EXTRA ANORMAL - Fantasmas y Demonios en la Morgue | Relatos Siniestros de la Morgue

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

¿Qué secretos aterradores esconden las morgues? En este episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, Paco Arias conversa con Jorge Riverón, quien comparte relatos espeluznantes de fantasmas y demonios que acechan en la soledad fría de las morgues. 👻 Historias impactantes: Apariciones de almas en pena entre los cuerpos inertes. Demonios que parecen reclamar las almas de los fallecidos. Encuentros paranormales que desafían toda lógica. 🔦¿Qué ocurre cuando la muerte y lo sobrenatural se cruzan? Estos relatos te harán mirar las morgues con otros ojos. 🎧 Dale play y acompáñanos en un viaje lleno de misterio y terror. #ExtraAnormalPodcast #Fantasmas #Demonios #RelatosParanormales #Morgue #PacoArias

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Amigos, to a chapter more of podcast Extra Anormal. My name is Paco Arias and I'm very

happy to be here with all of you guys to bring us a theme very, bien,

we're going to talk about of relato and stories or corridos in Morgues. Those places that,

that, my respects for the people who are the the places, to me to my are more

more complicated, the year all the time with cadaveres, places, places, places, where you

see constantly the death to the murder, the one of the thing that's a lot of a good

friend who us accompany, the good Jorge Riveron. How is your man? Muchis

thanks, thank you for having us invited. It's a good to start with

your public and form part of this Thank you. Thank you. For the

first time, for the first can say who you're, to your Redis. Byveron, abogado of profession.

Musico, for obligation, for gusto. My networks social are on Instagram and Jorge Luis Straha

Riveron in Facebook. Genial, Hermann, thank you for accept the invitation. Oh, much thanks for invite.

We're going to talk about normally in Morgue. Well, is so very Aterrador, especially because are my vized

for personal medical, personal of the health, that many are sceptic to this type of problems,

but standing in this type of places, they're they've done with things that has

done question to what can be the phenomenon paranormal. It's one of the

places, I don't how you would you. I think as you, as

as, as you are things, I think are some manner obscures

for the same natural of what there that's that that

transition final or in those those minutes that many

many people pass still in this life of

life and the experience that they constantly to

come for a formation scientific of the method

scientific and of this to confront you with

situations that not have an question you to

question questionartes over really what are the limits of the life and the murder and the reality of the right.

Exactly. Oh, yeah, before you know, I know that's because I know that I'm like to say to

the audience that for favor, in those first moments you know, family, are the moments ideal for

that you do you guys and you're like to be the episodes, but they're not a part official of

this podcast. So, I'm I'm to give you want to you're part official

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to help you so you know you need to when actualize with new capitulos and I want to

start this episode saying something that I like to get to incomodate to

the time time the great majority of we're going to start in a morgue and while not be so

better enjoy this stories of the love. Fiatte I'm that I talked with a person

that me told an anecdote I've interviewed to various medics that

they're they're like forenses and the most the majority

coincide with this it is it's it's impressive to see a

carver to see the person desivida but if we we're

at a level of impact the body of a little you

don't know because so if you are you because you see the the suffering of the

parents and about the motive of the death of you have talked with people that have

done while while they've been while they're there a person

that case is viral in internet a young by a while

father of family that He was working in a morgue. And in a moment, he got personnel of the SMEF, and they were a lot of personnel medical,

had been found the body of a little of four years in his house. This new had been been made to the other life, to the other world for causes of

violence, for her own mother. the boy he had multiple gulpes in his costillas

rotas he had a great that was what he was what he was to rebat

the life this person narrs in this vivencia that he took

that he he he said from the moment that he he's he

he's his his carpecett and see the the intent

of this the little of this but, but there's no, no, there's point of

the force of an adult and the force of him. His run-tas were up like force he was,

like, he wasch, the little, he said, when I see that's, when I see, that's parted

the hearted the little and rapidly me took to get to take a water,

to lavers to lavers because I had seen hundreds and of corpses, but to

see, the of a and to know the history. For the most traumatizing. You're romp, you rompe, you're rompe, the problem.

The worst is that when I'm in the dispensator of water, tomando water, trying to, aterisarme and think, is my work and I have to have the

blood free for what I'm going to hear, I'll hear the gritty of a man that comes from where he's

he's got. It's a strange because it was the grito and it's He's heard for all the

passio of the hospital and he went to where he's he said for my

surprise is that this body was that was well he was not like

I was like I was in other position and a and a light

and he and I had and there there certain

things that can some other that are those

movements post-morten some They're others do others are

like they're the gases of the body but this grito

and expulsed a lardine he he said that many

people when pass for this guard this this ultimate

well let's say expression some some get with

much fear with the and like all that

that energy accumulated not doesn't because the body and it's

when the body enter in relaxation that starts and then these

these movements but in this case the little the little of

the one of the one of the one of my impression me impact a much

because I'll to repeat is a case that's a case that

the doctors the foreenses have to be living constantly

over all this type of this type of cases of violence with the

children. I don't what you think you think you to confront to be to to be to

work or to work on these work directly with a cadaver it has been in the

major part of the time traumatizing although with the time also they they're they're used

they're there no there's there's in the case of those who are we

find us to be to be a very not or not inconsientiment you you put

in the sapathes of the person, of the father, the say, is the suffering many times, but in this case, the

of the same persons that needed, and they were obligated to care, and were the people, and

they're the other world, I think it's very cruel. It's, it's, it's impossible not to have

a reaction, not destabilize, desistabilizing emotionally, and to all the person,

sanna, I think the life, not 30 contra the life, no?

