Extra Dirty with Hallie Batchelder - Cop car hookups, catfishing online & relationship therapy ft. *Serena Kerrigan*

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

The queen of "doing it for the plot", Serena Kerrigan (SFK), is at the Extra Dirty bar yo! 🍸 Hallie and Serena chat through their insane 2020 glow-ups (RIP tarantula eyelashes and double-jaw eras), Serena's iconic IG Live dating show, and her new book Let's F*cking Date. SFK steps into her Big Sister era to give Hallie a much-needed reality check on situationships, egg freezing, and why "Safe, Laugh, C*m" is the ultimate standard for men. Plus, the girls share their wildest throwback hookup stories from cop cars to Central Park, and break down why you need to stop smashing on date one! Buy the damn book, stop texting him back, and enjoy babes! 💋 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Welcome back to Extra Dirty. Today we have my very good friend, content creator, entrepreneur, host, and now author, Serena Frieneer, Kerrigan. Thanks for having me on Queen. I'm so happy to have you here. I know. It's been like a long time coming. No like I'm shocked. Like a little long to be honest. No like way too long like uncomfortably on. It's fine. He had to get the set ready for me. I had to get this set. I had to build it out for you and now we're here. Are we doing some drinks? Yeah. What are we pre-gaming today? I always ask like what are we pre-gaming? I'm having dinner with my dad. So like daddy issues vibes. That's what we're pre-gaming for. I think I'm like going to try to go out tonight. My brother just landed so maybe you're like going to like go out. It's Wednesday and summer. Hump day. It's hump day. So you know what's so funny is like I feel like I ran so you could walk. You know? No, I think about this all the time. You want to hear something funny before I for this drink. I remember like for me, you're like an OG content creator in my eyes. So like, well, I think

in a lot of people's eyes that came out wrong. No, no, yeah. Like it's the 2020 was. Yeah. So when I came to New York, I remember like this was back when like I was just going to events. And I remember I was at an event. you came out the elevator, passed us right behind you, and I remember being like, I made it. Like, I'm on an event with Serena Carrigan. No, I'm not even kidding. I was like, oh my God, like to my friend, I was like, Oh my God, I love that's so much.

Look at us now. Yeah, no, I feel like I really paved the way for you. And I'm really glad that you are just shining because you are, you're running, you're running. No, I'm running. Did I walk so you could run or did I run so you could walk? I think we were both running at one point, but like you definitely walk so I could run. So I could run.

Right. And now I'm sprinting. You're sprinting. And I'm just cheering you on. Like, let's go. But no, I feel like you embody during it for the plot so much.

And I love that about you. I do everything for the plot for the story for the content. Correct. And I feel like that's how like I even started. Yeah. I just like it. I saw that video that you reposted you. See,

this is something else we have in comment is that we went through like insane glowups. Thank God. No, like insane glowups. I was watching your real today. I was like, oh my God. Wait, no, how rough? Like, you're like that's turning hair again. And my hair was like chopped.

I was chopped. I was arguably way more chopped than you. You were cute. The thing is, like, back in the time, I thought I was eating the house down boots. Me too. I was like, every guy wants this. Wait, I was shocked when I was like not invited like front road of fashion weeks and stuff. And I was like, why wouldn't they want this super model?

Okay. Of course, and I also thought I could pull any guy, which like I kind of could. You know, like, Loki, I could. Like, I could. Like, I could. Like, we could. Bean chopped, it doesn't matter. It's all about confidence. And I had that. Yeah.

But I feel like I had, like, fake confidence. Yeah. Like where I, like, convince myself I was hot. 100%. But, like, also, I had a crazy jaw. I saw that. Well, let's talk about that. My jaw, like, I think open, like, a can.

No, but why? It was just so sharp. I don't know. And I thought, like, I was like jaw bone structure, whatever. Bone structure. That's on cheek bones. There was something else happening to your. face. It looked like I just got out of a double jaw surgery. No, like it was actually it was

whatever. It was like the opposite of a double chin. It was just like, it was like my jaw had a jaw. Right. It was chopped. It was actually chopped. No, it was, I looked like handsome squidward. And this is where like, I always say this. I'm like, this is the one time. Like I will thank my trolls because they were like handsome Squidward. You look like f***. And I actually made me like, it made me actually look inward and be like, what is wrong with my face. And then I fixed it so I can think the fucking trolls were clocking me on that.

