EXTRA ANORMAL - Soy Maestro Masón | Mitos y Verdades sobre la Masonería

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

En este episodio de Extra Anormal Podcast, nos adentramos en el misterioso mundo de la masonería. Descubre como Maestro Masón, comparte mitos y verdades sobre esta antigua y enigmática organización. Desde los rituales secretos hasta las creencias más comunes, desmentimos las teorías conspirativas y aclaramos qué es realmente la masonería y qué significa ser un masón. Acompáñanos en este fascinante viaje al corazón de una de las sociedades más secretas del mundo. ¡No te pierdas este episodio revelador! Recuerda suscribirte y darle like si te gustó el video.

Look, the only, the only requisite that pite the Amazon area for you ingress is that you're in a God or in something, a principle generator of all. So, if for me

no, it's been to call Jeobah, I don't know, I'm going to call Jeobah. But for me there is a something, no?

Something that is a so there's a certain of a Uh-huh. An Ateo that no crean of this

can't enter? No. You can't describe how is an initiation? You know, hey, this day you're going to get in a venda.

That part has has a lot of significant but essentially is to make you conscious of your mortality, of that in

some moment you're going to be there. If you're to think that you're going to you're with the

and the people and with the other women. Like the mazoneria still

still being a space in the what it's that's there into, it's

there into and yeah, it's a way to a much a much

theory conspirative. No? And part of this theory conspirative is what

we're to get to be a so when someone usually you do you know when you see your

evolution because of a repent to say ah yeah, I think in the

church yeah but no me like it and it and it transformed in

no no no no no yeah no I'm not so they're they're

they're so they're they they're the Amazon's not I'm going to

say, this is the the way to say this is a way and then you start to get to

then you're you're going to you're a man who say, I'm a mango, I'm going to blah, blah

blah, blah and I think other I mean what I like is the thing of

the thing for the human myself more than in the intervention of other

people or of other other other What I'm not going to be able to be able to be. Extra Anormal, my name is Paco Arias

and I'm very happy to be here with all of you this occasion family I know I know that always I'm

a occasion special, but today really is special. It's with me a person that I'm looking for much

time and for the end he's done. Today is with us Fernando Maestro Mason How is

How are you? How about Paco? Well, thanks. And you. Good. Thanks for accept the invitation.

No, when you do you. Enthusiasmado of to be able to talk with you.

And as a moment, to give my doubts, because I'm sometimes when I'm very a

question. Before to start, I'm want to give to give just another

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My dear Fer, for the people that is the first that

hear the word mazone or masoneria that you can

say about this. What is a mauson? What is a mason? Okay. In theory, what he says the is that a mason

has to be a man good and of good customs. And the masonnery is an organization discreet, no secret, that procured

the cresement of the human for the human right? Okay. Diggist something. Dicrette and

not secret. Why, why today you think that has taken a force more

the secretism than the other that's because at final you know there's

the part of, and I took with this, me to go to your podcast

but I don't say this but maybe this because there

there's like this part of so let us we don't

talk information okay look, you know, I'm going to put to this

manner. When I try to explain what is the masoneria, I try to explain,

well, it's like the experience of a mountaina rusa. Uh-huh.

You can describe how is, to be a mountain a sensation, I'm grite, the

vultas and the but that's not even to get to the mountain

rosa. So, so the thing of, I think that many of my

brothers if Angel I'll contact to contact with you. I don't do you

because they're in all the people they're saying they're saying I'm not

about about this or not about the and it's a thing that's what is what

is what so is not as the thing there's there there

things that but also in this point there are things that are

ridiculous occultar because if you you look in internet

those you find you just on ex on X

Twitter me I found an initiation at a third grader this... Of the

initiation to the third grade? So, so that's how it appears there has a

name, no, it has another name. Like, also, for example,

the same Dros Rotsang put, in some occasion, published a video of

a grabation in a logia, of a session, even if you look in this

moment, in Google and you put Liturgy Amazonica PDF, you're

to appear. So, there are things that are things that we're saying between the quadra

and the compas, which are basically the vivences that they're the men, but

as much secretism to the Amazonaria because all all you all right because I

think it's discretta. Also, it's a thing thing historical that you not

that in some moment it was in the societies secretes. In some moment,

it was secret. Okay. But, but actually now it's. About the originals. How is the

society? Because at final of the point I'm in the moment when I read a little bit

about the origin of other society for the which many they are the famous Illuminatis,

correct? Keras or no, there's or no, there's much similarity. Or so people of

the act of, of an lot of knowledge with intellect, me

call the attention how in the time of the masonry were people perhaps not focused at the thing of

construction but if they were something to make sure to make the simul of the compas

this type of that's exactly that I'm that I know that I'm

a little about this okay there's like five there's there more

respect of how so constitute the Amazon area as we know some are

some are very fantastic and to many of my brothers and it's a part fantastic that come from

from the Egyptians and that Toth and that who know that I

me for what I do I love the part historical social no

the origin of the Amazonaria to make a resume very rapid

is it's a part of the gremios of the groupers and it

was a thing very when when they were when they were

you not you don't do you your space no to

but you but they they're they're they're very good

and they not could make and they're so then the

constructions don't two days or a month that it's

Construed very rapid but they'd do you know so

they're so they're so they're to do a territory to a other

territory with with so they're they're numbers because

they can move with freedom and something that's the people

in common only only they're only they're well for

to do do it for so is very very very very tard

eventually of they're they're they're they're they're covertis

outside of the construction. And the word loggia comes the lodge which means cobertis

so there is what I'm also that's what is what I'm going to the time obviously

these people not they were not they didn't write, but they didn't make

different on the world with the compasses they're making constructions

no equations mathematics so but but more they're

pegated to the empirism okay they that if you put a

place in the center of a arc that's what that's what you're that's all of

the rock the dark. The sombras and this position of the position of

the sun. Exactly. All they all they were learning empirically know. Yeah.