If it's your work, even you have all the experience of the world

to be a way, a scene with that with a degree of violence, with a

degree of by part of the victim? No, it's something. It's a

very strong. With this this, I'm going to start this story, if me has been a story that

has been the other phone, a story that's in the point of your point of view. There's

many people that not think in the phenomenon paranormal. Much

people that is sceptica to this but that that gets the moment where he took to

live it, is when he's when he's the story of Norberto, a guard

of security that was a hospital and he took to live something that he

did he did think it in the phenomenon paranormal. He says

that it was a night of October normal he like

he, he, like all out of this hospital, the accesses. Much of times they put in

those roguos there are something of what he was used to live. But he said that one occasion, the

hospital was with very many people were many doctors of guardia, it was a fine of

the day of those days like many where all are very quiet he was sat down

the cellular and he was put to be to be videos but something he called his attention. When he started to come in certain

passages, he started to give a count that there were ways in the piece. But the wayas that were the windows, not wereas of the feet descalos. They were wellies descalves that were marked. He

started or intent to make a memory of who have been passed by here? No, the ultimate person that ingress, it's at all hour,

and he started a memory and no, no, I'd do it and he

did it really, because it was too not a piece of a foot,

and he and he he, he he went to be where

he was the rastro and he's done that the way,

was a, it was a way, it was he's terminated

on the escalers that he he had he

had to the second that was at the more to someone companion of someone

that's internaid that's but the fact of the silhouette of the piece of

he'scal he'd call the attention because it's normal that someone

that's in a hospital. So, then he he intended as a

person septica to try to connect with something to

talk to be thinking where this in this moment he's

going to go to see to where, I mean where they're going to

they're going to they're and they do a point that a

little a little so a little so he was going

more and he's going to an at the hospital

that's where is where is the morgue he he

he he does know that the and the part in the

court where is the the apartment of the

so then at the more no I know

was the doctor, that's that's the doctor, that's he's he's he's

evadier this type of things. Passed the nights and then they began to

see these these pizasas but this this time were not they're pizasas

like like the kids but they're four so they're two two,

like two two, like two, that are the four pieces that are coming

and there was a rastro but all started from the morgue, came down to

certain passages, subied the stairs, in the second piece, like, disappeared. That's what

started to get to get to, he said, what's what's going to play a brauma, and the

extraordinary of all, he was, and of the nada, after a little bit disappearce.

He said, this is too is very strange. He was very appenado because that

about this type of things to someone who not is a person you know, you're like

a tonto, you're as like someone fantasioso, no see. And so all he's that if

I'm a doctor of here, persons of science are to me. Then he

said he said this for many months. And he in that time, he had

the rest of and see to go to get to some they were to get

a things. So, in a moment, he took desperation, and he said,

I'm going to say to the doctor with the better me get to one of the doctors. Fidgette

that I've noted this. No, he's read to me, but my job is to investigate.

So, no see some of those patients, that's they're that's, but I

don't have seen to nobody, but I know this. He's that the doctor's

he kept miring serious, and he says, as just upon you're

you're you're seeing. All the personnel medical has not

about the wettas and it's something we've but we're not those

call us. So, no, no, no, no, no, they're

to ask, what they're, I don't you know to say with that attitude

that is, but my credence, under my creencia to I can

say, that they are recogying those passes or are, or are

people that in some moment they're something for a strange

reason not get to the light, not transcending they're and they're like they're

they're repitting some pattern and he does a count so the pastas

have a pattern in a place in a morgue where many many

many times there's the and the while the not not is

cremado or not is prepared while the while the person

is the pattern of the pattern of the way

is the And he had all the logic the whewas of the kids,

it was because in that moment, when had occurred there were there were two

And all they say, yes, Norberto, if we've seen the pisades. And he, Norberto, is the person that's the person that's the person who makes,

Paco, the day of today, I know in this. Yeah, I think what what's with the

phenomenon paranormal, I don't know I don't know, but if he can't believe, because when

we're in the day of the mortals, that came many people, we've seen infinity of the

wayas on the hospital. Even a doctor said that experimented a phenomenon different.

There a camilla especially a camille exclusively one where this was a red

like it had a mancha a large of the when he had a people encargated

of the limpeas when they were to lavas the sabana they said doctor they're

limpia no has any mancha and I was a doctor and I

see a camilla no there's there this is something that I'm

and he said he said I'm I'm accustomed I'm I'm

tranquill the know that the other doctors also also

also so what I don't no is fear it's a

kind of of a kind of that sometimes his people

are they they don't know they don't is repeat.

Repetire. Repetire. A sequence. A blu. They're coming until their body so they're

doing. It's what is what in this hospital. That's an hospital that's in Colima.

