EXTRA ANORMAL - Historias Siniestras de Maldiciones Generacionales: La Oscura Herencia que Nos Acecha

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

En este inquietante episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, Paco Arias se une a Jaziel para explorar el mundo de las maldiciones generacionales. Descubre relatos llenos de misterio, donde se dice que el mal se transmite de una generación a otra y marca la vida de quienes lo padecen.🔹 Secretos oscuros y antiguas leyendas: Testimonios y relatos que han pasado de padres a hijos.🔹 Herencias malditas: Cómo una maldición familiar puede influir en el destino de generaciones enteras.🔹 Reflexiones y debates paranormales: Una mirada crítica a los orígenes y consecuencias de estas maldiciones.Si te intrigan los misterios y la influencia de lo sobrenatural en la historia familiar, este episodio es para ti.🔔 ¡Suscríbete y activa la campanita para más episodios de Extra Anormal Podcast!

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the next the baby have to have to do a little

and the woman when he goes and he said let's let's

let's let's let's let's let's let's you let's

you don't let's go out of I'm you're to hear a

question you'd want to get another another another another

person that Bransito with a voice that no of a little,

bolted and he and he says, no, or I'm too. She's

at point to do the light and this man and he he, he

he, he, he, and he said, he said, Trato paid.

What a lot of it. What I'm here. My name is Bakuariahs. My name is Bakuari. I'm happy to be here with all of you. all of you. In this occasion I'm content because me accompany a person special that has been

with us in other capitals and me does much good that stay with us the day of today. Jaciel, how is how is? What, how, how, Paco? Well, family. Good night. Good afternoon. Good good days. Well, good news. Well, content. List to to tell us these stories

that honestly me have comemovied. Fifgette that I want to mention something that we're going to talk about to talk about this night. Much people you know for

there the titles that are in the platforms the miniatura etc is a thing that

it's a thing that but it's impressive the quantity of stories that have with legados

malditos with malditions generational or so it's impressive what the

people abelos ex-abuel sat-a-a- abelos did and it's

being reflect in the generations actuales it is people who have

been with those those these last few these days that's the time of magic

and say there's there's that there's a example and with much respect to to know

to know to get the same she's like she she says well what I have

I'm probably probably I'm I'm trying I'm trying

and when he's a recapitulated of all what there there there

there there there there was there an abelite and that this

came to The actuality is for that you do you doves to continue or like to

continue with that legate. And there's with a deity there's the devil or there other deities

santo but all this came to that someone in the animal a person decided to

do a other the people I think in the the worst of the cases

because the cases that we're are really are really are really are so they

are the but the views are so many I think Cremem me that those I'm

I'm doing and I'm a certain mode, no, I know because in one of the

stories who come in a payer, well, so now so I'm so other generations.

I mean it was that he took to the person that in that's doing the pacto that's

doing the cochinada but no. Fiatate that it's curious because

normally the people, you you're you're you're you're you're

present in all the revocations that we have there are people

that says I've pacted with this of the and with me no

there's I'm so I'm so I don't mean and here we're

because the pay is like when you know you can receive what you

want you but you're to pay probably your descendence your

lineage your your hisnietto your son no so there

there a question very important that is important and if

me permits I want to start with a story that really

is the story of Sergio and Liliana I'm mention that is one of the

stories more that I've heard that have been with these

herensies malditas and the history that we're that is the

person that person that we're the person who I'm I've

mentioned that I want a word a name real

in this occasion we we're going to censor their name. Sergio and Lilianne were a matrimonio

young. They were very young, studied together when they're in the career, formalizan

this relation, they're and at a little time that are married and they're embarrassed

the great surprise is that as that as the second third month

more or they're they're that no came to one. Venial two babies.

A notice very impactant I go, it's very so that you're not, that's a little,

and it's that it comes to, and it was something and it's of these embarasos

that not are pesasas medically everything all was very well. The doctor

always repeated a phrase, two babies, sanos and all all are

in order. So all just all these two children. The family,

you know, Carriolas dobles, all the double. So, ropeita very similar for that

they're in the same way, and the family yeah was prepared for the

time to the time. Something very beautiful because the court was decorated

and they had the two cunas, all and get the moment

of the parto and they let in Liliana to to

this chirofano enter his his this I want

to make a mention. This has, if a case, six years that occurred.

It's recent. Entra his spouse and his wife and his wife starts to graber this moment

so emotiv. He's doing all, all, when they when they're when they're

when they're when they're where there's something something that's really that's

that's a first man, it was a cesari and they're when they

they're when they're and the grits and the emotion of Sergio,

to see a his he's a motion and is very, so emotive, he does

know that he gets to get a new, he's to get to and this,

when he goes to the look at the doctor was for

for for serrar the herida and they're they're

they're recogian the other things and he said,

Doctor, wait and my other of what you do you see my

other here here no there's doctor doctor they're two

were two were two children where is my other he has he got that the

medical the people all those they're they're they're they're

what they're talking what's where he's he's he's

he was to get to get to a car when her spouse is to get

to recuperate conciency that is out of the anesthesia is a matter of this not so

how there's only one? But how if they were two? She she felt

that just the last few months the amount of her of her

pancita was that was the parted that she had much a lot

and all the time had the all those are those

It's all, is all there? How is possible that only is one? They're molestos and start an thing legal,

for so to say it. Because they're thinking the better, something that has been with the

traffic of the children. In that moment, the family is disgarraged, is very bad,

they're going to their house with a single little they, they're not what

do, but it was a very rare. When they they're to confront to the

hospital, that is a hospital private they're their studies, they're all, like all

the storyal of the embarazzo and fiat what's what's what's

the same or the hospital in all moment it was out that was all

those the documents that were all all was all

was one. And they the they said two and they they're not they

know they're passing, and they're to talk with and all of everyone will say, no, it's

that really really is that really is one. So, like the idea of two babies only was

only was in the mind of them, in the of the other of the other, in all of

all the only, there's one. And that doesn't have a explanation.

