EXTRA ANORMAL - Me culpan por la MU3rt3 de Juan Ramón Saenz pero NO saben esto! | Maté a mi Abuela en un Pacto

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

¡No te pierdas nuestro último episodio con Josué Velázquez! En esta fascinante entrevista, Josué nos abre su corazón y revela detalles impactantes sobre su vida. En medio de acusaciones injustas, Josué comparte su experiencia sobre cómo ha sido culpado por la muerte de Juan Ramón, pero lo que pocos saben es la verdadera historia detrás de este trágico evento. Además, nos confiesa un secreto aún más sorprendente: su participación en un pacto demoníaco que involucra a su abuela. Prepárate para sumergirte en una historia llena de giros inesperados, emociones intensas y reflexiones profundas. ¡No te lo pierdas!  

And I thought in my abuela. In to give to your brother. In to give

to my wife. And then I proceeded. Procedy to do what I had

marked. This consisted in to be the skin of the back and

that was to be to be a pergamion. And there was when Juan Ramon Seins

in some way, his back energy and he never to aligner's

with the earth that's it. I mean that That's what we're... Imagineate

a portal is an ojo a black that absorbe all the energy. So if you are you is a bit about

abhorred. Yes. And if he's a time in the earth. Okay. Yes.

Two days after I was in the hospital. Look, I'm going to be a judge.

All we're to do do you know. Well, yes. I procuro to do do a

diario, indulgencies. Okay. Because if I see, I'm permanency in the

Lago the Lago be a brebe ha ha ha ha ha this is to do you

to put there in his house in those moments one does doblamients and

it's disrende one of your material and I go and I

feel a enormous I've never had experimented this and

I'm couldn't so so so so I'm surprised

It was, I never had experimented that. And then this person, he said, who is that person? Here not is me revela. Who is, they're, they're a pastor. Yes, it's really. And so,

I said, God, me kept so because you see much, Han Ramon Science. What I'm going to be able to be a podcast extra anormarious and I'm going to be able to be a lot, What How,

Amigos? To be welcome to a chapter more of podcast Extra Anormal. My name is Pacuarez and I'm very

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because is somebody very special a person for the that many have asked when

he was when I know to be with me Josue Velasquez how

is how you very well, with much of good to know to be in the

opportunity to talk about to talk with your audience. Thank you. Before to start

family, I'd say you're that for favor these first time. The

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to the project. We're to start Josue. Before to start to

presentes for that the audience to to know who are you will give

a retro-alimentation also because I've said that's marked the history in the theme paranormal in Mexico.

Yes, I can say to some way, to share my experience with all the audiences

that in that moment because, well, with Juan Ramon, San's he'd

recorried across America, practically, no, and I saw the internet and it

was used on the world. And, I see, I consider. I've encountered in many conferences to those

I dicted that the people me say, I've been in the secondary when I'm in the primary when you were in the

primary when you see. So I'm so, and I'm and many times, a lot of

even, even for they're saying Josua no is you. Yes. Talves me,

they imagine much more more more different. So, so until they don't even

really my voice, they're they're okay. Jose, before to start,

too, I would like that is the red social that you occupies, yeah that's a

moment, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know because there's many people

that in this moment are creating content with your image. So, I'd like you

presentes your social. Yes, well, they're doing to Casagrimorio

in Instagram or a casagrimor or gmail. com, are my unical are my

own videos of contact. Okay. Because there image in many others and,

you know, they're they're in a project of investigation called a project for I'm a

coordinator of this project that investiga a profundity the and other manifestations of

faith. And this is an editorial I'm the director editorial. So all these investigations

are publiced recently. My ultimate my last and about specifically what has to be with the ritual,

with the rito primigeneo to create the enlace with the entities demoniacas. It's a very grimorio because I've,

I've, I've, I've, I've got texts from the 16 to and that

be repeated, is to say, someone was investigated, in this single, in the 17, someone was

they've been so they're so that similarity. For so is that we know that are rites real.

We're going to start, Jose. That good that we mention as this. We'll have a little

context of the theme of how it's viral the theme of your appearance with

the man paluda of the master Juan Ramon Sends. Not we're going to do

this part because yeah the people I think there's internet yending

of stories about this but I want to know some some

things that They're during a call that is a initial of the years

2000, me it's going varying. The people that not is in

the problem of the thing of the paranormal in Mexico, I'll give the context.

By the media formula for that it was transmitted a program of radio

in Mexico that started in 1995 called the Mano Peluda where is

this is this dynamic that we actually we are actually we are doing the

meerkles for transmission in YouTube to receive calls of people interesting

us have passed many things very very forth we're things in the

studio because us have people who have not had not had

a fact but that are not molestated by

the environment change much when you can't so

in this program the Mr. Josue Velazki Marka

and comment and I that's that's what he's

what you comment in that because more because more than to talk

a story because I'm saying I'm really yeah

I'm in a process really really yeah of a

destruction spiritual death now I'm in a form different

but yeah I had many years being being

attacked being attacked by I'm I've had recurried

to all all what I had learned during years

I I have more of the middle of my life

practicando the brugheria okay no, see more more so more

so much I'm so much I'm and in this process was having had obtained

art and luxus that we permitted to have control over certain

and that's so but there there was a disbalance

a disequil in my mind was a nobody I'm in California

I had known someone me had presented and someone

had said to he had I'm going to he was he was a lot of

a lot of a think he was a liberator okay that I'm that I'm

yeah yeah if Juan Ramon Samen was profoundly to

things spiritual okay well but well for something

I did a yeah I'm I'm but I think we're

we're we're we're we're we're at the city of

Mexico yeah and me responded, and I thought that we thought that we're in

the program in that moment. But was in your program in that moment. So, so me he said,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, that I

had I had I had initiated contact with I'm a moment, in which I'm talking about, in that same

moment, Sonson, tarfe of that form of therapy, me, me, I was questioning

about what was and what had had made actually, let transmit my

temers of because there entities that really me were really had transposed

to the that the that, well, in the unyricos, in the spiritual,

to the material. Yeah, they had the power to your material. Exactly.