Me said, not to say the name, but it's a hospital where actually they

are services in a hospital of government, where they live all this. And me said,

manda saludos to the doctors cariniosos. I so when it when it

I don't know why but they they're going to start listening

the podcast in the hospital where they manned this

story and the ways that are the that's what is what you

think that you so that so so the

thing of all what they they need to

and so so and and so sometimes for

the fact of the to be a guardia if it requires a certain fortaleza mental

of spirit temple, no? Uh, so when it's these famous guardies generales

that are 24 24 per 24 and you're talking the hours of the madrogate. So,

hours very pesas normally those phenomena I've seen a quite

hour, but if if you want if you want, if you're an increment is more

more more than just of the night, one of the morning, two,

three, of the morning, that's when is when you are the most

pesed? What's what is what normally? I don't, I mean, I mean, it's

it's kind of in the or the time in the time, tend to make hours

more susceptible, for so to say, yeah. Some people, say, some of the

person, that's the time, that's the hour in that the time in the time in

that's the time is where the time is where the is where it's not that

is that they're not that simply it's more easy to see the manifestation

because they can manifest in quite time. But for the human is more perceptible? Yes.

We say for the absence of light, the obscurity, that is where the night is more

dark. Well, they're like in the water. Okay. Syingying this same

is the same hilo that we have to the guardias. I want to share this story

that we send to the audience okay. This, that is precisely equal of

a guardia. Ba. Of a guardia of a name, Gerardo, that, as I'm like these types, that not can't impressionar easily,

the temple, he was always to be used to be ronding for different installations, edifices, edifices of government, casas particular, these are where it's where it's where it's a turn of a

companyer, they're done and then they're to do the nada to a hospital. Okay. He, without experience in the style of

the hospitales, not? Precisely we talked about what is the turn of the 24 hours in the

morning, what's to try with the people, try with the with the people, and well,

he was more more than for that. Okay. He questioned about, well, it's that you're going to

be a time because you're a morgue, then that's that's a question of your reposas

always for to say, well, what will be going to say, that's

that I'm going to be a little very sceptic, completely sceptic, no? In the recorritory

general, it's going to the area of the area of urgencies, then it

took the turn of the morgue. When it's when it when it passing,

the other guardia that was the he was the turn to he's and he

he in total a three medical forensic. He'll be a two young, and one of the young, so mancuerre not much, with a doctor

alto, delgado, and he called much the attention with a lunar singular in the nose. Okay. So, it's marked. So, it's a way, has dispercived, the theme for him, continue in his rundines,

he's, he, he, all the days, no, all the mornings, in the thing, of to be accommodating to the person,

to try in the styr and the stry and the way, and I'm used to be the routine, after the

night, normally, see that the medical forensic, they're in a ratic to be there

and they continue to their activities. A certain day, he's they're they're not

the attention because they're two of the medical, but they're a lot

to be accustomed to just, I've used to have some two months here, for no,

for the typical salute, no, good nights. Yeah, it's a attention.

When he's doing the recorried, this person that's called a character that

only be one of them to and he he'll call the attention. Well,

yeah, he's hello, good nights. Not you going to go to

go and say, oh, I'm, oh, I'm going to sender on some

tamalito and he says I'm I'm two. And your his

his He said, who is the companyer? He'll call the attention. And he says, his company who I saw

a rathor past along to me, he said, to what he's he said, the doctor,

alt, delgado, the, the lunar in the nars. So, the medical for instance is

the he was the kind of, like, like, and said, me, you're playing

a problem. He's, no, no, no, the word. He's, he's,

the, I think, I, I, he said, I, He doesn't find. He says,

to be, describe me a person. He called the attention much because the description encahava precisely

in a tio of a a a tio. And he he said what the

is that the description that you're in the description of my t' he. He, he was

also, he was also of the Plaza. He was my mentor. He me grew from the

four years. It's like my father. He he said, but the doctor,

if I see, I see, I'm talking. The doctor better is the

seat of his seat. He says, he's, he's, no, no,

doctor. He said, the doctor, is sincere with him and he says,

he says, there instants where I no I can't more with this

work where it's and where I'm I'm I'm feel like

I'm and I talk about him he he said to the guardia but is

I've seen talking that's impossible my my my

man my my my my my my father

four years I I I'm I I'm I

I'm place that my man a doctor and he he said really that

in the days that are in the days that I think I'm in the days that

I'm think I'm think I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm he said Gerardo doctor normally normally

always I tend to pass in the recorriot after at the night

and I'm Or in total, the three medics. It's impossible that are three medics. We're two medics of turn. You can't see the targetas. Wow.

The guy was in shock. Wow. It's clear that what was being the guardia. For him, it was completely real. And,

and so, that no, I know, all the person, medical. It's that, not they had to present to

all the person medical, simply, he took to to do the rondin for the areas, no? And the, and the convivency or the work direct when

was with them. So, only was but it was to identify us one to one. So, go,

they surprise much this story, and us tell that really this still still going to the future.

Gerardo still being to the same, the same, he's always to the medical forenses

with his time, but he says, I'm I'm trying that I'm seeing He's here, and I feel that

since I've shared the history and since I'm saying this, I can't understand and he can't understand that yeah no is here. I'm going to the passages. I feel that me mirro, I feel that I'm and I'm going to, and I feel

peace. But definitively, I said, I've got to accept and I've got to believe in the phenomenon paranormal. And how difficult much times to

because these people, when you talk about when you talk about a person that so much,

the first you know he's playing a problem, no? Sure, for suppose.

He wants to be burlars to me, but in this case, when the

sense, in the rost of the guardia, and so he not,

not he not he knew to his family, he brought to what he

was saying, but many the people who have this don't, have this fear, because

they don't know how the people can reactionate that you perils a one of your kids, that's something that's something that

someone be in and you know, and you know, you know, me's just you're just you're going to a brom?

