EXTRA ANORMAL - Relatos Siniestros de Hospitales Psiquiátricos: ¿Locura o Posesión?

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

Los pasillos de un hospital psiquiátrico pueden esconder más que simples enfermedades mentales… ¿Y si algunas de esas voces que susurran en la oscuridad no fueran solo alucinaciones? En este episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, Paco Arias se une a Alain Luna de ‪@ElGritoDelaLlorona‬ para hablar de casos inquietantes donde la delgada línea entre la locura y lo paranormal se vuelve aterradoramente borrosa. ¿Son realmente enfermos o víctimas de algo más oscuro? ¿Cuántas posesiones demoníacas han sido diagnosticadas como trastornos mentales? Testimonios, historias reales y un debate que te pondrá los pelos de punta. Si te apasiona el misterio, el terror y lo inexplicable… dale play y prepárate para lo desconocido

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family absolutely took nothing was a physical but he took

something and that the day of and that and that's still erroneously

to the maybe if it's something and it's a and it

is a part. Or to be something spiritual and it's

with a psychiatrist is very complicated this time

we have we have noticed that you you're going to this person.

Yes, it's very, so it's very tranquil, no-se-ca's here. It's a lot of time here. Me, he said that he'd have many years here, Lettie. That's the

woman, he went to his wife, and she let me. The day that this place came to vacue, the risas,

the grittos, and now these demonies, surely can get impregnated there. What I'm going to be able to be. to a one capitolo more of podcast extra an normal.

My name is Paco Arias and I'm very happy to be here with all of you. This occasion, family, I'm happy for who's visiting in the city of Tuxpepec, Waxaca, a grand friend, a grand creator of content, a colleague, also, that about tantos phenomena.

This night, us accompany to La Iluna. How is your man? My great, Paco, all ready for this night, we're sure that the stories that we're going to talk to

something will make sense a person a thing interesting and well, thank you very thank you

know a lot of you know a lot of you know about with great podcasts but if you are doing for the first I'd like

that you present and your social social for favor okay my name is Alain Luna I'm host

of the podcast The Grito of the Yorona a program that has approximately 19 years approximately

we're going to come doing doing doing calls of the people through radio and that's

just a year we've got to this platform and that, well, in this transcurso we've done that the

that the paranormal is totally real, that if even there's a part and a percentage that we

could we'd call it's mental really the entities exist and really the demonio exists and we have done

to the task to do the basically it's been our work during these

years obviously is surrounded of experts, of psychologists, of evidentes to try to get a response.

Okay. It's interesting what you're doing. I'll appreciate to the person that in the description is

the channel for that they're going and visit the work that's doing to learn. And is

that the reality of the time that we're going to talk about and even it's a

mark out of life. But, but before to enter to the general we,

we're always the first moments. If only is has subscribed to this channel. I'll

pay the enormous favor of that you subscribe. No, you know in the

media of podcast like Spotify. There's a buttoncito that says to say to be

part official of this grand family and you know you don't any episode because

like this come in these are quite of good so much so much. So,

yeah that all they subscribed and you just got on the like. Alan,

we're to talk to hospitals but not any hospital psychiatry.

That that space where you said something the mind of the people.

It's something and what I'm going to say in this moment is a replica of what he's

about. In any moment I'm going to say that's something but many people

think that there are people that have a condition mental and for the medicine

and for many people is a thing a medical when there

there are people that say that there's that reality is the perception of your sense, how your

senses assimilan and codifican that signal and you give to you the image, the sensation, etc. So, in the mind of them, is it's going to something about about certain new things. So, why not it would be real? If the

code that is getting, he's doing, there's people that have to say that the people with schizophrenia and other or infermedities, no, is more than simply

to have a third eye or have a don't developed. You think of all this? I think

that's the question, the science and the religion have entered in a debate since

many years, this type of events where can be about or a form mental

or of a possession demoniac I think will be a very complicated to be

about about debate, because much people can associate it, much people

can say, is that, well, the symptomatology is very similar.

But how differential when really there's something or something mental? And it's

what we get to the quantity of the cases, that's not only are the

legends that exist. Some cases that there are information, are cases that the

people if the get to look at this moment in internet, will

to find this information and that is more that's more than

ater is a thing that I can say is very delicate. Some things

very very because the reports that we know these

are people have the time they were to

give us what they did for there two stories

that I don't stories that those people that

they're that they're that they're in an hospital they

and the people and you know you should you And it's something

really cruel because it's always with events paranormal that the people are living day a day in their houses,

in their are things that are very things that are fertit and even you've used an event paranormal that

many people probably and you know, because Alain Luna did a Instagram where you mentioned about something

something that did you know? And let me talk about so just to do you know so that I did get to

Tuxtepec before the 7 of the morning I. Intented to in many

minutes when of a repent, I'm I'm in my camera.

Okay. I'm open the eyes and I can't give my word of that I

see a person. I remember exactly how was his rostro, how I did it

in promedio and he saw to come to me and how the car

so it's it's and in my case only was to be to be to be

to just that I'm to be to be to be to be to be

I don't know how I to go and the night to do this

place, because I have the image in the head. I'm the first I'm

doing, obviously, is to send him a message to Christian Valerio,

I've to pass this, I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

the the door of the door of the door. Okay. I'm

and I'm absolutely nobody. I'm doing my things, they're to talk.

No absolutely nobody. As a data curious, and I think I don't tell you I'm talking to, I'm asked, hey, how did you? How did you?

