EXTRA ANORMAL - LA NIÑA QUE SE APARECE EN LA IGLESIA: Historias Macabras de Iglesias

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

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to my mother, then I going to keep to this place to we're going to

we're to get a little that we've was the end of God. We were

at the misa, but I was done of that man. And I had

heard that that the diableto you did you did you did you did you

said if you were to be and he's I'm never I'm never going to

You have known that all the people that are dying are people are

people that your mom have done for them. I was I'm put to

give my point of view but the point of collective concuerda with

that you feel something and it's normally I'm

I I'm to see the sacrifice a a

life a a little a one a a

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I'm so I'm content because retomamos an episode, a thing that I'm going to mention, I like much,

but also they're rasping muebles with this type of these stories for normals, these experiences

that are in a church. There's there are many stories and is that is

inevitable in not give us the quantity of persons that have experimented

something more than the terroring even in a church where

not even we can we can't imagine that we can't that's where it

is where this time for this time I'm a person very

special grand friend colleague of and about the

stories of the good Oscar how you Oscar? Well thank

Thank you, thanks for the invitation. Always is a good to be here with you talking about of stories that we're in the family extra normal. And as well, you know, it's a thing that I fascina.

I think there are many things that can mention, many things, of which one can't ask, why it's because there

a refuge, maybe, I'm in a church for entities that maybe they're to be there. That's,

that's so it makes fascinating how it could have a refuge in a a place sacro for

all the contrary. Fidate that, well, there are many of the majority

I think go hiran entornos to liberations possessions demoniacas and a thing

that I have a thing that I'm really me extremese much because I've

been in the church of where he's me what they have been to be

so that was very interesting also. I'm also I'm also

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now so my good Oscar, look we we we're

the time that we we we've we've we've we've

have talked about certain things that occur in a municipal very very certain toxtepec of the name Otatitlan

Veracruz also known as the sanctuary in this place there there there

a story a legend for there that is the history of the Christo in what

consists simply in the year 1597 Poblators see that go to

a balsa and above of the balsa and above a Christ flot

They don't know why, but they interpret them as a miracle, they're talking to the balsa and they're going to get to the cathedral of that municipality, where today, currently, only is the head of that Christ. Only that is. It's a thing more grand, of the time of the human, and there is where the people can go,

because it's a lot that is very miracleous. Now, there is something very interesting, that even Samuel, who manned this story,

we can't here there's a thing that there's some because there some

that's that they're not to have been with the Catholicism because even

outside of the church is permitted that they are that they are

that they're like a for 10 pesos $ $2

dollars and those remogas and the people inside of

this church is they're in front of Christ

Negro, of the head of the Christ Negro, they're going to

be able to get and he and he says, this, this practice

of Catholicism is me really very because was

in contra of what really the Bible to you know

that that about related about the thing he

he he says Samuel we know that there is

very normal but when was growing was so

Samuel was created in a family very religious

a child of fathers very religious and abelos and abelos he says he says that all his

he lives there and he's there and that always he was to this church to the

Santa Misa the sabbos the Catholicism and that for him was very common to be how

was the people to get a people to get the people get of the

people of the Tuxtepeg and of other municipalities even of other

to that place to know the Christo Negr, that is very miracle and that if you enter, you have to make a limpia

and all that negative or that you bring you go to, so he says that he was so he was so much,

he was he was being to these people, but he says a phrase that I want to

hear, she never me did fear. There was something in that image, something that

no me was a Pessar of that was that was really a lot of and that

the things there's there in all the negative, a samuel always he gave

much to be to start to front to that that the Christ Negro that

that's mentioned that he made that's things things and he

says that for well for protocols familiar he he took

to have all his sacraments he did the he's

the he's the he's the he's the he's the he's the And that, well, conform he was crescent,

he mentioned, the truth, I, since very young, I saw certain things that no me liked of the church. Apart of that for me, and he mentioned, me cost a much to believe in a God that only just he's, even I don't

believe in demonos, until that he gets the day where, he's he's encountered with something aterrador. He said that

all was in a domino of Ramos. The church was a full of

many people fervient of faith even visitants of other places. The

church was super full even, even there was out of the

same the same and he said I was sat down to in front

just just to almost to the head of this Christon Negr.

Stando you there like whatever domino all normal pass to

something he said the father he started with a pune of albaca that is

a yerba that's a yearba and I started to get to the people

in that I'm I'm to say I'm a a and a

frio that recorri my my my back my

back and I'm I'm I'm I'm why. In that,

I mean, I wanted to back. Something says that for me was prohibited for my abelita,

for my mom, for my papa, because we know they're that if you are in the

church, not you don't do you don't be talking, because it's a lack of

respect. But in that moment I said, I sent many things that things negative

that I started because and in the moment that I go to go

back is when the I'm going to forget that Rostro. In his 42 years he aterra today to

talk of this he lived. He said that there was about 13, 14 years that was in Cada.

The extraordinary is that on his dad and the other side had his mother

who were they were they were and he said his car not was the

was the rostro of a demonio his eyes, his boca and it was it was more of the

normal and her mandibular was too great. She was she was to get her and he

began to force and it was just the rostro of his parents

who they were that they were in them in this I know that I

noted that all the church or all the people that

was closer to this part of the church, he's going to have to have the microthone and he says

that he he says, he says, and he back to the altar and he is coming and going to

where there that she has that they're submitted. He says only I can't know that the

sacerdote he says for there certain questions to the parents, the parents they respondent

and in that moment the sacerote moja the punio of gyrvas that had

in the man and he started to get to get a little that young in this

moment he said I don't see if they've heard or have passed

or have been but the the noise that that was scalofrient of

the part to pass to the and the ennojo passed to the

risas he started to burl the sacerdote They got people of the

church, servitors, they were to get her and in that moment the little the little bit of

you're going to do you because you don't have the rest of God. That's said to

the same the same sacerdote even to some of some women and they say you

too too you can come to talk me as you like to talk references

totally of the indole sexual And in that moment The sacerote Again, he's remodging