They clocked me on my big eyelashes. I used to have trenchillized like, like couldn't see, I couldn't see for like three years. And I kept getting like pink eye. And my friends were like, maybe it's the weighted blanket on your eyes. And I was like, no, no, no, it's not bad. It's all that I can't. And thanks to the trolls, they were like,

stop doing that, you look insane. And I listened. So are the big eyelashes, too. No, it's so bad. But it was like a thing in the 2020s, right? No, that was the thing. And I was like, back in the day, I was doing like the whole modeling agency thing

because I was like, oh, with your double job? Can model with this double job. I should be walking runways. And they were like, the way that I think, same. I'm to this day, I'm like, why haven't I like done a runway other than like the pickle fashion show? The pickle fashion show.

They had me, they had me close it, which I was like, obviously. That's actually an honor. It's iconic. Cheers. Cheers, my love. Tell me if it's bad. You can be honest. Is it strong?

Literally, I'm going to be able to speak at dinner with my dad. Let's go back to the beginning. Where did you start? I want to hear it all. I started at Mount Sinai Hospital. So you were a nurse. No. I started at Refoundary 29.

I was a video producer. And then I was like, I'm starting my empire bitch. Yeah. And I wanted to make it all about confidence. Yeah. I was like, I can monetize this shit. Was it more about confidence or was it like more about like, I want to be in like my single error?

It was definitely about confidence. and I just happened to be in my single era with my, like, fake, I was speaking until you make it yes. Like I just wanted to exude confidence. So I was like, I'm starting to fucking care again. Like I just had that energy. You didn't understand. You had big dick energy.

Beyond. But like that's honestly like, like, yeah, yeah. And this was during COVID, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how did you start that whole like, you did that whole dating series? That's when you really to the moon. Right? Because I was sitting in my apartment alone, like, masturbating and like making tie-dye sweatshirts.

What else were you doing? What were you doing during the pandemic? I was like really in a dark place. Like, correct. I wish I did something like that. No, I was literally, I just quit my job. It was two weeks later. They were like lockdown and I was like, what?

So I was in my Lower East Side apartment. I was like, okay, I need to make money. I need to get fucked. Like, I need to do so many things. Yeah. Make money and get fucked during a global pandemic. So I did a Melissa would help exercise like workout video. And then I sat there and I was like, okay, I'm just going to start going live.

Yeah. Do you go live ever? I used to go, I used to be addicted. Me too. It's so fun. Why can't we do that anymore? No, like, because there's a lot of reasons. Okay.

There's a lot of reasons why I can't go live. My lives used to get taken down because like I used to start saying crazy fucking shit because I was usually drunk. Right, right. So fun. I was hammered. I was hammered. So I was like, like you hammered and just was going live. And then people were like, we were talking about dating.

And then I was like, okay, maybe I should just start dating on Instagram live. And I did. I dated 50 men over the course of a year. Yeah. I would say like 80% of them were gay. Did you go up with any of them? Yeah, of course. Really?

Yeah. Not like when I met them, but after like the world opened up again. Okay. Because they were completely blind. Like I hired a producer. Okay. And then like I had a hired producer.

They were all blind. And then yes, afterwards I like met up with a couple of them. And then one of them won. And his name was Creed. And then he went on too hot to handle like afterwards. This name was Creed? Yes. What a hot name?

He was really hot. Anyone I would know that was on it? Yeah, fibula. I'm screaming. He was running off. Why do I feel like Harry Joz? He was on it as a friend. Okay.

Yeah. It was like iconic. Heilani was on it once. Like it was like, I mean, what else were people doing during the panic? Wait, I kind of like love that fibula was on it. Yeah, yeah. He was my runner up. Hallie.

He was number, imagine you dated fibula? Like I was down, but the audience was like, no, you have to go for Creed. So the audience got to decide. They picked a winner. And Creed was the winner. Yeah. Did you smash? Okay.

