EXTRA ANORMAL - REVELANDO misterios de la IGLESIA y el Fenómeno No humano | Ft Lourdes Gómez

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

En este episodio especial, nos acompaña Lourdes Gómez, una destacada investigadora y periodista española, mientras nos sumergimos en los misterios más intrigantes que rodean a la iglesia y exploramos fenómenos no humanos que desafían la comprensión convencional.Junto con Lourdes Gómez, exploramos las profundidades de lo paranormal, lo esotérico y lo misterioso, tanto en la historia como en la actualidad. Desde antiguas reliquias hasta eventos inexplicables, nuestro objetivo es revelar los secretos ocultos y desentrañar lo inexplicable.A través de análisis profundos, entrevistas reveladoras y exploraciones en el terreno, nos adentramos en el corazón de los enigmas que han desconcertado a la humanidad durante siglos.Prepárate para un viaje único hacia lo desconocido en Extra Anormal Podcast ¡No olvides suscribirte, activar las notificaciones y acompañarnos en cada paso de este fascinante viaje!

And one of the things most impactant that I discovered is that there are many virgins that not were in form of person or of a woman, that are a light. A light that's upreve in the sky. And the people say, oh, that light is the virgin. It's a signal of God.

Okay. So, then you're going to many peoples of my area, Estrematura, Spain. And you're the Iglesia of the Virgin of the Luz. The Virgin never has appeared. It was an object volator, no, identified. No man. The part of the

Nacimient of Jesus, what says the Evangelios Apocryphos, is that when Maria he enters the Dolores of Parto, Jose they leave in a cave with his children major. It's that San Jose says that the time

is parterer and when enter in the cave where is Maria there is a lot very potent. The light is over Maria. He no be a Maria because there's a

the light, and when the light is the child is in the child's not about the nacement about the

materialization of the man. The Patriarch biblical, Moses, enter at the interior

of the nave to talk with Jeobah and the nav is a on the

soil, impede that the rest of the people of Israel so he

only he can access to the interior, we know that the Antigua Testament is one of the most of the best books of Omnis of the history. What information there is in the Evangelios Apocryphos? The Bible is composed of the called Evangelios canonical.

They're those that the church in a moment decided that were the officials, and there were other texts, equal of antiques, that said, no, no, no those we're going on the canon official. It was a decision arbitraria of them, but those texts have the same antiqued that the Bible. I've

seen. I've seen details. You're going to tell you. I'm going to tell to some of the most impactants. Hi, Hello to

Hello Hi Hi Hi Hi Hi Welcome to

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and I know that's very good in this platic. Lourdes-Gomis. How is you? Hello, a good to say to-sult.

Thank you. Thank you. I'm very honrata. It's an honor to be here to be here. Thanks. A family,

before I'd like that, for favor, before, before we need with the capitual, if are the

first capitals that you're watching, you're you're doing, you're the buttoncito also to

the campanita, you subscribe and you guys for you form a part yeah of this family

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stars for that we're doing before. Before to start Lourdes me would I'd like

to presentes who you and your social. Thank you very thanks because I'm Lourdes

Gomen, I'm a periodista and I've written various works about the

things that I have focused my career periodistic to the things of mystery

both paranormal as Omnis and Religious. There are much people that think that are different but what I've encountered in my investigations is

that we're on the same phenomena that are different depending on the people who are seeing those phenomena.

Oh, what interesting. How can you can't find in social? Well, in Instagram

they're like Arroba Insolita Family, in Facebook like Lourdes Gomet Martin or in YouTube

in my channel mystica official, where I'm going to talk about my investigations. Okay, we're going to start, you know that we start with the question of the

million. Lourdes, you crease in the phenomenon paranormal? Well, no it's been a question of faith, but of information.

Okay. Any person that has information fidegna about these things, know that's real. So,

so I think, but because I've seen and I've comeproved with evidence that all that's interesting

that we're an investigation or experience, what, or what's that more you like, that you want to share, that you guys, when I discovered this, when I passed this, the really, no see, my life changed, my form of

thinking, came, what would? Well, I've been passionate these things. I always said, I'm from Spain, to my parents and

my abelos, that me contah legends, histories of phantasas, and when I grew when I could learn, me did count that

that had books, that had programs of radio in Spain, that about these and I knew that I knew that I'd dedicate me to

that I'm to talk to talk to the people that I think that I'm worth it. Because I think

the world is much more more than what we're not only it's the job, the

money and we're not we're here we're here there's a phrase of Isaac Newton that's one

of my favorite says what we know we is a got of water and

what we we ignore is the ocean I think firmly in that that we

It's a lot for to discover and that the only that does that we're that we're we're going to

know the is the mystery. And for that I'm dedico to it. Of the major, I

have been experience one that I've lived in Mexico. I've had the opportunity to

see, many of the north of Mexico in the zone in the area and it was very

emocionate because it was the confirmation of that my life has been a sin-sentido.

Of course, of that really exists a little more there's when you're when you're like this

encounter with what's the first thing in the mind? Extraterrestres, no-se, because even there are

people who when when they're not-identified also they're they're they're

with technology of other countries, then what is the first that you

in the when you when you see a one, no- I'm a lot-

I'm not a technology superior that no does the car. The phenomenon OVNI

has with us from us from us in all the books of the history there are encounters

with ovnis. All the mystics of the different religions of the world have had been

encounters with these type of but not done the car, it's a

phenomenon that's a kind of so my master in this that's

called Ignacio Darno Darno an great investigator Omni

of Spain, me said, it's the grand teatro-cosmic. And effectively, it's a theater, a representation that you see, and what they're provoked in the testigo always is the same.