The Pune of Yerba And she's when He's grita And he says in voice Alta Satanas Sal to this Cuerpo

Now And the And the Yeah, I I said, I Yeah, I Yeah, I had time

in the church I knew I had to have the eyes Serrars the Rosario But it was

impossible Paco, I said, I felt a pesadess and all the world was doing

what he was going, when I regress the mirate to the front, is when

he does know of something that he was he said that all see that

the face, this he had changed. Something something. He said

that it was his rostro that he had, but the form of his

car was different. He said, it was the same rostro that had the little bit of Christ,

his sejas were like if they were fruncidas and had a rostro like a risa, like a

I don't see, how is possible that a that a rostro of madeer

because it's the madera he has changed the factions the what incredible is that

nobody more he said only all they were are you are looking, to where I was the

sacredote and the I'm the only that he did know how he came

the rostro to the image in that the sacerote still

reprendient and he said to satanass because he said satanass that

he said that she was a vomiting a bava black and he began

to salivar much the the scalofriante of all the is that all

the people the people And we see, we've seen as a sombra, like of two meters, sale of the little bit,

with direction to Christ. When we saw, the children, the kids, with the people were,

the children, the young that was, was, grittando, that was mad, she kept

callied, behind the mind, more but to all we all that sombra so grand

was in direction to Christ. in that moment the sacerdote about the microphone and

he said to all that's that's that's that's already that they're that they're they're going

to get to get to all the church we're the door principal for the door

lateral because the people of the church know the other people we're

we're we're we're to talk the campana and all this

was and they're all the accesses. All the people there out

out of all of what he's going to have been about something.

They were passing the days and you know what's what's the

strange me said, that that that that the

head of the Christ got, they've got to the people

said, and the sacereote us said a And I'm a I'm a

I'm a because nobody I think what he he said he he mentioned

that this had been to be because because all you're an

object of madera of the year the year had to

do that they had to do a nobody he said

that there were in certain groups of the

same but the Christians don't to call them

they they they they they they started to say, that is

a posseid, that's a demonio, what they have that's a case, and that the people do get to get us,

the water and yet, and get us, into the church is an act so really, um,

so, for so, for that was, what was, so, they're going to start, those,

these groups Christians to mention to this, there were groups catholicos that said

all the contrary. They said that we we had seen a miracle that the image

of the Christ exorcised to the little and so the people and she despojava

and it was made and it's because absorbia the negative it was he had

done with the that the that's he went in direction to Christ

he said there were many vertient many many many crey

people thought things different but what was a fact

is that they were Why to retire the Cabeza of Christ? After of almost a month

regress to the church but you know what is what's the strange?

He says when it's they're to return his faction had

changed another time. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

cause pesidels to you transmit to a sensation

of a Tristice and much Mied. Definitively I know what happened after those

almost 30 days. That's when he was when he was he has 42 years and he says that he says that

he's very beautiful and they're really they're going to visit to his parents but he evita

at all cost to enter to that because he records all what he lived when

he was a and over all to be that image that

he he causes much fear and I'm to be to

you know to you see in this moment what

what what what what what what what you

think is Oscar it is it is a

rather the incretism no How we're we're making creences and mention you

that's something that me give up much the attention. The fact that's a miracle

even that's in the precepts. There's there. And a sometimes this

is a confused because you can't say okay that's a miracle

of where you question you and much people you can reflect well

but it's a miracle because you're you you're because

you're so those are things this sense, maybe you can be in a

sense valid the redundancy paranormal, but there are you are the how you do how you

do you do you do you know, how you think you know that exists like a

department that pertains to the that's that's to study the miracles

because they're exactly what you have to say not all those miracles

pertene to the divino to the celestial. Also, also exist in miracles that

proviening from other founts, we're going to call them. I mean, there's also you know,

because we can't believe in a god poweros that always we have inculcated but

also you can't have a great that's totally different and it's absolutely nothing of all the

only, it has to see how you're doing the loopa with what is

and a part of they, they're they're they're by a rato mention about something.

And I think this has passed to many especially when we're in the fact to enter

to an church, the images sacras have this part where are a sometimes

even after sinister and I mention with all respect, the due of respect, to be a

person that is a person who is giving a humanity, see a the people, how are

they're done of the churches in this of the cases Catholic, that are the

that are the people who are even to go to go to a house of the abuela to go to see a

a child and it's very strong when you're when you're little. And I want to

this history that has that has to be with a person, a man

called Pablo. And here I'm going to plant the next situation.

We're to suppose that you get to the The church is sat down in misa and of

a person to your side of your side of you can't to be a re-oho and what

propit that you do you do you is a look when you look you

look at the car you see that his eyes and you don't be a

manner and I'm to develop the story I'm I'm

very little from the time he's no has

no has in the church. His family, as a majority of

many of many of many of Mexicans, so are Catholic that are when there

baptises, when there bodes, when there certain festivities, but no more

more of that he he said, he's very, very little

in the house of his tias, well, so I have images

of the Virgen, of Jesus Christ, of some but a

record of he had gone to the church to not not be

a festivity there's not a not a question even the church where

he was he was a mind. And is that every that

was that he was you see in occasions there's these medias

bardas that they give the possibility to look

to and you can see the the place

and he said he said every every that every a very

time at the time at and over all in the days, and I'm

going to the time, he was looking to get to the temple

and I heard a kind of a question. This is not a

science certain if was a record or was a bad

so because I said that he was going with his

friends with his friends and he disamarr the

bottle of the the he's aghach and when just when

he's doing the nudo he says he says he's another again

he's he he'll he he'll see a little a silhouette

and that his siluetta had some his eyes like an animal so he when he

and when he'll hear this he said his his friends and his primos

wait me this was a constant no I was he had he had had

had this, and every that they they'd say to go to the church, or that's they're going

to go to say, no, the real I don't want to be. Because I feel that's

things mehs strange. Conform it's going going to the time and

he gets to a 15, 16, 16 years, lamentably one of his tias, herman

of her mother, the senior Monica commenced to get to get to this pathology very

very, very very, very He does cancer in the and the and then this

starts to propitiate desperation into the family. It's the mom of his primos and then

they're going to get to the church to find out a part where there a pass or tranquillity