And if was materialized and all, Juan Ramonza called a pastor, he's a professor

Elix O'Ham, I remember very well, This only I've seen two but the

pastor is a but the pastor is there much more more more

and they're going to occur in a manifestions that were in the in the cabin

in the I was attacked for ser spirituales Juan Ramon Sanch

went to to be to be to San Diego and to get to to north to Mexico

to to make to a monastery in where Where I was reclued

more than five years. Wow. When this, Joseph, during the call,

many people started to send in their cases, manifestations too. Of course, that's really,

in transmissions that we do you know, when it does it when it's a story, a relato

that is real. In this case, you said, you've been you've done, we've talked, how was

the pacto that you did you, it, Well, I'll talk briefly, very superficial, because as you says, Internet is full of this information. But I'll say something that maybe not have narrated, never.

I, in that call, me limited to explain to explain that he had made a pacto and in the which had to have a sacrifice of the same. And this study, right, me record that

that's that I was in the front of me was the right

of my there and the of my and the of my and meditab

who could say and I think in my abuela in

and to give to my mother and then I proceeded to

make what I'm to this consisted in to get

an of the skin of the back that he was to

function like a thing that's it's extract this

he's he was to get on the other day they

did know that she was and that's that's

that's that's that's something something that's something that

was in extra the skin the the back

that was a a a paper I had

I was prepared on the tinta special. It's to see a ritual that many years after I was a ritual very primitiv very effective but

it was a very primitive. Yeah, totally. Totally. No, now there are, well, they're still

being always complex, this type of ceremonies that that's still doing in in Mexico and in

many of countries are ceremonies that are doing. And the pacto not only only is

has been an benefit of money, but the establishment of the health, in example,

you're doing of cancer, you're going to get to a ceremony to change the astral, and,

you know, you have in funerables yeah, uh, of the murder, so if you

can't be to be the case, even people that were when I had interviews with

some brus that there people who decide to simply for mere devotion. Well,

yes, it, so it can be are some ceremoniales different

because there some I'm a for example I'm the for example, I'm the these words

obeyed to be able to a way to know the setapes into the process

ritualistic yeah the ceremony of entronization about someone that's over someone that

someone in the culto with a with a not is a common initiated

if it if we were with a baptism does it does whatever for pure

devotion. I'm your son, Sir Lucifer, this protection and security, no, that's generally

what's in a video. But someone who is someone that is an rank more confirmatism.

You know, so you passes for the communion, confirmation, so you're you're an

practice and you're just you're a person, and then you and then you prepare, studies

and do many things for to know the matter. I'm I don't understand, Josue, you tell

you will be to correct in this moment that when you did this entry of your abel, you were

to receive by part of the demonio with the thing you was a handi? Yes.

What power you were doing that was a thing? This is a new Salomon.

It's a handio of the dominion. What was it was to be that that you to appellar

to the presence of those spiritualities and obligar that those spiritualities or those

beings those angels negroes because we remember we the demon has an an origin

angelical that you do you do you do you is more in the process

ceremoniales in any in any cult or religion the offrenda

constitute the element with that you you agradas to that you

to receive a favor so the same the same that one is the

limpe to sender to Santa Maria of Guadalu the

same that you you give fruits for the duendes, is, or garbanzos to the devil or dientes, that is what most he likes, a change of a favor. It's,

is that the offrendas constitute an element that you permit to receive the favor of those spiritualities. Well, the annillo was something, but

obligable to the spiritualities that were enumerated into the clavicle of Salomon, to bedecerte. The

someties. Yes. You you were and the spirituality was present there's

there rabious no? What do you you want? Why me molestas and you

and you sure I want so you said you but you never molest so

really I never never seen I never have seen a spirituality and less of that bad

astral that they want to be they they've been immutable So this anew has that capacity

And his secret Provienes of the Ray Salomon Okay I've been Okay, I'm Entenied that during

that period about the years of the years 2000 when was this time, be you guys

entities Demetrales Demoniacos us can you can't describe how was at one of

them? Well, I was the first that I was a Demonio was a

person very a person very So, his appearance was normal. Okay.

Very long but black, but black. Okay. And, no, no, no,

no, I mean, I was really, really, really, really, I mean, I was,

I mean, I think, when it's part of the young, because, when it's young,

does, when you know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I, no, I,

I never, I've talked to, because already, not me that I've said,

I've said, in some for some some the otherinations international. Okay.

To investigate the profundity of those phenomena. Yes. But, well, I think this

parantes is the way of the sense of now there there's there's things that I'm

there. I don't know. And then maybe I felt very protected for those spiritualities.

Yeah. Because I don't of these ceremonies, it's generated the experience of whel.

Okay. A me interest. I mean, me interest. So, it's not to understand

how is that how is that how is that it's a part of a element natural animal

this a mineral I can be able to be able to do you know or the

really the bruises the revelations the revelation of how is how is that they're

and I have dedicated many many my book number seven that's

that's the better than practice the bourgeria Mexican I about

about this the preparation of the preparation some for the money, for all

for all, health, because it was information that I went to collecting during many

many years, many years, and, this, and the I put to the service of the

people, the people me write, the master, Maestro, this, no, no,

I don't, no, things very very simple, but at final you affect them in your life,

then I do your remedies because they're reales so in this ceremony it's a experience

of a question of yeah I'm let's say let's let's ask you

a question to me me me sent me and one of those

questions for here I have my accordion is you

is you you have done you have done there there

there there you or you you don't I don't

I don't I don't I think I don't I repent. You think you're going to

repentes. Okay. Now, another of those questions that are you get in and me say,

is many people, all the internet or the great majority are the death of

Juan Ramon with you. Of actually, between these questions is he was,

I'd want to know what you think you think of all this. As I said in

a principle Juan Sanis was very metid in the question spiritual.

