has to be much power. And is that, well, here I have, the data, it was in the 2013 in

one of the MTV, she, she, she did a show, and there was testimonies of

persons that were to mention, that sentian in a kind of an species of an

Ambient Osteal. I mean, not is the classic ambient, I mean, a concert, but they mentioned about a type of an ambient hostile, pesheds,

like scalofrills, that were moments, because if in, in, into those other of those last concerts, there have been

representations claras of elements symbolical, no? For example, we're just, we're just

we're just about the symbols, we're about these seels that we can get to find

in books prohibits like books that have been the clavicle salomonic and that's

type of pantaculos no? And of let's let's a bit for the

people that we're seeing what what type of deidad or what element

could represent a serpent for example she she, she something

she has or her represented during much years the use of the

serpient to be to the people that is here what What does

say the Serpient if we invululcrum with the things of religion,

energetic, satanism, no see. A bit what they're a moment. But it was an

element that he used completely and there people that also they were

with the form of the way. That's very similar to what was a a serpent

precisely. And is that we we're going to get to the thing central,

the intention is not a thing is a obviously it's a

that's a that has a that's a way to be I'm going to I think I consider I think I'm

there's a intention not not so not so call it so far see for here

Sotchi Rosales the serpientes is the demonio says Arito Pecado

Alchamuco Lucifer well it's a little a sabiduria well yeah a context

different Sure, that is, Saviduria. Lojuria, lojuria, sure. So, it's one of the

many of the many of the many of the family is mentioning that the family are saying, and by the way, it's

certain that Shakira is Illuminati? That's that's not I've been managing, but also

there have been speculations of that they're in circles yeah very of the elite.

Sure. That precisely mention a those Illuminati. Persons that know people who know

people who know people who control all practically no. We've talked about

many times of this time because I know not those

don't they and two affect in a form the channel because no

I know but can get to affect a channel in YouTube to

talk to this group and when I think a little

group really really I know a little group

of people that can control really all what we know what we're and it's a theory of

a conspiracy of a hypothesis of that practically Shakira is not not maybe directly part of this group

but if has to some nexus or vinculos with this group and that for

that also also also also about that certain carrigas have maintained with success for

many years because if we're we're artists that surgen emerge, and they're

and they're, and it's like they're going to grow super, super-alt, and of a point, fs,

they're in this type of things. And so, like the incognites that are surginging,

of that this, it's like, it's like, and so that's the one of many, and

there are people, and the industry musical, that mentioner that you saying that

in this level, is when they're when they're to make inviations to get

private to certain fiestas that are even some were made in some of

some islands and I don't do you know that's not that's not I can't do this but well

I don't know go more to all the thing so so here we're things very things that

has to have to with things very very And, of really, much people think that it's fiction

or that are things that are not but if, if so are reales and if it's going to. You, what do you think, you know,

so, all these things are and, yole, is that's fascinating to talk of this type of situations where the

artists are with the things magicos. Fiatte, in the theme of the Pactos,

Nazareth, you've talked with many people satanists, teists, of much variety. What has been

your conclusion really of the satanism that you can't put us to look at the satanism is that the

question of the satanism is super amplia like there we've been a platic that has

got to the time not all those satanists see the the devil

like a figure deifika they they're they're they've they're

they're we're they're they're to be their own Dioces or

so practically you are the creator you are the person that can do you do you

do you do you do you do you do you do things and the question of

the pactos after a certain point has been tergivers because

because much of what the people know like those are

a through the movies exaggerated documentaries documentaries exaggerated

cases of people that did people who did you're saying that they're saying that satanaz

and that thanks to those those those those atrocities and the actually

I remember I said I said a little time that he's me mentioned

it in some of those we're we're we're there's there's

the case of a person that put in the social precisely

that he he was regied for the satanism that Satan, me accompanies,

and he did a and he said, and all what he said and did absolutely nothing to

with satanism. I think that's the type of problems that you know they don't know

how functioned the satanism. That the people, for the simple to think

that is something negative, all the things negative that get to get

to do they're to what they're to what is satanism, but

for nothing they have relation. Well, I consider, I mean, what happened with many

religions is that with the past of the years, obviously, were, were, were, like,

were coming new ramifications into other ramifications, and it's when we've got to a satanism teist,

a, a satanism more philosophical, more more, more, to a satanism

labellano, where they see, the figure of satanas like a figure of a figure of

liberty and things but also, Obviously, we have the satanism traditional, the satanism that comes

even the persecution of brujas, the satanism that is really with invocations, with sacrifices, with things that in glub,

we're talking about in Sargan, a sustra is an episode that you can expect, it was good the ad occulted

of the satanism of persons that today now are raying the satanism and they're getting more to a

theme of terror yon ista. So, because they're trying practically recuperate the old traditions and continue still still even implementing and luching to reviv. That's what you're doing.