For supposed. Or, to heartel to say, oh, with that you, with this

don't you. I think in this case, Gerardo, he took the sort, no,

of that that, of any way, he had to know, to know to know

to know the context of the relation intimate that had this medical with with his tio.

I think that was what he did he was totally circumstantial the fact of that he was and that he would offercied

to some to include it in his dinner to that night that's what you want to do you do you know?

Exactly. I think it was so that's spontaneous that was what what did this story is

that way. And over all Gerardo that says I, I, a, a tantos months,

that story is of the year past just to be in, he's he's just he said, and he

said, I think, I think in the phenomenon paranormal. But, but I

can't come with tranquillity and I can't think, something very

very strong, and also a election completely to Gerardo. Fiatte that the

forenses live in many experiences too. I, I want this

story, my that, It's of the things that not succeed in a morgue but when

they're they're in a rastro very marked you're I'll give a context before to

tell you the history there exist in different creences and religions additional

to Catholicism and Christianism about of religions of Cuba religions

religions of Africa where where they're they're they cult to different deities and

Dioces. In this abanico of creensias, there is a deidat that's a deidate is

associated many times to what we're in the Christianism we know like Lucifer or like Satanas, or like the

devil, how they like they're a negative. A deidate a very negative, with grand

power, but over all very ambrient because the with this idad, or he's a

life of the form of alimentar it and alimentar constantly is with sacrifices. Yeah, that you

give this context, I'll say what what I'm in this story. This

story the manned a forense. The Dr. David Martinez.

Saludos to Dr. David. This he lived in an hospital that's

located in the north of the country. This occurred in the

2015. He was count that in that then, the justice, and the person,

that was extremely dangerous. A man, that apart of being a particular, he had an antecedent

very ample, of, well, disvivier to many people, and for his surprise,

that man went to the hospital. Obviously, yeah, without, he, he,

he, he, he said, a about of the other periodistic

this man is he's is a got to his house in the

house they're they they're to get a penal they

have in a reclusory he he's he was

four months with and after that for something

something that a other to a a a

that normally normally like a or he ran

the he simply was and not was a theme of that he

is a self-desvibed so he gets, he's he's a little he's

he's he's he's the first he's he's he's to come

to come to and balsam to a person that was very he has

he has his ritual to to say I normally I

normally I know I'm I something some some

say some say that no, this is to go to every criteria and every creency, because I, what I like is, I'm going to be manipulating the body of anyone. So, I do you let me give permission. And, he says, but

to know that I was going to give to the service in a person so desponded, I said, I said, I said, I said, hey, well, you know, I didn't want to say many things, but let me do to do my job, for you to you go and you can

you get a little if you get to get to and he he started. He started

to feel a little something. They said but he not was the sensation

to have there someone that not that was that was that

was an bad or was a other but he he

he he he he he he's like he

he he is giving his world to this

car he he does know of something really this

baron he had some some other and the kind of some

some some but these chemaduras he described that not

were external like produced for something that this

that this kind of something that's something that he's

right and he says this is this is very rare

but was like very, no see, very tense the place where he was in

that moment in the morgue preparing all, he said, all, he said, he said,

I think, I need to, maybe is because I'm a time a long time, I'm

doing guardias, I think that the canstance me's affecting, I'm going

to get a going to go to take a and he said, is that

I'm sure that there were moments where I had a a reflex of the moment

like, as they like the rabble of the eye in the rabid of the and I was all over and I felt

that I was seeing that a silhouette very long. And then I'm I'm going to I'm

I'm going to a doctora also that was to take into his coffeecito the doctor for a

doctor's Anna Luisa I'm I'm my doctor Anna Luisa but but I

see very very that's what you have? And me he says, Doctor, I know what's going to be in the hospital is very pesado. She's very rare. He's, really?

That's it. I mean, I'm sorry? I'm sorry? And he said the doctor and not only that so. Siento, like me, like me observe. I'm in my consultorio and, of a repent, I feel like that something, I'll and there's nothing. And he

says, effectively, doctora, I also I'm sorry and I started to I'm from the person.

He said when they were talking, I said the doctora, in best of me, he said this,

he went to back back and he opened the eyes and put a car like a surprise.

He said, Doctora, what is and he didn't talk, and I only had

his tass of coffee. Doctora? Dic, only the doctora he went the When I

when I in the quarter of the morgue where we were, where I

was two that silhouette that was a little of the body of this woman. She

she kept muda and we don't of us we've how it's

and she says that is what is what is what is that all so that

all that's all to send an ambient very very pesable

of much scalofrio for what I have been in the morgue

in this moment they were to be a fear of because for medics

people of the people of limpeas and people and say they were

to say they're saying that's when this doctor intent to investigate

what what was with this man because he was

with another doctor Pied the support of the two embalam it

terminated but they they'd know what they was going to because of so many

people that have passed for there that had provoked had provoked many

things and about the strange markers and the chemadur that

were that were coming that from the inside of

the and it's when talking with some victims

that they were vivas, obviously, people that convivier and

they're very rare. These people said that in the investigation

that realized, well, you know, these dependences, they were

that this man started as a loco, like that was a

coldura when his only his one of eight years

had been detected with cancer. And when his son fallece,

is when a him they're in his house and they're in carcelar. But the people that

entered to his house, to his dormitory, he gave that there had vellas. He was

his dormitory was going of vellas negas, apestable, apestable, to this odor

that we had been in a that no is animal is a human and the people that have olied to this

