EXTRA ANORMAL - ¡Virgenes que Lloran! | La VERDAD detrás del Misterio con Lourdes Gómez y Yohanan Díaz

Episode Date: December 20, 2024

¡Bienvenidos a otra impactante emisión de Extra Anormal Podcast! En esta ocasión, contamos con la presencia de dos invitados de lujo: 🔍 Lourdes Gómez, reconocida periodista e investigadora de fenómenos paranormales. 🛸 Yohanan Díaz, experto investigador en el fenómeno OVNI y referente en el mundo del misterio. El tema principal de esta emisión es “Santos que Lloran”, uno de los fenómenos más enigmáticos y debatidos en el mundo del misticismo. Lourdes y Yohanan comparten sus investigaciones exclusivas y experiencias personales sobre este extraño suceso. ¿Milagros, fraude o manifestación de fuerzas sobrenaturales? ⚠️ Prepárate para descubrir la verdad oculta y relatos inéditos de estos casos que desafían la lógica. 🕯️ ¿Crees en los Santos que lloran? ¿Es un mensaje divino o algo más? Cuéntanos tu opinión en los comentarios. 🔔 No olvides suscribirte para más episodios con invitados especiales y temas paranormales que no te dejarán dormir. Canal de mis invitados:    / @nochedelluviapodcast      / @yohanandiaz   ¡Virgenes que Lloran! 😱 La VERDAD detrás del Misterio con Lourdes Gómez y Yohanan Díaz #SantosQueLloran #LourdesGómez #YohananDíaz #ExtraAnormalPodcast Virgenes que lloran, Santos que lloran, paco arias, lourdes gomez, Yohanan Diaz, paranormal, Extra anormal, relatos de terror, la verdad detras del misterio, historias de terror, noesnormal.tv, noche de lluvia podcast,

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Thank you, family. Beemned a night of a no-is-normal. My name is Pac-Aarias and I'm very happy to be here with all of you.

Thanks to all those who are connecting, thanks to all the family of ExtraNormal podcast, to the Jojneros, to the family

of Noches of Jubia with Lourdes-Gombers. Thanks to all who are with us Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Today, we're a super-tema for all of you, family. This night, we're going to talk of a or of various

cases, more, of investigation that has to our people to talk about in different phenomena

in different churches, capillas, catedrales, where we've got some Lachrymas,

lagrimas of water, lagrimas crystallinas, lagrimas that even in cases more fervest,

it's that could be the same. I entusiasma much present this case. Also,

we'll talk about of what is what is going out of what is what is

occurring with the phenomenon ovny that is a really is a lotura.

It's that they want to get to know, it would be a new oleada of objects voleders not identified, where we're going to start analyzing certain, certain cases of some of the news that are occurring in these

these days. For favor, puttick comod, puttie comoda, apag the light, prepare your botana, because this night just begins. We're in this moment. Adelante. A long of the history, the world has been testigo of phenomena mystics

that are the logic and the reason. Between these soceses, one of the most impactant and enigmatic is the images of of santo and virgins that are, derraming of the water, sandry, acid, or even light of crystallinas.

A this phenomenon is also a more strange, the apparition of cabello that grows in form inexplicable in some of these figures religious. The yant of the images sacred has been reported by diversed points of the world,

from small capillas rural, to grand cathedrals. The testigos assure them how the lachrymas are formed in the eyes of these statues and

descenden for their mehillas, leaving surcos of the painting or in the material of the sculpture. In some

cases, the labrimas have been submitted to analysis scientifics, reveling compositions sorprendentent

as the samegumana with globulos rogos or substances olosas impossible to explain

for processes natural. This next mirecoles 18 of December. No, you pyrn't this great investigation traided by

our friends Lourdes Gomes and Johanandias in NusNormal p.b. And as you can't

be family there is of what we are going to be about this night, the theme

of the same images or virgens that strangely have a phenomenon

that is very little common to be. Something that has impacted a millions of of persons and that even still being a great mystery

for the community ecclesiastica. And this night I want to present to my invite to me. On my side

the left, I would like to present to my friend Lourdes Gomes. How is you?

Pucko, good nights, to you, to all the people that are being

in vivo, as an honor, it's an honor to be here. Thank you for accept the

invitation, my How good. What's good to salute you, Paco, to all the people that look at these moments. Much thanks for being here.

Thanks to you for your invitation, Paco. Thank you for accept to them, the fact I said, I said a while I'm to repeat. I'm very much

good. Me, it's much felicit that us accompany here in our Tuxtepeg, Waxaca. I really,

me put very very happy when people like people like you super, super known, very greats in the theme

that you manage to our different to our janeos, to talk a little about this. For the people that it's for first time that we're looking, that we'd

like that, for favor, be presenten the two, initiating for Lourdes. Rets social, for favor? Sure, that is, Paco,

I'm called Lourdes Gomet, I'm a periodist and a writer, I have dedicated my career periodistic to the world of

mystery, over all to try to demonstrate the linkulation that exists between the phenomena,

paranormal, usphologic and religious. Those investigations, I'm going to in my podcast, Noche of Juvia. Thank you,

Thank you, so, much thanks. And, well, I mean, they're in the insolita experience, a program at through internet,

of my channel of YouTube, so, and since the year 2016, I've been doing a doing to do what that

the topic of the contactism, and what implican the contactos, and, Phenomeno Omni. And in some days, in one a month,

I'm presenting yeah, Enquentros. Extraordinarious. It's that's so. Enquentros extraordinary. It's my new podcast

where I'd to know many of those voices that have been with the aspect of the phenomena and a little of

the phenomena paranormal. Perfect. Thanks, I mean, I'm going to family, to passen

to visit the canals and the projects here of our people, Luzz Gomez, Johanan-Dias, that is really is something

asombroso, the quality of investigations. I'll tell you to say that of the people that have investigations very good, very fertes, and, over all,

very reales to the mess of the people that consume this content. There's a thing very interesting, a theme

very interesting, friends, that has to have to be with Santos and we're going to do that,

but before of that, I would talk to what has been going in the the last days. In

the U.S. In the United, in a great part of Europe, persons are having these avistamintments that have been with the theme no-human, ovities, objects voledars, that are

over-volving, certain cities, even, bases, militar. So, we're going to talk about what has to be

with this new o'leada of objects not-identified. What can you say to you? Adelante, Lourdes? Well, we're talking

of an oleada that not only only has done in the States which is the place of the about the virality that

have taken these videos in internet, but as well is going to explain now Johanan also is

doing in other parts of the world, in other points of Europe. It's

about the objectos not identified, that have some those trajectories very

rapid that are are, or they relate to much with the drones, well, as well as we know them, and that surprise for, apparently, the fault of, let's supervision or the fault of tactic for the militaries and the authorities to be neutralize this phenomenon.

It's a attention, because we could think that it's a grand theater in instead of a phenomenon real. Much of people are saying, outside, that this is a a form of a cortina

of humo to encubri something. What if is strange, I know is that is a phenomenon that's not

only only in the U.S. is the other side of the world, much, especially many people

are taking evidences of a form never before, the form that's a clear,

so that's so invisible. That's so. So, see, Look, I think we're conscious that now

through a telephone mobile, we've been something strange in the sky, we're taking a photo, a video, and we're we'll share to the radio, and in question of

seconds, yeah, not even of minutes, the world is entera of what is occurring in in any part of our planet.

Now, there is to know the context of what is happening in these moments in the Union American.

A part of the month of December, exactly exactly after seven years. In these Feches,

has seven years, it's published an article in the period of the

New York Times, that I to record that is the period of the major

influence in the whole the planet. So, well, it's

a reportage where he did know that there

a group that was the omnis for part

of the government United and and that has a money

of the $20 $1. This was the administration of in the anterior administration, in the first of Donald Trump,

he punged in all the moment for that the government to give a excess or a percentage very high of the pressure of all the areas of the military in general. It was

like a obsession of Donald Trump in that it was to be to be it, to renewing the technology, to acquire new technology, to continue developing new technology and necessitaban and

needed millions and millions of dollars, Cosa, that no conciliot during the four years of his mandate. What curious, for me, what curious, that now a one, a month practically, of that he

to take the presidency in the United, we know that mysteriously appeared, abistamintos omni for all the others. What is what is what I'm going to

what I visualize a part of what what you do in the first mandate of Donald Trump? One, the disclassification of many other documents

is going to open the expedients of the areas of intelligence how has been occurring but it will give more

importance. We'll see that Donald Trump will solicit a major presuppost because if no there's an

enemy we're not the enemy who is the objects that are overvolando that we don't know

we can we don't know we know how tumbar those but that are there and that

is coming the attention in these moments at the level international of

a manner tremendous. And what is what is going to happen? That when he came Donald Trump, he will say, we need money, we need millions of dollars for the investigation and development of a technology that can help to defenders

to a possible invasion. And the ultimate point. In the rectal final of the first mandate of Donald Trump in States, it's created the command of spatial. A command of spatial that could act in the space exterior, in our atmosphere, and in the

in the theory exists in the practice no exist an aeronave with those

characteristics but Lurde's encountered the patente that the people who know in these

moments can see the patent that exists yeah is registered and that the United

during the mandate of Joe Biden actual president of the United made

a group of people to recor to return all Latin America detract of the metamaterials. The metamaterials are

the pedasos, the rest of the omnis estrelled, or that have exploded in America of the South. Much is he says that no there's an evidence tangible

of the time of the omnis. Who says is because no investigated, no has studied, no has traveled, no has known. But when

we are front to those metamateriales, is impactant what we know, what we knowce the history, and how these individuals

that came from the United to Latin America, they were mues of those metamaterials to see if a part of

those elements they could they create that aliasion that's necessary for the famous command spatial.