Yeah, they're just on extremists. That's the word. Are you're extremists and yeah, yeah, lamentably not so can negate that part of persons that took, well, the law, the law 100% negative of what is, a contrary or a

satanus. And they say for there Paco, why not you know you can't talk about

about the and all of that's in content exclusive. That's what I would be

but I would have because in a little here here not is a

senseura and here is a time more more because if there there's

only there can say if there's there information to be Imagine

to be, I mean to you to the person if a person can't get to this information that we're

we're able to get to do with the contactos with the time. And we're we're doing a lot of

that's a person, to be in a moment, I do it even in a content exclusive

that very few people will be to be, you have put to that someone of them

know, no they don't they don't like it. No, he would not be

and he's and it would to get to get We've talked to things much more

more farter. Yes, because engloba many situations where the person

that was, for example, the person who was, he went to the sea,

for situations strange. And impossible. Yes, because I was waiting a sentencing. Where I

was going to go to confess, and in form a interesting. This person said that

said that desscribio of the life, of the life of form

rarestim. So, it's very complicated to talk to do that. It's very difficult

to talk. And is that I know the time, because I like to generate that

consciousness in the people, it would like we talk about it like we know, but

if it's something. No, no, no is nothing of that is really really a

reality that we are really really a moment? Yeah, I don't see the fallecid

Kurt Cobain Uh-huh Oh, so, when I was still Okay. That says, I know of

the isla where they're to get to those artists like us. I'm neged to go to that is

he said in a video. It's a very interesting because nobody he didn't, I mean,

nobody he said, and we were talking of many many years. Ah, man,

imagineate, not, all what what happened and still on, for favor

production, we're going to the the Oh, and many, many were there were speculating

of this woman of Galilea Montijo also the thing magical, no, you can't

you can't you can't say of that and she about, how it's about in Mexico about that

that's immolucrated with themes of burglary they're saying that sateria but yeah

so, so it's so it's about the situation of Galilea. There's a situation very interesting that,

well, not is something that can corroborate at the 100%, but in some

reportages recent, there were no supposed periodists who were they were

to continue. The commensar to continue, they were practically seeing that was what

was what was what was and according his testimonies of these

people well, she gave to some galleinas, some animals, a one

a colony not so very not so a great of the city of a

one a lot a little and they're just to a

area where there some some those baval to

realize some some little so so I don't

have absolutely nothing anything that pertenska but what I

really interesting is like for what I would to realize these rituals.

Some some speculan that it has that it's that it's that one of those

were to maintain in the the panel so that if we know

it has been of the few present that has done

many many many many many and that's and

that's famous and another of the the of the

supposed motives for those that she acude to these rituals to

to give to a certain orisha that he's giving that's doing

so so it's very interesting all what is

about she and it and is super mentioned

the thing of Galile Montico you consider well

when when you said right a certain uh what

you to you Precisely. The same, the same, the same, the same,

to Newark, that is, is a child. Uh-huh. I think that's the same, because,

because it's the goddess of the beauty, of the fertility, of all what good

that could be to a woman, no? There, there's an element that form

part of a ritual. This ritual has the finalidad of to tryer you,

beauty and and youth and actua like the elixir of the eternal that's a ritual

is very complex and I am a attention because it's present in various

cultures in various religions even even if we to us to be to

a burghiria traditional is present and this element principal that is

you need because if does count that it's created

like a type of balsamo or an winto and he prepare and

it's to start and you know of those these so you know that

is this liquid vital. Ah, of what we mentioned in

content exclusive. Exactly. There is that you know they're saying they're putting

a word that we don't we can we're we're we're

like we so we there is there so there is there's Exactly, for that

that same element that you rejuvenece, that is incredibly powerful what can get to get toorgar to a human. And it's

for that it, well, form a part of these tantos of these because to get to

this, to obtain that elixir of the eternal juventus, well, obviously,

yeah, there was a process inhuman, a process that, of the truth is indescriptible for all those

these platforms because if it's a lot of much suffering. And, and, and the actual we mentioned about

before before to enter to the age, the fact, that was the that was of the 73? Ah,

