EXTRA ANORMAL - Historias de SECTAS y Fenómenos Inexplicables

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

En este episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, nos adentramos en los oscuros relatos de sectas y los inexplicables fenómenos que las rodean. Desde sacrificios hasta misterios ocultos, descubre las historias más impactantes que han dejado una marca en la historia. Nuestra invitada especial, Mar Arriaga, nos comparte su conocimiento y vivencias en torno a estas sectas y los extraños sucesos que presenció. ¿Hasta dónde pueden llegar los límites de la fe y el control? 🔔 ¡Suscríbete y activa la campana para no perderte de este fascinante episodio!

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a knowledge that not is in internet, no is in books, no is in any way. It's a that something that something that needs to be invoked

to be that information but for that this needs to have a offer and not is

any kind of a other world many many little and he was disposed

to to send to a little to a little something

something that's something there had many many that in

instead of a perell of some type of animal and in the middle of the cell

there was a piece of the other people that were tundicas including this celebrity

that he opened. She just said the Mr. Mireles and the

Mr. Mirle and the little I don't you want to see

to come to come in his return to the thing to be no, no,

no me going to He said, I'm going to be able to be in this place. When you're attending this type of couples, well, one's to be accustomed to that job. But when you get a person that was part of a ritual or an offender, but it's horrible, because apart of the ultimate expression

of the rostro, something that transmitted terror, fear, and thousand things, but the side of his body, view a thing enormous, something great, and conformed he was about that form

that was drawing behind the door, it was disvancing. A pressore the pass, open the curtain, and

no, the only rare is that he had taped the body completely. And this

was discovered to where was the pentagram. What I'm going to be able to be able to be. What a little bit of a podcast extra abnormal? my name is Pacuarias and I'm very happy to be here with all of you

this occasion I'm very content because I'm with a person that I've got to know you and really, what, what, good to know a person like, quite, nice, bestant, and, especially that have stories very very, fertes.

Today, is with me, Mara Riyaga. How is you, Mara? Amos, definitely. I'm super fan of your podcast and also have some stories fortisimals. So, so there we we're doing.

Thank you. Muchism for the invitation. Thank you for accept the invitation. For the person that you're doing for the first I'd like to

presentes. Who are you, to do you your reds? Well, then I'm I'm, I'm a talk about,

I'm Mar Riyaga. I'm a podcast of terror that's called Remanched of MEDO where I'm recopilations,

cases of famousos who have been experiences panormaleas, recopulations and stories, which are

maybe tenebrosos for there, that are some of the stories that I'm going to tell us the day of

today of today. Well, look, if the fact they're saying they're like they're not quite,

if they're not to get after the final, we're going to deceptional. It's that the people

should have to say something. We're regularly, the stories more more

we're going for, not at the final, but if a part media of the

episode. Because for me it's like no can't let's do it

better de-balled. Tampo I don't want to say that what we don't know for a lot so it's

something that's something that you're going to do you want to do you know that's a story that's

like wow so if that if that's you know I can't expect to to know we're going

to start this episode but yeah before I would like that you subscribe

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we'll we're in these those moments for the people before the before the people

before I'm saying they're saying while they're they're doing they're doing they're managing.

So I'm I'm definitely I'm definitely I don't I'm gonna and I'm and I'm really

no and I'm very much the door to your house, thanks for invite us and be part

of your day to and permit us to come to you to you and very I'm grateful with

all. Let's start that this talk about this talk. I have a question.

You know what you're to ask? You think you're in the paranormal? Completely.

And not a question that I have decided or no, no, I don't have option.

Okay. From my my mom, my papa, I mean things paranormal.

My abelel was subtenient of infanteria of the army, and he was much time

in the part of Durango and that part of the north of the part of the

910 when he was the epitania. So, there were a lot of things that were that were in the cellba in the south of

Mexico, until there in the north, he was to get to find out of the devil. Of course, I have a

old old. So, so I'm like that's right. We're going to. My abuela was part-era, but also

also, I read the cards, leigh the tarot. So, that magic, I have so there's life and death and there's kind of

strange, no? Yeah. Then my mom, that also also learned of those mancias and the

chiro mancia Lere the tarot all those those things that's that's really had had been

experiences very even with me in some probably probably this story

the people that have visited remanched but I know when I

was a a nana a new or a duend is that there in the question

my intimate my intive Ricks he is a video analyzing that was a

when when I was to look to that was And he deduco that was a enano.

But because the duendes not are the children, but are other type of entities

that are things more too much. And not only to my privy. We're starting.

Okay. So, so I had an option. I don't have to be to be a

person more aceptic of the world that could say my my papa to say,

he had passed things paranormal, he's was in the movement of

68 very very When I went to the career of and I was studying Derecho

Penal, I'm a master that I'm a monology criminology, obviously, Tarot, astrology,

all the world me says, oh, that school was how that's how or what or what

that's the carhous no? Yeah. But it's the destiny Paco, I don't

think you think you don't think you know sometimes with some some with the

other I don't if you have passed that you you begin to you know to have not

to have some of some of the desensibilizes but then then you say, I'm sure

I'm too for dudar of this right? Yeah. So, is the constant

of the creator of content of terror. It's a part very beautiful because

the people regularly me say you, you know, there are there are moments where

if you see, you feel when you see you you're in danger, you or your family or something like, but

I always considerate what it's like, like, like, once. When you start, that all you, I just do you, I put a proof and I don't remember if I commented

in Sargalan Susstos, that there's my goal, if you know, if you know, you know, when you know, when you're,

you know, about, I'm, my, but more, more, more tiras to something more, not so,

so, that me so, that so, I'm told a story, no, extraordinary normal, but so rapidissimo.

