EXTRA ANORMAL - Mis Experiencias Paranormales Desde la Esquizofrenia Ft Beatriz Gómez

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

En este episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, nos acompaña Beatriz Gómez, quien nos comparte sus impactantes experiencias paranormales desde la perspectiva de alguien que vive con esquizofrenia. Beatriz nos relata cómo ha sido su vida enfrentando eventos sobrenaturales, y cómo su condición ha influido en la forma en que percibe y entiende estos fenómenos. Acompáñanos en esta fascinante y aterradora charla que te hará cuestionar los límites entre la realidad y lo desconocido. ¡No te pierdas este episodio y recuerda suscribirte para más historias intrigantes y aterradoras!  

I am Esenia. I am of the group of the Esenios, and after it I have to manifest a message important for you, members of this family. You're going to part of the 1% of the population world, and in Mexico,

the tendency is more or more similar. That has schizophrenia. This is incurable. This is very chaotic. It's chronic. And, unfortunately, your life functional has

been to depend on your family tell you to get a one of all this why

diablos enloquished what you really really what is what is what is what

you're what you do you get you're a there was a moment

in the when I started to feel much fear and when when I

started I started changed and these these of the

masters of the masters but But they got other voices. Okay. Other,

other, other, other, other Ceres. Uh-huh. But those series,

yeah not were angelicales, yeah not were geas. These are these are demoniacos. Oh,

What How How? What? My Spacuerreys. And I'm very happy to be

here with all you guys. This equation I'm very content because is an invite very special. Today is with me,

Beatrice. How is it? Very well, Paco. Much thanks for this invitation. For this

an honor. Much thanks for accept the invitation. I want to give some first to start this

chapter, family. This episode is special because we're going to talk a little about of experiences

paranormal and vivences from a perspective different, from the perspective of a person

where there's a diagnostic that is the schizophrenia. Today I'm content because we're going to talk and we're to provide and

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I thank the invitation. We're going to start this platic in this time and I'm going to

ask how it's all. Let me what's what's before that existier this diagnostic.

What is what you did what you did what you did you did this? Well, a diagnostic

of schizophrenia is in the aspect of the classification of the infanities or disorders

mental grave. Yeah. It's situated in the psychosis. Okay. What is the schizophrenia? The people probably

probably be asked or will have heard or will be able or will be a class of reference to the respect. The schizophrenia is an infirmat

mental of the things that has different types. The most common is the schizophrenia paranoide, which is when you start to

feel that you pursue, but we're going to explain this this this is this this is motivated by

questions of character multiple. Is is there is not an element unique

that can make a person a person mentally, but there situations of type

social, of the type biological, genetic, of type personal, of the

cranesa, even characteristics of personality. Yes. It has much to be the part

genetic, it has also another other thing that ultimately has done

much so in the ultimals that has been to have been with the

addiction to enervantes the addiction to drugs. So the addiction to drug is generating

we're making basically in the hallucinogenes no. It's not my case because

I don't have consumed any alcohol or noralugene or marijuana because the

marijuana not just it's not a drug denominated bland. It's very letal

when a person has a predisposition to psychotisar so. So,

well, what I can say? In my case was basically

a question genetic. I've a brother with schizophrenia, with characteristics different

a little to the mine. I've family ascendient also with some problem

mental. And, well, this was conjugo with many things,

with a cranesa that was very very very formative and was

very good that I define in this moment but in the at the

time in the time in the time That's complicated, no? Sure. That's, for one other part,

then, I was very competitive at the long of the life. I always I always was the student of the

school. I was convinced that that was my major potential. Effectively, I've many many interesting.

But, I'm also, I was a little, let's be a polarized, because it was

a metied in in some submiss but very popular in the

school. Okay. So, I'm a personality introvertida in the areas of

but a part very abirta when it was a question of a question of a

question of a question. And well, I'm convinced I was that this was

like this was the line for the why I had to tryunfar no, like colloquial

or like the people can get to get or in the moment

when I when I was when I was Exit. Like the Exit,

how to have the exit. So, I'm in the university, I'm in the university, I'm

like a ecologist, I did other studies. I've an opportunity importantism to go to

go to a doctorate in communication social. Okay. He's I was two years,

I'm very very happy. It was a tap hermosa, hermosa, hermosa. There I

took the occasion also to know to know a person of Latin America.

So it was something very very very very And there, I didn't present I

no class of symptoms. If I was completely normal. And, in fact, not was a young. Because usually the schizophrenia, for example, or the psychosis

are present in the ages or not. Okay. A part of what? Look, look, Paca,

it can be more or less in the young, women, it's usually usually in the time of puerta or adolescence.

And in the women, for some reason, that's not documented, but that my experience me

it's like it's like a part of the 25, 27, 28 years. Okay. It's

so the women we can't have that possibility to psychotis to get to these more

tardies. This what means? That's that the prognostico of a person

be a because a young, a young, no has a life structured a

only is just a level cerebral, all of his questions of character

hormonal of character biological. In the case of a woman, that I was

a woman of a woman of a woman of 28 years, I have a life, yeah I

have a structure, I had a job, I have a work in the UNAM, in the

University National of New York of Mexico. Wow. And, well, had a

life structure of normal. What happened? Yeah, getting to Spain,

me to the house of my parents, then I lived a years for there.