I was very well, but me passed to something. Before I, I said, I mean, I passed something like at the 6th of the morning. Okay. I sent to me was up here

he said, just to me passed something very similar. Yeah. He platico, uh, all what I'm occurred obviously is

surprise and right I'm I'm trying that Valerio me say, because he said is that I'm saying

I'm trying if someone to make a murder or if it's a put a little something for some things that

I'm moving the energy. Okay, and is that I have been people who have been experimented in that hotel

and I can't mention it. I don't know not necessarily not, but it's an hotel of a can't

a carena commercial and that is impressive because there have been people that have has descansed very well, but

have been people very little people that see like, I feel the sensation of that someone is near, this undimient, the colchon, etc. I want to start,

I want to start with a story that I know that will be to all, as how it's a story that's made viral. The author

of this story is Diego, Diego, that will man a salute, is in your account of Instagram, and this person Compartre

something that should a night in a hospital and

then that problem is the problem is a thing they're they're

they're doing they and he gets to the area of urgencies

a young of approximately 17 years that this

young he's to be to a fiesta in this fiesta

and to put the environment very very very

very the people start alcohol and they're going to mixlar with LSD, a type of

drug. When this person, this young of 17 years, he's to make to make

these two chemicals and the fiesta is preending, so all very, very chido. In that

fiesta, there was a lberka. So, when this person, the one when this person,

to be a trampoline, and the more and say, no, Oh, bachate. That's, you're so much,

bachate. But the type was a sumament under influences of these substances. Intent to start, brinca,

when he said, he got to be at the head, and he was going to. The alberka had had a profanity that he'd

didn't even didn't know to know. In that moment, his friends that, like,

like, was, like, was a thing, some, like, certain things, and there

had, who had, they had had a know of medicine, doctor, he had incursionated in something, then they're able to get back, and what

they're doing correct is that they're to make some maneuvers to save the life. He's they're going to do a series of things. Fortunately, that he's made that person expulsed the water

and, de-volada to get to the hospital where he gets, and this person that's parted the story, that is Diego, He said, that person had a trauma

autism, craniocephalico, yeah had been a medical of that he'd he'd go to restirate. So, what did your

amos, favorceo for that that person, well, not pass to the other world,

to the other life. It was a few years, he was, he, was in a

time, he was internado. When this person uh, and he started to take,

well, conciencia, had something that medically I don't know because I don't know I'm, but it's, it's,

it's confusion of time and space. This person, this young is, I knew who was, but no

said in the place, because I was there, and there was a lot of things, and the people

and it's to questioner. Probably, this is for the strong and for the oxygenation

that not was the brain, he knew he was he said, But he says, because I'm here?

He's allude all over. What does my mother here? What do my father here? Result, my God.

That this person starts to say, I remember the day that I in my record until I was aghando and my

friends me are back the time and regrece to classes. Passed the months I got a

newia. Passed the years, I graduated, I'm cased, I've I have kids, I've

nietos, and I I'm already. What do I do here? And it's when this is when this is a person that part of the story, it's a moment, the

people, the people, the medical, are confused because he he's sure that he lived all his life. Completely and remember how he died of my

brothers. I took to enter my brothers that were my people. How is possible that I'm going to try again again. I'm going to

a time a time psychiatric and what is that this person has to live all his life under influho of

the medical. Because the fact is he's going to the time the life that he's going to be

to repeat. If he has something real, his mind is very confunded and only

he's taking medications because he has been multiple occasions where he

wanted to tend to his proper life. A thing that's because the people in the comments they're saying to say,

what's going to be, these are comments of the people. I'm going to replicate. There are people who think, something that's called Salto Quantico or M. When you movers, really, you're,

you're in that reality, but brinkas to another. And it's when the people enter in a confusion very cañona, because I say, the people that have been at a point to die,

really, really, if it's been in their reality, if they're They've been carrowered. So, it's what had to pass. But the essence of a shot quantico to another reality

where you're not a lot of people. And it's a thing that is a moralizing a much people because they're who are in the other medical that says, no.

That's the substance, for the water, of oxygenation, and there are the saying that no. Simply, he's a salt to a

reality. Wow. And it's that's complicated to think how, how, of some and how there's much people that have lived,

not in an accident, but in the dream of to think that they've been other things, and how

justify or what reason you do you do that's a question if the person is a person's

that's how you what's the what you what happened what's what's it's

interesting because it's that all the medical people people and

people never had in that hospital, that's here in Mexico. And, and say the other I say that this

person will be to live all his life, imagine 17 years, back on medication because he's had been used to say,

I don't be here, I have been in their reality and say, how you're, if you're if you're

and it, and it resulta that you're to get to anciano and you know, it's a question of

the people. I'd like, there's much people that there's much community. We're not we don't

people, leave your opinion in the comments and say, what you think that occurred with the story of Diego, that you want a salute, a person who worked in service in a hospital, and his video is in TikTok, for that you can't be impressive. Okay, well, soholy that we can't know more of him

and know. And know how it's living today, no? Sure, but, I go, the psychiatry is a thing that, many times, for more that you do you ask, no, you're going to find something. Yeah, I think to study the mind human,

always will be complicated because always will be more things. And justly this of the paranormal with the science,

it's always going to be complicated that the science can accepter something. There are things that

can justific from the paralysis of the suicide, the death, that if there's a part that

could be a scientific for so call it there's a other things like what we know

what we're saying is that this is that this is the separation between the hemisphere

left and the hemisphere right of the Cerebrough that you voltize to one side, you see a scene

but your other part of the brain does a second in capture and when it you say it's that this