I was very meadowed before. If I saw or I'd something, I would be

from there and always was a company. And a occasion, this I did, and

I remember that I kept in the house of my house of all you, my young

and my father is up to the second-planta with my little to sleep, but I had a and me

I'm in the plant a place. For the people I live

in a fractionation where it's not so in the sense that is a

part of my land where before was pure memem

monte or is at the afuras of the city is

very in the afuras just all overas so all over everything

and a lot of things a to arm this fractionation for

his employees and the past of the time they were many many of the

one of the barrens people people who have been people and always been very

very but for the area where is a little a little pesed

the place not for the insecurity but for the thing

more spiritual and that that that that was I

was I editing doing some things or being something, and I remember

that in the house in the house there's a house that where he and he went and so.

And so, so I was sitting at the sofa in my and I hear you and I

hearthes a great supertissimo, fortissimo, fortissimo. Me gave the attention

because the goal I was I was very clear so, no, no,

no, no, it was the I said, no. It was where I was where I was my chitone

my audio phone and I'm a sonar. I mean, in a lot he took, he was on the corner,

and it was over the commisor. I what had done had been to be to do that

my things and me so barrio. Me I got the computer and me kept the

camera, I started, I began to inspection but I would have done. The

is that there's that there's an application I don't I don't don't really confiating in

applications like of those that they in Play Store or App Store for to be

things but I decided to get on in this moment

for a that is like a kinet when when you

see when when when when people and when

see figures with certain parts I say I don't

not moment, I start I'm going to put on over the commedor and I know

know what when I'm to the house of my his house in the techo

was a exo-skeletto but was a little and this exokeletto I said a very

not no not is no no there's like no there no there a form that the form

of the ex-skelete was a ex-skelete but not was immobile He was like

sated and the the the pernals he called and did this movement he was

moving and he he was able to capture my telephone I'm I'm left

because it was I'm driving in the video in the time he took

capture I'm I'm I'm to look in the there's there's

a car of my he's where is where you go and you're going to

you go and you he's he's another of the car two

I'm I started to feel like a lot of like that I'm trying a really

and I think this I'm going to documentate I'm I'm a camera and error

I was I'm to get that application and if I had to subscribe and pay

and I did you don't can't be that's that was the

poor that I'm that I'm put over past I'm I'm

a carlan Sous I did I'm to take a

capture a capture was like a camera without the application. And I said, I think, I think, here's, and I said, and see, we'll get in some moment, and I said, here is okay, obviously, no, no, so, no, so, no so, no, so, no, so, no, so, no, so, no,

so, so, no, so, no, so, no, it's, the, of what I was, the, of what I'm, the, the hour, were, like, at, the hour, was, like, the thing, I'm, I'm, but, you know, I, I'm, I'm not, I'm trying to, that's true, that's, it was a very good evidence, because

a exoskelete, that's on a object that's there inert, is the exoskelete but no has to move but they

were in the casket of my he moved to move to the arms and the he was sitting in the carito of

my he moved the then so I'm I'm I'm

tranquillize for the courage of that you had to subscribe to yes

I said I'd say that add your target and a And I said, no

it's just it, no it's it. Passed like five minutes, this,

I'll again again to pass. Yeah, I've subscribed. Yeah, I've

subscribed, obviously. Passed, and what you think? Yeah, no. If there

had been something, that, that's, there would have been there's been and I'm

so I'm so I'm so I'm in this moment, sientes the change in the

environment you know something something something something I'm in so I'm

my instinct to try to maybe to think I'm to know to know me to give me and get me

that's I'm perfectly what you do you think is a reporter journalist not you're

like Peterito solo not a reporter like that's a pat chappo and he no he's

but you did you did you what I'm what on this of the ennons to be

let me explain because I'm In the southeastern of the country, if there's those chaneques

those that are those people. No, if it's exactly a cheeneke, but that experience was a man

at least this altitude. I don't know for the people who are for the people who are to be like...

50 centimeters? No, it's like a metro, no? A meter and a 10, maybe. Pantalone

of mesquilla, camisa, quadros, car of bigita. Okay. That was exactly what was there in the house, and that same thing

intended to take to my prima. How much I tried to do you? In my case, my mom began to note rags in the body of the baby mar. I had at least one of eight months. Ah, that's a baby?

Yes, it was a baby. And, of course, we had a perrita coquera. Uh-huh. That, of a sudden, he met into the rinkoes and chiava of the nada. or was

with me and my mom I'd like, my mom and I was going to be, there was nothing, look, like, that's strange. Until that one of the night, my papas are sat down, the door of the room, and front of them

the door of the bathroom, and it's open to the door, Lento, Lento, Lento, and he assom to

this this a lot of a lot of men, macellas, a car of

bigito and he asome to the other to make to get that someone

and he does it and make contact visual directly with my father.

Okay. And the mirate was like chin, yeah me view. Cere the

door that thing and my father and he said, he said, he

said, because it the logic first. My my seconds, Paco. In paris. We've been in the city of Mexico.

Departament, titus, don't. Mancions, no? And it's, it's rapid the door to the bayon. That's able to because, if not a person, it would have tovado or something. And no, there the window was so, chiquita. Impossible.