Tremenddo. You can you can't talk about what we mentioned to that patente Amiga?

Sure that if you Pucko that the States United patent and it's

a patent public a nav that was a new technology that was a

science with a technology anti-gravity that was able to displace as both for the space as for the atmosphere and at a level of leecho-marino or aquatic

could manage those three medios, pass from zero to a velocity incredible thanks to terms that appear in the patent

as reduction of mass inertial and it's practically the description of what we know we know that we

comport as object volator not identified. That patent exists. We don't know if

has given to the reality but that patented and it's a part of the studio Omni that

he realizes to the United. To adder simply to a detail

to what comment Johanan the ultimate or the ultimate document of

those that he firma Donald Trump before before his earlier

mandate was that in the space and in places like

the lunar, they could realize minery minery extraterrestrial, extracts, and that

had all the potesta to do. It's that it not was territory of the

community international, but they could have appropriation of different

territories out of our planet. That us does an idea

of the context in that precisely to a month

to Trump initiated his mandat all these phenomena.

Now, now, here there is something. A better. Really, maybe the people is there are extraterrestres or are

from here of the earth? Exactly. My hypothesis that is created by someone. No is normal.

And I explained why that a month before that he took possession this impetu and there a psychosis

really of the Omnis in these moments in the Union American. States United not is the only a country. It's

England. Exactly. And if we're going to America of the South, we're going to find countries like Peru, that this is new, that this is constant over its bases military. Those Peruanos leechan the culpable to the Chileans. The Chileans

let's the culpe to those Peruanos. The Colombianos leachian's the culpac to, and so we're going to everyone. It's just, it seems, it's like they're trying the attention? Yes. It's like what they're desire in these artifacts is

create a revuelta to say, sirs, here we are we cause much, much interest

the fact of that it's a month before that he took possession Donald Trump. And if

just for to finish and if we've been that in the first days of his mandate of

Donald Trump solicita a amount in the person need to that we're

saying that we're doing in these is created for they that's

that's impressive because that we're that one person has

the power to power to do this phenomenon and it's

incredible because I have seen videos where the people they're and they

do they do they do. There are articles periodistic the testimonies now through the

media and the people they're going to we're doing we're

videos where the police the police they're they're they're trying to tumours

and they can't with the canions these that down the drones,

don't they can't. It's saying, there are videos that have seen in the

hours where those objects are at 30 000 a 30,000 on a drone,

that's a don't. So, what technology is? Really come in

other planets? It's a technology completely agena to human seems. In the

first instance, that is now, now, we know, we know, we know

we're technology not it's technology, or English, or in any other country. Well, if no is of them, and it's of the U.S., then of who is, and then, of

who is? And, of there came the concept of no-human. But, there are to record that in the last months is the word Drobny. Dron and Omni. And also in Mexico, it's occurring, I'll say, Paco, and to

the auditorio, that we're, from April in the case, the eclipse total of the Sol that lived the Republic Mexican, we're living that eclipse in

the heart of the zone of the silence considered as one of the other of the people, a part of

there's a lot of the zone in the zone of the silence documented by the people that live

at the interior of the desert that we we could consider after as casas

in a campament where with cameras of quite quite we could capture exactly

the same phenomenon that is a report in the States United. It's a

phenomenon that's like Johnnan present in the United in Europe overvolving

bases militares. I mean, there's a much coincidency that's a month

before that this person Donald Trump took the power but really he would be

that capacity? It's that here there is that he only depends of the

companies that they are the most visible Elon Musk. We're we're

we're talking about we're It's the first human over the face of the that has

accumulated that has accumulated and that the eyes not the world, the eyes those have

in Marte and that he has made the human and create the first colonies

Marcianas. We're talking about yet of other levels. We're saying

that they want to have the support, the money necessary to get

to get to other other other so we I don't mention about

Taurus as a servitor, that they're going to America Latina in buska of the metamaterials. No is the

government who is paying that are the companies privates that they are the the, the abesteciment

necessary technological to the government of the US. So, then you, and where we

going? That if there's an amount in the Presuppest of the exercise

private, they are benefisied the 100% not to go to the

that they create and they're and develop technology exclusively for it. No, and

they're also investing? Sure. So, would you have to say that

this is a plan of an elite? To me it's a thing, because I'm

to be a very honest, Paco, Johan, to all the auditorio. Here

not we don't we don't we don't we're the supervivency or the supremacy of

a country. What is the supervivency of the humanity. Yes, is. Hasn't more

a decade, Stephen Hawkins, one of the minds more more of the world of the science, enfocated

to the astronomy and the question, he's not to know if the

world is a fact. The question is, we'll have been

a bit another house before that this is in a

climate pre-veelico like we we're we're living a level

geopolitical in the actual the that they can get the inversion necessary to create a colony

out of our planet, it defines the supervivency of our species before that we have come with this house, the

only that we know that is a fact that is a point to collapse. Now, we have to record that

the investigations of scientific as notables as in Mexico there was a scientific Rafael

Navarro that lamentably fallacy that has a little that has he

had the project for NASA where he was he could make the

terraformation is we're we're we know our planet to color

red with agate and that he a through

his investigations scientific he could do in the theory

to make that transfer reformation in the planet

Marte that in a certain time would be a

our planet. Is it? Yes. That the investigations are there, that the great

companies have now the capacity technological and economic to make it. Because of that's why

it's a interest now. Imagineate. We have a Elon Musk that is very very close

of the president and that's yeah negotiating the peace in some places,

is doing what necessary for that the world so it is the figure and

that the figure the figure of Donald Trump in that a part of the specialists in economy

they say that a part of that he to me the power, the configuration economic of the planet will change in absolutely all. One only person will do that all of that. Wow. That's what we are.

How power, no? How to power? It's incredible. Now, the theme of the Omnis could be his caballito of battalion, as we say in Mexico, to look and acceder

to other spheres of the politics, of the culture, about all of the political and the environment and the industry, and the thing of

the time of the disparals, very rapid Paco, no is new. We have archives disclassificated

for countries like the Mio, Spain, where there expedients of the

Expertions of the Army of the military, the Royal in Badajoz,

where a group of soldiers dispar a person of a aspect humanoid

of color red that appears in the base they allust, disparate,

and it's every an expedient military because the caskillos, the bainas and the

balas not appear for any lot. No, he affected to that the oldograma

and how that's absorbed when we've got of our reality. The fact, the

expedient is not for what you see the soldiers, but for the disaparition

of those battle detonas. We have we have the case in Akeipa, in the

base military, the joy one of the most grand in that part of the world that's in the city Blanca, denomina

Araquipa. And, well, in the decade of the 80, the commandant of Oscar Santa Maria, they were in a morning, all in formation, 1,800 elements

formed, and in the sky, there were an object enormous that they said, or considerable that it was to a grand

globo. He said, the chief of the base military, pede that tumben that's there

above, mandan to Oscar Santa Maria in an Avion Sukoy, that in that moment was the avion most impressionant, the of the better technology, that was manufacturing, that had acquired in that moment, Peru, and then, then, they said,

it's about the Chileans that are doing labors of intelligence. Manden the avion, manned the avion, man, man, an air, cargated with all, gets to a point where they'd know that it was not about a plane, I don't,

not, not it was a object with form of a sphere that was turning of color cream, and in the part inferior, there had a base quadrada. The pilot commenced

to disparate, 64 oboces. The oboces are of the time, like a a soft of this of two litre, less,

64. I was he asked to the opportunity to interview to in his house in Lima, Peru. What would have happened or what

would be if an oboos a car or an edificio, it will bellowed, it disappears for complete. Now, it's created a power of

fire of fire, of horses were launched against that that object mysterious. No, he did absolutely

nothing. And this same has occurred in many other countries. For that, when we

know we're we're involved into the theme of the omnis and we've been the context general,

really we know we're not we're new and not are the Units. There are the grand

battle of Los Angeles that there is preending a movie of Hollywood where the context is the

second war world, the fear of the United because the Japanese

attack the coast of the Union American and in that moment appear

on the lights and they have the reflectors the United

commenced to start and really actually occurred there

there an encounter that no was what were what happened

were technology Japanese Japanese, no is it. But what is we know to the factually,

that never were the rest of those supposed objects that were there were in manufacturing Japanese.