A change in your mind, an aperture mental, that of a sudden is to be interested for things than before, no? That's a

way more spiritual and an aperture of conscience. So, it's a phenomenon that is a little to be of the humanity, but

without really to give the car. It's like when you do a little to do a cell phone a cellular.

He says the little, let you know, let's get the ballita and you know, know, the little is a

little bit of that's a little bit. You, we know, we have that phone of the

thing, and the phenomenon we can't know what there's correct. Exactly. I've always said

that many people are in reds because ultimately then there are many

some supposed contactados that they say no, okay, this, and the other, and a person is that many people think

that there are to try those like perrithes or when we talk about of the serres that really us are getting years of light of intelligence,

or not is, like, I don't see, those I'm going to invoke or something. In one initial you mentioned, you've said, investigated the

theme of the religion with phenomena paranormal, and I always have believed that are three things that are in a line

very delgated, So, that really what it's not so that really what he's not too. So, then the religion, about maybe Catholicism would be correct to,

some phenomenon, a investigation that you say, I'm at all right in this and the fact it's quite incredible. There's much. Date to tell

that a religion always in the mystery. Yes. There's always there are miracles, and there's things of the point of the theology,

that we're, what is what that they study, the persons that creed in that determined religion, they're saying, no, is that the miracles and the mysteries and the phenomena that are, some of explanation,

are a proof of God to demonstrate, well, that there's a power in all this. But the truth is that are phenomena and uphological interpreted in a manner

different. Something that I've impacted much, I have a book that's called The Church and his enigmas that I published in Spain,

about the phenomena mysterious of the Iglesia. I'll be of apparitions Marianas, of phenomena paranormal in the santos, I'm the relation

between the phenomenon of ovni and the virgins, I'm about reliques sacred, of if exists or not

the demonio like a person physical or like a question of the mal. And one

of the things most impactants that is that there are many

virgenes that not see appear in form of person or of a woman,

which are a lot. A lot that's in the sky. And the people say,

that light is the virgin is a signal of God. So then then you're to get to

many people of my country, Stremat Spain, and you have the church of

the church. And you do you do you do you do you see

the way? No, because in a battle between Arabes

and Christians of a a repent, because a light was and it's

and it's a lot, they're going to the battle. And then they did an hermita in honor to

the virgin of the light. The virgin never They are up very time to work

their and when when they you're they're they say they say it's

but when you're they're they're they're and to me me have said the

light in the sky see the light of the sky so much

people is impactant because it is a phenomenon very common and especially

what they live in places in the serrania where there's where

commonly so commonly so commonly that they visit these places and they they say

and I remember much what they said to me, the duses of the sea, that was

out of the mountain, he moved into the river, and it's impressive like they and there people, and

there have made parroquias thinking that that's thinking that it's not so we're

so we're a example of some some parision mariana that that's it

is mariana but really is, no some type of the theme I was about about right of the Virgin of the Luz, that I mean, it's impressive.

But, there's another case that that's also that kind of strange? There are many of an example also of my Tierra of Spain, the Virgin of Tentudia. Also in the epoch of the Reconquista of Spain, that is that epoch in the territory Spanish, the Arabes, and the Christians.

So, in one of those battles between Arabes and Christians, it's a legend that in this zone of Estremadura there was a battle between them and that the sun was going to.

And if it was a day of night, they'd have to have to be done the battle and continue to the day. So, then

the captain Christian, in his desperation, seeing that they had to postergar other way that situation,

they said he inked the knee in the floor, he said the next next phrase, he said,

Santa Maria, deten your day, deten the day, do the Sol separate, give chance to to gainer. Quenta the legend

that's an light in the sky that illumined to the same than the Virgin of the light and

segued to the Arabes and he gave time to the Christianos to gain the battle

and for deformation linguistica of the phrase of the Capitain, Virgin

Maria Detentud Day she built a altar in honor to the

Lord of Tentudu Dentud D'i. And all the Comarch is the

Comarca of Tentudia. And all surge in honor to the Virgin of Tentudia, that not was a virgin. It's an apparition of a light in the sky. And this is more

more important than what we're talking. It's only an anecdote religious. It's an anecdote of a war. It's just the light, that

this phenomenon, ovni, intelligent, that no, in the car, intervene in the humanas. It's correct. Making that

they can't one or others. And the same They did it in America. When they're the Spanioles

to territory Mexican and a territory of Chilean and Peruan, equally those luses they're and they

help them and they're the cronists and the propios conquistadores were cards to the monarchs

in Spain saying that there were luses or people were that were and they were against the

indigenas and they said no luched because you are to win rendiros and to

And to be a good with them. And I'll tell you an anecdote of this, is one of the most impactant. Adelante, delante. Poca people know why in the capital of Chile is the name Santiago of Chile. You tell you, because in a battle between the Spaniolese and the conquistador Pedro of Valdivia,

that is the that was the way the campaign, they were very poignant and those indigenous Chileans were much and, also, very agarried. They were at point to win. And, of a point, they'd have the arms in the soil and they're going.

And Pedro of Baldivia kept so impacted that he made to his cackeys to get them to the cacques indigenas to make an interrogatory and asker that what had passed?

He aghara to the cacques indigenas and he said, because have you tried the arms, you've been to gain,

no, I'm we've seen to come here a caboero under the nubes, a cabriero a black,

a cabo blan, and us had done much fear. And as in that battle no had been no Spanish that

he was a modern road of his his and he and he

and said to what is the that he's called Peter Marino of Lovera

that the indigenous and he's not none of those he's the people.

Santiago, the Apostle, Santiago, that has been to help us, and for this place we're going to call Santiago of Chile.

