Extra Dirty with Hallie Batchelder - Coachella makeouts & Bravo behind-the-scenes *ft. Gia Giudice*

Episode Date: April 23, 2026

GIA GIUDICE stops by the bar this week to chat INFLUENCING, REALITY TV, & just a good old fashion girl talk yap sesh. 👯‍♀️ Gia breaks down what it was like growing up in front of the cameras on The Real Housewives of New Jersey, the difficulties of going through family drama through it all, and how she's spread her own reality TV wings on Next Gen NYC. Gia and Hallie girl chat: The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives messiness, Hallie's Coachella makeouts that made headlines, what shoes we're wearing this summer, glam, and more! Enjoy pookies, MUAH! 💋 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

So how old were you when you like started reality TV stuff? I was eight. And were you just like cameras up, like you just weren't worked based by it at all? Like not really. Because when I was younger, my mom constantly had me in acting, modeling, like she was Chris Jenner. No, literally. She was Chris Jenner.

Let's get Extra Dirty. Okay guys, welcome back to Extra Dirty. We have my good friend here, Gia. Judas, yay! Are you happy to be here? I'm so happy. I love your setup. You do?

No, it's sick. Isn't it cute? It's so cute. I feel like I always say this. Just like being behind a bar, I feel like the conversation just flow. It's easy. It's your vibe. So this is like the extra dirty pregame.

So I always ask a guest like, what are we pregaming for? Even if you're not actually drinking. Like, what are we doing after this? I would love to get an apparel spritz after this. No, honestly. The weather. Same. The weather does something in me where like,

I need to be drinking in it. There's so many places around here. No, I know. We should go for a drink. Where do you live without doxing herself? Oh, Jersey City. Jersey City? Yeah, okay.

But I'm, like, very close to, like, I'm very close to West Village, so it's easy. It's just, like, right over a bridge or something. The tunnel. You would think that? Like, I've lived in New York for five years, and I, like, should know, like, my map, like, my way around, but honestly, I have no idea where Brooklyn is and where anything is. Yeah, no. No.

All I knew is that I needed to be. close to like West Village Soho because that's where like all of our work is. Yeah. When did you move here? I moved in November. Okay. And you moved from Jersey. I know you're from Jersey. Yeah. So I'm basically in Northern Jersey. So I live in Montville. Mm-hmm. Really doesn't matter. My address is on Google. So really? Why? It's just scary like that being on reality TV. Your address is on Google. How I always wondered that because they film like the front of your home. Yeah. Oh yeah. People can figure it out pretty quickly. For the longest time, fans always thought that we lived in Franklin Lakes because that was kind of the

narrative when Jersey started. It was like women from Bergen County because Bergen County is like just like known as the wealthier area in Jersey. So everyone always thought, oh, you must live in Franklin Lakes. Yeah. Obviously come to fine now they know that we live in Montville. Yeah, it's pretty scary. Basically any housewife or if your house was on the market at some point if a fan went to your house like your address is probably on the wall. Has anyone like showed up to your house? Thank God. Like no but we've had a couple like fans during like Halloween. So they come and trick or treat. That's kind of crazy. That's like the scariest day for a fan to like wanting to show up to a house unless it's like a little kid trying to trick

or treat. Yeah. It's like a grown adult on Halloween showing up to your house. I would probably Yeah, and a couple times at my old house, they'll ring the gate monitor and just say little things like, oh my gosh, we're such big fans, like yada, yada, yada, but obviously we don't then open the gate. No one has been crazy enough or, yeah, and nothing scary. So how old were you when you, like, started reality TV stuff? I was eight. You were eight? Yeah. That's so young.

That's like your whole childhood. Yeah, seven or eight. Because my youngest sister, Adriana, was born on the show. Yeah. And I was nine when she was born. And my mom had been doing it for a couple years already. Yeah. So pretty much my entire childhood.

And were you just like cameras up? Like you just weren't, weren't faced by it at all. Like, not really. Because when I was younger, my mom constantly had me in acting, modeling. Like she was like Chris Jenner. No, literally. She was Chris Jenner when she had the time. Yeah.

Because when it was just me, she did everything she could for me. Same with all of my sisters, but then obviously when she just kept popping out kids, it was a lot for her to constantly bring me back and forth to New York. Then that's when I signed with an agency and then she was great,

and she would bring me back and forth to New York. But I always wanted to be this little movie star when I was younger. So I loved being in front of the camera. And I just, yeah, I thought it was so much fun. I was always in the dance and gymnastics. So I constantly just loved performing and being on stage. So when the cameras were actually in our house, like, I think, oh, my God, I think me and all my sisters did.

Like, Melania, crazy. Like, I don't even know how she has come up with half of the things that she has ever said on the show. No, like. But it's like when the cameras are on, it's almost like, oh, when company's over, you act bad. That was Melania. No, she was like, she's a moment. I remember, because I obviously, I'm a Bravo fan. Like, I've watched the whole New Jersey.

I've watched all the series. Have you? Yes. Oh my God. And I just remember watching, what was the one episode of Melania where she was, did that song? Like, it was Fetty Wap was involved. Oh, yeah. It was the Melania I Can't Wait to Grow Up song.

And somehow she got Fetty to feature in her. her song and it was such a full circle moment because I actually recently just saw Fetty. It's like making a comeback. Oh, I'm obsessed with him. Yeah. Like fully obsessed with him. Yeah. My obsession came. I don't think it ever went away, but now it's fully back. What year was that 2015? Like 2016. Yeah, 2015, 2016. He was 2016. Yeah. So the fact that this whole 2016 comeback is like a thing and now that he's here, I'm like, wow. But we, I saw him a couple, a month or two ago when he got out and he was he's just the most sweet humble person i've ever met in my life i mean you know he came you know he grew up in patterson which is obviously not the best area

of jersey but i didn't know he was from jersey yeah he's from jersey i did not is that what the connection was that's the connection okay we're bridging jersey's jersey supporting jersey wait I love that. The whole thing with Patterson is my mom and dad and me, we were all, we were all born in Patterson. Yeah. So, you know, on the show, I'm sure you've heard my mom say, I'm from Patterson, bitch. Did you forget? Oh, fuck.