I've lived and it's what you what you have you and what you get to talk but there's

things that don't have a question a story very hard very delicate and that so over

all day of today of still still still having repercussions in the area medical and psychologica. In some moment, you get to see the

movie of Archive 253? It's something old. The old is, I don't remember exactly what year? I remember exactly

very vaguely. It's important that, that's important that this episode, the people the way, for that

you know, and over to do because it's recorded just in this place, the hospital

San Rafael. When a person PIRD the life so to go to the

respiration the part cardiac obviously yeah no has

the part cerebral but what is being being

that all this all this why I'm I'm

this the hospital San Rafael has a story interesting

delicate because was constructed in the years when

when he started and when he's psychiatric, obviously it's a attention

of the people of the people of the people of the people, and they'd know that it was particular. It was a

good, for so to say to say it. They're going to get to different infirmes but there

is a day of day of the attention, the case of Mario Cantu. And that when I

would be to make a here over the table to contact him to contact us to, because he has

made videos of YouTube, has been a noticieros, argumenting what occurred in this hospital, that o'clock, and this is very important that you know

know, there's a place in the city of Mexico that resguards the fachada, yeah that is patrimonial of Mexico, of this hospital psychiatric. What signific?

That's how is the hospital psychiatric, the fachada, all day of today, if you've got to this place, this center commercial, where you can't

be a juggette, roba, you're going to find it very similar. Okay. all the interior, and they're saying

that they're trying the wheyes of the gritts, all what occurred in this city. This hospital,

I repeat, I'm going to attender infirmes mental, but the part interesting are the

methods of the work that they were they're used they're managed by people very

religious that when when I went to someone, he could be confused really the

infirmad mental with a possession. But, O'Oho with the story of Mario Cantu. Resulte that at the 19 years, Mario Cantu

started in a era of rebellion in his house. He was going to go to his mother not was to agree with the

decisions that wanted to make Mario, for what he decided to call a doctor of this

clinic. One night, Mario was his mom he had had done somniferos

for technically dormil it for complete, they're in the hospital San Rafael,

and they're here to resaltar this, no had any problem mental. Simply

was a child, he was a much of today. He, when he was in

a place completely disconocid. He was about that he was with he was with his

hands, in his feet, not he could be moving, and he was disorientated

by the medication that had I heard a gritty and he started to

do a therapy very delicate that is a therapy of electrochokes this type of therapies at nibreel

cerebral is altering so it has been proved that they're that they're in a

manner incredible he he's he a past that were in this

city durow years intentando recobrar so practically was

in some way reprogramed However, of what many were testigos and of what he was a testigo, it's a lot of attention.

Ojo with this. He gets to mention that the 60% of the persons that are reclued as in an hospital psychiatric, one,

they have to with substances toxic, drugs. Another percentage really for the other percentage really for possession of

demoniac. What? The hospital Sal Rafael is different legends from the

majority of the treatment and the electrochokes to the patients were

exorcism they were to think that much of the people that were in this

city really was a position demoniac and they were practically

constantly exorcism it was very normal to hear the gritos

and even there there a story very that

about that in a moment a woman is a visit to a

family at this place, he was with his son. One of the those infirmes mental,

you say, you'd be to censure of this. Apparently, DeGoy, this boy, he goes to

he was cargant to the capilla at the hospital San Rafael obviously with much

liquid ematic. And this is one of the stories that mark this place.

At the day of today, the people of security, locatarios, they're sure that it's very normal

to hear the grits of what in some moment occurred. It's very normal in contact with expedients or with testimonials of persons that had an old family, that the family absolutely took nothing psychiatric, but if he took something

spiritual, and that the day of today of today, is still confunding and it's still attending, to the most erroneously, a little if it's something psychiatric, and and it's a certain,

and it's a lot. Or at the more is something spiritual and it's a time. It's very

complicated of this thing. This place, I say to the people, it's important. One,

that was a movie, that was a movie important, because, because, that was

that it was never that were that were in the 2009, if no, I'm

equivocal, uh, still you can't see the city, how it was the supposed

investigation that's realize for so I recommend much that see in the movie,

but especially that checken that really was a thing that was a person

that I talk, the day of day of today to defend the rights

of the people that have been tortured in this sense he has

dedicated to do a way to denunciate this

type of proceedings with electrochos because that, of some manner,

he's he lived. And between this, there's many people that's

to be to get to make to make to make to make to make that information

of when real is an exorcism or when real is something is a much.

That's metting in a problem, because I've mentioned something,

we're going to say, it's more that extorcist in

instead of to look a medical that's always should be the first but

what happens when there they're to make to do practice of liberation and

is that there's people think that the state mental

in a person is for because those people mention

is that that is that all so that so

the mind human that the enemy will to

to be you you can you can the control of your reality and it's in a series of decenade of

things, like depression, anxiety, et cetera, et cetera. And with this, I don't want to say that's so I'm not.

But there's that people who are sure that are so that many times that much they're not with medications

but that there's a point where I remember that Samudio mentioned a much, with a pastilla

or a series of a medication not you can contain a demonio. So what those

people normally are is, they contain for rats while they're taking those medications and they're

and regress. And I'm doing I'm with much respect. I'm replicating the information that's

there's not we're doing the absolute and me disculpt if someone is being offended because we're talking about

because it's a time that we and we we're partying dialogue with our invitation. But there's

a story that I want to talk to you, because what happens when a person infirm as you,