And in some moment I'm trying to try to I'd write some text,

academic, I didn't have much inspiration, I began to write. So garabatos. Garabats, garabats. Without. Sin sense. And, and, de-repancy,

and did the garabatos. Okay. And I said, I said to your and I want to help you. I'm a and I want to

acceptes in your life. Okay. So, for me it was a very so

I said what is this and this and this I said well what's

what's what's in this moment maybe not I did

much but I still and it was very particular

because I not I don't think that or that

was not automatically but it was but I was but I

was conscious I was I was conscious of that I'm saying, but I didn't even

know what I'm doing it. Okay. They were garabatos, but they were

a lot of a lot was not deformed and there was there messages of the type

spiritual. But I have to establish something about Opaco. I was affin in

that era to the esoterism to the spirituality. And, and, well,

no, it's casual that the voices that of guise or of luminous beings

are of character spiritual, according, according what I see in that moment. Well,

then I discovered something that I was very suggest, so all the nights I started

to write automatically. Automatically I, and I said, well, what is this?

It's something, and there's a moment in the which I've the

possibility to give me the same who were those apparent and then they're

apparentes because in reality are they are three entities particular with a style

very singular of communication that me referer three experiences of how

about the life and the perceptions one was very very

That was like, like I'm a little like I, solemn. And the other was of a high level spiritual. That's all I identified in my head. Uh-huh. And in my head, they've started to talk. Yeah, I've heard those voices. Yeah, I've heard the voices, but not it's because the people me ask you, the voices that were you,

the voices that were like if you were, Paco? Uh-huh. No. In any way. They were voices that were meted in the head. Okay. And so, I asked,

well, with what purpose you're in the purpose of that your life is a more and that

you can't do you think it's a great thing. It was a very normal the, the plantement

not the fact, not the fact of that a voice internal not, I know,

not know, not know, not you know, it's like a language telepathic. It was

like a language telepathic more or less but but I contested I asked

and I asked I asked I asked I asked questions things trivial what I'm

what I'm to do this I'm doing this because me make a little a bit more

this more this more this more this but but it was the solution yeah yeah

it's that's what that's the that's the that's the I'm still I'm and I'm

and in some moment that I didn't understand yeah I'm soplable

in the voices but it was correct so it was correct so

So, for me, it's a bit, it's a because yeah not is

like, like, I'm, I'm that I'm probably in my head,

but me say, it's something that's the fact, the

fact of to share the knowledge is a point that's a point that we're going

to put to talk more about, something, something. Before to continue

with your report, I want to ask, I'm to start this

type of activity to but conscious of that I was going to have to

have been a lot of times? I was conscious of that I need to connect me

these to get to have a important and I suppose that in really

were they're spiritual and I have to cut to something and that

has been to be with the diagnostico psychiatric although we

talk we're this more later of the story to the

story of the experiences and the perceptions the subjects that end up

and that hallucinan as my case with my hallucinations visual auditiv

tactiles ductatives etc are so are that according

with the story they are the characteristics particular of

those delirios is that is for example a person that he to the police

more than to be the hallucinations related to the narco with the with something with something

so I'm so there's so of my story of spirituality and also I've this series of

questions related with what for me me was familiar accorded to accord to

what I do you did and for that I'm so I'm so in this

moment so this moment I'm capacity of able to be able with

certain of a high level spiritual. And that mesiatically and absurdly I imagined

like an epiphany and a, like a kind of a kind of

of my life. Is I mean, I'm to beatrice for Beatrice

the canalis because beatrice the that is connected with

entities of order superior to be that she prophesies because that's

after that after that was that I thought. I had a I had to think that had a type of a don't.

I had a thing that in the communications with the sexervable the concept that I had a

don't know a don't for example. Okay, but you said to someone? No,

I don't no, I'm to say to start a book, a book a book of a book of

a book of that is very was written by automatic without

without being so not conscious, but it was a logical and it

had to be with the effect to identify with physical

with emotions. For example for I don't know something

I don't I remember a pain a cancer of a

cancer of a type related with a emotion specific

and so it was it was a was a list an issue

of enormous of the of a problem of and his

and his affinity emotional no I'm I'm a question

me comment to his affinidad to things esotor

before that that's that that signaled that is some

that is some kind of what he practiced or what recurried before

of exactly. About by example to the and the brujeria

occultism angelology or a kind of practice yoga no see? Well

yoga for example and also there's very interesting because when I

was a yoga I was still very young I had a 20

years more or so so I I'm I'm

I because when we had the meditation final I

started to to listen things. Okay. So, I'm spanted. For that

I'm sorry. I'm afraid. I said, I'm, I'm saying, I'm saying things that I'm saying things that I'm

20 years. That's what was much before of the diagnostico psychiatric, many years, and and, but

then I was I started you to think things, and for that me the meditation not very much

because it's, I think I'm no, but eventually could be something could an interpretation

rar It's that I'm going to Well, I'm going to I'm going to a person I've

heard many many people and seen many times the yoga, for example, is a

type of practice that has a thing to have been much with the mind with the

conscience with things and exercises of respiration to enter in

a type of meditation and even in some cases to get to a state alterate of the fact

of connectors with a and able to bring information to your red actual. There are

many relato of persons that not precisely that's not precisely but that

have been a great facility to be to connect with something and

obviously for any scientific is something so creable, but

spiritually is possible. So, I that I hear of me, and it's a little bit of respect, it would be like a person that if had had been

dispired to some type of channel, that from his 20 years, he permitted to connectarse

with something more more than our same reality. Well, that's a is an

interpretation. It's an interpretation. It's an interpretation. Yeah. I think

that I think there a suggestion severe respect to the aspect to connect me with entities

of other of other embergatura me I'm like the metaphysical not was

the question brugil or magic or not I was of quarks of aromas of angels

of angels of of series of guides of of all but in some moment

he got involved in some no no no It was a way. So, it was a practice. It was a practice,

a thing that common like to buy a quarce or rutilado and put it in a bell, no, a tonteria of this type. Well,

I know who do who does it with all respect but, sorry. So, well, this type of

things so simple I, I was like me was much the attention. Uh-huh. But no had taken

any kind of any that would form a part of my life future. And yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no any signal.

