EXTRA ANORMAL - Historias Siniestras de Brujas Nahuales con El Doc

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

En este escalofriante episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, Paco Arias se une a El Doc para adentrarse en el misterioso mundo de las Brujas Nahuales. Descubre relatos inquietantes y leyendas paranormales que revelan los oscuros secretos detrás de estas enigmáticas figuras del ocultismo.• Testimonios y relatos sobre antiguas prácticas y rituales sobrenaturales.• Encuentros impactantes que difuminan la línea entre mito y realidad.• Análisis de cómo estas leyendas han marcado la tradición y el folclore del ocultismo.Acompáñanos en este viaje al corazón del terror y descubre cómo el poder de las brujas nahuales sigue vivo en las sombras de nuestro mundo.🔔 Suscríbete y activa la campanita para no perderte más historias paranormales en Extra Anormal Podcast.

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your material is destroyed to create or, or better to change to the of an animal

I. I saw an animal, a perro, a type galgo of that so I

tendan to color black how he was in his two patas in those

two patas and with the other two patas had a puerco No Do you

And when they're And when they're They're how Lentamently something So back to them So it was

And they were And so they'd And so they said He He Preparate

What I'm going to be able to be. Welcome to a a chapter more of a podcast Extra Anormal. My name is Pacuarias

and I'm very happy to be in a chapter more for all of you guys. This occasion

family, I'm glad because us a favorite of the family, a person

that many people who know has been with us over having with us

and and the fact I'm really How is your man? Well, I'm grateful

to be with you and with all the family of the podcast extra normal and then we hope

that the thing that we've prepared is of his agrado. The thing that we're going

to talk this night, as the time, in the title, in the

miniature, and also I think it's of the episodes that me entusiasma

always that apart that my fascination for this phenomenon is very

great, we don't avoid to give that's one of the great mysteries of the

humanity. About to Naguels, shamanes or for some people diableros.

But, before to enter to this, Doc, I'd like that for

favor, he'd say, you know, you go ahead a little, the doc

was talking with me, we've been in plattics, and the dog has to say

to all of you're especially for the people that have time

looking to talk with him or a consulta with him or simply that

they're in a thing spiritual. Doc. Well, as you've

been talking for the grand quantity of solicitudes that

really there people that are suffering or are for

some process of some some and they they

want they they really is something spiritual or something material I've decided

present a option to be in a contact more direct with them and to help them and

try to determine really what is your situation and as as we've talked about I'm going to make a

number for that they can be in contact direct to me and that

the attention be more personal perfect perfect friend, the doc me

paid the grand favor to mention this to all the people. The fact is that

you have a don't incredible friend. We discovered from the moment

in the we've we're talking about when I'm when I explore

to see that you see that you have in this moment,

I just can't contact you to be people and they

can't make and whatever will be in communication

with Thank you for this opportunity And once Well, yeah after this announcement

that I think I think that much people that's I'm going to let us let's talk

a little before because much people hear this podcast and so subscribe

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people know that is a other know those change

to the skin walkers to many phenomena you

you can you what you what is a

well well well talking with different people I

have encountered a concept a an idea of

a idea of a for me the Nagual are

people with a power and this power depending

of their ability to to provoke that there so change

physical or simply be a a person the that he abandon and

he could take possession of an animal and here there is

a bit frankes in the sense in the way there

can work and that work with because if something

I've done is that the interviews you have done

you have said you have said would very

complicated and for example here there is a very common

that commit many people that want to see really

that transformation physical I mean I refer to really the

person that is a person that is a person and you

can see you can see that transformation and to

what me have to to to because someone

who someone that's people that's people who have these

people, they need a permission to make a type of changes. So,

really the transformation of a gawal not is because really really

so because they need a mission. We We're

talking a little about a time, of the nahuals. The

number one or the person with the knowledge that precisely is what you

us you know is what you know in the phase one that we we're not

a man, a man a person a person sabia that he'll connect to

his psyche with the psyche of that I remember much that he was

I'm that I'm a manned a manned how those chamanes

connect with with his animal spiritual or with

the animals and can be perceiving or to hear through the

sense of the animal, agudizant and potentiating stability. The example that was that there

is that there's a alcon that's there's a person, there's a same time

that's in a state of a same elevated, probably reciting a little

a frequency or vibran in a frequency for that can't connectarse mediating the meditation

augmented and to have like the connection with the animal and see what the animal and hear what

the animal and see what the animal is the phase one. Of the phase one, we're going to

talk about because I think there's the stories that we're that we're interesting but it's

also trying to understand the phenomenon. It's important mention that that, that first

level and the chaman for so is the name that he

really not have the control physical of the animal the animal is the

that's doing his activities he the only he does

is that he position his senses in the own the

but no has the control really that that

is the level basic the one the one

the one came in the the same person

that connect to his but there is something more. Yeah not only

perceive a through the things of the animal. Now control to the

animal. Like that something something something in the mind, that now has

the power and the person that is meditating in a frequency supermently

elevated and now the animal is at expenses of the person.

The person can to make the animal attack the person could be that the

person can be a lot of I remember much in the stories is that we we've seen a

perro is that we've we've a coyote that is the animal

but in the stories also they're not very great

and deformes I think in the phase two is the

classic when the shaman bus commit or do

something controlling a a animal until I think you know

we're we're about a ability sorenatural something something an person

that's a person in the energy in a form that's an interpretation of both the stories that we're going to

talk with certain people who manage this type of energy and to what they're saying is that a level 2 is the control of an animal

and is where we really we're that's encargant either or do make or protect because principally that's the function

of an awal to realize some type of protection to some place to some person and that's

that's about a a level of control of energy elevated and until the time no

there's a form to get to get to prove it really of a method scientific if

we're talking about that is the level in this level I think

that the majority still being people people people chamanes

chamanes that are people their and using the energy

of the nature of the but now I think the I think the phenomenon most temid when the person

the human not only not only control now the instinct animal is in it but here we're about

a metamorphosis we we're about about something that for me something the occultism the real

mystery that you your material. Your material is destroyed to create or, or better