Yes. We, we know, we're we're And the last week, the last time that I did with with Vida, we're and, well, and

detracts of cameras and for other projects, we're not, we're we're doing for that the next 24th of June we're going to have a ceremony, a very important with various maestro, sacerdotes of different cults, in the that he was

he was there, and he was to the professor, the pastor Robert Wausso, to liberate a Juan Ramon Sainz of a a Brugheria that

they did. I was I was a Juan Ramon he had a job of a very

very very very very very very very he was he was

he was he was he was a part of he was he was

investigated all this no he was he was about a book about

and things and prophecies he he was so I think that all

publicing this of that he was he was he was he was yeah

arming the group because those enemies reales so prefer

preferrere yeah the piscuous to the I don't understand

that he was a work was a he was a work he he had

he had he not is that I don't know I'm never never problems

with his to him because I always always I

never debated nothing I just I got to grab for

History Channel and nobody me debate nothing because

all those involved know that I know that I know

but well Juan Ramon Sain he he had

larvas in the stomach and so things that I know

so in this moment I didn't know and for

so he had been a group of maest very

very very Firtes. It's impressionant the action of the burglary in

the world. That's real. CREAN me, it's real. The desperation that the

people see that the cussas come in for here, well, is that's you're

interrower. My abel sentia that a around in the torso and he

had to start to and he had marques in his body, like if something

or visually not there So it's like if you're in your hand, a wrangoon, no, you know, but you'd have the mark the rascuio. In this case, like the burglary of the macumba, of that you you're about, is that the person

is met in, for example, in a piece of a car. Or in a gaio prepared very well, well, very good, well, and it's exactly what the person, this, what the gallito, they're doing, the person of the recient. And you're saying. Yeah, sure. So, Juan, Munson, is so. But he, but he came

yeah, working in much, much, yeah, meases and that's a lot of,

and here I'm going to say another secret that no I've revealed. Thanks,

am I. That day of the production, the TV Azteca me said,

it'sier something, that the cameras were able to capture, is that we're

a portal, a portal. We're in the water, it was, where we were not,

for us, that that interview were in the water? Well,

in that moment the interview was there not I was in a little really

really, but in those moments I was being persecuted for various

groups sectarious. Okay. For nobody said I was I was in America,

so nobody said, so nobody said, and I said in the morning, I'm in the

morning, I'm just I'm just I'm going to go to go to where we're to go

a hour before you're a time. That's that the reason.

Not not because create the elements. Yeah, because the internet is full of

much mystery. No, no, he said in the water in the middle of the nada, because the

element water, yeah, you know. Yeah, you know, but also one of

the questions who say that me said, let me a idea, for forward. Adelante,

I think I think the I think it I'm too. I'm perviering that had been here

a portal. Uh-huh. Well, well, then I, the, the embarkation here,

yeah, security, more camera, you know, the production TV America,

because it's very great. Well, those there's to be remolinoes in the

water and you see a bit of a bit of a denso and that was that was that

was that was going to start. And me said, Josu, yeah para.

Obviously, they're in the edition just to take the part in where

me is an entity is a entity was being being attacked. And and front

to the people, or I mean to Juan Ramon Sahn, the reporters.

There, I think that I think that was when Juan Ramon Sains in some way,

his back energy and he didn't do, to align with the the earth

that he he's got bad. No, yeah, at that moment he was

very bad. Okay. And I think that that we imagine an

a, a, a, a, an, an, an, an,

an Oyo Negro that absorb all the energy. So if you are you

are able about, you know, it's a easy. Yes, and if he's a lot of

a year. Okay. Yes, two days after I was in the hospital. So yeah

never it was a repercution. Yes, everyone. So, for that me chackarons

the death of him, of the pastor Robert Guasso, the

the reporter was accidented of the that the car marographs dolor, pardon.

Pardon. Don't don't don't that not have to say that all reported

a lot very in the stomach well they said they said they've been

of a heart of a stomachal or things so things so I don't tell you

was peritonitis well something something said but two camorographs

even interned of emergency for a problem in the abdomic and so

and is that is this is this is our flexus here the

flexo solar is where all the energy enter and

it's and if they absorbed all that and before no

no so he's he tremendous that's that so

what I make when when when he's what he

happens what you how you how you're you

very very very he's was the only without know

I'm in to go to get me to the hospital. I was I was in

Houston I'm I'm attacked those entities and I of the desperation

I said no yeah Christo so I got a Christo of my

header and me I'm here here I'm here I'm so I'm so that

was that was hospital so not the not not the cities

me were not but they me orrilliard to that. I mean,

I don't know how to that's a sentiment of fear. So that's a fear. You,

have you have seen a fear? Well, well, well, well, then you know,

because you're, you're, and my only salida, imagine you is an

edificio incendiated, and you prefer you're I'm a kemated. Yes, so, so,

so so, so it was, so it was, so it was, so, Juan-Mons then in his book,

he, he investigated the house where I was I mean to the hospital

me came to be in Mexico and never have ever have ever

I'm never I'm I'm after after this process

Ose yeah uh uh but and it was very

very so it was very very so your partida I

was in acapulco in that night when they're they're they

they're they they're um man man man I

I remember I said how no I mean, I don't know I don't know

I don't know John Ramon says Muriel So I said Where is Okay And I said No, no

Vengas Me said No, Vengas Because we know How's How to put

The bronca Yeah Yeah They're all The media That's That's the He felles

He had It's The last The last The Last program And during years

I took a taxi. I was there in years I'm absent of the

media. The people yeah you see a because of the

cause of the murder. Yes, even when me interview with a interview with

you know, but can be a pastor could be a a cure

a Catholic of a I don't do do you know well yes

but not so that is the thing of many people the

actually I have I've the other persons that's the thing

of the occultism and me have told things of the that I don't

have said in cameras because what I have said I'm impacted

much I'm impacted much so yeah well so there

may there masters there I just I can't I am

a nofito but very effective you you have

you you're you have to start to do

No, no, no, of many countries come to visit me. I have a spiritual that's not not receive a people.