you start to say things of your past. That's for me Yeah,

we're about other thing. No, there's I'm going to tell the story of

Don Miguel. Don Miguel is a man that has more of 65 years. All his life has

worked of guardia, banks, hospitals, centers commerciales and it has done

many years. He has he said that more or less when he had 50 years

he took a accident automobile very very very he was with his

and his and his little and the two falles. He also he also was a point

to fallecear unfortunately the medicine did his his work he took a fracture very

in the the the clavicle so so he aboled much wos

but with with this he was he could recuperate what what we

said Don Miguel in his Correo and I will to say

is Paco I Kise Mour with my family. I don't want to live. The ver the

the body destrozzled of my son, the body of the woman that I'm is something that I can't

do my own I can't pay. I've many times to have my life, to go to

me with my life. But the family, her mom, his brothers, they're

there's there for him. But always it's like the demonio of the

past that you torment one and another once, one and other

once, the which he made to pass many nights many times

and he said, I mean me salvoed the life that I found I guess to go to

a church and I'm to have these and I started my life, it's going

to get very very very very what I was the great

vacio in my life. So I've a person very very religious

and very religious at the graded that this person cargaba yeah

Rosari Pulceras, capularios, and he started, well, the way of God, the way of the bien. Passed the years, and to him, well, now,

so, now see, he's depended in his work, he was in a center commercial, from here, of Mexico, of the state of

Mexico, and he mentioned that he started to send out solicitudes, and he had many people, as to be

working so years, he has been many contacts to work to work, and one of those they're

to work in one of a hospital psychiatric, that is in the state of Mexico. Me, he said that no mention the name. He says, when I

go, it's something different. Not is the same to start literal, without to do not, because normally not so it's every day, is something, that to have someone that's to be a lot of

a time, to be all the day, or all the night listening risas, listening grittos, and listening a lot of things and see how they're going

the way and and here and apart there are other people and they're some chandelones that they're to smoteer a

people because a little bit about that the people were to give to their times in their and they said

it's just me oh, because they're to hear that the person who was at that person

and it's to get to and see that they're much sometimes there were people who had people

and I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm for me because they'd the

support. You know, Miguel, come. He's a doctor to the and he

to do the medicament. You're with them to give the medication and he says,

and the really is a thing because these people is what he said

they say, think that's a thing mental but for me is a possession.

One a day one night there was a an a person let's

to put to put to put to a patient that had

to be under control medical. Always to any other he could be able

to give the medicament less to him. Because to get to him, it was

to have a painer a badgeria horrible. Desafortunately he's he's on one

occasion. And two and two and four persons more he. Now in the

door and the type was sat down he was he was he said he said he started

he was he was he was a total. He said, I when I see, I never

never had seen one so in my mind I'm to say, father, manname protection,

for favor, I know that this is a thing is a demonied, father, and he was to work in

his mind while he was he was going with the other, and he says that

there's a moment where he starts to learn really and this man is completely

quiet. Voltea the car to arrive and he he kept mirro but he

he starts to analyze and he he says he says he's he's

with me in the infirno where is lucy and your little

when he he's that he says he rompe completely how is

possible that this type me me is saying that me will

get to be to the life where is my my his

and my She said, I Perdi the control. The oration is rompio. Mentally, me derrived. I what I did

was to get to get to get in the support, but I didn't know I was in condition of Salen,

me, they're in the attention, and your job is to support, what you're doing? But as

me were very bad, I started I'm going to I'm going, what you're you've

listened. Yes, but No, me gave the name of my spouse and my and my son. And he said that I'm going to

be with them in the infirno, they're still. When this, he demura much time in house, because

he used this permission, but he had the people of he, not said, and this

man, after he, I'm going, despite to aterisal and after he, to startleser his faith,

he said one day, I'm exorcisel I, in the next that I'm going to exorcised.

Passed the days, pass the time, and I constantly went preparing the terran. Passed I

doing my rondin, he had a boatseet little, he was he was to get a

water. I'mpecate the terrain. He mentally was he was doing, he had a lot of

things. Because he said, you me was to make you to get with something you got to

you got to the but he served as a force to have power. And he's so it

for various years of all right and said never I said never he said to nobody never never did

to know what I'm saying a few I was all right all overable and I had much rosarios

me fortallec you mentioned something that one once you used to use various rosarios he

he was he was and when he went the day he was he did one night

he mark that was a mirecuel of senisa that he was with the cross in the front, and when

it was you, it says, it was like this person knew what I was going to do, because when I was going to pass, only she read, but it was, I read it in a form that burlona, so sarcastic, and when I'm going, because

it's supposed that he took about medications, I said that, for favor, to the companions' medico, that they're not getting, they're they're going to, you're going to and this man, and this

man, he's got to people. Entra and and then these restos consigne the book and he's recital. And delante

of all, see how this man's to start to retorcer, it was like that he wasos of the

legs of the and all of you say, what you're going to you're going to get? You know,

no important. This man has been the demonio. This case that's So,

has yeah some in the state of Mexico and of the world

no there's not information. Because if they're with the name exact,

I'm going to know, I'm going to find. It's known as the exorcism

that's in an hospital psychiatric. The year, I can't mention it

because if I said, it's a hospital that still still

functioning. But it's a note of a guardia that is an exorcism.

It's been documented. Yes, if it is there. There

very little information because it's a local. But if if you

can get to get correctly, obviously, the case not is attack to the

institution or not. But that was the person to the person to tell the

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when you say, okay, it's something merrimed psychological, something, something mental. Uh-huh. But if they're saying that the demonio is waiting and looking debilities, then we're not going to be able to, that always

is the demon to what I refer? That the people that have hallucinations

or that consume a drug is precisely the effect but if if it's

that the demonio is the that you can that you can't be a

little too all this not? Fidate that is to get us in a

terrain very very Like, it would be a in other amyto, it would be a contact with

extraterrestres, that I'm saying, I'm going to cause a polemica and me going to attack, but it's my idea. For me,

the aliens, the extraterreces are demons. Because they're they're not the same form, and attack in the

mind of the people, no they're not they, control in the mind, and is what has happened in

various cases, where the people, this This occurs much with people who don't have

a sense of creency, that not are not so not they're not really not really not really

they're they're like they're like they're extraterrestres but they're those the same

things, they're saying to reveal information, you don't this knowledge but for

the people that study the theme ophological is this person is a person is a person is

a contactado the aliens, they're they're they're they're a

man was He lived, garabats that for nobody had a sense, but I understand all this.