Oh, manches. What impactant how influge much the creencia of the people, and how this

mark the cycle of the history, no? So, how, I never I imagined, that it was

that were in this form. The theme the theme because I'm going to share a

a theory conspirative that rond in internet and always that I do do with

much respect for the people who don't it's a thing that it's a theory that

the idea that's that's that the that's a mystery uphological in the

thing that really the angel that's really not an angel we're not we're not

we're not we're just we're even even we're saying the name there's

there's been a man that has been to be with a fecunation artificial, or so

there's a sopustam that really this mark the history because the lastime of Jesus

would be being a kind of a hybrid. It's a theory, not I'm saying that

is real and I do with respect because really is a thing

very but you what you think you think you think I've investigated much

and that there's much to say so in the referent to the

evangelies apocry I also I'm very with respectuosal with the people.

I don't to talk about the creanions. I'm going to talk about simply of information that there. Exactly.

What information there is in the Evangelios Apocryphs? The Bible is composed of the called Evangelios

Canaanico. They're the church in a moment that decided that it was the official and there

other texts equal of antivus that said, no, no, no those we're going

in the canon official. It was a decision of them of them, but those

texts have the same Antiquedad than the Bible. I've seen and they're

details. You're going to tell some of the most impactants. Okay. I imagine that there's

the book of Noc? Well, it's one of them of them of them about the evangelio

about the nativity of the Virgin Maria, the evangelio of the infancy of Jesus.

Those have the different the next the next the next thing the birth of the

Mary was identical to Jesus. His papas had an advanced age. Quakini and Anna

no could have children and a angel, it's they're going to have a child and that's a little lineage special and that

they have to care. It was an uncied by an angel, the little the name nace,

the angels they recommend to his parents, a good, that in the time, no-seh

that they'd give them, they'd them, they amamantaran until the three years. Today,

we know that is the best a a better vacuna that you can put to a new, well, a virgin they prepared her body for what he had to do, from that's

from that's those angels. And the papas promised that if the little three years, they were going to offer to the temple for that was a

virgin of the Lord and she dedicated to then to the three years they are and they're various the evangelists apocryphos

that are the same. You know, that the little they were the woman of the temple. She, that food, she was to give to the

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For the mission For the mission And Los Angeles They'd have an Aliment Allos, the days back them to give them

special She didn't eat the same than the rest Wow impactant I never I mean, this, no, no, I don't know, the people

know, the people don't know, and it appears, as I don't know, and it appears, as I mean, and I'm going to end up with this, the part of the birth of Jesus, what says the Evangelios Apocryphs, is that when Maria let's enter in the Dolores of Parto, Jose, they're in a coveh, junto with his children major, and

literally, what they're going to tell the apocryphos, no me the Invento, any can go to read to do it.

It's that the time is a part, that the river that's

that's that's a place that a way that was a man that's

that the time has deten what we know in uphology

missing time, time period, time detenied the time detenied the scene,

no no there, and when he's a parterer and when it's maria there's a

light very potent. The light is over Maria. He no be a Maria because there's a light before there's a lot. And when the light is a kid, the the new is in brazos. The Evangelios apocryphs not they're not being

they're making. They're about the materialization of the child. Yeah. Of course, I remember very well that, when I was the Catechism, that the part of Maria not was a parto normal. So, that simply the baby

appears. And so, me I was a catechista my and I said wow, what, that's impressive but I think I

keep without because it's something that's something I don't know I know but I know much sense and all the

sense of the world. From how is conceived and how is your preparation until the moment to

culminar the mission that is the the nacimento of Jesus but other mystery

that also also involved this time and that the years of You, what has investigated

about that? I imagine that's a superment interesting. Well, that would have to be with Egypt, with the

ensignances that are in the Antigua Egypt. To start, precisely in those Evangelios Apocryphs us tell that

Maria and Jose has many problems, since that the little is little, for the sabidurial

that he had and for how he was the professors or to the sacerdotes

of the temple. Abel even the fear. The apocryphs are the panic that they had because if Jesus

was infad about a child, the repent the child could get to get to get to and Jesus resuscited to that child.

Some things very important, I know that can offend but I'll repeat, any person that he'll see those evangeles

apocryphos that I'm saying will find these data that I'm doing and then then then resuscita to the menor.

So, like it was a man who was a many that still didn't get to control the is what

that's what that's what we're what we're and we're talking about when Jesus is a

ministerial public, his instructions, the life that we know as

recollectar or recoud help and the apostles many methods that Jesus

those they used in that people the magos for example curing with the

saliva there passages biblical where Jesus apply saliva, parfathers of eyes, and cura. That's totally

of magos Egyptians and of sacerdotes Egyptians. So, are mues that they're to think

that maybe took a formation in the mysterious of the ancient. Yes. Of course, that part,

I was a moment, it's a mystery, because there are many different that even that even even said,

I think, in the India also, in places where he also was recabing, well,

he's information, and just as you also we say, also we have talked with with much respect, and that information that is in the books apocryphs,

but I'd like me talk about you, what you think you do you know, because it's a book that, I think has marked a

difference versus other books because it's about much, there's theories of the, well, primarily,

of the gigantes, of the angels, of how, of that we've talked in other capitals, of how seem

even to lucifer with the the god Enki, of the mythology Sumeria. You, what do you think of that book? Enoch has an importance of capital a part of the century 19 when it begins all the tradition esoteric and occultist,

when they're going to surging all those ensignances related with Metatron, with the archangels. The modern contactism bebe of fountes fundamental as the book of Enok. We have to have to consider

in mind that from the point of the view of the history of the official, the passage of the raptor of Enok is one of the most clear examples ofophilicals of the Bible. And if we go to that work more apocrypha, that is the

book of Enok, we know that there's surge much of the tradition esoteric at actual. Much of the credences of today of angelology, connection with San Germain, with Metatron, as you said, all of that comes to Enoch.