Like, it's just like, yeah, standing on business. Like, we have, like, we have roots. So it's like. Your mom is baller. No, she's so funny. Is there anything that, like, that was filmed on the show in the earlier days or in the more recent days that, like, you wish that like never got captured or on the other side of it like you are so happy that it got captured or both yeah okay loaded question sorry there's a lot of parts of that i guess i'll do both but

what i am so happy that was captured was just growing up like we have at-home videos for life and it's just it's so cute those early scenes of just my sisters and i and you know obviously my mom and my dad, my grandparents, because unfortunately I lost my grandparents, they were so young. And I only have one left, my nana, my dad's mom, but I've lost the rest of my grandparents. So just seeing all of them and just like the family and us making sausage and sauce and there's just so many things, that is what I'm like forever grateful for that the show has given my family. It's like a whole movie that people, like normal people that aren't reality of TV stars make on a normal basis, but it's like an HG and they're capturing every moment.

And it's like... Literally. And it really is a movie. I mean, my mom says it all the time that she truly believes that somebody will make a movie like of her life one day. And I mean, just looking at all of it, the one, I guess, time where I wish maybe cameras weren't rolling was when my family went through the legal situation. But also that situation is what made.

us who we are today. Makes you tangible. Yes. Like real people. You go through real shit every day and like there's conflict, there's heartache, there's loss. Exactly. And pain. I feel like that almost makes you, it separates you from like being on a TV screen.

It makes you like, okay, these are real people. They have real issues like the rest of us. No, exactly. It kind of like separates you from like thinking like, oh, you are above everyone to know we are actually just like everybody else. And that's why my mom always says that because she's just. just like everything that has been documented and like filmed in my life like I really have just gone through so many ups and downs and we all have as a family but it also is nice to see those

moments because there were also really beautiful moments that came out of you know all the legal stuff watching like my mom coming home that I will make me cry oh yeah Hallie I've watched these scenes and I'm right now watching Real House House as in New Jersey for the first time in my life. You've never watched it from the beginning. Never, never. Is there a favorite season or a favorite episode you have thus far? Besides the one of you singing.

I remember that was a moment, girl. You were viral. Waking up in the morning. Stream it, but. Like the early seasons are just the best. Just so much more real and less. So real. I, you know, I would say so.

Yeah. I also would say like just everything about it. Like the technology was not as advanced. You just see their style. It was like the caprice and the big hair. Everything about the early seasons were just it for me. But I would say either season, probably season one and two were like my favorite because it was my sisters and I moving into the house that my dad built us.

And we just felt like princesses. like we are, that's how it was depicted. Like you guys were like princesses in a castle and like daddy's little girls and like, they just gave you everything like you, it was like. Yes. And that's how it was really. Like we, they gave us everything we wanted. Like we were, they're little babies.

And it just like, watching those scenes, I'm like, that is my favorite. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. What do your siblings think of it? Like, do you like of the whole reality TV thing? Do they love it as much as you did or were they kind of like, we all went through our ups and downs. Like there was a time when I was in high school and I was always the person that if my mom asked me to film with her, I did it because also at the end of the day it's her job. And yes,

the real house is in New Jersey is based off of obviously the housewives on the show, but it is based off of your family. Yeah. So when they're doing those at home scenes, they do need you to film with somebody, whether it's your husband or your daughter. And I was always on the show kind of as my mom's like voice of reason and always just gave her advice. I'm like what's to come or anything that she had going on. Extremely well spoken, may I add, but like I remember watching you at like at the age of 17, 16 and you were like such like so well spoken for your age. I don't know if that's like the oldest daughter in you. No, but you were almost like a second mom to see your other siblings and it was really honestly nice to watch. Thank you. Sorry to me in a few back. No, no. Thank you. I mean that all just

came from what happened, honestly. Like, when my mom was away, my dad was an absolute mess. Like, drinking a lot, really just depressed. I mean, it was, he also had lost his dad, like, months, like a couple months before my mom went away. Yeah. So it was just like hit after hit. It was like, like, grains and pores. Yes. It was like, dad passed away. Then they get indicted. Then my mom goes away. Now my dad is obviously like left with taking care of us. Yeah.

He had obviously a lot of help from my mom's parents, his parents, like, well, his mom, like every, like all hands on deck. Like my grandparents were there every single day. But he was a mess. Like he just couldn't wrap his head around the fact that like this has happened to our family. Like he would have never imagined that this. would have happened. And so, yeah, like, it was just rough.

So during that time, I really, like, helped take care of my sisters a lot. It was just, like, Christmas time, you know, because my mom got home right after Christmas, right before Christmas. And, like, I was 15, or 15, 14, and my dad didn't have a license. So he got suspended. So he would just send me in an Uber with the credit card. And I did all the Christmas shopping for everyone. And I had to pretend to be Santa.

Like, you know those little boxes that you could get sent from the North Pole? Yeah. So like I got those from my sisters and just like try to make it as normal as possible. And so that was like kind of my role. And that's why even now it's like as we get older, I try to let that. go of me that like this mom role but it's so hard because I feel like it's so instilled in me that like I still am so protective over my sisters yeah going back to what you asked so yeah like during high school I was dating this guy and he was just not supportive of the show at all

oh yeah I can't even imagine like let's talk about that like your relationships while like also being on camera I feel like that would be like an extremely yeah interesting thing to navigate Yeah, it was crazy. And like, you know, when you're in high school, you're figuring yourself out. Your hormones are going up. It's crazy. Like, you don't know what's going on. So I was very much like, I really like this guy like on the football team. I'm a cheerleader. This is perfect. It's high school. And then, you know, I guess he started seeing how involved this show is in my life and in my family. And he obviously wanted nothing to do with it. I didn't really care. I was like, okay, cool.

me, I'm just like with my family. Like, this is what I'm doing. Yeah. But he had a very good way of, you know, kind of persuading me to like veer off from the show and even Instagram, you know, like I always think back to like my high school years. I'm like, wow. He probably, like, really maybe like set me back a little bit.

He's trying to put you down a little bit. Yeah. I'm like, maybe I would have reached a million followers sooner. He was jealous? 100%. I mean, and also like kind of. controlling protective. You know, like I don't want her to blow up. I want her to like be mine. Yeah, I don't want more eyes under her. Yes. Because she's mine and like more just people looking at

you, just guys, everyone like, fully. And like the more it kind of kept going, the more I started to realize, you know, those kind of controlling things like on, you know, making comments about what I was wearing. I'm like, whoa, like you've never said that before. And I'm like, also this is too much for me. That's where you draw the line. Yeah. That's where I draw the line. I, no, no, same. I'm like, this is just too, too much for me. So giving projection, like insecurities. Very much so. Very much so. So that's why, like, in high school, I was a little weird about it. I would kind of give my mom a hard time about filming with her, but then I still would do it because it's just like the older sibling thing. Like, you just do whatever your mom asks you to do, no matter what.