So I, you at the 29 years, I'm going to, I, to send things strange, because at the, of the part of all that I was, with the, with the, with the, the communication with the

beings, there were other manifestations. For example, sentia that the piece was moved, I, sent that the objects also came about the

place. Bea the colors very bright. For example, a

green bandera it was a red perico. The sounds

bass were sounds very very stridentes. Yeah. Cases

I felt the caminard to a muska. It was

like those were agudis were tremendously. Okay. So

So that is, medically, is, medically, is identification as a phase previous of the brotte psychotic.

The phase previous, called prodromica, is a time in that there's a series of hallucinations,

chispasos, sensations, perceptions, very, very spontaneous, and what have to be with this

form in the way is a far far And still more the situation that in my

case, detonoe in the locura. Okay. I don't talk about the word but is the

word that the word that everyone knows. Yeah, but well, so that

so I mean it was a year more or and then then the voices, to the

I was I gave to I'm totally in my head. Yeah not so

they were. Yeah, they were there. And there A moment in that I felt a little bit atrapada

because I said well, of what's that's because I know I don't have moments of peace.

So, they're all the day, all the night, all the time, all the time all the time

talk, able, and I'm in a moment in the which I could feel like the silence

for me was necessary but inasequable totally inasequive I'm saying this is this of what

it's this and it's when I started to have a certain angustia. Sure.

Totally. Because I was abrumated for that. So, but I still were

giving messages spiritual. Me passed on a problem to

sender to another level spiritual. And well, it

was after after I did a process that was

normated for these supposed voices, I sent me that

I moved the piece brutal. Has to come

to come to a dimension different. And it's there when Yeah, it's there when

It's When I was Deuton, the manner Seria, the locura Before I had the

first Brote psychotic, that the brot is when you exaservable the

when one starts to delirar when one and I explain that is the delirio

when one starts with all his capacity florida yeah all these characteristics

of the schizophrenia before I still I still still I still had like

the sensation of that could manage the things and that could control them and in two worlds.

Vivien in the world of the reality because I stayed in the UNAM. But in that moment

only you was able? I don't know I didn't know nobody of my brothers,

although there was no way the voices me said that were to be able to yeah,

not only only certainly feel those and to have that apparent because I didn't know

to talk with one of my brothers, for example, and I said, look, I know you know I see that

you're a man that is a formally instaurated in a scheme of in that I said, and

I said I a narrative very logical that was like a platica but that was necessary

that I had a because I feltia the necessity imperiousa to talk was like

if it was going to happen something I don't see of what type. And

there was a moment in the I had to talk, about, and to talk.

At the first was this very acotado with three brothers, then with

a friend, but it was a moment, and for that I had to

say, I'm to say, my life material and my life, a

level general or apparent was a apparent, it was a really

my life emotional was made a disaster So, so I always have said a problem

of this indole the gota that's the crack emotional if one has the

susceptibility if one has a series of symptoms and for that's to desate

in an authentic brotet because one not is a one is a

important a risk psychosocial a to what what I mean? The

perid of a party the the job, the perida of some parents, the period of a child,

something that you struja is like the puntal for that you know, a situation very difficult.

Some type of trauma. Some trauma. Okay. I have a question before to continue in

that part where she kept, that he began to external to his family, that was

a brother, the voices that were in his voice that was the more turbio

that they they got them to say, how, how those identifications, as good, as well, as morals,

simply, they were some a, a, some message, how those identified? Well,

I was those first, as well, people, like, he got to apego affective

very strong to them. Okay. The actually, I was am I, it's an

absurd. It's, is, how you're going to be to be to be a

God, and it's that no exists, but I don't know that I had that I'm apego

and I said I'm a because they're feeling like I'm that I'm in that way of the time, say is that's

the only that I'm going to believe, other than my parents and my familyers, but are the

really with people who had more more confidence. Okay, so it was it was with them.

It was and the three those three was like bondadosos as good. The three as goodasos

as goodos as well as as well as to be to be to get to get to a moment

because you used a little of peace. It was a little bit of a piece but you know

what you know, that they're like, I'm going to I'm going to I'm in this form,

no, no, I don't want to get in a contradiction. No, no, I'm a

contradiction because according my perception, those entities that I'm saying that

had to have to the spiritual and this significable a RETo. And in this

RETo they were very very durus because if they were, if they

were In my perception, they had the situation that Beatrice advanced to a level spiritual

of a rango, rank, um, I had to pass for proofs. Okay.

