EXTRA ANORMAL - Misterios Prehispánicos de la Virgen de Guadalupe Ft Xiu

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

En este intrigante episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, tenemos como invitado a Xiu, quien nos lleva a explorar temas profundamente conectados con nuestros ancestros. Discutimos la sorprendente teoría de que La Llorona podría ser la Virgen de Guadalupe, respaldada por información y conocimientos ancestrales. Acompáñanos en este viaje de descubrimiento y misterio, donde el pasado y el presente se entrelazan en historias fascinantes. ¡No te pierdas este episodio y suscríbete para más contenido que te dejará pensando!

Tristently, as a rata, we have to say brujas because it's what the Spaniol's said. For them, those bruchas are this

being a book of encantamients. Vole in scovas. Exactly, but no have nothing to see. These Tlawel Poochli, Tlauil Puchis

neither willan in scovas, nor have a book of encantamination are some of those things mythological, that apparently still are more

of 500 years. Existen in in Mexico and not know they know not of the good or the bad. They're are here apparently

to our in the people more a place in the people more and they're

going to do you know to get to them. What are the characteristics of this Dioza?

And they're those that now know as well a woman vestyed of black and that

is going and that is going and he going to what are the kids to the

people who Siuacoat or Tonansin is a refer well not are other but the

Meshikas okay is a preoccupated for what they're going to be

about I'm not going to be able to be able to be a lot of people who are people. What How old, and people to be welcome to a podcast

Extra Anormal My name is Paco Aarias and I'm very happy to be here with all of you.

In this equation, a good friend, today is with us Shiu. How is

your man? Well, well, because what I'm going to tell is part of the history.

I'm very content too for your invitation. I'm I'm sure. I hope

that what could be of his And, well, let's let's see how you can impressionar. I'm sure

that much because we've got a previous to the video and the interesting of this is to be certain origins pre-Hispaniacos

of some phenomena paranormal, entes, and things that much people, so much they know

but a time it's very interesting to know from what year, from what when you

begin is to start, before to start, I would like, Erman, for favor, that you present

with the audience, to you're the to do you, and the rest of your time. For sure. Well, I'm sure.

I'm sure. For those who not, for those who not, for those who do you need to get my own media social that are

Shue blogger in any of the platforms. I've, I've been around of 12 years doing the giving the

diffusion of the culture pre-ispanica Mexican, and, and, and, and,

so, I'm kind of to continue to be to tell of me that

during some years I'm working for the revista Matador

Network I'm and I think I'm about about 450 articles

of cultural pre-ispanic and also I'm the best of

history alternative yeah ProSide Woods Awards in 2018 international

was the first Mexican Thank you thank thank with thank you

thank with an illustrator I've I've I've I've of the Mice, this

mark with that we have designed some accessories of the hand of artisans

like what did he during his presentation in Marvel, the Kopili also we've

worked with the Black Peace we've we've worked with the group

firm and approximately with the equipment with the team of Olympic

I'm I'm I'm synchronized I'm I'm that when when you

have this has done this collaboration and and yeah we're celebrating so what

my and my is the culture pre-ispanica and the history that's around of all over of all this part of this

part of the but it's a cumul of books where you're talking the information that you're going to share

the fact I've been very interesting the know how is that provien and how is the

origin of every kind of I'm I want to talk a little a

You know, before to start you have you have you have a termino for them you're

you're mottomans semi-dioses Well, really we're really we're much years of

distance of the epoch and tristently has been the form

correct in that we could we know the things in the case of those

that could be monsters semidios metomann mutants mutants but

simply those we can just we called with the chiseros, magos, or brujos.

Okay. I go, it's a little bit more antivocal, the theme to call those bruchos, the use of the magic, of the brujeria, and, and, and, over all,

I'm, it seems a great, mentioned about a person of Marvel, for the role you're contributing in a theme of

image, what was? Well, for the person of Ten Nodge, more than your presentation for Marvel in the Comic-Con

in 2022, we designed his accessory, called Copilly, the man of of the artisan Leiber Hernandez and was with

the same. It was great. It was genialissimo, man. It was great apart. I go, what good

that you companies like Marvel and all this, busking also, they're doing the man

with great people, artesanos, persons who are passionate of the theme pre-His that's

me make very interesting because very few people, and I talk for me, of my

family and things so, we get to concretar or to learn a

book complete of experiences and history pre-Hispani but I remember that when

I used when I was when we talked about about certain of certain

practices of the riego, it was very interesting because it would make sure

that they in some moment, here here I'm going to

talk a little conspirative in some in some moment had

more technology of the that in some moment you've seen something like

it's like something like they're something I don't know exactly that but

they're something that they were to concretar certain things and that also was like

the kind of you've toped with that's there's there's a lot

of stories so just that you can you can you

can't you you can't the mal called Calendario Azteca

and you can't see a a circle perfect and it has

for between triangles, quadras and many figures geometrical, then you

can't you can't how you're doing it. And we're doing it's that we're not know

those materials, so how they've done those calculations, so how they've done that they've

done, I'm doing, to do you to do you? So, so, so, so, then you talk to

that they're a technology that for us is disconocid, also I don't say that a technology futureists,

but so technology that we're not just for their own the fact that that they have calculated like the Mayas

for example the calendar of Venus, the most exacted of the history of the humanity well you

know it's a little intellectual that's a lot of other cultures even when these were all

on the other side of the world and here and here the question is the

the theme of the technology after a moment you talk about that

there was that there there was that there were a little that you talk about

a treat conspirative that aterra a lot of people, that made that much people did

make up for the 2011 because they were at a point to suffer the end of the world.