Yeah, like there there's a thing there's because the process legal

can't go back, the the institution, the hospital must in all moment

that only even the grabations of the ultrasonides most they're

a one a little feto is something very rare in his houses and

they were in the clothes they had all everything they were all

the she was she was all the time was all the time like

like abrasing what was the little the little

was she was with his but he started like

in depression no was happening. When they were like to continue

with the life, it was like this uncertainty of what is what is going to

what's happening. In one occasion Liliana was was

a baby that is the name of Nicholas is the

name real of this man and he says that she has the

right to the man he's thought that was his

his his his his arms, he was he was he

was in his room, and he same time, Sergio, well,

not was like, not assimilable the idea that only was only one. Mete

the video that he grabbed in the part to a program of edition of video

and he put to see to be quadro in what moment they could

have robbed the and what he discovered in serious that no

it's he's he's he was he was recording the moment

when they the first the the and he and he

he grab where they they they're to and

before the camera like the video is opac

like there there there there there and he

there He subes the decibelius sub the volume and he he's

a word a one one one only word that's maybe enredated

but he had much coherence to what said this this word said

entregated so so he no my mitches or he doesn't know

what he is obviously the video so there is there

there is a there there And he's like a metalical that he

in this moment not he he's not quite, but in the video it's

a real that that came from the same cell he said they're

like it was like the and he said I never I never I

didn't I I don't I'm what I'm what's what's

what's what's what there there there there was

and she put to make the other cuna the cuna

the cuna and there moments where this cuna was

so old that had like a capita of and there

was a not the hallucination that was like there was

like there was she was was perfectly they

they they they're they're they they're they're they're

they they're really if they're two children not one

and they're to talk this with the family and you one day they're top with a family

that he's talking to talk about the family of the family of Liliana and they say let's

come to talk we're going to talk we're and they're a surprise

very very terrible because they're they're to start the thing of

his and mention that no proceeded the demand all, because apart of the

time, well, the child, they'd have been things strange in their house,

the yanked of a little of the child, the manita markedas, was it

was an environment very rare. Incluso something that I'm omitient is that

the that's that's that's thinking, was Sergio and the quarter

that had destined for the two was a question, he was and the cuna

a vacilla was obviously he was messing at the grader that every

that was he messier and it was when they were

when they when this family result because is the question

you what you think so is that it's so it's like it's

like for us it's for all the world no so it's what we

don't understand the problems the the documents all,

what has in the hospital that's a little, I don't we're in what's

what's what's what's in the moment Benjamin he's called this

man Benjamin was a he was a matrimon he and his family

of Lilliana and he said what he said what what happened with your Tia

the Tia the Tia of Lillana is something that the family no knows

we we've made 20 years and we we're going to have

also but we we're going to have gemels it was exactly

the same we're we're we're we're like you're

like you when you you know we we're we

remember exactly the same and is when he's these

words and I want to hear directly the

correct this this not a error of the

hospital from many years someone in the family promised you something and that

is the thing is the first that was that was that was a change of the

money says your tia was he was going to have to two

nine and result that at the mere now only only

nace one says we we're we we that no

they're logic after after the part of and everything with what

they were they're doing they're they're doing to desperation because they were on the

contrary of them they were they were they were they were they were they were

they're born like he was trapped in a place like he's in a little

and only they were and they they were practically was practically was practically

it was clear. But you're I'm yoraba, yoraba, so they said

the problems, uh, but always we're to make to have

to have two nineas. In that moment, they're they're so,

that they confirmen, imagineate they're they're like the idea of that they're

one. Yeah they're not getting the thing of the time of two

and resulta that yeah, he said if you had a two nine,

but something was a part of a family your of your descendencia

to up to give to give to his primogenito every every that's

that's they're they're they're they're they're the house when

their house of his family of Lillian and Sergio was a little

a little time the time the months and they're listening the

getting listening how some some of some some of those

the they'd be on so, so, like, there activity

paranormal. So, for me was growing the little, Nicholas, is like

if the entity also were maturand you know, so that when Nicholas

had three, four years, you know not they'd but they'd

they're in the passiel of the while they were in the first

they, so, like always still there, but no

know they don't know explain in the Correo saying I've to assimilar to some

I've got a single baby but I mention that every every time I talk

the time again again again to start to hear in your house

that that there there other other new more

in the story of Lillian and Sergian Bess

yeah yeah yeah is frustante, da enojo, da a lot of a lot of rabia that for

because one doesn't come to pay the price. Yeah, and it's a classic, I mean, so much