For proofs to the interior of my conscience. They were like maestros mentors? They were

like they were they were they were their names. They had their names. We could

know what numbers? Yes, Ungas, Utus and Kacta. But they But they were they identified

like or spirits like like series like angels how they present They present them They present them Like like

As soon as Like guides Like Like guys As spiritual Nothing more And constantly They'd

They'd They'd They'd They'd They'd They'd For example An example

In the Cager Passate At the other Yeah I'm I'm Quint

I'm to know a little of that type of experiences with them that have a semehancy with the reality. Well, if evidently this passed much,

the voices started to be a little turbulent for me because me started to demand things. And this

passed. I said, for example, subete to your coach, bet in this direction, stationate

in this Calley? Parate. There you a library. Advance. Vette to the

right. Buske the stante. There are some books that you need to buy.

And look, Paco, a me I was that I was because

it was so, how I'd like, how I'm so real? It's

was so real. But also too because I didn't want to get a moment that I don't

care of the yeah, I'm I'm set acosada yeah, I felt that the

voices just were, I'm they were and they're they're they're an character

imperative so, does this the other does this do it, uh, yeah,

so I'm so, then my voluntate was disuelted, my my voluntate yeah

no had autonomy yeah and then my my voices those voices

Amorosas They started to Anatomizarm me They started To judge me And I And I thought that They were there

And not You know to say But I had to Have you Because there There is a Paco I saw

And I felt in that moment That if I not did the things that The voices Me Decian I was

going to something I don't know what. Never knew what. But never took a consequence like that, for example,

that said, no, I'm going to do this and pass about a no, no, never. Okay.

Because it's a individuality. Sure. So, as per die individuality was my

only form of survivality, I, I'm a so I'm Beatrice, so I'm a cause,

I'm a maniqui. I'm a marioneta of these things that are being

intransigents, that's are going violent, they're that's they're

being atribulados. So, so I feel a mal that's impressive.

And, well, there's a moment in the I'm going, and when I started

and when I started the voices changed, and you disappeared these

these of the masters. Like that they did that space? Yes.

Uh-huh. Yes, yes, so, so, so, so, but they're

other other other, other others, others, other But those

Ceres Yeah, not Angelical Yes, not were Guas These are demoniacos

Malignos Malignus Malignos Okay Malignos So I I used

How me Maldesian Because me maldecy You can Severe What they said? Me

They said That I was to die And that I was Purgar My My life

in the Inferno Uh that was a that was a bad that was a out of so

like the sounds even of animals I just sentia here the

awedos and and I he had I was too much fear

and I said is that is that me I'm going to I'm

going to get to and and at the a time

he had all a lot of a lot very very

It was very strong, because I saw that my life was like destructurated of a way very strong. Yeah, no,

if I didn't a relation social, adequate, apparently, I, I, I was,

I was, I was a totally deseched. And the life functional of the,

of the practiceity, of what was the reality for whatever, was,

it was a reality, but the that was was justroosting was this life in the

that demonios satanical entities obscuous animas all the time me censured

and me maldecy so this this was very horrible and it was

the moment in the night I had a fear terrible I I'm

I'm I'm I'm my brother. But he said my little

that I'm to come to do with me because I'm aterrower. They're not sure. They were

not even idea. Well, you know I'm talking about a way delirante because that's

a delirion to talk that I'm that you're saying that things are like the stuff are

that's et Cete, that's the delirio that's imperative you have to you have to you know to say because I'm

my other. My brothers were disconcerted because said what what's what's what's

What's going with her? And, well, the question is that in the, like the 5 of the morning I,

there's a force enormous, me, I went to, and I sent in the camera and

I said, I'm a senior. I am of the group of those Esenios,

and I'm to have to a message important for you, members of this

family. And it was a four hours. Four hours. Four hours. Four hours

talking and predicated. My mom in some moment thought that was a question

spiritual. Some type of possession? Spiritual. But then after when you did a

reference in the delirio of questions esotericas and began to to fustigar to the

enemy. Vete enemy of the body of my daughter. I said Mami,

this not is it's true. I thought I'd still have something. I said, Mamie, this no is true. Okay.

This is not not true. No, no, no. There was a part of me that was a sure.

Sure. Since conscientious. Conscient. Also, also. But no could not

avoid saying and talking and talking and and about. But those words were

fluian. Fluian they were in a manner logic. And that information,

for example, in some moment he investigated about of those beings

with that name? Is there information of this in the red? No,

I've abarigued so because no, no, I'm interested

the thing. I'm I'm I'm always, from from,

from that from a moment, more than a problem of a type mental.

I don't know that was in a problem psychiatric. I thought that was

a position angelical first and a position diabolical after. You

think or cre in the possessions demoniacas? No me, not me got much

the part obscure of the exoterism. I'm got the part of the secret,

the part of the visualization, the part of the beautiful, no, all the

black, all the all the amoroso, all the special. So I don't

have no, no finity to the questions satanica and santa or

spiritists, nor of that that. See, communications with entities, visualizations obscures,

never. And, but I liked it was that a repent me let me get in

some moment for curiosity. I don't really in it really in it, but it was simply

even even even a different ingenue. Okay. And well, the question is that

after after after four hours, my My brother, I'm my

brother to my brother, by the cell phone, and certainly he refilled

my quadro, and he made a little with a doctor. And in

that when I said, when I said, you know, I mean, you,

I mean, you, I mean, I, six, seven, eight, nine, of the

morning, me, I'm, he said, to, the doctor. A, where, to,

the doctor? Yes, to the neuropiciatra. What, what's what is this?