to change to the animal. And is when now if we're we're with these

beings, medium amorphos between humans and animals deforms, like with

eyes different like of humans, like of humans, or women,

extremely great, very very very very but about we

about we're about about of the things that causes damage that they

can't people and they're and that causes a people and

places and the phase three also also as

the diableros about that exactly as like what

you mention really really yeah about a phase

three and about people that not They don't work with Ceres of

light, for so say to say it's they're really to be

a new a deid superior that that they give that that

transmutation of their own their own their material

and let this type of of beings not

have a good intention normally sometimes are to

do to try to try to eat the own

those people or animals and And it's a little difficult to talk to this

thing because there are many stories that about about not about or gnawales

malos that cause they cause damage, they're really are really they're focused on

doing and the majority of stories always about of transformations of animals

very great, the most common is a perro a perro or a

or a or exactly yeah see that just talking I with Antonio,

that's a man on a brother, he he was in a

place where exist those like those, like those

people that guard much the magic and they have the

and the question that he he could talk with people

that in the level one and in the level one and in the

level two people that people who don't to people the

power of the energy the frequency and the vibration, occupant and they can do this. And he said,

because I remember that Antonio mentioned about, is that I want to talk with the other, a level three.

And these chamanans say, no, is that no, it's not, it's not so it's

like they, they're in war, because they are this luch constant, and these

people they mentioned that one a person at level three, that even

even so being human even he's able to control because the instinct

animal that is in it the power that's in it in

moments like that traga the nobland the mind

and nubland the and the animal is the act so in whatever

a person even even being human with instinct salvage could

destroy your body can can have there there

like a war very interesting and over all you have been

you've been in, you've done service medical in sierras in places where

there's not there people in poblas with bruchas you top with people, with

people, with little changes in the world I want to mention something because

much people probably say, is that that's what you don't I don't

know, is something of the what fomomare and it's But you, Doc,

better than other people, better than nobody knows what the people of those people of those people of

those Nahuas. What is what they said? What is the creencia of them? Well, they've been

to understand this. For someone that not want to never suede, for the

people who are the grand family of podcast extra-normal are people that are a little more

more flexible, they're in that mental that's a more about the situations that

still the science not can explain. And, said this, the people in the

communities to the gawals those have more than than as a protectors

of certain places. Obviously there are Naguals in a level two

that they can't to do certain do not because really only want to attack to the people. Inclusive, when

they're talking of a level 3, it's taken in consideration that the person now, yeah no, you have a control

of their own body, and is someone that needs to eat, and it's the first that you can

beas, you mentioned a little important that's a time. The person that are in the

level 3 are people that are a kind of a kind of a kind of where well,

here you know, there's about this ideology and this creencia yeah they're

about or entities of very very a vibration demonios and entities that they

can that that person or a this man for that he has that power of transmutar

his own car. So, are people that have this side demoniaco, for so that's for so that, as you mention as,

there are moments where the conscience human has nobla, and simply act a beastia, an animal,

a person that even living with with his own family can destroy to his own family

under this power. It's about that the gawals that have this ability, that in their moment have been been abitado places,

they're isling or are people who are in the cities and over all of their family. Because they

know the risk that they're in case of that something can destroy to their own

their own his own children, to his own parents. It's something impressive

And also I can have to an piece in what type of rituals they use

no we don't we don't we have a because not is something

but I'm to my point to my to use substances

that provoked a certain and a person and a person

under the substance not is conscientious of what does and that can provide

a effect bestiality in the person, trying to find an explication to that's a

type of comportments, but it's here a question more than of faith. Exactly. Now,

with this that I'm going to give to do initial to the first story that us

that's a person. There are two forms in those that one can get to get a

don or these don't, talking of grad one, two, and three. The number one

you know, as well as you know, like it's like you know, a manse with the magic in the blood, no, herence of fathers and

abelos. No, is that a person normal, not it's not, he can get to get to get to

but the part two, but they need you know the favor of an entity

to be a to get to that and this and this more or this story

that's the question the question of the abuela. This story

me made very impact because I think I think we know

that we know a person that has a person that has a

moment where has to be to it's like a

heren but magic there there a person a man

a young that that unfortunately his abuel pater

a woman that He lived many years, and when I go much, I'm about of 100 years, and that lived alone in a people, fallece. That person, this, this chico, well, he knew to his abuela and lived with her

the first years of his life. He me says that his abuela was a little strange. Not was like the typical abuelita that all, in some moment, or the majority he had a woman very serious, very strict.

He had a voice a little like a guardientosa, no see, for those who are

Mexicans as a but that had a humor very very very

explosive mention that he he lived near the the

public where he was that this senior falle and he

he's got with many things of his pertenance.

Some moules that were very very that even he mentioned that were that they

were to the basura and cositas. But what something is that something is that

in the quarter of her there was a room. That that was

not the great and even was very very. He had a marco

of the marco but it was a very big was a very dark and the

water had much grietas but in the part superior, the space had

like a drawing like a runa, a symbol. It's a thing that's something, he

did a little to get a little to get in the room aspego principal. I'm going to do a

make the marcos and there will be to be this space. Passed the days

and all very normal no, no, there was nothing extrano but

one night something something He mentions that it is when, no see if they've seen how, sometimes the gats or animals that have like garretas, how pass their unas in the madera

and make like a noise very strange. That's all the dispirta. When he opens, he does a count that, that's the circle, in the mark of madera, there were like some little lights Luses