73? How many, people, that's here in the chat, how's a time, if it's of

the 73? And it's still being prettyo. Well, I think he's, yeah,

he's pegged to get the account, rapidism, obviously I'm going to

but I'm thinking to take into account many times because it's good, that's a exercise,

food, food, food, diversity of things, surgeries, so of all,

but there there are people that no, with all and that's not, and that's yeah,

me gave the account exact, thanks, thanks. If I, I was so,

now, now, now, now, now, now, obviously, but

But, well, within these rituals, Erbando, your mom to give to talk to you

to talk about and they're doing it. No, that's so is much too. So,

you know, you have heard of other ritual? No, think that my mother no,

no, not realized that type of rituals, but if I have known to people

in the actuality that that are certain rituals with some deities,

so of the people, to do to, that, that's, that

that's, there's one of the methods that me, it's me made fascinating,

fascinating, fascinating, fascinating, that I'm that I'm that I'm where I'm, where I'm,

the, the magic glamour. Wait, there's a question that I'm a to say,

and you, Pucko, how has gotten, you've come to geted for the fame,

well, working, the people that knows the channel, has I've seen how the program,

how started the project in a little, working, obviously, subing content, being constant,

studying, studying, make that effort for to do that the objective.

How could you could say, for example, that they're doing that's doing your

your not you're doing your objectives. If into your practice, there's

pure flojera. And not publics videos or not do do you have what you have to

do you? Sure. So, we're just we're going to that, for example, I'm

desprended to my family for to be my content and that I see,

oh, me are doing burglary, and for that's what I'm going to be crescent. I mean, that's what we're

referring with the question of the effort. Of all, it's saying that they are saying

that they're doing things and that's, or that's doing things energy, and that that's

that's, the same for the other the other the other. So, yeah,

it's a good, we're in these things, are things that are things that we're

there can have to a bit of a sense common. I

think that is what the component of any of any of the part of the fact to make a deed that pact a

contact with you himself, pacta with you the effort to say probably probably today me going to get to

do this and I'm going to do I see in my case you you have seen how we've done

we've we've done we're more or less or two months three months advanced because we

we just we're just doing the more content to all the people and if there much work there's a lot of people who

think that'ser doing or do it's a time. In fact, you did you did you know to get back

to get us to get us to prepare, to prepare, the live, the live that they're being in this moment

so it's to prepare from the two of the time. No, from the last year with the

things, since today with with with us with the two of the time for to the six we're starting

there are times where we're obviously are many things that are in production fail a little and we're

a 30 minutes 30 minutes the maximum but if it's because it's due to many things that's

during the preparation of the in-vib so we're going to we're talking we've said many times

all what we have been learned conformed the march and it's how we do so it's

what we do we're in that's exactly the perfection all this question that question

that's why why reason we're we're we're we're that many of these

people that are that are that are that are they're they're they're

to realize things if they they're to get in certain things so

then also also So, to have the sense of common that not all of not all of

it's a question energetic, but are people that are people who certainly in some moment

they're to get to get to where they're that they've used things like or situations

that of that we're that we're that we're that's not important to the question of your

effort too that's I think the base to have the result We're going the

ultimate theme of the night for forward production because nobody

never ever that we're to talk about of Juan Gabriel the fact it's

a matter that me fascin that me fascin't the good Juan Gabriel

when I know of one of the great talents that Mexico knew

that he put in in alt the name of Mexico

that not only only but also he's a moment very

very firtes and feeling a lot of with the rostro and then the writing that were

a no see an before and a I think my Huangga I think exactly

I mean I'm sorry I'm when we're when we're when we're when we're when we're

we're more and we can find the songs of Wuling Hanga but if there

there is there is there much information detract of him. Ojo, I'm going to say something.

What I'm going to mention is information that is available for that you know, and you're going to do with that

information, but if there's information. And I'm surprised. I don't know you, what you do you

don't know, and there's some of the testimony that I'm going to talk about it. There are many things

to talk. There's a person who was very intimate of Juan Gabriel. A person who or took

a or took a very very much with him that after this person

came to say, for so to say, for so say to say, said,

said, said, he said, he said, practically those impact, for a

production can put the image of the person that this person

named link email. She she, practically was a great

a friend and person intimate of Juan Gabriel and is this person

the person that he started to mention information we're going to call so

information about our our great John Gabriel for example

here here the investigation that was doing this not

time was in the 2023 and this woman affirmed

that Juan Gabriel before to go to a scenaries

he encomendable to certain deities and that even in his

camerino there had altars with veals with elements even

things things like animals with all the interno

exposed this this this person in October in

October of the 2003. She says, oh, this, it's she

and he mentioned, that she not only only was not only he was in the carerina,

but I also recurried to certain places for certain rituals, like, like,

the basic, no, I would to me make a little bit of a a little

a dispojo and all this type of situations. She was still

present. It's what mentioned in a like the master Juan Gabriel

was practically he commendable much to the theme spiritual, esoteric but what he called attention