Some cases very specific but they're but if I have, for example, in Instagram the people can't

write my medicines of the money, if you are they're they're going and perciating

to, I mean, so, look, to look, to what I'm this, this knowledge of

what the tue of this system of things, that is the demonio us dot

is for the liberation. Okay. Or so, liberate of the and you're and you're really, you

go to provide. And this not necessarily you're inlaza to the cult of demon. Okay. I don't have

in my temples to the image of Satanas. Because the Lord has no time, regressando to your

power, to question, how is the demonio? Well, the demonio that says in the genesis was made

I've made image and semianza of God. Sure. If a if a guru no cruel in God, then it's a

brute. It's negar his existence. And is that as we've said, there's a balance. Everything

all of the man of the creator, of God. That you not the respectes, it's very

distinct. But, I mean, it's more, the demon, I've seen many, I've seen

the demon, you're doing the demon they're doing in my line religious that is the Rosacruz that's prohibitism

you can in a ceremony seven or nine days before no sex no alcohol it's a purification

you're going you're you're in presence of the divinidad yeah yeah it's a

thing I'm I'm talking with the people that there there are religions

and there I don't mention names because it's the intention to

offend to nobody where many people just go

and Calentamanca, but every religion also has those processes of purification. When it was a

liberation, and, I'm talking of my family, the case that you commented,

of my old was a month a day of a yuno, all what you mentioned because

also the body has been to be to be a thing very fascinating.

At the day of you to ask you to ask what is the deed to the

that you serve? What is the deida to what I serve? I venered a

God, Father, Yabe, no? It was like my father, like the God superior, the dwean of the

creation, to the 400 ancestralities of the creation and to some of the demons that

are in this system of things, because there are many, or satanaz is a kapataz.

So, okay? So, one he'd to do a other spiritualities

less densas. Imagine that Lucifer is exact, that is a light so radiant that

incandescent that impossible to get to cartel. So, then we don't know we'll be

to other spiritualities. Imagineate that you you're going to say, but really to whom

you're to say, San Charbel intercede for you Ante God to

resolve a conflict. Okay. But if see, if

he's the demonos the demon because the demon is the doion

of this system of the demonio is who govern this world.

And there many forms of rituals. I've studied much in the

bourgeria Mexican but I know in various countries different forms

in that he is a different one to you can't a whitt in a cocoa.

Abra's for example, to who are not going to say no I'm invited and if Callis

of the gold. I mean, the the fin is the same so you can say

you can you can you can you can't you you're 30 days of

of the one or so intermitent no you can you can

say you don't tend a woman, things like, there's

things like in the moment I, for that the way and I'm

to and do it to get people, people, and so, and so, but

really then after I know of many years of studio, I think no,

no, he doesn't like, he doesn't he's, and for that you pay.

Sure. I want to impression to people of that pudient that is the that's the I'm

I'm a I'm going this with a pothoth a codornis is a pittiener oh,

is that you know I'm said, well, four fetos four fetos and four

fetos four fetus and he he said but no the divinacy and said no and

also and also me asked he said that the codornis is the that they're

that is the other is like for ambientar your theatricality because there's much broo

so in Mexico and in all the countries really but you know that I think that's

generate an impact in the people or so you you go you

you go you and you see you and you see the mask the

mask the image of the the image the the

same the even the how he the angelito

Nicholas so the angel Angelito Negr. And the people get like, and the aroma, there's a incoence, a pirul, and the

people get a, and generate a impact psychological, and you say, no, I'm with a person very capable, no? And I'm made a point because, you even when they're to grab with me, and

see my space, well, is that's totally different. And me says, sir, and where are the images? Ah, no, are these pictures? Look, the man, here abit. Here And so they have

those are my altar because we we have because we're not really because we're not the

cults for so the people the people can't in trampas yeah no more

oh yeah I've got a question a moment you have about you you have a

question with him yeah sure yeah so I'm sure I'm

in this moment I'm seeing I'm in this moment I'm this is a question

because because at the moment in we're interacting, and I mean, I'm creating all in my mind. All right. I'm going to

live in my mind. And it's there where they're the piculos and the inlases with those energies.

Okay. Sure, for the I do one and the, sir, permit me to know,

and let me make me say this. Because, because, again, there no, there's, I'm going to

be to be just gusgated. All we're to do Well, yes. Sure. Procuro

to do doggia indulgencies. Okay. Because if I do my permanency

in the Lago be a brief. And for example, in this moment

you do you work with some demonia? Look, that

they don't want to talk. No, I don't I don't work with a demonio.

Okay. I do to satanus. No, you know, what you're talking about a little, so, is like, it's like to go to the church and instead of

to directs to Christ, preferres to direct to, I see, to San Jose, to San Pedro, to the Virgin. Okay. But really, God, God, God, the image represents, is your connection with that divinidad.