I don't see if you know, I remember, I said I was much more a chico, but I

remember having seen notices and things so that the people entered much panico

for the theme of the famous calendar, no, where they said, where they

said, it was to the What you remember or what you can't say of that, you know, I'm going to

do you know, called a year of 2012 where it's made a a panorama catastrophic. Well, in si was the reinterpretation

of the Cosmovision Maya for part of some of some current called New Age, that are people that are people

that are to interpretal the knowledge of the publicspanics in general and adapt to our time.

So they're they're saying is that the calendar Maya is that the calendario

But, well, because the Mayas not were the account that we have been the course. So, they don't count

before Christ and then they're a count that's the time we don't know us because the Spaniolus because the

Spanish 125 years that was around of the year without the year 2012 without we could we're real or

no. And, and also the Mayas said that were there were catastrophes or that

there were cataclysmus simply is a is a feature in that finalize

some of his countes but also also an intent to do

make a marketing with they're to make sure about that they

have said that they were going to the world and that

was it was the final of the it's the

sentiment of also to also also generate this

thing of the world that's a thing when

we began when the questions so very conspiratives,

of that will pass this, will pass that meteorito, will pass or will go to get the pes remo

there. The pes remo there's a classic of that you see the that the peskators

or certain playeros be in the pet remo, no, well, so it

represents a end of the world, destruction, tsunamis, thermotos. So,

I think it's part of our naturalness that he does always the inclination

to the thing negative, that's always has been that we always

more more important. But right I think that's brother

a phenomenon that the people not only in Mexico in Latin America in the exangerer

have heard in this podcast and that so all they cause much fascination

balls of fire that also are known like our clue Puchis

the clue Puchis or clowelpuchli are one of the 40 magos

that enumer Alfredo Lope Sostin in his book, 40 classes

of magos of the world Nawat. It's a book that can't get in the title and they call

in the title. And it appears like one of the magos most those people who were called

or so they're they're they're and it's his name clowel Puschli

and it's called as a humador luminos that we know this about this

about this some moment of the ballas of fire luminous yeah exactly so

so much so much people has created over others have seen but the

reality and it is an actually is that appears in this book,

that is the history from from the years. So, not is something new,

not is something that was made to the way of the people, but it even

of them, existian these beings, that apparently they can be dispreend

to certain parts of their to transform to also

of in in the food. So, the the

theory popular says that chup the hunger of the but

also he's contable after 500 years. So in that in that in a

in a little then they're their forms to oriental or his forms to repelers in these times

in these times yeah combined the cosmovision of the publics with the Christianism

with us because you don't you know a piece of cross above of the almoada. Yeah,

yeah so sure yeah are called bruchas no as well the

people or the Europeans or the Europeans those people are because I want to

the form in the people of the people coincide to the is very different than what you can

coincide in the people pre-ispanical. For to start, the Spaniores and the people, we

know, we've heard of many people, to say, is that we have to understand,

you have to understand, you know, there is, and exists a mal. So, what in the

public pre-ispanics no applies. So, to try to understand what they

are the spectros, they're they're are testives, we have to try to learn a little what we

know what we're for them there's not, only exist the world is, it's what is. Exactly. And then

these spectos no have to be any with a demonio, or with a spectrum, nor of that of that type.

But definitely those got them described and they were their form to libear with them.

It's that really, well, I remember one person that made the comparison of the

cluepuchis versus the bruchas europeas that are painted in form very different

I'm I'll tell we say that we're about two phenomena different but a

sometimes you say the information that we know the information that we we can't the media

of communication of the movies movies cinema we're many sometimes

englob certain things but I when in some moment I read a

little about the Slawwepuchis is the conciement that they had

the revelation of mysteries, the sanarian that they could, that they could get to do to get to get what they're doing,

that is raptor people, this, the thing of how, well, is that they're and here's in the stories of

how they chabhan the swing to the unbarasas to get us to get to the baby, standing even

into their own of the things very sad and very scalofriant but me they're to come

that you come back that's about since more of five years, so

our the antivos indigenas have been of them, I mean, there was a fear of

something that's not quite in this time, but they were they're perceptible

for them. Yes, and we're supposed. And we about it because it was

because it's because really not they're able in front all the time, but they're

they're the same that right. We know we're we're we've seen, there's

people who have taken a contact with them, but really It still being

a phenomenon of the no, no, no, there's no, there's a detail about what they're

about, it's that the final of the point, I think, is the phenomenon

that's and it and it a voice, too, experiences of the people.