So this is the problem with him is he was. is like, no, you're gonna get pregnant. So your audience, how many people were on these lives? Like thousands and thousands, thousands watching me live, date. I feel like you'd be good for this. You should do it. We should bring it back with you. I feel like I would thrive on a dating show.

A hundred fucking percent. Like, could you see me on a dating show? Absolutely. Which one? Like, I can't do Love Island. I can't shake ass on Dick for a heart rate. But you know who convinced, Felix would try to convince Sammy to go on Love Island.

I think, no, I think Chad would be really good for Love Island. Because Chad would do all the challengers. And like, good fuck with all the girls. Wait, why don't all three of you go on? Like a family affair. I don't know if I want to see, like, I don't think they want to see me making out with people. Right. You know?

That's hard. And I feel like that show, you have to make out with everyone. You do. So I don't think you've even like the siblings. Wait, what I love is fine for you. I feel like you getting proposed to via a wall would be interesting. I just, I'm so vain and service level sometimes when it comes to like looks. I need to see what they look like.

What if they have a small dick? Wait, I'm dead. Like, you know what to like? opens up and you see them for the first time. You literally would be like, okay. And I just think people that do those shows are kind of weird. I'm sorry. It's definitely a choice.

It's so entertaining. You know, like if you're like down for that kind of social experiment, well, that's why I really like my dating show because I was like the producer, the host, the contestant. I was all the things. You had all the control. I did hair, makeup, lighting. I was just like, are you control freak?

I'm type A and type B. I'm both. So I guess it's like type C. I'm like a number, not a letter on the alphabet. but I'm like not even a tight. It's insane. But you showed up here. I mean, late, I'll be it.

But like, you came and you poured me a drink. That's good. Okay. Let's talk more about this. Your book. Yeah, my book. Let's fucking date. Hold up the book.

Show everyone the book. It took me a year to write. How long? Yeah, we were just going to ask. Sorry. No, you're good. It just like, I felt it. I was like, this is really thick.

Well, the cover is perfect. I wanted to have something where, like, if you had it here and a guy walked in, like, you wouldn't be like, oh, we should hide that shit. We should put up back. Right. Yeah. People can see it. So yeah, I wrote this book.

It took me a year. I took so much at Aterall and I wanted to kill myself and we made it. No, I feel like every time I look at your Instagram story, you're like on your computer. Like tweaking out. People are like, you're not even typing. I'm like, trust me, I am. Yeah. And I was talking to someone about this and I was like,

Samuana's like one of the hardest workers I've ever met. Thank you. You really like, when you have your mind to something, you like go full fucking crack. Balls to the wall. I mean, why not? Was it hard to write a book? It was, but it was also just a fun, exciting challenge. I like being challenged.

I like going outside of my comfort zone. I feel like you do too. Yeah, I do. But I don't know if I could write a book. I don't even know what to read a book, to be honest. Maybe we'll get there one day. We'll get there. I'm going to read your book, though.

You're going to read my book? Yeah. Yay! What's the last book you read? Like Bud Not Buddy in the fourth grade? You know what? This is a really good step to this one because it's like the chapters are short and it's funny. And it's basically just like all your dating stories.

Like, give me like a little... It's my dating stories. it's everything from the relationship with yourself to dating in the world in real life to then once you're in a relationship how to make it last so it literally covers fucking everything moving in sex should you fuck on the first date I say yes no oh we might have difference of opinions when it comes to that we might why don't you think you can smash on the first day I think you can absolutely smash on the first date when I smash on the first day I become a fucking sessed with a guy Like I'm literally like changing my last name for his.

Wait, I actually think I do that too. Correct. Because that's oxytocin. It's a hormone that you release when you fuck. It's not even your fault. So you become obsessed. Like octetocin is an attachment hormone. Motherfucking scientist.

Not a scientist. Add that to the list on Renewer Ho's scientists. So that's why. So then the next day you wake up, you're like, I'm in love. But you're not. That's your mind playing tricks on you. Even if the dick's bad, you can be in love. Yeah, like like even that.