What is this? is when it's when it was when you're a mental okay

and well that day I went to the medical to the hospital Angeles the city of

in that that's yeah about 20 years and well the neurop I was

I was too a little I was a young and then he said oh my my ha

this is very that's very stressed you're you're you're

to you're to you're for the proximate you

make an electroencephalogram to be a bit of a lot of a lot of so.

I said the electroencephalogram but the thing is that the innotic because I have an hypnotic and

another medicament I don't I don't I remember well is the medication but I

did a medication and I did a day the next I went to the

university cargated and she encarred by my woman and for

a woman and so I was like drug a

I said, is that I don't go to work. No, I'm going to I'm I'm sure.

And it's when he went to be a cruis, Paco. Okay. He was because

see in all the anterior had been very terrible, all the all what

did it was a and a and a unerumador because me someted to the

perceptions, to the ideas, to the complex mental of the people

that the The most factible is that I think, it's a lot of an mal of ojo, they're doing something of it.

It's a brujeria. She's a book esoteric so there's to keep them and they're many of my

books. Okay. So, things that me was about in that era in that time. So, then they

were my books and said, is that this is over of the demonio and,

and well, I'm I felt emotional moral and personally destrosed and I said

what happened what I'm I'm I'm going to hear the I still listening because

I'm and well the neurosychiatra no me did any other situation of

solution the I was with someone I recommend my chief

with a sacerdote that was a psychiatrist I yeah I explained

my situation And he said, well, what the is that surely the voices amorosas

pertens to the hermandat and the and the voices satanical there are to see that indole

are they are to work in contra of them. And I said, satanical with

a hermandat black? What is that? What is that? And his

heterodoxia no me and I not cudy with him. Yeah no regress because I

don't believe in that. I mean, I was recuperating my reason logic to say, is that this is that this

is that destroating but not no, I'm going to buy to go to any way.

Okay. All the everything or he said to a man mental? Exactly. Yeah,

I get a moment that is a problem mental to have to have to give

to give a power to and fortunately in your moment I've had the

opportunity to to give me account that this had possibilities, although

apparently all, all, I'm saying, but I said, I'm going to see,

my life is made a runpecabes. It's all destroyed, and I know how,

not how to arm this rompecasses. I don't have any idea how

to do it, but I have to do I'm to do because I didn't the phase

prodromica, in the previous, I, I did something, because it was

a It was a dolor that I sentia. So. So, it was conjugue an disequilibre emotional important

with the voices, with the demons. So it was a whole gulgory of situations so complex. And I,

what I knew was that I wanted to be being, and that was to be able to support it. It was a

martyrio, no? It was a martyrio. Also, I had a man, I'm a exophalienic, that no

was diagnosed for 35 years. Okay. And my my brother was wrong symptoms

negative, is to see, he's he took to the camera, he's his room, he's

he's left, he's got to be a fever to the water, et cetera. And in

my case were the symptoms called floridos or positive that are the hallucinations, auditiv,

visuales, what I what I said, etc. All of that was an hallucinatorio in this

class of symptoms. That type of entities oscouras that I heard after

then he said he went to hear a little to hear to be a little

to be to be the manifestos no never never never never

no it was with voices in your head exactly okay

when this person he has the invitation to to go to

some kind of ritual this sacerdote and yeah no

regress but also at the same time I was like very

very can't to the what was going to what I'm doing, what was the what he

was doing? Well, what I started is to give to give me a

diagnosis of schizophrenia paranoid and I and I started to look alternatives

and the first medications that me gave the

instruction to take were those neuroleptics very Antigues, of the

called typical, that generate effects adverse very disaffortunated. So,

all the rigidess, all the larynge it's put rigid, as it's a little not could to eat

things solid, it had to have to be popote or with papilla, because

no could come to say, is that this is terrible. I had a sensation

that's a caticia. The caticia is when I don't see you have seen

the movies of loquitos that are done us because not can't be sat down

or not because I'm going to be to get to get to doltas and it's a question

angustyante and terrible I'm saying that's what I'm even I'm to ask these

grittos or have those effects that in the physical me are that they're they've got

much me desktable me desktablement and and well in this history I've had

the opportunity to go to an medical specialist of third level in

the estate, that was the entity to I was a person of the UNAM

as a master. So, so I explained my case. I've got a certain

facility for the choro, you've you've done to know, and then

I'm chorea to the medicos and I know that I had to

where I had to his diagnosis or his perception were in an orientation

or other. Sure. However, with the medical, I opened and I said all what I said and all the and I said,

look, you're not a part of the 1% of the population and in Mexico the tendency is more or more similar.

That's schizophrenia. Desressably, you've got this this infirmat this infurable this this is very caotic

and there's no there's form of curation is cronica and unfortunately your life functional

has been to have you to depend to your family and you the only

that's the only that is to take the medications of a pointual for that

that you have no a class of a situation adverse and it was

what what happened but you know contrary to what could consider

whatever I'm this I this I don't this I don't I'm

because I want because I want When when I lived in Spain I took the opportunity to

go to go to Europe is a continent little. So I visited various countries and

was very very well. So I said is that my visit of liberty, not I

will have to get to get me in a quarter of four of four paredes.

No I'm going to do. No, I'm to make to do. And so

in that moment I took knowledge a time through a patient

psychiatric curious And I said, and me Sugerio that he came to see a medical psychiatrist, and

well, I went to see to be the medical psychiatrist, the doctor Julianne Mayer.