A me has to be the ballas of the water, in the

Sierra of Wauaca, in a place in the state of Mexico, but I honestly,

I've intended to be always the logical of what I'm what I'm doing. So, no is

nothing that seems to be a antenna, no is nothing that doesn't because the

most most circano that I have is in Wachaca in the Sierra of

Waxaca but in a place where no communication. So it's

impressive because your mind and you start to try to find

the reason to something that maybe no it is what is and it's

there and it's there and you to the day of today of you think

that is a really? No, well, more spelunate sumando to what you

say, right you do you do you know, to do you to make sure to a

little to a lot of and we say, well, no more not it's a ball of the

football, but the maybe a or a thing, it's a few hundred

years when it was, you could you could you could say that it

could be simply simply fire, no, for so they they're

so they so to alliant to their other other thing

more than the other thing. Many people have said, it's a fos, not these

fires that are in the metal. But really really would this is the explanation

for a phenomenon that much say to have seen have seen in the

sea over the water. It's I think no because they have

a different to the things that you comment that you commentas that they

can't be like they're like they're Fegos with Colors Strachios

The other is a normal It's a Rho like what we know we know we

that simply is just like much it's like a lot of cups of arboles that play

between they're that they move and they're going back the serros

things and I remember much a story so that I will

to be to be to a person precisely to a master

just in the sure of the to places so much lexanos

when they're when they're starting their profession, his career and

in that she's she's she's and he took to go to do

to do a class and a very, very away of a

community where to get to get in bestia or coming but

not for media transport that's there for the 2008 2006

approximately and the interesting is that she the being of a

city, but not try like these ideas in the head of the way of the

person, you're in that's a little bit of the people to say, Maestra, come in the

eclipse, make this this embarasada, put a liston, put in the skinned

put a little of salt, granitos of moustache down to them. He started

to say a lot of things in a mode of protection. The detail is that

she she I don't in this and for respect he said yeah,

yes, I'm going to do it, no problem but really she said, some uses and customs

from here, they're respect them, but I don't think in that. But yeah,

after some days of having been been there, she was to experimented

something something, she said, as a world where almost not had

electricity, some places had electricity thanks to panels

solar, but in the place there was there there

this part of that it was a lot had to get to get to get a open the window and to get to

get a lot of so I'm a lot of a little bit in commuidated of fear independently for the

thing paranormal because if it was a place a very, very very, very much, could enter

an animal a bitch or no see and she and she said no is that I had to completely

completely the window of the room for to carry a little a little and a

madruada he took over, see for the ventana that was open a little a pointito

rojo. And she has to call the attention no. She said a little she's

incendiando something how it sometimes that the people that people take

the rest of and for the video or something always always looking the lot of

but she see that pointito not was a fio the pointito

had this and it was to move and it started to

move in one of and say, I'm going to ignore no doesn't, it's all over

the window, and he says, the student, what she view. The students, he said, Maestra,

is there are being the balls of the fire. Necessita, for favor,

if you do you know, he's, but if no, for favor, put a

on the end of the unas and they and she and she she's like that

she's kind of not I think, I think, I mean, I've been something has been

something what what happens in the next nights is that she started attacks of panic because

she had suffered a paralysis of the but in her paralysis she was a context was a

a place the quarter where she was of material but the techo was of lamina and the

middle was like this palm seca like no no I

know I don't know how so it's like but it's when she was

I was sleeping in the trance with a ventana abirted, and I started to see the room, but insegied how something caught

the techo and and then that caused me because she thought, someone want to come here and to

make me so, then she she was not to his students, and to the parents of the

master, is that you are doing, where you is from the school, of the school, for favor

if you're alone, take your precautions, and he he had to sonar a little

logical. One night was what detoned the bomb, brother, because that night,

he said, do I'm to go, I'm a little bit, there's a little bit of not going to

be a last time. That night, she was the time when she to sleep, he does parallis

of the I see how his window it's open for a great air, a current

of air, and then I'm to see how these balls began again to back back to the

hill. And she saw how they were on their window, I was, yeah,

it was there was there and how something was up to the door and

and he was not to start to the but inseid to start to hear

to two women. She she she was she was

she was brinkable to the lamina the grad of that she described in the

relato that the lamina was chattable of the goal of that that something

and the rizas in that she said what I said, what I said,

and for my back in the camera I went to a corner I got my armada

and I'm a rosario I'm going to get to the man temblorosa and I started to

bowar to rest the Father started to protect to protect her and in some moment

she said that were like the one or two the morning not at the time and it was how they're they're doing

the door she's really she's much fear when when in that she says the voice of one of

the parents of family that says maester is fine maester is fine yeah

come the man's all the people and all the people they were doing what was the parents of

family that they They had. They'd see what was going to what was in

someone and came to get a lot of people. And all, both, both, both,

both, both, both, the people, like these things, like, they're, like,

are two spheres of fire, they're and they go, and it was the

more that she was the story, and I play those and I talk to

the time in general historical, pre-His, me caused this this theme of fascination

of the know how a phenomenon of the last of five hundred years to see

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coffee and delivery. Is that's a time. The world pre-His his cosmovision,