In fact, also, also, also, of what is in the Bible canonic. Also, how I think is the prophet Elias, if no, me equivoco, is written by carroages of fire. So, as well, if you do you say, if we're in context, too, how has

been with the people that have encapsulated in basis of his crevencies, we're talking to what could be a possible, how is it, how is it, how is it called? Totally.

The fact that the Antioeatement, especially the book of the Exodus, is that plagued of histories uphologics even of

how the Patriarch Biblical Moises enter at the interior of the nave to talk with Jeobah and the

nave is posa in the soil, impede that the rest of the people

of Israel so he can't access to the interior or the proper existence

of the Arca of the Alianza that that is described as a

machine really of communication and the Antigua Testament is one of the best books of Omnis of the

history and only change the interpretation. A person creient Catholic, will interpretar it is a little

and a person with an person with a mind major, that cremes in the phenomenon or in the

science fiction, will say, oh, is that what they're talking here is very very similar

to the moderns that I know. And, and the actually, one of

the characteristics that me made to think much. It's that normally when

God was a his children to the prophets, always was in the mind,

always they used a voice in your head, where he said, Samuel,

get it, and we know, we've the part uphalogica of how the people

that have been people who have been that these are they communicate literally to

to your mind, they're not they're like in your language,

Spanish, English, but they're directly to your mind and you know and you receive the message with much clarity. What do you?

Well, that totally is a method of contact. I've investigated much to the mystics, especially to

the mystics medievales, that were women, especially monjas, that as they were those voices

and received that information and many times is information that's information that the time.

There is a person that I'm It's also that's called Santa Ildegarde de Vingen. It's a mona a woman that in the 12th, received a lot of information

about the future a through a voice that she was and a image that she'd say he'd give information and

he'd say about things about the future. She describes like a modern tablet. It's something, she

was a light-viva that I'm and a voice me explain the images that I'm seeing. And so, I've learned medicine,

aprende nutrition, wow. Apprended prophecies, I've learned a language that's considered the first language artificial of the history. She has discovered

that she has no it, it's an language extraterrestre. Wow. That's the dictated to her. And music, works musicales.

Obras musicals. All this was the first woman in writing to do you. You know what is the most impactant?

that after the second Worldial in the area when there was a lack of

food and over all the people to curate a person a doctor Godfried

Herska decided to apply the remedies the that had

received for trying with those remedies to cure to

the people because not they didn't because they

didn't know that that all that that if there are those great changes planetaries,

of those that are the contactals today of that something of the information of Santa Ildegarde cobre much

sense and can help help the few supervivients to get to get this type of information

by the media of a force superior, not? A. some moment, you me

said, is a virgin very peculiar. A virgin virgin that was to have had been Cabeo?

We're talking of the Virgin of Fatima. Virgin of Fatima. It's the apparition Mariana most important of the century 20 and

it was the 13 May of 1917 in Portugal, in a region that's called Cova deiria.

To be honest, few people know, but I know, that all started before,

a year before, in 1916, various children, including the three pastorcitos that

posteriorment that virgin, receive the visit of a set an old, wero, that interpreted

as an angel. Is what you I'm a day, would have said with a venusino. Yes,

the description physical. Exactly. The children said that saw that an angel that he

prepared for what he was going to a year after what he gave the communion and he's

he gave the community. And there came to him various times, they were sometimes, it

was always every around, that this is important when we're about of phenomena

mysterious in the religion, always cover importance to the naturalness, always occur in a

course of a water, a rio, or a arbor. In this case, it was

a little a year after three of those children, Jacinta, Francis, and Lucia,

primos, they're they're doing when they're when they're when they start a

kind of a zumbido, like a subbid of abeha that is something that

is a characteristic the Zumbido, that we've pensioned. Well, in the children, the same, 13th of May of 17, a fumbied, and, of a sudden

a light very potent, a object, and then say, a woman, a woman that does information about the future. The children,

the first interrogatory that's made by the church, it's silencio. But, so my husband, Johanand-Diaz, as I,

we've had the opportunity to interview in Portugal, where we've traveled to investigate this apparition, with the two unique historiators

civil, not ecclesiastical that have had been access to that document. Wow. That's called

Finna of Armada and Joaquin Fernandez. They're the two only investigators, not members of the church

that have read the first declaration of the children. And in the first declaration what the

children are that was that was a very bigita, very bonita, completely calva, with a

I was a trage acolchedo-metallico on the right, that had a sphere of light in the man, and that when that was a

activable, they could talk with her and hear of it. Like a a kind of a kind of a kind of

a kind of. Yeah. The church did that the actual Virgin of Fatima,

for supposed a virgin not a virgin no could have been the top of

the right, and the sphere it became in the immaculated Corazon of Maria, which is one of the

symbols most famous of the Virgin of Fatima. That's impactant. During six months, they were every day 13 of the month, until the 13th of October, which was the ultimate apparition. For the 13th of October

of 1917, from May to October, the apparition was crescent much, every more people went around the children to try to see. But the people not saw only they, but the Virgin, or that supposed

She said, the 13th October, it was to do a miracle multitudinario for that the people they'd say, in that esplanade of Portugal that day, there were millions and of people,

more than 40,000 people. Yeah. There was a jubia torrential super-furted. Jovea much. But, of a repent, a object, appeared a object

very low, a few meters of altitude, and lumined to completely to the people that the testigos

assurred that the rope impapada is instantaneously. The rob of the

people the people of the people for the those symbols that do you

do they're in the campos. So, so it is, well, seco

the people, the church says that the sun dance

in Fatima. No was the sun. It was an object volado

not identified that set the people and the

thing, and like the called Cabello of Angel, that provoked curations, miracles, instantanions. And the people, all of those were testicles as both-cray-tenters, and it was a phenomenon

uphological total with which is the apparition. But I'll tell the part paranormal for that we'll see the connection. Okay.