If not it found, if we were that in this moment, they did know that they created a

power of and that were impacted those those objects with what it was with the

fire and not, no, no, it's simply, they're just, then then they're

thence, and then that's the question of many people are asking if it's possible that this

that is made that's made a type of technology for that the ballas, the projectiles do it

simply not not, not not, it's a thing that right the people are talking much out out of

the people not know they're not they're they're impressed because they are doing

a quality sumament spectacular with so So, they're the look of grab them with telephones

to very good resolution, with telescopes. So, it's been curious because they're in spheres,

it's silindros. Inclus, there's a video that would be like a kind of an angel, no?

So, like the tronos, these anillos, conojos, so it's impressive.

It's impressionant. It's impressive. For there about the project Blubin, the projections

that we're going to see, the elite and all the thing. So, this is that this

thing, I said this thing, I'm going to say because it's, it's, it's,

I mean, to say it, do you know, to do you, imagine it's in a bit, put it in a context,

I know, I know, something can be something something beautiful, but I, I,

and I do with much respect, a me I'd be more fear to give me in a

church than to get me in a house in burgada. There's there

There are saints that have a car that's so detailed of suffering, there's a... There's a meme that's how I'm a risa? That's, oh, yeah, because don't you like to get it in the house of the old. And the wayla has a crucifio of

Jesus, the time of real, in the paris, mirandot, and when I was the camera in the that me, my abuelita, it was a cruz,

a madder, enormous, a madder, and I looked at up and I saw the Christ gigante, and I said,

if that's He said on me this night I said I'm here I'm here I'm

no farto imagine the tracos for that it's so pretty much it's so it's too

I'm really when I gave my abelita to the church I was I don't

want to enter because the first you enter when you get a church is a

a man and suffering and and he's and it's exposed there

everyone all he looks and I remember when I said but

why why they they He said, is that he's he's parted very bad and he went, well, the people that

the people who got him, he puttow with him, and he came to say, but I didn't have been

asked, a me no me he said, and me say, cackety, muchuch. So, I mean,

I don't me, because my oldita was of the last that was the person, so

I didn't, and I said, Chal, and I'm, and I'm didn't, and I'm, and I'm,

and I'm, there, there are Christos that the artists, to continue to give that certainty of fallecement in

them, they have inspired in persons without of life, absentes of the example of a Christ

very mysterious in Spain, the Cachorro in Seville that the artiste not was inspired he wanted

in the rostra of that Christ the instant just of the murder and not was able

to find that moment and a day that was trying to to get that effect in the image, it's enter that

they've got to in a rejerta callegera with the life of a hitan a person in Sevilla that's called, and he's called and pede to be

the body, and thanks to that person, he, could, put, cut the, the mirabed,

the rostro of the presence of that Christ. It's a very, very very. It's a,

it's, it's, it's, well, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, The last, we've been in Meida,

where coincid us in the event of PEPO and Lourdes for the persons that know there of the center of Guadalupano, which is one of the sectors most important of Latin America, for the quality of the investigations that are doing of the Manto Guadalupano and of the TILMA in general.

And, well, we, we know, to the personage in 3D that's in the famous Savana Santa of Turin. when when I when I

when I did it I said what I did it this type it's tremendous see how

they're it's incredible it's incredible mode that there is to make those for part of the imagineros

totally fieles to the rasgos that the man of the sabana santa

there the first that the first that he did in Seville was Juan Manuel Miñarro

they're looking his Christos as hallucinants of the Savana Santa

and here artists and Mexican have created this that we we've in Merida

that the that's made with with man wow

no but it's impressive it is impressive but you

know an investigation that much people want hear

hear I'm sure I think there there or fear, because there are people that

if they're put very, very, when they're in their, so, they're like an attack of, the, of, the, of anxiety, and, of, no, I don't see if these people are there for

here, but I would like, me, that is a context before to get us directly with the evidences that we try us, a context, of what is this

phenomenon. Sure, that is it the images that yoran or images soyozantes. We're talking of sculptures,

of statues, normally, of the Virgin Maria, also can be of other santo, crucifical, for example, that the particularity is that exudan or emanan of the eyes normally

a liquid, a liquid, that in some cases, is identified with water, in other contexts, with a substance oleosa, or in the cases more

fifted, with liquid vital, with blood. Some images that, although the people think that the phenomenon, nace in the center of the Church Catholic, not is so. We have in the

epoch classic, the first, the second, that authors, as Plutarcho have these images that have this

people of the Panteon classical, like the Diosa Fortuna, for example. There, there,

two vertientes or two explanations, or more of them that's, that's that's a fraud manifest, that have determined

groups of fieles, because other particularity is that the majority of cases are not in

churches or temples as such, but in the hogares where is where

vener these images and a part of the actual of a culto around of these

houses, that is a fraud with the objective to recoud money or business,

that it's a confusion, because normally these images are realized in different materials, yesso, crystal, and there's a difference at a level of condensation. Is that is it can produce, over all when there's ummeda in the environment, that's put a gotitas minusculeous of water condensated and that then with the change of temperature

they precipitin. It's a phenomenon explicable, natural, So, not it would be a fraud, it would a confusion. Or in the third case, consider that it's a matter of a great rascarous. This is what we can say. The church is totally of the phenomenon. Some very few the cases where

have manifested in form positive. If you have done it, for the contrary, to denunciate frauds that have discovered and that we can see a continuation. And is that there is a question, because the phenomenon that occurs in these images not only is

ver those that there are. There are videos of persons that have made people that have been the grand

majority of these are made of a material like yeso but not they're not they're fichos exactly

exactly yeah I've encountered the long of the years I've done to seement to many

apparitions yeah so in Arboles, it can be a virgin of Guadalupe

and that the part of where it's there's the eyes, it's

to emanar a liquid viscos. So, so there. There are occasions where in

those apparitions in a comal, in a jarro, in a oya,

in what you want, you want, you know, there's a image and then he

has a suboration for call it to to be an opportunity to be images that are of paper Cuchet

a color of some representation of a virgin, not in one in special, and that we can't emaner a liquid rogiso and

that the people immediately says it's that it's the same or when I've been to those virgins

that are emmaninging a liquid rojo, you get an impactate. It is impactant

It's impactant. It's tremendous because we know, as you well, you know, I mentioned, no there's no there's a tube and that's a part

of the eyes and someone with a geringa he's opriminging to be opriminged for that we're not, we've been of posters

or cromos, how it's a paper cuchet or cartulina sulfatada and curiously the part of the eyes,

you see that's a video, and there's a video, and in the middle there's a cartulina, and is emmaning blood. Now, not all, and not always is a studio clinical. Because when you get to an laboratory and says,

I want to analyze this, what is this? No, well, and one begins to explain and say, no, no, no, this can be contaminated, and we can't contaminate all what we can do. In some occasions. And in the majority, simply not he wants to

pay the investigation a through an analysis to determine if this could be

really sound. Now, I've been in others, in churches where it's sure

that the Virgin of the Dolores eman lambs. We know that the representation

of the Virgin of the Dolores is yorand. But, but of a

person, the day, at all hour, we've seen how was coming a

thing that was a Caso in Puebla, yeah some 10 years, that's

viral in all the Republic Mexican, I'm went to the place of the

things, I'm practically every a day, and we put us in a tripe,

looking to the eyes enfocated, to the eyes of the virgin. The people me

accusable and me grittable that I was the representation of the mal because not I'm

in what they were saying that they're a sacrilegue and I say, parence, but if

just I just just just I'm I've been to investigate, the curator, the Mr. Cura, well, well, at the first I was in agreement,

but of a repentant, because there was much people, the people because how it was possible that someone was doing the investigation? What was

what I found? The results. In eight hours that we were doing, no, there no one of the people that

was there, and I said, there's, is you're year. Behanlo. Mere, is dying. And the people, God,

my, Virgencita, help me. And you say, well, it's the normal. But at the moment to reproducied in the video, no, there was nothing. What

happened? So, are the people of the people to see things that no there in that moment. But you

see any representation of the Virgin of the Dolores in any part of the world and has some

but there to that there to that there other liquid that's emanating but what you think

what was what happened? That who was that was the church

because he needed resources for the ampliation of a part or a section

of that so then so we're to garrann to get to here

they never they're they're the people we're the we're the

we're the people but you're the you are you're exists. When I go with the

authorities of the state of Puebla for that they give them their version of the actions, they just they just said, you know, it's the people, we don't know we can't make, and if they're saying that they're in

a, a, one, a, or a lachryma or a lanky of the people, not of us. I said, but then, what is the position of you? That is, that you have to leave a people tranquill and that goce the miracle of the