his form of life, all is apart. not we can't try to compare to our world this that mentions

of the balls of the we've seen we've been we've been many times the boca of our

parents, brothers, and it's five hundred years. Tristently as a rata we've got to

let's say bruchas because it's what the Spaniolus because for them the bruchas

are this are this being a book of encantamient and so vole and scovas exactly but they're

nothing to have nothing these Tlaueel Puchis no they're in scovas or they're a book of enchantamines are some of

those are not those things that apparently still in five hundred years. Existen in Mexico and no know they know any of the

bad. They're not apparently to our view in the people most alexed and really not we know how

live with them okay. So the Spanish and yeah the Christianism in general since 500

years they're trying to do an method to orientate the lighters the sal

but it really that they comprehend of this way of them to simply have been

a coincidence because they're just one of the 40 types of these people of the people who

there's there's many that they can't those of those of those of

the blows of the fogos are those those are those those who are those who are those who

can't those also I'm the mometscopinki that are so it's supposed that's

the the Catecolot, which are the bruchos supremed of Mexico pre-Hispaniac or those Teotlaski

who are those who can control the climate if it's that Clalok they got in a rayo they've

they've been all the bendition of Tlok to orienting the jubias or to provoke those

there's magical of the Mexico pre-ispanic that no have to be that they're not to be

those granisers those are they're going to go to be to be there's in the Pobokatepeat

Before they were the Teotlaskis, and they used to be called Graniseros. For the Spanieless, they're just in five hundred years, so there's been five hundred years.

There's a question. For you, after you, after all of what you have lived, has investigated, and you have read, for example,

the phenomenon of the clahepuch is you think that are women or were humanas that maybe for the revelation of mysteries that

they just tookiered or acquired their humanity and they've been in a series of

obscurity or it's some type of a person that's getting much more

than the most humans but have opted for a form physical well what

they investigators and the same the same book of the 40

classes of they're being human they're they're not more just

a part of certain moment the women and the women and

they they're they're they're they and decide to other

Tlawel Puchley, men, or women, mayors, if they decide,

continue continuing with the, cultivating these or prefer they're maybe

to be static and not to do nothing with them. So, so they're

not, I don't, I don't we don't we can't know, because really this

thing of the light, the being and the mal is a thing is a thing,

but here we're not know how they they're the only we can know

is that are to be sinistrous also. A little why not think that some of them

even entered in contact with the Christianism and with the things bad as far as for example,

demonios, spirit and then then they took form of something more more more powerful. Yeah,

so they're more powerful. Wow, no, I've been thought so. And there a time,

for example, also, also, of the Mexico pre-Hispanic of many,

of many there can get to get to but about precisely of a

type of sort of some of my favorites are my little, and they're to give to

give a do a good susto. Talk me of the Chenekees. Those chenekes Well,

this is a mythological that I think that's in all the cultures around of the planet

Yeah like they are all all sides. So, then it seems there's

a much coincidences no? Yeah. Appear with the Mayas in form

of Alushes and appears with the Nahuas in form

of Chaneke my abuelos sonya-nu and they they're they're they're

they're they're they're with their minding and they're they're people

people and then so that's so the arras or the of the of the

little we're little bit little platitas comales molcagetes and the

only that they were that they're that they're that they're that they're then so after

the only says you know that's protectors of the Bosques. For example, the Popol Bu,

that is the book, Sagrado Maya, well, it's about the gods created to

the animals and the plants and also to the protectors of the bosque. To the

the guardianes. Uh-huh. So, it's a same thing all the cultures, simply

those have like protectors and apparently they have to give some type of

tribute. Offrendas, yes, they have to their food, they have their

her bed also and passable in the world of my abelos that we

were in the little trastecetitos and not those little we're going to do a specific

of malifix in the to dovio a ball to get to get and it and it

also it was very sounded that they were the chasasas that's a lot

in Tuxtepec the people for example people of my family that has these spaces

abiertos where are their animals, cochinitos, gillinas and caballos, I remember that a family of my wife, precisely, was not a person, it was a person

very serious and very of this, a little bit of an man who's a great, of that if she's, no, see, in a place, and he sees ruidos at the 4 o'clock, you know, he's got to her, and see, what on? I mean, a person,

yeah, my respects for this type of people, today, they're saying memes, to them, of those the abelos that the with the devil in the cerro

in the serrum classic. But this person is of those. It's of those. And I

remember one that I started with the videos and the podcast about this in a food

family, I said, is that I say, but no you're not to be to be

to be to be to be to be to say it's that it's he's

that he's he has much time that he he said

the how he He said to his ewea has a name A man I don't I don't know I'm gonna

reference to the Yegua says that he said that he had some a time that he

had this animal had this animal had well in his abelantly he was

so I don't know how he's but he had trances but he's it's rare

because the transas not are the transas that you know and we knowces

the trances so, and it's chisitas no, so they're like they're made that's like those

little little, and they're in two caminitos and a sometimes come in three

and they're so they're very raras and all the morning and I'm I'm taking the tenses