Cascar nobody said that days before the 13 of May that was when the children went for the first time to

the Virgin, two groups Spirited Portuguese, that were doing sessions of Uiha, contact them through the Uiha with a entity called Estella Maris,

Estrella of the Morning, which is one of the names that's the Virgin Mary, that the 13 of May, it was to occur

something that would be to change the history of Portugal. And they they're just they're not

an announcement in two periodical Portuguese to make a question of that they've received the

message. And we have those periodical where the 13 May will pass something

if it was the apparition of the Virgin most important of the history of

wow you know you can let's you can put it put into and what

it's impact because there something something something like a

person a person a person human normal has has to have

to be prepared physically for to be it's like you're

like you're to of something that you can't do you, we're going to prepare to the Virgin, the children, why you think,

Lourdes, that the church has occulted this type of situation? So, like, I know, the theme that we'd

more to the theme uphological do they're to one side for them for you do that? Why do you

think that? It's a control of the information. One thing is the history biblical and the faith of the people. And other thing, is the

church as an institution, the control of the message religious that nothing is to be able to do that we've established after years in the concilios and this no encas. And not we're going to change our dogmas. But in the case of Fatima

there was a manipulation tremendous because not only has changed for complete what really passed, but Jacinta and Francisco were young. Poca people

know, fiftate, it's curious in what you about the preparation. The

right Lucia dos Santos, that was the only that's she's because the other

two were little little little little her life. The parents

Jesuitas confes of her controlable the message. But she in

his scriptures that I have said, he's sure that they

had many mortifications. That His parents, for example, they'd check them while they'd and they'd

and they'd not comeian and they'd do you know to pay for the poor of the world. For the

time, they're trying preparing his body in a state alterated of conscience because we

we're in Portugal, without water in middle of the camp more of 40 degrees, you're

I'm sure that if you see things. You're I'm sure that's in a state alterer of

conscience and the children, they were doing that, they were mortification. And in that mortification came the contact. And the other important here to signal

is that Lucia there was a control total of the message. Because Lucie at the principle said that there was a virgin had said

and that not could confess. The church he obliged to put those poweritas for written. The first

palabritas not they didn't make to the church and they obligar to kemary. He was

to write again the Palabritas, and they were palabotas. It was all a discourse enormous

about the bad that was the Union Sovietica and the Russian and that, for the

time, there was to be to look to the Virgin in the century 20 to talk

that are very bad only the Sovietics and not about the holocaust of Vietnam

and not not about what he was in the Holocaust Nazi? No,

that is a Yes, it was very manipulated and justly, as well as we mentioned, the church, at the final of the time, has all the time had been control. The fact, we've done since in a while with the government, with the reels, they used to make and this series of decisions. So, at the day of the day of you, I still thinking the same. But there's a mystery that also has sonned much in the internet,

and is that I consume many videos, of the supposed Biblioteca that is that's in the Vatican with all the books,

with the information real that is still occulting? You think this this famous

biblioteca exists or is only a myth? Exist well definitive the

archives secretes Vatican have kilometers we're we're we're

we're about we're about kilometers of it's imagine

what there there for whatever something that not deva not

be to be to be to be to be to get to the message actual

of the church but not only in the Vatican in many places

in the world there's there a question of a question of a month

I'm visiting Turkey and in Turkey we we visit the capital

that is Ankara there there is a document occulto that

nobody can't you try to it's is the Bible of Ancara. It's an evangelio apocryph where it's a story

that no has nothing to be with what the Bible, and is that, as to look, Jesus not died in the cross. Jesus was from the

cross. The who was other and he went to and he did his family. All that in the

Bible of Ancara. And it's a document antiquitism. Yes. For supposed, is

hidden, nobody it's silenciated, put patas for up to

the history official of the Bible, and not we can't comment. So,

some many, many texts those that have been manipulated, tergiversated

to continue maintaining, the version of the church. Of course,

I know, I mean, I don't know if it's real, that supposedly

they're much the desoblamment, the thing to move in the in the camp astral

and say that they're trying to the archivos of the Vatican and supposedly that there's like an energy that impede

that even the people who have been in astral not can enter. I go that is merely

information that can be false and can be better but that has been by part of people who

are people who have taken to the occultism to have access to those archiv and that

one or other form not can enter that there is like a camp, but now,

tomando other theme, and just you, that you are an excellent investigator, the theme of the reliquas. That is a

thing that me gave much the attention because it's about this manta where Jesus put his

rostro and this is that has made a lot of proofs with intelligence artificial of how

would be Jesus really in the life real, occuping his factions, like reviving

that part. What can you can't to say of that? Well, the reliquies is a thing fascinating. Fifference, the theme of the reliquet

not is present in all the religions of the world. For example, the Jews, no, because they consider an impure whatever

thing that's something that's something that the Catholic, the Muslims, who also have their relicions, in Turkey,

I've been people of the barb of Mahoma that you can't pass the photos for you see and their

sandalias, a dint, those are the reliquies of them, of those Muslims. Or the Buddhists, who have also dents supposedly

of Buddha, in the case of Catholicism, there are much reliquies. Why are you? Surgens, and it's over

all right of the century in the creencia of that if a person has been a santa, and I'm

I'm going to and I need to do a question to and I'm doing something that has been talked

for that person or that or that person, then God me will make a case

because that person has access direct to the divinidad, and there surge the reliquies. And there's a moment in the history

in which there was a traffic very great of reliquies because it was the norm of that the church to have a temple

had to have a reliquia. So imagineate all the temples that there in the world. No.

No. So, for that there was much traffic of reliquia false. But the Saeke,

that are fascinating, and the most important of the history of the Christianism, as you

is the sabaana santa that's conserved in the cathedral of Turin in Italy. It's a lienzo,

a tela in Sarga A. B that this this tela is an image three-dimensional.