So that was a weird time for me. Then I obviously grew out of it because I broke up with him. So You were just like, what was the final straw? You were just like, was it college? It was, college is obviously like an easy. No, it literally, it was my senior year of high school. Yeah. We had broken up. I was having the time of my life.

Like, senior year of high school, I just loved myself. I thought I was like the hottest thing ever. I just loved myself. And, you know, we were still kind of talking here and there, you know, the casual meetup, I get it. And the whole nine. Then it was like right before. graduation and he was like I would love to take you out before you graduate and I was

just like I'm actually busy like you're like I'm checked out yeah we broke up months ago I was checked out yeah so then it was graduation and I was like I'm done I was like this ship has sailed so did you you went to college right yeah I've been to Rutgers and how was navigating dating in college when you were already on a platform like I always think about that because I didn't start social media are or like anything in this realm until post-college. But I can't imagine what it was like in college. With girls being jealous, I assume.

And guys just may be like, I haven't deal with this now. I don't know if you deal with this. You're in a relationship now. Yes. But like I kind of, when I'm dating a guy or a guy shows interest in me, I always kind of feel like a little bit like what's your like intention. What's your motive here? Like, are you trying to get some like in the back of mine TikTok or something?

Like that's kind of how I feel. Yeah. And I think. it's like, that's even like with friends though too. Oh yeah. It's like and I feel like it's very hard to sniff those people out because they, you know, you know what it is. It's like also just if you're too much of an ass kisser. If you're too much of an ass kisser, if you are way to like love bombing me, there's something wrong. I think. Always. I mean love bombing is like, There's something wrong.

So when I first got into college, I was just like, and that's how I am now too. I mean, we still go to bars. We still live our lives. Like, I am not like, oh, I am Gia Judeyce. I am not going to go to a frat party. Like, hell yeah, I'm going to the frat party. I mean, I'll go to a frat party. I'm pushing 30.

I'll be up the frat party though still. Yeah. But it was weird. I mean, honestly, it wasn't until, well, also, I was a COVID college. Oh, yeah. You're a little younger than me. It happened. I was home from April of my freshman year. I didn't go back to school to my junior year.

Oh, wow. Yeah, which is like so sad. I mean, that's like you had none of your college experience. No, like a whole year and a half. Well, not a year and a half, but like a year was cut out, like fully. But so then coming back to school, my junior year, a lot of people started recognizing me at Rutgers. And I guess it was weird because, my freshman year, I really didn't experience that too much, but my junior year, I really did.

Yeah. And that's when I kind of felt it. This is when TikTok started like. Yes. You know, you could get like popular in TikTok. I feel like that's when people started really becoming like influencers. 100%. Yeah.

And so then like people really started recognizing me at school. And then I was like, whoa. Like I was always, yeah. I was always recognized like, you know, with my mom or with family, sometimes by myself. but it was really what I want to say like junior year of college like turning 21 that's really when like a shift happened where it's like I also love you not just your mom yeah you're like a real person and adult like you're in your own at that point which was cool what did you major in by the way criminal justice wait I was gonna go the lawyer route did you like us for you law and order oh I love law and order but no my favorite is prison break prison break prison break I never watched prison break because I'm like you no no no how scared of it no I don't no no blood no no blood wait what's I'm thinking you're breaking bad you are and I've never watched that no no prison break characters also are they hot so hot yeah Michael

Schofield okay Michael Schofield I'm watching prison break no you have to like he falls in love with the nurse who is the nurse of the prison breaks out of the prison there's a whole thing But it's actually like the show has made me cry. I will watch it over and over again. It's like Gray's Anatomy good. Yeah. Like you have to.

Yeah. What made you want to get into criminal justice? My parents' legal stuff. Oh, wow. So I'm like, that's so admirable. I'm like sitting on the bed in sixth grade. My dad's asking me what I want to be when I grow up.

And I told him a lawyer because I was like I would love to help people in your position. In your position one day. That's cute. And I really was, I loved it in college. I was, I still love it, but I was good at it. Like, I loved it. Every law class that I was in, employment law, the law briefs that I had to write,

like the internships that I had at the public defender's office, immigration law firm, like, I really explored it and I loved it so much. What ultimately made you decide between that and what you're doing now? Money? Yeah, money. Yeah. I like the simple way and I don't even know if I've like ever really said that like yeah money and also you get a lot of money in this industry a lot of money a gross amount of money gross amount of

money yes like insane and I am so grateful for it but also like me I'm like getting to a point where like I'm I need to be fiscally responsible and I need to save and I need invest 100% and I think people are like steering away from brand deals and going into like equity partnerships and I'm like what's going on you I don't know what's going on it's a lot it is a lot I do have to say like I'm pretty like responsible in that aspect. I like I do have a financial advisor. Same. An accountant like you know,

I'm set in that department. Yeah. But my accountant is now like figuring out what my monthly budget's going to be. I'm like, get that to me faster because I'm freaking out. Because I'm on revolve spending crazy amounts of money. But you should, you deserve a splurge every once in a while.

Do you think you would ever go back to criminal justice? You know. When you're older, maybe. Like, maybe. I mean, I never want this industry to die out for me. I mean, I am obsessed with what I do. But obviously, if that road ever came, I 100% would. I mean, I know a lot of people that go to law school part-time who have families and they do it.

I mean, Kim K could do it, I could do it. So. You can be the next Kim K. Kim K. But also, like, you are a hard worker. You dipped your toe in a lot of different thoughts. Like you're doing your, you have your own podcast. I want to talk about that a little bit.

And you also are on NextGen NYC. Yeah. What do you want to talk about first? Because I'm interested in Woll. I mean, you know what? Talk about Next Gen. Yeah, let's talk about Next Gen. Because what am I going to be on it?

I mean, I'm getting so much feedback of you on this unwell. The Winter Games series, Winter Games. Yeah. I mean, first of all, now I'm going to watch it because I also saw a clip of you in Dakota and I almost screamed. I know. Well, let me just. Preface.

This is obviously prior. Cameras were not, like, people are kind of stupid when it comes to, like, timing and editing and things. Like, this was all filmed months ago way before anything came out about Dakota versus Taylor. Yes. Obviously, like, this shit didn't come out. And then Alex was like, let's pick up cameras and, like, you know, get all these, like, controversial people on. Of course. I don't think that's not what happened at all.