is that in all the camerinos were present these elements the altar, the bells and things

so quite very fertes even here I think the one of the one of the phrases that mentioned

because he said every every he was to go to do his

brujerias so So, here is the first, because she gave to mention

even even practice magic a black. This woman

was mentioning all this. We can go back to the previous. So,

apart, he said something also the attention of much because he said,

I don't mention all what I know, but I to make a book

where I'm to mention every one of the one of the things

that Juan Gabriel did in the practices esoterical because

he's very remarked the magic black that was present in this ritual

now this this woman obviously desatow much controversy some

some many and pages mentioned also that that like Shakira

he also he also was in this cumul of this cumul of persons

that had pacted his life, pacted for to have

to have to keep and to make something that's something that's a quite,

I mean, he's a real talentazzo, of the really, so, so,

so, so, so interesting, so super nato also, and that in some moment

he was perfectioning I, I would considerate that he would be a pacto,

but I know you do you don't know, but here there's a situation that was the

that was a moment that has to be to be with him. There are many people

that are in the city Juarez, but not he was a city Guarres.

He was of Michoacan. The Paracuara or Michoacan. There is a testimony very interesting

of a person that that I thought a lot of what I was saying because

I said he was he was the person that was talking there was talking about

that I'm the idea that Juan Gabriel was the Ciudad Juarez. If you were they said in the divo of Juarez.

Yes, yeah, precisely. And then, Arriva, Guarres. It was for that, precisely because he, he, well, practically

there grew or practically there was his life. But he was in Paracur. There's a

testimony that I heard of a person that said, precisely of, Hakona, of Hacona,

in Hacona, very very, very sercano to Samora. The testimony was that both the parents of him as he went

constantly with a person that was able to read the cards, that was to do things, and diversities of things. Where is the

testimony interesting? Where a person, precisely at this person, at a certain his lecture, he gave a,

what could be to be a prophecy, something that would be going to be a future, and he says you know,

you know, you what you're going to be to be able to do you be able to do you,

but you're to be going to be always only. So I did, I said,

I don't me quadrava in that moment, but you when I put to investigate

a little about if if it was really of Michokan I,

I know with the surprise of that he was of Michoacan and

aggregating a little his his father was a so

there's some there was some there I'm to connect to that

I'm a person and was a person a pretty very

but so I'm so that so information right

yeah in the case in the case there there there

certain letters of Cansions. Recurred us He wrote also his songs. Kereida form a part

also of one but the that me impact much is the song No, not paguen the light,

no. You know, you've an interview I think, I've been for here the year, this

2001 in Spain, he realized in an interview where Juan Gabriel expressed something that

I don't know what I was and, and, I really me boled the

question. He said that of other planet, of the planet era. And he says, I am errant

but not errant. But I'm of this planet. And in his song, no apaguen the light, of 1999,

include certain verses that make allusion to these declarations that he mentioned. For example,

in these verses, mention a more than the sea, of that the mar

of the stars, of those six planets, of there I'm I'm I'm I'm

a planet and he was my home but a war a power apow

the light to me I'm to the so then he

mentioned and he did these declarations that say let a

be a in the sense of that he he he he

he he was he was in other other place that

not like a terrible So, yeah, about of a supposed

origin extraterrestre. That is what desat much controversy and it's in that song,

I'm going to listen, no, apen the light, it's of the songs biggit,

is of 1999, but in that song he mentions that he not is here,

and that he came to a planet that's that's more than the six planets

known. Yes, the fact, that, well, is a little that we're

we're talking but what polemica was when they were this this chism

of that he was he was and they were and they were and so his representantant well

ex-representant was saying in the next fash they're going to be that

Joaquin Muiole Joaquin Munoz ex-manager justly as you mentioned desatow much

controversy pardon yeah you're you're saying a chambuco. This, desatue much controversy.