people, you know know what you know what is your abel or your ex-avuel, no

we know, for that one of the practice in the magic, no, in general,

occupant if you want, the religion Christian Catholic, or simply occupating

your energy always is good, then, cortar those malditions

generational, always to terminals because if no you do it's, it's, you know,

with your kids, your not you know, and you know, and you know,

and you know, and you exactly. Ihole. Well, I think that I

talk. Look, to me me, me, it has much, it has much

similarity with what I going to go to want to that. That is a

Correo that I always I'm a general name to the stories. This

history the price of the Codice Okay. That is a call you

send us an email, well, a second we called anonymous. We put

names to identify them to identify us. And well, this is the history of Iran

and Berta. Iran and Berta were those young those tortolitos

that they are they're and like this connection and to decide if

if they were or they'd get them or they'd sound, me so it's so they're going to then so they're

this decision immodura for me and then they're up in the house they're obviously in what is

a rancho they're they're going with money they've been with nothing only they're just

they're to live to eat, to eat, and all of love. A classic. But they're, at the moment of that they're going,

they're to get to a little, and between the conversations of the people, of the

people, of the people, they're, they're a person who don't have a that's

that's going to work, to get a way to get a but they, but they're in their

moment, they said, they were they were, they were, at the last decided

and opted to go. When they're when they're when you

get to the house of this woman, it's that she does it does offer them

but we're going to do this. This woman was offered prosperity

this this this woman said that they're to have to be

to have to be the first if it was the first animalito that

out of that all every every final the they

And then, practically his 10th. Oh, no, man, this is... It's a primacy. A primacy, exactly. So, then they said,

well, we don't we have nothing. No, we need of another, more than to accept. They said, we're saying, we're practically

without, and, then, we're going to do that I, you know, he said, but this woman, in that moment, let's endrega, a vessel.

This waso I mean tallyed and he said this this the vessel

you're going to enterer when when they come in their terrain

they're to excavate and then they'll they're to deposit and they said well

well well pass the time let's it's to get to give

money and it's to get year and they're

feeling to they had with this senior had

to Becerrito, and they were and they were the end up the end of the end of the end of

their and they're to get them to get them where she had said that they had to

get it, a terrain desaloched for complete but that only they had to get

deposit it and not voltial to be to look at the eyes

to not. They've started they're they're they the glory

to the glory money rickesses. He's started to go very, very, very well. Pusioosos? Yes,

put them to doces to make to make sure to buy of the land. Caveses of

gano had many, much, much, much, and obviously, as the title it's called. The codice

those led to say or to ask us, why we're going to give us to this

woman? Ooh, he's started to learn. If you not we're doing

nothing, okay, I think with the time that we've been we're just

more than we've got more than we've been the necessity to return with her

so you do you do you do you do they're doing and they're you know

they're we're we're for a for a moment in this moment um

pass the years they're to have to have family they're they're

to get the and no pass absolutely nothing then they

said they Well, it was pure superstition. I mean, really no, no, there was nothing. So, this was merit of proper of us, for our dedication, et cetera.

But there's a moment in that all you have to cobrarse. And it was where most he solio. With the

third generation, with his niet. With those the first was Samuel of 19 years.

Samuel mentioned that in his recamara all the nights he started to see a woman that was postrava

in the feet of his his he was he was he was he got the

and the papas and it was something that it was all the day and every

days he had this problem his his papas decided get it with the

doctor he hegnostic with exquiso and they said this

this is a bad but a past of the medications and of all what he metian

Samuel said saying that that woman was he was visit

all those days then then she yeah she

she she she and she were rosters but they're rosters

disfigurated rosters that really not didn't have no didn't

the because she those those those did that

this this this little he, he, he, he's to do

his letters, at the way of the topes opting for quitels

but what you're so he said to do his own to start respando

and with his own his own his own his always, I'm going all these

these pictures, these faces, these rostros feos and well the same they'll

get to let them they're they're with the doctor Effectively,

the diagnostics, with exquis. It's something that in that moment, the parents of Iram and of Berta,

was he was to desperalos. Because it was something, because it was that not knew,

the motive of which was going, and his two children? And his two kids, but

there was a third child, or niet, Lucia of five years. Lucia

he had to talk after that in a night he got a

gritty really desgarerrador saying that there were some children playing in

his armory and that he called all the nights that enter to play to her.

After of these grittos Lucia started to have to have problems

in the garganta at the end of the angina he's they

detected a infin of the carganta at the

the that the the This began, obviously, as I said to circular between them, they started to say, why,

the, because he was going to be in any moment they were to asker to something that were they were doing or that they

were doing. All this started to pass to the children of Irani and of Berta. But what

most preoccuped all was that in one night, Samuel he opted for colgars

in the roble that's in the patio of his garden with a

19 years with with 19 years Javier he

fell from the tejado of his house convinced

of that the sunbras went for him but

the most was the little Lucia the little

a posto and he went to and Gianni Berta, and Ancianos,

they were how their children were destrosedosated. Cavabbed tumbas to enter

to their own practically nietos. The richests still were intact

but the family was rota. Every night while they were

the last the dinnage they were they were and

they were they said I've been for my if you

thought that I had been able of you're they're not quite

burtta in this moment he said that they had been interra something

that he had had done this the the the the

the the and he he he was he

and he and he's percat that the moment of he

he he can come like in a can

practically is human. Berta, in that moment, is a rodilla, bidding pardon to this woman, Iran,

only the only the only that said, you've got got to all the we've got to let us in

peace. At final, solos and roadied of lapidas, Iran and Berta lived their

last days in silence, with the arc of the voices that had

tormented to his nieters resonando in his book club

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You imagine, how they're, so, you know, manches, that, that's, that's responsible, culpable, to be how your children suffer for the murder of your nieters, no, that's, that's...