But usually, I mean, like the dick itself is ugly or like, you know, like, there's just bad sex. How often are you really seeing a bad dick? I mean, a bad suck is par for the course. No, yeah, even if it's bad sucks. You fall in love the next day. Anyway, so I'm saying, wait, wait until you know them. Okay. Like, it's another mind.

Their mind? Or just smash them. Who fucking cares? I just personally felt like it was easier for me to date when I wasn't fucking them after the first date. I honestly, that could be a reason why I've been single for so many years. This book is going to be great for you. I think it's going to actually change my brain chemistry. I also did the audio book.

if like you want it. I'm a better audio, yeah. How long were you single before Felix? I was single from I 22. My ex-boyfriend was at Paige's wedding, by the way. He was in the grooms party. Huh? Yeah.

I was like scrolling through Bixson and I was like, oh my God, that's my axe from college. How long did you date for? Like a year and a half. But like he was my first love type shit. You know what I mean? Oh, so it was awkward. Well, I wasn't at the wedding.

But it was awkward when I was scrolling and I'm seeing all my friends with him. Oh, yeah, that is awkward. I was just like, jump scare. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I was also like, whatever, on the next. He's married now.

It's fine. But that relationship ended when I was 22. And then I had like a weird relationship in the middle. This guy. Oh my, you're really going to love this story. Tell me. The final straw was that he wore this really fucking ugly sweater that his mom knit him and like wouldn't like not wear it.

Oh, he was attached to the mom. Maybe. Like, it's the worst one they want to fuck their mom. And then he was like, I want to take you and your grandma out to, brunch and i was like okay that's really sweet like you're meeting her she's like in her 80s like that's like it's like as you should yeah it's a nice gesture big step he after lunch then moed me for her meal remember requested you for for her portion for your grandma it was like 30 oh that's an immediate no she called me an uber to break up them that's a solid grandma right

that period my queen was he cheap beyond what do you think about What's splitting the bill? Ew. Would he do that? Ladies, a man, I'm looking right at you in the eye. A man, the way he shows his interest in you is by pursuit and by planning, making a plan, right? Yeah. And a man who's making a plan should also be paying because it's his plan.

Yeah, if you're invited to something, he's paying. He's paying. No, ifs, ands or buts. There's just nothing in between. Absolutely not. So you think pursuit is like the biggest sign of someone. showing in the only sign, baby. It's the only sign. They ain't texting you. They don't like you. Really? Yes. Okay. And that's okay. I feel like that that struck a nerve view. No, it didn't. I'm not a

thing is like with me, I'm not a good texter. Okay, that's fine. I don't need you to be a good texter actually. But I in fact, that's better that you're not because they need to be getting to know you in person. Yeah. So are they asking you on dates? Check. No one else's me on dates. I have friend that hard to believe. That's a lie. It's a lie. But like, no one I would. want to go on a date with. It's always the guy that I want to go on a date with that doesn't make me. And why do you think that is? Because I'm crazy and I have a podcast.

So I'm going to tell you something. It's a fact that you're, I feel like I'm your senior. Yeah. I honestly might learn a lot. I'm your big. I'm your big. I'm your big.

I'm your big. I'm not this fucking sorority. Whatever the fuck this sorority is. What is the sorority like the get fucked sorority? Delta pie hole. Delta cream pie literally as you're big I'm gonna tell you this I was really a fucking afraid like I literally documented everything like online with my dating stuff I went to Miami for the first day I was like fucking blogging I remember that was so iconic that was iconic like I would just like always be like going

on first date it's going online like all the time and then I got really in my head that like guys didn't want to date me because of that fact I'm telling you the right guy literally isn't going to give a fuck yeah that's what I keep telling myself but like I've been single first for so long. How long has it been? So for me, I was single for the majority of my 20s. I would say like almost all of them. Like for seven years, six years. Yeah. I'm saying probably going on seven years. That's perfect. That's great. Like I look at it like this since I've known Lauren Fish. Yeah. She's never seen me in a serious relationship. That's a long time. Right. Right. Right. But I've had like a lot of situations. I'm really good at those.