Posturiorally well these people start to to make a better

and his children this is this is this is very common today in day

that the his son and the father and the father and the father and the

So it was the same and it was also a practice very common in the age media. The office of the father

was the office of the office of the family. So, well, eventually his life

begins to make sure, and they have the opportunity of that some of some

of the other not, not we're not going to talk to something, they're

to start to have to have better positions. Okay. This in the

positions to get access to to know other type of

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let's say, or a, or a jurist or an abogado, but a auxiliary of jurist, a secretary, and the most. This, what generates? The way in the way

in the idea of the ideas starts to change, and the kids start to invite to these new friends, to get and there occurs the first change, for me, the first change

that is when it's when it's when it's be operative of the albañis that they built to make

an masonry speculative where the people that was in the massonery

what was more a more a time intellectual know know know

so of the know there's a real of Robin Hood in where it

has a scene in where it's in a mason to the and they

can't how say how saludar and what say The Salado Secreto, the famous Salado Secreto

That's a very That's very difficult Yeah, so the Amazonry It's so, so not it's secreta That's not In the culture Popular

Salen, not At the Simpsons, they've been I've said, I've said, but there's But there things that

That's not that don't So, well, the point with the history to start that point is that eventually

this access to new people, a new knowledge, what what what, what,

what, it's that they're to get other type of ideas. Uh,

uh, they're to include to other, other, other, other, other,

other type of and, and, this, this, this, there, there,

there, there, there's, when it's when it's when it's to get uh,

one or another rosacru, in the, in the, uh, and that's what he

start this part of this part of the know of the thing.

So, well, then, posterior to this, there's allogias in all

different in London, they're three, that were the mason in a tavern,

and, this, so, they're doing three loggias and they say, we're going

to join us to do this, and put to do the this, because yeah

is doing much people and get a and then it's the masonry modern, no?

Dentro of this history or this origin we're about we're about people that people

that are the so only the symbol the squadre the compass me makes something

that even sometimes even think that I think I want to think you think

I'm a person for a Dije that I is similar but no is

the symbol here is a bit of geometry about representing the

geometry of the universe but then I'm not respect to the

masones but no no I'm no I know I'm

a doubt in what in what point he was

of workers and partying about the knowledge basic

empirical to to a different a little more

a more oscuro Well, no we know a science certain

but it's a question what is your definition of the okay oscuro

something something that no that's information that not is apt for the

public well according that definition from it's always

it's so it was secret no okay so No, it was easy, I don't,

I mean, no, I'd be access to to all the power, to learn how to work certain type of piers, to do certain techniques and

it was a lot, so it was a secret. Okay. Now, from there always has been, and the,

the, the advantage that has been the masonry for to say it is that's a space in the

place in the which it can't, to exercise and share all the type of the other type of

knowciments oscuros of the space secure. Okay. I'm going to pause a

little that point. We're going to go to go to because I want to know your point

of view. Okay. Today, the culture popular, the culture pop, us have

shown different um, well, yes, we're, like, scenes of what they're

in different types of logias. Mentioned a The Simpsons, that the creator of the Simpsons

has been to have been to know of some knowledge about of certain practices, of certain loggias and it and they're using

a strategy that for me is the most efficient, the ridiculization of the things that they're in a form that chuska

for that you think that no is real for when someone it's like a ridicule to say, ah, is that you're

doing what you've seen a caricature. That's one of the best strategies. But what is your opinion about

of these series that are you know, a fewstasos about this. Well, this is that

you think it's very well, what he does Matt Greggen in the Simpsons if is ridiculize

what it's so, yeah, clear, total. But if see, seeing it

seeing it from a grand ojo from a bit of looking it is like, oh, yeah, so there are

things that are so there are so of the institution. Yes. No, quittandole solemnity

at the moment, no, but if, if it's a little, like, Moe Sponja, there's a

capitul of Calamardo. Aha, yeah. When it's a zoologia. Ah, when it's

a zoologia, that also, there's that, that if, if, if, if,

you see, you see, as, like, member of, then then you identify and you say, ah,

if it's a thing you're like, that's the logia of the buffalo mojavos. And that's great-thew.

And that's so it's genial, no? Because, look, both the Simpsons, like those Pica Piedra are a representation

of the family stereotypo of the American so it's very typical that the

papas is a mason. And it's a form very caricaturized but but very

very aterisada of the children and the rest of the family look what

does this person when goes to go to go to and get to get to

sometimes and to share some and share some and is very

a reality yeah but but vary depending your

logia or is like a certain doctrine quite quite

quadr for to us or there's these ramifications that maybe there's

things that in the other logian not they're and things so you know when you were in the prepa

yeah you remember as some there's salons that said this is the salon of the

relagintos this is the salon of the intellectual so yeah or well

to even to bring us salons in your same group there's the there's the

there's the ballita of the desmad and all so much something something

There are logias that are, for example, there are logias very orthodoxas, that they're always go to trage. There are, there's, there's, there's, there's that you can't as well, you can't come as well, until you can't work. Okay.

So, then it depends much also, also, of the environment with those that are you, because, even in one of the same loggia, there are brothers that say, there are there men who say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm going to go to go. And there are others that say, we're going to and you're at at the 3 of the morning in a fiesta.