Virgin of the Dolores. But I said, but No, there's a lot of it. That's also, it's also, because the people think that is a phenomenon catolic, eminently, but also is it amigues in the churches orthodoxas. These churches, that not are sculptures, are images plain, representations

planas, of iconos, what is the church orthodoxa, and occurred a case in the last few years, a sounded and impactant, in a church orthodoxa Greek, of Chicago, where an image of the Virgin Maria in form of icon, in a quadro, had two reguers liquides more oscuros than the rest of the composition pictoric

that they attributed with lachrymas. What is that this church, orthodoxa, Greek, of Chicago, was he-ened-of-fieless, orthodox or no, to photographia this image, coinciding with that was a perturor a concurs of accreedores against this

temple because they were a prestam denegado and they were to clausur for deudas there's

there's a manipulation although in many of the occasions it's said that no

that not is permitted that there a investigation profound for part of the Vatican

is certain and are investigations very rigorous scientific but the

majority of occasions is only in the situation popular for So that we

we're going to these actions that have presented at least in the Republic Mexican where the authorities

ecclesiastic don't see because know that there are things strange but they benefit. That there

things strange but during a certain time, they're they're they're

to get a way, and a way it's correct to because they have the recourse economic for

the ampliation or for the fiesta or for what you do you do you

think that No, it can't be of double moral with one side, saying, oh, no, well, it's the thing of the people. We're not. But for the other side, you're fomentathingolo. And you're not. But I'm here, I differ.

Because, you can't generalize. No, some of those cases. There are confusions. And, in the last case, that we'll see, in the evidence, the last thing has been issued a investigation and she has posted the prudence. I'm not about that case of Puebla.

Okay. Because me kept very clear, But, look, I'll talk to talk to something that me passed with Josue Velasquez, that you

know you know he during a time, I remember if it was ceramic or of the

yeso, no record of what I'm saying, hey, there's a there's a person who

there's and we try them for all the States United and now I'm to go to

me to get to me to give to ask a interview and you want to

take images, I'm just, I'm I'm I'm I'm

to where it had and everything, it's impressive. It's impressive when you're going to be able to the virgin. But I said, oh, but like it's time

very sangrienta? So, so, tan chittita, and chillona? So, so, so, so, so,

so, I said, oh, but you're, and in the other to d'art to give a so much,

so it's, it's a, it's very, it's very. In what the investigation? No. But it was

a virginita that was a or two months or two months in a country, then he'd beinked

another, and then when he'd every time, he's a three, four days in a

area, and then it was like a virgin peregrina. And all they did to call to the conversion

to the citizens that were the United. It was, you're a good, then so,

uh, thanksele to some money, invite more people to can't but it

impactant. It was being a grand a culto, no? So, okay. We're going to analyze

some evidences, but family, I want to say something, we've got to the first part because these evidences that

we're trying to this night, are what you're, they're trying to impactant. Viening the evidences. Uff.

Amigo? That's great. Amigo. A-ver, a bit. Tell us of this phenomenon, for favor.

That's right. Of course. Of the investigations that we're trying for this night. Adelante, Lurdes. Well, we're going to see some images of

Sants that Yoran. As we said, we're going to center in the images soyozant, but not is the only phenomenon paranormal associated to these images religious. We have that also they attribute in other

phenomena like the crecida of the cabellio, because we're saying that in their composition a lot of it's a lot of natural.

We have images, this is over all in the case of the children Jesuses. or a new Jesus, that can't,

they're they're in the place, change of the time, or has

tradition with images of Mexico like the New York, and other many of this type

and we we're going to analyze some cases occurred in Mexico as

in other places of the world of images that have done

in this year. We've we have some evidences, for there you are not going to put.

We'd like, for favor, Hasel, that you know the first evidence of the night, for favor, for favor, for far, to analyze. Well, this what we're

seeing is a house, in concrete, in Chiapas. In the Diocese of Tapachula, this same

year, we've been the phenomenon of a little image of the Virgin, that appeared

supposedly Yorando. This image, as well, as it's seen, it's going to generate a transit of people important to this home, all to find to be that scene of the Virgin

Maria, Yorando. There's to clarify that the Diocese of Tapachula, from the minute one, pied prudencia, because it was an

image that was a place that was a little techito, but no was to the interior of a house as a and there and I have

to manifestar in his moment the diocese of Tapachula that the fecha in that was

the phenomenon because the scurriment of that the water that out of

the virgin did as it was discolored part of the

virgin and she kept like oxidated like as the

like the last were in a month that was of

the most humid and jubiosos of those detected in the last 50 years in Chiapas. For the time, relationed the church,

the form official, the phenomenon of this virgin, not with a fraud or nothing for the style, but possibly with a confusion.

Okay. This is the image. That is the image. Okay, there is, well,

it's like that rojo that's a back. So, like a cumulation. The restos that were

exactly, like an accumulation, so is. Okay, so here the phenomenon is detecto that was a exact, maybe possibly

a confusion, and then it's the opinion that accept those fieles. At the fact, if

something has the mystery, as I like always to know, is that it's a thing that

admit multiple possibilities. It's simply that the diocese of Tapachula well, he said

that could be related to be located this image in the exterior, with a phenomenon of of humidity in this image and these jubias

in the region. Now, it's important this is your last that's the last to mention Lourdes because there is to record that at least in

the Republic Mexican, before that any of this intense of the delinquency organized, sequest,

assaults, violation, et cetera, et cetera, in the places where were more affecteded,

in the Republic Mexican, months before, there was manifestation of virgins, that were

and not only only sang, but also a language, or it was sure about that he

had been a movement, or it was that they had seen to come to come to

or that there's there's, there's there's, but always that there

a crisis is when there a major report or manifestation of these images.

it's a part of that moment then that's that it's a consider that it could be a matter of a miracle whether to be a

advertence could be to trytarse then of an something that's mandating from those other realities

for that we're not we're going this is very important because also at moment

that these messages get from the ambit to the religion impact to millions or

millions of people it's It's very fortissimo. It's a important. Let's go. It's important. Let's go. Here we we have, in concrete, Paco, the that we commented about

of the Iglesia Orthodox Greek of Chicago. As we've been, is an icon, an icon of art Byzantino. In this case, the church orthodoxa not admit the

sacrality of the statues, of the sculptures, it's called idolatria, and for the time, in the churches orthodoxas, we don't have sculptures.

What we have are quadros or icons as this icon of the church orthodoxa greega of Chicago started, well, as as, as well, as we're supposed to yore, is to observe that line more oscurecised than part of the Ojo of the Virgin

was attributed with a miracle that atrajo to this church a million of people that were to photographia or to realize some type of petition to this image

and, over all, the most notary is that coincide with a process difficult at a level economic of this place of cult. They were soliciting a credit, a credit that was denigated, they were in problems economic, and it's interpreted with two vertients. One, a mentira piadosa to generate the money necessary to maintain the temple, another that really was a miracle and the Virgin Jorouro for the conditions of this temple and, well,

for the lack of help of a level bank, for that an institution of this type spiritual could get to be the rastro of the supposed lagrima. When it's that, for example, in this case, the people, in their majority, accept the, the fact or miracle-so, or then, then, then,

to do you know what he says johannam now could say more because he is that he has seen in situ images plan as that supposedly have year ago like this

could appear that in the plenno single 21 and with the rationalism that's impone in our society any whatever would be and

say it's possible there we're we're seeing some of the people who are those fieles that are to photographia

but I would be to say Paco that more of the 90% of the people, no put in doubt, and niga

this actual and is like a symptom of the necessity of the need to believe in our world.

