EXTRA ANORMAL - LIVE: Los Warren el caso sin resolver FT. Antonio Zamudio| No Es Normal.TV

Episode Date: May 25, 2025

LIVE: Los Warren el caso sin resolver FT. Antonio Zamudio| No Es Normal.TV

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now every Saturday here with all you, in our in-vivo so special. Family, really, me does much good to salute to all the community of podcast extra an normal and the community

of Agents of Negro that also because we're a super in-vibo where we're going to try to try to desmenusar one of the

things more pedidos and what I agree to say of all the things that we've talked of the investigators

of the Warren is the case for excellency me I think more complicated, more

to narrate these actions that occur in the man of an expert of a person very special but

I'm going to presentar because first I'm the presentation of this case. Adelante

production for favor. Welcome to a new entry of No is

normal the section of extra normal where we're submerged in the

runcones more dark of the unexplicable today we have to West

Pittston Pennsylvania where a tranquil family, American's American, lived, according his own words, a autentica

a pesadilla. What was with a mudance prometedora was a battle a day against the unknowled,

olores fetid, ruidos impossibles, sombras that were on the passillos, and the

poor, attacks physical that, according they were in entities demoniacas.

We're talking of the family Smurl, One of the expedients most inquietants that came to Ed and Lorraine Warren, the investigators paranormal most famous of the century 20,

was this a case real of infestation demoniac, suggestion collective, or a montage mediatric, apag the lights, sub the volume, and prepareate, because this, definitively,

not is normal. Well, for that you know, family, what we have for you this night, one of the cases more fustes that we're going to try to do

all the variants, of these hypotheses that are around of the case of the Smur, one of the cases more and for this

night, me complacent much present to a person very special, excellent investigator, a person

that has dedicated practically all your life, to the studio of the phenomenon paranormal

and that Actualment is the Director of the Agency Mexican of Investigation Paranormal. The Mr. Antonio Zambuio, how is you? Amigo, it's an honrado, honor to be with Paco Arias in his studio, and not only only here,

but also talking stories that always defiant to the racioscine, to the conception of the investigation paranormal, as you have been saying. And, well, these mysteries of the Warren,

this and other cases more, my. Amigo, I'm going to I'm talking about before I'm starting to start

this grabation but for that the people that are knowing, I would like for favor I know that

many people have seen in great productions even you know there's great productions

in platforms like Netflix who who are you look Anthony Samudio is an studioso

of the phenomenon paranormal for yeah 30 years from the

foundation of the The Agency Mexican Investigation Paranormal, I have practically 30 years, exactly, a little bit more, counting. Wow. We're talking about the second organism. I always talk of the second organism of investigation that's indole, because the first organism for us, invariably, is the founded by Francisco and Ignacio

Madero, which is the studio psychics of Coahuila. although many people know some the context of Francis and Madero for us

a bit of a lot of you know as a way of the investigation and I in the

94 base to all the influence that me is exercised via bibliographic

and influence also of studies I formal a organism like is the

agency and today for today for today for 30 years I'm

a lot of questions and imagine I have a question for

you because I've something you're talking and precisely

today we we're one of the cases that we've got in the channel

the case of the family of Smur led by the demonologists Ed and

Lorraine Warren you you've you've talked with you

that's important to say it we're we're we're we're

our SPR Society Psychica for Research for there

in 96 for in 98 99 we're we're very involved

with agencies of different agencies international and agencies national and agencies national. Principally

international is we know a Ed and Lorraine Warren we know we're talking about that not is like to know we involucramos

those cases in the which also they were investigating certain phenomena those other certain

phenomena and in the SPR is like an agremiado of various institutions of the

which we we can't we share we hypotheses There we've known a New England Psychical Research, which is practically the agency paranormal of Los Warren. And, of there we parted,

from the phenomenology that they've investigated, not tanto the demonology, but more than poltergeist or infestations of casas and such situations in that way, that we're also we're most we're at level national in the 2006 approximately, we just had this good relation with them and us

got an material that's called the endemoneado of Conettico Okay, the case of Conettico I know

more to the Warren for that case, evidently we have as we have a behind

of all what they've done what they're the case more prominent that is the Amityville is practically

the that all the that all everybody should but this in this case of the

Smurf we we know us we've heard more than other other thing

for the phenomenology for us for us the infestations demoniacas influences demoniacas and bucles

bookles that conform are passing the years and the people are invulandos vinculating with

these phenomena can be attacked by these these same bookles but this we're going going to

get over we're going to start because the case of the family Smur the case

that is the only the only case that the Warren not did come

that that's a lot of I can say obviously there's more

cases that the Warren not couldn't culminate but it's one

of the cases more those are defiant are they

are exactly a despite to for some for

others not those are those were cases that even

I don't know doing the investigation of the case

going It's going to be the ultimate entry of the movies of the concurro. I think it's of the last

saga of the Conjuro. What I say to say to say a whole people that you're listening,

as I'm going to listen to the trincher of an investigator. No, you're doing a case. A case

of an normal, not conclude that's a thing, there out of that they're saying,

okay, San Jose Amudio, yeah no me pass to this, that's not

a conclusion of a case. Of course. More it's a ante-sala

to that person to have been that's un-vinculars with a

case. The place, in where there's such as there's any of the person who has

a change of the house, then it doesn't not. But to the

next but at the that's that you Samudio and if you're going to pay

much, much that the people hear this opinion of a person expert like

you? What is? What is? What is, because I'm investigating certain

cases of the Warren and I want to mention something I'm going to divide the

the movies and we're going to divide the cases reales the

real estate my respects for the directors for the job so

of the really my respects there is no I'm it's

fiction is a film and they're so so

what so in the life for example of No, there was a conclusion.

The people that came to live in this house, passed many things as the case that's the case that makes

famous the case Amityville after the tragedy, the family that gets to live to be to live to be that, but then

they're not. Well, no, there's nothing for those families. Exactly. What happens there?

What good point to have done? Amitivil is recognized as one of the cases more prominent of Warren's. So, but not

only because they've documented the fact, but they were the proper that usually they used. I'm, for example, I'll talk

rapidly about the case with a family influenced by a demonio, where Ed and Lorraine Warren, intervene in the

ambitonological. It's saying, they have seen in a moment of how to do how to doggos

or desalojos of infestations demoniacas. In their version, oh, Guiaus to the religion Catholic and

they're using elements like the exorcism. That's no those demerita they're doing in that way. Two, the

documental of the case can be very controversial a very public and the fact the case of what is

Amitiv was very mediatica. Demacial. Also. Also, there have been detractors in

all the life of the investigators. Always have been a kid who says no, no, no

it's I'm not, but many them of them some of them simply

redacted by the history of the principal. No do the job

that's the great difference I'm I'm not as the knowledge of the cause those Gorren

did do you did that's another thing that you did you you know with us

with us we've we've we've been a investigation of camp and it's very

different it's very it's very very to be to be to learn and

to be in the other to the other of view controversial or

no, we could desestimals if not we've done we've done what they're doing.