Yeah. No, you're like, I'm really like a guy and he fucking hates me. Okay. We're fucking everyone. We're abolishing the situations for the rest of the year and maybe for life. As you're big, got to circle back. I look back on, I'm 32, just for I. I know I look like I'm 24. Um, but I look back on my 20s and I'm like, I'm so glad I got fucked, fucked. Fucked. I fucked up. Like I did it all, bitch. I look back and I'm like, I did it all. And yes, like, okay, I had a million situations. It's too. Guys literally hated me, but I fucked them anyway. But like, I look back and I'm like, I'm so glad that my great relationship happened later. And I met him at 29. How old are you? I turned 29 next month.

This is exciting. Okay. Good. We're excited. We're close. We're close. That's what I'm saying. It's like, you're doing you. I think you reading this book is actually, or listening to this book is going to be great.

But I think it's also about setting boundaries. Like, if the guy isn't texting you and he doesn't fuck with you, why don't hit him up? Like, I would never hit them up. I'll get sad in like the privacy of my own bedroom. Okay. He's not hitting me up. Yeah, I get it. But like I would never.

No. Say that one more time for the ladies. Listen. I would never hit up a guy first. Unless. No. I would never hit up a guy first. I try not to.

Sober me wouldn't. I mean, by the way, I did it all the time. I was like, hey. And they were like, ew. Like, so don't. I like, don't do it. Reverse psychology myself. I'm like, well, maybe like he thinks I need to show interest.

No, no, no. Because a lot of guys don't think I am. Interested. Yeah. A serious person. Like, they think I'm like blowing them shit are going to make them looks. Like, kind of like, if I'm like, I like you, they're like, oh, you see that to every guy. Right.

Which is not true. Yeah. I feel like it's actually not. I don't throw around that word a lot. The out word? The out word. The leg word. So how are we going to improve upon this?

I don't know. I'm going to tell you how. Yeah, it's where you're here. To educate me. I think it's just the right guy is going to take their time to get to know you. And like when you say I like you, they're going to be like, oh, my God. And then even if they're like unsure, they're going to pursue and it's not going to matter. Yeah.

Just haven't met that right person yet. Or maybe you have. Have you? No, I don't think so. You don't like anyone recently? I mean, I do have crushes, but these crushes do not pursue me. Okay. That's because a crush is a lack of information.

Yeah. It's also just like I kind of always want what I can't immediately have. And I don't think a lot of guys say no to me often. Oh, that's hot. I know. You know what I mean? I feel like I can usually get what I want. So when someone is like kind of pushing back on that, I get like, I need that now.

Yeah, exactly. And then I try to fight for it. and then it crashes and burns. Right. So I think the right relationship for you is going to be someone who, like, meets you where you are and is going to give you what you want, but not in a way that's like a beta. What kind of guy do you see me with?

Someone that's going to call you out on your shit. I like to be, I actually like being called out on my shit. I know you do because we're, I'm your big. And I'm the same way. I kind of like being put in my place because I feel like some guys are like a little scared to me. You don't want those guys.

And don't change anything about yourself. No, I really don't think of you should. I'm not. But like I sometimes like when people are tell me to like shut the fuck up a little bit. Not like a really me. No, yeah. Are you getting feel like tells me to shut the fuck up all the time? He's like it would be really life would be so much better if you just shut the fuck up.

Like just a little bit. I'm like, oh. Well, I can't do that. So yeah, that's gonna be the type of guy you end up with. Just somebody you can put your place and yeah, but like loves you for you. Yeah. So until then just keep dating. You're dating.

You're out there. I'm not dating. What does that mean? I don't go on dates. Okay. We're, we're gonna change that because you're 20, you're turning 29. And we're changing that. Why not?

Like, I just, like, don't like, like, the, you know, it's just like a lot of, like, getting to know someone. Right. No, you have joined you on right now. Right. So, that is dating, though. But, like, dating is, like, a sport. It's like a hobby.

Correct. And it's just, like, not a hobby. I'm, like, it's not a hobby like I have interested in yet. Okay, that's fine. But, like, I like to, like, fuck. You like to fuck. Is that the hobby you're interested in? Jesus Christ.