I think the Lord at finally was done and fortunately was attending the chemotherapies

and all these processes that are fatals are very very fertes for the

people that have have passed this, the really, is something that you

need to be very very hard as a family, as the person that's a person who

is a thing psychological is much more more and then. And then they're

to go to the church. His primos were there in the

church like was and he went and that unfortunately

the tia don't Monica pierde the life and

the battle and this has that his primos, imagine

to be to get a mom at the 18, 17 years, in any time of your

life is very very strong. But this does that the primos of Pablo said they were here,

they're to get the can't to act to a way, that maybe question

to why his mom had gone if there's people that has something

very, many lamentable and they do you do absolutely nothing

and the absence of the mom has that the primos of Pablo and

even Paul start to do things little unlicable or illicit

and they can't that in the church can't extracts some

objects to get to get to get to and they do you do that

okay God me cuted to my mother then I'm

going to get to this place to we supone that we we're going to receive a

miracle and the only that we've gottubes was the back of God. In one night, the primos of

Pablo, they're going to get the and say, we're going to get the place. But to

Paul, when they're going to get in the night, pese that he was a young,

to be a young, to get a to go to the church. For all the things that he had

seen, and even he even he's when his prims and they say, we're going to go

Sway that be a person in the church, but no it was a

demonio, it was another thing. He's a rascuions in the place and

comes to see that there is a kind of a church. He

to the night and he says to his primos I think we don't

do we have to do this because at final it's a

lot of many people that have there and even I

don't practice this I think if she's a merit a respect and his

prims, no, we're going to gettening us. If God didn't the

unfermeda because we're to deten us us. Resulted that they

enter in the temple and they're to get certain objects that

imagineate that you can't I mean if there there are objects or these

calices that are some of some of gold there are there

there more there to obtain money is more the part of care

of vengeance imagineate to be to venger of God imagineate not so

then his prims start to get with a box and get to get

to make all and let let us let me know this this was

in the madugada and nobody see down in the church

they they start for the adrenaline of what they're doing

and they're going pass the first the But Paolo Siente

that they're seeing that they're doing. And they're going to get to the house

of the primos and they're they're all euphorical of that they're practically

to urtar a place. In that Paulo he's up to the

second place and his family and they're to come back to get to talk to

what is what they're going to get to get to make some more more money.

And in this instant he says, Pablo, that he's like if someone would be

the door at the part of the door at the part down a portaso and they

start to hear in how they're how his primos they're to start. And one

of them his gritty was so a stryent that son to be a suffriment in that

on those on the lights, it's a caros in the house. Pablo

is called he's he's he's in the when he goes one of

his prims was he was he had a he was his

and when Pablo open the window see that they

get that they they're those objects but when when

this thing that he had the object was

like it was like a little but when

this thing or Pablo see this thing what he's

observant regress the mirada and the clava in the rostro of Paul had the

eyes and he was a beastia he begins to come to come in a woman he got a

ball's and he he's he's coming he's he said he'll they're

to say his his friend his his his he's he's

he pass the time and they're they the objects were

another time in the place in the place where they're talking

okay he's a pablo to a domino and here is where

I'm what was what I mentioned I said a yeah he's

and he and at the right of him he he heverted

when don't heberto so he's he said he he's

imagine you you're in the church, and you do a palmada in your when you see the

hand that you do the palmada, not is a man, it's a garra. Voltae to Paul to be, he be the eyes to don't

his eyes and he said, and he gave a sonrisa and he says, and he says what you did and you

know, you know, we're going to go to this secret and I don't say that your family was the

that heurted in the church. Paul, he said Elado because Don Eriberto

result a that is part of a committee in the church. The family of Don Eriberto

since a much time in the people they know that they have practices a

different in the church but he is a fiel devote Catholic

Okay but maintain this history of Pablo of how someone

recupered the guardian of the church, recupered the object sacros of the

other that's that's this sir. No suspiciously. It's

the is the Lord Deliverto. All right. You dare you to say

that's like a guel? Well, I do like a poe or say that

boyo is the poe. Imagine it's that there people and it's

what I like of this story because there people who

have practices very different as like the mention is and it seems like

we're but there practice that they're not in the church not they're

in the person that's part one of the committee in the Catholicism

and has these practice. I want to make a lot of a context

that I'm quite a lot of we're in Chiapas and just about there,

I'm doing there, I'm having and view a that's the attention a destination. A destination.

A destination that's called San Juan Chamul. So, like you know? That's the

place me record much to the sanctuary, which is the place where

I've mentioned. Otatitlan Veracruus. Because in this place, imagineate

if in Otitlan they're they're things. You know, you can enter,

you're they're doing limpies and all very chido I don't because it's permitted to grab in San Juan