know that the odor to the color a human discomposed is a million

more more penetrante than the odor of animal and to that is his

court so this doctor started so to unir certain

cabos and when he's to investigate how was his the

carcel he does that it was very rare because he had written

with his own a piece the the word the word the word the

and he began that's the name with what they found in his house

and he he, well he went to the he practiced he practicable

certain things but when he started of this age and that

his his had cancer he discovered something that he helped

to the same authorities to know to know the number of victims because

not were not even let us clearcised result that when this man

is that his his his son he had decided to make a pact

with this eda as as I mentioned in a

principle this in comparison with others that you does

a guy you You give a cabra, that you does the humo of a puro,

that's this adity the only that you is the human is sacrifice and this

man, and this old when he said to when he was the child. For

some the number of victims coincidia with the number of years that had

his eight years. So, the conclusion of this man is, I did a

service forense to a a cadaver of a person who in a person who

a entity demoniac and it's for that all the hospital was a

sumamently I don't see strange what do you think there more

more more more I imagine the thing of the pacto

that that had had done that had have been

assassinated to eight people, I've to have assassinated eight

people to come up to make. Imagineate. And even so his son he went.

I don't the cancer no, so it's that I'm I don't want to say,

but they're saying, well, you can't, you know, but not how much time. I think

that the domain public, that all those, these type of accords,

and they're they're they're they're they're in a way, never

They always They'll never Like at At least I think I've seen I've seen I've seen

this necessity of something and a sometimes for that necessity get to get to certain acts

like pactos satanical that is very common the necessity the ambition the ambition the power

so about you when you come is a niche of politics there there are

pactos and this has the same the same bruchos of Katemako that

are to visit those many politicians to have power. Yes, really. That is a

thing I think common in Mexico in Latin America, no? In fact, there are very famous those books

of the power that really all the people all the effort in his affan to maintain

or to keep this class of accords and accords that never never never

come. No, imagine the the repercution that has been in this hospital,

not to have that that that was being and was consumed and that

he had still segregated to eight almas more. Imagineate. All the impact was negative

receiving it that night in the hospital. That's that's complicated, the fact. But for

there I know you do you trys something we're doing so. We're going in the

things, I've got this that maunded the audience very important. Have the title of the

history? Yes, for the remodelation. Okay. They don't them

and this So, it's in Colombia. Colombia. Okay. Dicen that is an

hospital in Colombia that they're working just in their remodelation. Okay. These hospitals that are in

words, more, words, in conditions deplorables. Okay. Those is that can't

be able to the fall of the maintenance and all the years that cargan in see.

Okay. Comenda, this we don't they from here, just the Mexico,

a that's that he's going to laborer to Colombia and us comment that they're starting in the work of remodelation they were to remodelar there were parts that were to clausurar that

not are necessary and for it was necessary to translate to the patients to other hospitals to canalisers and start as the processes that went and for brigades

had to adapt to new normatives in many cases the salas not not a remodelation but for complete a reconstruction

Okay. There were different brigades and between them overshadow the personage central of this story, that is Don Jose. Don Jose is a

man of age advanced, an albanin a strong, with the experience that we're the years in the

construction and in the life. Don Jose was a man of a temple, of the few words,

always they were this customing that have the people of the

construction, to share the food at the hour of the recesses of the work.

And then then they were in that Don Jose not terminated to feel in the remodelation,

but Don Jose had a necessity and so for that was to come to

say the Colombian. Okay. I was working day and night because were different

turns and a lot of sometimes they were that Don Jose had much like to play or

was disgusted with one of of the engineers no, no, not he didn't know the attention

more of the count, Don Jose said that he had a crucifico grand,

a crucifio was a name of faith religious and he was doing his job

not he was he was a attention because he was a name very

reserved but there were there parts of the construction just this

space morgue, in the which Don Jose not was very comod. Call the attention because

Don Jose not said that the space was the morgue. Yeah, the majority of the

majority of the censors and they have been removed. In this case, it was practically

yeah the rest of the gris that they're to get to start to run

the tubary in this was. So, then, of a person, they'd

see a very palid, but no, no, no passed to more. one day

he said this child he's called Julian observe a don Jose

in a skin inked he's he said he he said he's

he's he encado scabando or saying to something

something something of the tube that he's and he

still he and he he he's like the five minutes

and he in the same position and he he

That's the proximate, he's to come to the Hose. Don Jose, no respond. He'll call the attention that, when to talk, he's not

that person sumamente frio and Turo. He's called Don Jose, D'Hose, he intends

to stimulate him, and Don Jose no reaction. Practically the O'Hale and Don Jose is to be

so that rigid, he par, he in front of him, he, and he inclin,

he gotra of his mejillas Don Jose Beez to get to help and don't Jose

said it was like the eyes of a person morted were eyes those of the Don Jose

those of John Jose Okay he was talking with Don Jose and he was

he was practically it probably he had to he was he he he said

he says he said he's completely vacio the eyes like

if there. After of various minutes of trying to

reactionate, the only that is that Don Jose is that he's a look

a lachry a a great. Of those that are that

they're that they're they're that's it's see how recor

the meh the meh in camera lenta of Don

Jose and a sensation sumam pesada in the room. They're

the other they're to get to don't Joseph thinking that was a kind of a

attack carriac or something and it and it the days. Don Jose not is

to present to work and 15, 17 days. Wow. Much time.