to the yuea so so the so the he, he's he,

because it's only like it's like a dormitory nothing just with a tach lamina and

and madera around he adento doorme with eight perros. So he goes to much

the animals but he says that since he's a starter and see that his geowate had tenia

trinces the the perils they were they were very tenses in the madugada

and said like they were like they caused incomodididate and all all they all

they had in his catre and the eight perros and he had been and he he had

the ball the word is the fact he likes the animals but not about incomodidate

in the animals. You think that these can get to cause that this type of incommodity in perros,

gatos, et cetera? Well, look, in the catalog of all these magicos

that existen in the Mexico there's one in special that was very

aterrador that's called Whitlapanton or Santapachton No, Sentapachton

It was they described with a woman enana Okay and that and that

can come like pato and that has some tenebroses and that appears and

disappears like a woman like a woman chiquita with a coletas and no see that part

of the chaneques or simply simply be a other spectrum distinct to

but for the that the he was he was then I didn't that they

were not that maybe that that was that that aspects are

an well, an enviated of Tescatlipoca of the God, the God, the God

supreme. So, then they're not describe that these types of sets of the animals.

Descriven that's in the people. But, after the moment, I've encountered

something that related to directly with the animals, but it's that no is that no

suceda. It's that no there's there they're They're a lot.

There's a lot. There's a little bit. And for any human the start of that's

a person to cause would a much fear. A person described as an human,

I have like a perro, like a perro, but with a collar of

mano of Chango. It's he's Frey Bernardino Zagun in history general

of the Cause of New Spain, he's a frule that he

asked to Once Caida, Tenor Chitaine, they're all about his life. Religion, government, Dioses. And between the things

that they're about this monster called Awisot. Awisot. Ah, Wisot. It's a monster of water. And, as,

as it's like, there it's like, like a perrillo, with orhages puntiagudas. And with a... In the collar has a man

like a chango, it describes. Okay. And this being attack the person when they're a lag

but the way in the way that's that's the people is just

just trying to imitate the sound of the babyes one once

they're to the and the hand to the collar and

and at the three four days appears the and

the without without no and without noh and

he he ran the parts crocant the no

man so we don't we we could assimilar as a

malignant. And then they say that the people that were, well, the people

that were in the instant they were to do it because it's a mascot of Clalok, for so

it's an enviado of the so it's like there so it's sold to my perro

no? Well, we'd say it and also the person that was the person

that tried the person so I'm no, no, there'd no, there let's it,

and it he'd he'd to go to the Rio. Yeah, to the Lago

finally, that is where it's where this is an inventing, this is a frayle, a sacerdote of a 1,500

No, you know, you know, for sure, for there, for there, for you know, for you know, to be able to

tell, and all this, back to talk, and all the spalded, editorial. Yeah, this is called History

General of of the New Spain, of Frey Bernardino of Sagan, it's a book of history, no, it's a

book of no, it's a book of a legendas, no, this is what a frayle, he's

mechikas and they'll describe with the detail that they can't. So here is a contented

that monster called a wizard. Wow. It's interesting because yeah the point is

like you say it's a story of the story of a story of a story of a story of

these civilizations of what they have lived of what they've experienced. But I want to

in this point of a phenomenon that is known in all the world. The

Yorona. Platikens of the Yorana, the woman that yore. The woman that's

a story in a wrank of a rancke of his children, and all reactionar what she

did, then opta also for her to take her life, for having problems

amorosos with, here it's an extra an stranger, no?

There, as being a woman indigener, and he's and he

and he and he is for so that does what he does, transform as in this

spectrum as in this spectrum that today according it's seen and it's a good part of the

world. This this ser that mentions the Yorona has practically their version

from the United to Central America depending the people where you but the register

most ancient and more the only register real that in a

book of history appears in texts pre-ispanics precisely in the

book that I've I just I've done There's I'm

So what They're So it's that years before the years after the year before

a woman crying and grittando for the nights my chitos to where those

I'll get it Okay So so it So it's apparently for the

channeles and the people is what is what is what is what is what is what

is going to this is this woman of what going to what is

The people, with the time, the people called the Yorona. So, there were these versions like what you tell me is of a woman, but there are no of those books of history.

What there is that is a woman that year and that's a woman that's a woman and that's vocation of the goddess Siwa Coat. Okay.

This goddess Siwaquat has another name, that is Tonansin. Yeah. Tonansin has a temple

in the Cerro of the Tepeyak. Yeah, more we can imagine of who we're to imagine of who we're talking.