It's so I'm how I can prove that is false duplicating the fact that if I

don't put duplicating or I don't talk to that's false. And so here in

China, in context is if the science is perfectible imagine the phenomenon

paranormal is still still more perfective so there there

are there with us as a vocabok us for just to say, okay, could be a hallucination of a person,

could be a explanation totally logically of the ruidos that are in turn of the place, or it can be all the

kind of a natural, but it's a natural, not only the rationalion of the investigator,

but even also can be a video grabado. Exactly. That's the great difference.

Okay? I, I'll tell one of all the cases that I've seen of Warren,

I I'm involved more in the Connecticut because we're present us in the

television for permission of them and we've seen in video a

national as a family was tormented for something that is a demonio

and not only influence there there were phenomena of poltergis in vivo

and in direct. It's so they're they're cameras even even of

television because that material is of other television so that

was the reporters They were in those Gorren doing his labor and you and in direct how he moved

the seat to a little in a little in a chair in a chair in a chair in the traveseion that's a very

very strong so it's in the moment and ojo in this then they're video cameras VHS

imagine I'm I'm talking what you what you're talking you know if you

let me let me let's let's let's present the case of this night

the case that happened precisely in West Pittsburgh in In 19973, if I help a production, for

favor, with the first image because just it's the last, that's the ultimate, that's the

first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first. For

d'artes a note principal, ah, yeah, it's the , no, no,

it's the that says Mudanza at the West Pistone, the he has been in 19703,

for favor. For d' not a note principal, In the case, in the case of what is Amity and Bill are the Lutz.

Yes. The family of Lutz? Uh-huh. Correct. So, this is. Look, this case, justly,

like the grand majority of the cases of the, of the, of the Warren, suede just when a family is a mud,

when a family always are certain factors of that is a case that is a good price, that's very

very barata and it is a a house a much a house where a house where

a family and possibly has a a past a dark in the case of the

house that rents the family is Moore because the well they come

and the company Jack and Janet his wife and his kids and the family

of Jack get and they're they're at this house that well at I don't know

like the opportunity of any family to start to start of zero, great dreams, grand dreams, grandes,

does the desire to trainar a house new? Sure. And, I mean, I just

I'm just I'm just to find to find out that's in those cases? Exactly. Nobody.

Nobody. So, they never thought, never, never, they thought that this

could, I don't see, to some the form affect those spiritually even physically

physically, as a way to let me a little about this context where the

families get a a car or rents a house rents an immueble and is

infestated for something we need to remind us to the cases most

antivable paco the the phenomenon of polterghis is movement

in reason apparent of objects and the the significator real. The Spirit Ruidos. It's a word

Almanahe that's a Holterner Haist. Heist of Spirit, portent of the

movement or ruidoso. It's a spirit ruidos. And that concept was

acuio by 1900 and Cachito. Because in in Germany you

could you don't find out a property without a fiatte

a valvator of the property and two a chaman

a witcher or spiritist or that you could define and if the house was

enbruged or no. It's in serious, okay. So, so, so,

so, so, so, so, so, practically in this then they're

saying, okay, a judge could even infringinging a pen to the person that were

a property that had a infestation of a moniac spiritual. So he was informed the new

dwean, for so those prices relatively economic. Yes, are very properties

very grand, that had had been some actually that's

evidently some evidently some some desivisid or things so.

Fugate that curiously in the United I was

I'm talking with people and there the people

have the obligation to to say to the

people if were there there were there was

the word that we have to use that

I didn't I didn't it was des so that's a phantasm is a

vivicidious. Yes, we're, we're we're going to try and to put to transmit this

information without that they're not really they're not they're in a lot of but in

places, but in the places Mexico and Mexico and other places, well, no,

Mexico with that they're that they're not going to be done the last more furs

that I'm in a a fact tragic, I've got it many times, but the house was abandoned until

that's the duke and the daughter remodeled to the department, the house, and is where I get to rent.

So, this me will be attention because the case of the family Smurr so it's pretty similar

to how occur in the actions and infestations. The family gets, never can't imagine what

going to happen, but the house has something, the house alberga something

that Precisely, we're not? In the case, in the case, Murr, we're, we're about of something much more more dangerous? At the grade of what, to be more demoniac?

Let's, let's, let's make emphasis in this concept. One thing is, a spirit, Chocarrero, which is what we're talking, of a

species of Poldergais, a spirit who, for your comportment, or for his bookle, or right I'll explain that so, is how it

is how it's disvivio to form part of the space and time of the place in where he's desvied. And another

thing very distinct, are events of spirits much more of a grader more high or demonious.

Here is what we're talking. Here we about the demonios. Okay. We'll help you. me help you know, with the

thing is the phenomenon's pranormals, because. Piecese strange. You know, we know, we have the classic, the noise, malos, olores. That's, the theme of the malosolors not

always is present. Solely, I've seen in cases where we're talking, where's in an entity demoniac, the malosolors.

Something very particular of the case of the Smur is that those, the electric domestics, the televisions, the lamparas,

all, what is the electrical, it's, it's a fallar, even it's about that they're going and the

good as primaries and one of the ventilators he'll play the head to the head and yeah,

and well, he provoked for there an accident then so he's been to be that situation.

The television of the nothing explode, the nada explode, without even connected to the

current. So, here we We're talking about What's the mood? When we this response, justly,

it's going but we have this level of damages, even for there the people

mention the investigation that also that were somebos that were certain visions,

but the most was the failure of the things electric. There

two points important, Mikisim Paco. One, how are the

phenomena? Who is the receptor? primary. It's said, in all the family, I

imagine that I'm going to the kids. I imagine that in the kids was like the first vincus,

what is what does it, call me entity, or let me the power, energy, or how you can

to make it, or even demonio, that you try to do that person, for that

person, that person can get to get to attention, is that I do you take a little,

I don't know for your name, for your person, in the moment, the attention, I

you yeah I'm in a vinkul. Is that who are exercising those actions or those phenomena

paranormal is is conscious of what is doing. Not we're not we're not we're talking about a spirit common,

we're talking we're talking that's the exercise of your attention to put your attention to put your

doing more things. In the second plan, the intervener over the apparats

electronic electrics, this means for the electrostatic electromagnetic, electromagneticactism Yes, is.

If there's an energy medible of these spirits, just a spirit common or demonio, if could exert a variant in the electrostatic

or in the electromagnetism. This is the monitor or television that is plotow, that's impressive because the

force should have been very, very, very very, very very, exactly. Valga the redondance.