Impossible. But he's aferro, and was he asked and asked him to get a person, and I'm going to find out, because he wants to get to my wife, because so is my papa. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun. Liam Nissan. Buy your tickets now.

I get a free chili dog. Chili Dog not included. The Naked Gun. Tickets on sale now. August first. Wow. But no, there was nothing. Time after, he platiced with my team. And he said, that same thing, I want to come for my daughter.

And it's something that I've been, really, maybe many people, say, no, man, yeah, I'll tell another story, for favor. But, but... But if it's something that has lived... Yeah, clear. I mean, you know,

you're going to live a every day. No, and apart, that was the first thing

with the first to make me to give in TikTok. And there were much comments of people of but what?

But what he wants, but for what? Well, just basically it's because

to the maybe some other that's some type of a kind of to give

some infante with this type of entities and not it has been or no he has

done. And me when you're a of a sure that will be

going to go he's going and I think so I'm well to see if

we're okay look see so I'm curious because I'm

with the description of the famous Chaneke okay because well

the cheneke has it's little but the cheneke is

of 50 centimeters 40 no don't get a one they're

they're in children, rosa vegentados, but not use a lot of the we use them we're not a type of

bat or at least those of the sureste something that was black but it's socio those extremities are

long, the two longs, it's they're much their column so they're they're

descriptions very very accordia but if I know know that they can be changing

depending the zone where they're there people that have have seen this

type of dounders in the north a part central of Mexico and we know they're

more they're more they're there's those who are the other side of

the world in Europe all so all they're all they're they're

they're but at the same time not is the same we're we're

we're about they're about how they they're they're they're

robars to the other they're going to and they're partying much

things. So it's what a much people and it's what you don't know,

or it's a variety or is of the same family, or is, it's something really interesting.

Well, it's a cheneke endemico of the Colonia Ballejo here in the city of

Mexico, I think. Because the really is that if for that we're just we're not

we're in house. Okay, okay. That was a vivencia that you took into

your father, it was a A good thing really Yeah, we're

to enter in the theme Paco. Yeah it's hour. Okay,

what do you want to you know first? Before the last, there

one, of a person, no see if you know, you know, I don't know,

I'm not about, we know, we're talking, yeah, so you know, if you know,

so, okay. And, I'm going to talk so nervous this story I

got with the narrator. And the narrator he went very well to the video, all right. Me called this person and me says, another way, it's not going to be. Okay, we're going to see

the history. You've heard that this type of people, not only about politics, also about about the artists, persons that are in the media, persons that are gigantes. They're doing rituals. In power? In the power?

Yeah. That the power can be many things different for this is

the history of Gracela a person who has a person who is a fan of the

channel and us made her story so result that

she was working for a family of people very

powerful in Mexico in the years in the years this

so she did she she studied in a

university of a because a is to say, the husband of this man,

we're going to say the Mr. Mereles, because that is the name that's the name I've

put to the Mr. Mireles, he was a woman, and her was a friend of

Graciela. This chick he said, and we're looking a youngiera for the children.

We're doing pedagia, give that you know, you know, you know, and the offerter was

very tentator a paco. Good suldo. There were some things there of a

life. Conviv with this type of people. And she had a dream

that was to open a primary Okay, a school. So he said he's a and he's

I'm super good, and so I'm super good so much filters to get to them.

The last filter is with the wife of the Mr. Mireles and when

he has this end of that the she has a little of her

she has a carpet and they're many documents of Gracela and he

has questions as as respond correctly. For what the she said, you know,

I'm quite very well. Not only you're, you're a friend of my brother, you're sincere,

pass as to all the filters of security that are about to guard secretos, things too

you're there. You're a good family, no has no has no way that can

make so much perfect. The contract and one of the first things that's what I'm going to

give this agenda. You'll give the agenda and every end of the end of the second of the month there's a new year there's a programed with the kids because I want to

get in the house only with my spouse. And she says things of esposos. Yes. Cosses of the love.

Some things of the love. And, um, Gracila, the fact is, I was working with them with them at least

one year until that fatigical day fin of month it's it's

to go to get to prepare the children go to a house

precious of those of those houses that you jolet in the next

I'm I'm I'm I'm don't I'm I'm again

again again and she me she she described

that the house had a porton very great, a reja

in-ravas, a patio precious, and the house. The salon, hermos, I mean, many, many movels, very beautiful, but

well, this I'm describing for one reason. She prepared the children that last weekend of the

month, and they're going to the airport. When they say, it's that we can't

go to get to some ways technical, I think we're They say, no, I don't go to get

a few hours here, because not you're saying, how much hours exactly I'm going to get to be

to try to the man, I'm in a carionette or or here. Sure. And he's kept thinking,

what I do, what I go? And it's to go to the house that in the state of the other state.

Mm-hmm. And you're in a other state. But I don't have any the keys, I said, I don't have

the keys, no, I'm, and I said, and he said, you know, you know, let me ask me to the

Mr. Mereles, yeah, what I go. And the chauffeur, he said, I that you know, I'm regressable. The chauffeur, you know, said, there's a lot. Sure. And Gracilla, he said, but what I do?

No, I can't have here. In that time, in the years 80s, it was very difficult contactar. Well, with certain people, and he said, well, we're going to go, we're going to, I'm going to go, I'm going to, I'm going to, things very explicit

in the house, and no want to the people who don't know. I don't just go in the car, nothing. I don't to question to Mr. Mireles. The chauffeur accepted bachoneated.