Johan, no, I see. See, it's a phenomenon that impactant and,

and from the moment that appears in a church, or appears in the call or

appears in some in some a place that we could consider that is

private and that in a house, this immediately it's called and convocation a milliones of people. Why? One, for the morbo and two, because it's sure that if one

is close of those labrines, of that liquid that's out of being, can be overer a miracle for the health of the person that he's to-tok- Okay. In the year 2006

in the city of Mexico, began to appear an can't impression of virgins

in diversas alcalities in the 2006 I've the opportunity to give

to give the moment to the majority and I did count that

it was kind of the people that they came the same people

they were they were to the people and they said they're saying look

they're saying here and this look the images of the

people the people had veleders, but at the minutes, there were veleders to one side of that representation of the Virgin, and in many of the occasions I said, the people, is that I was going

passing and appeared, I saw, I saw, and when it was there, the Virgin. And at the moment that one was acercable, or that I me waser to take a little bit to make, the people no me left. The people me wanted to lynch

because they said how it was possible that I don't credier in the power and the manifestation of the Virgin of Guadalupe that was, that

had left impregnated there. And I said, but why here? And the people me said, 2006,

not was, not was so the delinquency as actual. I'm going to 224. And in the 2006,

me said the people, because there many many assaults, because there many extorsions.

There had been the And they said, Incrementated here in this place in this colony,

there are many people who have been seen and for so the Virgin came to give us a seal,

to give us the time to that soon these problems are going to terminate. But, but while

not me didn't talk la, wow. No, me to get me to get me,

it, it's, it's, he had been, he had been a particular,

in special that was that was not the attention. No, I know why not I could, but from the way, but from the

people have created these representations to tranquillize to the people of the problems that are living in those moments. That's great,

that's this image that we're seeing already, we can tell the context? Fifate, my,

that is the ultimate and more important occurred here in Mexico. This has been this verano.

It has occurred this in the colony obrera of Morelia Michoacan. In a house

particular, a family has detected that the Virgin of Guadalupe that they have

in their domicilio began to a surstance that a priori was

the case was viral in the social and got hundreds of

people to this home and just he did so

he did do dicasterio for the doctrine of the faith in the Vatican, of how they were they to confronts over-naturales in the seno of the church, a document in which affirmed that not they were to pronounce positively over in any

case, this type, only, on the reverse, negatively if they'd discoverian some fact fraudulent. That made that many periodicals titular, in the first case that they've been to analyze

the church, despite of its new parameters of medition of phenomena paranormal. And has been polemic because the parroco, the sacerdote of this area of the colony obrera of Morelia in Michoacan, mando to analyze mues of the blood and gave to know the results, and the media's of communication, and it was

a manna. What? It's a manna, the parroco of this colony of Morelia. They said even two types of blood, said a. B, that it's the type of

the type of that's in the sabana Santa of Turin and other reliquies like the paulon

of Obedo. And the last thing we know if it's because they're because they

said, this is an appreciation me, but to start about the father-cito and to

say to all the people, that the second pass was that they were

that they were to analyze the types of of all the members of that house to see if there was coincidency with the detected in the image and, for the time,

quitter the measure the possibility of fraud and that if there was relation or no, the next step is that they were to extract or extract a DNA of that same thing that is over the rostro of the Virgin to determine if coincidia with some member of the

from the home. From, no, no, I've got on Google to be if it

appears a not new about not not about if it's if it's about

or if it's all parted because are some a grand dispendio economic, but

has been the last two, twenty-four in in Mexico. putting the blood that this

has been the people the people the people is a parturban when I'm many of

many comments of people that say I think I'm I'm going to I'm it's impact

it's impactant it's very very a very a me me impression much

that that is that is this image here? Here we we're the case

of image soyozante most known of the world is the Virgin of

Aquita in Japan and it's an apparition Marianna that was produced in the years 70 in Japan.

We're talking of a person, a religious, that was very bad of health, that for sure has fellecided this year,

the principal bidente of Aquita, a person that was premature, that had many many

problems of health, that even in part of his life was sorda, no he was

a day took a vision and this image that we're seeing that this

image, he had information about the penitentia, he gave information about the

importance of the Rosario, and, according she cured for complete the sordera

that I had to this case was viral in the years 70 in Japan, the

Virgin of Aquita, and why is the image soyozante most important,

because the television Japanese Japanese was on one of the

Joros of the Virgin of Aquita. Not only Yorava, but that also manifestable the evidente,

the religious that had she had stigmas and that the Arvirgen also he appeared

lines of blood in the hands. It was very polemic because there were religious

of the community that said it could have been done with a pluma

or with a with a cutilla but it's really and there

we we're seeing another image that this was

transmitted totally in-vivo because were more than 100 lacrimations of the Virgin of Our Lady, of Our Sheena, and some of them completely in

live in the television Japanese, as we're seeing in the years 70, so they produce in these years 80, the authorities

religious, Catholic, of Aquita said that there was over-natural in the phenomenon.

No, no, I have a question for you? In the majority of the best of this

phenomenon of virgins, of images that you're gonna, images that is crease cabello or be what's in the final

of the investigation really a mystery a mystery a mystery or in the majority a a response

logica confusa as well the well mentioned in the majority there is

an explanation an explanation some many times tendent to the fraudes, over all, if not we're not talking of temples as well, but of hogares particular,

where, of the nada, surge this, and they start to accept donations to the people who get to see a image, and in the majority, immense majority of cases, confusion.

We have the part, as we've said, of that phenomenon scientific, known as the condensation, perfectly-explicable, that could

give us to understand why that's a substance liquid in the eyes of these images and also confusions there's a

there's a case super-connocid in the India of a known-esteptic rationalist a man who has been president of the Association

of Rationalism of the India that has two years auto-exiliated in Finlandia because there's an

image of a image religious in the India, that began to supurar water at the feet. The people

began to talk the feet of this image with the objective to get some for their health. Even they'd

of the water that emanable of this image in the India. And he investigating discovered

that it was a carneria rota that was that was doing this phenomenon

and was denunciated because in the Code Penal of the India exists a condemn against the persons that are the religiousity of others and he

he marched before that they were detubier to Finlandia and from there still denunciating this type of so.

So, from my point of the majority of cases confusions. There are some cases over-naturales yes, the

men, and they're to be with where where it's surge all, those powers

of our mind and that there are people of that through that religiousity extreme,

interactual with objects inanimated, dot them to do that movement or even to make

that's that's that's the power of the fact, I think that

actually, it's very natural when many people are in common accord

to manifestar, it's like when much people is like when much people

and occur in the Milagros, so are unying the intentions of many people and it's having the effect magical milagroo over the person

that want to cure, sanar, liberate, and a lot of situations. There's, there's another image or is the ultimate?

This is another scene of our senior of Aquita, of those that were transmitted as, as said completely

in-vibo in the television Japanese and that is considered as the image soyozante more important

of the world. In this case, the church certified the supernaturality. In others is that has mojado

and has said, clearly are false. It has occurred in two occasions. The first

of the two in the year 2002, let's give in your moment. In the

year 2002, a image of St. Pietre, the Padre Pio, one of

the saints that most phenomena paranormal is he attributed for his stigmas, for your precognition,

well, a supposed statue of Padre Pio in Messina in Italy commenced to sangrar. The church examined the liquid and detected that was a person, said, a woman. And they said that, for the time, was it was a fraud. In the same year 2002, a virgin that, also,

was also, of an hogar particular in Australia, a woman that was sure that was an image of the Virgin that had acquired in the city of Bangkok during a voyage, the image suja began to expulsar a through the eyes a substance oleosa,

well, aseite, that olia a rosas, and the house of this woman in Australia was a full of hundreds of persons. It was an analysis of the substance, and it was determined that was a mixture

of the of the vegetable of the that's used to cook in the

home with essence of roses are two cases that

was that was that the only the one

the most known that the the that is the thing

is the we see on the we're seeing impression

the image the effect of how the the

the the for all the mejia, to the menton, to the mandibula. It's incredible when you're in front of these

images, yeah, that eman the same or a legrimed or a lot of, a effect real.

So, it's that you do it, to be real, who knows, for that it's important to do the investigation.

But in many of the occasions, as you mentioned in minutes after, not always is a

investigation clear, contundent, and transparent. Because in many of the occasions when it's a

fact that's a fraud, not always it's a moment, but while you just a million to

people who going to get to a place, because the majority of those people what are they

are a miracle for some problem that they akeja. So, it's there when you

you do you do you want to the people want to want to that liquid that's

emmaning and much many times not it's that's the liquid and at the more

it perjudic Even, if I'm even, Paco Johan, Auditorio, has created advocations Marianas a part of these secretions. In Brazil, there is a case impressionant, that is the of Our Mael. It's an image of the Virgin that exud,

a substance that, a prior, and you the best, and it's a substance that is a very, that is resinosa. So, then, also, the phenomenon of the phenomenon, There are people that want to see forms in that resin and see that has formed other images religious. And in this case, they say it's a dulcest and that the

Virgin would be exudating meal. No, me care. It's with respect, but it's our senior of the meal. And they're saying that meal not is analyzed scientifically, of any other abeja known for the science, and, well, has

done a new vocation, Marianna in Brazil. Well, but you have to have much careful, right, I mentionable Lourdes of this investigator of the India. In Mexico, in the year 2007, what I was in the 2006. In the year

2007, there was an apparition in the Colonia Atlanta that in the city of Mexico. And, well, so, they're going to the news of communication, It was all a rolloo,

it was all the television, get on millions of people. I was the day next I went, and it was incredible to get to the argo. But me colled until, and the people was formed because

of that arbor was formed to the virgin, and in the part of the head of the image of the virgin, I was emanating a liquid that

was out of the coroner and he was to the area of the eyes and it was trying to and it was tremendous.