Right. We, in our cult, we have elements with a cargapagic, clear, that it's active at about rocear

some element prepared, that's active with some instrument, then create the person, and does the person

and he says, and he says, and he says, my father, that's here that's a, he's a , fulanito,

that's, that he wants to be, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the and the ping and he says,

and if he says, he or no, and if he says, no, so, no, so, not with me. Yeah. You know,

you know, you know, you know, okay. Okay, here, for example, me generate a doubt because I have understood that

ambas, ambus deities or both gods, I know how they like to call them, are celos between them.

You don't have... God's... God is a a person of light and of bond-dard. Sure. The devilio

is a that we know that we can know the ability to live in this thing of things.

Yeah. Look, is going to be wrong when for what he abogue be

it's for the bad okay or so sir see you me

help us let's let's this person no or sir I prepare

these jervitas yeah like you like you said so I'm going to give

to the people because for your no no I don't have

I'm it's a energy no I mean is a satanical and

me is enlaz with it. No. Because the same demonio

actua for permission of God. The o'clock the tree no's

move, without the God. It's correct. So, but when

we we're we're we're we're we're we're doing this

type of ceremoniales then then then so, because the demonio is enoja so you

receive damage because you're you're because you molestas to the

You're here. Well, he's the illusion of the naturalization. A him to let's he's a lot of our things to energy

for that's a element with another element we create a medicine spiritual that at that person will correct

that's a disequilibrary that he for example with your pacto that you did after many

years still your pacto intact or or in some form the pacto the pacto

that you did you did you did you know Uh-huh No, that's

affirmed in the sky I'm I'm still having attacks so that's

that's real what what you know you know you know

you know the the uh the this uh is a

house that's like in a um and you you can

see how are there so there are the demons. Yes,

are demons. Yes, and they're manifestes in many ways. Those that me always have persecuted and have been been said so

with me, never have been called. They're two like enanos gortos. Type of duend of cheneques?

No, no, are menos like, are like, they're like humans. They're

their rostro different, but are very gourdos, gourd, are always they're always, they're always

I've been a two two, and of a a child and a little a little bit they're in the

appearance of to be in the appearance of they're in so they're so it's like if a person

a major would have been a little so that they're in the house are the

are the people are the house all the others are outside those are

that are to come to to your house I don't no no I don't

because never never have been you've you've done

you've done has never was, well, no, no, I never. It's always a battle

pernida and no, no, it was an thing incredible. Me, me, me quit them and you know

most buska. Yeah, what you do, Josue about the cult of the salta-mort

because mentioned about a ruckering in Mexico and then in Mexico is I think the place

the place primordial where is this cult or this day. The origin real of the

Santa Mewart is the Anima Sola. The first gravado that I

found I about the Santa Murt data of 7762 as how we

know now. In different cults you see he

was a person in a American, the Brujian is

very influenced by the burgeria Caldea Okay you

know when when the Spanoles to Mexico share in that

information that's more when we're remit to literature like the book of San Sipriano

we can find many because are European and that's and that's practice in Mexico

in Mexico the people think that is much much superstition but you can't be the

Archiv General of the nation and you can't find in the expedients inquisitorial

fetches recetets of the declarations of the bruchos captured in those moments,

the of the 17, 18 and after 19. So, is real.

Tengas or not have faith, the burghiria is the bourgeria, or the

energy is move because it's and the Santa Morte is

a I don't I don't I don't like a

divinidad is the representation that we have the moment morties.

Is that that instant, that lapse, in where your spirit is disprended of your

material. There's a presence to her. Okay. But she is manned and I

in my experience serve as a catalyz of your desire. With God. With God.

With God. God. God. God. That you end sacrificinging that gallina, chivos,

children, women, and those things that I know a much, because I I know

to the most great leaders in Mexico and in the United of the cult of the

Santa Mwerte and of many of people who I'm invited and I'm

going to learn their cult not I don't to talk to because

because I know but there things that my experience I mean I have

more more practicing that the age of the age of the people

definitely of definitely. Of course okay and well for

example right that we talked that also you that even

the day of you have had taken attacks for entities demoniacas what you

do you when you're doing one for example you're in your house you feel

the presence your your body your and the energy that

negative uh yeah always me happens when I'm I'm

I'm to do make I'm I'm I'm people

I'm like right right I'm on here the

people Josue my family is perished. Yeah I've

a month or about a year, tell me if it's a live or what you

see? I don't I'm not a kind of this capacity of this

require my oracul so I know my oracul and there is sure

that's effective sure for course and no and it

and it is when I'm when I have to be to be able to

certain of my energy for that ingress the of other spiritualities when they're when they're and then

me revulc they're revoked so you have been posseid no no no like that

as a little no but imagine that's someone that's you're playing so you're gettingt

let me in form figurat yeah yeah sure but but but the sense

you've seen you've seen has seen you're gonna when you're you're seeing when you're you're seeing

okay So, so, so, so, and, and, and are demons, are those, are scoos. What do you, the, of when it's up, the murder, what is your opinion about this?

Because, yeah, I mean, there's the version, obviously, that has been to, with the science, no, that's the time of the

life, well, yes, but, yes, that process is real in the, uh, well, you know,

the connection of the nebrotransmissors, so, so, so, so, a, a,

You, like, you know, you know that you know to be conscientious of the environment, being,

listening, but immobile. Yeah, no. This, how we identify we think we're really really

the city of the Murto? There's a typical zumbido. Do you have seen? Yeah. Or I

hear you, or I'm thought of so. No, never is the same. One time me passed

when I was listening, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm listening, I'm, I'm listening,

the Rewood, that produces a train, and I knew I was, that's what I came. And many times, you know, you can't be when it's incorporated to you? Yeah. So, is real? Some demons, eh?

The people say, is that I via my abuelita, to my abuelita, to come. No. No. They're not. They're not. They're not.