It has been studied in various occasions, even for scientists of the NASA to make

to make very resumid the thing. What have discovered is that it

is that is a image in negative. It's a negative photographic

what appears to you to be able to be you'd have to a photo. Of

actually, until that's invento the photography and he's made the first photo of

the Savana Santa, no couldn't know that it was an

image in negative what that you see a positive. But what what you

have on the tela is the negative and the team of the NASA in the years 70

discovered that it was three-dimensional because at principle the image of this man

like in color pardo in color coffee and he thinks that is that's

No, the equipment that's three-dimensional. Okay. It's like impressed. So the

people think that that that's imprimed in the moment, in the instant just of the resurrection.

After the three days, when Jesus, his body disappears and subed the sky, he had been

impressed this. Now, well, not we never can say that that's the lienzo

involved to Jesus. That no we can know. The only we've interviewed to

have interviewed to many scientists that have studied the Savana Santa are the

evidence scientifics, that is an image three-dimensional, that is an image in negative,

and that what there appears, according the foreignses that I've interviewed, is a

body of a man that has been crucified, he has blood and

morten and post-morten and the blood is of the group A-B, which is a group

that was a group that is a group that in the rest of the world.

Also, it has Pollenes of flowers that pertainting to the area where Jesus vivio.

And that are the data scientifics that we're people think that is the lienso

that's the question. Not we know we can say that that he reflected that he has

suffered practically those most the same abuses that describe

the the passion of okay but but of the other

person that through that So, and over all because the theme of the crucifixote was very

recurrent in that time. It was like a castigue very common for the people, but it's a

thing very interesting. There is this other relitia that is where is where the rostro

of Jesus. There's the panolone of Obiedo that conserved in Spain and it's very

curious because if you put the sabana Santa and in the part of the rostro

of the man of the sabana put yourself put yourself, the marcas the same

coincide very very is very possible that those two reliquies would have been in contact. And what a poca people know is that there's a third reliquia

related with those and is the supposed mantel that's used during the last dinner. It's a reliquia unique in the

world that's conserved in my territory in in the Cathedral of Korea. And it's very curious because I discovered

that the team of the NASA that investigue the Savana Santa, Ithago to Stremad

to study this reliquia. Why? Because the professor that is studying all this, Jackson, creed that the Sabaana Santa is one of the mantels of the ultimate cena. Okay. That maybe the premura with the rapidness

with the passion of Christ, he did that not have some tels in conditions to envolver the body and that used them part of the mantelves of the lastena to involve them. In the Pasqua Judia, where was the last Cena of Jesus,

he used two mantels. The mantel, properly said, that's put on the mess and the food on the and a mantle onceive of the

animals, that is to symbolize the travestia that they did for the desert and the carida of the manna

that he's all right. So, the professor Jackson says, if I think that the

sabana santa is a mantel, in some other place of the world has to be other mantel,

because in the time of Jesus used and he discovered that in Estremadura there was a manned

there's a thing, he was to see to see what is his surprise discovered that had

the same dimensions that the shabana santa that was the same type

and that the tissue of that is a facted scientifically in the single

of Jesus in his time. So he he thinks that exist a vinculation

between those reliquions. It's impact how different questions are

what we call us, connect to connect to cabs and unying pieces of rompecabesa? You think that these reliquies Lourdes have in some power or is a question

of the person because I've heard of people who have seen or metros and they think they

eminent a power, is something more mental, a power of faith, what is? It has.

It's a power. If you think I think it is, I think is the vibra that

generate the millions of people that have He's been to-tocated, deposited, his anelos, his experiences and

his ruegos in those objects at the long of the history. And I've lived with the saint-grial. It's a reliquia

that I've investigated much in the supposed copa that used Jesus during the last dinner. There are many grials in

all the world, but only there are two that resisted the probes archaeologicalicic and that are fechated in

the time of Jesus, and those two copas are in Spain. One is in Valencia and

other, this is in the city of leon. The city of the leon not the city of leon not a carl that was protected

in one of the churches principales of the leon and fift what is to have a secret to

have a secret to that's a catis I'll tell the history because it's fascinating.

Yes, it's there's a storyator of this city of leon that they have made

investigate because there are many many pieces reliquies arabes the leon understand

the authorities because and they they ask them to investigate. And they're down, with another investigator that was in the Cairo, analyzing papers antiques, of the

next. There was a moment of the age media, where Egyptos suffered an ambruna very great and a sequia. And many and then, the emir, the that he was made in Egypto, he did help

to all the reels muslimanes of the world, that they were, because their people were dying. And only one responded to the called, the of the city of Denia in Alicante,

Spain, that he made a barco cargated of bivere's. And for corresponded

his regalal, the of Egypt, maned the barco but carried

to be those pergamins that they were the cop that said the

copa of Jesus. Wow. They're they're that I know to thenia in

Spain. And that during the voyage, as Jesus also was a prophet important for the Muslims, that

a guardia that was protecting the treasures, he pego in the part superior and he was a little because

he had power and could sanar. And then that copa, they said that the denia,

that rey musulman, decide to give to give to the rei Christian most

powerful of Spain. Because he was pressioning to his reign and he no

I don't want to have problems. Toma the cup that says the cop of Jesus, I'll give it. And then that copa, if he goes to Leone, where is that? Well,

so, she does a storyator of that there's a copa that the daughter of that her own his joys personal to enricher her.

Doauraca, the princessa, the daughter of that's a monarcha that's called Fernando 1st of Leone, no is

because a quenco, without apparent importance, don't all his joyero and all his ororo, to form an armazone and enricher it.