And of a time and to be a time to be at the time

and Don Jose in a corner, not saying much and he he had kept with

this uncertainty. He said, past the days after that I took to

coincide with him. I'm I'm to share to do it to

the food. We're we're not said much words. And if

no, he can continue and he he he's he he said,

he he said he said Julian, he Julian, I have to

say to the truth. I'm never me felt comod of being

not not. We've advanced to this part, to the right and

he was more and more pesable. I said, I was people, people

that, that not are that I'm that you see that you know

wow. But he said to the engineer, change me of the place.

I'm better at the area of the area. For that's all the time

was the time that's the thing that's but he not about more, not about the

because he said, I'm a man of faith. Yeah. I don't believe in

this. This is not going to this, this no, and he said, with the years that I'm going to

how me going to be to be like as a constructor yeah great, yet adulto

yeah, almost for the third age, yes, a old that at

these altures that I have I think I'm going to think that I'm going to think that

I'm going to think you need to the time and I said I don't want to be here

if not had been the necessity not had been not even when we we were

going to more to the right I'm I'm I'm to hear

susros and the susros and the presentar more more sentia

that it was something quite inquietant I intended reprenders and I was reprending and those reprendia and was

reprendia and it was like if made an invitation to enter in my and they were more and more

and more and more and he says I have marked the the car and disfigurated

of a man like if had been been an explosion like

so her car that more to get her and I said

help me help me help I'm I'm I said doubt about me

and I did this to nobody more like a person like a

man of faith will to I want to I

want we we we we're coming and took

the turn to retire the when I was

when I was rompient the piece of this cell he said

I'm I'm to hear more the usurros and they were

directly in the tubberia like if someone was and in

that instant I don't want to work I said but I was just

to continue I said I'm this this little tramo

and yeah I'm going to just just in the corner

you I okay then when I was I to retire it.

I was reprending and I said, here no, there's nobody, I'm going to to terminate. When I was inked, I said,

I remember as someone he inca here in my side, and in the o'id me says,

you're going to help us. It was something I felt the respiration

practically elated of this entity that I had to be and that moment I

paralyzed I was when he he's and he and he no knew

more of him he said he he the the

the he he took conciences just the hospital

no no he did what was what He went to auxiliar, the alarm

no record absolutely nothing. After there for him the history of that vivacious. Wow. And Julian

commenting more with the engineers but resultam that in this cell in that they were working, justly,

how is that they're trapped those, I go, there are there many many stories where

these people are trapped and they are there and the people that for example no has that don't

of the term of the clearivinecy, the being, but they're seeing that something is when they say, oh, I've to come to enter here, she's a lot of feel the scalofreyo, it's a very pesado. It's what more that the, the

people can experimenter for those, like this sir, that for me is a man that had certain dones, could be, these almas that were there,

piding to do you help that they can transcend. And what is for him if never

he's, and he did he experimented in this moment, in his work, and how

he's, what he is going to say to me, of an man, that he

to get to to work, and when he was he needed the time,

he that you know, that you know, that's, this, you know,

there's not had been not been not been that's not, you, not, is susceptible,

of that he's susceptible, And so on these encounters paranormal that I imagine that they've

been to be a experience completely yeah, no see, very drastic, very

and that he took the that was a experience very for him, not he

was a negative, no, no, no, an malignant. Because he

in the same narration is he is commenting that the only

that he were to do these entities when like, as to count,

suppose we suppose we that right in this moment there's a you know, you don't do you know

I'm in Jassiel but the the chica that's sat down she's in nobody

he's more than she doesn't know that nobody but when you know but when

it's a person who can see someone that's a person who thinks a thing a piece of

a person of a question of a cause to help me help me. I tell person. And it's what the medium many times

pass. And I imagine that was precisely what he was done to say, to do you, to get us and he was heard, they were

their own option to, for, to maybe culminate that that they've made that in this

life. Yes, is what is what is the, this, this, this,

for the people who says, when I'm, when I'm, the places, for example,

very historical, that are very very knows what there and I

know what I'm I'm going to I'm going so I'm so I'm so I'm they're in they're not

they're not I'm not I'm looking to look at the ballad of the they're there's

there's a kind of between the medium and the and the end and yeah you're going

to so it's a thing very very so I'm so

I'm I'm I want to this last story I'm that's

the real it's it's a story that's really is a

really because that we us, not a, a story that has

been to be with what exists in the past of the space, but not any type

of space. I'm going to give a context, like the story anterior.

When it's a question Uyha, I don't see if you have been in one?

No, I don't. Well, when I stood in a session Ujah, so,

so it was it has to one of one to talk to an entity. And let me

a salute there Antonio Samudio, that was the person with the person with the session. He was a person expert in

the matter. It's the person expert in the investigation. And it gets a moment that's the name the

sometiment where you submites to the entity, but you do you say, manifestate.

Yeah, you know, you know, you know, you know what's here, you know what's you,

manifest to. If there a spejo, manifest in the spejo. We're

seeing, and many times it's when they say, they're going to take photos. Pum, Pum,

to take photos because it's when it's when to be manifest to the entity. This

story has to be with that kind of phenomena. This is what occurs Andres.