They're not. They're not. There are two forms. There's a form as, there in that the person that has died of the person that has gone to really, you know,

He crossed the umbraal. That no, that's here in the space of time, atrapado. No, when the person died, when the person was,

and no, there was a disposed. Okay, when you, you can, you can't, you can't,

and no sang, he was, he was made, and someone that's been to the, the, and the derramment

of sand. Generally, those are, what in brugery is used in this type of cadaveres, to try to conserve

their energy, that's your spirit, because not was called a time. So, so it occurred that the vortice that's had to

be able in the 2050, at the 7 hours, five seconds, four thousandestimes, well, no, so, no,

it's, so, that the people that are, that's, that's, that's, that's,

are those, are those are those are these keep, until, until, until,

until, uh, so, if you, if you were, 19, and you would be in 1990,

you would be, you're going to be, this type. is what we we're we're and then these

these spiritualities that they're in the environment so are the

is the hear of something is the bula nah this are the

they're those those they're see look the demonio

not present to that no that's the first regla

so I mean the pingo no it was fortuit the pingo is the demon the demonio

the demonio the demonio yes yeah yeah the demonio only will be to start

where there are two or three reunied in your same that the intention of

that's because we're going to allow to the entity and we we're to

we're to be so you You can't say grittance and I'm

and I'm because to me I'm because I'm I'm to give to give

to the to get to the demonia because you think that you do that I don't

do that I'm there's things that I don't do you I'm things

I'm I'm I'm I'm to make to make myself I'm

I never I've never I have invited to or something because I in me

in me well a pacto like I did and I would

I don't would be able to I'm there there's

there there is a fact it's called juras okay

look here I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

that if you me resue that tell that I'm

me I'm I'm I'm I'm because also the

because the Lord doesn't evangelization you know that one I'm going to that's what you

do you know no if it's if it's if someone to be inviting

then you know they're not so it's it's it's it's

it's it's many the majority of the cults actual they have

had been to the internet yeah of the red of the

reds but but before before before the things

we used we used we were distinctives and

yeah he he's here the other of this cult of this

now now has deformed so and I think to the

probably even even yeah all all all you

see you know you you're doing a a rite is

is is is equivoked when it's like me

to me the rosario and you and some collars

of steria or the rosario and paleria yeah

In fact, we've seen. Well, I've seen much of these of these places where they have their altars,

but have virgins Santa Morte, Yoruba, Palmajombe, Boudoo, or so, they've a mixture.

Imagineate, if no exists in the world, a sacerdote or religious that is able to

know what of their own own to, how I to expose to, look,

to this divinata to this, no. You know, is that is that much people say, is that I

go and my has resulted. Well, because you create the connection. Not a part of who

to who it do you. I have a question for you, Jose. You, you have

been in contact with the devil or, you know, let usher. Has felt

a fear when you're when you're? Yeah, I'm really, I've seen never seen

never more. I've seen many other other manifestations. But if has

seen I've been scared of, this, this, it's a desperation. No, no,

no, no, I don't, not, I don't, to transmit, it's very

complex. The fact, is that we don't to look that's, it's more,

I, in my, in my, in my, in my, I'm necessary to do this. Yeah. You want

to do you want to a spirituality, 12 of the night, carbon, canela, and clavos.

and a marty we're going to the train that's a train that is a train that is a there's

there's a many of there's not there's one like 12 at the night desnudo

that's so the demon no no they don't not those

olores or the olores that not that's that's that's not because

one I'm not because one and I'm not no no no no no

it's more I'm to be that to be you could have taken sex

or seven days before. Nine days if you're a woman, seven days if you're

women, seven days if you're three martyazos two, three and you go to hear

to hear of so you. And then you begin to a frequency exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

That's that will allow the condition so so in this you're to get to

the spirit of the Ades here you'll my petition then you you just in the

carbon that you you put in the bias the canela that's a

aroma, that if is the paper with what you need to. That's a petition or

is a pacto? Well, it's a convenio. A pacto? Yes. Because I'm

I'm I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying a pacto like a fact to obliga

to give a okay. For example I've said after this pact and I'm going to start much

more, sir, I'm I'm be not a woman in

five years 10 years no one one wow a one

so that's a that's a but you let me let me

to learn this I know I know those

are so what you do what you do with Santa

Maria of Guadalupe with with probably Christ Jesus

with with the animus that you said that

for there was that that is the cult of primigeneer. And,

and there's to understand what's the Santa Morty. The Santa Morty is the transmutation.

When you see, for example, an arm of fire, what represents for you? Mourte.

Mewartee. If we to the death, what would be for you? For me

today, the murder a thing, a a An desperat.

A Why? For me? For me? For you, because then I don't have the absolute of nothing. For my person,

the murder signific a a process the the of the after the of the

of the more. Well, the murder in the transmutation. So the the death

of the so, so, image that that represents a santa murder

to ask you a woman to make sure using the logic you say you know

it's not convien or I'm I'm want to use a beautiful I'm

not going to use a rropastro so looking me beautiful who how

what's what I said what I'm no so so I'm so so you know

so you can not you can you need to this divinid

that what is transmut for so the first oration

registered with approbation ecclesiastica in Mexico in 1,11 is death

against my enemies. Okay. The Lord transmut modifica this courage that they

in contra me for what I came to pardon. Yeah. To that that's really.