Chamula and I do you with much respect the chamulas that are as if they are known

the people who do they do certain practices well the history marked that

when came to the conquista that in this place not

not they're not kind of the all the all those

ancestors so like not so it's the religion. Pusier

and all but the people, known as the chalulas, that are the people who have been

like like, and the animals puttas, not adopt completely the religion

Catholic. So, so it was a incretism a interesting. The

scalofrient of this and, oh, no, I don't do you, if you

do you do you, you're going to make a quantity of people that when

you enter in the church you say that's he says that it's a little less

beautiful or a good or nice if some of some some

people they impose the people and you all this you

and you see that you in that the issue I don't

I don't do you I do you do you put my point of

my point of but the point of political concuerda with that

you see something and is that normally there A me

to see the sacrifice a little a limpia where sacrifice they're a galen a little

the church like a like a like yearbita and there like chamanes we're going to call it

or sacerdotes not precisely Catholics that are in the church limping to the people

occuping animals they're notting animals ohho nothing of that

actually is super prohibited grab If you've been Gravando, the consequences are very

very strong because, well, number one, no, no there's authority legal. The people

is the law, then they're they're riged for uses and and then a person he can go

where only you can say that the carcel is the most levy. And I do with

much respect. Why? Because I think I saw, I mean to come to come

to come to apart are the stories of the people. So,

me record much precisely because there certain places that although

it's that what it can't and they're and it's impressive

now now if I said there there there where the people

where the people imagine this this occurred in San Pedro

Cholula Puebla in that place in the part central of

Mexico is He found a church very peculiar and really when I go

peculiar is very peculiar the church is known like the church the church

of the church and not it's it's the other but the the story

of a famous figure of a diabilito that one day appeared

mysteriously apparently apparently apparently it's the church and the

people even said that who Like that they had desentered There are many legends

that go around of this, that they have done that they have done that they're there

intentionally the the church the the parroco in that moment if he

did he made it to get it to get it to the church to make it in

a urna of the and crystal and leave it exibed close of St.

Miguel as we say it's like the guardian of the church

then so of the saint that that is like he

has this title of the church. The interesting is that there many legends

that are around of this because they're when he's the urn of

the diableto and they they were this this he was

even he there was a invisible that the moment to

make the figure to this like this kind

to put let not even even when they

they they they that they'd that the day the day the next they'd

have been things were a disaster, the bank mal accommodated and the

bitrina in the part of the matter was totally arnanana

the people started that this was because obviously to

the muke of the diabito even they committed

a practice very bizarre and limed the garras

that he that to that's that's to be a real

busken it's it's it's it's there it's it's

a history of the the church after the after the people the people

the people to know to know the story of this

church of St. Miguel and the people and the people

to get to to give to to to give to to to the image to

the people because they're that they're that they're but that he

complied the petitions that obviously God not you to be to and there the people

to say, Diablito etchame your benition there they they're they're they're

to findas for that today I'm going to start that can do do it

and the people and it was so that the church saw that he

got to the family that they took the that the

image or the vitrina with the diablito and then and guard to the church.

Because the people was going to get to make more and more petitions. Now,

yeah, I'm going the context of this church, that by a one with

a story very similar in Clack Scala, because not going to say, in Clackxcal,

if in Tlaxcala and other yeah we'll let's, I'll to tell

what he did a when Daniela had still was exhibited the image

of the diabilito in the church but there was a tradition before

to come to you to see to say to say to say to say

the because what he said he does to be the image of the diabilito that

is the tradition or were the tradition an idea in that then I'm once

years. Disafortunately vivied a process familiar very difficult. Me commenta that

all was violence. His father unfortunately well, let us, we'd that had

the addiction of the alcoholism, he'd very a house, he'd

a violence against her and what she discovered he

had really really really and they're to censur

in this what I say she She knows that

he gave his father about the one of the time he's a man,

he said he had to be in the room to make the and he

was the and he he'd and he and he said make me to come

to come and say my my mom she put in and you say

you're you're you're you're in the message and he's

he's and he's I've left it. It's very frie and we let me

go on the other time. He's he's really Paco a past

that was my father, my progenitor I I'd I'd

not that was the the worst was the moment when they were

to get to his room he said I said I I

and my mom I I'm and because this maldito

man abus sexually sexually of her my mom, a sometimes my

mother, I said, I'm going to go to do with Dany, with my daughter, because

today he invented about because he took a fever, I'm going to do it, and he

no he important. Entrava to my room, and I had to the cabels

and I meted to his court, because the mancito wanted to satisfy

his necessities. He said, I saw all that so, Paco. And I

lived with all that all this call and if I said something, to my father

he me and me and my mom always was going to defender me and for end she

was she she was I was tired to do this infirno only when I was to visit to

my abelitos that even live in San Pedro Cholula only just standing

with I was I was like I had to all of all this and even

my mom too my mom no he said nothing to nobody. All so he

was my father and my papa and then he said when he

was when he was for us it was like a but

when he he was we we was what I remember.

I said I went to my mother at the misa we we're

we're we I'm but I was I'm I'm I'm

I've heard that that that the diablet you

compil what you you'd peddys if you you're with and I'm

you're you're you're in you're incomend to say Miguel for that to give

the protection and to get to him. I was where I'm the image of

San Miguel no I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm the diablito

to the and the and only with lachrymas, I said, gettelow.

Get it that's a pinche man. Alexal to my house, alexal

to me, alhal to my mom. Recurred that my abuela seems

that I was like I'm talking and she me he's me

looking. It's only me said he's he's really, that

you're saying yeah I'm only I'm just I'm

the image, me gave curiosity and said Paco I don't

I repent two days passed for that this he's he's to be in

his taxi was of him he had the concession he went with some he

was he liked much to take and I don't why

he went to another rumbo he's that he's not

not it but he passed for a place

that is known as the Curva of the Diablo where much

people of that people know that has been people

in that the people said that said that

he was that was extremely ebri no I

know he stp against a bar and my

father and my father when he he he

her funeral, I was happy. And my mom, a past of that she

had the trist, I know she, she was she was happy. And if

my mom always was a but never was the medical,

never never he took the opportunity to goar. Never

I could do now so my mom will be to be for her in that

I'm a little my abuela me and I'm and I don't want to think

to think that this was an accident what of your father and I said

I didn't I was to answer and I just I'm I'm just to

think to you to think to that I'm that night, she took a dream.