I mean, she had a good group. Not gonna lie. He had a great group. It was great. And it was entertaining and it did really, really well. Yeah. I went in with the thought process. Like, listen, I'm just gonna like, I'm gonna treat this like Love Island.

I'm like gonna like kiss him boys and like have fun. And I didn't really know all the lore in Dakota. Now I didn't. And I'm assuming you didn't. I assumed you didn't. But when I saw that, I got so scared. I'm like, Ron, he's Stephen. Did you watch?

I didn't. I mean, he does kind of crazy eyes. His eyes are giving tell me lies. Stephen, you're right, you're right. And there's no soul. Yeah, like he's just kind of like staring off into space. And then last weekend at Coachella. I know.

He's hot. He is hot. But also, like, can I make out with people and, like, peace? I mean, but also, it's not like you're not marrying any of these people. No. Because, I mean, I don't know what happens over there in Utah. It's so messy. Yes, it's so messy.

and I want like no part of it. It's so messy. I mean, listen, obviously like Real Housewives of Salt Lake City also messy, but I also love that show so much. It's like my favorite. No, like Lisa Barlow.

I love her with all my heart. We filmed at Vita Bar Lounge or whatever it's called. Her bar. Vita. Vita. Tequila. She, what does she say to me?

She says something really funny. I came up to her and she's like holding a tray of cocktails. And she hands me. She's holding the champagne. Or like she's passing out champagne as we're walking in, she looks to me, she goes, wait, are you 21? I go, yeah, I'm 28. She goes, two things I want to be accused of being of is anorexic and underage. And I go, period.

I go, great. No, she's too good. I love her. She's too good. But, like, what goes on in the Mormon wives? I know. It's actually crazy. But it just looks like.

It's so messy, though. It's like, who's cheating on who? Who's getting divorced? What's happening here? Like, are you Mormon or are you not? I don't know if any of them are Mormon. I don't think they are. So why is it cold?

The swinging that's going on. They're hooking up with so-and-so. Becky and Suzy and I don't know what's going on. It's too much. So, I mean, whatever. Fun hook up, sure. But, like, that's why I ever... That's because it's the lore.

Like, there's so much lore around it. Dude, we just, like, made out and... They got no one got a video. No, yeah. I'm honestly shocked. They didn't. But TMZ reached out, and he confirmed. confirmed everything to that rap, to the person, and then reposted the people's article,

and then posted on his story. He's commenting on it being like, I heard like, this is true. No, Halley, that's criminal. And I was like, wait, what is happening? Okay, no, that was kind of funny. That would make me so uncomfortable. But it was like, he was almost making light of it. But why is there so much follow-up? Why are we talking to reporters? I don't know, but I'm not like in these situations a lot. The last time I went to Coachella, which was like six years ago, I wasn't even in this industry. Yeah. And I could just make out with whoever the fuck I want.

And it's not a big deal. And it's not a big deal. And literally Sunday I got a call from my publicist and she's like, this might come out. They're writing something on like People magazine. I go, what do you mean? I'm home over. This is what I'm getting a call for. I can't.

Way to have the anxiety just go through the roof. No, it was too much. But do you like next gen? NYC? I love it. It was like an adjustment for sure. First season, I mean, let's be honest, we really didn't know each other that well. There were obviously some people who really knew other people, but I kind of went in blind. I was close with Brooks. I knew Riley, and that was really it. I met them during the sizzle, but like no one kept in touch. Do you know Eva? Do you know Eva? Yes. So then we obviously, the season started filming.

Yeah. I thought that the show was going to be asked, to be honest with you. Not greenlit. No. Like, I was like, I don't know. But it did, and we filmed it. And it ended up being the number one premier show on Bravo. It was fucking crazy.

Yeah. But, you know, I think there were definitely, like, obviously improvements that need to be made for second season. And I think they... Do they switch up the cast? Yeah. The, yeah. So everyone from the first season is still on.

And, you know, obviously, you know, we might have some newbies. Anyone I would know? No. You might know this. I should have done it. When you were texting me, you were like, you should come on it. I know. I should have done it.

Because now that I tip my toe in, like, the reality TV sphere. Yeah. And then, I mean, you were just around Ava. You know me. Did you fuck with Ava? I like Ava a lot. I hang out with her a lot. She spend my apartment from the after parties often.

Love. And she's a great girl. And I met Brooks over the week. at Coachella. Isn't he the cutest person in the world? He's cute. He dyed his hair blonde. I almost didn't recognize him.

He looked. No, he calls me. I go, what the actual fuck. I know. He looks like a highlighter. I loved him. No, he's so sweet. But, you know, next gen's great.

I really think second season is going to be insane. And there's just, we're all more comfortable with each other. So the drama is easier. Everyone is just letting it, letting it rip. No one's holding back. Yeah, I feel like you got to make it messy. You have to. I was like, if you want the show to be successful,

and that's kind of how I looked at Winter Games, I'm like, if this is going to get views, someone has to like do something here. 100%. I mean, you know, next gen it gets into a little bit, you know, deeper until my relationship, you know, with Christian, obviously you see things that Ariana's going through. Yeah, I met her once.

Yeah, she's lovely. Yeah. No, she's awesome. What are you closest with? Ariana and Brooks. Okay. Yeah, they're like my two, like, best friends. But then I'm also very close with Amira.

Amira. You know, love Ava. Who's the girl? I really love, you know, everyone on the cast. Which one's the girl? Didn't wash her hands? Yeah, the one that doesn't wash her hands or fear. Georgia.

Georgia. Are you close to her? Georgia, like, knows the relationship that we have. Yeah. It's very, like, when we are around, each other. I am so honest with her and like I will say hello to you like love her but no we're not going to get drinks and hanging out but there is going to be a lot of funny moments between Georgia and I and when does next gen come out hopefully by summer I want to say yeah so they don't have

official release no no okay but yeah and then what was my your second question to me oh casual chaos oh yeah um casual Chaos. I'm going on tomorrow. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. No, I mean, honestly, like, I just love getting to know people and hearing people's story and just getting a new view and a new look on them. Like, any guess that I've had on casual chaos, it has been so much fun.

Yeah. I also just, I, like, really enjoy it. It's something that I love going to, and it's, it just feels effortless. I feel the same way, like, about podcasting and just, like, you just get to talk. And I can't believe that's my job. I get to talk and sit here behind a bar, having a drink with a beautiful friend of mine. I'm just getting to know someone. It's like such a blessing at the end of the day.