Okay. So, see, they have been chido? Yes. There, there's a question,

my question, this, I think is one of the questions that most me gave to

Instagram, and I don't me see on Instagram Pacoarias 369, you'd

do you're to do you should be because regularly I'm questions. One of the questions

that's repitio much is what they're for example you're going to a misa

to hear the word of God you're going to this you're to do you do they're

an example a example domingos 10 of the morning all the brothers

we're we're we're doing we what you okay that's very

very ample so but let us a context there there

there there us we're for to do some work of carid

if there's that there. There are there in the house of a house of a brother

uniquely of some an one of a for only to make a carnit asada and

eat there there are we guys in those we're to go to visit to

a man who is inferm but essentially what could

say the core the the center of the

what is something similar to what you do you every podcast you have to do you do you know

about to do you and to find a consensus okay then so basically you guys a place

it's sure that there's that there's there's this is real that you guys are a place with velas

maybe great with no I know with a type of symbol maybe in maybe in

maybe in middle they're receiving all with those with those of rojo,

of black, maybe, of black, you reunes, there's a leader, and he's a type of conversation?

Yes, yes, okay, that's real. Yes, so, so, so it's really,

is something is something real. We're going to start, about a little, if you do you

do practice? Okay. I took an experience with an Amazon, to talk to be

a great rasgos, that my experience was a little um let's

um we're rar because I gave to this person for other thing

this person is a person that is a person that he's one of the constructions more

of the unhaka I'm I'm and when they're so he made interesting

because it's a person that has sure to have the ability

to move between dimensions in the sense of that entered to the

world to be sphericos duendes and in this experience that he

took he was with him, he was and was an experience

that he changed that that honestly and I honestly,

and I sounded a little a sounda a little when we

Entramos to this place that he is there's a place

that's the called the portal which is a court

of this castle where he I can say he was he was he

was he was a world where was a different something

something something I'm when there when there plants enormous

and things so well when When we're saying that there's

the portal the dock that I see that much they're going to be a person very sensible

Hasiel my brother and another person more when we went we're

something was something strange and here I'm sure I'm very sceptic for many

things not so so much I go I'm in the thing in the

mental me or no sure in the suggestion but when

when I enter it's indescriptible the sensation that there one of my other of my other people

he's got a opresion in the pecho very very strong he said he was like a type

magnetism in the place that he provoked a little time a lot of a

time I was the most things badas okay I I sent him

more I'm more a time and a be there was

there there was that there there no it's exactly But, but cruises the

door and you, fh so you see a change, I'm trying to say that's

like a magnetism, like a place, like if if there were two imamens gigante

and it and it's something and he said okay, that's, that's, I'm not

you can't say of that? Of what? Of what? I got to because I noticed that like,

like, kind of that's like you're no? I see you like a change

of pressure in the environment no? Uh-huh. I, you, I know,

I'm when you're in a, in a tina and then maybe it's someone more that's like

there's like, there's a little more in the water's like, uh, yeah, like, yeah,

yeah, so, so, we're not so we're so we're so we're a chido

to interview to the person that's doing this for that your experience in this

world. I was I was for that I'm at a mere hour salo

a man in plier sport black with a guy in the camis grandissimo

a short a shirt a sopats like to make and he is I

who is he's I'm that's well well genial we're

to let's when he he starts when he us

started to say things things in the thing of something is that

he said things very accorded to us personal that he not should

know problems and how solos my my jasiel of my

brother of my dog of all and he was where he was he was

a master maz grado 33 and And surely that the lor of the back you

you have I'm I'm I'm a really I'm so you know so how

you know me permit you let's gettel I'm I'm I'm

simply me Ibras but I don't see my my friends that were

there they were they were that did something did How you sites?

I go, wow, so, so, so, so, so, two-per-one. I'm going to

hear of the dweens, and I'm and I cut them the and I'm a mason to talk.

What is the so, what I'm that's, he said, he said, he said,

he said, that he was, where he said, where he said, where he said, where he said, to know, you know,

so, so it's simple. You want to say something. What is this? Inicitate. This is necessary in...

I mean, I'm going to be not quite necessary the initiation. But in many cases, is so? Look,

is that depends much of the... Of the person. The mason with the person. Okay.

I know many of my men are that don't have a problem in saying, look, the masonry

is more about this, this and this, we've lived this. No? But there many

You want to see? Eh? Yeah. No? This. And it's normal because each one

live their experience in the Amazonaria in a manner distinct. For example, I don't have no problem.

I'm trying the I'm going to the car of the clothes, I'm not because I'd

try it. The fact, no, there's not that says, I'm not that I'm

not, so if I identify with someone more, how you can't, it's

it's It's There's a There I There I'm There I'm To be a A loggia

And it's One of the And it's one of the People I'm made Is, in what I believe? If I

I believe in God, I'm Can't enter in God? If I think in Satanas, in Lucifer,

I can enter? If I believe in the Virgen, I can enter?

If I think in Santos, I'm Look, the only, the only

requisito in As far as that part that Pied the Masoneria for that

ingresses is that you create in a God or in something, a principle

generator of a architecto? You know, as to do you know, we know

we call the grand architect of the universe. Uh, but like

in the finales of the massonery we have our men are men Christians

Christians, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah, could be a offensive for that we care we refer to this principle

generator of the way in the way in the one only only only only if for me

not you don't know I'm going to call Jeobah but for me there is something

something that okay so to get a great architect of the universe because at the

day is what he is what he designed the creation so there is a so there is a

ateo that no ateo that no not can't enter? No. No, no, okay. The requisite

principal is that. There are many people that when ingressan, they're in some type of God, and they're saying,

no, I'm not, I'm not sure so you, then usually what's it is to ask them, and why are

ateo? No? And result, that at least not they're not seen, because, because no

I've lived nothing. Ah, or because they say, is that I don't think, is that

if you exist or no, then you're not an atheist. You're not. That's always like you're saying because they're the proofs to demonstrate.