Exactly. At the grad of saying, get to all what we have to, no, get to, don't me interest. Yeah, what you did is, no me important, But they're Yeah, manches But how

How do you So, okay Yeah, quit me the Riquette But Talvez no regress

something but no no Okay That's That's Yeah, I'm

I want to tell another story This history That story Many are

to feel identified Because in many In many occasions the We've

talked I've talked to You've Significated Very rare. In this

history, the dreams have an element that's important. I'm going to

tell the story of the family Adorantes. I want to give the context of how is

this. Imagineate a rancho quite great. Like this is the

old, where the people built in these ranches a house that was

the house of the abelos at the the people

all the those all the those a rancho where all they'd all the

tios, vivian there all, all, all, the family Durant's

there had like a secret to voices. There was a member in the

family that in a moment platico a little a

little of what supposedly the family had made actually

many many generations after but you talk to

about many many so so in that the

family like no I think in that because this about of certain

practices of magic occultism and a lot of things but the family

started different dreams where they could be things very

rare and I want to mention something I'm to be to be

about Ivana Ivana is a one of these

her men who constructed in this rancho Ivana in that then I'm

19 years. She was the first that she was the first to know

with things she she was that she had a many people and a

grand of the people were around a circle of bellas

negras and they were in a time in a she

did she's she's she said she's that she's that

with rosters of persons but in the archiverer in these in those albums of

photos and those people that the people that had had been parents of her

but they were people people who had been lived so much time and he said

because I saw you with and they're they're like

doing a ritual passed as a normal passing in

that same one or two days Bernardo so knew something

that had to be with that he he's he he knew to

a certain ancestors for photographs and he he saw something

more more more more he he so he

had a little of filo but it was

completely black and they had an an irid

in a and they were they they were this

And there they weretied. All. So, so, so, that all all they were

and they weretian. When all they were all that, he in the son, he had

a figure a figure of a humanoid, but demoniac. Mentioned that was very high,

very great, completely obscure. He had garras, had like, like a

sonrisa that not was very the eyes but his book was great. And he

saw how he was going going to he was going to go to what he

is that he's a question to he's a and that he's behind the the

casas of the all of then he talking to every one to say is that

I mean to say this and I know that I'm that he took the

next Javier Javier he's he started to be to be his primos

oh they're they're they're they're they're they're but here about

the but here being a person of 16 years, at a little time to have been

of his primos, he's a little really very he he's a woman

of a woman of a girl that was that was his his ex-abuel

that she was he he he's she knew that this woman with that

that other person had had been he was he was panial

a a man in the picture and he pronunciable the

words that not had like a significate, he no and he sonned how his

abelua, a past of that he had the body of she was perforing

her pecho and he was very a moment where the primos were

and they said I'm that I say this I mean this I'm this, what's

what's what's what's there there other other more

grandes and And he said a word I think it's the maldition of what

you're saying what's about what's it's that I've seen so much time but I don't know

if it's true ah and you talk no man that's that's

but because you are so you all all so I'm all

they're doing different practices different things and they're

they're there And before, they had a perro that was used to postoreer

some animals. And this perro began to get to his house

like but not were not were the other per or not any of

another animal. They were those were those like human but

little. This desperto much the doubt of the primos of what

is what is saying that they're that they want to

decided visit. In the people there was a little to learn cards

to read the future and we're going to see. Entran the three primos

where was this she said what they want? What we want to know?

We're we're having dreams very rare but we're seeing the names

complete, she's in nacimient and this woman starts how to

want to invoke something. They're that the signora no used

cards he's he's like canalis those only just looking

those consulting no see to the eyes trying trying to

connect with something and the she when regress he

was and let's let's let's let's let's let's

let's let's you let's only only try mald

and let's go let's those was But why, what's what's happening? No,

they were, and for this, the things were emperoring, because the primos, every time they were reveling things different in their dreams. So, you know,

how their families sacrificed animals, children, and all had to be with a pozo that was at-as, so, after their houses,

but why they were, they were, like, the nights were a horror for all, because it was

to dream how his abelos, how they were these things such things that

these things that were there were they'd make they're like they're like plants,

mesclam a lot of porqueries passed something. In this family was the

integrante more more grand of that Berta in this

then I had multiple and difficulties, you get to complicate and when

he was in agonia he said to talk with his children, with his nietos

and he called to all the family that lived in this

ranch the only that was pardon for why pardoning us

this this woman before before she confessed all

what had done his and I want the

context Berta, the person that was agonizing yeah great of more of 95 years was the most chica

of five brothers was Geronimo Lucia Juanna Imelda and Bertha she was the

she was she said to all her family that Geronimo was the only

brother baron and Geron He never He never He said to work in the rancher, never kissed live in a

a town and at the few years he went to but he had regressed around and he he talked about

of energies to talk about of spirits and he about of things very ambitious for this he had

been economically the Lord had the earth had and his and his

emmanas how he didst you know he said and he He said Kieran

Let's I'm I did I did I did nothing you know you know

you don't you need nothing but you're going to make me the five

women well the four womenas less Berta not was that

was so convinced they sit in one part of the country

of the ranch exactly where was where was that was

And only Berta and said, "'I mean, "'I was "'because I did "'because I saw "'that my "'imans