So, you know, it's a line very delgated. It's a very little that sometimes

seems, that says, that's in a phenomenon, and you're in another. I just as in other.

I just talked about that's known as the night, constantly he was always, he felt like something that something that

something, but what curious, that he had the eyes, he had to griter and

be yeah a kind of a piece of and me I kept thinking

we're talking about this that's the thing that's because he obviously

he he said it's can be it can't be a other person is

not it was an attack of an entity of astral

and so that line is very delgated of the

manipulation that you could generate and what could

pass that is extrater or demonies like you

do you do And it's that there are people who are studying so much of the theme euphological, I've talked to and I'm saying, is that there are there's that not are

good, there's that they're not real, and the people don't know. A basis they're doing a type of mantra for that you start, and if you see, they're in the ceiling, so form in the skyless, these lights, but

this person said, but take care, but take care because you know, to who to whom is you're calling with that, with that mantra, to who you're trying, to who you're seeing?

And, a Sometimes it's so in saying, there's there's a a

friend of there's a lot of he's, he's he's not going to get to

him to him to he's, he's that he said in a podcast I

wanted to I said, I said, I said, I'm permission of the to me

take me and experimented with me not more not more similar to what you're when you're

a person in the I did something that in films have shown this, but this is real to say,

tomam me, he had the door and why don't get to get to get to get to get with things occultes and this

and the other they can't posseate to the nothing, but if you let us the door

and this this person did the same but with aliens and the form in how it's impressive

because it's important I'm I don't know all the body and when I'm so I'm

abrasing but me was enterando the yams of the those deados, and I sentia

a lot. Sentia that something had changed. And he wants, and is in this process of saying, no, if no, to, go to a, a person that he'll make a regression. Because he's is sure that if they did what he did. Wow.

For there, I know, I know, can't even, but if, yeah, yeah, I did. If I mean, me, they're asking, what is the place more atterrador in Mexico in what I I've visited, I'd say Central Cultural, the

Refugee. You've seen of him? I've seen, this place, I know that if you go's, I'm going to make a while, something will be able to happen. No me digas, because I'm going to go. Let's. I'm going to get a permission, let's.

Go, concede. You'll talk about. Uh-huh. In this place, I'm in various occasions. One of them in an investigation result that the administration

no advised to the agent of security that we were to be going to be normal and all the days the routine of the agent of security

was going every pavilion obviously for security a cadena, a candor that was not seen

that we're we're trying technically everything we're we we're in a patio where

there a capilla and different abitations. A part of the people or the people who were

of the people were they were in the capita and they're going to take photos and just so they've been

to be a capilla because it was that the piano that was located in that was there

was absolutely nobody. When they they were they're doing they're that they're a woman

very clear. all in the photo they could be obviously they're going to

we're they're they're and they're I'm going to take photos I'm a

photo in one of the cupulas and it can't see to be to let

I'm to make to check you okay we're we're we're

we're we're not where there until that security not we're

we we can't we can't we can't we're we can't was the first occasion that's

one occasion I remember that time us accompanied Octavio Elisondo and we we're coming

for one of the passages where there were two abitations there was the

side of a room on the right of another room and at passing

just in middle one a canica out by one to one

one to imagine what we think we think what we what I

do is someone, no absolutely nobody, I'm going to see the quarter

where I'm to get a can I talk and I'm going to talk in vivo

with Octavio Octavio just this. Okay, you recommend that you make the

can't that we see our because there's that we're going to want to

you want if this this to be that you would be the canica in the

place to the you would you're that's you can't create.

I, today, for a series of principles that we're doing in the investigations,

I'll do you know. Okay. We're we're doing the error to get me

that canica. I'm going to my house and Octavio me and he

said, what was what I did. Obviously I know that was what he had

done. He's he said, he said, that in his a dream, a demonio

he had said that me had he had his object that he had to go to

he's he's he's he he's he said he said he said

that no you know you that you let's you know you obviously I'm

I'm going right in the middle because no I'm going to not going to get to

get to get to the point to the time the day

next first hour I'm to a center cultural the

refuge, I'm a canica in the place and I'm going. All this do a

context to the history of this city, saying that's one of the most adderators

in Mexico. When this site is constructed, he's to operate like an hospital

psychiatric. Also, it was operated by Monjas. Okay. So, however,

as the history anterior, much of the people, not were not were

men, they're people, that at final of count, after after one,

two, three, four months, a person that really psychiatrically were in them,

they're to have that same a lotcura. A pleasure, no? Uh-huh. Because

they were people, because the family were just were great to care and they were

and they were in this place, people, people, they were they were they're not

they're not because they were very malo. The same manner, they were they were

with grillettes. It's said that the mothers not they'd give them and the form to castigarles was to

have them and that even they'd have to eat their their own their their

to be able in an occasion one of those those people, he's

not they had put his grillet in good manner, it's said that he's

a little go to the house where there a capilla she encounter a

mother in the baio, simply the take of the head, he starts to goate under the

excusated and he quitted the life. A part of this, this woman is to come in this mother and