That no. That's not. So, so then they're when they're to get to a conclusion, it's decided,

oh, okay, if you can't, no you can't. Because it's a principle fundamental. The having doubt of the

existence is better than the certainty absolute of that no exist. Okay. Pregunt.

Tal-bezz a little incoodod. the difference of gender in in the ambitos of the community has a problem

if you want to be a mazong I'm saying that you'd cost to a question that's easy or no

gender a gender a person that simply someone that simply that's just that

what is what you is that the regla is that also is another point very, very, very, very,

ambiguous? No, no, no. It's a point to analyze very very strong, no. The thing of what you're what you need, the requisites basic, that you need, is be a man, good, and of good customs,

a free, and to have, this, crevency in God. The theme of, of, of, the, of, the, of, the, of to think, to, think to, a profundity

actual, at least in the Macedia, Mexican, no, they've put to, to, a to, a, a to think of profundity because

it's many many windows no, so what what's the candidate

before before to get not the being a question of a not a

preference sexual is a sexual and it's a I refer to the

change of the that's someone someone that's someone for example

that is a thing that should check my marons because I

have many brothers that are most ex-gues. Uh-huh. That's not a problem. Yeah, it's superado. So, because if it's been a problem in some moment.

But today, if someone, who has operated, a guy, if you want to be a masone, so can? Someone gay?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, a man, I think, I've got, I'm a lot of the transition.

That is the problem. That is what is what I see if you have put to think my brothers. Okay.

Because, what would if when he ingress a man, well, is a baron genetically,

and yet has ingressed as a transition well, in theory yeah not would be because now

she's a man, but still being being born in the correction political, I refer to

a genetic only with that you operas still being you know you know

you identifas like you know but the thing of the thing is a

thing that is a thing that not you don't pass nothing okay I mean

I mean I don't I'm bejitos, for to say it grandes, yeah,

veterans? Aha. That they are they say, no, no, it's that no, no, it's,

no, it's, it's a little personal, no? Ah, yeah, yeah, is,

there's very apart, no, no, no, no, I'm going to get to you, you

come, you, you know, yeah, okay, Kedor responded, yes, my question, because I'm

I'm, like, like the religion, about the just only just the also

a certain... To the new times. A the new times. Let's mention it. So,

but not there's nothing. And all of the people of the community of the community that's

a lot of all of them. We're going to talk to a rito of the that's at the

principle. This rito could vary. There's people who have been there's

experience has narrated in internet, in podcasts, in interviews. When they pass

to do their initiation. If they're about that they're they're like they're

like vallations entierros things that could be even mixed with certain practices

occultists what you can you can't say of that the initiation in

the as well like all is in the internet, you repeat the

actually the actually you can is to look at. And it's very abridd, really very aburried, without context.

I read a PDF, well, I was to learn a preemned, of many, I'm, I'm, that there

someone me compared to, someone of the other, and I, um,

I was, I was in English, the I had to pass to the Spanish, and when I said, oh,

no, it's too, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, It's that, in reality, I repeat, no is nothing new, yeah it's and she

have many practices that are repit in many other places and we're we're saying

even, is that I think the thing of the initiation is a thing very human

Okay, what represents for to start? The first is your

separation of who you're, to who aspired to do, it's a kind of

baptism. Well, something The theme of The baptism is that It has to be With only Water, no And here

Here, here If you pass for the elements And if So, if it's Toca, the air, the fire,

the fire, or you passes for different instances and it's more the theme

symbolical than the thing magical that we're Okay You can you can't describe

how it's an initiation? A grand those rasgos? Because also I would be

two years so basically they're they're they're saying oh yeah this day you're going to

a venda in the eyes? Yes there's a there's a well you're going

to do certain things that you need to do your testament you ingress

to reflection about what has done and then you're going by the elements

you pass by the fire how is that you passes for those elements how can

how can you can't say that fernando passed for an element fire an element

water a element a element a element it's very very symbolic no it's

it is that in reality you can make a to do something like,

so, for example, if you say you think you go to the element of the

is because it's because it's a little in a moment you have water. If you

pass it's because in some point there a part of the fire, no?

There's there's a thing, there's a thing, the people that's the person who

you can put more more and you don't try but you can put in

a mess to do a lecture or do a of magic, there are magos or there are

bruchas that in those mesas to work have a piece of a barrel, they're a

little, for having those four elements. Basically is the same. It's the not that

really that vented the water or simply is the symbolism of having passed for

that. For so I said, it's very aburried to see if not

you don't the context. It's I remember a testimony of a person

that I feel much fear because it was interrada, Biva. For that's

we can't talk about because I know that they know that I know how is with the

thing of the time of the time of you're you're interrado how time

you're they're they're that they represent what is the thing to be

in okay look at how you can't how you can't and with

certain that San Luis Potosi has his space dedicated to the part of the

earth in a thing that seems to be able to and it and it's it's a

impact it you know, you know, imagine you know, but you imagineate, you know,

and then you see that ambient ummedo and you get the vending the venda rapidissimo and you all the

kind of a coiff so you so you see you take a much of ondah, no? And,

also, it's a experience that that's a and that's a kind of because there much conspanoia about what we

do that's so much so they're going to be I'm going to me, I'm going to get to batar

but, but what is the fin, for example, and how time someone should be interrado?