In his dream, I was I was coming like in a vered

and in that in so, a 20 meters of me it

was my demonia but in a form different. It

was a young of my same age. I remember

that I was with a roba very antiwa

of color rojo and that his eyes were completely obscured

I was going to and when I was near he he extended

his man and he he you me was you

did I did I did I I'm I

going to be to I want to I say

me he he He goes to the of him. Tomo his man and

we started to come in those. I was I was allterated and I'm because I

see to the eyes. Geree my mom running what you have you know

I'm to say you I'm not I'm trying and what I've I said I've had

a I've had a my mom yeah my mom yeah I don't

don't think you're A Pesar, he said, of all what he had

occurred, and of I think that I'm that I'm that I'm going to to get a

better. Passed all the contrary. My mom started more. I don't

what happened said, but like the infirmat but the disease, my mom, my mom

said, he gave attacks of tos where terminated scupying the

blood, the cabo so it was to get and I saw in a little

time my mom, little to go to be be embegecing and if it

was infirmating the o'jera my my mom was very

bad passed three months and in that time my

mom yeah not she never and they had

diagnosed a type of cancer very advanced and I remember

that before I'm he came he said he said I'm I'm

to say something to say a sometimes those miracles are

a trap and and my mom fell and my mom felles I

I I'm that I I I the love that me

I made feel complete my refuge, my place sure

he was he was I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm and I'm when you when you when you

when you those eyes when you I did that the man

of my dreams was there was when I of my mom,

I said, but I remember that he started to sandra the naris and the old.

In that moment, it's not the process of his endierro and all the

things funerals. She me said that have passed eight

years of that. She live in other place with a tia

but that a even of that she she she

that she that no has not done to pay the

price for what he did. And me he he so

time and I still still feeling that I'm still

tormenting because he started to think to self

lesion so then she she is in a

last constant of all this Another We're talking I'm talking

I'm this part where you encomiendas someone as someone for what you mention

about the diarito I was talking with someone and my ventania in the marketeatro

just about these rituals a person that not vener to God but

even to even they're even they're really so I'm so I'm don't want

to talk so I don't I remember if it was on or

it was in a conversation for so I want to mention the

name. But mentioned that before to do anything

to invoked to his father that's he's a

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intervening in what he was to ask. You want to ask you? No me do you want to be

to be to the audience. You think that if this this chick would have

said to God that's that's that's God he's he

no me you don't me contestes okay I'm there there are

there there there's in the comments because there there

where men of God at final they're acting in a manner like

like any other person like the people who are the people and with all the respect that are

that they're iconos of the history they're they're acting like

in a form irrational liado by the euphoria for the enoho

and they they're and they're saying and they're like they're like they're

like they they're in a way where it terminate is viviening to other persons and it's

very strange because there's people and I'll say there are saying there are people that I've conversed that even one of the

man I said oh yeah it's that I'm going to see that you can't you can't give to this way and I'm

a little risa because I'm a minute because one of the 10 mandations is no desiviras or not

you know so you don't put a thing like this but you but you when you

put you to look into the sacred scriptures, there's people that is

there people who is there and it and then it and it's like, it's like

the criteria that's that you have a person and how you know, and how

you can't you know, you know, this type of this type of miracles that kind of might be

in front of your own own and they're I've read those certain versicles and

we've talked in sergal and sustos because it was a lot of the

book of the Bible that yeah said that citas, if they're

saying, if they're recommending, just goglen, like, so it's not that I'm going to see,

but there's a story very fascinating in the Bible, the history of the story of the story,

that he makes a promise to God, and God and God says that is that but that

he'll give a time, and when he goes to a house, and when they're

a reality, because the reality, they're going to let's get piqued. There, there's a

story that I want to you to the audience, my This story I love

much because just it has a base in the Bible. And to

give more context, they're there's a story where it's considered or better

is the day of Pentecoste. And I don't know if you remember the history

but is when it's when the Spirit Santo on

the people or the church that in that in that come

in the things in the when Jesus had and all this that we know us. And,

this history is more or less of this way. Aluna

once, and I know that what is what you're to be just asking just talking

just just about there's there have some practices

where they're in languages I mean with all respect.

Yes, of the picture of the liberation that they're

in the platform roja did a movie of terror

doing allusion to that's a lot of a liberation made for a

woman that obviously I'm seen from the Christianism

that no any preparation like the the Vatican

does his but when invoked the name of

Jesus and in the moment that was that was that

was that the demonio and that the person that's

that's almost there's that and grita, Jesus, help me. And in the movie you reflect in the moment

when it's supposed to it's over her the Spirit Santo. And this woman started to

speak to learn in languages and it's when she was to reprend and she was about his own

because they're miracles and prodigios, no, says the word of the

word. Fiatte that I've been in temples or in churches where there are

these practices that you have to analyze or profundized I don't is that discarte

the possibility because if there's there's institutions that they're like you're like you're

to do you to do you do you understand that way I think I'm understood from the church or the sacred

scriptures because it's mentioned that he gets the Spirit Santo and is he is he

he propiti to one that one never has heard and you have seen even in exorcism

in cases where there there are people that is posseida and termina

talking in a idiom that has never has heard or

never have practiced this is the story of a

congregation led by not more and than less

that Elias was pastor of this church and

started was a congregation very very little and

and result that it and it starts in

numbers first is like the family is with her

mom, for there, some some subrino. And obviously

they're with this activity to propagate the evangelio. They're to pray

to the people, they're in a place, a salon where they're

doing, then the reunions, alavans, all this, and it and it's stila

much the fact of that certain institutions have this vision of we're

going to move another more because we can we're we're

we there's what the church of Elias. It begins to

grow in a manner natural, they're to talk with the people of the people of

the colony, they're to start. But there a event that mark a part of an part of

the Awas in this congregation of Elias. They were in the plent of the

alabanza and it's mentioned that he's heard a struendo in the

institution like when it's there relampagos there an struendo in the

church but it was a day solied. So, he's heard of

and when they're when they this sonido one a person

at the front of the church a man came okay

cajinkado and he comes to goer to a manner

very strange it comes to this that you mention

I mentioned to in, in something that's the end up and some in the church

imagineate that you're being evangelized in the modus in the modus in the religionism of the

evangelists that you say that you have to receive a Jesus in your heart of this,

but you don't know you know, you know, this type of this type of miracles.