I was surprised because was absolutely young. I was like a year,

I said, well, and this chavito that I said, I'm going to be a

man a man with an man with experience, no, it was no,

he was a a rhetorica of this of this type, no, so they said, no,

doctor, is that I'm, what the past is that I'm what the other and the other and the other things

me have occasioned on a series of collaterallel epiparid that me have generated

that I'm and I'm my son to be, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me,

what is that what's that catisa, to be who, who's the doctor, the X,

uh, And this is the term that's the term that's the term you used No, well, then me

they're a bit to be to be a bit look me me de

one of all why dieblos enlo what you did really

really what is what is what is what is what you're what you don't

because you're so so so no I'm in this

moment was a of a mar of yanto where really desnude all my

ser tan hered for what had passed for what lived, for the traumas

so that all the things. And it's when in really I felt the

things that were changing really. It was a catarsis extreme the

that I had in that moment and yeah the medical unfortunately Julian

who is a marvellous a great Extraordinary psychotherapist, because the other than psychotherapist, because I'm going to be a psychiatrist.

And that I'm going to work. Okay. And it was an experience extraordinary, very dula. Sure. Very, very dura. Because,

for having corduera I had to desacermed to my sentities amorosas. And that, that was a duelo also. Perder.

Perder to. Perder to my angels. Perder to my guides. Yeah. Because if I wanted to

give me an opportunity of health? I had to despedire me to do all the magical.

Sure. Tantto good as well. Tos to do that's and say this is not exist.

And so, what most the more was desacern me of my amoros of the those.

The first those first. And you never returned? Yes, they're not.

After of the malos? Eventually. But yeah disappeared and fortunately the medicaments,

the antipsychotic atypics atypics that were the that consume and I also the

enormous fortune of that a year of the year of they were unfortunate

because the effects adverse were they're so then

then I had those situations such terrible as those

that had with those antips antips antips antips

antips antips my diagnostico in this moment was of schizophrenia

with anxiety chronic generalized and depression major with

symptoms psychotics okay Yes, yes and a long, a large characterization of a problem

grave. But my gains of living are more grandes. My my own to live and

also to understand that if we've passed for situations of this indole to those

that we've psychotized we don't we can't renunciate to us because I to what

I conclude to at expense of what you can ask us to be that you

is that all is that is a from what the mind generate and create for

in this sense. What I'm that's the that's of the that much manage and that we're a

we're a society polarized between the in all all the social, in the political,

in the cultural, in the economic, the are the are the are like the

polarities social and are like characterizations of type cultural, the type

anthropological, of type biological, of the type of historical, so in the minds of

the people, we're we're not, we're an inconsient, if we know, the inconsient

because guard the pulsions tantit or so of death and pulses and urotics or

of life. So, so, so, so it's a cocktail there kind of

when see in situations like in those that I'm in

where the pulsions of the were those were the most

were the situation. Okay. And to me what my soned was the science. From, there's all over that there were alternatives that were that we, that we're going to the

medicine bio-energetic. We're going to be the chaman. We're going to be the bruce. And visited to this type of persons? No, I was visited. Well, my friends, me... Uh-huh. I was almost a me

get with a with a with a with a second medicina bi-energetic

that the only that was to move me the mind and move me the

hands and I the music no age and the olores lindos but

that's no me quit nothing to say no it's no

but for example visit an example to some some type

of sacerote exorcist some of lib church, in themes of

liberation, a person with this type of abilities, they went to visit? No,

I don't visit, in some occasion I visited a one of my family, and me said, I'm a

friend who I want to you know, and I am a chaman? Okay. I'm a

little department of my friend and I'm going to say, out of here,

you know, you know, you know, and I'm to observe, I'm, I'm going, I'm,

I came that I said What on What is this? And yeah That's That was before The medication

Yeah It was But I was I was I was I was Because I

I'm Because I Because of All right After all of All right My problem was It was

Psychiatric And that That's It's That's It's So Yeah

I had done, like a kind of a kind of kind of

your real and his solution. More than corasa was the perception

of that all this form a part of a construct a magical, magical, religious,

pseudo-spiritual that I would have for some question of life like all the

things, what I said earlier and that and that emerged

in a moment of a of a moment of inability to be in aability to be in with me with the life

and well here was where where I detoned the psychosis I've got a question. Yes. Disculpe if I'm

so that's a little bit more intimate. There was some type of problem great yeah

in your life or with his parents or his parents or abelos? Well, the problem

really was with a pairha a traition a traition of a made of a her wife?

For my wife yeah, a traition of a okay terminate your relation?

I think I'll prolong a time more but it was very difficult for a so that was something

that was a lot of because I had a strong apego to this person

okay never never received a kind of a menace for part of this

person No, no, no. No, no. No, no. No, no problem. For example, more than you, papas, abelos,

something of your line? No, no, never. Never. I was saying that his brother also is diagnosed with schizofrenia.

My brother, he was schizophrenic for 45 years. For 45 years. But the family never it never detected. Okay, but it

for this, for this, or for a extra. And in when a mom,

Papa, there there was there there. Well, my mom,

when I saw that my brother no no, not because

he had attacks of the other of the elements that that

that they give a that is a question psychiatric

in that in the that he's a feel a

that comes and you start an anguish an

impressionant arrhythmia and you want to not want to feel like that's that's

that's what I'm that's what I'm my brother and he was what I'm and he was in the

room and he said he and we're we're in a brother my two brothers and you know

we were to a rinko we're we're we're just yeah for the fear

and what he he's what he's what he's what he's what he's and it's

a pain, because my brother was very brilliant. Okay. Very bright but... And that type of transderns

no, no, my, my mom uh, all ver that the magic not so solosionable

nothing to my brother, he met to the religion. Mm-hmm. He became Christian. Okay.