So, this series of apparitions we can find in a book that also can be used

in Google in PDF that's the apparitions of Sivouacquat of Rodrigo Martines, where

us describe what are the characteristics of this diosa and are the one that we know

as we're like the Yorona is a woman vestia of black

that has some arreters of obsidiana and and that go can be

and what is a point to happen to do you So, what are

the kids to I'm going to Nansin is not other but the Mexicas

Okay and it's preoccupated for what what they will be going to language

Nahuat to the Spanish like our mother Tonansin not a Dioca

Don Anxin is our mother and if if we put attention to the actual

Virgin of Guadoup exactly they they're they they they

They're the mother of the Mexicans. Exactly. Why they call them so? Because when when they got the Spaniolese, they were the new deities,

that was the Virgin of Guadalupe and they said that's her mother. So they're saying, it's Tonansin,

Guadalupe, our mother, Guadalupe. And the Spaniolese, also the frail, that is too

because the Mexicas or the Poules Nahuas come from very lehanas Tierras and signal

as it like it has been doing and before to this temple

to visit to Tonansin but he's because he says the name

of Guadalupe or the name of Maria not is Tonansin so there is

a no in this type there there there a lot

of there many different between the temple of Tonansin

of T'A Kowat which is our msiquot, our mother, this, this,

a woman serpent and they're the virgin of Guadalupe and then the Mexicas and other

peoples Nahuas yeah been doing their celebrations from from years not know

we know we know so years, but they they're to see his mother

Atonance Siuacuat uh toin Sivakot they're not going to go to Guadalupe

they're they're they're they're to go to rest, to whom they're they're saying, but they're

they're still their faith and they're trying Don Anzin. So, Bernardino of Sagan is enoja with the friaries

of this time because yeah no want to say to the Mexicas and to all the people who

they were his mother. Preferire that they did just the Virgin Maria or the Virgin of

Guadalupe but not his mother because at saying or at accepter that they

they call our mother then then they can call Ton Anxin and so they're

referring directly to the god mother, to the mother, to in those

times for the channels of Tenos Chitland yorand and lamenting for the future of

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Pregunta the million, when you talk about you, groups religious? Yes, for supposed, religious or religious, even people who simply have much faith. But, but, well, it's

that I can't do you. But, let's see, I mean, is that Here is this point, and I also also do with much respect. What you have to say, not you got to get us out of the mind or the head or was something

that you occurred to yesterday. Erman, here is more, you can't show to the book where it's written. It's a story.

It's a book of history. It's a document historical. I mean, they're talking of relato written,

um, given to this editorial where they can plasmar all the information and it's information where practically

they're saying that what we we've been today in the the pregrinations of the we're going

to the serrita to be there to be a really it's a practice to do a a entity

or a a dioza Mexican because not call it but that has nothing to be

with the Virgin Maria one something something but I think it

was so you know it's for the fact to give rendiener tribute

adoration if you you want to the true to the them. Well, our

antipasas Yes. And as no me I'm not I'm I'm going to think it.

It's a book of history. It's a book that contain the testimonies of the

Navas, of the Mexicas of the chronist avalado for the coroner

that's that he he'd ask us. So in this book that I'm

this moradito but it can't find in the page 681 and here us

about the addition about superstitions and And he does a paragraph complete about the

mollest that's the frayle because they they're saying Tomansin Oh,

so it's okay it's okay comes this part where they're impone

religion impone creences cultures but but obviously is the

part also that that people who have certain areas and they

they're they're their own and you can get to to get to

say and to get to say to be a year sabat and

here here is Maria and it she, the that you're going to do you, the pregar,

etc., etc. And yeah, it's been so obviously no. So, obviously the people have their

things, also have some their absolute or this asacement, and they've done the form to continue

doing it, I'm not to get us even to the people, it's more, it's not so easy

for you're to get a person in and they're to say, you're not you're going to you're

on this, you're not not you're, not you're, not you're not you're, because are like of your ancestors.

No, of today. It's of the last 100, 200 or 300 years. No, those are you. Now, the interesting

came here. This woman, Tonansin, Sihuacuat, is a year- and is a woman that awoged to his children,

not a woman who has a mori-o-o. It's a god-a-d-o- is a-d-d-o- and is the goddess T'an-Sy-Wak-Wat. And is it

is a trite because of what what will be to do you to do you is an invento, here is a page 681,

if decided to Oscar, this book. Wow. Tremend. But, but in what moment

we start to see to see a tonne? The woman that was for the canals

to the one of the woman that is the woman is the woman is the woman is the woman

but we know we refer to a spectro to a spectro to a woman that vaga

that no took this transcendency to the more than because something that was a type

of a some type of maldition for that she not would have and stood

for the years of the years until the end of the times

and the time of the mess of this mix of this syncretism Well, those

Spaniologists were very molestos of the fact of the people of

the Bay of Mexico not assimilaran the class those so obviously

they're going to discrediting and they're going to call demon

or spirit to all. So, what what do the legend

of this Dioza, you'll transform in a spectro, in a demonio. No is a Dioca, it's the devil

that's it's all right. No, you know, it's a manalignant. Now, there's other book, Vision

of the Vencers, which is this. This is written by Miguel Leone Portilla, and here you

can't be edited by the UNAM. And here in the part inferior, the text

says, the text appears to Zihuacuacuat that grittable for the night. This is

one of the antecedents of the celebr, Yorona. Okay. So, then when you put you to learn certain books and you start

the cabs, then you know this woman that you're going to be a woman, but it's a demonia but a goddess and his children are the Mexicans or the Meshikas of this time.