So imagine that you are like people who know this and see someone that has

incated and comes to talk in a or is it's that's what you're saying, and you say,

and much people is spanta into the church that is going to because apart there's a thing,

even there's an odor that's quite grato in the place. And then after this man,

I'm going to another woman, to learn in languages. And then then the day was able to

know, I know the history that had succeeded in the the day of the Pentecoste

and he had him a group of people who were over for the people of the

church and I this is common of the institutions or at least of the churches

Christianas he had his crew of people that were for the other

he's his wife to get to his mom, get to some and they're

and they're on for the other and it and it is a very

strange in the church that was the first that was the

first and and so someone someone comes to

impone and a person is sanated a in this

moment and it propaga this. In the church of Elias, occur in miracles.

Occurring miracles when is the allowance. And obviously generate a lot of movement. It gets

more people to the church with the with the finality to obtain a miracle.

I think that all we've passed for this. It's makes more grand

in the church and the first miracle more, as much more of a

child Romina that no could have to have children with his

husband. And the mom of the wife and she's going to go out

for this woman. And resulta that all the good news that they are going to

get a lot of the church. And so a person that not could come in a

woman who used a handadderer and he starts to come a

through this middle when this was a recurrent to be the point to

the person in the that's He's like a struend in

and then and then they were to start to learn in languages. Okay.

They're to happen to do more miracles, get to more people.

But then then then all the contrary. Romina to his

three months of the end of the baby. The

man the woman that was she had been in

the they didn't even be able to be able to a sea of Ruedas. Like, all the inverse.

Yes, yeah, the miracle. Ah, and Elias. He's asked what is going to

see what you there's a fencing, it's an oasis where God is doing his miracles.

What is what's going to the people? Incluso the news of that the woman

that was coming in sonadera that regress to get the of the life.

Romina starts to end up this part of this part of that it's to chuparse

for so and so it's put very grave and all the women that were receiving

these these miracles commencing to start but you know

that this story result that when comes this inverse

of miracles result that a woman gets to the church

and alias he has really much the attention

because was a woman an Anciana that all the time

had a vestia in black and she was very

mysterious even the mom of he says no I'm

like that I'm don't see you you know

that when she when she gets she and when she

got Romina per his baby when she when she came

when she she did her her and Lias is

in this part of I'm going to let me because I'm to resting

the access to a person but in however his wife and his mother had like

this part there is there's there's a weird because when she when she

when she does the miracles so so then then

so that that order so you know I

don't want I want to enter that and the

and the and the in Elias. De-pronto I saw that a woman was doing

a special ritual to terminate with the congregation. But never he'd the rostro.

So, it's a day, and this woman, and this manifest again

in the church, and he says, a person of the congregation, is that

you don't enter. And she says, but why me's negating the access?

If I don't nothing. This is a graded that has

to get a pastor to to talk because is altering the order. For this,

much people to go to go to go to the church. Imagineate that you're going to

some miracles and so that those miracles, and even much people to get

to get to to get to get to the people. The people of the church and what you want to

is that there is that's that's so you and then he says who is

who is you and why every every that you appear, suede all the contrary

to a miracle. I don't want to you're not that you're the cancer of this institution. And the

woman says, I only came to observe what was going to see what was going to see the

miracles. Incluso me they call the attention because I know to your mom

and your mom and you have some practices very similar maybe not you have done but the

mal is in your own house no manches Elias no entient because he he's saying

this is this this woman and he's I'm going to say something and never I'm going to you have

done that all the people that are who are getting are getting are born

for them are done for them okay so then Elias he's but me

they're the attention because my mom when Romina when Romina fell unbarasada

o'er for her and then then they then they and they and they they're

and they're that what's that's that you don't know who's he said

I know no no no no no well for not not be

more the story result that the mom of Lias

was a brouca. And it was very strange because Elia knew that

his mom not very much to the practice that they had in the

church. So, but because he lived under the house of the

house of her but it was a person that every that every

that was like these were like these chupabit. She she

she was she had to ran these miracles and absorb

those for her. He'd be the enemy in the house of the pastor. I go

I go I'm a mod Christian al-full I'd say that that person definitely

the pastor not had the discernment in no, in no in any moment, he's

entered of that he was around of something no. And apart this

this sensation of the impotency no of the of to know that is your

own mother the that's causing the problems in a church

that you are you are doing or you want to you know I'm I'm a

story that you that's that's he said in a one a chapter

in a couple of something something something I'm going to repeat

so that you do this opinion because precisely when even I

had I had I called a man commenting the vivances paranormal that he

to him, a little and a his wife and I'm so like, oh, la,

how much, and when he said, but I see, but I see, but I see who you know, he's doing,

so, but I'm, well, well, well, I'm, well, I'm,

well, it's that I'm not, because it's my mom, but, but, but so,

and I, and then, and then you, and then, and then, no, no, well, it's my

my mom, how I'm going to to be able to my mom. And I'm like, oh, yeah, and your

and your wife, yeah, but it's my mom. The mom is the mom, so then.

So, no, no, that's not so not. How you're going to do you to do you

to your wife and a a child, no? Yes. And you say, no, no, it's not, is that

you know, Or do, do you say, I said, alegette, bette there. No, no, I can't be able to be my mom. And you're, oh, man, Jesus.