I couldn't agree more. I mean, I love it. It's such a vibe. Yeah, I'm excited to go on. I know. I can't. All right, let's do some, like, general questions. Like, these are just some random questions I have written out.

Like, the first one is, what shoes are we wearing this summer? You have great style, by the way. Oh, thanks. I love this get up. Thank you. Old Navy. Old Navy? I just did a partnership.

the old Navy. Clock it. And they are so good. No way, I saw them. Like, this is their new collection. And I was like, wait, I actually like want to wear this today to the pod. Like, this is really cute. No, it's really cute.

What brand is it reminding me of? It's, I thought it was like Frankie Shop. Oh, yeah. It's giving that. It's really, really cute. How crazy. No, it's really cute. It's their new collection.

Go shop it. Okay. Okay, well, maybe. But I think, obviously, everyone, sneakers are out really wearing to the bar. You need to stop with sneakers. We need to stop with sneakers. I feel like kitten heels.

Everyone's going to be wearing kitten heels to the bars. You know what do you think with those flat shoes? Like those little ballerina flats. Or like those Margella's with the camel toe. No? Not your vibe. No, I'm not my vibe. All right.

Like you can wear it. I would look like a toe in it. No, like look what I'm wearing right now for my shoes. Like nothing matches is 80 degrees outside. I'm wearing shirling lined product. Those are a bit much. I mean, that's like shiny. I don't know.

No, no, love your outfit. It was a long day. It's out. It's always. Love. What's something you regret purchasing? Honestly, probably this designer bag that I just bought. Really?

Like, I really, I don't love it. You know, my friends have a bag problem. It was so impulsive. Like a designer bag problem. Yeah. I've never been into like buying bags. Really? Yeah.

I mean, that's a great problem to have. I spurge on glam. Really? Like, I'll get glam to, like, you literally go to the supermarket, it seems like. Okay, so you're Elisa Barlow. Is that what she does? She gets glammed every single day of her life, even if she's not filming. Every single day.

Well, that's just fiscally irresponsible, my opinion. But, like, I love glam. I just, like, love getting glam done. You don't have to, like, lift your arms. I know. Like, you're just being pampered. I mean, honestly, I love the way I do my hair and makeup. So I don't mind doing it.

But I really don't spend that much money on glamour. I would say the biggest thing I spend money on, clothes. Yeah, I think for me it's Uber's, but in travel in general, and then glam, and then I barely shop for clothes. I go shopping with my parents. It's a loophole. Oh. So you use Daddy's card for shopping. I use Daddy's card for shopping, but I feel like I earn it because I work hard and I'm tired, you know.

I mean, honestly, good for you. Like, if my dad said, here's my card. Great. Yeah, it's like, he just does. My dad just always says like he likes us seeing us wear nice things. So like he doesn't want us to dress bad. So I say, okay, then we have to go shopping. And he's like, I fully agree with you.

I respect that. Yeah. Honestly, good for him. I love that he has that mentality. No, I know. He needs to keep that mentality and I hope he never loses it. What is your travel sell? Like a hot vacation, like going to the beach.

Okay. Like tart is the tart trip was. The tar trip was, was my, was my. favorite type of trip. I wish it was warmer. I know. Wasn't that warm? Turks. I know we were in Turks. I know. And it was like kind of cold. No, I know. It was raining. I know. But like we had a lot of fun. We had a lot of fun. But I would say also like Euro summer. Like take me to Mekanos and I will be the happiest girl in the world. Have you ever been to Mekanos? I went last year with Alex and Matt and friends and we had the best time ever. I cried about it sometimes because we had so much fun. It was

Did you go to Namos? We went to, what's the one? Scorpio. You went to, okay, yeah, of course. Did you go to Principote? Yes, we did. Okay, you didn't go to Namos? We must have.

This is so much. I mean, we had a whole ice dinnering. Everything kind of sounded the same, honestly. Oh, my God, no, but how, like, Mekanos is, like, my happy place. Like, I tell Christian, I want to get, I want to be engaged in Mekonos, so that when he proposes to me, then I also, like, obviously, whole family has to be there, like, everybody. otherwise I'm going to say no. Yeah.

And then we can go party after. Like, it's just perfect celebration. Do you think you're going to get engaged soon? I would say so. Like not... Yeah, yeah. Like, not 2025, but like... Well, it's 2026, so...

Oh. So that would be crazy. We'd have to hop in all time traveler situation. But doesn't it not feel like it's 2026? I make that mistake all the time, which is the only reason I clocked is. because I make them a sequel. Oh my gosh.

So yeah, I think... 2027. That's so weird. It's crazy. It's crazy. I want it to be 2025. I want it to be 2016 with Fetty Wall.

Same. Like, that's all I want. Do you regret any video you've posted? Like, honestly, like, no. If anything, like, I get pissed if I, like, could have done better.

Yeah. Like, I'm like, speak my mind, you know. No, you do. Like, me, I feel like my content needs to be so good. Like, I don't know. Like, I can... If I got...

Like a little. What does a day off look like for you? Like an ideal day off in New York City? Or Jersey City. Or maybe you're just like fucking watching Netflix. No, yeah, I'm rotting. You're rotting. I'm rotting.

That's an ideal thing for me. Is that just like... Like going to run around to get like my nails down, my eyebrows, that's not relaxing. Worst nightmare ever. That's not relaxing to me. Yeah. No. I 100% agree with that.

I'm rotting. But does it matter if like it's warm or cold out? Like when it's really cold out here, I would rather be inside. A hundred percent. Binge washing TV, maybe a glass of red. For sure. Not like during the day, but like at night.

Yeah. Baking some cookies. But if it's nice out, I'll go tan on the rooftop. Tan the roof. Okay. Cool. And maybe like an apparel spritz by, like outside of a restaurant somewhere. Would love.

That actually sounds perfect. It sounds great right now, honestly. What do you think about Caprize? I don't like them. I don't like them either. I don't think you could wear them. I don't think they'd be flattering on me. They would be so not flattering on me.

I feel like they only work with like really cool, like extra, like people that really, not cool, but like really know their style. 100% cool because like it doesn't matter like your body type. But like if you like my friend Nikki, like curvy body like so sick, she wears caprice and looks so good. I put them on. I could put the same exact outfit that she's wearing. on. It would not look like that. It wouldn't need the same. No, no. I kind of feel the same way about that.