The mother of the Mexicans. Yeah, she's, and she's being Tonansin, our mother. Wow. It's the woman vestia of black that's crying.

But to to algear to the Mexicas of their creencers or of their gods, then they start to say that

is a demonio, It's a little diabolical. It's something. It's something, the satanizar certain creencers generating or speculating and the fear and you know,

and you know what is malice because it's malo and all what is that's out of this is good, what is out of it. And it's not

and it's going to be to be bad to you, for your family. It's in position of creencers, I think, a base of

the fear, generating fear in the people. Yes, and then if today we can't

talk to people that have seen or that have said we're doing we're talking we're not

people who are people who don't they're the lamented a manches a bit of let you're going to

go to what you're saying to be a bit we're we're we're

that we're that you're that you're that you're that you're that's because it's because it's

because it and vice versa no and all the we're we're we're

of to be to a a sort mythological? Yeah. Could you

be a mythological? Yes, if could be to prove that's real or we

think it's real. So, we're talking about that's about the Tonans

Zywoat. Okay. It's that the testimonies of people because I

have family and me consta because me have shown evidence

that right I'm not there I'm but in some moment I'm

the first the when when he he's the These relato

not say any there are my children, and where are my children, and nothing that has to have to be

with your children. Simply it's a lament. But it's a lament that the

people that has been to get to the muscles. I'm I'm involved

in an environment in an environment of a fear, of fear, and

you know, that sensation in the wosos and you see a person automatically the people

people are the people get to, mettete, gette, Cierra the door,

the door, the door, the end up, the thing of not to get to get the bad to get in,

that's, that's that's that I'm heard, and is that I've heard by the

people and it, and it does, you know, a, yeah, it's a,

imagineate, and here to be in a little in a rancho, no, in a localidad yeah is

in your night, and you're in your quiet, and you start to get to

the, I'm, you I mean you're going to say. And at respect, what mentioned the chronists of the century 16

is that gritted, to where I'm going to get to get me when she appeared but they said they're saying

for the nights lamenting and and you're not always grittando with this grito that we know

but simply he doesn't just you're now well she she is a goddess guerr as

another name that is Yauciwat Mugug So it's a smil feminine of Witsilopochli is a woman

guerrower and the gritts that's well you mention not necessarily have to be this where are my children, to where I

would have my children, but a matter and the interesting here is if all the people who have

heard of these laments they were they were other type of there. There I go.

Because then I would I'd like I'd say I'm, and I could start equivocating, because there's no, there's who I want to correct me, the expert out of that I want to correct it. It's fine, I'm able to quirk. But I'd think that then we'd be of two types of entities, that no has nothing to be one with another,

but that probably the only that the only that they're going to be equales is that the two or the two is going to lamenting something. I'll tell you an anecdote that he passed to my family justly in the time when my abuelita was just in his

the last days of the people that know my story, that's in

a woman, she's in a car and they're in a little bit of they're and they're

getting the brujeria she a better but in those days yeah in those

days when she was yeah at point to part then the family came to

my mom and all they were and all because my my mora had been

the night that all thought they were they were so they were

in case of that were so, you know, so it's a occasion, this, all the family and the

house of my mom, but a lot of course, because, there was there was in the

piece. I was, I was my abuelita, and was my wife, and I was my

house, my wife, in the cell of my mom, my men, but all

in the house, but it was, so, it was a thing, and I remember

one they were they were very very very four of the morning

because some they were very very and they were in a occasion

she went with a she went to the she was in the vehicle but it was almost

that so that so that night that was a night a night a night

where the night where the fact it was very there's we've heard

we're all very so very scalofriante and they're they're

up your vehicle and advanced about four quadras So he was two tias,

they were primos, and they were in sobrinous. So they went, so they went, and it was in the night. And it was to-day-it-old. And they were going and my tia

would have to some of my house. In a moment, a tia, the kid, the he was in the copilot, and he said,

look, poor-sita, and who left there out of out of the because he's so little

while can't come in the night but it was the first he said

it's it's because it's because they're in going to go to

go and going to pass to her to my my my

children and say no that's no that's not

a little fiches and when when they when

they're coming passing on on that the the

being that was there was so Of the way to see that. Then, in that moment,

all, all, all, all, all, all of scalofrio, of much fear. My Tia, who was going to be going to,

so, so, she got totally absent, because they were everyone, they were a person, when they were

a person, one of them, one of them, like, hey, hey, hey, hey, what happened? So,

yeah, so, if, all we did, all we've, all we've been, and then, then in the retrovisor,

no, to say that he was coming at the banquette four, five,

four and a minute at approximately solita crying, yorant. Pourecita. They said

they said, oh, poorsita, who did he? No, manches, no, not it was

a human to be there. So, this type of experiences, what I always have

said, they're much the phenomenon of the yorona. They think that was

the yorona, could have been a other. You, what you think, we're

understand that are those are two worlds that come in Mexico no? A cosmovision

that is the Christian with all what it even those demons, those spirits and other

that is the of the cultures praispanic where are all these these things

all this so when could you know how you can't you know when you got you

and when you you're because the two sometimes sound or they're

and they will depend much of our things so all all what you

and all what you know you do you do you that. I want to

a phenomenon that we talking, retomating a little bit of the theme of the principle

of the that it was that they're technology and here we're to sound a little

speculative fantasios and they want to see, people, and I'm about the

famous or the famous abe with a face of a spejo

well that's this is a shortita that we found also in

the same The same book that I mentioned is that Ave, that mentionas, both the Yorona and other Ceres, pertain to a series of presages or of apparitions overnaturales that started to happen 10 years

before the arrival of the Spanish. And so they're called Tetsawit. Some of the eight presages unestos that announcees the fall of Tenoshitland. The one of you mentioned, the of this abe that the Mexicas describe as a gruja,