Verdes He he thought that were like Lusiernagas

these bichitos that bring this light but were

they were they were they were so he called much the attention so

he he and he saw that there many in the contorn

in in the mark of the space and he

he and when look the mirror he his reflection

but But, he mentioned that while he said he was seeing his picture,

while he was he was going to him like the space, like his reflect,

it was like the humor, like he was getting of humor and like the camera,

the quadros, like that all that was so that he was he was

to be back to see what he was going to where he was going to be

his camera, be all, and he would to be to see to see

to be, to be the reflect only he was he and he

looking and he felt a scalofry decided to make the world and

and probably the fall of the painstion were they were

affecting his mind so he said he I'm going to do and he

he's he's his life normal and the days the days

were very very and he had some like the he had a better

friend Javier Javi and in a platic he said to tell you have to

do a night where I did this and he he was he was he was

he was he was he said oh yeah bro what on what you don't

what you don't what you took or something what is what's

what's what's what's And he said, no, you know, you know, you know, so, so, so, so, he molest, our protagonist,

because his his best friend no he was trying. SIGO'clock the days, and Javi not was a his best friend,

very rare, very retragied, with an ojeras very markedas, like, no dormia, very disalignated, as they said,

despeinado, even, even, very absent. They had some some days they'd

be able to do you and he not even he was he's not of his family

and of his family, and in some a moment that they they're they put

to talk and Javie to make the initiative to make a question oh yeah you

do you do you do you're many days that you're

that's very rare no I don't see. If you have a problem, platica-lo. That person, says,

you know, don't you don't know I've been not been but I'm going to be good.

Passed the time and this person disappeared. Even Javier he could find out, he asked

for him, no, he no came to get to get to put in some places

of the people, no when Javier decide, then to look to look at

his house he started to talk the door nobody started to get to the house

and get to the window of your room when he comes to see

to see his good friend in the piece and see the

space roto in that in this moment he enter

to the house force at the the entry the enter

how can rastra his good and he's to pay

help with the people and get to get a person and he has

an alborot and between some people cargian to

and they're they they're to get a center and they

put suero he was very desidratated he had

had in the body in the man and I know

what was that was so then in that

when this chick recuperate the conscience when he gets he says some

words to his friend to his and I'm to hear he says my imagination

this night this night I did the worst in the picture and

he's when he he he said at the first I

only I'm um but but a little this

space me to make to show to my abuela, but

not she. It was like changed. Of a repent, like his car,

like, it's disfigurable and like the hands were and their eyes

were all completely negros. His brasos like that were and

his torso like also like that too and his pyrn's acortable a little.

Like that I was taking form like of a perro or like of an animal quadrupedo.

Of the moment I saw how his skin started to put grisacea

and he was to see you in the back, in the back, in the back,

and me I was, like me in the reflex and there

moments where I was that I had that had to start with

the four extremities and I saw, as she devoured a perr. I saw with his hands,

how agarra this animal and it he was to get to mordidas and I saw how

he came a gillinas and I began to be a and I started because I

thought that it was a but I still seeing being that in the

space and and at a moment all came you now was

my abuela now was I I said, I'm I was trying to be in the spejo

and was exactly like my abuela. My extremities were changed were

changed, my eyes were black and me see and I saw that all the

light in the space me I'm and I came to a house

that I know a corral and I made a

lot of animals and and I I found a perro, I also, and me I began to eat.

When I was having that, and in the spejo in the reflex, in the reflex, I sent that the heart me to starter. And when I could move me, the first what I did was, to tear the gulfed and romper the spejo, for that I had had been marked as in his hand,

and he felled-smallied. Javi, heard all in silence. No, he said nothing. The doctor he said that he had had been

an episode of stress and a possible blotte psychotic but this person

insisted that what he had seen in the mirror was real Javi he said no you

preoccupies probably probably happened a lot much stress you go to

you're to get to your house Javi he he's he said

I'm going to get to the disstst the The spejo was rot to

for my friend he gets when Javier he entered for the

door in the house and when he's going to enter to

the house in the patio in the he a cada

of a per that he had in the part of

the when he he's he he's he he

said what this he he is the person

that we do this story and he he said I decided

to that my man he did he cost it to try to

convince him to what he was a past but

I know that was something more more more real

more more profound because the few times that

I I know his abuela was she was known in the

people like the Naguala of there and I am sure

that I'm to that I don to my best to

my when I really I really I'm a story

really and practically we know we know that

you think in your Crencies or in your experience that this could

succeed that's we're let's the ability or the power of a

gawal not necessarily has to be a herensia because it's a kind of

a species of energy that can appear to appear to not necessarily be

a a herence family although obviously in cases like

this but if it says about a certain that's How would it be that form

to pass that don? I've heard that the person that have seen some of the don of the magic, the brujer,

before they're like they transfer in these spirits to children, a nietos and even to sobrinus if no

there's like a connection direct sanguina and the sensation that these people when they're

when they these dones or spiritus is impressive. You, of that has heard?

There's a phenomenon called the tonah that refers to a certain of some

people with an animal guide, with an animal that comes and it will depend

much to, this is a this is a creency in the

people, that when a child there there is an animal that the

first animal that the first that's where is the child they're

saying, ah, is that is your tona or their animal guardian. And it

can be from a laratica could be an animal salvage, a cone and there

there's a connection with those animals that even when they say a person

is not they don't find an explanation and apparently everything all

is that his tona is that he's that I've heard And, you know, that's like a, for so say it's a, it's a creency that has

people, that even, even, they say, that if Tonna moire, you also, you're going to fallece. It's like if were in the other part, no? Ah, it's like a complemento of his own, for so much, to say. Like a horrochrux. Crosse, quasi,

something. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm trying other that I've got a Compartee an friend He he

He he He was He made a medical veterinarian Sotechnista and

he He's well I don't see there still there's

where you know an kind of an kind of and he for his

formation that he could enter in a rastro and apparently

when he came all all the people there apart that

he managed very very the English they were very

and what he refers is that during the first month you're the novice you're the job at the

other than less less affortunated in a rastro and what he he said

in this rastro the product principal that was the the poorco

what he he commented is that one once a year he was a

case a I mean I refer to that there people that were

there talking into the the installations and he always he always saw that

there was someone that was a little around and he he had a he was

a little kind of that custom of that he he took about about

four months in that he he had he and the first

they were you're the new you have experience you you talk

to do a guardia but don't you care you're

going to do you talk with other person and he mentioned that he

was a man a man he he's he says in

guardies and so a kind of a way to

the but he he not I don't understand because because

if it was a problem of if someone was

obviously there were people there to what he mentioned is that when

he took his first guardia he did a sack and he he didn't because he

had been a kind of a piece of a sack or and when he he he'll

he'll he's he's he's he's he's he's he's

and the he he he he's he miral because I so I'm

just the the next times you're you're all. And what they were

that they went to the rastro, they were they were going to sal.