What's the thing about this? I mean, I've mentioned in, it's regal in sustos. My family is a banicco

very ample of creencers. My abolita has a practice also very different to what pap and mom

have seen in the house, and we've learned to separate one to the other. I know my abel

so has for there his rituals and even. Even I have asked, and I've

or maybe here when they're at least I'm going to my abel over the and this

why this this is for this is for a kind of this way even he has said, me has asked

and I'm going to say the form of my my abel at the last I asked me

I'm and I'm and I don'tamently he said I'm the oldie I'm the church and

I'm almost he says a bit don't you have you you have the faculty

says although you don't pertens or you you don't you have a

to be able to bendicir what you you have to maldecy it. So, then I said for there some procedures to be able

to make sure, you know, you're going to get to get this and not going to say what I'm to do you

do you have to you get to this is, because this yeah, it was used because this yeah,

I know, I mean, I know, I don't know, because I know every way to my

mother, I, I, see those things that he uses to use

that I but never I'm, but never of that, oh, okay, are your practices, or my my abhorre, is it's a bad, no, I have the truth absolute. But at the final, if it's interesting to know how function are this type of

things independently, the credence that we have. Sure, definitely. I want to tell you yet my ultimate story, Oscar, that the parted, one person that I'll say until, right? Let's, go, we're going to guard that part of the final.

And it's the story of Lorenzo and Berenice. they're two just like your second story is a story that occurred

in a sense of a christian evangelical, not Catholic like my other two stories.

They're pastors of a little church in a people that in a couple in a little bit of

tuxtepec no I don't mention which is me said they're not they're they're not

they're two have a three practically I'm going to describe the context. It's

his house, your house has a cochera that practically

the cochera form a part of the church because it's the church in

see. So, better said, the church form a part

of the house. So, so there is a little little

people. And as they were in this process of the faith. You know,

you mentioned as you're trying more and to get and

growing, and well, they were more or then they had a

time that had been being being pastors. They're they're they're

they're a domino precisely there's the alabance the administration the Christians are going to

say more or less what I'm to say when when we're going to and all this and

they're to come in a woman that was well, no, no it was

not common to do it was the first that they were the first that the person

because the woman was the It was that was passing the bad moments. It was very sad, very palid, extremely delgated. So, they'd be in much the muscles of the rostro. And like, it was kind of bad.

In that moment, Berenice, the pastor, Baja, and she's got to her. And in that moment, impone hands and he began to orar for her. During the moment of being praying and all this, Berenice, the pastor, took a vision

where was carrying this woman like a baby, but the baby not was not he was

and this woman was when he was when he was then she she was

a lot of a lot of because intuio that this woman had been to have a son

and for so he was he came to the church so that's it

was practically of much And in that moment I still Orando For the And of the

And of the woman Well, there's Persons that reaction in form different When they're

When they're They're But this She said My Minia And like She des Vanessa The Paster

Verenice She did And so She did So it's More or More or More than

For That it that was that it was a a child that had been and you like the and you know,

it's been that the woman was going and the typical, not the normal,

yeah she's better. And in that moment the woman agradese and she

is very strange. Passed a time and it came again again the day

of the church and again. And normally, they'd lookia different.

Yeah not was a demacrata yeah see that maybe

if I could do not to be to be a lot of I'm in this moment

they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they

said they said they did they all the question was a little more

more more this this woman is a pastor

venice and he and he says thank for your

question she she she's here and she he said

a very very he did very extrano she to

do you I'm to you know he's not he's he's

but he said when this this woman he he said

he said a he a kind of a and a time

they they started to live things very so

number one was the pastor uh bernice and

his and his person Lorenzo yeah to go to

do they are the and in she He started

like what many we've experienced as a problem and he's to have

a much fear. In that when I turn to a corner to see a a little

and then he was he was he's spanted and it was her her her

and in that moment he said he's you know you're you're you

you're so the little she said that had had gone to

have gone to take someone that was in the church I was let's

we're we're in the cochera of your house and in that Lorenzo the pastor

he's very rapidly preending the luses and he started that someone to get

to get to robar but no he didn't nothing that was that's

he did so he's he's very strange they started in that moment to

learn to they're to get the third doming

this woman just no went and just when the

pastor Berenice was doing the sermon, about for all the

people, see a a little a little in the church

this this was a almost as how had

looked that the first the she was very

demacrada of the rostro the the wos of

his and his hair had a vestidito a

very quite strange as an old but the

and the strange is that his eyes they look they

don't be completely part of there and she interrupted

what she was about and in that he

made the and he did the and he said reprend all

spirit immund that that want to come in

this moment so his husband, I was the sermon that was doing

like, oh, what's going to what's going because you are saying that she's saying that

she's not, in this moment that's that there was there was never the cult and the

termed, the question, and in that moment when they were they were in

family, he's to get a little his little his Elisa and

said, Mom, I also I'm I'm I'm How?

See, to a a little. He had entered to the church. Then he kept there and I

came to be so he he said, that he said, that he had seen, that was now he

was coming to her. In that moment, well, they, as pastors and as

parents, they were because they thought that someone probably he was doing something

and they were doing for their his She began to get a oration

very very for his but he's he's he's

not a and that now I'm that I'm I'm like that that I'm

talked about yeah about it had been a little with Elisa the

little of six years because that the people in the

church see how she she was she was looking

looking and the nothing saying things things strange

and in that moment those parents preoccupated and they're you're saying you're you're saying but they're

like the little they're saying and she and she says I'm going to say but not they're not

she wants a Lucrezia Lucrezia is the woman of the first the woman that was

the woman for the she said and she says and she she wants her my woman

about of the a time. Sometimes she gets with me

when I go to the school and she and she get

in the temple to to and now she is

my friend and she in this moment they

they start because they are like understanding that

the mal is that is a but and

to give a confirmation very certain receive the

visit of one of the matrimonies more more and

faith, also leaders of this church, his name Joel and Maria,

and they get preoccupied to talk with the pastors, and they say, we've

been doing for you've had been certain revelations for part of God

and we we've seen that we've seen that something that's very, very very

certain of their and they're they're saying, a new but they're no

no it's a no it's a moment be like a vision because they're

they're in a vision that the the woman for that they're they're

the first was was carrying what was a baby the same

vision that had seen I'm but that this woman

he was that this baby to a his her

and she and she she he and in some

movement the sabana can but no there was

a statue of the santa death and in

that they they they they they and this

matrim and they did they they're they not not

not no no no and in the vision they

they still to see that that that stua

the little Elisa and the little bit of her in that moment they're they're going

to be in their little bit more they're going to be behind the camera and they they're a