No I wanted. No I'd. They're to the house. It's

back and from there began a vibrator that you don't? Oh, that's

that's rare, no? Yeah, it was almost of the door. And you

say, okay, because they're there's these things rare, many

voices. Yeah. Yeah, to the door of the entrance and he

he's he's and he's okay and then he's okay and then he's

and he was opening a person very known of the kind of 80s

in Mexico yeah but not the impressionate that

but the house was it was it was that yeah

that one that I didn't and that there

was There were many vellas on both sides. Okay. There was a alfomber that, in the place of a a little

of an animal and in the middle of the house, there was a tae all the people that were

tunicas, including this celebrity that he opened, who, when, when, did a

little, a little, you know, Wow. And she just said the Mr. Merelles. And this person

was like, Mr. Merele's, they're looking but like, divertido for what would be what was

going to happen with her. Okay. The of the Mr. Mereles to get to get to

that personality of those people that you see, you say, oh, a caon, if it's

this person. Yeah. Caminando to her, enoadisim. I said, no, I'm going to

or something or more for what I did like I said what I'm what I'm what I'm

worried too so I'm worried too for that you have you've so you're not a situation

that's the situation of that's that's that's like so I want to I'm like

to go to the other state but is that I don't have the I don't know if someone

Mirrele's not just I be like he said he said I said I don't

I want to look to see here, Traime the chauffeur. For Gracilla, it was like, oh, rations,

in his regress, the camionetta, it was like, he got to end the thought of, no,

no, no, I'm going to get to be able to for having seen this, and he said the

the chauffeur, I said, I'm, the chauffeur, set up a few minutes, and he he's the

said the Mr. Millel is that he goes to his kids to the

house to the other Stav. And she, like, I don't want to go to the house of the other state. Sure.

But they're going and the and the kids they're going. And there's a part of her that also what I mean.

What was that? He tried to the soap to the chauffe and he said, I don't want to talk. No,

I don't want to try to let's get to the soap to the kids, that definitely they didn't

nothing, nothing. And for security the chauffeur not to say. Sure that no.

Yeah, regress, to the house that the day, and the Mr. Mereles and

the she was, like, if it would have passed nothing, and they said, you know,

we're saying, uh, and she thinking, is that I don't want to go to go to

go back. Passed a pair of days, until the she said, my husband want to

talk to me. No, well, the Gracela he got but I put,

at the studio, and, well, this person yeah not was enojada, it was very firm, and also he'scribe with a charisma very special. And he says, Gracilat, you know, I think, for the

best of all, we can't have some of the rest, no? And that for the bienestar of all, includes many things. Sure. Like, you guys to my spouse, my

kids you adored you're a friend of my cunyada no we'll

have to have a inconvenience what I see and the real she did

the best that someone that someone that I don't see nothing

no no no my Mr. Mr. Mireles he said

perfect well we're we're we're we're Wow. Call her my spouse.

And yeah. Salle to the house, like, oh, no? She's been working more time.

Logro to bring your primary. Actualment she has but there something that noticed that

started. Of a repent, no important if I was on the house normal,

if I was a sonnando with a nobio. And yeah that had people that

they were repeat but with different roba in the places of that I was that person

had seen at the other side okay they're to see them and they're

doing for many years Faco wow and not only so that

the not that the Mr. Mireles did go back here that they

they're they're they're to they're I'm I'm so I'm

I'm to tell that I'm and me he said, I think

I'm going to pass, but me said the subcropora. No. I think I'm going to be going to go back.

Because the little bit more because the nia also have been for that that's why I do authorization? I said,

I said, I don't want to cause a problem and I don't say, I didn't even even the state in the state

in where they're not doing the year specific, no I'm saying if it's of the entertainment, no, I'm saying if it's

of the question, no, no, don't you preoccupies. I think

we had ceased because it had ceased many years. But no.

She believe that there still there people that's there

say. How that? How is that? Look, that's that I

was that I'm a moment a person that I took here in an

interview no he didn't know for things of secrecy.

I'm going to context, because I don't I want to affect it. Interviews

a person that pertain is a group of persons. I'm going to say. The

people, I'm sure that know, or they're to know who are they're in this

group of people who have done they're they're they're they're they're

they're they're they're they're they're they're they're in the

count, we're here, and he said, well, there are people of different credos, different religions, and creences. Could be a Christian, you can't be a person that God, Catholic, on the Virgin,

could be a person who is a person that's a lot of the sateria. So, at final of count, we're just to start to share to knowcimint. But,

so, there years, there was a person that when you start to know, to you

start to become because it's these people that

he's he he's he he's a when he

was a little he said he he this

person to this group to start and when

she starts and he starts to get a

set of knowledge and know and was a person

that was dev the books. He gave books, he gave books, and he started to

study, study, and he started, and he started, and he began to know. Conocimint, basic. That person, to the family never said that he

had been part of this movement or of this group of people, no he said. He, and the

eyes of his children, he was a person, is a man example, and he no, has a lot that pertain is

this group, for nothing, simply decided to scone it. But if there's a little that

right, in a moment they're to know what is, he he started,

he principally he was of a religion Catholic, he'd go to

the church, with his post, his his father of his

father of his father, he he was he was the he was

he was and he was he was and he went to his husband what he

was doing never. I think that was a error, he started to

do it, he put excuses that he had to get to be in the office and he he started

to have this space for him to acquire the knowledge. The people or

the people of this group when they said they were a person

because he was a person that was a lot to learn and that's

that certain point. So he he started to learn many

in a I mean, the fact I don't remember well. I made a

number of how much books he was to learn in just so three

months. It's a kind of I'm not I want to read it.