They were going to salt, salt, sal, and he didn't because

he said this so. Passed the time and took almost

the six months in this time. And he he was to talk guardia

but this time he took with another new. At the moment

to make basically this ritual that he did he

he He left to the new but the new I don't understand why and he said

he said this this not much it's a piece it's

that between the part of to do not to let's

let's let's let's start preparing all the and they

were a night the night and and between

platic and they started to hear that the birds

began to make they're like somebody they're acercaron and

and they were the places where they were the most small and the and the cerds

that are they're they're and they took to where they were the but only

they were the they're just how they're how they're they're the point he said the

great he he went and he the grito of his friend to all those that

they were he started and he only he only said and in

words textuales, I see an animal, a type, a perro, a type of galgo of that race, for that you understand, to get them to

color, how he was in those two patas, in those two patas, and with the other two

patas, he'd and he went to and he he didn't he simply thought that

was a person but the complexion that was of a perro, so, but grand,

a galgo. And what he says is that when obviously, yeah, there are the other people, then they tried to fire him, but apparently not he, no, he gave any, and that creature went to see the obscurity. And yeah, what he explained

after after, is that in that place, it was known because there were the famous, Cambia Pieless or Skin Walkers. And they were those that one once at a mess, they'd rather than to robes, well, a perco or

or something. And that ritual that they were to be able to get to

they're not they're like to get a like a protection and I'm quite sure

that the people of the family extraanormal have heard that one that one

one is to make a circle of sal apparently they're they're

not they can they're not that they some kind of impede

that abandoning if you encirras a something you think is a Nagual

and you're in a circle of salt apparently the thing

is that is that can not can get to it's

it's like a thing I think I think

that I'm effectively that you have said are

things are things and to really know and

really know a Nagal or a skyl Volcker.

Fiatty that there many people that especially those who live in

communities mentioned that they are doing to today to these

to you think that are that existial in some

they're to existier. I think that I think that all

the advanced that there in the technology this type of entities

are they're maintaining and maybe not they don't find

in zones urbanas because we're they're because they can't

to protect and we have been about the levels and we know the levels

basic the one and two are in communities very different very

different very these traditions orals I mean there there

there there there there there there there people

that have there don't know I'm I think

that a gual has like a incommienda has a reason if you do not

you do not a while or if your intentions not are not as and he is working

as a guardian not does but if you you have other type of intentions

you can you can destroy this about the story that I want

to tell. Fiatte that one of the people or a type of people who have lived

experiences that incredible are those people that are in the military. Our

military the soldiers. What they are they are incredible. It's impressive

and especially a little pretty pretty because these people

don't express much many Because they can get to be castigados or sanctioned. For mention that type of situations. You want to tell a story that I'd try I'm prepared,

but that today in the morning I was reading because he went to the and the title, I think, has much to be with what we're talking. He passed to a person. We're going to put a name, Ephraim.

Ephraim He also lived or vivia very close of the Sierra of Guerrero.

He mentioned that before years he attempted of many many times and for

much time to get to the military but that he was very complicated

until he he he he he he entus

he entusiasmado well initially initially at the first

he saw that the things not were much violence,

there were very aggressive his colonel or his commandant or his

commandantor was a whole, it was a good element and there there were

moments where they were on missions so all because the area

many many in some states is occupied for to

spend some embridios of substances illicit and there And there was a moment where

a he and a group of people those are a mission, to a a plowado

very, very away and rural of the Sierra of Guerrero. For him was a

mission normal. Normalito. But one of his friends, a person with the

that he had established amistat that was there in that quartel, when

they said in the place, it was like very spantado, like very palid, like he gave a

little bit of fear. And when they were in the night, in the madrugada, he said

that this man he he took the armro, he says, man, bro, if something me

pass, for favor, tell to my mother and to my mother, to my

wife, that I am and to my Well, he's He's He's He says

Well, you, what tonteries me you're a mission normal like

all. And this person and he says, no. No is a

place where we're not a a, a, a, a, a

person, the people that go there, no sule regress even,

and if with suerte, regressan. Well, that's obviously impact

to this person who yeah was a little temeros and just when

they were at point to get used in various soldiers and this

person very doodos and they say ohian that there there see that

there people that they're and these people and

they're that's when you you're you a foot and

another in this life And there were many things that they were

saying and he obviously he was a stress and preoccupied when they when they're

in the people that's not I'm the name but for respect to the

I don't to say to come to come water in a little in a

town in a little in a night went to they're

to get to some some were to some

to work and when they're in this poblad there was a woman that

she was sitting a sonata in a bank in the car he had a

place of wipil very regional his his his hair

and was very can't two trensas had had warachitos

that are like sandalias and was sat Sola

And this soldier when I read He entered the curiosity to ask how were where are

where many people had been because many people were and he says Disculpe the hour

Doña us we're going a mission to this place what we can

say to be to be ready and prepared for whatever

he he's making a person of the maja

or something so. And this senior he said something that he's he said

he's, if you go, with you go to go and you going to go back.

Someone of your team could that he doesn't when he he's

he spanta and he does the way and he's he's and he

he's he's he's more time were more nervous they

were preoccupied when when they're a two kilometers

they're and they they're and they're they're doing the he

mentioned that they're many time and there there

were a separate like for groups and he said

that when they're coming his good he he said

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that he's raising the Santo Rosario and he says, friend you're well what he and he

only he he only he or come me repite the rosario with me

and do really they're very well they're they're they're

going very sigilos very very tranquill describe that

it was a camp of a crop of tree

very great and that receive the order of roadier

some that were in the area and others that are in the he and

his friend entered for the and they're going to the radio in the frequency

for if anything they were in communication they started to come to come in there

had much a other if you and you and you did you

there was there there there there there there

there there's And they're to hear to the part of his feet,

of his pisadas, that someone atras was also and he he said

to his friend, shh, no ha noise. And when they're they're

they're they're how long something something something of they were

every more, and they're He heard his pizadas and he said he

prepare you. He put in the arm for anything, he back the sound

to his radios and they're and they see how on one

to another pass what he describes as a great lobo brinko

but a velocity impression when when they when they're

in that the The friend, He said, And he said, And he said, What do you

PAS? You have the arm? No, back's the guardia. And he he he says, You're

to get to this he can with balas. So, he can't other form. For favor,

protect, and repeat the I. Yeah, it's what you what you? What was? I saw.