Like, you need, and I learned that. That's what I regret posting. I posted like a video, me and like an outfit, like not too long ago a couple days ago. And like I felt really cool in the outfit. Everyone else hated it. Did you see it? No. Okay, fine. Well, I need to see it. No, no, no. Can you pull it up right now? Show me what you're wearing. No, no, no. Like, it wasn't that. Like I was trying to be cool girl, but it like wasn't Wait, I don't think this is bad at all You don't think it's bad? Wait, I love it.

Really? I love the jeans and the boots. Oh, you liked it? Oh, like they hate it. Like, they hate it. So like Nikki, obviously, that's like my friend that's really cool and like can style that stuff really good. Oh.

I love how you just kept it up. Like, whatever. Style is so subjective. Yeah, no. You know, I knew that that was out of my comfort zone. I wanted to like try something new. Mm-hmm. No.

He didn't. It didn't land. I should have known it wasn't going to land, but I was feeling myself in the moment. Like I really thought I like looked good. Mm-hmm. What's your like most comfortable type of outfit? Do you like to dress up or would you rather like a swaggy like dress down kind of situation? Swaggy dress down.

That's me. Exactly. I rarely wear skirts. I rarely wear dresses. But like when I go out, that means I'm going. out so like I'm gonna dress up what is dressing up will look like to for me it's like I wear like nice boots and pants yeah but you're I love when you dress up like you always have style and then my tits are out maybe yeah but I mean as you should you paid for them yeah I mean

thank you I would say I'm really more of a pants girl too yeah I just like or like baggy shorts in the summer when it's hot baggy shorts those are cool like just like just like Just like not like not jorts like bubble skirt situation or like a bubble no baggy shorts like yeah just like the agoldy like baggy shorts oh yeah okay like jean shorts yeah but i like when they're baggy I don't like when they're touching my thighs yeah I I feel I feel like with that what's your go-to drink hugo sprit really honestly I love hugo over apparel over apparel every day yeah apparel honestly can only have one of them it's kind of like a bloody merry then I get like holy sick of Yeah, like just Hugo is safe.

Like, I could drink that every day. Yeah, I 100% agree with that. Do you think it's okay to go to a bar alone? Or would you have the bar alone? Or would you go to a restaurant alone? I would go to a restaurant alone because your girl needs to eat. Yes. Bar, like, no.

A bar alone? Like, I think you could. I think you are way more outgoing in that type of setting than me. Like, I don't know if I would like, it's all so weird because I'm thinking about it like oh I have a boyfriend like I don't know if I would like go into a bar alone and like really be comfortable just standing there and socializing you know what's weird I'm like an introverted extrovert so like sometimes I get social anxiety and the type of person that like my friends are sitting at a restaurant I'll have to text and call them before I even walk into the restaurant

and be like where in the restaurant are you sitting so I don't like to go I know where to go I don't like going into a restaurant and then having to look for people and then have people look at me and then I get very kind of like self-conscious like karaoke's not my thing no riding a bowl would not be my thing really I love those things yeah really I like if I'm drunk and we are with my friday like I will sit we literally did karaoke the other night we left park gate and we went to karaoke next door yeah see I get like self-conscious is that shocking it shocks a lot of no that it's very shocking yeah I mean in a bowl I think that that's fun but dancing on a bar I feel like that's you're kind of asking for attention. Yeah. I just, it's weird because, like, I do love attention, but I don't like,

I don't know. Like, even people sing happy birthday to me and are like, yeah, I get it. Where do I go to a bar alone? Like, no, why, like, with who? I would feel like an alcoholic. Yeah. Like, when we go to sit the belly up to the bar alone and, like, order, like, some chips and guac and, like, a beer. I know. And also, imagine going into the bar, like, alone on, like, like, a Friday night. Like, when it's crowded. Crout. Like, people like staring at you. Yeah. That sounds like my worst time.

It actually is, yeah, I don't think I could ever. Even if I was single. Like, that's just a bold move. That's the choice. Yeah. Like, you shouldn't have to get to that point. No. In my opinion.

What do you think about your partner having slash actively using social media? Or a partner, not yours specifically. I mean, he could have social media. Do they need to be private? No. Like, do you ever have? I feel like I can never judge. You don't post your man a lot, do you?

I do. I feel like you don't do it a lot. No, it's not like obnoxiously. Yeah. But like he's always like in the slide. Yeah. Like maybe on the cover photo, but he's always there. But yeah, no, it's never like obnoxious.

I'm like weird where in the sense we're like, I mean, I haven't been a relationship in a minute, but like I don't think I would post a guy because I'm scared of other girls sliding into their DMs because girls are like really sketch. I know. Like, does your boyfriend ever get weird DMs from girls? 100%. 100%. And then also, though, I always get, you know, and then you have to think about it too, though, like, people out there and, like, fans, like, they're also going to be supporting you. So, like, if your man is out there, like, doing shit, best believe somebody out there is going to clock it.

Someone's going to bring it. I mean, look at Amanda in West. That literally came from a person recording through an apartment window. Yeah. I don't even know that was legal. It wasn't. That's why Sierra had to go meet up with the girl. Oh, because they didn't send it? No, they didn't send it. Oh, because that would be illegal.

It would be illegal. Like, it's like porn. Were they banging? Oh, fuck. I didn't know that. I thought they were like maybe sharing a kiss. Didn't make it. Oh, they were naked? Naked. Oh, wait, I did not know that.

Yeah. Like the girl couldn't send the video because it was that. bad. So then Sierra was like, fine, get it. We thought they were just like maybe like, but like I'm going to go meet up with you now and will you show it to me there. Oh, wow. Yes.

I did not know that. I haven't really asked many questions about the situation because I see these types of things and like, you know, like people kind of run with a certain narrative online and I kind of like know how the internet works and I'm like, I don't know what's true and what's not true. But I mean, I mean, what's true is that, like, obviously Amanda is now fucking West who Sierra used to be with. I mean, regardless, she knew that people were going to come for her once they found that out. Yeah, I don't know what the end goal was, to be honest.

No, but they need to get married. That is the end goal. If they don't get married and move to the Ozarks. If they don't get married, this was all for nothing. No, I know. I think about that. It's kind of like, that's kind of how it's similar to the. Scandival situation.

100%. Because like their only option was to get married. 100%. Or like someone else going to spiritual retreat and now Raquel is like bang and like

Oh. Like do you see what she's doing now? No, no. She's like doing spiritual healing with like the sound bath. So see how bad that fucked her up? Yeah. And I mean also Scandival like Sandival like he's never

Yeah, I don't think he's been the same. Yeah. I mean. The only one that leveled her up. up was Ariana. And what's so fucked up is like Amanda was about to have her Ariana Maddox moment. Yeah. Like she was actually about to have it and now Sierra's having it.