But he used much things. And he got to change. Something

in your mind started to when so when this he's

he's he's he's he's he's and he said there's

there's there no I'm not the name of the book because it's

a book that is a can get to get to find. Ojo, it's a

book that is, is a little bit is still filtered. It's not easy

to get it. I see what is. He said, the name of the book. This book that

is in the biblioteca me about a knowledge of an acquired by the

medium of the media spiritual. Let's to to be able to have it. Because what

mark the book is something that I'd do. But I have to have it. The power. The knowledge is power.

And he was he was a under because he said that we we have goted

as part of the process historical in our movement. It's like part fundamental of the

history. no we do we do we do we and this person

said okay okay that's good you recommend you know no no

do you don't take it this is a process that was a

practice that's that in that year in a no is something

that's you need you need to you need many things that not only

not only it's not only it's not he said he said he'll he's

he's he's and the problem is that he's he he's he

he's he he said so as like he he said he he's

a not in internet not in books no he's in no

not in any lot is a something that needs to be invoked

for that that that information but for that this gets to

get a need a an offender and not is a

kind of offering this person started with animals and

so to make to make to make a creencies because he was

to start to certain people of religions african

to start to make a mescolance of your knowledge with the other and he started to do with an animal but no he functioned so as

as his junta are to share to share he said I've said that I'm I'm going to do you

what I did no I'm not all they all they said they said you said we didn't

that you did you We said that that was a practice that it was a record historical, that not you did. Why did you? Well, it's that's that's not, to compare to the

knowledge. And I do you look the know. The family of this person no idea of what he was doing. For him, was the father-exemplar, the spouse of an exemplar, and he had had to another world

to many animals, and he was disposed to mandated to another world to a little

something something something that's that the innocence they're

they're they're to say to say to say let say let's

say what you think of you don't we're we're there

there form if you want if they're I

want to do do they they part of of all,

he could support he, he, he, he, he, he,

he, he, he's not a knowledge, there's he he's

he, he manage, he, he's, yeah, no, we

know, no, know, how know, no, know, or,

know, know, no, no, no, he, they're, this,

this person to help to help with this type magic, yeah, we

we about the processes magical, no he baste, and this this man, this, this,

me was told in the person that I interviewed, but my husband, I don't know what I can't tell. The fact, I'm not even though I'm giving data. This man, looking trying, to get, because no he was going to do with his son, no, he was supposed to do with any one of those kids,

it was going to do with a little, that he tried, and unfortunately, and I think, afortunately, could be detained. This man

of the I'm, and for this person no he's not he's and I'm

not doing information, is because he's because he in the carcel. He's a

lot, see a a lot for, the theme infantile is very very

very very delicate and to him, like he they're they're

moving to a little in his vehicle to have to have

a final of count. Poster of the nils. And it's under that under that

condo. Affortunately they're found. And it's a person that, me

said, in what reclusory is that? Me said, but obviously, for security

of the person, for security of all, like you say, is to share this

type of experiences that the people think that not say, but at final of

count, are present and occur in the life real. For there's a Dichoch what did you want to talk about?

Well, I want to tell you about Wagovi. Wagovi? Yeah, Wagovi. What about it? On second thought, I might not be the right person to tell you. Oh, you're not? No, just ask your doctor. About Wagovi.

Yeah, ask for it by name. Okay, so why did you bring me to the circus? Oh, I'm really into Lion Tamers. You know, with the chair and everything. Ask your doctor for Wagoe by name. We govi.ca for savings. Exclusions may apply. I know.

I've been because I've been a lot about that's a movement for people that I've really much,

and I've been even in his funtes. Okay. De infiltrated because, ah, my

friend, I'm in me has met me, and he intended to me unier in some moment.

Okay. No, no. For nothing. Of course, they're not sure, they're

Something, pardon you interrupt, but I'm going to say this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this man, has passed. You know, to get, one, to care, to be, for the morbo of what he's and there. And there are other locus that get, but they're going to do things extreme. I mean, there are one of them. So, so, not are people that, so, are, so, are people that, si, is, but this type is was going of the line

horrible. It was totally out of the context. I mean I think I'm know of this

type of practices and I can say I'm say my good people's that the people who

know the and it's and I'm people and we're doing we're doing a club for so

all the really not are different to us not they're not doing things so turbias

or nothing of the style so they are part they're the knowledge and

that is the idea to to grow the knowledge and

to support to them in a community. Exactly. And a creation

genuine between everyone. But no there's nothing to rascasualas terrible

that really to get to Harry Potter Woldemortem is the perfect representation

of that doing those horrocruxes yeah brother you know that's that's that

is that is that I think I'm in the person of the person

every every every every is a different and every

person has a different perception of the reality he

had I mean, in his creency, in his mind that if he could, in some

moment, to get this type of offrenda, is that is the name. I say, the book

and say the name, but it's something I, not is something that I want to I'm going to

this adid, he was to give to. A, so, a knowledge a, so,

not it was not even something, like, like, like, that you do it

was sure, So, it was a book that's a guarded for a process historical and that was made in an archivero in a biblioteca

like something that in their moment was or that someone gave to practice and it and it was

an note it and it was a person person pertinced this movement in the year of the

year of the caldo and there's the people malita of your bad at your actions

will exist in all sides, without to what movement pertaintsk to the

community, even the most catholic casiques of persinan, you say, you say, you know,