Okay. So, let's find the ground. Like, I'm not, like, celibail. here. No, we know and baby. Of course not. No, but like dating's a whole other category. Correct. I think that maybe let's make a challenge. Okay. Let's step outside your comfort zone and maybe go on a date one per month. Was who? Okay, I'm going to set you up. Does anyone want to set up Hally? Please leave your number after the beef. Comment below. I'm not kidding. Did you ever do the dating apps? Of cooking course. Oh my God. I actually found a video the other day of me like showing my profile. And in the

first like the first line of the day is like okay so like I'm catfishing everyone like legit catfished everyone with my profile like I was bust so busted but it's fine where I was face-happing the shit I was like Hollywood 50 if you could like I would I would Hollywood 4 download image and then Hollywood 4 my 4 so it's really a Hollywood 8 if you think about it I was a mathematician beyond I like Einstein that's fucking insane I did the same thing and it faced tune like I was like you couldn't see me no like literally looked like warped mountains and background. The point of dating is to practice.

I think that sometimes a great way to find a match is you're on the dating apps just to see like guys that are out there, but you don't match with them. Then you find them on Instagram. You follow them. I do this. You do this. And then you follow them. They follow you back.

They slide in. Do you think following a guy first is okay? Yes. You do? If you haven't met yet in real life. So you can find a guy in a deal. app follow them follow them but don't say anything but don't message them but if they message you they're like smash date date date date not smash the book is called let's

fucking date not let's fucking fuck but that's my card game and you can play that later no let's fucking smash smash smash is my new favorite word by the way not crack is crack fuck I say crack clip smash love the vocabulary which I had it all these words the book fuck no I was like should I add to Lulu to my book and I was like no I want keep that shit timeless. I don't know if people are going to be saying Dolulu in like 10 years. No. It's definitely like over. Over. It's like a Gen Z. Yeah. What other? Like it's like demure.

Yes. What do you think about that about following first but not saying anything? I can do that. But sometimes I like being bold and just like firing off DM. Okay. That's fine too. I'm just feeling like what's up? As long as you aren't making the plan, they have to be the ones to be like, do you want to go out with me? Yeah. That's the man's job. What do you think about post 11 p.m. text being like, let's hang out, that is making a plan, but it's a smash plan. Yeah.

So we're not going to do that. I'm going to say if you want to see me, it could be when there's sun in the sky. So there has to be sun. Or like sunset. Sunset. The sun has to be irradiating the sky, please. It has to be like near the horizon. Please.

Somewhere. Yes. Okay. I can do that. Like outside, like in a public space. Like, what do you think about ideal for state? Two drinks and ditch. You're got to go for drinks only.

Do not go to dinner. Do not lock yourself in. I don't care how hungry you are, bitch. Like, take an out of all or like eat before. Taking out of all. Like two drinks and ditch. Why nothing ever good happens after three drinks or after two drinks. Do you agree?

That third drink is never good. I mean, I don't remember last one. I just had two drinks. You don't pregame a date. Do you? Yeah. That's totally fine. That's okay.

That's fine as long as you're only having two drinks on the date. What about a kiss? Yes. I think a little hand draw. So that's where I think we should maybe not. Over the panty end job. I think like a little footsie. A little rub and tug.

A little, maybe let's just take the dick. Just let's have that remain separate for the first day. You don't even know the person. And then I think little footsie's cute, a little like, like a little, well, you're not this far away from each other. A little like, that's perfect for a first day. Yes. Because you want to know if there's like a feeling of us. And you can feel the vibe right away.

Right within the first like two minutes. Because sometimes I'm like, am I just like tipsy and like horny or am I feeling a vibe? Correct. So when you're preking this date, I would maybe just limit it to like a shot. Okay. I'll try. I feel like you should set me up. I so agree.