It's a force very strong, it's a force capable to revent a scintopio of a

televisor. Of course, the television that is like the we have seen as like the television of the years of 70. Of those that had a sceniscopio

and that even they had bulls, me exactly. So, that's that even without being connected

to the current, explode, that a lampara like just very similar. Of course, we have many

in the studio, that are very similar. The telea, the lampara, the most we don't have

the ventilator up. Now, take in account that conception, the apparatus

electronic or electric of those then, we're in other system, other technology,

not like now, like they are led, are these kits of electronic, you know,

like these chips and all the thing. In that then, it was all over

cable, conductors of these of these systems cableados of and all

and they're in a variant electric, electrostatic apaco, evident

they can provoke those things, but not the degree of the explosion. That is a rarrow. Now,

my, after this, just after that they're in the phenomena that the family in

this point now detects that something not is a new house, that something not is going correctly,

yeah they're going getting certain things. The family yeah started to notar

that not they're all alone they're not they're when they when they the electromagnetism,

the energy, the presences, the visions, and the explosions, conformed BAPAS, because this case, I'm mentioner, no, it's

not a one, nor two, nor three years. It's almost a 15 years, man, for that the family

is out of that house. So, I'm talking, that this, they got them, they got,

they're, you know, the fact of that the things were, that the things were that the

normalized them, I'm too. I'm saying, I mean, I'd have to retroced the time and to look just

the why normalize it. No. I feel that also involve a much the influence of the house.

Also, it is there's there's a energy fluctuant when when we develop a vinculation,

when we're about the vinculations of that there's a receptor, a testivo principal

and acace all the phenomena. When they obtain these these receptors what does

the effect paranormal The energy paranormal is involver to all, to all of them, I imagine, Paco,

that more than to normalize it, more well, not they could get to that house. The same

house does, well, the same that it has provoked to all this. Incluso there,

there could be variants of all type. Tantos of the people, as far as the person.

Sure. Tantto also even, even, malasuertes, or this conception

of that we have getting more in the job, I'm going to change me. I'm a other cases that

we've investigated in Mexico, but also me sound a little, a little at level personal when I had I

had four years of age and we'd be able to a house where my father not could end up the house or

Y, the house new. So, no we could be going to be me explained. And it was more the

submission and I'm trying to do this, but I don't see, me to build

this, me I'm going to, yeah, I'm going to let me go on the part of my mother,

go-nones, and he, the part of my father, wait a I'm a tantito, no I can,

but is that this case yeah, you know overpaces. I think is a thing more

that the house or not the house, what there in the house. What there is

what it is what of the person to the person for to maybe not normalizing

it, Paco. Fidate that even he's even by saying that the

people that are that are affected and that are living in a house infested are affected, not only only, as we're talking,

but also, psychologically, the people tenden to suffer depression. And is that I remember what I was, when I took to live in a house

where, no, there was a demonia, but if we're, of a spirit, because if you do a much, the flojera, at the start

to be a cost, no, you want to do you, not want to do get, you back. Yeah, so, yeah,

that's, that's, something primordial like the acer to give, darts a

bit a do a do a get a try to work that's a thing is a thing is a

horrible and is that's all right and also of your energy now

my friend after this that this starts to happen to normalize eventually

what what happens I consider that the entity or the spirits are

going alimenting, until in a point where they can get to do you, to talk,

physically? Yes, what the is that's the catalyster, I'm, insist, to the catalyzator

that's, in all the testivo principal. Mm-hmm. Is that it could be that,

in the case of one of the two have been that maybe was a

fact of not only not only not only give them form to those visions. Sure.

One thing is that I see a under the rabble of the eye. So, over the

radio of the eye, a silhouette and other is that after my presence, it's a

materialized that I could distinguish rasgues, forms of gesticulation, and all this type of

things, like if were a vision of a person. What is what would be a

much time and these manifestations and these are the revusnance manifestating

to be a form more not notoria. That the The fact of the materialization is that in second

plan, and it's coexisting with you. Okay. In all case, in those moments,

what is you're going to is that you are going to to your space of time. No, you're not

you're in the space of them. One, principally is that I've abit the house and

in the house there things raras. There is different. It's different. It's, I'm, I'm

into the space of time, of what is encapsulated there, and I'm co-existient with this.

What mean A bucle, for so I said the bookles, the person that was dead desvivated in a form

tragic, will repeat continually that bookle. Is that if the person lamentablely per die of

the life of a form colding, then the process of the going to

be to revere who be even in the house. Although the entity spiritual

is reviving or repitient those satches, from the back to the

from the from the way to get the work, from the process is a booker.

So, so who is the property with this type of energies, will repeat

that will feel the psychoemotion of the person that is doing the process

of the arrohation in the carda. When I when I know when I know

when I know the psychomotions of the entity spiritual Amigo, no

I'm talking strachament of the psychomotions of the person a testigo. I did

a prologue for a great-a-migue of his book, Veracluss, of this Jose Antonio

Roddan, a Spanish who wrote about the legends of Veracruus. And I did the

prology about the psychology of the spirits. Me said, in serious Samudio? I said, they're in

a psychology, I go, for supposed. Because that psychoemotion that's that's

reagged in space time, I'm not I'm not only the fact, for example, in the case of the

desvivisida, that's a rogered, but I'm not I'm talking and I'm trying to perceive in their psychomotion, what processes

emotional is past, before to give the desvivida, me explained? And in those moments, there psychomotions

variated, desolation, trestesa, what is the submission of the own depression, the, the repentiment, the culp,

Sentiments negative. Sentiments where the desvivicida you know and is decided to do it.

However, there's an attack totally of the psychomotion. If a person is in the

boucle of the desvivicida, in the process of the repetition of the

in this bookle, we are a repetition of an scene continue okay?

And it's a infinite. That person will send these psychoemocions that

sent to that person that desivio. Energetically, we'd say, vibra to the same frequency? To understand it a little

better, the vibration is similar. You're acoplas, exactly. But, but a psychoemotion,

is that the individual will feel the desolation, the tristence, the abandon, blah, blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like you you said, no I don't want to work, no

I don't want to me, I feel more rar or me I feel very bad. For, even there people

Paco, that get to dimensioning the things are people that get to be,

they're getting to get in before possibly a ropero where it's

they're looking the ventana and they submergen to a kind of hypnosis like to

hypnosis like to think to think to do they're in in vacios totally

powerful after after after this I'll help in production with

the next image for the that is increment demoniac

because just here is where the events physical are in other

level. There's there's an image that's repitio where yeah

literally the cell the commedor or that is a image real

so the yeah the yeah the things yeah it was a level

polter is a pretty but at the family in talking

of the father of family of Jack and Janet, his husband, suffered attacks physical,

but of the side intimate, we're going to those and one of

the things that one of the case is that the mascot a perro, a pastor a man

that's pretty beautiful, a very was projected against the

parted. Yeah. So the perro is there firsts, the per the perro is

abentated is projected directly to the part and for the night's

the father of family and the mother of family, Jad and Yannet, and they're to have

these attacks in-timore. Intimous. And just exactly at the same time that they were

experimenting this, above in the cell, it was like if had a, like if

someone was doing and desacient and at backer and they'd find their house made

a turn that was like all implode all. But when to see

present. A very there are phenomena of the questions we've

talked about in some occasions here with Paco and other in the channels

that we have stories of podcasts subscribe subscribe where here is

the point to another version of the book

is that that person that is repetitive making

your own their own there there other that

they're defasance of that, of that bookle, and in his, we're going to put

a restquisio of the notoriety of the state, is to the conscience of who are in

this moment atoradas, they're being conscientious. The problem of the conscience, Paco,

in an entity spiritual, or demoniac, or demoniac that's usually are concerned but in an entity

spiritual, that can be influenced even by a demonio, can exert damage about the

people, like you said, they're not so they're not that's they're in

the need, but more well, they can't exercise that they're over the other person.