"'and they were "'when when "'empsarone "'to get "'animals, "'when "'when they started "'Cosas

"'com people. "'I, "'I, no, "'no, no, "'it was "'only, "'it was of "'to,

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was he had been like and in any moment I thought that he could be to make

and he was doing for me it's what she said he said after the years

Geronimo fellesio went and was moving Lucia Juan and Melda

and only she she was the she was the she was the she was the saying

in the actuality in the actuality they've still these primos

of this generation in that rancho de when they're they're in they're

they're but they're they're in certain because they've that they've has practiced

that type of things never have never to have with with sacrifices of animals

with other things but they're they're they're they're they're

they're they're in what moment they're going to come they

they think that not is casuality of those those dreams not were a minute

reflect they were all of the things they were they were they're they're not

exactly in what moment will get the factura and it's with the fear

with that they're living ryes it is very difficult no

no no no well is that the same of all really

for consequence of your antipasasals you're you're carrying a maldhesion

that's that's it's over with life and it's really so far to oh

well well well well so you go with the this

this this um me did that I that I that I

to tell I'm I'm I'm I'm this is the story

uh when it's we can't us we mention her. Olga is

a a woman that's a woman who's with Abraham us mentioned and that well they're

well they're well they're well they're like this a new lot of all matrimonio

that is then baras to know the the aligria obviously

was involved all all by the but there was something that

had something that had Intranquilla, to what Abra, well, Abra, well, he went to

know to know, and one day, he said, my mom, but what's ultimately, I've seen,

but it's a little inquieta, you're worried for our son, or what is what is what's

what's what's going? For this, Olga, he said that he said that, he said,

for what comes being being being being being the, but, mention a he has

fear for his descendency he he he he

he asked a man wait how that you

have to your descendence uh he says my

my my my man he he a other

he did my man of my mom he

and and another too a son a that

what happened with they went was repitient in generations pastas no could be in a

nuclear that there were two brothers without one of them or that

would be or the time or the other or the one or the

other that they have recited familial exactly exactly that Abran

because obviously when she the only that said

I'm what will happen with our child? I mean, you're

so, you're obviously in that moment, his major anel

independently to have was, and I was 100% convinced of

that he was her his unico for whatever thing.

I just I want to ask to Abraham that

one that once that I want to never

never more. I want to enjoy to be my son,

without that a question. Abran, well, obviously, not so

so much not too to give the tranquillity in that moment to his wife, he said,

he said, go, no you don't you don't be, we're going to do this.

Vennin the last checkos of the embarazzo and the surprise gave.

Oh, no me you know, they were they're they're they're

you imagine in this moment how was a Oh, L'all. An fear

started to invade all his body. He started to be really. To what

Abranza he said, my love, tranquilla. All depends of us

we're to get much communication with them in your pancita.

Despreuptuate for favor I need that you are that you are

that you're being to to pass all the days and in the nights he put in music tranquil, music

and they began to talk to them my love those, you're going to come with

good and all in that moment pintable to be a normal and so obviously

for what that was going to go to the second checko and

all with normality the two two people were being with all

normality her heart his latitudes his and the whole

all all all in perfect state in perfect to say

and they say to you know you see that all

all I'm going to I'm I'm got the day of

the part they enter in a chirofano and

standing Olga in Camilla they're they're a first

baron but when they're the second he'd he'd he'd be a

man in that the doctor is a sombra because still before before they've done

checkos and all I don't I don't I think the same doctor what is

what was all in order all all in all all in that moment

was he Bezo to gritty, he said to desperation. Abraham, he waschuk, he went to the chirofano, said, what happened? Our son, Abraham,

our son, is he's not, he's not. He said, I don't know what had been in that moment. Salen

from the chirofano, they're to get a, well, then they're to do that but they're carrying this

this dolor. Because he had fallen the child, the baby. It was a process very a process

in the which it costed a much but then they'd to be to be

to adapt to the reality and this obviously those saw and to forget that

that's sure and to do what it is being being being

being being his his son Abraham Junior I

put I So Abrancito starts 1, 2 years With the past of the time

it's This scene In theory But It's a day Yeah That Brant He had

4 years of age For this So So, Yeah, What had I was

That was That was He was forgotten. Yeah, no was mentioned at the hour of

the food, not he mentioned in reunions family and it was a

a success that had been been been been all the

family. I get this sentiment of mom to desire

and to see and to say, he he

he said he he said he's he's he said we're

going here what curious was that she says she, we're going to

I'm 100% convinced that you depend to us with this enthusiasm

that is what character a mother of that that he wants to want

to he's about to Abrancito my my love

Abran was I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

a question you'd like to have another brother another little for you

to play with him and here here in the fire Abrancito with a voice

that no a of a little and he and he he says no

or he I'm I'm a beastia Olga She was to pass. So,

so, I'm to be back in that moment and see, wait a how,

how, how, that's too? The little the little to

his activities. But his look to going to go to the, to the

to the to the nothing. A la nothing. That scene a Olga

he brought all the records that lived and decided

to go to visit to his mother. He goes to the house of her mom He said What's what I've got to pass