Yeah. I mean, I will say like I don't think anyone should be subjected to that much online. No. Maybe like everyone at the end of the day is like human and like someone the shit that I've seen. I know. I was literally just going to say that. That like I do feel bad for Amanda. extremely I feel for her in that situation and I do feel bad for her.

She's been nothing I met her a few times she's very sweet. Same. West I've known for a minute and he's also a great guy just kind of no I really do like love both of them individually I've obviously met them multiple times. Yeah. Bravo con just events in general around New York like I love literally everyone that I have ever met on Bravo. Yeah but it's just like shit this is so sticky. Once you get everyone else's opinion in there and it's a public thing, it's a public matter, there's a lot of moving parts. But also the biggest thing is like,

and I say this all the time and I love them so much. Like Bravo fans are intense. Like intense, they are ruthless. And it's, it's going to be a long road. Yeah. I'm excited to see that reunion. So am I not going to lie. I'm going to be locked in for that. Okay. What is your favorite restaurant in New York City? Obviously staple that, like, I really like is, like, the corner store. I love the corner store. I love the corner store. What's her cuisine?

Italian? Yeah. But, like, only, like, your family's Italian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I really don't go to Italian restaurants. Because, like, you can't. Like, your favorite Italian restaurant in New York is Ducci. Oh, you know, have you ever been to Sartianos?

Yeah. I actually was there not too long ago, and I really liked Sartianos. Okay, we go to Sartziano. Okay, perfect. I needed, like, I needed your opinion. opinion on good Italian. Yes, I actually really like Sartianos. And then Mediterranean. I can eat Mediterranean like all day, every day. Have you been to Oresh? I just heard about it. You need to go to O'Rash. Just heard about it. And that same owner is Ketch, CornerSore.

86. I don't know if you've been any of it. It is. You were there? Yes. I mean, Eugene, George, like that own all those restaurants, like the most amazing people ever. Can you please take him to the 86 then? We're going to go to the 86. Okay. What is the best? advice you've ever gone honestly just like be myself don't let anybody taint my personality I like that yeah it's cute it's simple it's to the point it's just it's just been the person it's just literally been the word of advice especially like joining next gen just like really being like my authentic self you see the bravo fans are tough like do you get online hate how do you do with that

oh for you read it do you all the thing I don't read red it I don't read it I don't It's like self-armed. I don't even have Reddit. I don't have Reddit either. What is Reddit? Like, you just look it up? Well, like, if you were to look up your name, which sometimes you have to do for, like... Your mental sanity.

Like, I just need to see what's on there. But, like, I don't go on Reddit, but, like, usually the first links are, like, Reddit links. Oh, God. Okay. Or, like, me making out with someone in the fields of Coachella. Or, like, some feud going on. I don't know. But, like, that's what your name.

It's, like, news almost. Okay. Yeah, no, never touched Reddit before. But I mean, there was obviously, you know, some backlash a little bit during the next show NMICC season one. That was hard on me because, you know, that's just not who I am as a person. That was definitely tough. But, you know, we redeem ourselves in season two and, you know, hopefully. That's like something I'm scared about doing reality TV is like, I would just talk somewhat shit.

Like there were so many times where I was like mic'd up and forgot and I was just like dragging people that I forgot about. Like I would forget the cameras are there, especially after a couple dirty martinis. I know. And that's the point, especially when you start drinking. But it's tough, you know. You learn. Yeah. You listen and you learn.

For this last segment, I thought we'd use to like listeners submissions. Obviously your show is called casual chaos. So we asked our listeners for some chaotic confessions. That's so fun. You're doing chaotic questions tomorrow. Look at that. I love that. Maybe they're similar.

The first one is dropping out of college, not know what to do after postgrad. I actually didn't know what to do post grad. I think a lot of people don't know what to do post grad. I think that's extremely normal. Very normal. It does feel like a chaotic time in your life, though. Totally. I think after some time, though, like, you got to figure it out.

Yeah. Really, like, find your passion and figure out what is going to make you happy. And if that means like trialing and erroring, like a couple jobs, do that. But at least like my biggest thing, like don't not work. I just feel like that's the biggest ick and turn off. That's my biggest ick and turn off. Like you have to work. Like just grind it out.

Find what you love. Don't give up. Like sitting on your couch is not making you money. Don't be complacent. No. I think I always say this about men. Like it's not even like them. seeking a lot of money. It's like lack of drive would turn me off more than

100%. I'd rather the most driven man ever than like a rich trust fund baby that doesn't work. Could you imagine? I could imagine. I mean, if it got that bad. But like, but like I don't like that. Life would be great, but buy into real estate. Do something. Do something with it. Yeah. Like use your brain. Yeah. Like I fully agree with that one. All right. This next one is like no confessions. We just want to hear about Coachella slash you and chase. And we just made out lightly on the fields. But like there was a video this girl made. Did you see the video? Okay. All I know is that I saw the story, but you literally posted it. You self-sabotaged yourself. I had to like lean in. I had to lean in. Leading into the. No, but there was a girl that made a video that had like millions of views.

And she's like, things I've seen at Coachella about your favorite imploners. I don't know if she said favorite influences, but I just added that in there about me. But it was like all these things like this girl smoking a cigarette, but blah, and the last one was like, Hallie and Chase McCorder basically fucking on the lawn. Fucking. And I said, baby, you would, you don't think anyone would record that? Like, what do you mean? That's a bit extreme.

Yeah. So I'm telling you anything around these Mormon wives, significant others, husbands, like, don't go near. Keep away with town football. I know. I need like an athlete or something. That would, like, suit your sense. It'd be a bit better than like the Mormon situation. So well, but it would suit you so well, but just don't find a cheater.

You know what? I try, but men are just men. I need to find someone that's like offline. Okay, this girl goes, me and my friend poacholes with thumbtacks in her stepmom and dad's condoms. And she got pregnant and a couple months after. Does she like want a sibling? But also like... It's not legal?

But also, like most scenarios, I mean. I mean, you know, sometimes the kids aren't thrilled with their stepmom or stepdad. Why would they want them to create a baby then? Yeah, like, why are you fully planning this thing? Like, why? That's just weird. Do not poke holes in your parents' condoms. You know Drake, like, pours like hot sauce.