Andres is a person is a foreignce a young that's a hospital of these

superment decalent of the that you're about that the government he's a lot of the hospital

and never it's not a question. He says, of those is that when the light

so it's a sound like, it has a sound of that there's a there's a false

in something, and by the work of God illumine. And it still functioning. So,

he's working one of those hospitals, the morgue obviously was a medical forensic

and he said, all the time, here is the same, you know, you're

you're you've a style of life very, very established. So, no, no, can't anything. You get all

very routine. Until that the day where the things started to change. He said, I was

working and doing my labors, not there's something very strange. Dice, where I

do, there like two quarters, and it did a one part. The one side,

is the quarter where is the morgue, and the other other side to where

is all the other side, so that's divided by a port of a video.

And one day I'm working in the nocturn no turn no turn, I

do a of the way, well, yes, it was to be the

other side, where are the there's those there's not the

lot of rare. He said, it was very dark at the two of the morning.

Yeah I was I'm and at the and at the vista yeah no is

it's I'm a little and I know I'm I'm so I'm like I'm

like I'm and I'm know that in that there was a woman that had been a

very big in the great in the cold but it was in the reflexe

that I see that he was moving it. Abro the door and no

the I was and then after a little I'm Like, as her rosa was down

like his eyes me segued and like parpadiable and it's that's weird that's the

I'm really tired, I've been working more to 12 hours I think that's what that's

what I'm that's affecting the day the day the next she'll he was in the reflex

he goes to work and has been to and fresh and now he's

recorded what had So I decided, I'm to come for the Reflejo

and in that moment he did know that that the reflego form a word,

so as as the other side is free this, this, this was condensable

and it was formed like a alo and in the reflexe it was the

the word help me but like the so with the vaportch that's that's

like when when when you crystal. Exactly. This this is very strange. No, no, no, no, what's, no, no, so it's the

cancanceo, but he says, I'm going to keep here in my work. What is what does the majority of medical is when experimented this. They're just concerned of what they're doing, but they're saying,

I have to do my job and me go to focus on my job. And then he's just to constantly doing his chamba but there moments where he

normally the curiosity because never he had lived he was he was a somable

and in occasions I saw some some some some other moving in the

way the head and he said but but why when when

when I know the door no so it's it's it's

it's like the I don't the the video the reflex

me made that and this very extrano. Then he passed

the days and he had a curiosity of know what that's what he was a

and why he said in one of those I'm going to try to investigate probably

probably I don't encounter nothing but we're to be so

he's I got to get to a person that was

that was that had had I'm going to And I'm going to have the door open to see if something. It's going to happen. No, it was going to the door, it's going to be.

And so it's a lot, much, much, fear. Because the that was the other side of the body, as a man, that's

had been a murder of an accident. And in the reflex, they said, no,

it was an accident. In that moment, he per die the his head, because he

said, what, what on with that significated, and constantly there were things that

when came, they were and they were message that he said the

contrary. And he said that this was like a type of a portal or

medium that was the person that was there to give this little,

as you a message to get a message to get to the time what he

was living and imagine to be you and imagineate to be the investigation has fallen

for causes natural and not that has been So he, all the time was there

he, he, I'm going to talk about with other doctors and the classic no,

you're you're you're bad to start working with many, you're

all of your head, then then not was surprising what he lived, and he

said, you know, I'm not me important, but I'm again

in the spinita of today, or he came a new

couple that what is what is that, that's moment, he enfoca and

he's form a word, help us. And it's when he yeah he's like

he's like he's like he that you you know you've you know you know,

you know, you know, he's molesta and grita, what you want, what you,

what you want, let me in peace. And so he's another phrase to

to you. In that moment he he saw that was something that was a very

direct, that was exclusively for him because he they said we're we're

to get him to be to go to and he went to but when he had this message

so clear he said like like he he knows that's he's a man

he said I'm I'm I'm I'm backo and he's

the window I'm I was I'm I'm that zoomed, that

they'd come with me. And that was a thing that me to cause

to cause much fear, because yeah, not the explanation

logic has had had gone. And I was was that what I was

was something, was that I had I had a conduct recurrent.

This person that this person, that's this career saying

the saying the thing, and I'm still ignoring these

messages and these manifestations that surged for curiosity when I saw that

the mirror. And is that we go back the same. The spejors

are many times the medium perfect to be a manifestation. This not I

did in the principle, but I just did to what I

did for the thing, the door that the door

that the a spejo polarized, a spejo a black, where he constantly, he'd

those messages there's those ones. When they were in that one in black, in black, in that's a

message. Imagine that's the answer. It's like the last media to play the message, no,

before to getse. What's so fartes? That's what you're just like with what

you say is, no, that when you're a person susceptible to a, a,

this type of the messages and is percatado for who has to

give to give to do that's exactly you know, you know, and it's to be in

some way and it's a little so you know to do that that's that's that way

that's that way of that's, look at this story me seems a particular because

not only only the guardias right that abogam the time of the not just

not just not just the doctors not much sometimes live in these situations

and like you do you do you sometimes presa of the cancer

of the routine they get to question if really they're living they're not they're not for their

work and in fact scientifically it's recognized that when you you're so much an analysis in the

same thing is like if you're also so I think they're to rationalize or care rationalize