We can attack and he he says no is an animal. When you can, and if you can bolt to see, he'll to be the

rostro, look at his eyes not are of animal. They're coming very sigillos

and they're to hear like, like when there's a perro that's

like sedient in very very and they started to come

and when they are more and they're they're of the

spaldas. The spal was like a man, it was like a

spina dorsal human, like a man like encorvated but

when they were the animal like the he was to feel

and he does know that the rostro is of an animal

but when you know he both those got

super impacted super impob immobiles No one Pued Agararar

And actioned Those two They're In shock When he And he He says That this

Animal So And when It's And when it He gets To olfate But

Orphate But But a But a But a moment Where it He's

He's He He's I I'm The Alient Sentia

That vapor calient that's out of his, of his body, of his

mouth, and the only he was to keep and the one moment to other

he went to the mountain, to the embradios, and he said how

he went coming. They're paralyzed after that they're like paralyzed

after that's his other people saying, oh, we're we're

we're talking for radio what what passed, the venous and all

tendlorosos like just out of a little fear, he's he asked his

his best man he was what we did he he said to what he said

to the probably he probably he could have had to be but

unfortunately no passed no you don't do you

don't do prepareate and that he he He also a person

that had in the Nivele 3 of the transmutation of material. They were with an awel. That's in the Sierra de Guerrero.

The truth is an history impressive and I'm sure that many of your followers those

have you at the side of his asient. The militares have lived

many things impressive in some days probably in some days, probably

a visit very special of a person that has lived things impressive

people. Now that you talk the thing of the

military I I've mention that this thing of

the Navel we have talked with until and

I have about a friend of actually in the

first I was in the first he did he did

the favor to contact with a person with

the Tomando to the that's a lot of maybe some day can't

be able to lastime that he's not he prefer to avoid his name

my my friend me this person has many

various experiences and those who have some know those who

have some who have some family that pertenes to

the I'm not they they're they're they're their groups

of WhatsApp exclusively where of them and they're in information

and what we've been in the news is a thing but what really so it's

with the exercity Mexican is another very different to the that's in the

news. Those who have families who are the reason. Well,

this person acudimus to where he labora and we gave a

space of a little space in his agenda and the

anecdotes that he me told to the really, Paco,

for me, the level of detail with the story, the situations that's the situation that

experimented from the time, are incredible. And as we're talking about

the thing of Navales, me shared your experience that I

going to share with the family of extra normal. And for

those who were the episode of not is normal. So very

where where was my participation. I I don't let me a particular

that that's a little and then you're going to understand why.

Because a past to I'm this this relato not have much time that they

did it and they want to connect a way with a movie but it's

a documental in Netflix. It's practically the goal and it's a documental that I recommend I recommend

that you know the children are we're sure that never I've never had

heard until this day that you you know you don't I've

put in a little a little a little a little a piece is

that the the way in how they're is I don't I don't

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is that you know because there they're going to understand what

What happens when, when, both the physical and the unes in the good or to realize

a good to the person? Okay. That impressive. This story that

me compart this person happened happened for more of 30 years when

he still was a soldier rasso. Recordem that there certain

levels in the And usually when they're their process of formation he commented that in that

then he made a piece of mission of supervivency where it was a little group of

soldier of cabo and then was a practically was practically was the leader of

the group usually they put the leader to give more experience the

that maybe had realized that this exercise of this exercise of supervivency

was realized in the Ceyland in Chiapas and apparently what he commented is that when is that exercise, the helicopter does he has in a certain place and they're

to advance with his equipment, that has a amount depending on the mission and including his arm and his mochila, almost of 20 to 30 kilos, that is

with the equipment and they have to get to a certain point where they leave the helicopter to the point of recogida,

or a community where they're he's connected. He recorda that were

seven elements and the was the designate that was going to be able

to be a radio where they could give the signal and practically it was

an exercise of supervency where they had to cross it was a distance considerable

practically the exercise was prepared for that was a one So, the trajectory

with all the equipment and all the peripesias that are in that cell. Okay. He comment

that was it was like his graduation, for so to say to get a little of a rango.

He comments that during the nights they were and risas Rises. Okay. And obviously

the that he had done the exercise the that was like the instructor the that was

supervising because he not had in no opinion. Only he was going to

care of so much but the group was the he took the decision he he commented

that he was common to hear in this type of places in the selfas

comment that in the fourth day they got a cause of a

real that for his bad was a time of

jubias and he had a growing that they

could not not there was there was there So, practically, no

there was a form to have a winch or realize a pente because, let us the militaries are specialists

in this type of activities. He said, he said, he said, they had to rode that cause to

even to, to find, a, a place where coulderan pass. Approximately were less

of a day, where they were able to find those sufficiently frondosos

and stable to be able to traverse that place. And, they're the route that they were to

go to the route yet established. Desafunately, yeah in the night of the fourth day,

they took so their restcanso and rondas and for to beigiland they're unfortunately

they're that night they were they're enojated they're most yeah molestos because

they've given to give a rodeo very great and what he responded is that you know

to get a well to cut a car obviously in the cellb no there's but

they're going to cut their way and they're to cut fruitas to realize

those necessities in in any whatever because they're they're

they're they they're he he comment that they're a point

where they're to a clear, where they're some those those

those trees of what are in that are in this place, and

they're to take fruit and they start to prepare.