Okay. But, obviously, as there there's obviously, like, how you're

to pay to what is to do you take a something? I mean, I planed well the idea? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's clear. Of course, there's a bit, this

that I'm going to say, and I'm with much respect, because there are many people who are in this cult, I'm... I'm going to exercise. Yes. That the entity, known as a Santa or the murder, as a matter, is a gregor. It's like the energy, the think

collective of a person focused in a own a little channeling

on the energy and that in a entity and the people that's

that's a demoniac and it's and it's and then it's that you

do it is exactly exactly who who can that

the image is the demonio so the Santa Mord

and has a how you believe Josue no the

of complicated to explain but but it's the reality it's the it's the

it's the thing I'm my mom to my mom defunned a 20 years he said

I'm I'm well I'm put it well no what's what says

the santa scriptures those mortes are so the

demons are they're to with something with something

for so to create the because you don't you

don't you don't you don't You think you is something you, no, a familiar, then then you start

to ask you? What do you think of the people, for example, who intend to contact with a familyar playing the famous Ouija?

Uiha. If it's real. So, your force is real. So connection is real. But the family or the spirit you respond,

no is the spirit family. It's very complicated. Okay. It's very complicated that it's, because the spiritualities, this,

they have a temporality in this year, that they're going. Look, one of course I remember that in the institute I don't know

of where I'm they're coming to make a session spiritist with Madero With Madero With Madero

Okay And so Reunner on the Where are you To where you're You're in Wachaca No but You're not

You're not No Well, When you're Mediroes of Montereyrii Saltillo Much of

Because really It's really It's really They were They're to contact to Mader And I guess I'll explain and I'll say he'll

I say, he'll, I guess he'll, but not be he, because that's a signer, well, how many years he has made, of his funeral, then those spirits

have been a temporal in that they're in this time of things, and if they can't contact them. I know many mediums in the United that

if they contact people, people per die at the communication that they have given with the U.I.

Generer a frequency so back that what it's that's a try to are

demonious. Okay. Almost going to be demonious. Yes, always.

Okay. And is that there have been many people about, we've talked much of the

thing paranormal and people have written, I've never lived and

I want to live to live a experience. I've said, I'm going,

what you can't say you? Well, if you want you a experience so,

this, um, well, you know, you know, you're really what you

confronts. Because the demonio, the demonio that is that is present to the table of O'IHA, will create the conditions in your life, in your environment, for that you regresses to him. Okay. If you're going to start to, for example, that you'll be bad, the health, your, something, something, something that you're going to say, the O'IHA. And the O'IFA will be obligar to and you to say, do you, do, and you, as this. And you,

you, as you've seen your life, you're going to do you're going for this so it's so so you know

that the Uiha although it's an artifact that's that's in the registries

from Egypt, from from times pharaonical and that through the years

of the years centuries millennios has survived is a group sectar

Luminati that is the who is who is dedicated to distribute it for

all the world to that's that's a movie.

Yeah, the actually it was, my mom me told about that it

was a time at the time there's there's commerciales in television

to to contact with demonious or spirits by the way

of the so that that's that's that's so it's

that's years after or so time it was so

it's so it's not not the people of

because that's a conventio, sir, you know, I'm famous and I'll make that

a million can't in your name. No, imagine me I'm you know

a rapero because are of the many and they're in a convention and so

your music you know when the artist in a moment is when he gets

the when you know, when you know, when you know, you're

you're you're a pregary. Yes, a message subliminal. A

subliminal It's a message Secret. Yes. I remember when these these things were going to

see, Gloria Trevia, Juan Gavriette Juan's, Chakira. Well, they're they're just

they're they're they're they're they're sure. Yes, I know

the sacerdotes that they've done to doves to all this a person to people. Yes,

to be passing a little the thing that we mentioned to perhaps at

the day of And we talked to grimorios. You have written grimorios? Well,

this ultimate is a grimorio because rescata, recuperate rituals and it's

included the santum regnum that is a ritual of liberation. When you you know

you know because in serious the people can say, I can't get to

get to get to money Josue yes you know because not

because I was in your destiny Okay If you're If you're You're going to be

happy with what you're With what you Wow That's So one So one One does Always looking

Comminous But record we But remember Those Cominors We're Generals Felicities

Breves It's Mechers In problems Spirituales I'm I'm I'm

I'm So I'm Mettan Ender Pied Al For more Desperados

That the People Sienta No No, for that there are many alternatives that are

in my book or in my page can find to find many many formulas magicas

forventing the problems without create that's in the spirituales because

it's the one once that you know, once that you never busker to you're

it's complicated? It's impossible. Okay. I've I've used that moment

that are 20 years in oration well, for that I don't pass

yeah nothing. The people do you say it's no. No,

in what I'm 25 years. 25. Figgas 25 years. Yeah,

for the 25. Yeah? And, more than I said, no, what's the

problem there's, no, is that my new business no vending,

I'm to prepare this, useal you, you, and the people,

so much thanks, much to get to get to spirituals. Always will

have to have a consequence. Always will have a consequence. Okay. We're

talking to Jose. That today you know, you know, you're doing this.

You know, I've practiced to dogeria. Some experience that you have had had been

with some work of a workeria? A something that you

want to want to be that, you know, I'm, oh, no

see, you impacted, you even caused a some type of some type of

some kind of physical as well all the other those jobs are

demandant so all the people require much my attention

this look when I refer to I'm I'm I'm I think

I do that I'm I'm dedicated to so I'm

there things in that I'm with the people with

the story that you talked about about the person has

of death. See, the people for vulgaria always always die of

a problem cerebral like a like a thing, for the energy that move.