much people have seen. After of the activity, because there's much people that make sure that

see sombras pass, that in the nights you see, you're in this place has done the

task to do a sort of Recurridos Nocturns to tell the history In those Recurritos, there are people that are

bestied like infirmes mental with a bat, maquillated with the ogera-morada and that

they're talking the story. This me was the as the director of this post in the scene that

there's a many people that says, Oye, is that the girl that's the scene

of the auditorio. It's very very very I don't know how he does

in to get to get over the back to the lot of and even this

me. A me took to see this this little and at the end it's

there's that's no any a little has seen. Resulte

that the day of today, after after been being

a city is a central cultural like in this

they mount in different expositions and in one of them where they were to show different

and they're different different, they put a sill a center of a patio to put her

and they start to take photos but they can in one of the photos that in

the ventana in the room in the porton there are two

nine but they can clearissimo and you see Repetal, while

that has a culture of many years and that's important for Guadalajara, obviously the security is

impressive. Each room, that some function can like offices, other is simply like

salas of exposition, they have to be a key and nobody can't be how two

children are in it? It's impossible. I'd would like to share it with all

the people that they know what they're what they're saying, I always I always

comment to the second. When you see a photo, a video, a video, a evidence

paranormal, not try to make conclusions inmediate of it's real. No is real. I think we have to

learn, see to to ask, to ask proper conclusions, but the most important is what

you make that you see that photography? There are images, and you did to the

clove, that are so fernces that something that something that something that

you see that you transmit that photo. It's like if you were an energy, obviously, it's a capture an energy. But when your eyes see this, it's something that you start,

there's people that have seen, there's been where they've given where they've gotten nausea, where they're the head. And it's, no, no, it's like,

to see, you know, because phantasas of internet, and there's, no, no, no, I'm trying to, and me provoked nauseas. For favor, if If you've seen

some of this Dehle in the Comentaries You deem if you Sientes something is the

of the I'm not so how to I'm manches bro no manches

bro no it's clearissimo in the comments but in the video I'll

let the video I'm going to you're it's clearissimo and what my

are two and there's there there no there no there

just there I repeat, is a place where rarely can't have access to the children, where is very well-regarded and that no,

there are any form that could have been out of this photographia. That's really, are things that, for favor, leave in the comments

that I'd like to know, what they'd provide certain images? Because there are some people that also have

some people who say, no, it's, it's a good, but there are people very, very sensible that are people

and many things when when the reflejo captured of an

entity of a thing that that's not in this place for the

eye is impossible to be but for, the sensors of

the telephones cameras, the telephons cameras, the they can

get to it's impression how function totally. So, there

something, there's something, there's something, we're that the majority

of the hospitals of psychiatricos where it's of persons posseidas

the majority suppongam that is real but there one that simple history that could have been

in an hospital psychiatric there is that they say the demonio can be being being being a stuch

for so call it a car one person is a posseida but if has been contact with

other persons that at the more for X circumstances are in the place maybe the

demonio can be maybe can also can be manifestar. Yeah. So, the energy

that really is in these in an hospital normal. Oh, no. Passing things, no? Muchismas

things. I've talked with people who have worked as as far as doctors. What they get to live

really is impressive. No, it's that's a hospital, psychiatry is a thing that very, very

poor people I, I, I'm with doctors, even like the same he said, oh, if you

go, I said, no, I know, I know, I said, to go, to get a person of science

you obliga to the people that still have a lot of people who need to be

to put in the camiseta razed to a father to prays or ask or what you want

because it is to hear a story my boy okay the story

the story has a daughter this this he's this

leticia leticia in that's then had a problem mental

was a one a of much depression. She said that from very little, she suffered much

bullying, his parents not did the best grandza. And this was doing something that was

that made that made and that constantly, it made to feel a lot, and then

so it's a little in her that for his adolescence was a little had a

little time was all the time, so he was even had to have to have

attacks of anxiety that in two occasions his mother, he'll evita. He attempted to quit her life. So, she commented that is something very d'none. In a principle, I mentioned that there a story very that was the first time that they

was the story of Lettie. She mentioned that, that's, never, hamas, come to this, because she has stood there and has been that, because the people think that,

that, he's having those attacks, needs to regress. And it's a place at which she reprueba, not want to regret

for nothing but it's going about something but it's a story

where me I'm going to get to go to have a psychologist to have

to have to be a type of a kind of a kind of the

hospital psychiatric taking medications and trying doing and

doing to make many many times and it's a

doubt not an affirmation when when when when

when is to better and there are occasions where empeoran

you know you know the case of Daniels Mitchell when you know in a

hospital psychiatric and it that's that's intensified she and

he says a despite that I was a group of people that

had kind of I constantly we'd always a person that

actually act really people that was atent under

their they had to be in different or simply

they were reclued because were people people people

day, he took to know a bigita, a ladyita, a woman. A woman that was

a little, he'd a pass, that sensation of peace. And she in an area,

he starts with her. And he came to very well. The problem is that she all start

and be accustomed to her family, was to this side maternal in a place that I

didn't know there, and he was to create a kind of connection with this senior.