Now, well, is that we're going to retomar that part. Entirado specifically

not that is that's interrated. Ah. This, no, no, no, not they're

like, because imagine you get in a problem. It's like avelation. What has that part

if we're talking exactly of the same, that I imagine that is, that part has,

has a lot of significance but essentially is to make you your mortality of that that in

some moment you're going to be there. Okay. And if if you're you're going to

think to think what you did you with the and with the other people is a time more reflexive

it's a thing of reflection because you at the final of the day you're going to the earth one person

that was there was there was more people and all people are and all that's rare

because they're they're like they're I'm like I'm 30 and tantos years

40 and many and so years and I've done I don't know of my life and in that moment

maybe it pego the time the time of the question. I don't know how

it's what I'm because it's a much more denser than than what I'm

to be but it depends of every person no, of how you impact

there, there are many people that if so so it's much to just

what you do you do you do you I'm to 20 no you to

30 no I go to 30. Imagine that of a way,

you're saying here you've got you're what you did you with the what you

did you did you for the other what you did you there's there are

many and then and they reaction very very alterated but

I mean I'm in general so when I took it was it was a

good was a good was a good but if it yeah yeah

after you do you know you're a member so it's

about much of the grados we mentioned a moment before to start the grad

one the master the famous the grado 33 talk me a

about a little about the those that's that also is a

thing very human I refer to all the organization

and it's very human is very human Okay. No, then

And also, and it's a thing very of naturalize. You start, you know, well,

we can't do we're exactly to the work. So, if you could say, yeah,

this of the YouTube, this of the podcast, very bigito, this, yeah no, yeah,

it's the more, I'm going to go, when you when you get to the work,

let's say, oh, I want to you, you're going to send to what?

Of the of the much of chalalan? So do a log. Employer general, for favor. You're going to

for favor, yeah, employee general. Employer general. You're going to be cargando because you know because you're going

so you're going to then you're going and then you're going to do you know, and you're going to learn things to the master and the master

and the master and more sensibilities? And more fine. Okay. So, the tasks more funas,

no, you know, yeah no is just not just things brutas uh, cargar and

and get and get to do things things you know, when you've these those good

years, you know, they're to say maistro. Okay. So it's the same

in the Amazon area. You know an order gerarchical depending of how time you

you've, how know you've you know, how you desemwels there into.

So, you know, you're like, you're a person, or you're a master,

and then then the other those, those that we know we're we know

us how you can't get you? Okay and for example in grados

about in digits numericos exist? 33? Yeah. 30? Yes.

So it's from 1 to 33 from 1 16, del one to 9 depends the ritual.

It's casuality that the maximum grade is 33 that was the years

that was something is something so. No, no there's a single

thing that no there has a that I don't have a

another thing. The because it's 33 could be for numerology, for the death of Christ, for million reasons

that you can explain. The knowledge. Yes. So, are two times the three and three is the

number perfect and blah, blah, and the trinidad. So, there's a million explanations for the, because is 33.

Okay. We've mentioned something important. The theme of that you was starting as an employee general

and you are delegating more things. You're subing more Tares Finas

more knowledge in what moment it's about or he started that a

mason with a good with good knowledge can get to have power

about people like people things so is well there is a one that is

a question that you go to go to those conspinoics the

Delante El the why there There are so Mason in the politics

because they're involved those guys control in the world. I'm going to invite and you're going to

see that we're going to know we're to be able to do that's not so it's so not so that

what is the cause of the because the masoneria is involved in spheres of power

that that would be more aterisable no so the thing of the

why the massoneria is involved in things in spheres

of power is because it the natural of the

association. It's a space in the world you're going to know a

other people probably with a position political adequate that

they they can share interests and that it makes more

more in a person and also it's and also it's a

space in where you can do you do

your ideas new for example all the revolution the independentists

compromised we're that were part of the masonneria is a a space ideal

to be a mason benito jrars was emason benito jurers was a mason also there also

there's interesting between those that said there are socessions and between those that said

that just they did So the point is that the masonry, historically, you have permitted that, you have permitted that, a space in where you can't conspired. Okay. Well, for the same,

were persecuted in the Second War World. Yeah. It's that sometimes me sound so much to the history of the Illuminati, I, maybe, from my ignorance,

many people those confunded, but is that if there is a certain similitude. Yes, the Illuminates of Brabiera, no? Uh-huh.

It's supposed that serjured also of a rama of a of a masoncito that

we're going to do their sect secret but they extinged rapidly

it's normal okay you're to ask a little why today

why today the people associate um aso a much to the

masones with a time of satanism that's very bad

is for the the same of what we have been about

the so the mazoneria still still being a space in the

what is that's there there and it and yeah yeah uh

uh uh does a a much a much a much a theory conspirative

no and part of this theory conspirative is what we're to begin

when when someone when someone when someone you know when you see

your evolution because of I'll say, ah, yeah, I think

in the church, yes, but no, but no, but I'm there. And it's

transformed in, no, no, no, yeah, no, no, I'm going to say,

is that's that's not the fact that there's a mulling, no, it but, but just

go for there, the time of the time to get, let's let's understand, what is the

satanism, who is satanus? Uh-huh. And in resumned the result, satanas can't even

in the Bible. The term Satanus Signify the oppositor And that If that's

In that In that Anywhere That's in Contra The The evangelio Or the

The church? The church It's a Satanas Correct No? Total, so

So, So, then what What you When you Whenito Juarez That's

Promulga the Reforma and says That the Separation of the

State and the Church has It's a Satanus Well,

So, yeah. And this way is a mauson. And the same and the same. It's historically in all the other countries, in where you say, this figure of power is mazone and is in contra of it. So, it's satanized. And that's a practice that has made

the Ecclesia Catholic since years. What is so interesting is the people that say are adorators of Lucifer, that also go to a part of terminologies. Who is Lucifer? And what signify? And

what signify? I would I would say I'm not of Satanas and Lucifer of Baphomet Ah, well

the Bafomet this also that's too the Bafomet that we know in the actuality or we'll say the Bafumet