And the attack, yeah, when they're they can talk, that they can't do you

when I said, uh, me, me aterra, Antonio, I'm very investigator,

but the man, he aterra more the entity spiritual of a little than

a adulto. And many people say, but how Samudio, so it's a man,

because imagineate if in his conscience of the new, is your a juget? Imagineate.

Imagineate, no, how, you can't get to be in a state of vulnerability because they're playing with you.

At the end of the day, if the child, he says, ah, I, do you start, ah,

I, I, I, the psychology of the new, not? Actua as as well, and it's

in the bookly. In the case of the Smurfs, of the Warren, you're

you're talking of a cumul of many things and attacks physical. When there a attack physical,

intimate, that's what why do you go? Why do you do that the type of attacks? For that we

are trying to understand how they are the activities spiritual and what is the classificator

Paco for all the people who is listening of how define and

different and different certain different and manifestations of

the spirit. If it is spirit if it demonio can do

the exercise of the Dejation. The vexion not only consists in that I

do you to make you to submerges in a depression. Not only consists in I'm going to make

see that not in this life. I'm going to exercise I don't say the word, but

we're talking about the exercise grotesco over of other person. Intim. Uh,

not only only the intimate, my but I refer to the oppression.

Yeah. For not to say the the word view. Okay. I can't exertor and

I can behart to even more. Imagineate that that person that maynees and that she's a bejada

in this manner in his state anymical. And not only the married, the spouse, and

we know we know that other other people. Sure. But, but, a very,

but, for example, this type of demonios that have this fact, that have done

to make a thing, intimo that is with the bi-gion

lacion they're cataloged just like incubus is that depending a incub

and a encubes they're a form different a incubo and a

subcubus you do you goces of that of that type of attack

if is an attack because it's in contra but but the

sucubo and the incub prefer many that you you take

to those deletes those delirios and there there can be a possible retroalimentation of the incubu

and sucubu. A difference of a demonio Chucarerrero or a spirit of Chucarerrero, like the case of Warren, that symbolizes the attack subversive over to a person at the level physical. Okay. Is this this iser, this energy, eligued

to do that, but I've ever elected, if you move a new mubble, imagine to you could have arrojado from a escalator, you could have been up a good chuccio and arrojado to your

question. You can do they're doing those things. The point is to be in some way

to learn them to be able those testimonies and under the phenomenonology we do a lecture

of those performance. For example in the case of the Narbarte that you have seen

many the videos that are the movement of objects was to specifically about

about what objects, manage the movement for us to us to know with the

testigo by the termino of the communication was determined. Even to say

a note basic and rapid when we went to the department, we we said,

you, you know, you know to the testigo, damn all the cuchios

and all the objects and I'm saying, for what? You, damelos. I've

a can't a case of plastic and all. Yes, I. It was I was re and I meted

to the and I said my investigator Samudio, because we're doing this and I'm going if you move

an object you move a question, you know, I'm going to to risk to do you, to do you

get to get to it's a in serious so, so, so de crue and so of free.

Because the comportament of a poltergars not consist only in making that do that's something of

things, but not no, no. If not, no, no. If not, in the case that

we're they've been using the exercise of the attack physical overpasa all.

And not only is that you arenawn or that they're in or that in the case of the

smearf was an abuser. So there a vexation. There what I'm going is that this demonio

or energy they're not only only only being behand those to behating to the

rather than they're being in this moment when they started to have this type

of experience when it was totally and negable and inevitable because you not you know you know in this point you know

you're going to do something intimately is destroying your house for this point the family yeah

is starting to provoke pleats is when one of the members of this family has a encounter with

the Warren and for there for favor production me they're with the second that is

the intervention of Ed and Lorraine, which is when in 1986, they investigated the case. We all know that the Royne had, for there, a don, that was the don't

the don of the clerimidencia, and she was able to make certain conclusions about the house, yeah she saw the different entities.

For there, the entity of a woman, of an assicino serial, of a, there are many versions of this.

The reality is that the Firmative of all what she is that conclude that there was a demonio a lot of living the house and that this demonio had the control and the dominion over the spirits

inferior, the spirit of humans and they were those that were those who started. Something that is very important and for that is the spirit commune and current when I'm a corinent

I'm talking to a spirit of a person who has lived And another, the demonio, that can exerts over the spiritus common. That also also did in the case that we investigated

for the platform Roja, the NETFRIZ, the, the, I'm encounter with the mal with the case of Florence, of a spirit

an spirit, a demonio exerts an domination over the spirit of a new that is the thing that

that is the thing is me explained. Fivate how the intermediation. is the spirit

demoniaco could have done the exercise over the nina but used another little bit

to be in his wife. God. Is it the thing of the thing of again. We're talking

they need a receptor if you or see. Yeah, although the demonio not so

he had presented or manifesto to the mania because perhaps grotesquely

not have been apasible for the child. I'm talking to a nia of three

years. Now imagine to be to be to be the recognition of the

spirit, that could signify the same. The little bit of the little bit. And for so they're going to play. But it's in that moment that vinculin. Now, in the

case of the Borren, if you are talking of different spirits, well, you did you, an assicino serial, a, one,

a woman, and what other? I think there a, a minor, a little. I don't do that different

bookles, Paco, during the process or in the terrain of the house could converge

there and a force more superior and malignant did that influgeren over the family.

I have a question something that I can't much understand I can understand that

in a house just like the case is Mour can find

these these entities of human that are that they were

that they had this disbivisid there but how

a demonio can get to get to a house? How is possible? What I, in my logic,

could I think that someone who invoked? Someone did a series of conjures, occupantos, occupantos, and alta magic to attract to that demonio, to this plan, to this reality,

something, something something? I don't know, I mean, but what I'm going to, how would see? Look, there's to understand two concepts totally distinct. When I'm about two, I'm talking examples. One is that the Alta Mago, that referred is that

person, that has the capacity of vocation. But not is any person, Seniors, so, no is that I'm the abient but, but no, I'm in TikTok, and I'm going and I'm going to say a vocation and me say, no. It's of much

academia, much studio, years and years of submergirds, not only only in great books, books apocryphs, even that those consigners, and that you were practically adopting practices

continuous of evocation. If me you have been that possibly there was an alt-mago

in that invoked something, and he could have had been a space of time at your

side by a sign or something, it's probably and no. And if

me about you a person that he intended to do an evocation

and that's it's much more more probably. That's that.