That this signal, I said, she said, she, I said his name. Leticia, he said, his daughter,

yeah, she, heita. Passed in the weeks, and she gets to have a communication

with some doctors, with some of the doctors, and they say, Lettie, Ben, we

have noted that you're that's , you're very, it's very, so, is very tranquil,

no, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's a

many years here, let's, Lettie, that that's the mother and she got to

her and she he got when she he's when she he said that's

so that's so it's so that's not had been a attack that

so so the medication is doing his work but

not you're there she's she she's possible that

a woman that so that that that you

do this sentiment of abuelita has committed that

act to mandar to make a other a other life to make them

doing a bebita she's she's no I don't know I think and in

a occasion standing with her and he's he said I can say

a question yeah yeah don't don't not you don't be

to but I'm I I'm this She said that when

he said what he did pass to his rostro changed she transformed

so not physically but his his mind changed completely

so he dilated the poppil and he he was like a little smile

and he said just were those intestines just heha

never said I said I said I said and she's

to start to And she said, why he did and only she reed. A part of that moment,

she cuted that's the laso, he was to get to look at the poor. This

she was over she said, because she no viz to visit me. Hiita this, hisita

that I am she got much fear, much fear because he said to

we're in the same in the time to come or the hour of the

nobody, only to me. It was with me. He had created a kind of a special of a connection. She got to go to

get to the place that in some moment this woman, this woman, she gets a better

life, she has said and all can be. But after some months of that this woman

fall yes, she started to see years where she was the but they were so

reales, that she said that she get to be out of his

quarter he was a he was in a trance very similar to the paralysis

and he was in the outside of the window and she she said my abandones

his hisita he said the same she says the time she asks

help she a person to people as people like these

things cessing the problem that's passing today is that

she has her little daughter of six years Lucia and he

says mom there's there a woman in our court

and me and me say oh la heita no know no

know what you recommender you do I'm I'm I'm

I'm talking because what I always I remember

we we can we What's what's going to is that there was an an elace or something, the

lady, nobody's he's he's across, nobody. Innocentiment this woman looking not

not being with her, and create a an linkace, it's a connection, if you

want to be spiritual, and at the moment of that part she was the ultimate, the,

the, the, that, who probably probably maybe she gave to appreciate,

no I know, probably probably was repentida, but it was the only person human to to which she had this

acercement. Talbiz, not he wanted to do you, but at the moment of the part we know that there are people that, for a reason, get an enclaced here.

No, they're not transcending. No. So, but it's this, no, I don't see, call it ostigment,

and we're, we're going to the children are much more sensible. And if she he saw, it was for

that also that that's for that also that also that's That's the other Because there What's the There's a

Because it's when When something When something Something you get Or so, you know, Something, it's, But the question is, we know

if it's really the spirit of the senior, if it's something that's something that's Yeah, we're to investigate what And what would

be the mission In case of that's the question, now because of stigarly to her, what is what What is what

wants or what is what He wants? Exactly. No, it's a case very, very extrano that,

I mean, I'm a woman, this house, has a woman, this is a little bit, a person

that's, you know, the person who knows the , and he's , he's, he's, the people,

you know, the numbers that we're always, we're just, we're just, but are things that,

that they mark them, man, I think that here is very important always, and just

I think that we've mentioned various times, when you go when you're an expert, in this case a brujo,

a vident, a medium, because you're living a paranormal, I think the first that they're

to ask, and if not you don't you don't you have to get to get to

a psychologist, you've seen a psychiatrist, you know, if not they're not they're going to be

you're going to ask help to be a lot. O'o, today people who are

doing to do exorcism yeah have to have a preparation so medical for the

most exorcists principles, I know how call it, some things of medicine have to

have to have a medicine in the ritual. Exactly, and also something of the part

psychiatric. It's how I've evolutioned this due to different cases

that have occurred to as well the of an Michel that

that much who the proof more fious of that the

demon exists. Or, of a negligence exactly. Exactly. For

that's so it's so that's that people can't make a question,

I think if it is a exorcism, I think that's something. If

me they're to me, I think that's it's a position. Okay,

why? I'm I'm always I'm do you don't I'm not I'm

expert because I don't say that I'm medium, that I do this,

I consider a investigator and I like to hear the stories and to talk to the people and canalize to the people. No, I think one of the same

can do all of that. But I'll go to the same. I think you you're going to be doing a little to differentiate with

a little more more more more sensuess. A me, the audio of Annelis Michel is fortitism if it's

really, I've heard I've heard different suppososos exorcism, supposed possessions and the

audio of Annalis Michel if is something that could provoke. Recently occurred, what I saw in the

news, of that one in the person in a place, it's to the floor,

get to the policeia, and they start to get to get to and get to and

what they do it is start to do the police and much people who's

to get to that is a lack of education and this but at

final of I said, okay, I don't know to the people that say that's but it's very easy

to make conclusions without a little bit more. Desafortunately it was very short the clip to be able but

was a child grittando a way of a form strange. Voces dobles? No,

they were voices doves, but if was a rare, and I said, okay, I don't

I'd say, if it was a possession, if it was an attack of epilepsy, but

much a people critiqued. And the fact is that it's a thing very complex for to put it to do you know, the symptomatology gets to be very

similar. But what what happens if gets to be similar because the demonia so it's it's like levitation, these effects or

the double voices, couldier but there are things that are basically like, no? The Sansonism.