Contemporanio is this figure of a macho cabrio with a hand of Bens of

Mugre Sens of Mugert Pyrnus Pyrna's cruised a serpient in the falo blah

blah blah blah Well that that thing is the Bafomet original that

that image is a a group of symbols that pretend to explain a million things, no? Sure, yes,

yeah. Of course, Baphomet, as an other thing more more contemporary. Prevue

to this was, uh, I don't I remember that was a form, but no, I don't know, I don't know,

for that to be honest, but, uh, but, but, so, no,

no, no, no, the thing is that the image too, yeah, yeah,

the, so, the, so, the, the, the, Oh, what happened?

The devil. But that also also has to be with a time to the place to the idea of what is a devil or a

demon. Yeah. Because in reality just it's a fauna if you want to see what you're and they're

a lot of symbols, but as a moment but it no exists. Sure. We're to a part

of the podcast where my questions will change a little more. You You remember

When we started I said I'm going to Pausear this And I'm And I'm Here I'm

Here I'm Here I'm I'm I'm sure How is How is How is that The

Bucke of the Conocement Because One One thing is That five six people

We're Let's Let's How was It was You It's It was

that you a certain, no project, how is that you me share of information.

The man, for his natural never really more. Simply

say we say it's insatiable and many sometimes it's to be

to make more to be more of what he want. In that the

business where you don't you know something to

know something a little, no, a little, no, much more spiritual. What on that? Well, you know,

you know, it's part of the naturalness humana, the, to ask more, and the, and the, and the,

and I think that this, is, that this, is, that's, that's, to the part of what you

said, at the, when they're when they're to enter, new ideas, in the, so,

that, so, that not they're not more albañis yeah, but they

start to get to get to the I'm to get to ask,

well, and what more about? Because, the element fundamental

that different to the massonery operative, is to the speculative

that is the actual, is the type of constructions that's realisan. The

operative has a construction material to the house and the operative

has a construction spiritual or philosophical and philosophic. So,

so I think that there is the question of when is to start

that's, when they're to be that not only it's it's

it, but that's you can build something that's in

that that the question so you can you know

that you have done have done to knowledge

just like you mention is not operative the other okay what you what you do you know

to make a person to get a a place and are a looking to connect with something that they

that's that you know look every each one is free because we

we're not a way the knowledge what you want. I have

I'm there's that you think it's solstice and I'm going to make an invocation

and who know what an Amazon that emboca? Uh-huh Okay Yeah, so common is?

Bastant Okay I've got I'm not I did a projection astral and I feel

and I'm and I'm other other areas so the thing of the setteria and of the magic

in general is so that each one can can be every one could Amazon,

no you're going to say, this is the the way. So I'll say this is a way.

And then this is a way you get to get to. No? So, then you find you

know, I'm a man who are a mango, I'm a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah. And I have others said, no, a me what I like

is the thing of the thing of the being for the human more than

in the intervention of other other other entities. Okay. So

every one does and see there's there I think I'm

there are men I'm people who are they're making them those people they're

those they're they're they're they're an more ancestral um

what type of deities that you know invokens or evoke for back the

know they're they're they with their demonios with

some things all radas but demonios we vocation

of demons Yeah It's that Here is the theme is the desmitification of the term

What is the demitification of the termino The being The Mexican Promedio has

It's so arraigada The Christianity That even not going to Misa if

see a entity with pats of cabra and cola Yeah Yeah

Yeah So So this part is that so arraigada that

we're that we spantams we're we're we're we're we're

we're we're we're with satan with with the devil with demonio

is this this for example the term I don't I'm I'm I think it's

demon and a demon and a demon was a thing was a like your

thing for the grieos because that's because the grigos they were

other religion and the catholicos they had to satanized all the previous.

So, so the the study to demons, in studying angels, at the end it's

it's you've seen the descriptions of an angel? Yes, the tronos,

the, the, the, you know, you see that, you're, you're, you know,

so, yeah, and, and, and, and, if you're much more

more more than a demonio as they can't a man, Let's say

Impone Impone In fact I've I've mentioned that the angel That's Before I said Notemas Because of

You know, so Because you're not You're not Our brain, so For those are Those things rare So, so I think I'm men who garran

Do you, They're invocations of demons Asen those sigilos Hasen some Magia Sympatica blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's all they do in your loggia,

or they're just, yeah, like, in your house. No, every one. Every one is, for example, of that today I go to my loggia, and I'm going to fernando, with the eyes blanks, levittance,

revocating to, no see, a X of that. That's, that's a, a, uh, a, a, um, a, well, not is that it's a mit,

it's like, it's like, like, like, a idea that's into many people that Ingresses in the Amazonaria That when

When you get to the Maestria Yeah You know, we're doing And then we're Oh, is a master

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, this is Yeah, but no, and is that in serious,

there are, there are many people are going getting to say, no, is that when

I'm sure, that's like, I'm, so I'm a, I'm a thing a thing a magical,

a magical, and that's nothing to that's not no, no, no, if there's magic, but

it's like, if, if existier the magic tantito, you think that's

that's established in this plan, no? So, if we could literally desprenderned

to a other plan? I'm where I kept on that's a real? About the disrending

astral, or talking to a world of the Rathas, I don't do you know never,

because if the literature is correct to respect to the FES, I don't want to a Fai

more of two seconds. But each everyone study what

he a lot of that that's affinity. So, we're the fact

of the fact of going to a category, or in a major knowledge,

we'll do you, but I would be to call it mysterious, revelation of

mysterious? Yes, literally. Usest a word to a good termine if it's,

if it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, to get, to start to developals,

but every people decide what what Tell us, maybe, to,

let's be, here apply the, the no, yeah, I'm going to question. There's a there's a

mystery that want to be there's a internet. One, that's the internet. No,

is that's the problem. No, no, no, there's no back on the sun.