And it's still in the Fecha as the Cali's of Doña Urraca, but nobody had interpreted with this story that I tell you tell you. So, then resulta that the historiator, casualities or no,

of the life, that year that was doing her investigation, they were to do a replica of the Copa, and there had to disarmarla. And she

pede to be present when the artesano is working with the Coppa to see how is that quenco. And when she's allas

with the artisan and disarmal the Cali of Doña Urraca, she see that he a little in the part

superior. And in those moments, he does that what he had the top is the Copa,

that says the Copa Jesus, the grial. What was? What was? I discovered when this is

to see the last five or six years, medios of all the world to film the Copa, and I

interviewed a Margarita Torres, to the historiator before nobody, and I need

I need to photographia the cop because this is going to be publicer in the

Revista in Spain. Vente and we'll see when the museum. I put

the cup of night to the door and Margarita I

and the Cal the St. Gryal. What is in you,

I don't tell I'm not a person sensitive, but I no

I could have to you know and I know I'm in a pressure

in the piece and it's what I'm the rest of the money, the energy

that millions of people have put there and you do you I'm

very very very so impactant the actually a

me to come to me to come to where there

where there's there there is a little no is not

historiator in the sense of that no there's no there

no there's a lot of because it's not a figure complete

it's only a little a bit of that's interesting

but but so it's that part of how

the people can the with the um with

with with with petal of roses and so so so

so it's an energy very special I want

I I remember of a video that's made very viral I want to know

if this video is real and if is real what you're real, what do you do you

acude to the place where was the crucifion of Jesus and

start and they are supposedly mues that's that they're

to get to this is real and if is real what is real?

It's very complicated to pronounce to about that, because from the point

of a point of rational, it's impossible that's that's the time of that's

indemned, intact, and that's an analyzable, but exist in the church of the

church that's materialize? Yes, many miracles, are the not called

miracles Eucharistical. So, are miracles that are what the church

call the transustaniation. What is that? The Crencia firm that when the sacerdote in the Misa bendice the Sagrario, the hostia and the

vinae and the body and the blood of Jesus. That is the trans-sustaniation. And there are many times that are the called miracles Eucharistic, which is of these hostias, manna, Sang, or that vine, or that's vina, or that vine,

so we can't get in Stemad. Where, even, I've could have seen the lienzo with the blood of the hostia that has brought out and cases in the

city of Mexico that in 1997 there was a case impactante where the sacerdate

Camargom Melo even was separated of the church for defend

the veracity of this miracle of we even even

we have San Gantelon in Spain or San Genaro in the

case in the case of the liquefaction that is that is that

the science that It says that the sanctity is solidific, is coagula, no can't be to start in a state liquid, and more if is of the

cycle 5th or the cycle 6th. Every year, supposedly, in the day of the feast of these sands, will be to

put to be in a state liquid. So, your question, from a point of rational is

impossible, from the point of the mindereria of the miracles, it's possible. If you

is possible. You're about the case of the osia sangrienta. Quisier to know what was the conclusion of that investigation, because

not is easy to assimilar that a piece of, like, a little bit of a, more or of the arena, emmene blood. It's complicated, but there are various socese.

If you want, the of here, the of Mexico, what happened was the Jueves Santo, of 1978, in a parroquia

of the Virgin of Guadalupe of the delegation Venustrian to Carranza. They were celebrating the Misa of

Jueves Santo, and in the altar that day, they did a reglo floral, with many flowers that had been led to Shoshimilko, and they put them as cascades of water that brought on over the flowers. That's all the night, so monta. And the Viernes Santo,

the day next, the sacerdote or the capellant titular of the parochia, Camar Gamel, so, they'd know that the hostia of Sagrario, because the Sagrario was in mid-of-the-the-a-floral, it was humida, he had

caught water. Decide and be like it has adhered a little to the

surface where they decided put it in a water and they can't

that they had come that had become in something more more so you

know that's a plainita lisa so so And some people

began to say that could be sad and that was and that could have been been made a carne. What they

are saying to a a medical that in those moments had investigated much the miracle, the enigmas

of the Virgin of Guadalupe of the basilica to see what I'm and this medical of

the appellido Torija he did the analysis pertinent and when to take the

question this it seems this is this is it And in the analysis that they did you pass also photos if you

want to put you want to put now, then it appears substances like hemoglobin leucocytos, is that

substances that are present in the sacsumann. That's it led to defender facient and that had produced

a miracle of the same at the time in this parroquia she's venerating the called

Santissima Ostia sangrante the archidiocese of Mexico no accepted the miracle he said that that's not it was with the

investigation that they realized that they were to present all the proofscientifices aparted to the community

of the church and in the year 2021 was when felled Camar Gomel and until the last

moment of his life he defended that for him had been a miracle completely real the

of the hostia sangrante of the city of me I'm the attention how, having the evidence, having the muesa,

having the mueser, they're negated in the existence of a miracle. Why could have been that? Much of times are the persons that form the institutions,

because in those moments, it was there was an opposition very strong of the archovispo that was going to this

part of the church, and he no quissos to know that of that. And in other times, like, for

example, the time of Norberto River it, it was a a-acercment, who he could get to recognize, but no. We need to have

something very present. The church tolerer these cults, but not affirma. Much of times we'd think, not is that the

Virgin of Guadalupe of the city of Mexico, which is the apparition Marianna most important of America, the church has approved.

No, there is a document where the church also. There's a document where she approve, Fatima,

even the papas go to visit, Toler the cult because it's beneficial, but in no moment

affirmer that that's real. Of each, I've studied much all the tramite that you have to do with

a miracle and it's very complicated. Yes, even in the exorcisms to be able to get to

prove one is a thing that's a too, I'm not easy really.