Uh-huh. Well, it's a impressionant. As you, you know, we can't get it by the side of the

fantasy because it's not really information of that what I mean? Is the only that's the only that is? Yes,

yeah, what you can't find another is a pure is speculation. Okay. So,

what they're there's there was that there were some they were a grue a color

very opacco and he a... Seniso, no, and say, and said, and said,

a type of a piece of a head. Not they're not

a spego properly. That's a lot of people want to have seen. There's there's

there's a obviously. They're a space of a space of a space of the head and

where they can't be the stars. It was led Dantem Moctesuma and

the other the stars, he could see, he could be a so we're

we're trying to be to be about a way very fancious

because they're they're they're to They know them. They say, Trae a

Pantry in the head, this gruea, but don't say what not say, what we know that we don't know

and they because apparently vola. So, what was this Ave with a

in the case? Well, I don't see, some kind of an artifacto ballad. Dr.

On a the, it's not in a Moctezuma V at the mirror to look at

he's a general no? I mean the he's he was he could see a

camera about talking about in things actual a camera of a car

maybe you you're you're you're so of you know in other

type of different but me sound also to the

type of language that then he describes and then he's back

this prophet in car in car in carruage of

And so, describing it's always, to the form in the way you know the things, obviously, the maintaining a

language very very general, very universal. So I read, I said, I read this pedacito, and if you

do it's a sea, a bee, that seems a gruia, with a speck, you know,

and you also says that it has. Yeah, has a perforation in the center, no? Yeah, then as, as

you know, like in the Bible, like it about in the world, they're trying to

to explain how what they know them. So, here what they were in the spegos of obsidian

and the abas. And even are the pictures in the codice Florentino of this

abe, and has a picture, the screen, no, the panace in the face, and

they can be the stars and it's front to Moctusuma. So, then, well,

there I think that it kind of, uh, uh, well, what is what he thinks

that can't be able to the I think general of the people and videos they can

give that that's intention to every thing because it's present very well here we

don't know very speculative very conspiratives very aterrador but you it's prestra for everything

imagine a man with an abe a spejo that you're saying what will be saying or why

not think that if was a a nave but not a was a kind of

sort of of being mythological or a technology or let's go us more advanced someone went to last and he

gave him a drone that was a baby for that nobody is aftar sure it's that preys perfectly

oh my manno before I would like that I'd like you know that you mentioned about of the

40 of the 30 but in the 30 40 of the 40 magos or

or beings people or metomannos mutants of all these semi-bios

Platikin us of one more. Well, there's one that I've just made a video in my days some some

some of the tlashkis. They're they're they're they're in this book,

a time of a righto are impacted if they can't survive then they're

then they're they've been elected to clalok to become in some very

very powerful capable to control the climate okay they're they can

make that you can to leave the jubias can make

that can't get a granizzo control the rations and they're not a emissaries

of the god of the jubia. So, they've their or

something? How? It's like it's like a type of protections?

I think that even can't get a good series, not a good

movie. It's a very good argument to start a story. The

impressionant like of all what we have about is that is that

are books of history. So not is a book of legends that's

in these times or a comic, are very very well described. So,

that is one of them. There's many, there are many, there are

some of those who move in the things with the things and the casas,

and the morators fallaces. It's so, the power is there, there

there are people there can't control in the fire, there there

are who all all this is written in a book of story

brother. Yes, it's called 40 classes of magos of the world

Nahuat of Alfredo Lopes Austin. For that we don't we're saying

that they are simply are part of the history. They're they've seen as today

we can listen to many times and we know of our perceptions if the

the if the the or not creer or but that they are

described in books in books official there are those

they can they're information. What good capitol we've been we've done we've done

we've done how you're about this incredible I think I'm quite with much going to say much

other data but this does it for five programs. Oye, you can give you

give to your social for favor? For supposed me

can find as shoe blogger in all the social in ex that's

that's Twitter, in YouTube in Facebook in Instagram in TikTok and

in each one of the media they're going to find information

different little data or even in semblances complete. And I'm always I'm

recommending books for you're that you're saying that you don't know I'm not really I'm to think to me

go to the books. Investigien. Tell what. Remano, thanks one more for accept the

invitation. Thanks to get to the final of the episode. You know that you know that's

I'm a great a brazo and we're we'll see more in a new chapter.

Passenla a bonito to the next. Bye. Thank you.