Because practically that was one morning She was in the time Momma Mom, Ficate, that happened What about this? Abrancito Me contested So I'm impacted, I prefer I'd I'd like to come with you

I'd like to do you What do, I know, what I'm You know, I'd say, me allientes Or me des, some words Lindas, some mom He'd kept looking and he my

love I don't know what maldition we're we're but I'm

to say to say something when you you're you're you

you're with a gemela no and when she was she

was she Wow. In that moment, Olga, I didn't know what to do. Olga

simply started to grow, he's got to get to what I'm that's what is what I'm

saying, I'll say, I'll repeat no know what we're doing, what price we're

paying, but is what we're going to live. It's the cross that it took

to carry, no? Exactly. As I'm saying for there. Fiatte that I

I'm I'm much time when I talked with Pahey and I giving a

fervoir about a malditions generational trans bambalinas while we're talking in the scene and he

he was a very very strong because he said me he told something

to that and I think for example that the the child that Abrancito was

was posseid for the way in how he but in this case his mom

not not is like a but he said Pahey I recall that

is that when when they're making generations the Lent is that is going changing

and it and where it gets the destrozo does the maldard and there pass to

the other so right right is there is if it has a family

okay is like it's like it so and it's the

he's the yeah that's that's that that's that that's

that to be with this ultimate story that I going to tell.

That is really that's really that's story has been much

to be with that. But I need to put in context something. Susanna

is the person that that us and and unfortunately

it's his name real us let me mention his

name real but what she did some years is

something was a woman that live in Ciudad of Mexico, live with his husband,

actually not they're children. But this comes very profound and very back. Because she mentioned that

she only she grew with her mom, with Norma. His father, unfortunately, pired

the life in an accident laboral, those indemnizan, and so his mom and does the

opportunity to her to study a career and all this. It was that all was very

well, but Norma had a character very, very very very

really with Susanna. She was a woman of character very very amigable,

very good on, but her mom, but it's like when they have the

blood and it's very grunion very stricta and all the time

since when she she says menopresia or sobaugh, or sobaugh, like

said, so when the opportunity to be able to get, to get, to start to the

house, initiate a relation, then it and it's how she he knows, the

that she is his husband, and when they're always of his children,

before her mom of Norma, Norma he said, Susanna, you are a little,

you don't to be a mother. All the time he said that all the time,

all the time, he mentioned things very feas. And in one occasion in a scene

family, she was to do to do the family. Susanna is up at the

house and she go. But, before, why all the time me attack? Because

he all the time it seems that you don't you know, you know, you're

I'm saying, I'm that I'm because all the time you do you do you want to

because Susanna is going to because Susanna was with her husband and they went to live

apart and they they're and all passing the months this this pair

this parent this is they're to be a great not they're

to be a child because they're not not they're

not they're they they're they're to tell all the

family of the mom of the husband and no that

I'm to have felicities, God and God, and he said, and what, we're going to

to tell to your mom, to your family? And Susanna, you know, I said, all the time

my mom never, my time, all the time me said, I don't know, he said, no,

no, I don't see. And in an occasion, like, like, if his mom was up

you know, and he's to be to dinner, and there's to all the family, and like,

one of the Tosos of the when, when, when, when, when,

when, when, the little the opportunity and then

then they're to talk and then what's what I'm family you're that's

you're that I'm I'm saying that we're saying we're a baby

the reaction that they're the family of Susanna no was

the that they were the she was her mother's he

kept looking even so he fell the the

tened the man, pose a face like a

question. And the family so it was a like they were like they

were in they're not, but they in that when she says

mom, what what it's something that you're going to

you do you do you say that's she no, no,

no, no doesn't nothing things of family so

he's the back and obviously Susanna she kept and see the reaction of her mom,

she's put to your husband she's molest, he said, okay, what's, what's the what's the person,

and they go, let me ask your mom, your family is too your family is a local because

I don't know because they're not so. Passed the times, it was

that all was a calm very enganoo but this was a principle classical,

no, nauseas, suing, cancansio but a night changed

the madrugated when she had she about two three

months of she were very pesas she she

she she she she she she was very

very they're like spas were like those and

almost like the contract and the doctor and the doctor

said but is you are you Your son is being,

is not getting well. I don't know of where that comes that

but if persists and they're and they're they're normal, and however passable

the nights and the and the dolors were making more more

more than that Susanna sudaba empapad of sudor because she had a lot

so agud in the vintre that the pressure was He was back. Sentia

many things, I'm going to describe what she said. She was a raeasos

in the vintre. Like if had a creature, not a baby, a creature

that by a lastimable his organs, the lastimable to her and she

did get to get to an urgencies and everything and all all the doctor

he calmable the doctor revisable says that you're being your baby Here, here is, you're

seeing. The ultrasound, is it's all all the doctor, are so, doctors, are so many, has been in

hours because no support the and say, look, take these these medications, you know, the classic.