But he he comment that when they they

did in a thing that his brucula not

was not was not was his only form

of manually that was his brucula had had been

the north. They advanced in a direction, and to the direction

that they were the point about the brusula. He, of the moment, no

I didn't because had had been his brus and all the brusula and all the

bluolas actually. The instructor obviously does the observation that maybe can

be in some type of formation magnetica that alteres his bruculas

some type of piece of imantada or the camp, where they can, we know, we can provoke that in the brucas,

a excess of a force magnetic. And what they're that they're trying to advance and they're going to another day completely. The brusolas

don't function, they're, they're going to start that the no is the that they're used, well, they're trying to

continue. And what does that the instructor is noj, is that there was one of them who had a, well, you know,

so, you know, so he's heardation, presented diarrhea, or so, he suffered of some of an

because record we need that this climate is caluroos, well, so coldroos umed.

And obviously, but, as per side of the food that they've been they're agotandolas

because not were prepared for that were more days than what had to be okay.

The instructor intent to pay for radio when the element that was the element that was never could continue

coming. And obviously an element in the element infermo not is the same for this

type of situations. Sure, 100%. Desafortunately his radio no had no signal.

Intentar but apparently the radio not percied and could envirous and what

did you're they're that they're doing with the people that people that perhaps

know that they're In fact that the vegetation, there are places that are so high, so extensive that's not not get to the

light. It's difficult to be able to the position of the sun. So, are not very dark.

Exactly. And, and for not long much, they're coming on almost

eight days. Yeah, no, there was provisions. Okay. Yeah, no,

any, a form of getting water potable, all, all their reserves, yeah

had been have been and they had almost two days

that not they're coming to come to the person that

someone had to get to get to and another person had to

get to get to all the team that had in a

situation disfavorable the instructor yeah was he was enoched

with because they had been they were their because they were

a route that they've yeah getting to the 9th day

the we're like the explorer that's the he's the he's like a person

and he's a sign and they're a certain place in a direction and the

explorer and is that I'm there's a person and me signaled to

a certain and they're to come to come and I want to

you know that these people just people had almost two days that

not they were not they were. So, if they were, well, so they're situations of supervivency

where they have to ingearsely living of plantas trying to try to and the

idea of they were to find the river for the where they've been and try to

their cause but no, no, no, no, no, no,

they were like, it was like, it was a proper Camin' all the day until the atartheir and they're in a species of community.

In that community were approximately 30 people. And when they're, they're to those persons, because it's civilizations, someone who can't help. But apparently, the people

or not were in Spanish or not wanted to talk with them. Because, obviously, are military and get in a community in the middle of the selva. Obviously, there's there's a disconfianza

to the forces military. And there is when, the instructor is when, uh, try to talk, to talk to talk about,

and it's a person that was a Spanish. So, they're present. So we're soldiers of the exorcuit,

we're not we're going to we're in a mission. We're practically in, in problems. Because we have a element

and it requires attention, require help, uh, we're trying to buy an element, we're trying to buy them

food, but in this population, no mannageable the money. Unicamely they were the troika for,

let us products that they used they were when they were the community more was what

they were what they were, they were and they said that for us that for us that your paper

no, no serve. And what they did these elements was that they started to leave

his navas, his encendedores So, things that They could be Utiless And these

And these people What they did Was that Accepted So, and They're Those are And I

Referring to I'm refer to Aliment Here, And then They're They're Anextamal

For people That's They're of Axtamal Because is An element Mxtamal Is a

Mekstamal, is a element very common In the Gastronomian Mexican To realize Divers

Diversos Platios And They used a cal extraida of the conches

of the rios and there was practically their food some

some legum or fruit and things that they could put

permission to the community to to be 24 hours to

try to the element that he he and

reabastes of provisions obviously in these communities is

very common that there a person major that is the

leader and this person obviously when they're to get to the

community they're they're for favor they're outside of the

community that they're going to with the leader with the person

that is a person is a person is a 80, 90

years he he's he does the permission to

that community and when go to see them,

platica with them, he's and he asked and apparently

only gave the permission and he made he's after this

little conversation that they took with the they're they're

going to be 24 hours they're going to reabaster they're going to

get information to put to continue to where is the

same people and they're going to continue but the

leader of that tribe, for so say to say it's that they're going to

know they're that the guardians are inojated with them and they're going to they're going to

let's obviously as you're accustomed to that this type are this type of

commentaries are creences of the people you have you have a

mentality rigid and you need to do to

to get to the element so with the desidratation and

all the evacuations what they did was reponel liquids when the element yeah was a little more recuperated decided

to continue and they were the night in the community and in the morning at first hour and they were

equipped with the element that they had done with with a little of water

and continued the march uh they were caminando, caminando almost

12 hours. Wow. And what this person me says is that he sentia, well,

all they were doing, that they were doing, because even somebody had had been

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It's time to own it. Shop now at IKEA.ca.ca. And they're just now desperated because they'd, they're coming, caminous, and the cellva, the only that the way that they're themselves advanced and they'd back in the same place. For more than trying to guillars

with the light of the sun, for more that they're guillers with some other type, well, yeah, like, of formations

or things, always they're going to the same place, they're on the same and they're

desperated, and they was getting over the night, when, the point, at the

long, they've been a lot, and, and, and, and, and when

they're, they're done that's one of the children of that tribe, okay,

and he he says that they're to have to come and then they're disperated,

they did know that they're going to and what they're going to they're in

they're doing a lot they're going to the community and there's that they're that they're why

they're they're so they didn't even they're that they were that they were

with the leader and he he said he had to they're other two

nights to to be a little a woman and he'll and he

he'll ask to give permission and that they're they'll

let's start and the soldiers, then practically rendered

preferrified to accept this option because they'd more options. Yes.