That's Is that's the person who intends the fact of fungir like a ex-o-mago and he's, and no he's

never, it's equivocal, or no, he put it in the pantaculo, or no he's over a piece of a

piece of chival, so are elements that are in the heart of the clavicle, so,

no, I don't do you, but, well, there are elements strangely rareos, that even in

the actuality not they can not can't not be not the zone geographic, So, there's

people that substitute things and in that's doing that's doing a lot. Pudier could be that

in some moment a demonio or in a way or in a way, I'm saying, okay, I'm hearing a

great little organ, you know, we're saying ah, I'm listening, ah, I'm saying a omitita, I'll be,

I'm going to look to be to the ormigita and you're you're doing vocation, and this is here and

this is here, and the I don't know what he says, but we're going to say the question. He's the

man, he's he says, according this he's going to start evocation. No, he manifests the demonio,

but in the place of the actual of the fact, I'm doing an analogy, and caricatureska, but it's a man, and

says, okay, no I don't take case, okay, no you do letania is a mal-eachach not you

don't you even I'm not you're getting flogera, he's, and it's and it's

and it's and he go and he's painted the pantaculo for that energy

demoniac that's that's that's that's that's he's no, it's

no, but he he's open that's like a place like a

like a like something even a but he doesn't the demonia but he

made imagineate they're 50 years and enter this family to that

that property is that I see is how I try to understand how one

a person is a person who can't exactly and leave open to the

door for when when people have these encounters with entities demoniacs

and entities malignas let us let us that's the there is where the case

yeah with those with the wordren it's about that they auspician

like an type of exorcism for debajo the water because

yes And just they they they're they're to exercise authority

over the house unfortunately that's the first exorcism that's kind of

kindestine not function and it's where the case is to be more mediatic the people

start in the media traditional like the television the radio so public

the book of haunted in 1988 in 1988 by Robert Curran

and with the Warren, the Smur, who are those who have received so many those who have received, especially those

esceptic, because here is where here's where you know, just that the case is false, that the case,

he, so it's to make to get certain ventas, for publicer a book, for this,

for the other, and is where this, so it's to have more, you know, intervention mediatical. Attention

mediatica. What the What happens is that in first plan, what you documentan, it's sound terrorifico, almost of a movie of terror and the more. And I'm always,

I, you know, it's more, I can't assure, Paco, that in the endro of 15, 20 years, even, and we're not we're going to try to destimar the case of the

Pallaso-Posreid. They're going to disestimar the case of the three-siglo, the Ports Jagas, the three-siglo. If I'm explaining, I mean,

there's a, I don't know because it's like a context to make a real but I

could say that in this tenor we know we'd really denostar a case

until we're abocating psych experimentation or experimentation or experimentation in a place.

I mean I'm sure I don't I'd justestimar a case for the simple

for the simple fact that I'm it's what the people is it something that something that you

sound to false, without the proof, sin to do this, and do that's

what you can say, what you can provoke even in the audience. Oh, it's been cheo

your book. And just justly he solicited to someone to me pass to this

book. Because this book is practice of exorcists of the ministers of the church

of the 1642. This book is a facsimil Paco. And here here

the exorcism to incestations of casas. Okay. You can learn us Of the court, you can't

make certain lectures? Just for so I'm for that I'm the perspective of the ecclesiastic

before. After the embate of a demonio. What could mean, what would signific for an

ecclesiastic a demonio? Oh, we're talking of 1,6993, corrigo. 1,6193 of the

Padre Benito Remigio Noydens. A facsimil is a book that totally sostraided

of the original even the Spanish sound as a

old that's interesting right we're going to learn a little because

if it's interesting to know how are these orations of liberation imagine

that during the genitin imagine that during the process that that's

reciting something that the other side of the other side if

if you have you and react with an exorcism of

infestation you imagine you in a moment in a first court,

we're going to do some and we're going to the last for favor of the case of the smur,

because just after after the 15 years in 1989, the family finally decided mudarse

and they said, and affirmed on that the phenomena started to cessar a

a little after after the house and since the history has been,

but base for documentals, and for people, and so a grand

debate between creyentes And that's what classic. I just contesting the last because in a house he passed

a family and why we're we're going to not us what we're the same the case of Apodaka.

Another investigation that we did we for the platform of Netflix that's called Hunt of Latin America and that

that case of Apocaca I denomined the Amityville Mexican I know I know that you?

You know you? You know interviewed? I was the first to the principal. Well, okay. I don't

I denomined the Amityville Mexican because it has all the elements of an infestation demoniaced, combined with a possession and combined with Poltergeis. So, the, the, the woman that suffered

all this, when me said, when I said, I mean, the people to think that levit a 10 meters, no, levito five centimeters. Yes, yeah, sure. Two, five, but independently of that, the fact of

the end up to be suspended in the air, for me, it's a centimetre, it's, yeah, also, yeah, also, let me let me know

the velo of the fission. There's a lot, there a lot, there's a lot, no, if no, levitow

10 seconds, and 20 meters, then it's, well, you are you, you're seeing many, you're

doing much, the levitation, even, the levitation is even, is, even explained, not only

only with the fact, to suspend in the anti-gravity. Yes, 10 seconds, is a

chingue, pardon, it's much. Demacial. It's a lot. Two seconds is much.

And so momentanious. Even the church determine that the proper levitation, Paco,

could have to be a person ergida in arco to be back and to be

the head. For you also, that's because impossible you can

do you can do it in the conciences. Right. Because it's done in one

and others not. So simple and so basic those I just

I've done from an initial. It has a receptor and that would be a person that

is perceptive. Oh, no is, I'm, I'm that I'm that's sensible, no, the perception

is transensorial is another thing very different. It's a study very profound, Paco.

And if that person, in the case of the can have been a vinculate

in the case of the smurf, imagine in other cases, that for

example, the of the case vinculating with Augusto, the

of the palaces posseid. Are the exercises directs of people perceptible.

It's that the family of Augusto, the family of the family of Florence,

change of property and they do it and they do it that the other family

that the other family who can be the same that's actually, the people that came

that case that case that not present that type of situations, the

small They were taking another other their life. In total, there

there is a certain information that's a little not actualized because

they're about four exorcisms that suffered the house. In total, five

exorcism even, even for there, ones who were not authorized

for the church, others not were used for the church because

just one of the data about the important is

that affirming that the church had authorized this

when in some moment they're in reference of a theme ecclesiastical the church mentioned that they never authorized a

exorcism. That's a very interesting. Could it also that could be done denostar the case?