And she, during many years, all what grew the infirmity of my brother

that changed drastically his life to be a woman so firm that's a woman

was a woman, she converted in a woman, a woman quiet, exigente, but she

had the perspective of that the religion would be the work that would

have to solution the situation of my man and in his moment

the me. And, of my mom attributed my well- to do you my time not to my

work personal, not to the issue of the medications. The medication. Of the okay.

Today for today, those voices disappeared completely. Completely. What time has?

How do you have to disappear? Well, they've disappeared from the moment in the

time I'm that I'm anti-sychoticos. Approximately about about 28 years. Twenty-eight.

Twenty-seven. 27 years, more In those years that I've heard that's voices, there's been

some type of rastro that they've done, something that in some moment or in some day

like it like they're like they're there, but like they can't enter or something.

Well, I'll say one thing. I've I've worked so with my psychosis.

Yes. I've worked that at these altures, I've I've been

the opportunity that's a a marvellous opportunity after a time of a

co-educator doing intervention psychiatric, intervention psycheducative for patients psychiatric and

their families. So, then there I'm an support for my medical, the doctor Julian Mayer,

who is the owner and director of a house of a patient therapeutic

very interesting. It's called the Center of Education Psychiatrica and psychopopautica

Capsi. I I've worked there since 12 years. Okay. And so

there you see the those cases more controvertido, more absurd more, and well,

there, there's to what it's to give a lot of reality and

and to give us that the patients adapt to the circumstances of the

environment. Because what when one psychotisa, when one psychotisa when one

psychotisa, you know, the autoestima or the self-estimuselior, he's social-emotional

or competencies socio-emotional and it is-a- he has a lot of the life. And so

here what is, after the time to work with the psychoanalysis to get

what was, what was, what had had been in my in my time time

and what could be to be the respect to say

I'm to start in this activity but I've the occasion yeah

that for prescription medical the doctor Julian Meyer me indicoed

that me were to live to live a single because it was a way a way

a therapy for to work with my psychosis it would be a person

and a person like a strange like a person like a person that's

without a part of the treatment the doctor Mayer is an extraordinary

person that has a sagacity incredible. So I lived solo, some years. I was

I'm very very close of my work, the south of the city of Mexico.

And I very well. I'm very very until that they were done for a

question X, unjustified for certain. But, but well, me despired of the

job, I don't pay the rent of my apartment, and then I've got to be

to rise with my father, and that was there when I did I'm when I

did it's between one and the other Brote Psychotic that just In those 27 years?

In these 28 years. Two brotis psychotic One in the 96 And the other has been in the 2000

More or less More or less In the 2000 We're about 24 years That's not One Exactly

Okay Exactly In this Brot psychotic It was very Particular because I've

I've Perceptions More more evidentes More Fertes even than some of that I've been

earlierment. For example, I saw the reality like if were a camera of cinema. No.

I know this system an old of Cinemascope in the which the screened one and I

and saw the entire that way circular. So, so I was my reality. So,

I began to think to feel that flotable. I sentia that was there was I'm

was floating, floating, floating, flotando. And then that one day I'd try to be very strong

and front of my family I tried to be very so I'm I'm a therapy I'm a therapy of group

with two companions to who I'm much and yeah at final me I said Julian and I

said Julian I know what I'm not I'm not I'm I'm I'm he said

you know well you have you have the option because you're up

to the top of medications I don't I can't do more medications but if you

do you dokees enlokecer then it's your decision if you decide

to start a also it's your decision I don't have any injerence

in it is your responsibility or enlokees or acced to the cordura

that that was a realrd doctor what cruelty. But in that moment Paco, I said,

no. No? No. No, I don't accept the loquere in my life. No, it has been to exist. If I've had been years of work, effort,

realization, and the other, I'm going to throw the border. And no I'm going to continue to those symptoms. Disapparice. Mark,

put his limits. Puse my limits, and I've always been very exigent with me myself. And in this case, me served

much. I'm going to know to knowqueser. No I'm going to

knowqueser. And has done your medications? No. Or if has been doing?

Yes, and for ever, and there an advance in the psychiatry that

there may that there other options, I'll keep taking the medication. I'm a question.

In some moment, well, you know, but it was probably probably I super that part I'm trying

to live so, and to have, I don't know, to take the medications three days or and see

what I'm going, or in some moment, that's in a moment, that's not. Look, but the

really is that never. Never, because something something that is a common,

is that the patient, in a patient, in when you know, he doesn't get a voices,

you know doesn't, you know, he doesn't, you know, and at the six months recae.

When, much? Or at the three months, four, six, Maximum, recale.

And each re-caida means a murder of neurons impressionate. Sure. So,

there are people who recal, recalene, and get to a grado in the which

is a franca oligophrenia. Yeah, no, no, no, there's a

way. See, yeah, there's no, I'm no, I said, no.