Uh-huh. There are one of the cases that we're always we're the time of adolescents

that present an influence of immuniac with a complexion physical small compared with a person robust,

that he can go up and that can't get to a force discomunal and it's one of the

principles that the the church that's to determine if there there is position or

no. There's the other that is important mention to and is that's the

repudio many many times, also, more than to say the cross,

is mention the name of Jesus, a number of which many people say a little knee, and I doble, and

I respect much, I think personally in him, and me has to have people who

sometimes when they reprenden, submit, and mention, teato in the name of

Jesus, something, something something something Impresionate because I've seen many many times in

certain places congregational is where it's where he'll reprending to a person. It's impressive because

there's a reaction physical. There's this of the force, the aggressivity, even what happened with

Annel is what many many people mentioned is while the entity posse a mind or the

body, not will do you. This woman was to rompia the whesos, he

had a lot of things askeros that I'm going to mentioner. But no, she no,

she's not more for a problem of desnutrition, but of many times that's

done, like said a person while the entity posse the body,

no can die. At final, at the all the when the people

think that if it's able to get, but the damage physical yeah,

I, all when it still, it's when it's when it does it

Yeah, and that at the final, I repeat, there are things that the science never will be able to justify. I think, for example, the Sansonism is an element of a certain that occur in a possession, yes. But, there are to record how it's the adrenaline

in the people. There are people that, under a situation of stress or of danger, or simply can't be block, no-so-move. And there are people that can have in the moment of stress or of adrenaline, much force. They injecting that.

Uh-huh. So, for example, a person that of a person who has a accident, he's a

man, and the mother and the mother for the adrenaline, has the power to make a

movement more and can get a child. It's part of the adrenaline. There's a

person that you say, but there has a difference. That person has done did a

study to a person specifically of a hospital psychiatric, and he did

When I was into this study, using electrodes and using a lot of things that connected to the people, there were cases of people that when had these

arrainkes of adrenaline, his rhythm cardiac, obviously, at the part of his body, was to

accelerate and were a little mononcito of persons, that had these arrakees of adrenaline, of force,

his rhythm cardiac was normal. Like, something, something, something, something,

something, that not accorded to the movement of his body, so his rhythm cardiac was normal and his body was acting

in a form different. So I think it's a question to do acerces much to do to do this type of proofs, investigation,

and people who does it, because it's interesting to know, because in some of the people,

it's not a lot of people, no, so, but as you know, there are things that

there's a way to say, it has to have been to be a physical, something, and just

I'll talk, because in this process of the program of radio that durable years,

we got to talk to talk to talk to people who were in hospitals in

hospitals, people who were in interned and that part of the investigation that we

were, okay, I don't you can't think, your story is very interesting, but how

I know is that is that I'm that I, is that I, is that my daughter is that my daughter and

you know, I'm going to a case that was important in the program of radio of a

person that's the hospital San Juan of God. In this place

the same that's about of exorcism and it and it's there's a much

people that in a way has a possession and they are standing

in this city attended and that he's to be to be to all.

The case of this man was interesting because in the

some one and in begeous, we'd mention it, and he us talked about that in the hospital San Juan

of God. He said that he entered because he said, he said, he said, his family

that had an mental, but he was sure he was sure about that the demonio

was down of him. Why he said, that the demonio was down of him,

because he said that had visiones that was impossible that could

have that he said that he had possessions and that his family was testigo. Sin embargo, his family said that he was at leastable. But he was conscientious absolutely of all. He knew that he needed a help of God. The family decided to get it to the hospital psychiatric, he said that he gets a moment

where, after all what he was doing, he did an exorcism, and he assured that the demonio brinked to other person. Okay. He kept well. Obviously, he

starts to have a better better than of this place, but he did

know that this demonio to who had assaulted. It was a other enferma

of this place. A person that was there was a person who was a

he was he was he was that part of the work that were put them

to put them different activities and one of they were that

they were this A woman, diario, dibujaba demonios. All the time was a demonious and one very in specific.

Passed the days and his comportment was strange and he knew that was that he had to be a moment, she

during the nights, he started to be a category we coulder him and she was sure about

that this demonio was out of the page, that she was she could be able to get

to the mothers that attended in this site and they said is that a demon

is that it's that's that I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm think of nobody he's there after I'm

going to she was she was doing she said that she was that

a day apparently this demonio he he'd that he'd

let get the life to one of the person to

he no can do that the other manses after he says from the

hospital and it tells the story and it's something that for us to have

heard that really that actually this you say this is that this is a movie

this is this not is real and the sir and the that was that he

gave like he gave to and she saw all the that had occurred

in this hospital and that until the day of today to still still

talking of this, and are legends that, at the most in voice, for the familiar of a patient, they're still talking. Now, imagineate,

the day that this place, you know, I'm going to be a few, the restes, the grittos, and now these demons,

surely can get impregnated there. That's what, and you said, you mentioned, something that would be a

movie, and we'd recordemus that the reality supera the fiction and the inspiration and it inspires to be what today

can much people enjoy in the cinema. Peliculas dramatized, of cases that is,

that is, that's a dark that's where it's where it. Some cases furs.

I think we think we're we're going of things yeah very denses. How you see?

A, right, for example, he had commented to Hasiel, what me passed

in the hotel, no, I'd not the when I was when I'd have in radio, and I'd like to be a loco that's a dedicated to paranormal

and that's going to happen things. But is that this exists and this does a sensation and the platical but the living it and record those cars obviously you provoke

things. It's something that's a grislece, extrano. I mean, my case, me does like a little adrenaline

because I'm edicto to but the fear never does to be there. Yeah, much people think that we're dedicating to do this content You can get to your

house, you put to be a picture of terror, see this episode, and really not is so just

it's the adrenaline. Right, we're talking of this, or of a way to be to get a

place and that's and that you help to go to more, to get with the

light upgated, intend to try to be what is what is what you when you get to house

and you remember this story or of a repent your mind that you remember

that how times you did demon. No is the same. Yeah. To get to

the light, not is the same. Passing things much times. It's what the people,

a lot of not you know, not they have present. For that's their like there, family because

Alain, for example, a person that has a person who has been a much, much, much

more than you about this. And, I'm really, I want to give my respectos, my

congratulations. Thank you. Your social, before before of the Yorone through YouTube

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