I don't see if you've the movie of the Padre Gabriel Morf that

before he's strewned he was the exorcist principal of the Vatican

during many years in that movie about the biography of the father

Amorff see perfectly even the same the same he convivia

in the Vatican he he said he had to do the exorcism and he

had used in that mission apostolica and the rest of cardenales they went

to he said no it can not it can't be is that even the Provinists of Christ

me are negating the existence of the mal. Of the fact that part me impacted a good

and not not far as the reality really because the most the same in the scene the same

father, he's so, the question, is negate the existence of the man,

so for what we do this all this and they're saying, all this that's

one of the one of the one that the most me impacted was when when

and with the beginning the when we're when we Exist is when he's When the more

Well, when the more Ween we're doing Al Even the Bruchos also when I've been

when I'm when we're doing a person that's much more easy because they don't think they don't

they don't know how combat a maldition Dentro of the mysteries I know that we're

we're just we're close to the final but the real is that I'm getting without

this the thing the mystery of the Yate Juanio is a thing

that I I've heard for many years that's a mystery, the theme

of the color, the theme of this, what you can't say of this?

A mystery completely real to that I have dedicated much time of my life

and in my book, I dedicated a particular I've

done the possibility to start man-a- with the authorities that the

Basilica is in the part of the investigation and with the

doctor Fernando Oged Janes that is the person that has

has realized the ultimate studies from the point of the point of a tilma.

So, I'm in disposition to say to say to the other the students they're

refuter, no they have done because they're not they're because it is science

and it is evidence. To start, the Ayate not should the fibrous the fiber of

Magay of the that is the first that's not put up done in much than

under 20 years. Okay. And we have to have to in mind that the first 100 years of the history of the Ayate,

the Virgin was exposed without crystal, and in those 100 years the top of the Fieless in all the moment. No, it would be exist. Wow.

For that, of the fact, don't know more studies scientific, because there's a question of that is a crystal, what

will pass? It's not never to exist. It should have doubted 20 years. If this occurred in 1531,

in 1561, 31, yeah no should be the fact that the fact the fact that is something that's a

thing that's that's a question. But if we're going to the part matematic,

there is allucinant. Repito, that they go to the doctor Fernando Ogedayannes

where they can see that has aure where you can see that the correlation matematic

between the figures that are in an eye and other is superior to

because I now you now I'm I'm looking to My ojo, this ojo, no, your figure like this?

It's a perspective different, no? In the eyes of the Virgin equal, here not appears the same than this,

but the correlation between the figures of both eyes is superior to the 90%. Wow.

That's also can't explain. Yeah. Tampo can explain that no there's not there's

no, there have addeded of paintura. That's they've done they've done they've put a coroner,

but what is the most, the rostro, that no has no one of painting. And then the flowers, the position of the flowers in the mantle, coincide in

a correlation of more of the 90% with the position of the stars in the city of Mexico in the night of 12th, December of 1,531, with the constellations that see in the sky. And the flowers of the mantle

in more of the 90% also, I think, the 95% is exactly the correlation of the volcanoes and the orographia of the principal serros and volcanoes of Mexico.

That's not you can't explain to the fact. It's impactant because that information that you know

you have been made viral in various videos. It's it. It's impact much how

it rompe with all thing logical. As you you know says the time of the time

is something is something is something that's something that's a discompos

it's a theme really very interesting. To me, always that I've been of this thing, or

I'm impact. Because, I mean, there's things that still I think we're

not can't to understand with the information actual, with the technology that there,

but in some moment I think we're to know, we're to know we to the new

generations, to our children, to our children, but while the living with

that mystery? I'm I'm 100% Guadalupana and as you as a

principle, you're going to it's a question of faith, it's of information. I've studied to the

last the consequences and I'm a question and I'm my experience personal. The first

first time I've been to Mexico invited specifically by the center superior

of the public to the Basilica to talk to my investigations about

the Virgin, I'm I'm at the room at a door

serrada when they're the basilica the the Papa, Francisco,

Reza, in that little. I was there solas. I took the crystal. And me passed something

that I've heard to say to other people what you're going to be a millimeters of her because the

I took and I'm a millimeter. What the when you start when you start you know, you know,

the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe. What you see is to your mom here in the

child. I'm in a virgin. I'm going to get to cry because my mom is

in I see, if by video call, I see the image, the the rostro is the of my mom when it was she's she.

Wow. And that's to the people that are in millimeters of her. You know, you know,

you see now, see the your mom? Tremendro privilege. And to me pass.

Wow. Tremend, I think that any person creient, that you see,

that's experience, is something that's something that mark your life for complete. You thank

much that you guys you've shared so much information. The fact that I'm impressioned

much with you. It's very notory the years of investigation and, of really, that's decided to be with

us in an interview. Family, I want to I would like I know. I know that you know

that you know, in special, persons who have dedicated a time to things, to investigate,

really, we'd like to us what are your books, what are your services, what are

your Muchismas. The one that's more enfocated to all what we're talking is the church and his enigmas of the seyo

Luciernaga of the editorial planet. It can't get by internet perfectly. Me can

see in Instagram that I'm called arroba Insolita Familia or in Facebook Lourdes Gomet Martin

where every day I'm part textos of my investigations about this type of

things, can listen and I'm but I want to give the because I know it

is easy to talk these I see that in the world of the things that you're normally it's easy to tell a story paranormal

or of phantasm but not is easy to tryvers or to poster for these things that are more difficult to do you really

that I want to give the way to make the public for doing it for the plurality of ideas that you manage and

for having had been the valentia to try it does a very good work and I feel very

very honrada for having been here thank you thank you very all of heart, the

essence of the podcast because many people me say, no, because you try it, for example, a satanical, then I'm

in that. The idea is to know the knowledge. So, the more knowledge, more power. So I always

I've created that independently of my credence, I can't a matter with a person. I'm

very much, the practice with you. I'm really, my question. Family, you know, we have

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