Did you hear that? That he pours, like, hot sauce in his condoms so the girls can't, like, go back into, like, trash can and, like, try to, like, insomate themselves. I feel like I read that somewhere. I could be making that up. I mean, that's smart. So he, like, pours hot sauce in it. And, like, one girl, like, had a bad.

But Drake only has one kid, right? Yeah. Okay, so he's, he's careful. I think he's gotten really good at that hot sauce condom situation. That's wild. Yeah, I've heard that, but it could be totally, like, no, but honestly, I, like, I, like, you have to do what you have to do. You have to do.

Chalula around everywhere he goes. Tabasco and his asspo. He pulls out a little Tabasco, and he's like, all right, goodbye. This girl goes, I got drunk and cussed out my boyfriend's mom. I don't feel bad because she's a cunt. I just don't think that's okay in any capacity. I mean, could you imagine, like, your boyfriend's mom?

No. No. No. Like, I don't think Christian would ever look at me the same. No. I just could never, like, my, like, respect and, like, moral, just, like, morals. Like, no. Like, my mom would kill me.

No, yeah. I mean, if that's honestly a good follow-up question. Like if you don't like your partner's family or your partner's family dislike you, is that a deal breaker? Yeah, I think 100%. Yeah. Like, if you don't like my family, like too bad. Yeah. I am constantly with my family.

Yeah. Like, that's really too bad. Yeah. I feel like guys, though, I mean, this could be different. Obviously, if you have a horrible relationship with your family and like you fall in love with your person, so be it. I feel like men are swayed a little bit easier, though. Yeah. To like follow their wife or like follow their person.

100%. But I still think that's like fucked up. Yeah, I don't want that drama. It's like, why involve that into your life? Like just X out that family drama. Especially if like that family is like an extension of the person you love. Like that means that the love is probably not as unconditional as you thought. Yeah.

Okay, this girl goes, I'm secretly in love with my best friend's boyfriend. Oh my gosh. Why is there so many of these things going? happening in our universe um run yeah i mean just don't do it there's so much dick out there i always say this there's so much dick so much so much so like there's no reason like unless she lives in a small town in like iowa you know yeah or like you guys want to like move to iowa and like never uh yeah come back because you know those are there are towns like that where you really you only know each other each other. Yeah, it's giving like high school friend

group almost times 100%. Tell her to move to New York. Yeah, tell her to move to New York and find another man. Okay, this guy asked me to wrap my chest in food, plastic wrap during sex and I said yes. Wait, that sounds like he wants her tits to go away. Like in saran wrap? Yeah. Imagine a guy asked you to wrap your chest in saran wrap

to like compress your tits to your chest. Oh, I have a couple follow-up questions then. So why? He might not be into girls. That's what I'm thinking. Why would you want to remove the tits? Because I mean if you saran wrapped my chest, I would be flat chested. Well, mine can't go anywhere.

I mean, they're bolons, but. Yeah, like me, no. I'm like an eye cup. Yeah, mine like feel hard. Do you have a bra? No. I have an internal bra. And very strong.

strong tits. You didn't want them softer? No, I had them softer and then I got them done again because I thought they were too soft. I just kind of like the aesthetic of fake tits. I can always get them taken out one day, but for now I just like want people to look at my... Is that silicone? Yeah, silicone, but I also have an internal bra. So it's like this mesh scaffolding that breaks down over 18 months into collagen and it like holds implants in place.

Oh, like you have an internal bra in your bra. in my body. Holy shit, I've never heard of that. It's a newer thing. I might have been patient zero, but it's kind of fun. But like when I lay on my back. So you don't have to ever wear a bra? No.

So when I lay on my back, they don't move, they don't do anything. Wow. Awesome. But like not for everyone. Yeah. Like if you like a bounce. If you like that look. I have no bounce.

Nothing. No recoil, no nothing. So then after these 18 months, are you going to get a little bounce? Not really. Like the skin arounds a bounce. If we were to jump up and down, you can see the implants and the internal brawling stay in place, but maybe like the skin slightly moves around it. Wow.

It's really, it sounds not hot. No, but, no, I mean, guys like big tits, so. It's, they've done well for me so far. I got the Mormon guys under lock, so it's working out. I know. I have, like, I have this, like, love-hate relationship with getting my boobs. done. Yeah.

I mean, the thing is, like, even my front page, like, she just got her saking out. It always had them removed. Really? But then didn't it fuck with her skin then? Not really. No? You can always tuck things if you have the right doctor. Yeah, I guess.

I have a good girl. Okay. If you ever want to get them done. She's great. I kind of, I literally, though, I just want to be. Yeah. I mean, like, I want still small boobs. Yeah.

Because I feel like I would look good with small boobs. but like small perky boobs so that when I wear a corset it actually looks like I have cleavage. Cleavage? Cleavage. I said cleavage. It's okay.

I probably would have done the same. Thievage. No, yeah. You can get like really small implants. I think that's what I want. Like just like a baby bee. And just like have like a little like shape up top. You can get like a moderate implant

or a tear drop or a gummy bear. All the fucking things. Oh my God. There's like a whole menu. I didn't know that. We have so much talk about. We have so much talk about. Tear drop.

This last one, this girl goes. I think I'm getting engaged. this weekend. Aw, congrats. Like, to you're like, that's so cute to me. I'm like, ah, like it sounds like really scary. I'm like a commitment phone. I don't know. Like, you don't like commitment? Clearly not. I can really commit to like dinner plans. But I feel like you would actually like a boyfriend. I would, but like I don't want to settle with and be with. No. Yeah, but I'm telling you to settle. I don't know. I just like, you get to an age where like everyone's, there's like a lot of weddings coming up the summer and I'm like, oh hell, like.

You ever feel pressure? Really? No. Because, like, I know I'm hot and I like freedom and I like independence and I like to work and I like to do whatever I want without getting an opinion on it from a man. And that all feels really good to me. Yeah. But I do want to have kids and I probably will freeze my eggs next year and I have a lot of, like,

I think self-love and maturing to do before I enter like a serious relationship. I think that's so smart though. I'm self-aware. The whole freezing eggs. Like, I love that. I know. I just like, because then, you know, I feel like it takes a lot of the pressure off of you. It's like like insurance.

Yes. Like I don't need to have a timeline yet on when I find my partner. But at least I know that the expiration date of me having kids is not out the window. Yeah. 100%. I love that. Well, I love you. I love you.

And this is so fun. Thank you for coming on. No problem. And I can't wait to go on yours. I know. And yeah. I love you guys. I'll see you next week.

Bye.