and a questionable of their practice, in the life real, but in the church, you know, so much

that's the kind of people, not the type of the person, the time, or maybe

is the is the you know that is capable of because his wife and his

kids, never they're until the final when they're that the poses

that's that's that's that's what I'm really because when I'm

when I said, no you don't you want to say, if you don't have

no, but we suggest we that you know, that you know, even we can

even put to uner to your partner when you there's, there there's

in this and it's the really something really a thing really a

thing that exists this union like matrimony but yeah we're talking about about

about problems marital and that is about about saying Pinky Promise Oh yeah there other story

that you were talking just about just about of raptors okay to get people

without this is the story of Violetta Violetta when when was a little

was discriminated for his pap the courte of the house when

he had 13 years wow Because I had an orientation different. She's

going to work at the Merced to carry bultos to to be in the street

when when a repent she's she's a girl of the life galante

that what you're what you're doing what you do you you're then to

my department I'm I'm I'm how is the how is the

business because for the persons trans is a thing very difficult in to start in the time of this history that's over there in the years 90s.

Hool-le. Terrible. But Eva, in his knowledge, she'll try to help as a chiquita, the introduce to the business from that

age, and he had, for the other, and she, Eva practically she was, but she never sent you the

love of an her mother of a hermama very very because also Eva is

like that was like a woman at least I'm a year

so I'm so that so terrible Eva was having a person or providing services to

a person a pretty powerful in Mexico okay without

exactly that I'm no of that but but but chonch

the grade in that Eva yeah I had practically

to all even to do you know you know you

don't because this person yeah we're going to wow he has he has every

one respect but but we're we're providing so we're we're doing we're doing the last

the last time she was going to in that same carionette black that

she ever she was she was she was and then he never he never he no

he he no she no she she intended to ask, denunciate, but no, he said, oh, if it's a person that's a

person who's a woman, for there, there should be there. And it's something very sad in Mexico. So, of all right? Contra- Who's not? Carpetas, sure.

No, no. Carpetas, sure. No, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Right, And, and unfortunately, in

some they're in the body of Eva, with signos of have

been very in something very rare. Very rare Paco. Because the form

in that says, I don't want to say, I don't think that's

good, but there had seenals of part of

some of some kind. Okay. And it's something that,

well, Violetta always she asked, he said, I hope that my friend,

no? Never they could give her because she not were family. And,

unfortunately Eva was with with the other. Sure. Passed the time

and curiously Eva was supposed to appear in this zone of the

Merced. So his spirit? Yes. So phantasm to appear in that

zone of the Merced. Even Clientes of Violetta they said,

how she was if I I just I've I did come

on the way, I don't me can't say that too. The people that were

the person that's a question very terrible here in Mexico that is that are

people of certain organizations delictive they they're they're to make

a establishment to this type of people that are independent and that they're

they're in they're they're they're a quota for that

they're they're even they're they're they they're There you go.

No, more. So, so for the right of the violence that began to be in the Merced, for a lot of

things, she. She decided to get to there. And yeah, by the 2012, she, she was to

have to have, this, the clientes for Facebook. So, she had, I was, I mean,

a lot of different, subidates of tono in the night, and he co-braed for it. Wow,

how intelligent. Cobra. Cobra for it, and he had, like, those clients establishedos,

that they were in Amigos, yeah no I'd have to resgars to the

car when when I'm a time to I'm a message that says

I'm I'm going Chokis and so he said Eva to Violetta Chokis

a Violet opened the message Perfil Disconos Who

this person even? The only the only that was the only that was yeah

and how, how? Dyes after they said no you until that I got herrower me, the Tipejo.

So, if you do you make a buskedom interesting, you can't find it. The Tipejo desvied to his husband. A so and so, it was

how could get to getar it. Okay. And for that Eva, yeah, he said, I'm very chockish. Like, there was, like,

those stories that I go, oh. Oh. And, yeah, well, obviously, the problem to Violeta, oh, you could you

send a message, The fact is that would be very interesting to put it in the video because I have all a recliction like in stories with women. With his

I don't remember of the contrast. No, well, imagine it's in the 2012. No, man, I was not saying.

But, of really, it's these stories that not only only don't have been terrible.

Yeah. Paranormal. Sure. It's two stories that he said, the impunidad that

to a certain mode only only he gave the justice to a certain way to because

deviled her esposa, but for this woman. Imagine how many times of his

spouse stood in that and not he's just and it's and graciously right right we

know we know about mention it we've been taking cases of this type of the

life real that with a tint paranormal in the podcast of Ceregal and Sustos and

reading some it's impressive to give to give the majority or

much cases I don't know how call those of criminals in Mexico have a reason

paranormal have a thing paranormal because there people I remember a man

I don't recall the case that he he said that he he said that he

he didn't he had he had to his liquid vital the the load

of the heart not and not he not was and not he was

a calm And I had to do it. So, there are people that are very, very, very, bad of their

and they're sueltos, and they're committing a lot of things. And this situation no has,

as a status economic, so, not only the people with a scarce arcus.

There's there's a clear example of a person with a person who has a power,

of the power, to continue doing the mal, without being judged

under the justice without to get a limit, that I'm able to tapar the

sun with the that you know, that's fiatty that's when I

started when I received a last a story that I'm a person

that is a foreign it's strange because well as strange

is very common encounter with archives that they can carpetas

and what is extrano is that some get to get to the light.