And the The issue was that it was a liquid that the people were unted where he dolea something, I see, and nobody me let's talk about the cabicita of the Virgin, and that liquid that was that he kept in the deados, it was untable to all the other.

A me, me, me, me, I'm interviewing to some moment, to many people, and said, what is what is it, is a manned, it's a miracle, so, so it's a liquid, and then that's the liquid, I'm put here where I'm a lot of it. I, I, I'm going to put it in the

cadera, and in the rodia, here, all But all the people to look to that. You think that that could be the effect placebo? Yes,

yes, but you know, but you know, what was what what happened at the final that was the filtration

of the caneria in... Ah, okay, so the people that were that were on titheches

humans. Yes, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was... Imagine the

people that the people that took to, no, no, when it was, when it

to know the result, the people yeah no said, but the problem not was the arbor. The problem was that the

people did an interpretation that no had to give to something that had appeared to be there and that they not

were the people, but the people immediately went in a book of a little of a

miracle. That's a time we we've done a episode with Lourdes we talked about

exactly about this of the people who they're they're they're all which, as well, as they're

seeing, no, no, no, no, no, they're in their mind, a little bit, a investigation, to be more possibilities. No, no, no, no, it's that's what I'm, no, no, I don't know, oh, God, I'm going to say something, I'm going to say, but I'll

say, let me say. A bit, right now, that's, that has, that's, that's, that in a procession, or pre-igration, pardon, I'm a woman, I'm going to derama in the, in the blusa, and it's formed a image.

Like the Virgin. Exactly. And, pardon me, I rio, but I go, so, the little bit of it, so, the little bit of the and then it's a circle of the and he says,

look, the miracle. And the sacerd says, yes, it's very common that pass in this type of things in these feces. Well. And you say, but

look, I think that you have to be very conscientious of that this can be something could be something for the

people because maybe can find a solution to your problem but not

always occur that's there's to have much careful because

there there are much people that there there are many

other other vitales that they're going to make a

benefit in all the things and all the aspects.

See for here a user says they say

they they're those phenomena are demonious that are in the

multitude and that's idolatry. For here we're putting. We're going with the

evidence. We're going the evidence of the night. For favor, we'll

see here the video that we've been that we've been parted. Well, this video,

Paco, is a church that's in the center of Bogota. It's

a church. Yeah, but if is a voice Hasel of Lourdes? In the transmission?

Ah. Ah, well, it's a iglesia, the of San Francisco, where the periodist Tanya, that they're in in reds like Tanya, me,

a grand amiga our name our name of a Christ paranormal. We've got access, it's incredible because that's nobody

in Bogotah knows of this, because no permit in grab, but well, well, as I did,

I did permise, and me said, that if it was about 10 seconds so you could take it. You're going to be a Christ of a small

called the Lord of the Agonia that the tradition that's sure that it came in the 16, Procedent

of Spain that would be elaborated with the cabello that has the Christ and that

they've been to get to cut because he gets to the you know you know

what is the impactant Paco there we we're going to be there no

there's images internet because no permit them as well to grab it. There I put to that image of the circle. It's very little, and the cabello large and the padrecito of this

church of San Francisco, the most young, they say that this is a legend urban, but the theme is that there are declarations of

after decades of the sacerdotes of this temple, that is that they support the legend urban and they're

that every certain time they have to cuter the pelo to this Christ. There's a little. There's a little. It's a little. And in that occasion that we're in Colombia, we're going to to that place, that church. And, well,

one thinks that is the time, so, like, natural or grand. No, it's a thing that's a little bit. But very contundant, we've seen a much of people that came to a little, to give a good, or to to ask a miracle, because they're a Christ super milagroo, and all the people look,

all the people know, and not is permitted that you take a photo, a video. What you're seeing is because Lourdes is a circle with the people of the

people of the vigilantes, and they said, Tommelow rapid, and we're we do not. Fuerrown, me said, I mean, I'm going

to give, and take two seconds for that you you have the evidence, but it's super miracle. The people go for the miracle but this legend that we've told that that he crece the no, all the people know.

Since I was up to the radio social, me has written infinity of persons that no could understand that no would have seen more material in the reds over it. And is that, well, it's been very hidden, very chiquitito, and poca people have been

filmed for the networks and we'd have made much illusion present to here this evidence of a a tally real that at the Fecha, well, it's demuestre

that not only are the virgins that you're not, but there's there's where they're

these dotes paranormal as the cabello human that is impressive. It's impressive. It's very, very,

impressive. Yes, but, look, in many of the occasions when we get to

the when we get to some recinto where there a thing, we're

we're doing that the images are very tetricas. Yes, is what you were to say,

I'm the No, it's of, well, it's that I don't want to be irrespectuos, but for making a comparative, a, one a muke of Barbie of this time, so, so, so, so, so, it's, is the Christ.

But I tell you that in many of the occasions are like images tethricas, images that one those see, and really you get the attention and you can't espantar. With this,

is real, it's authentic. Yes. Because, I'm not I'm not I'm going to the respect but when

the people not are in these things if you get a and you get to this I'm going to this is a very dense.

It's like the Christo that he'll talk about it. So, so, so, if you apart,

I go that the people are coming into a church, and you don't, practicating

there's a type of magic into a place where supposedly the magic not not is

that you're what on no? And there there are images that are special. We know that the art

is a vehicle of emotion and to change the world importantism. Yeah, either music or painting, well, you transmit to those other realities, and

for that the art has been a vehicle that important used by the religions. In this case, the Christos, as much more have this essence

mysterious, more are to attract and the Christos Negros, neither I've could study Christes

like the Christo Negro of Cacere's in Spain that is impressive that

has a negative if me it's because it was the

Christo that were those that were the St.

Inquisition before of his terrible final. The legend

in Caceres says that no there's never never

to this Christ because is very powerful and

I took contact with Alonso, the director, the responsible of the coffradia of the Christ Negro in Caceres, and me said, how they were the people that in Semana Santa have to talk the Christ,

levantar, from where is placed in the center of Cascco historic of Cacres, to be able to carry it. How is that's a superstition of that you can pass something bad or if you talk or you, they're prepared spiritually, ayunando, with some exercises

very claves before to talk to start protected and that not there's and how have gotten people who

have been the Christ have been crucified really crucifical really to and the authorities

have been there's there's a question I know who I'd like to respond says

they think that the hostias sangienta are technology biologic extraterrestre

or have another relation? Ostias-sangrantes, as a, as it would have to mention it. No, no, there's no, no,

with any intelligence extraterrestrial, no, but, yes, of those other realities. Look, in the Republic Mexican,

there's the apparition of various hostias that have sangrated and that have done done studies,

and it has resulted that is angry human. Wow. It's a phenomenon incredible,

incredible, that not has done to know how it's in Tixla Guerrero

in a place where exists one of the legends that I have known of the

apparition of the women overnaturals the famous Sywatatayota the Cigwatatayota

is a woman very beautiful that who invited to the women

to have to have relationships and when when you were in the

Coit simply she those despadazaba, according to the history. I remember much to the Siguanaava, the Mastas I...

It's exactly the same. Just the name. But, but so it's the legend in Tixla that in the Palacio Municipal

there is a little a picture dedicated to the Sivuatatayota. Well, in that context appears

a hostia that's anger, a hostia that was analyzed by part of the the authorities

authorities religiouses in Mexico and then was envied the investigation to the Vatican

for that the credit corresponding and well just there is the the issue and then

the city of Mexico we have the most known that is there in the

alcalia Venustian Carranza where well is a one is a one

a church now dedicated to the obstia sangrante and well in Mexico

there there Apostle, approved by the church, and the case of the Ostia Sangrante of the City of Mexico, no approbada, and in fact, even

going to the carcels, to the Padre Camargo, which is the father that is the leader. That is a thing that, and I did it in some moment with Antonio,

Antonio Samudio, that also that also said that there was that there was an investigation, where was the liquid component,

of the supposed Sangre. Johananin has the actas, the have yet in the bibliotheca reales with the certifications. There were to six

laboratories different of the city of Mexico that they were in all he gave the same one and in

that one was the that was the church to say that a this not is

this not real now when one when one go and when one When I've asked or we've solicited interviews with the people

of there, of that church, well, they've got to do a mechanism for that they're just they press an button and, and, that, like,

casco protector, for you to call it to some way, and the hostia is in vidrio blinded, because they've tried to robarla.