It was more time to be in a only place that

that could be identified for the army because they've

had passed more than three four days of what

they should have done and probably they would

be being on a group and buskid and

permanence in a place where they can make a fagata and that that's

maybe to call the attention then it's here. Here is

where this person comment that the leader in the night

of the night and it's in the chas and they're

to know that there there there there are there

they're to observe the panorama that occur during

those type of rituals. Yeah. Something that mention are the quem

of copal. A type of incinso that could provoke or stimulate those status

altered of consciousness. That in that cosmography. Okay. And what they're is that

they're going how the people start to try or a abet and they're to start

to the outside of the And the And the members here of the Pelotone

notice that before to occulted the sort he gets to a hawar and he

and he and he and he and then obviously all you obviously all because

it's a hawar no is something that not is whatever not is

and she the people they're just just a offrend for to come

to listen the leader what he does is that is that in the chos. Pasa all the

night there until the first hours of the madugada when yeah comes to

get the sun and he talks with the instructor and he says I have

I've paid permission so yeah what he what this person

comment is that this leader was a gawal okay because

what he he refers is that he took control of the jaguar that he

had been and for the jahua he could entablar a

conversation with the guardians of the natural level two

practically and he he he said and here he is where he

connected much with this with this documental because he He says,

Caminen in this direction. No, separing in that same direction, until

that they're a baby of color rojo and and see that abe. Wow. That's

a baby will be to guide. And, well, the soldiers extranated, no?

Yeah, with provisions, preparing to, they're to come in the direction until

one of the soldiers signala the abe in the cup

of a top of a tree. So, they're that abe, that

that's a baby, that's like if those could be, he starts to be the

and he they're going and they are going and they're and so. And it's and so

two hours that are that they have seen an cruce, a, a,

a way, a, you know, a way, he's made, you know, and then

they're they're they're to get to a community that she was in the map where they're,

the map that was the map that was going to. And when they're obviously there are personnel of the military

that's that they're they're reporting by radio of that they have found the group. And it's

something that the fact not can't explain. If it's rare, 100 rarro.

And to what he obviously is the report, obviously all everybody they're

they're is that is that that's that they could not get from the

of the cellva they're they're they're they're they're and literally

a chaman had to have to do that process for to pay permission

and that they let us let you get to the logic of the

world when we understand that every has their

own and the person or the person or the better Dichael,

that's cuting, senotes, mountains, manantial, bosques, there are guardians that

are in this. I want to a story that I really and I

surprised and me really that's called Isidro. I'll give some

context of who is Isidro and because is the protagonist of that

story. I'm to start this story telling who is

Martha and Claudia. She's two great amigas that since that were new guys

were inseparable. They were in a little little in a little in a little and constantly

they were all they were to get a time, even after much they went to the school

at the was a very beautiful and both and both they were

in a little the two live in this people had

been and Claudia for said the Luna, that was labrador. The truth is that it was

her fascination, her perrita, and, and, and, over all, because he had had done cachorros. He had cruised with a little labrador, and he gave five

hermosos. So, constantly Marta and Claudia, she had talked about, but there something that

Martha not he got to much, but for respect to her friend, not so it said. Claudia

had a his abuelo. that even for the age that they had two-day-a-vuey-a-vueyro. His-a-lawedro. Isidro was a man that lived in the part altar of the people.

Vivia solo. Very few times I'd go to the people to see a little bit. And when she was, it was a very little time with her, but a past of that,

her nietta he had much, he was very. Well, Marta sentia fear of the abuel because he said

that was a man very strange. He was not about. It was very high. He had

one of the two little many long, but in special his mirada. His mirada was

like a so when she was when she kept looking, I don't see,

like he could be something there could be a so every that his abuel

he said I don't I would to see a my friend because the really

I'm really I'm a really a respect. Well, she was she was

happy with her but the it's not durer always. A par

she's she's a victim of a ball of young and respectuos

we're to call it some some people those people, some muchachos that

constantly they went and they they went and they evented in water,

he had a lot of things, even it's even a lot of

everything. So, Martha yeah was to talk about with them,

to talk with his mothers and say, oh, yeah, please

in my house, I don't say, I don't say, but

as I lived a only, they've been a little to do do you

know, to amylal to start the but she not

he was a attention. He said they're going to of the people or or something

to those people and she was going to her life. Passed the days and a day in the morning

Marta out of the patio to see a and see a count that no there was

nothing that no her or not his caturritos and she and she

and she and he starts and no had nothing she she said these kids of the

chingada me They're jodying the life at the time in this moment

preoccupated he mark a friend Claudia, he's a really really is

that I don't want to these people every they're and the

really is that I'm really they're they're they're they're to get

to his a car and how see see

look no you don't you I'm to say

the I'm to my And, well, Marta, when he said, what will be his abel? A man, yeah very

great, that he doesn't even he said. But no, he said nothing, she kept in calliated. Colgaring and passed

the days. One morning, Marta was in front of her house barriending, and when he had a

count, it was a young, in special, the most the most

he was the mother. And in his arms, they were to the

chachorros and to the perra that they had robbed. So, they were

they were to they were when they were when they they the

that was the mom of the woman. He said Marta,

no I want to have problems with you. For favor, pardon my son,

I know you have you've you've got, you've disulpa my man, excuse me,

the young with the look at down. And in no moment and in no moment

he he went to and she and she saying, look, pardon, we're

we're trying to come to come and they're intact, not going to be a but for

favor, for favor, for favor, you just, those, those, those

those days days nocturnas, those torments, those nights, for favor, yeah. And Marta's just like, like, why not? What's what? What you're saying? But, well, no, he said nothing. He was going to be very repented, and okay.

Passed the time, and he's accorded to her friend, and he marked a Claudia, and content, he said, Amiga, what you think? Fidate, what happened? This, and the nada, and this and the other, and he told

all, and Claudia, in silence, he threw a a carcashada, and he said, pinche, yeah, good, that now, so, they're, what is good.

And Marta's a bit, wait, you did something? No, I don't I, no, I'm my abuel Chilo.

How? He did. And she not, and, let me, explain me, what did your abuel? With her, no, I know.

Those amazes. Those amazes, or something. And there you go. I'm going to read what exactly he said, Claudia. My abuel is a person special. It's very spiritual, a little unusual.

We're not that. We're not. But when it's a person that attack a family or someone incercano to us

especially to someone that we're he actually he actua for

defenders well a sometimes change a human a

be a see what you're saying what what you

mean you say she and she and only

Claudia he says maybe no you don't talk

let let my my abuel chlo has his

justice. Those idiotas no will be to let's you know

I'm sure. She she kept calied. Marta heard all.