statue of the Santa Morte when they're when they they're

to get to to cry to to say no no let's my my amy not you

don't you do you do you don't you let's let's they're the church. In that moment, the

ninja, yorand, he said, I found in the patio of the church, and me he said that we're just amigas. From, from this moment, they desiciered

of that image, started to talk with her, to and even they asked here the matrimonial that also, but that guard them,

but they'd discretion, no, they'd that the church was enterer of what they were like pastors

they were living years years after for so no I mean he's

said that he's said I'm being a my my name even

to my parents don't they I have I've seen I'm

no no manjes he put the milginit imagine imagineate

you look in the there in the house of his kids

I think it's something I me impression because

The Santa Morty, we've talked about, and I mean, it's a name, not it's because it's a saint.

Yeah, but I've heard just about that there's that there's that you mention that the manifest and

you say or he's, or he's, and it and it's for you in the sense of that she

it's not like I I'm going to be a devote of, because we have talked even with

Jesus of Nazareth, salutes, that that's that's that's And it's

And it's quite rare Like a A man Or in this case Yeah, I'm

still being Devote of the Santa Morte Pesee that his papas

are pastores That's That's Yeah, so good history, yeah

Yeah, so I'm emotional This, I'm I'm going to tell a story

I'm a Last rato you about you You have about Christ of a

Christ, the Christo of And I'm I'm I'm a history of a Christ

not of Tatiland but if is in another church this this story

is of Anna Luisa Anna Luisa is a a chica that is a a

particular and then a invitation for like I know the things they get

an invitation to go to another church not to where

regularly she she and she was emotional because she

she is she go with Christi and like You know, the majority of this type of events,

well, is more like to socialize, start with chavos that tryen, like, the same, the same bust, or, maybe, this, well, the practice Catholic, and the past, you know, and the person knows of that people. But what he

calls the attention to Anna Luisa, or, more than, what he incommoda is the Christ of that is. Okay. Because it was a Christ a much more grand, much more imponent, and

for if the image of Jesus Christ in the cross, is aesthetic, is trenebrosa. And is that there are ones that are in time real and that have well, there's details that are quite artistic, that make imponent.

Well, just as you know you mentioned, as if it was this image of Jesus Christ, it was a scale, and it was very, very, very strong the image to be there a Jesus Christ

so then these activities and they were there in this activities and every time that was over the church

and I observed and observed and I was about there was this sensation like of fear

he was observing and then and then they're there an activity and Annan Luisa was

coming and he's kept looking to the church and commenced advance

and he is there observing because something he brought like

a man he he had the and he

he and this figure of this and here

is like I would do you see you

see you and you see and you don't

see clearly how his cross gira oh oh the

best and says Anna Luisa that when when

be this she back the rostro and begins to have a

feeling a fear more than more than fear because it's a image

very very so Anna Louisa is totally submisa against

the movements that is this image or this statue

of Jesus and see how it's a language

like and and this he has a temor

impression at this that's going to the church and she

and she begins to rest because not know if this is a miracle

or all the contrary but now imagine you see the image the image

of Jesus Christ that's moving and that of his lapio

out of a language like she were like she

she she she she And, of and of he gets a to come down

to come in back. But he's that you can't go to the church, in that's

in that's clearly how some of the clavos can't to the and he and the

image of Jesus came coming to her. A beastia! And she try to

get to get to but it can't get to the church like

is in this Voltae to where is the water and see

it's like if it's in evision he's he's he's

but no can't and and of the long to start

the Psalm 91 and she she needs and she needs

and this part or at this figure of Jesus is back

to she was totally is church. And you see that in the

Psalm 91 mention that you'll say you endar's in Valle of Sombra and she heard this

part where this is she's trying to repeat this Salmo, this is what supposedly is

Jesus he says that has been there in Valle of Sombray and of death and

that she will be there. De Pront they can much voices

and ridos, gritos, and she is immobile, yeah is totally immobile, she sees the and those

and they're totally tisos, like if something they were subjecting. This is the version of Anna Luisa.

The version of Christi, Christi mentioned that Anna Luisa can't front of the temple or

the church and he and he's looking to the image of Jesus. in that moment

she commenced to come in a animal and she's to be a rastraar to the church

and she when she'll observe her and he all the people that are the people

that are the retiro and when they're to enter to the temple or to

the church Christi observe how Anna Luisa is in the

altar below the image of Jesus Christ and see how is retortering your friend. And, and get to the people and start to see what

is going to get a little of a little bit of and try to rocearsely. And someone is citing the Psalm 91.

But it was the only that was going to while that was retorcing front to the

image of Jesus Christ. And there had been other other thing very different.

And someone says or someone mention this part of that I'm

in the case of this mind you don't be in any of no

because I'm you I'm let me let us a Anna

Luisa of all possession demoniac in this moment Christy

see how he's something like a black of the

back of Anna Luisa so so so so

she and observe all all and the people

that and the people and Volta to be to see to see what what's and what's

being able to be able to another image sacra but the experience that she has totally the

reverse. She was being like a manifestation demoniac or to a Jesus Christ like if

was used but in reality the that was having a influence demoniac

was she was she was being liberated by the image of Jesus that

was that he was the story of how was liberated of a influence of demoniac with only observe an object

sacro that he was a fear yeah it was a repulsion in reality that's actually there's a

type of phobia that is that is that is that is we've done with much respect

I said in this is these are these are these are stories that the people

we're we Because if we're in this part of the anonymato, but are stories that, at final of the public us has to get and that we're here we're doing voice to all of them. And what theme so strong,

how did you know, I mean, I've got to the stories. I mean, from the point of view as an observer, right? Never more. I'd like to be a protagonist of this.

We're going to hear this. Bearing our next protagonist, Oscar, thanks for being with us others. We've got to your social.

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