The church Catholic never confirmed officially to have realized exorcisms in that case and

is like one of the points most important. Now, evidently to be, the process

of authorization of the Vatican has had his bureaucracy me. So imagine to

the people that solicit an exorcism, yeah has been pedied by, no,

the diocese primated in the case of the actuality or in the Episcopado Mexican, they're in a process. But if you have, you

have a natural in your house, we're not, but, well, although you know, but me refer to,

you'd to you'd to be a bureaucracia ecclesiastica you'd respondiera? No,

definitely, no. What do you would say to the Padresito, Padreciito, me valens sobrant sorbete in what the, well, Berkoglio,

you know, there's the other, the new, in what that he said, he'll decide, do you? No? Sure. And justly, it was what he did. All those exorcisms were taken away. That was what what occurred. One of the cases more furses. And now,

so, after this brief court, Samudio, prepare a one that you creas that provoked something? You think that provoked something of the other side of the side of the page in a

person. I'm, I'm going to say a little, let's go, we're doing we're doing

attending cases of demoniaus. Yes. I'm prepare, I prepare, I'm prepared

for very, well, at a level personal, I still I'm doing. I'm not

I'm not I'm not so no, I'm not so much, but, but I'm never, I need to

the apprenticeship of Francis Cypryl, me said, ask them questions in Latin, and you

start to give to give a little, and you'll have count who really is so

endemoneated and not you don't have to express like the we're going to express like,

simply even for the invocation that's in that's invocation me said to Cepriel is a oratoria

Samudy, is an oration so you can revirate with a quacket philoquare and no

I need to express it and just when I'm intervisto with the supposed endemoneados

I go those okay and now Samudio to what we let me let me sir

to Well, explain us what is what you're going to do, I mean, I'll have this book, precisely, because in the Alibirn, and we're going to talk about the infestations. Yes. This practice of exorcists

and ministers of the church, is practically a book, where is gesta the exorcism of the antiqued, we're talking about 1,500 approximately, and in 1,600

every minister, every, this, cura, already, you're put here. Yeah, we've put us, yeah we've put denzos. Every minister of the

church starts part of his, I'm called grimorios because at final of the day are there's

no vocations. Sure. But, with the expression to all the ecclesiastic that are all my respect

those who are doing to do this, well, they're like letanies of just the exorcism.

Now, there are who are people, there are who are people, there can't

a letania distinct because the exercise or the minister of the exorcism also,

I mean, it's impera this. So, no necessarily only only they're the basis

of the exorcism Catholic Roman, but also they're not other vertientes or conform

the, no see, the demonios or who them have vicissitudes of this indole,

they'll also, and one of these is something that I want to and that

I'm that I'm the part third of the practice of exorcists in that it

It's also to exorcisar to the spirits and demonies that infects and curate spirituallyly all genera malifico and echisos. Wow, so it's also bad for brujeria. Yes, it's for all that context. And it says, the experience in seignee that there are other demons that, to fend to espantar and fatigar to the hombres, because God, says, under commies, no, so they're not to them, and they're not.

is there is something that influx of the hands of the proper man that no imperat practically the man of God. Okay? And he's and continue are. They're casers and tradable occupantily in, in

jugar with the persons and to make burles ridiculous. A they're called commonly trasgos or duendes. The ecclesiastical he was called so. Duendes.

Duendes. For, oh, no was it. We're talking of 1,693. The classification of Poltergey's acuion in 1,900 and Cachio. Cacch, almost 300 years after, okay? And one of these exorcisms, you know what I want to learn.

Preparensse, in Casita, pittan that there's a vase of water, preysmere your veil, prenden the Palosanto, plengan in the incinso. Look, says, if he refers, the clerico,

that a demonio duende that that persegues a soldier doing a great travesuras that comparison

in a church, the poor in a campana could not could talk the

dominoes to a a, a, a, a monge and well,

there's many many fechorias this, this demonio called duend so the so the

greatissimo Remigio otorgue oughter the next exorcism and

He says, Oh, there It's Diabolo Inh and Hibermus Bunemus

Siorare compelunt Cisium Studen No ex Exorum Monitis Fet

X Nostra Okay Okay You've Yeah Yeah Yeah

Yeah Yeah Yeah of halas you know no no no

no no diablo in bill oh wait even me

disequil no diabolo in bill creadum imbexmos sinorare compalati

see is room okay let's let's I'm I'm I'm doing

nothing no manches oh manch o'gan your The place of Paco, if there's onas, maybe

raras, eh? Well, I'm going to concentrate yeah, car. No,

I'm not so I'm doing here. Okay. Non-diablo to hear, eradamos.

Vinemus yorare compelgum. See, he, he, to be to be

to me interrupens. Situent no ex, Xxorum. Monitiris, Fet, Nostra

Consentum and we'll do you do you do you I'm I'm trying to

the television I'm going I'm going we're going but I'm there gotorreo here

there are there are all those who you know here here there's well

I'm going to try is that is that I'm to be so I'm not I'm

don't I'm how it B. No, yes. So, you know,

I'm decifrantly. The letter is that is a facsimile. The book facsimile is a calca

of the original. So, even the S, it's like, the S, it has been

as far as a back, like if were in alta, in mayuscula, but it's a

sometimes you're confondes with F. And then they're putting those comments, it's

back to satan. The classic. It's the new, no, no, no,

Diabolo, and credomus imbesum bensimus siurare compelont si

well that's so I can't be borrosa so de no ex erum monitis set

ex nostra confundatum ex esorum monitis Ex Exxorummonitis And no I'm a man

Yeah, man Well, I'm going to be Well, okay I'm going to say Denike Esram Si Irredentis Morten Novis

Intentare Vine A What, hey What is here No, go You're going to You take

And here From here To come Dal the intention of that way, of here to take

way, from here to go ahead. Oh, I mean to do you do you know I'm so

I'm sorry I'm so let's because yeah I don't see it to make

look to let's that the people uh so the letters are like like that

if you know if it's it's he can get a see to get a production

there there there there there are like in

in this like if it's like for Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Like if it was a machine to scribe, then literally you have to addivinear. In serious, no there's nobody

here in production? In serious? No, there's nobody? All in serious, in serious, in serious? Well, it's that, my way, a form of canalize the

is by the middle of the risa. I mean, to do a reason because I think that's a, hey, to the product that's, for

favor. Okay, then I'm going to be able to say to be to be really to

go. In serious? Go. Ah. Okay. De Nike Estrum

if Urentus Morten novice intentary Bidentur Riedemi me,

Sun Potius Qam Timendi Chakum fin develes Minemir

Kwan Neh Fasimus Entity Quot Medasion in Spatio Tempore Uy

this is me da this RELATUS X Revelatus X No Owey

You're You're just I'm scared Samudu What's oh my man I'm laugh

But no no of fear me impression I go This is, father, if she's Movedo, I can't. Revela your sex. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

What did you say, I mean, so, I'm so much I'm excited, I'm excited. The radio of the production, man, my friend,

a great applause, because if, if, if you, did a moment, I did a moment to doubt, I said,

no, mames, if I'm, I think, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure, but, it was,

it was very good, it was very Well, yeah, you can get a person of production,

for favor, yeah, you know, you know, I think in my life past if I'm

a clerical a exorcist a man, rebel, you see, yeah, yeah, yeah,

she put a cross across to the right, no, yeah, we know,

yeah, yeah, so like, ah, well, I'm, the demonio of the

studio, oh, well, yeah, no, no, what I'm there are

there are there there's, there's that are It's like a photocopia. Yeah. If it's

that it's like it's written as a machine to write. And like he felt a little of a tint. And if you

do you see, you have to do you do that's it's like for so it's difficult and say

in confirmation of a good counsel, lean all with attention what he refers

Jacob Verbechio. There a demonio for the years of 15153 Fifty-three.