So, imagine to, you know, for having video blinded protecting the hostia is,

it's, it's, it's, it's other level. And at the

the church, you're going part of the studies that they

have done, how the microscopy see the the

elements that and it's a study very profound that I every

that I go, and they're like books, but they're

all the evidence scientific and they rechasso. In this case, Juan Pablo II, never gave access

to the Padre Camargo for that could expone all what implicated. Well, and there is a division of the church of the church for part of this church, the members of

that church, and it's created as a ram of the church a different. So, a part of that moment, they said,

well, we did the elements necessary for that we don't we'll we'll come in account. But the

phenomenon is there. Okay. And one a year, recorre the callies of the Alcaldia Venustian Carranza, that is in Semana Santa. But because

that, that necessity, to negar the phenomenon of the ostea sangrante? Because, having six studies, of those which

you're, you know, you get to, the, you're, exactly. Of the six, you're saying that is the

thing is the real, and the church is aggra of the thing, so, because that that's, well,

that's, what does, the of form official is that not want to substitute the cult official and the reality of the church

for the idolatria. Is that is not they want more importance to the things that are around the church, of the

church, they think that the important is the message of Jesus. No, they're not

that's disvirtue that message and in all moment they say that if Jesus did

some that is for that the people create and be a that all this is real

but that not is the important. Of each they're in this document

about how they're to how they're to they're we're we're

we're in the spirit santo and that the spirit santo

so can manifest to but there but not we

want to say more more more more more more

more more more I'm like I'm going to put

a consp too it's like they they're like

and he'll very zealosomely because it's it's a no, I think I think

at the moment that that appears an object that they can't do they're so Lourdes

he said very, very, very, very, very subtle, very beautiful, no? Yeah,

this is a business, it's a business, and more than what you do you can say. I'm not

I'm sorry to talk about that time. No, I don't want to express to

that way. You know, you can't see so. I'm going to with that the Vatican also is a state, has a bank,

the Papa is a chief political of a country, have a service secret of espionage,

official and contra espionage. I'm in agree with all that but I am very respectuosa

with the part of the faith and we know, and you, we're better that nobody

is, that the over- naturality is the other thing is the part of the groups of

because in concrete, pardon, with this termin, the images soyozantes, where she has done a business primarily, not have been

in the churches, have been in cases, have been in those images. I think when a parision of these,

that you're, no, you know, it, make, do you, make a, make a malabres,

help, maybe to recover the confidence and the faith of the people, a little and it

can serve but we know we know that in the majority of occasions only

will serve to serve a few people under a particular an interest economic

and that the only that is create a confusion tremendous in the people

that really really that's that but that what they do you see

in the phenomena now we are we're talking of the center or at

the center of the This is this is the same is presenting in other areas. Phenomenes Paranormals, in the theme of the Omnis, this,

okay, so we know, then we're just a phenomenon that's a, depending, from what place and from what point,

from what perspective you go ahead. You put an example very clear. If Lourdes, that's, that's all this of the phenomena

of the things inexplicable, to you, that you do the phenomena paranormal, and I'm that I guess

the theme of the omnis, if we're present an image here in these moments Lourdes will have to have your word, you're going to have your

argument and your truth and I'm going to do exactly the same. Three points of different. Three points of different. Three points of view distinct over a new phenomenon. Every one of us will have to have their own reality

but the phenomenon is there. More than what we we can't say a favor or in contra, the phenomenon is is a phenomenon is starting. The phenomenon is is generating an interest in the society. That's

That's the phenomenon that, that's a lot of people that say, is that between all, I don't know, I know I don't know, because some millions of people in the world that are not creen,

and every time are saying more of the religions. But there are millions that are there but if there an object that you will

help then, to reforce your faith, but also there will be that that is the object that is the fact, ah, it's the

comprobation of that all is a matter. Exactly. It's all depends on how you can, we're going to

put it to put it to an example clarissimo. Pardon, if I'm that, before you a comment that you

didn't, that you are going to do you know, that Johnon will be in the

cell this night? No. For nothing, we we're

sanamente as the way that they put in Laura. Let's see,

this example is clear super graphic. The church if we could

if I would admit to all diestro and all the

phenomena and no it's doing, okay? Now, if of the church

said, this this is, this no, this is and it has been

that this has has been and it has scientifically and it's false

you you have a problem, it is like a Paco he

tryen a lot of things and and Paco

said this this no this no the responsibility that that's

that Johananin'le, the called Piedras Terrestra, and Johan, and says, this, this, no. It's a theme more serious, the way because we're talking of a thing that, if

not you know you can't pronounce all 100%. When we talk of mystery, no exists the black or the black or the

black, it's there's an scale of grises, where all the respectuosam about, but if it's a

mystery is because it's from the point of this society and of this time and of this moment historical and not

we can't pronounce with security and then keep us and the investigations that are

part of the Vatican are very profound and are investigations that can start to two years

to give a verdict or not not it not is that they say this is

authentic or no the Vatican is very very very very

can pass a two years they they're they they're

they're that that's that's It's the institution most Antigua of the planet. But that not so but that's,

but that's, even even even, even even, even, even, even as in a theme of exorcism,

for that they do it in a visceral and it's, man, it's a super mega process. Yeah,

a process that I think it's more easy that God's a question. Now, for sure, in the

case of Lourdes that I've talked with Vindens and what we know we know of Vindens

that have to the Seno of the Church Catholic, we know that those blocker, those quartan, those amazes, in some occasions

those goate for that not they're not to say, that simply that's a very that that not

that doesn't that you know, I'm going to give a spoiler of what I talked to last a rathes

that's a ratito that we've talked about about the case of grabandal how it

was a fact and a phenomenon that visible of many people did they did prove,

the children, the ones put in a problem, they're in et cetera,

et cetera, but as it was something that the church said, no, they're to be able to

a moment to say, to say, to neg it. To negate it. Very very, very simple.

Because, look, this is very simple, and we see what what is what you're going,

when you start, when you're a example, I'm going to put a example, in a

place, in a place where it can't be able, can't be children, little,

what you want you or people and adults. And that in those messages

is a congregating a 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 persons, and of a repent

all of control. And the message is that we have to have to care

of the church. Because in a future, the same people that's to be a

interior he's provoking a severe chaos. Since what you going to

say, this this is an attack to the church for the And so, we have to cut it, we're going, we're going, we're going to, we're going to

let's go back. No, there's to confront the things. Now, the baticinions that manned, from those other realities of the Church Catholic are very very important. And curiously, coincide or has coincided with many of the actions that has put to manifest the corruption that exists

to the interior of the church. Because if it exists. Because if it is. No, it's not. It's, so, it's all. If it, but also, there's a investigation profound. I've had the opportunity to

talk with testigos of miracles approved by the church and know the process that's first a

level of diocese. In the parroquia where has produced the event, for example, the most impactant and

the strong miracle of the arro of Olivenza that that's in the

post-girra Spanish where, well, in one of the moments where in

Spain really, that no had nothing to eat so practically the people eat a yeah,

it's not nothing more and we're so we're not like no there was a yeah

it was terrible and what me my people who my people were

terrible and in this municipality of olivensa determined people

people and they're they're all they're they they're

they're to all recopilar the food, recoudal and the cociner

of the home Leandra Rebojo no had a lot of to put

to fire and he said well well even even that

this a person and and and that time

in the water in that episode that in the story

of my country Leander she was a be

a but that did his life ecclesiastica in per

of each, his restos are in Lima, San Juan Macias. In those moments was Beato and it's characterizing

for the relation that was with the people of Lima, that he was all

days with his cest that I could photographia that in our times

in our business, and the insolita experience, that that cesta always

had food for all those poor. And Leandra put the taza

of a roth and And look, and up, and he says to San Juan Macias, ay, be ato, today, those poor, without food. And he's going to barren and limpire, and when regressa, the oya was about rebossing of arroft, in a quantity that was overbordering for complete.

They're going to advise to the sacerdote, and during more of four hours, Paco, that oya no deja to broodar arroft. It has to go transvasing to different containers and to call it the poor. And when there was eaten the last poor of the municipality, the sacerdote, he said, "'Aftertow the oya of the fire and ced the miracle.'