They'd get them to their house and other see the other way, the dolors, she said

that an animal he hadgrava the vintre in a form insuppable and only only had

the man of his husband he apretable and he said, for

favor, tell me that all of all this all right, so, like,

so, like, he's mentalize to get the because the end of

because the emberasas after that they were like some, and she was,

she had different things in paralysis of the things very turbi his

his husband one once he went to be a and when he got

to be a And in another abitation be that his spouse, sentada

in the piece, but was like sobbing the vintre but he was sat down looking to

look at he said he said my amour at what you you're

you're not he he was only he was sogian saliating

he said Susanna I'm I'm I'm talking no contested nothing

only when he was he said yeah he's here yeah probably yeah

probably will be I don't what I didn't what he said then then so

like to get her he took the armory and when when she was Susanna

started and said I was in a place where I was much a much

It was something. It was an infirno. The embarso, really was an infirno for all. So, in that moment,

his husband, that, for sure, is he called Elias, he started to look to help. Medically,

they were nothing because they said that the end. If they had got in the options,

I said, I'm going to have to talk with my my suhra. I'm going to

have to get to go to see to his wife, with her and he I'm going to

tell everything. He said Norma was prepared on a coffee while

he said, and he said, the inevitable and it is to get to get.

Of what the the Sueger? And it's where he says, look, see,

they, get a box, vendas, alcohol, analgesicicos, to be, Pepe,

perece, perece, per se. Of what what is what is what is that? What is,

what's, what's what? What's, and only he says, it's a maldiction,

Elias. It's a maldition. How? Like, a maldition? And she never

knew how abortar with Susanna. When me I started to me, I'm to see the

same symptoms, before that she was with my first her. I'm

to see those symptoms, those doorses, like if someone to

cutara for the and all the women of the family

have and I know to my daughter. For so I said, no

you're going to but she was she was she was only, she

went, but also I had the because I never

I'm never, never. You never. You're two options

or you're to what has to happen to or you

you go to the doctor, but no they're going to help in nothing. You're going to get a poacher yeah. Deh me in

peace, leave in peace to my family, degen pass to Susanna. And she said, he said,

she said, no, no, no, I'm going to give to my spouse to the doctor because

no is possible that's what you're saying Susanna certainly is still and you also I'm

need to do the treatment medical. Before that he said, look,

only listen me and do what you have to do. But they're to know.

Resulte that has four generations a woman made a pacto but the

pacto was directly with another person not with a person, or at

least not directly with a deed this woman was a woman

that was a woman Pocas aspirations. Buscabas over-sales. And he toped with a person that he said, I can't help to have all what you

can't, all what you want. What is the price? No, you'll be to know what will be the price. Passed, he was a other person, she castes,

they started to construct, things, businesses, he's a and barazza and since of that moment, the

embarazos of the women of those families passable for the same. She's

she knew. Fifate, something something rare, so know, that was in a

room, accostated in a camera like a madeira about of flowers,

belles, a lot of things, and there was this person. She, in his

son, be like this man, like she's about to do the light and this

man he's he, he, he he, he, he says,

he said, trato paid. Desperto? Desperto, normal. Yeah, had passed

the series of the lot of this, and when he gets the moment to go

to go to, resulta that not was an person. No had

a baby. simply no he was an person he adjudic

a thing of the some these embarasos psychologics because

he had all the stomach in the the stomach the amount

like a an a unbaras problems like nauseous

agotam but no there no there and she she

knew that she was that had had had

paid the but I think that that's he kept

because he's he's he's he was a he normal all of the

but the case is that always he never baby also

obviously he's he's he he he said he's he's

he's he's I'm I'm going to get a doctor when

he he's the he's the same the ultrasonid

did all, and result, that no had a baby. Perdi to the child.

When they're that they're they're and they talk with Norma for that

more information, Norma says something, the children not so

the children are are are abatated from the

vintre of their and they they're they they're they

But no they're or not they're or not so they're not they're nots.

Susanna obviously the only that he said to do because never

me about this because you never was able to say me the

and now I'm I'm going to this. Since Elia and Susanna

decided not to have children not to not have no

little little of the generation that that this So, it's still repeated. Yeah,

have passed many years, have many years of matrimonial, but no they're not their children.

The problem is that they're in a doubt existential very, very very,

if they if they would, what would be able? Wow. So, so they're

repitient, the cycle, no they know. No, manches. No, they know.

Wow, Wow, wow. Very good question. I mean, I mean, I'm very good question.

It's that if you can to romper those malditions if you can, obviously, if you do you have to

do, but so, I don't I don't, I'd I'd be I the response. That's that's great,

that's great, that's, well, I'm also, well, I'm not, to finalize, I'm,

I'm, that's history that, that I'm, that I'm to turn as anonym the

titulo the ritual of the national of this this is a story of a

family the which the because not is but every that there

the next the baby they have a ritual

okay this ritual is conforms the The second manner.