Because, yes, this was in the year of 2018, no time, he gave a lot of he said,

he's done in his house, he's that he's a comod, and he going to be

to get. And more that's that's he got a couple, as we said here in

Mexico, because, he mentioned of a fact, he, he, he's,

he fined his murder, but he found a well, he's It's a comod but he

will appear the new the 15 of December then he's going to mentioning that he was to

go to the 7 of Nero and so obviously he started to lose practically

the credibility not to say this this or this okay so that so that was what he

started to get the attention of that that Juan Gabriel really

is a real and that fined his murder but why

why he would be the reason the reason of fingir the There's much

speculations about that situation. That, well, you what in your life, what

would be, in your years, of the concerts, of things in other countries,

program, success, in their totality, simply, realizing a podcast. When do you

do you know, you know, almost you never time for start realizing your job.

Now, imagine going to escenaries, interviews, an agenda full all the days. So, until a certain point,

I think would be the theory more a certain, in my opinion. Sure. Yeah. So, who'd is a person

that she wants, that no want to look that it, that no want the focus public, and,

and, passing, making you to pass by other person, you go to another person, you go to

Well, precisely, no, one of the of the tantas reasons that they're saying, why, for what, for what fingering to sumart? Well, number one, they're talking of a supposed, a supposed, pardon, a suppuesta,

but obviously the most logical is what you commentas. Kere to have a life normal. Uh-huh. Kere, for the most to enjoy, maybe the last

the last years that restan, in peace, at the more go to a little to a time in chanclas

in shor tranquill and not be probably imagineate if in this moment imagine we know we we're going

to talk about to Toctepe not coming no no they don't imagine imagineate no

it's a an alborotto tremendous so I think precisely what you mention not so so many

so years being a person that's a person that's a is a certain, this theory of conspiracy of this hypothesis,

I think that if you was to be quite the years that rest. It's the same that's the same that's the question of Peter Infante.

Ah, yeah, that's, but there was, this, but there was for other reasons in what it's that's

that he's also, well, he had never, he has, uh, the fact, uh, he said,

he said, to the information that I brought him, he, he, he, he, he, he,

in some in some films. Ah, so, directly, he, he,

he, he can't some orishas. But to what I referred to him

was that many, much, in that time they said that he had

had finged his murder because he had certain nexus with persons

dangerous. And, and as to disappear of his and so he used to pass

for, for, has been. It's a firt, fiat, it's a thing that

we're talking that many people have heard about for theories of conspiracy and there we've got

to more artists, no, like Jenny Rivera, this, that's, like,

like, like, the form. The fact, it's very similar, the case of her.

Exactly. Exactly. The actually, and, fifted that's an interview

of her and I got impacted, because there's a, the interview

only is in audio that he was an producer that's in programs of

talent so I'm forget the name but this person was the last person

that that she said that the interview he said with very

bad cameras with very bad audio and the only

audio that had in a disc and he

said this woman to the interview the producer

you You know, I think I'm going to start because I feel, because I'm, that's, that's,

that's after me and all this. At the 15 days, I think what was what was the situation of the car.

No, man, if... If that's interview, it's actually. That's a thing, that's a time

that all the time we're going to be a somberer, all the time we're going to know, that what really happened,

it was like the media it said, or there something something more oscuro that the people don't

want to, well, a group of people don't that you know, how do you do you know? No,

but very very well to talk of these things. Something, something we know,

Pepe Garza, yeah, yeah, they're doing for here. It's Pepe Garza.

Exactly. Thank you. For that for the interview, no? Yeah, it's very

good. It's very good, it's very because he he said all the thing as a little

time, it's a little time, it's well, I was quite pretty well, very,

very nutritive here the live. It's too very interesting, no? Production us could put to put

for a page complete for us, the really, I'm a pasted quite,

it's very interesting to all what we were talking, it's some things that generate

all the time, much, much, and that, you're a person that's a

person who is a person to talk to talk to talk to for you, NASA. For all

the people that we're finalizing the en-vibo that you are the first your radio

social, for favor. Well, for there those I'm there you can find more

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Thanks to all, family. Much thanks for having accompanied to these amants of the un-knownstead my good

friend, no, amateurs of the unacened, amants of the mystery, of the terror. Much thanks.

It's a pleasure to be with all of you. I'm a very, a great, a brotherado,

and we see more in a new episode. Until the next. Bye. Hey, you know,

Oh, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're seeing, but Nazareth, I know, something, me said, oh, yeah, they're doing Brugeria. No, Fache, Nazareth. For your fault, no, Chris.

Much of family, yeah. Let me go. Adieu, see, much, family. Pass it a lot of auretto. It's a brum.

It's a bit. It's a bit. Thank you.