Okay. Uh-huh, that's all, that's all all the know, all the

thing is that the cause is that not they're, okay. So, there's much people that

says, is that because the mazones don't do they? Mano, yeah it's

that. So, oh, is that then because I can't enter into a procession?

If you can't. I'm, like the people who I want, I'm in the Rios,

bettis to your set. Except. Yes, but many times the people, in general,

they want to say to my mom all servidito and in the and the thing that has a

conspinoia is that is that not satisfefecha with nothing. And you I'll explain

with an brother who entered. Because he when he went to say he said to say he

was to say he he was to be sure all what he said. He said okay. Ingress

and I ask and then what on? If it was true or not it was true I'm just

I'm trying I'm not I'm going to say he's a second grade, what on?

Yeah you've been you've been a lot that there is that you know

that the really is after that I'm a master if I'm a master what on?

No, is that after that's a grad 33. So, not satisfaces

to the paranoia with that. Mysterios that I like, for example

to study a little about the divination but enfocated to the

individual. I mean dismitificing things, the tarot. You know, is that in the

tarot that's that And you can't ask about the future, and then then you know, and then

you know, you know, $250 pesos the the letter of tarot? The law. The law.

What do you the cards? What do you? What does that's not, it's not, how it works? How it

does it? The tarot is a thing of that every card has a symbolism a paroched

to her. So, we're going to talk to something and very resumido we're

to talk to the Torpled by the radio. The destruction. Yeah. What is what

is the tarot? Or how it works for me the tarot? The tarot, depends of the tirada that you

want to give a symbolism and you have to you have to your person and in the circumstance

that you are you is a example super simple in a time

in a past present and future. I see the time of the

tower of the rocked by or me destroyed or a murder, what was in my past

and a part of that question that's reflexive, I'm to question me over

my and then after the next card and I'm the next card and me

I'm and I know, that is for me a lecture more precise of the

is a reflection maybe? Ah, a thing of a thing

and it's a thing also the thing that not much

people is the thing that this that is something that is something

can use to use for a lecture free and get a lot of there's that's the thing of the

dramatization or somebody is doing but you genuinely you genuinely you're in a power

that is what is what you do you know in quite to the cards no

but in in quite other things I consider for example the thing of

the energy the frequency vibrations of of frequencies of

vibrations is, for example, the of... Leasermatica, maybe? Uh-huh. For example, all the...

The kivalion. All of what appears there, because it has a good, no? For me, it's the

book. Yes, will be it. It's a different. Me it's the second person that me do you.

It's a major. It's different. Okay. So, so, for example, that type of

things, that type of things, we've talked about the Baph-Met, no? And there's a

bit about, and there's about. Is above? Is above? Also, in that same, in the baphomet, are all the principles armitic.

It's like the rimas above, it's a rhythmical, all is mental, all, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what for me is, no? And that for me

is what I mean I like. I have no, no, I, I, no, I, the 70-tattats with the clavicles of Salomon.

No, that you do this, no, that's every one is all going to go ahead. Okay. There are

somederos left there's different things, there's different things in about the magic.

But that's not with the thing of the masonry in the masonry you see symbolism but not

you know to makeia like that you know exoterism but a sometimes you're

doing exoterism are things different you know you can't a type of magic I think

you know that I'm a type of but it's a type of a major but it's

for you you just you just you just you just you're talking of other

you're Sure, no. Daener to your progium. Or to help it. Wow. That interesting. And to, maybe, Fer,

the, the theme paranormal. You have lived a problem in the thing of this role.

Apenas it was that we were in a session and I was sent out session is

a reunion? A reunion. A culto? A, a reunion. A reunion. A reunion. We were satos and we're talking

I don't remember I'm going to be in that we're talking but the theme was kind of very dense. We were very, very, very, very metidos. And it was that we've got to have done more for our brother, and that the brothers that are not, we're to recordarned of them, of his families, and the rest.

And, of the nada, if in a sill that that's a, you know, there's a bottle, and the bottle of the water and the bottle of the water. And the bottle was metied at the floor in where it's connected the sillon with the respond to, there. And so, yeah.