to say no it's for the disveling that I'm doing something that really that really

that's so is very common of actually the doctors I've talked I've been

my respect and a salute for all the personal medical that I'm

Because then they'll listen there in those consultaries when yeah are practices constant and

are in short hours so long as you know a moment where you says my brain, I'm

doing a boy, I'm seeing a man, I'm seeing a woman that no exists

that no is when it's when this confusion that I'm doing. Yes,

for supposed, without. Well, well, I want to this

ultimate story that we're that's I mean. Okay. This story is, pardon, that I make first

some comments. I think to all us could happen. It's in that routine diary, in this selva of cement

that we call us, in this life that we all we're in this mania of not to get us,

to irritarn us for the things simple of the life, of not to be disculps

a time. Typical case no that all could

do you do this story of marianna marianna was the

mother of a young of 23 years all all all

does in the morning in the morning they're the thing

that you do you sales very late you sales at

10 no when in the university the typical discussion and the

young he's going to go to the vehicle I'm going to go at the time of

hours receive yamadas and no contested yeah he contested after having

just to have just to give to give the notice of that his

his his his he died in a tragic accident with

another company okay with the car desencajada, obviously not is a noticia that in any way to you can't,

has been to move to the city where the accident and it is present in the amphitheatro and he

he's he comes to a mess fria where she is found his his son

his his his the and the The labrimes start

to scurricular and he's and he's a second and he says that is a good,

that is he needs a and he she's there's paralyzed and trying

and trying to assimilar to assimilar all that so that occurred so that

that in the morning I was disputing and and yeah at

a media time he was front to his his his

It's quite completely, no? Something, no? Something that you never suede. And she kept practically petrified there,

looking, and seeing see, and he calls the attention of a repent that see

that the be a that the back of his son will be

a a sighed a suspir. Voltaire To try to try to see the medical

forensic that was there he's not he's not he's he gets looking and he starts

to talk to talk about to call to him because they've been disputed

and he he's he's when he's talking she

she sheent that his dead Ligerently the Rosa

and she he's and for this moment yeah there's there the medical

forensic he said he said he's what? No nothing nothing

and yeah the medical the really so I

think to all the experience that they have

in these cases I imagine that not so

the or the cases more difficult are seem to be those of fathers and

children, no? Sure. So, she says that he says that he's trying to try to try and

that he can't help. And she he's he gets to see to his

and while his he's he's he's talking the story of

the doctor and how they acerice his and when she put to see

to be to be to the eyes, she he Scourne a little

A little. Voltae. Be the medical, the medical that also he's been

doing. And he said, he said, yes. No, it's a situation in

that begins the explanation in that the in that the the

the people then tend to have some reactions for the

nerves is something is something normal. But she's with that

that that that that's that and he's to

get to his and he and he and he and he to say to say

how much that he he and minutes after the

same of the one a last great it scur

and I sound oh the last suspiro the

the ultimate suspicor. The doctor, that in all the moment, he had kept out of, yeah, he'll look to be, no says nothing, he retina, go for a pannual, so he'll give to the senior. He says,

Tranquilla, all will be able to be. He, he's, he has to retire. For favor, we're going to start to prepare the body of his son, yeah, that he identified, for that can't pass. And say, permit me,

a second more. So, it's two seconds more before to his he

and he and he and he he's he's because he's completely

sure that that that was that was that was the last that

that the body of his his life that he was

he was was waiting that that that that

is a pardon probably moments, no? Of that discussion and to be in peace.

And until the moment in that she year, in that she has been, she scurred a laryma

that's the point final practically of your history in this and it and he

despide and that that's we're saying we're in peace. That's great,

man. And that and that the doctor at the final of the question, to

a past of the explanation that he did and his experience,

his his mind something no no need to marianna

that would that would be a dialogue more for the doctor to know

that something that this impression is correct that you

do you know what you say you know you know there's exactly the gestures

the gesticulation something something in the doctor that obviously

he gave more the reason to understand that message

in that that few stories. I've I've heard that have heard with these

cadavers that yore and the few who I've heard of these who are these kids, mothers, and they're

about when there's a time pending, no? No, no. There's I want to send a woman

Felicia, because she us she's called as an balzamador what she did you.

If you you don't have seen you have to see it, you know, I think is the episode most

seen that we've been that she she's the she's like a cadaver no parable

of yurr. But it was a little bit of so much you know the story that I'm

much on a motor, never so he was in the world and he goes to get to the people,

he goes to the days and at the days, well it's the what he gave to the death,

and where he's almost he's really a completely the head and he felled

a little for that he's it's a little bit because he went to be

to some I said, I said, I said, I was, I said, I was like if stood up as if I was supposed. You said, the pinche motto, and when she starts

to go to the cadaver. And she, as a firmer, I don't know, I've seen, go to see it, they're going to go to the part of the podcast

where he's more popular, that's the number one, for that listen in this testimony that's a fortissimo. Erman,

how did you know, how did you know, incredible, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,

So, there were some anecdotes very good that made the audience of the audience. Of that

yeah, well, there's yeah, but it's that's always to talk to more

and fideatron mortes us, it's a same thing some things that more that more

of all of all, but they're really in those hospitals, in those quarters

that are very frios where the people all the time be to see the

all the time, see of a form, well, we can say normal, this type of

situations. Family, I hope the video you know, we can repeat your social? Sure, that's why

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