In the cuna of the baby, first, they're to all the

cuna of salt in grano. Okay. They've to have a quenco is a

quenco and a bela black. Oh, the quenco and the

bell black comes in generation in generation. So, they're

going going passing? The ritual consists that when they're doing the circle

of salt around of the cunna the baby they have to pinch

it of a dedito and to get a got of a gongue okay

tenient the bell encendida let's record we is a bell black

then they're to recital in an idiom old no no specificing

like if they're in some a lingo a lingo a a lingo a

exact and then they're well they're they're they're I'll

say the of the water the the purpose really

is incerto what what they mention is that

there is that there an advertency very clear if the

ritual is omit something something this this this is this

is a generation trans generation and it's a tradition a tradition

uh for generations the family always has a new primogenito

so does the ritual the next is a ritual and this has

escalated all the generations, all the generations. Until that came the matrimonial of the ultimate

generation. We're going to call them of Carla and Daniel. When his his

his Sophia, they decided to ignore the ritual. Carla Carla was he came

as a superstition absurd. Daniel was to agree He didn't

the circle of salt. The bela black remained practically guarded with the

coenco of the man who continued accumulating what was doing the

polvo and so well the first days no passed nothing

all with normality but at the third day Carla

not a lot a very a An olor that

was just from the abatation of Sophia. Aedor dulce and a abodried,

like a kind of discompuously he went to think it was, he was the panial

of Sophia and that night, while amamant to Sophia sent you a cold repentino in the

noca or like someone he was and she was and then we know

there's no. There's Daniel was the the next that he

started to know things maybe extra he he was a

morning and he he he went to the soil that was on

the line and figures like were like they were

of the room where was the room was

they were those these of these these reels like

so so he mentioned that he was clearly

like was some some He, well, he took like much importance,

opto for clean, but at the day next, these rugs were

more profound. When he he was to clean, he percat that at the

front of the rugs, that were a surco, he could be to be like a

polvito blank. He he's he and he and he did

count that there sal? Obviously he resulted very strange.

Bye and he'll comment to his husband Carla and see what

what we're going to do the importance we're going to continue in our

role and tant the the success to end

and a time car she left only a

in the Cuna to prepare what being doing so

his b and when when was the baby

was a boca-abacco, but enrolied with the saba like if something like to serangular. Okay. Carla, goes around, agarra the nina rapidly, then,

then, then, he's obviously this saba, and he's, oh, I mean, this is, yeah, this is very extrano. In the night, a crugid resone in the house,

like if the bigas were stubland under the piece of the same cuna, the luses started to

parpadear and in an instant the same the same the same they're

a red redetor rojo before to be to be to

reventar. It were the that obviously already started alarmar

and started to take much force because obviously the

theme of the tradition family that they're living they're

but remember that sophia for this was a

recent-nacida. They were to lead in a certain mode, so all this that was going to

when Sophia yeah get to three months of the lastida, one night

Carla was a costada and she had a dream. She said that

was a but right to be you do me you know and me says

if it was a really she was she when when she was

that when she was as Sophia of three months of her life I'm

I'm seeing how he was parable in front of her and that he

started and and get more to get to the body when it

when he's part practically at the at the the stomach

and he starts to but to bring but as like to exactly

to to last to tooters to the way that she has

a and she know that there no there but the the

pain abdominal that generated this friction and these

the the the the the and her and a

his spos and he and he and he does know

that that all the part of the abdomen he

he had more this this was something like alerted

a little more, he says, you know, we're going to the little of the little. They're

in the room of the little bit and they're to hear some voices

that were in the door. When they they were in the door,

she did know that Sophia was was parada in the

cuna with the looking to the front and and

and Repetienting a phrase that I said, the cycles no's romp. A those three months. Three months.

She in that moment he said, I said, almost, he said, this is a, this is a dream,

I'm not can't be possible that my daughter, of three months, yeah be parted,

and I'm saying, the cycles no, so they're going, they're, they're

with her her husband, the garra and he starts a cargare, the nia

simply a little a little his eyes, like she's a little

and he started to desper to all, to all and they they're to the

morning, and Daniel he mentioned a Carla. You know, I don't see if

it's a certain this tradition that had to be your

family but we need to do this ritual. Now so we

did you now. Now, we have to do. and they're to look

what comes the quenco that's repito that's generation transgeneration

at moment of that they're they're they're they're and they

start to rocear all the cun around with salt with the gran of this

quenco so he rompe at the moment of that he's pincha

a daniel of his dead and he derama and the

Vela Negra. They're preoccupated because then they're in the recipient

principal to be part of the ritual with a little and they go and

they're to the house of the and they're they're what they

what's what they're they're what they say is but

how they're they're how they're the tradition says

that if these cycle they they're going to

but attenance the consequences and there no I'm nothing to do. It's

too too the story. The history termina no has a

final because because they're they resignan to not to not

to not to be not the part of because practically it's

a maldition that they're doing they're saying that today

Sophia of five years of have has been totally

sane and you did the 100% of mobility of his

body. Obviously are they are tormented, have been used of

chamanes, have been of the material and the only

that they are you are paying a price. I'm I'm

that so that difficult no manches a sometimes

find that It happens much, even I remember to the people who think in God,

commit in an error, for example, do you know, they're they're to give them to give them

to give them to God, but although they have the pardon of God, the consequence

of the act, you know, not it's like you you know, you know, you can't

all the car, no, no, no, no. If you you have the person of God,

even so if something that you can't you go you can't you but what

did you cause and effect in some moment you're going to you'll have to pay God not that's

that karma that you've in this case how is something that's something that is maldition generational

and there is different and that's so is it's complicated wow totally these stories

me they're just they're just I'm going to I'm going to repeat it are situations in those

that you don't depend of one or so well in in some in this last

that I have I, that I've got to I've got to come to, when arrasras something, it's where you say, that's cruel. It's very cruel. How do you have passed? Well, with some details there, but all the cheetah.

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