And he's time of where is my city, in other city,

I can say, why is because if it's a case a

very dense, he he said he and he he had to

give the service to a person. This person had a antecedent

because of disappearance, because that person was enplanted. So the

people of Mexico know what is that phrase. This person had

yeah various years that no he didn't he

and when they they're they're they're in a territory lejos

of the city and he he has the service back

with with the medical and he does he

and when he to the part to not

say the morgue they began to inspection and this man his body

presentable, his signos of torture the truce but there other other

other other and that and so when when they start to analyze

the the person it's to cause much fear this

this man in the he had camis no not

they had they've not they're to the camisa, they're

a pentagram in his pecho, and in his back, at the same height, had, like

they'd like with an object a punso courtant a type of oration. He said

this subject was, he was in a type of ritual, for some

some the people had in his body. Obviously they're they're

and they're and they botan but they I just rastros. There were other

markers that I can't describe it or not I'm censored in the video, but that they

had to have been with their part in the we're going. Let's let us.

He said, I was with that place in that place. It was at one and a

middle of the madrugat. When when you are attending this type of the

people, one you're to or was part of a ritual or an offrenda if you're

something that's something never had never had lived and no I've got to live but

it's horrible because apart the ultimate expression of the rostro is an

expression terrorific because this type was with the ultimate impression

and he had the rigidess but his rostro was with

something something that was a fear, and a million

things, and you see the and you see the and he did a lot because

he was to do to do to do like a professional but he said

that that that madugada was something that he

he can't understand and the people that I know

that I've talked so much time he know he

he said he he all the day and before to

start his work and he he's the and he like a

cartina blank the sierra and he he's there's there there's

there there's there but he left the door he went

to he went to a other cell and he went and he

he's kept thinking in what he was he was very

very consternated to have a person so with that type

of signs and things that he did he did

he he went about 20 minutes to get something

and he when he was going to where

was this body was this curtains that are

black are transparent the the body was in

the one I was in the world was

in the side of the He saw enormous, something great. He saw a form humanoid or had

his extremities, but he thought to someone entered, why not the door? And conform he was

asercando that form that was that was behind the curtain, he was going to

and he no I was a press to the pass, open the door

the curtain and and no there nothing. The only rarer is he had

taped the body completely to the face. And this was discovered to where

was the pentagram. He me said Paco is the only time in my life,

the only in my life that I don't have a

logic for what I've lived. I don't am a person that

create in things magic in things supernatural but

But that time that I gave a person that was in a ritual and for what I

know was a type of offender I don't know to think about

of the supernatural of the paranormal because now I believe in

it. Nothing borr of my mind that I saw that I

was on the body was on the body but when I

went going was disvancy it. It's very common

even though that the people think that it's that they're that they're people for this

type of of this type of so in America in part of the world because right we

have taken those cases to this podcast of that when we get to investigate

to really it's so to know how the great majority

of crimees are in a thing that has to be

with demonios invocations rituals rituals, something what you think? It's terrible,

Paco. I, when I took my opportunity to work in the fiscalia

as other other places as a bogada, you see things terrible

I don't think the people can't imagine or the imagination to be

a person to see a type of images were carpetes and

carpetes with things abominable Paco. I said, I was that I said, I mean, it's it's a very,

it's a very common, much more common than what any of you could think. This type of ritual are realises. I could say that many of the

people who are used to this type of things for creencers of these people to work to make or more territory, or more people, or more

power. The terror in Mexico barca for all the this is the paranormal the famous

of the non-retanical that the people say they're passed on a much time

no no no no those practices continue and they're not more that we

don't know because well we don't we look and we don't know for our

health mental I'd say to there was a moment in the there was

there and in the moment in the moment in that I did it's a carpet more

I'm I'm no, what what's going to? That's not I'm going to so, for so I'm

so, for this story that you just a because, evidently, I've been been in the CEMFO,

I've been having carpetas, I've been working with that situation and for me, the way, and seeing

all the all my life, I'm I'm going, no, no, I've seen, no, no, I'm,

I'm going to I, I'm sure I, I'm fortunate to say, I recuperate my sensibility, actually I'm

affect. Your humanity. My humanity regress-o and I consider a better abogated a part of that

because in the moment in the moment in the you get the heart, it's right, it's quite.

That part is important because there people who are people who are used to be used to get those

that that they're for them. For them a man a man, a woman, another adult

so, yeah is something that, that's too that feel that sensibility

of saying, there was a life, maybe a little that had a life

for the future for the woman of many, but that's super young,

but that cameo in the people that that's unfortunately, fiftate

that there there's a pattern. There's a pattern that we've seen for the people who

have a message of a very important is, always people vulnerable. Persons

that are solos that have a state where they those are more vulnerable and get to offer

an help. And they're like the best person that can have known to this world

to gain to get your confidence. Don't you're to come to put you

to get to your child you can't let's let's do with me and you know

if you don't who you can't let's another case no

strong, of a minor of the age, you know at what

they're to be so always this type of people

going and people people people that maybe have

a past and and and that people still

that that and for that innocence get to

get in people and and need much and

much necessity. So for the people that get

to this podcast, have taken much careful in the people. I mean, there are

there are many things that can get to get to be very bad, very tenebrosas and very,

very scalofrient as, as you say, and I know, I was a time I'm in a...