In those work, in those in those I work to liberate. No, so I've

made many things extraordinary very very very very sopendent

but so much so it's that I'm so is that I'm like one that

you want to let us want that you maybe took

something that not like the other occasions. I'm going to talk to a case

to be a very much terror, but it was what I'm impacted incredibly. One

once when I was when I was said, me said there was a man that was

storming that we had to uh, put us to damage it to do you get it

to the thing uh-huh I'm so I'm did for and then

he said, no. The type and it kind of and I'm like

and I'm in my sobberia and all this is like how madres no

this this is and I started and I put me my clecule

and I was I got my poposhcom to and I and I

did no well I go I'm I'm this is to

let let's let in his moment one does

desoblamyentos, no, and it's prended one of your material, and there I'm going. And I'm a enormous goal, never I've experimented this, and I'm

could see. And so, so, I never had experimented that, and I'm experimented that, and I'm again, I'm, so, um, well,

then, then I'm, I'm asking to all the spiritualities, what, what, what happened, what occurred?

So this person I think who is that person Here no It's me revela Who is, they're saying It's a pastor Christiano

A pastor Christiano Of those Legitimus Because you know There's that There's not Well, that's if it was of

those good And no I could Do you know I was the Other people That was Wow

So then Yeah So the Yeah, that protects. I just I'm going to do the people do you

do the do you do that's oration you're in the 50% of the things

resueltes that's what you say a new a book Christian what's he came

he came he came to give to the captives of Rebeka Brown where

in this book one of the women is a pacto and he's

a wife to be to have intimate with him

are they are manowed to attack to And she

commanding legions of the demonios to be one of the one of the esposas because

it's supposed or in this book he's he has he had

so she commanding legions and when when came to the house

where was this man they were and they couldn't be

so it's real the is powerful so but

the demonio not the thing in the thing oh

your horacionc but until the cult most the cult of it's

with a oration the the oration is a mantra that what is

the father is the father is with with the articulation and

modifices the is the is the is the thing is a exercise

in a what is what is the sacerdote all exorcis in the water is

to clean of impureas to change their frequency leora that's the water, that's the water

is an exorcism anews aquam which is what it's what it's what it's a so,

so it's a, so, so, so you know, so you don't, you know, you're going

to start to keep to your, those pensions to, that's that's

bad, how's, negative. Yes, so, yes, so, yes,

negative, of that I'm a thing. I'm a thing. Of the

first, that's a tranquill serenidad. And then will be to a new ideas

that you will give a solution. God. God always prove. God.

That's the Lord and the Lord. So, all those two provend. But one,

one no no, no, no, we need, and the other so

this arrebatta. Okay. Tremendna platic us we've got to venting something

that you would be a great is that many people about this interview and

what I say about much people people me I'm they

they're they're that we're we're we're we're yeah

so yeah it's yeah I'm saying God I'm

so I'm so what's what's how I'm just

about for the 30 no Oh, well, yeah. But, yeah, the Paracid is asombroso. Yes, so many people are...

Yeah, because even, even, even, to the color of the skin and all, eh? But, but, well, no, really, in the sense that we're not familiarers, because there's always to say, that's his son,

that's his son, and find out of the ademones... Uh-huh. Where, Juan Ramon's... No, it's, my maistras, or, my maestro, my maestro.

I think that's... I think that's the cut of the head, so... Well, and the profession, no? Yeah, is that... Yeah, is that...

always I've passionate me the thing paranormal and and I think

it's I've talk about to live to live it's I'm an experience

at the first it's very very and I have I've

shared with the family of the podcast that we've mentioned

so it's not it's not the most the

most I'm I'm you're you're For something is occult.

Exactly. There are things to that you need one to get but I know many

people who see in their busk for fame or for recognition or no see.

Look, I know, I know, I'm the only brother who I know many years

in Katemako he's called Tito Geishpa Okay to

that you did you enter to a recint local there there are

many there are to the taxists are brus with all respect with all respect so, yeah, cards

firmed by governation, for salinas, for sedillo, for senators, governors, photos of to give,

I, tell me more has seen proofs that's like, he says, if you want, to do you

have to say something like I'm saying, no, how you think you do you think if you

want to put to put here to put here to my photo of that Salinas de Gortari was here

with Tito Geshpa Okay I don't know nobody more and also I don't know any brunho that's like in the

television more than you yeah I think now they're in many channels and

but I think that that's so is so this and commento this

because at times they're like in a busk constant of the

of fame that maybe can be and they're able

to inventing to invent to the virgin more more more more than the

So if we we're going to we're to study a little more about the cults the cults

we're to understand that that every sacerote can't have a

different in execute a guise but the enchiladas are the enchiladas

tortilla with salt verde that you want to but you but if you don't

get those two elements then so not so so it's so

so is so in the vulgaria so we don't We don't we can't go to a place

in where there's someone with a tunica black but amending madres no,

but for all the there's a market so I think so my invitation is to

the studio and the reflection that has to be with the divinities but

the more less lehits better if they're results have advances there are

things to support us there we're there are medians that they are really

are very fregones Okay. Well, I thank you. I thank you. I really, I thank you.

I thank you very much that you've done the time. DeVathe you know to do your social for that the people

can also be to know your work. I can't find like Casa Grimori in Instagram and there's

my WhatsApp that is in the city of Mexico, 56, 24, 55, 38, 55,

5,000, 5,000, 35, 35, 3, 38, 55. It's my unique WhatsApp

because there are there are all over the world. So, a whole over the world. So,

a Munton. I mean, I've seen my photo and a telephone in the United.

So, much. And so he's a lot of the curanderos, eh, that no

they're in the reds, it's, I'm my my friend, I think,

he also, he's, he's also, he's, many, many, so,

imagine, so. So, so. So, so, so, so,

so, a video, no, I mean, a little, I'm, I'm, so,

It's simple. And yeah, like, now they're like, yeah, no there's good. Sure.

Okay. Well, then again much much thanks to do that the time. You're

thank you have been to share your information. A your family, thanks too in those

that get to the final. I want to thank for all the

support and we we're seeing probably in a new chapter.

Passen La Bonito. Until the the next. Bye. Bye.

Thank you.