I mean had many doubts in that moment I didn't know

not where incline those questions but before that

I'm the question Claudia he changed the time

and diso the conversation she she in that the

people it was about much of a hawar but

very peculiar that of a mountain and like he attacked

to certain people to certain people that had robbed

to that they had made that had been made

that in that in this moment Marta intended that

that that for si me caused much fear.

It was very rare. A past of that he not

me I'm not I'm to him, his mirate

was very strange and and with the past of the years

he he did because this man was only

sub the mountain a a past that his

mother was in the person was an Nahu. And he

aparted because he had to care of his own and from his own and from his

his own his act to make a question because at the final of the question the justice in

he was relative because he attacked to who he thought that he had

to do to his family Marta she mud to get to

live to of Mexico, and is when he knows the podcast. This, she lived, this history, she lived,

it's just about 18 years. And never ever will forget that that this man,

that a sometimes me gave to say, a little a little kind of,

like, I had eyes of a gato, like a way, like a mirror of an

little, and a Sometimes, like human, so, like, it was changing.

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We're talking of a level three. Nive three, you crez or level two? Well, yeah, for that infunded that and to separate to your own family,

of the damage that could you provide? That, specifically, that. I, I'd say, to a level

3. I fiat that in the moment I think in the two, but you

much reason. He's aparted. He's he went and I'm

and I understand because wow. What that is that story? I'm

really. So, are stories that a people like to share

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I'll teller a little story that you say I don't

I don't I try I I'm I I'm to

give to the authorization so rapid to tell this

occurs in the state of Oax, in the region of the Mixteca in if never

we're never the number of the communities is to not give us a lot of that's

just I'm a community in the Mixteca that has a point a

very long. Jammes what Juan Juan is we're in the capital he knows a

little to a child they're they're to get to get to get a

child at the two He'd get embarrassed of his first his first

son a boy. And, obviously the kid is a community

to know to the family, he's he's he's he he's

he said the the little time that per premonition in the

community that were three, four days he he always

he always he was he sentia inco no no a

to that, well all the all the people and his family

now, he's he in the night always he had a lot of

him. Okay. He recalls that when his husband was in

the fifth month of so obviously they're in a

house to get a house of their family they're together and then

obviously one embarrassed and then he's always more than

is an incommodied because he like his sposo was belab the

son of his wife he he remember that in one night were

approximately the two at the night all all in the

house and he he he he so but

simply he kept looking face to his face

to he he he he he he he

he a look a he saw the ventana, a

perro black pared in his patas traceras and he, and he, the first

he was the first he was that he he made, he said, and he said, and he

was going to his husband. Okay. He's he's he's not something that

was something that was I know what I'm thinking that he and then he knows a family

know what are the mascots that have and they're not

they're no a little he and he thinks

we're we're we're talking about that the window not is relatively

the time where a person a great if

could be he he he he he's he

he starts he he he has the first he has but the person

no He continued agroending. Yeah, until he took a palo, he opens the window of and he

wants to go and the person, the person, he's going to get a very strange

for a animal. Pass the time, continue, regress to the work,

they're going to when her when her wife and is in the seventh

month of the time, and during the night's will be to occur

the same. That per in the venting his spous

to do that obviously yeah he generates a incoodidate and he he said

he he said that during the night there is a car in the window

and observe my my spouse to see my and the son

his said when you see when you know because the

first the first we we're we're we're we're occurring

that and he says and it's all the nights and the three

four nights that we're to visit those that that's in the

window obviously the he says we're going to do this we're

going to make the night we're going to put in guardia

for that because that is good and what what what

is that around the property they they're they're they're

to But they're the part the part tracera with salt and they are there

a guynero effectively done at the and they're how they're and it's and it's par in the

window what he does the when the perro when the person he starts

to regar salt around of him he he he he he's like in a

circle and the The perro, well, obviously, is quiet. The

sir he's a rifle and no he's right to him. Disparate

to a side of where is. But the per rome. Any other animal

at hearing, a time that's that would be the could be?

Sure, 100. But the per cent. But the per manse another fire

much more closer to him and the perro trough try, well,

you know to get to get, but it's like a person, it's like

to be able to make a place. Mm. So, so he's his rifle, disparate

other way, but now now it impact the animal in the loom. Okay. And the

perro starts to give this quehido when we saw a one of a little.

Sure. So, he gets the the person, and he can understand how is that

the perro no can say the circle of salt. There is when his sueger

starts to talk with the animal and he starts to start and he begins to

amazar that if he will this this this this is not to

be to try and he will be a person not can understand

that the per that the person being being animal and

and there is when his father he is a gawal and

is a bearer. Beastia. And we're talking of that that that he's just

of the night at the 4. 4.5 of the morning, didn't of the circle. No,

could be able to not get. And the Lord was gritty and grite, and they all,

her spouse, his his wife, his other cunyados, they were and they were there,

temblando, yeah, had per'd I've Peridded Sanger The Sir

simply continued amazandol that never to never to get to get

and the poor perro not he did yeah when when

they start the first the sun the sir

he does his last you go you you

you you going to get to the and

with the the foot move the the the and the

perro and the carrie, and gore and gore to the mountain to be

and to get to and a part of there no he was not even

his his his son his but apparently the diabler

that for rituals I imagine possibly possibly no we know

we know we know normally this type of people like for the

for the people can imagine Offrenda, no I see. Oh, and what

story that's about you? What's to start the episode? Wow, wow,

I, me, I, I, I, I, the person with the

is that, well, the people, no, but when he said to the

doc, we said, I said, there's a story, but I need to do a

question, to a person, to a, a, a, a ex-companero

of the faculty? That was the person that lived this or or he was

or he was he was the the sposo in this this relato for that you asked

the authorization yes because yeah had been well yeah had commented that

that some years and obviously I when I'm going to I'm I'm

to give permission to a authorization of the person that

have those those people that me I've loved

that last last anecdote how you the past

it's the first that's the first time not the not the kind of a

atmosphere you also you did a yeah there was a

moment that I'm pretty we're doing we're we're we're we're

we're everything so much thanks thank you really much thanks

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