A monge of good life, well, many times he would be in the tejado,

in the campanario of the monastery. So, you talk of things that were and that

the proper remigio to the evocations and not evocations and the exorcismos and he

transcribia conform he passed the facts, for example, about a monk that

he was molestable a spirit chocerrero and he said the

sacerdote revestied with the overpels and the stola with cross and the

and the cross and the the water and the water the Diga

enter in the house in the Saguan and in the first in the

first soil and nomin Patres Exfili Spirit Santi Amen

That is the Oh, yeah, I'm going to say something, you know, out of cotorreo, yeah, in a mode serious, we've got 400 people in the transmission.

Oh, no, you call. In serious. It's true. It's going to happen when we're going to show us evidence of

exorcism and that, because there was a in-vibo where justly we were justly a liberation, an exorcism that's done

in Argentina, and we've literally, every time that we were most and more and more evidences see,

of 100, of 200, we've got four hundred people in the world. How? We've got to

400. No, my, family. What's the question? I want to mention something

that that, the repent, I'd not read me, but I

don't read comments during the transmission, because of a repute to be

listening in a Latin and the people, the people, the the time, the time,

the tue, for the a casso or think that I'm going to the most of the people that are doing. No, we're saying, we're getting the practice of exorcists and

ministers of the church. Of this book, facsimile, which is fascinant, 1,693 subtracted of the scriptures of the Father Benito Remigio Noydens.

The fact is that is very good. I'm going to me as part of the verbiario cultural, but also there are exorcism. And in Latin,

and in Latin, that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a really

no, no, no there's there's no, no, we're we're

we're not going to get to get a yeah, and then then the people say

no, pince Samudio boy, because always and all in his

houses eh ha ha ha the most chistos the thing,

to be to be to be all the people that we know this

exorcism apply a casas encattas yeah not a

transmissions Enchantadas. That is another. Exactly. Exactly. Oh, we're going

for there. The people send you some of the question. We're going to give us. We're going to

exactly, to the normality. Oh, for you. They're going to I was thinking I said at a rata

where the cross and the chea-a- so. Salvos to production. The first question,

for know invoked a demonious Amudio? No. No? A be

a little one of the question cultural about the demonios. I did Goesia,

teurgia and Arsnova with great maestres. One of them is one of the balvtes

that is Alain Bellon. Belon. Oho because then I'm the perro

confunded for there. Aline is a type very erudito that you're going to

be probably in podcast, you know to do you know what we're talking. You know what I've you know, you know, it's a maestraso.

It's a maestraso of spiritism and for if it's a little it's physical and is sceptic in those, imagine it. Imagineate. So I know, I for him

I knew the cohesion, the Turgia, and the Ars Nova. From the ambitow superficial no, no me consider a mystic me, I consider

a investigator and point. Okay, then there's the response. If you If you'd like in any moment

invoking a demonio do you do you do you do you do primarily like to

know so I mean I mean is that have to make a question a demonio

not you will be a definitely a demonio you're you're going to be

that's the problem is that the people think that is like it's like to go

to buy to come to a man we're we're we're we're so so

not to You know, let's explain also how there's repercussions for doing it. So, let's go to the question, for forward, production. Look,

what is your opinion about the veracity of the events reported in the case that's the case that we've said. As I was

I've got the good to know via online or for service postal or the Warren us, we've shared

in a case that we've we've put us a level national in Mexico, that is the demoniado

of Conettico or the demonio of Conettico and for me are investigators that have not only renomber

but prestige for his studios. I what could say like any other other case always

the classic that's to know to but never demonstrate nothing. Exactly.

Well, there's the next for favor says veneras an entity

what would be and why? But why would you have to vener to an entity?

No, example, that you have some type of creencia, cult or religion. Well, in my work, dear, my job, no, in my work, no, in my work, no, I'm doing any religion. I do I do it, I do

from a bit of a certainment scientific. It's, I mean, for example, for that, for so, me was riding of the effects, and I said, oh, that's, oh, that's, because, for me, I'm, I'm, I'm emotional.

Because, I do, if, if, so it would be a Padrissim, that the mess was living, I'm happy of the life, but really not I'm not exercised

any other a creency, I'm of unlawed, but when I'm the majority of age, I

decided to part me of those concepts, because yeah was enrolated in the phenomenon paranormal.

For me it's important because when I go to a place or attend a person, to be a

person, is to say, a case that they're involved with my investigator, my form to not have

a sense of a Crencia me has precisely be totally hermetic

more more than what they're saying because in all the person if I'm if I were credent

imagineate all the all the devil all day no, if it's the devil is a demonio

and that could be transnett the reality of other person for my work

you're you're you're you're you're for example crees in you're

based the idosyncrasia of the ser human or you are septic

I'm skeptical agnostic. Okay. Aceptic agnostic. Evidently not I'm a negationist. I've investigated. I've investigated the phenomenon paranormal. I think that's what I'm

an amplitude of criteria. I think that's what I'm a bit more to be all from, and not not standing in the credence. But, no I can't deducing that I'm anti-crient

because, then I'm anillo, that me, I've got to my father after me, this is a monument very important. So,

so if you You say, in what I believe in this? Okay, very interesting, your response. The next, for favor, for favor, production. Dice, with the goetia, contact with demons? With what you can contact with angels? Supposedly, the goetia is for the two cases. What what is that one has serried more in the

ambit of the demons, because, like, they have more elements to define that is a demonia base clavicles Salomonica's or Yavs of Salomone. In fact, in the scriptures,

Enokian, so it's about more of the other than evocations in other than the Enochian.

Enochian is in a way a chura of the proper Enok to define the not a evocation to

an angel but more more than they are they're plasmated for scriptures. Something something

to the pataculos but for the archangels arecangeles are archangels are

primarily with scriptures, signatures. Okay. For the people that first time the word of pantaculos Amudy, what are

the panacos? Pantacos for me are the seals, this what you call you chisilos. In the

context, I only learned in the theology. Are these they symbolize or that are like

contrary to the archangels or of the angels or the angels not caeus, in them are signatures,

are firmas. And the contrary to the demonios are the of them, those which regent

the demonio Bael, Belsebu, blah, no, they're going to go a grand

a grand compendio of demonios that each one has his pantacolo and the

pantaculo is used for the altos to plasmals to play on the place where

he's going to talk okay but there is the response for those who

had the question for favor? Look, says a demonio can

occultar to be to be a liberation and finging that was an exit? For

supposed. That is me does a lot of me. To be a lot of documented we've

been done many times but the demons can be exorcisated momentarily yes. Okay.