I'm like spinning in my head. Do you like what are your, what is your, I don't want to say what's your type, but what are the values that you really care about? really care about values. They have to be funny. They have to be loyal. They have to like have a good family. Okay. These are great values. Okay. They have to like, they have good family life. Like I need to like, I want to like, the person I marry I need to like know they have a good family situation. Okay. But do you guys are you listening to hearing out Holly speaking about these values? This is amazing. You didn't go like six four blue eyes finance. Ivy League. No, you are focused on the values because that is truly what matters. Obviously you want to be sexually attracted to

them you want to bone them smash fat pockets crack yeah but you have to grow old with you have to grow old with this person and if they're not making me laugh on my rocking chair i don't want to fucking do it it's to me it was the number fucking one quality yeah like they could be ugly for all i care funny gets me in a bed quicker than hot 100% a hundred percent yeah in fact if they're not funny it's like it's like i always say this i'd rather like a 10 no wait back up i mean i would love 10 face seven 10 personality. Seven hot. No.

Seven hot, 10 funny rather than the other way around. So this is a rule of my book. Seven face. Like seven hot. Yeah. Personality always. Because that's what makes them hot. Yeah.

But you also want them to be just like, giggling. And I love my boyfriend so much. I think you're very sexy. You need them to be like a little, like you need to be the hotter one. Does that make sense? You always have to be the hotter one. Always. Always.

And don't be offended, babe. Like it's just the way. it is, you know? No, like, it just makes me feel better if I'm the hotter one. And don't you care about my feelings? And like, it's inconsiderate if you're hotter than me. Or even trying to be. It gives me the egg. Like, you shouldn't be hotter than me. Yeah. After two drinks, what are you going to do? Go to bed. Ditch. Does he call the car? If he's a good guy with fat pockets. Okay. So he's not calling him. But regardless, you have to be like, I have Pilates. I have extra dirty filming. I have literally anything to get you out there. What would be your excuse if we were on a

date right now and your drink was finishing. I have to go to urgent care to pick up antibiotics in the morning. I always like, I always say this. Even when it comes to like hooking up with guys, I'm like, it's easier to leave a guy's apartment than it is a guy out. So whenever a guy sleeps over on accident, when my rule like slips a little, it's like hard to come up with an excuse. And I always say I've worked tomorrow morning and they're like, it's Saturday and you're an influencer. So you're fun and played, right? Yeah. So.

Okay, so we sleep at their apartment. Agree. I snuck out a couple of times. Oh, I'm going to the bathroom. Never sees me again. You're going to see you announce it? Oh, I just, I would leave. I would literally leave in the middle of them.

Like, I just think. I don't like waking up in someone else's space. Oh, my God. I hate waking up and then, like, you literally feel crusty, dusty, musty. Your breath is disgusting. Blue sheets. And by the way, I would never look good. Like, I would look so bad.

My extensions are, like, I had a couple of sebober sauce. couple weekends ago. Oh. A couple. Okay. And I woke up the next day and I didn't have a hairbrush and my extensions are like matted like to my, I just looked like actual shit. Yeah.

Oh my God. Okay. We need to go to Jess immediately. We have the same person who did our hair and God damn. I know, but like they just fall out sometimes. I know. I kind of like it though. It's like fun.

No, it's like kind of like it was like a show and tell. Yeah. No, literally the timing was a little too. Berberd. It's great. So, yeah. One time, oh, this is good.

I was like, I found this really hot guy at a bar, like, so hot lacrosse player. That was, like, my thing. I don't know if that's your thing. I love lacrosse player. Like, I'm, like, beyond. They're just, like, so mean and, like, the perfect way.

So fucking mean. Like, so hot, whatever. So we go back to his apartment and we're, like, hooking up in the middle of the night. I was like, I need to use the bathroom. He's like, it's over there. It was like, thanks. So I, like, tiptoe.

fully naked. I tipto out. I close the door behind me. And I'm like, roommates. No, this isn't the bathroom. This is the hallway of his apartment building. And I'm locked out and I'm but fucking naked.