"'Well, the miracle of the peces, no?' "'I mean, I've been able to talk "'with the children, testigos, "'that were present in that miracle, "'that they'd like when it wasiaced "'theirotabotabond, the granes of arrocer, of the fond

that they've provided the arroft and me assured that

was delicious when Leander never renovable the water

and put the and that was a investigation super

profound of the Vatican where they were the

not in Italy and in institutions scientific Spanish

in in concrete who who know my country

in the area the of rice were completely natural. No, there was an explication scientific for that. And the church is the only miracle recent, approved of multiplication of the animals,

approved of form official, that led to the canonization to this Santa of Lima, San Juan Macias. So, I've interviewed to the testigo. I know that the miracles occur in our

world every day, and that in occasions, like this, and I can do with con-conneciment of cause, there's a investigation super-profunda at different

levels. Yes, as you, as they're going to be going to be going to be going to do

a investigation profound and at a level scientific and with the people. No, they're going to

any, and I think that's a lot of much for that this is the people know,

and not be made, for those people, we're we've done to come who always

always this, look at this because was taken to this because

it's get this that me I got out of a church and say you know

don't don't it's to get to get to get those levels no

I think and I want to mention the those miracles always

have existed and continue and that we not

don't put attention to that that we we're

we're we're that in much parts of the world

every many there more people there are people

have they have the cabello. And if we don't put attention to that, then no see what we need to occur, for that we

understand that there are other realities that are very al-pendient of us, and the only that we are that we're doing, and get us to other levels of conscience. That practically is the message, no, that all the time are these entities that

us accompany, or that coexistence together with us a crescent spiritual, what happened with Jesus Christ and we the person

that marked the history and that there's much mystery that is going to be able to be surprised

about this thing. Perfect. That family family we're getting to the final of this in-vibo

oh, that's tremendous. That tremendous. That's tremendous if of we were that we said we're

that we're the comments the others don't be to let the commentaries, how are you? That this night, that's pretexting

you're getting, you're getting, you're asking posals, oh, yeah, yeah, we're going to,

we're going to be that we're going to those antros here, or the way, we'll change the format, and we're going to, it's that is that the rogo

is when it's the tense, the, oh, okay, the, yeah, yeah, the, okay,

and, and, and, and, yeah, and, places when one gets and there are the objects

of power. Objects that you see you know is and you see an energy tremendous. A me occurred in Turkey in a museum very important. How is called? The Palacio Tocapi. Well, there enter one to the

sala of the reliquas and you're to find the baston of Moises. The baston of Moses. The basto, the carolos. That's So you get. The first that you're going to see of the side left

entering to that cell is the baston of Moises look I don't

know I'm and nobody of those that we knew that was that was that that object

there but really you know something you say wow or when we're

in Turkey in Turkey there are many reliquies of the church in one

of the pillars where they were they started to start. You

do you and really there's a idea. I don't know how I'm able to explain,

but you see how it's a little your body, there's a thing, there's something,

although not you know the history, because much people say, ah,

well, is that you know, you know, you know, you're you're, you're,

you're doing, you know, I don't know, no, and the other.

Okay. But at moment that you're in your body you're

I think I think the energy of the people that makes it's it's

it's it's it's that the people that's that really they're really

they're they're an energy very because in the pillar was an

object that was or that was took or for Jesus for the

master so so so and the other that for Moises

and and look that I I did know of a phenomenon

very, very bizarre. While the people of the world be yeah these objects like,

if you see, you see, you see, that you don't give a major importance,

we know, we know, that the people of America we gave a importance very

to that a baston of Moises. And, but for them is important. Well,

it's that marked the I think this is something that comes, and it's something that many record us. There are movies that

that are the ten mandations. The ten mandations. I, every, every, every, every, every,

I prefer, I prefer to, I prefer, I prefer to be the code da Vinci. But you know, that's the

way, the passion of Christ, part of two. Ah, so, oh, is really, that is a, that is a,

that is a, that is a, the first, the first, the first, it was, a, one itto

into the cinema, and that he he, he, he he, he left marked to the protagonist of what he

he was a barrabas. When he saw he was when he was that he was the actor? Sure,

he was like transfigurated he knew that was an apparition. It's that I think now, I think

this of the, of the movie, if you're that not have seen, you've been not, they

have seen, it's impactant no, what he see, sangrienta, no. what he

also. But you a message very chido. A message of how a person that has

said, came, he was with us, he was over us and he and that's many,

that there are many things tremendous, yes, but that they did it a goldpisa that

after the two thousand years no, it's not been important. But the

message is there is very clear, very profound. And Iha really regressaramos

to that origin where is the love, is the peace, there's the union, and that now we've

we're going with the messages that get to the people that are, that are the people

that are people that are in the world of the other realities that always has

been the same message. We don't we have that capacity to understand that the

message is implicit in our life No, we don't we look at, no we'll look at, no we'll we'll look at, and not we'll take into into. A message of love, of hope, of faith,

something bad. And I always I've said, there's a little of divinidad in us. Sure. It's one of the main mainzance of the Iglesia Primitiva, of the Christianism noxical, that is that we're in that chispa divina. Exactly. And with respect to the The theme that we've

tried today of the images soyo-santes although there are many cases

explainable. I'm I'm asked that the image there's that

the thing is the of our Sheena of Aquita for

the most for the authorities of Japan is that was certified

the sub-natural and it's for that the image

soyoz until the fact more important for some

more of some of them in vivo in television. Also, I'm asked, like Johan,

that if I've seen something strange, and I'm the more first I'm in my case was sent me

a cup that is considered as the Santa Greal. It's the called Calid of Doña

Urraca. It's in Leone Spain. It's a whole investigation impressive

that put over the table that that was a country Santa, Hego, then, to Egypt and, posteriorly to the Peninsula Iberica,

and that, well, is it datated at a level scientific in a epoch contemporary to Jesus. A historian, in a investigation completely scientific, pusses over the mesa the passes that that the object had been done and he was related to totally with Jesus. And when this news is alt-a-the-prensa, I took the university, with this investigator, Margarita Torres, to start

of night, a solace with that Copa. In the colegiata of San Isidoro of Leone, and not I'll forget I in my life, and no I'll forget what I

feel, at being a solas with that copa. I'm not sensitive, and Margarita, the scientific, and I,

we, we, we're both on the floor, and we're very important. The energy. Look,

to me a me passed something very very in Lima Peru

with the insolite experience or the Routes insolitas we're in the Peru and

well it came it was a day that for a little something that was

never but it was they were to us and they gave the

recorried us the tour and and I did I'm

a one side of where they're interrados Santa Rosa No, no, no, the the, the,

the, the, St. Martin de Porre. So, I'm going. Pardon, Disculpe, you know. So, then there's

the lapida, and here are the rest of this saint. I've been I've seen, my abelita, me about much

of that was the gats and that the cats and the animals and this, no. But one

thing is yeah when you're there, when you when you does count the

importance that you have to have a normal and the being I'm

there there, I feel a pass a a tranquillity that this is

incredible to me me I'm really I'm really and now

that you have done the recreation 3D a through studies

peric and etc that we know if we know if we have

the rostro precise of how is this santo. But at the moment that's, at the moment that one can't be able to be able to be able to because there's a cantia impressionante of people in that place, it's

a vibra very distinct. Okay. A vibra that you a reflection, a life or a vibra that says, how was possible that a man could be

to sanar a person, to bevent, to be in two places at the and he says, chalel, I mean, well,

he's a much work this man, no, this is a but they're of those these lives

exemplary that are there, that we have to know if we have to know

and to know those cities, because always we're to serve to reforce our faith

or for to plan to be to another thing in that aspect, no.

So, but I I'm the point, the message of

the santo, of all the virgins, always will be the love. Always. The message primordial, that we've received, we'll have a moment, the message that gave the master, and the energy that emanan those objects, I think is something ineguble. You're, that has been

present, before you, see that energy, no? How, the contact with your energy of you, it's? Canbias the perception and the moment, no? In the mind, it's a lot, that you that's

a lot of much peace tranquillity and I think it's with what we

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us retomemes and get us to that origin where not me can't to mention. Pace, union,

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some recommendations family. We'll see tomorrow for that you can be, for that can enjoy

to this in-vibo not from from their from your work, don't you because I

say one that I'm going to Tomorrow will be available. Thanks to all those who came

with us with us a furtabraso. We want them much to all the family of the extra normal

that we come down the family of the family of a night of the night of with Lourdes

Gomes. Thanks for being we're saying we're saying a braus and again thanks to

all. Cureens much family thank you to the next. Bye, bye, bye.

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that I'm going to dream in the cell is I am I know, our family thanks to

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