I'm going to get to be a lot of those. I'm sorry, I'm a person very close in a me,

he worked in a dependency of government. And one once passed something,

I mean there are some of really, they're of a reason, and there are cases that

are of that's that's a feo. A person that's that he was a

jol is that a people because there was a woman. Gere one a woman

had three three children but I went to the woman went to say

that that that that is that is for municipalities, that the

municipality no he was doing or not was doing the rights corresponding, he was violating

the rights of his husband. And what did his husband? A to one of my

two of my two of my kids. Ah, so I'm to see, but why they're

violating those rights? Sure. So, you know, my head

exploded in that moment of the senior? Yes, well, is that they're

just that they're doing and the And so he's And the people Like it's a There's a

There's a There's To exercise For their own That's Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,

So, And then, And fortunately This man This man, This, He's, He's,

Yeah, And he's the He's the Now, What did? Now, How did you Oh, no,

Oh, no, No, you You know, You're You're One, 11 years. Once

years. And for Why was the discussion? A tonteria. Because the type went, the father, attack to her mom. To say,

to the mom to his spouse, and he set up to defend her. And the woman, bidding

that respect the rights of her husband. Why? Because no he's done an abogado of officio,

why? Because he don't they do they're saying, what demunio what do you what do

some people. Of the what chingado so what's what on? I mean,

a person that for me disculpen me but for me no no has no. Absolutely.

Degraciously many many institutions do you have more like importance this type of persons

of their rights although they have done a lot of things but it

is normal like you for so that that that I do

me because those carpets I in their moment I see to see a I'm in

no, I don't know, I'm not sure of that's but in the moment I did a service

and I took to start in a place where I saw in some those

serros of carpetas with expedients with the 2008 of 2006

that were still without and without and without from since

from many many people like just just talking

of disoman let me talk a A pretty same history. Adelante, this is the

story of Javier who's who got to a phantasm that he helped to do a number more. At least

he helped in the thing. Okay. All right all of the when of a repented

they took the door and they were looking to the wife. He said that

and that's graciously his sobriene had been had had been a little

accident to some quadras. He called Tony, this subrino. A chabot

super really suing, super good under, he used to play football with his coattes.

He liked more or less or not, but well, so in an ambient. Well,

resulta that when they go to the skin, they discover that Toio is done deseched

completely. I'm talking to completely to the imagination of the people

that are listening and no I don't think they get in, I don't think they get in the

kind of the ruptura corporal that there was there. Okay. With to say that

the rostro kept in a whole but I was a sorry.

Well, was a thing really that's that's that's terrible in

the deshumanization also of the press. The Amalizism? The

Amarism. Well, what the process? Recoge in the body to have been in via public,

it's going to directly to investigation. Determine that effectively the culp he, because the carmone

and he was because he went because he was a medium tomadone. And, no, no,

no, no, eight hours Paco, waiting to the body, yeah,

just, yeah, par enthral, yeah, not even, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah. There's Javier his husband, when of a repent, they they say, no,

it's that no, it's to know, to know, to know, and then then, then, then,

then, and see that the people, and they're going to be going to be possible, so yeah,

desperated, there's a man, saying, Antonio, Brito, this man, like a guardia, but with those lends

of the 60s, so one says the sir is the he's another

time he's he's he's he's well is that the chau yeah

he's he's but no they're not they want to go

to get to and I'll give chance no the no the

she said I don't be my no no I'm

in the the stone that he he said he he said Javir

said you go? Because this police he doesn't the door

the door to enter to to look but prendame the light

that's but I'm there and so with the lamp and so the cellular and looking

as in the house in the on the in the pieces, in the the messes

so totally dishumanized he's that that's that something like when when a

presentiment you say you'll be be here there's and if you know

he's you you know he's no here he preened in the light, he says,

you know, what's doing here? He's one of the doctorate with a person of security. He let him do you know, well, I mean

to go into a person of security with lentes with a uniform, and is that I'm just I'm just

I'm just I'm just I'm trying to and here's and here's and give them and the doctorer just

just kept like, let me let me let me get them and the guardia like, secure

And he says, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they'll say, and there out of the guardia, he said, you're in God? And, Javier, like,

what type of is that? Yeah. Yeah. Because if you think God, that I do I think,

exist in the phantasmas. Because a God, we can't see, and the phantasms, because that person that you've seen

no exists. There are various people that me say to have

seen to be to the man that he he's a person

that's he was a Javier he was saying well yeah this

man he helped do that he went but he kept

thinking a a phantasm I let me say to Pacier is my

papo no manches that what Firt I'm I'm was

in the car I remember perfectly because I was studying for the exam of the one. I studied eight hours. I was. That's great. And, that's lamentable. But what? What experience, at the same time,

so reconfortant? Because that that's a lot of in the sentiment that they're in this type of spirits that have, even after of the life,

this, to care, to help still even standing mortals. I mean

much to the many many stories of people that standing

in an hospital receiving an attention of a person that

a person that has a love that that is a

a person that's a person that's many. Much

you know is a plan and not only only is one because

that has happened in different hospitals of different parts of Mexico. We're talking of

phantasmas that have been to serve, to help. That's something very good, very beautiful. Not only

they get and you're spanked, no. So, your conscience, a part of sweater, is a

place in this plan to to continue to help. What's so chida to terminate? This episode.

How did you know no, Sustad. No, it's that this type of stories,

I mean, I see me get much. I'm like, like I'm like I'm doing like I'm like I'm sure.

So, I'm very really, sohall that they have liked to all. For

favor, in the same way, Mark, you can't repeat your social? Me

found, like remanched, remanched, rematches of YouTube and Spotify and TikTok and I'm

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