Is that the Cura ecclesiastic does the exercise of the ministry of the

exorcism logra liberate a person one once that the person accept the grace of the

that is in context of what is in context of what When they accept the grace of the Lord is that the person

that is the person that's accepted yeah the entry of Jesus or of Christ in his body obviously this

is a metaphor because no they're not met in the body. It's via mental but as

it's submerged this abey influenced by a demonio because no pass in his raciosinio the

continue having that the community or or Catholic or as you can but at

final of the day what is it's that it's a process is that accept the grace of the senior. One of the way that accept the grace of the Lord, many relato of exorcisados

are about this grand light and of this form of that Christ that usually is known. And is when I've liberated a person. But, ecclesiasticals me have said, that there are demons that regressan 10 years after, five years

or that simply simply simply, they're not, when they're not to say that in the body, they're not. I'm going to be It's based on the fissure, my. The ecclesiastical

you talk about of a fissure spiritual of the persons that are susceptible to a possession. And this pass and usually

usually, it's gesta more in persons that are involved with someone that has been posseed, who has been

exorcised. Could it be that the demonio is the physical, anymica, like you know, usually is animic.

That person that perhaps has been broncos, is, this, this, this, to rowes

uh, or, uh, and that's those rogues, well, it's going to in crechendo.

For that's a much better, is much better, to attender with a therapist, a therapist, a calificated,

psychologo. No, like a coachin. Awas with those boys, with those challatans of pachotilla,

do you. Aguos or a moody? Tampo. Well, it's always more barato to get with

a psychologist. So, a person can say reiterate the possession but it's but not it's

also about the ecclesiastical eh not with that obviously there's even there a passage

that mention that the entity is back and regress and if see that the body is back so

he goes to get to see if he greases with the seven specifically can go

to go back with two or one but I think I think that maybe is the

acceptation that is liberate that person. And if not is what they say in the ecclesiastical, to say, to God or to the grace of God, then evidence, whatever type of, no, see, detonator, could

fungier with another position. Wow. The next question, for favor, production. And I'll for mention, if you've left, your like, family, we're more of 3,000 people, and only 1,500 likes. Helpen us with those likes.

We're doing. How many? How many people are? More of 3,000 people? we're connected Samuio Vine from us from us to be very long talking this grand platica

appuannos with a life family and really no cost nothing what is what has

what has has susted in the problem I see the story you know you know

you know basically basically what is a level personal is I mean

I can be able I'm people that they're they need or

they need and need totally my conception scientific. I can start ante a house

with infestation and I cause a risa. No, well, no. Analyzo the things. I can

be at a phenomenon that's gestating in the moment and I'm to video-grabar and I'm to analyze it.

But not me put in that house that I'm old. U. Oh, my

because that me aterr man. Jolle, that's what you're that you did you

you're going to confronter to that entombed and I'd like that if I'd like that if were very special and as I said and I'll have said and I'll repeat

I'd like that you do that you do do you do you do transmitieras I do you do it because in that

I'm in the four years of where we came my family and his servidor and was what

me or I'm to dedicate to what I did I'm I'm going to I don't know what, no I don't know

how time, in what time, today, I would have the investigator paranormal, you know the not in the

child of four years. So that confrontation me would like to have to have perfect,

my friend of that I'm glad to to go to get to documentar and to help you know to get

to help to get a bit, yeah, that's a time, so that you're going to be

going to then we're going to be talking, still, production? The percentage of cases

of bluheria is more real than what we we're I have a response but

I want to hear of the percentage of cases of not real no

I think the percentage more explicable of drugeria suggestive

is totally much more than the of the fact

that if there there is there there there

there there cases there there can't there can

there can not only only the cases, that's of the brugheria

suggestive, poof, I think that is the great majority, that's what abunded much. For that's

there were 400, me. So, were 400, so farcent, I'm going to respect,

they say, are people, are you are people, are people, I mean, it can be to be percutting

in something of a program of television, of a program of internet, of a program of, if me explained?

Sure. So that person is totally susceptible. That's all the questions?

Production? Okay, thanks, thank you. Oh, yeah, excellent in vivo. How did it do you know?

Excellent, especially when when they were the things. Yeah, yeah, honestly, what you thought

when you did a thing, I said, no, man, I mean, so,

I said, never, I mean, but what was, but what would be in the fact of that not

was a problem, but I'm unfortunately to have brought this book. Yes.

And I Bucco, yeah. If someone, for example, in production, suppose, an example,

it begins to have kind of, like, like, attacks epileptics. Look, for example, for example, is also the exorcism normal.

One thing, I, I, I, I, I, the infestations in a house. But here is the exorcism

of a person. Okay. I don't do ecclesiastical, but I know that this lethania can resultar. Now,

for example, that, that, translauration, I don't see, a example, Tocomado, but Hasiel

started to have attacks epileptics. No, to co madder, to co madder. This, we're saying, we're going to

imagine, imagine it, the demonio. It'd have to be very great. Okay. I'd say me'd be

a fear, no, no, so, so, so, we're just, we're just, let's get

the name of the demonio, fiatte, eh? Uh-huh. And what you says, other

times they call Leviatan demonio of suburbia because tented to

our first parents of the suburbia and it's it's

a aditan men ah pardon aditamentum aditamentum okay

so I would be to start not I'm an ecclesiastic nor an exorcist

but but I could be could be could be like could be a certain and

and to look at the parrach of the church more and try to look at

okay so so if if there this for example there there

is that is that I'm looking the exercise of the exorcism look for example

here here you no propetius this exudy no so

not so it's simply it's a letania yeah no no manche

propetius this ex ab indongous diaboli libera eumdomine per my fete oh yeah there's been seen amos no man here's here yeah yeah so if if I had passed to be I'll say I'll let's give something and the preparatory that I took

to theology for part of an ecclesiastic well if I'm taught me more things I mean not only to distinguisher an endemonea or no to have a first filter Paco. But also, but also

how he exercised the exorcism although I said this thing, so I'm he said, I know you know you're

a man of faith, but in some moment you're going to remember when you're a kid. Ooh, that's what you

said, you know, they did you did you know one of you don't go, yeah,

we're doing we're doing with much and for favor, let your like, we're

more, you're just, you're back again, yeah they're back

yeah Oh, yeah, of the real, I'm in the these lives are important for that's important

for that's for that just not they're in the finted with the finted with whatever you want to ask them,

let's go ahead. Exactly. How much? How do you? No, yeah, we're just justpidding

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studio, but now we're doing the praxis. Exactly. That's the camp. Amigo,

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Yes, I mean a disculable, I, I, I, for all the

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