And then we'll get us to, what pedd just happened to pass? No, well, we're going to continue and we're going to do. In fact, it's interesting because in all the sessions

is, that's that's that's that's that's that's to be

to be those who are the or those who are but not corporately. So,

so we have that that there's with us with us who not is

physically okay how lead you like the thing spiritual paranormal

for example if you let's let's you're in your house you're

you're know that you have a perception of the reality different to

many people you're in your room and you start to have an event polteries

okay movement of the movement of the movement of the movement of the spirit ruidos

things that levited how do you do you with that so you know I mean

I'm particularly in my house in my house spand but this

because okay okay in my In the house, I'm in sombras, always

they're in sombras. It's the typical homer that they say there's a piece

in where there's the kitchen, there's the cell and there's the room, the room,

and the side of the side of the kitchen there's in where we're in

the patio, no? In that piece always, always, always, always,

so, and, I was when I said, I came my papa,

and I put I mean, I was, I was in the commodeer and then I was in the sunbat and then I was in front of the room. No, no,

no, it's nobody. No, we're not nobody. We, we're, we're, the talk-discos, grandotete, of those that are, the ones that were,

like, it was, like, like, that's new idea. Yeah, always, the desgracial in the night, always,

always, always, always, always, never, because it would never, no,

no, the way, it was, the way, it was, But, I mean, I mean, we're accustomed to, there's a photo

also, we're the screen of television, of the bigitas, yeah, that's, they're, they're more

space to back than the screen. Yeah. That TV, I remember, when you were, when it had been,

it was, it was, it was, and the, fochito rojo prended, the, it was,

you had been, it's, it's, we're gonna a photo, with the fochito roho and it's

like, a man blank in the panlla, in the You know, I'm going to It's a

Paugated Ah, I'm Apagated I can't But I'm Okay But well That's always

My house What I'm What I'm What I'm What I'm For example, I'm My house Yeah

I'm in So I So I'm Cigilos I'm a ton of things In my Casas

And At least What I I do I'm in This type of events is

procurar a A One of With a Withal With a With

No, No me Molestestes You You can be You can't be

with broncas. I'm here. We have two. Or coexistimus or one of the two is going to go. But I'm going to go. So that is what I

do. I have brothers that what they are doing is that they're ammations. I don't know I've studied

but they're there ammations for the house. For ambienta? Purification the zone. And more

every who everyone decides I'm the person I put my protectionsitats in all the house.

What sigil are the are those that you use. Some of them I inventing because you can inventing sigilos, you

can't do you. Yes, you do you do you do the intention to your sigiloh? Basically it's the magic

so I'm so I'm think I'm think I'm think of my husband for example he's

to use with water and canela and I've asked what's that's my things oh well

I don't let go I'm to play for rapid Ah, yeah, basically is what I do Okay, interesting Platica, we've been

Abentamus You, in some You, in some moment Has done what you asked The brothers That you said To ask, to To get more

No, I see, Conociment, Has evocated? Has invocated? No, Evocar, And interesting that you know

You know, I don't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't like that

because it's made of much preparation previous and I don't like the magic of

preparation previous. You think you could have a risk? No? No?

No. No. Well, well, maybe, but not I do,

I've studied to the sufficient to say, at the final of the

time, the thing, with evocar or with invocar things is for what? I mean,

I'm so I'm do it so I know to be for okay.

is that I want to study esforsate because if you want to be a easy and it's a okay

but there's information that maybe not stay in this world no in books that not

not is much less in the internet I think what there I mean so if there

information that not there are not but I think the information that is

information that is information is information that is information that experimentes. Okay. It's like what you mentioned you last time

of when you went to go to the house of the Wendez. That I said for me, I, for example, when I when I get to

get to feel something, for me, I feel like all my around, like the atmosphere to my

around me would start to pressionar because there something. Yeah. The chock of energies,

no? Uh-huh. But that, we, if I do you do you do and I talk with

with someone that I've talked to but the not it has lived never will

understand. Totally. To get to all this type of experiences and of things, for example,

the time of the control of energies, who who experimented and who can be

and who can't do it and then it's but to do not more,

it's going to get to a lecture but after that you

when you is when you when it's when it's when you know for example

evoc a person and suppose that that's material that

materialize to physical I will I'll go to learn a million but I'm

not to not say I'm going to know I'm going to know what you know? Has read in a

moment some grimori? Yes. They're very very very good. What has read?

No, I remember. I mean, I get many get many things that just like,

oh, that's good that's good that's okay, but those les, you know,

you get to the rito to try to bring to this plan? There, no,

I do do. Okay, Because, you repeat, that type of magic No, I don't know that. Let's understand that. Well, I at least, I understand that the magic is

the manifestation of your in the reality. Or in one person. Or in one person. Yes. So, I don't like that's the other.

So, the same, for example, implorality a son is the same than to peddle to a demonio that do you do. Not more than in different

can. No. No. No, I don't do. I don't do you know, I'm a fin to that. And if I'm

I'm not even if I'm even if I'm trying I'm not going to do that. Okay. So if you're affina a certain type of

things, there is you're going to do. If no, but even it's like the paranoia, no? To the conspinoical it says,

is that I'm I'm trying to and it's the chance if it's the true. Probablyn't. It's all right that you want to

that's not that's for you. Correct. Oh yeah, termina a plattica, we're inventing, bro.

How did it very? Very fun. Very I'm not have you accommodated. A me

I'm clear something. And I think it's a question that that I'm that I'm

if I'm a final you know, is a final of the human and of how it's a right.

Exactly. The Amazonry is that does it can be there in some

there's like in some because it's like so that so that no, every who's

who's Yeah. That no is spantar because you know. I'm going to

try to this in the right. Correct. And that's what different. That's the

good. That's a place in where you can really really, you know,

to be able to you want to you want to you know, you can't say someone is that I'm going to

do you do you. Well, you're going to do you. Although if I'm incomodary

to say today, I'm going to send to a other world to a

being a human. I don't think, it's like, it's a chido that's your carrown, but Yeah, yeah,

so you think is that I'm, I think I'm, to think, a, how's the thing to palmer yombe? Paleros.

Ah, paleros. And santaos. And those, guys, if me have said, no, we, that's

really, that's very, very, very interesting. To work to work to work, yeah,

that's, yeah, I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm, yeah,

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