After to know, I know, I'm not, I'm, I don't I don't I'm

to any way. Yeah. I don't I don't, I'm not of this thing. I respect

profoundly the people of the public, including that they share in the ideas, that exist

entities and that exist other, other plans, and of that exist beings, not personificated

physically. I respect profoundly. It's not a part of my system of creencers, no form a

part of what I me has sanated. To me me what I have sanated is the

medicament, the, the, the psychotapia, and the ability to know that can

start absolutely functional. My diagnostico actual is exchisophrenica paranoia with remission total of symptoms.

Okay. So, I don't have any symptom I'm so psycheducator of patients psychiatricks.

I've written a psychosis in co-autoria with my medical psychiatrist. Where I talk to my

testimony, I have a reflection to respect and an explanation about what is the phenomenon

psychotic from the optica sycidnamica that has psychoanalysis. That has to with the exploration of the

life, with the exploration of the first first of the first of the first of the life, as a factor

that adjuva to that a quadro could be present to, at least in that level,

no? So, so that's what I could say. That's interesting, because, and I

also do with much respect for you, for you for the audience, what interesting is to

findstas with this type of experiences that are parallel with experiences

of the ambit 100% paranormal in the theme of the thing of

how they're going to certain conditions certain factors that are

very similar to different phenomena to me me really really for that

I asked so he was a if what was, if what I had this

type of, no see to start the attacks or started to create, to write to write up to receive those

orders if that had some type of sense because there are people that, for example, the mind to say, B, open the door and he agarra a maceta but afura no emacet. So that is something that

has something that that no exists the sense there. But if go caminando, for example, he says, enter there, come to the right,

camina the left, you'll find a book that says this and really is there. that for me generates all the

sense of the world or the fact of for example to say things

that for the people who don't know they know and he go and Googleia

and and you see there information of what is about me

would be much sense and I look with much respect because

is to get the both partient both medical as

normal get on a way and try to

see and differences. So, I'm really the attention, your case, much, I'm very

very content of that he has able to superer this part. I think there was much to

see your authority, the authority that we can we can't exercise over our

body, over our own our same spirit, is very important. I was

about the mind. One of the leas hermetic that's in the

equivalent to that's the thing of that all is mental the mentalism all is in the mind

and it's and the fact of these barrenas to say no I don't

I don't want and that that's a practice that's when one want to

make limits and it's really really so I'm

so I'm really so I know Paco, I think

that's after the years, you have passed almost 30 years of this

history, one could get to conclusions very interesting. And I

think that the most relevant has to have to the thing that

the the most terrible that me has been the psychosis.

And the most that has been the life has been the psychosis because

at the treatment and the work personal me I've been discovered

like a woman valiant, like a woman with a woman with the capacity of power

in a real, not messianica to help to help to understand his phenomena psychiatricos

to be a master I'm not I'm a docente I'm doing tallyers of psychedocation

so this to me me me I'm situa much in a context of a sense

of life For me, the sense of of life yeah no has to get to get to

get to be able to be able to serve with the people, with power to develop

the love to the self-imism an love that's a world and

yeah and I think the psychosis me the psychosis me the psychosis me

he's because of my students the phantasmita of the locura

is a and we have to have been doublyly strong or tripletely

for that we're for that that's so know it's so it's so

it's so easy to be so much and the and those that we have been

we've seen that's a very facilito so so. So,

so we we're our my brother did, my I came in a depression, not in what I see. I hope my fathers are very

that in the moments in those that I don't think of my parents, but that I can't have a period or something, I can't have I'm going to be enlokecer. This simply is a question that I have to assume

like any of any sort of human adult, without, without this story. Wow. What tremendous experience of life, of superation. This type of

experiences I like much because it's a very testimonial of superation of going

to get contra-corriente and get working that side personal, not, to develop

that personality and to startleasing and go and go supering those barriers.

I thank that has accepted our invitation. We can repeat your

social. Well, I'm Beatrice Gomes Villanueva atro gemel.com

Project Meyer, Salud Mental which is a blog that's very little,

beanlo because it's written between the Dr. Meyer and we

have generated a very very a patient a patient medical

in where we we're we we're so that the

people that the people what are the I have two books, yeah are mine, one that's called,

that is about about the about the things mental, because there are much mites. Between them, the attack

satanical, that is a myth, from my perspective and from my logic, narrative.

And also there's other book that I'm for, for edit, that's about,

understand the psychosis, Abel the Enfermo. This is from the optica of a person

psychotic, because I am a woman psychotic although I don't have symptoms

that what that's that's a purpose of a venue of a vener of

a vener of a that I want to do that has to that the people

know that that is that is farjada the law because me

would have been that in the moment would I could have

to have a what was what was what was what was what was

to offercels to that in this moment they're having the disgrace of living as family and evidently as far as

this situation psychiatric. What excellent work is doing. Of really not only the fact of the

superation personal, but the having the impulse, the the and the

courage to say, me functioned and I can help to help the people.

The real, family, there I remember that in the cajita description

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to be I'm going to thank you have accepted the invitation thanks to the audience that gets to

the final I really me I'm a past very well it was a

different where I think many many things again again

much much thanks thank thank Facco thank you really I didn't

my reserve because I said well here in what can

what I It was good. It was very much. I mean, but I'm very very grateful. I think we're to be logical when it corresponds to

be logical. Yeah. Every one can't have their affinities, his perspectives, his manners to understand the

life. It's absolutely respectable. Nothing. It's just about and with all respect, I thank you

much to your public, to your great public, because you have many followers. Thank you. This is

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