And it's four in the morning. I have no phone. I have nothing. I'm naked. I'm literally like, and it's one of those like walk up apartments and I could hear noises. It's not like a doorman building. Because if it was a dormant,

I'd like, bitch, I would have gone in door. him and been like, I need to, you need to call me a car. Naked. No, she's nothing. What do you think I did? I just sat down and I just started. Bang. Bang. Was he sleeping? Yes. And he woke up and he was like, what are you doing? I was like, I had to get some air. And I never saw him again. He was so hot though. Fuck. What's your biggest red flags? Top three. And then let's go through green flags too. Okay. Let's go one at a time. I'll say one. You say one. Okay. Not asking questions. I know that

such a crazy thing to say, but I encountered that a lot where guys would just talk about themselves the whole time. Yeah. And I was like, well, I'm not your therapist. Maybe you should get one. I also think it's an ink when they like think they're like that important to talk about that much. I'm like anyone. I don't do anything, but go to therapy. I know literally anything. That was a big ick for me. I think a big ick for me is when they're rude to wait staff. Oh, beyond. That is beyond. Like, like, who are you? Oh, literally who are you? Or when they just try to make things like way too sexual early on like way too early on i know you probably can't relate to that but for me like i just am like okay like i must be an ick for some guys like me wait why like you're you like i'm like

i'm like very sexual like off the bat like off the rip haven't seen them before type shit type shit is crazy sorry no like maybe type shit no like i like to get to know someone all bit but it doesn't take many text exchanges for me to get like a little weird like what like You want a dick pick? I don't like dick picks. Yeah, right? What does a dick pick do for me? It's so crazy that that's even a thing.

So what do you send a badge pick? I don't do that anymore. Since my influencing career served. That's smart. Because I just like don't need my posts out there. Right. Also like I've gotten hack before in Snapchat. After that, no post on the internet.

Okay, so what are you sending like voice notes? No, I'll just send like some like, aggressive text. Oh, like what? I love sexing. Sexing is a loss art. I don't think people understand. I think that, you know, when you have evidently, like, when you start writing your book, it should be a sexting book.

You think I'm going to write a book? I think that you could do an audiobook with your sex. You know, those audiobooks where they have those, like, hot actors, like, read and shit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Quinn. You should do that. You should do a thing with them. A hundred percent.

I have, like, a good sex operator voice sometimes. Oh. Okay. Hey. Hey. I think I could do that. But I don't know if I'm talking. Like, like, okay, so I think the sex maybe we don't do the sex before.

No sexing. I think that, let's wait. Okay. You're a great yell. You know what I mean? Like, I think you, you don't need to sex yet. Unless you want to. No, but the thing is I want to.

Yeah, that's the thing. What's your love language? Okay, so my love language is all of them. But if I had to really, like, narrow down, I love physical touch. So you're just like me. And I love words of affirmation, obviously. Okay, so you're just like me. Yeah.

You're big, babe. What? You were giving me shit for it two seconds ago. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying like, I'm not, by the way, I'm not slut-shaming. I'm not sex-shaming. I'm, I'm hornyer. I'm probably just a torrent if not more horny than you are.

It's more just like, like, let things develop type of shit. I think maybe that would work for my favorite. There could be like a slowness to it. Just let them be. It's a privilege to get a sexed from you and make them work for that shit. You're right. I always say this too because like when I like someone, I get very in, like, it shows my like vulnerable and secure side.

That you start sexing? Or what? No. No, like, it just like when I like someone, I feel like, you feel vulnerable. Vulnerable, but also like not the most confident version of myself. For sure. Does that make sense? I don't feel like a bad bitch when I like someone.

I feel like exposed. Correct. So the right person though, when they're going to make you unsafe. Yeah, they're going to make you feel really safe. Okay. That's how you know it's the right person. But I totally know what you mean. You know what I mean?

That's why I always be like, I'm starting to fucking care again when I showed up to date. And they were like, ew, what? You're like, I don't want to date you. Like, who? Yeah. Then when I did it with Felix, he was just like, obsessed. Well, like, can we talk about Felix and how you read that? Yeah.

We met on a podcast like me and you. So like we couldn't date after this. I'm telling you dead ass. Be careful. He should be worried every podcast that you go on. I've been on a lot of podcasts. I'm like, yeah. Yes, I went on this podcast randomly.

I wore like no mask hair and no makeup. I was just like, oh, I don't even want to do this. And I show up and I fell in love. It was crazy. You should have more men on your podcast. You never know? I have men on it. I don't have enough men on my podcast.

Like straight. Yeah. You think straight men would like to come on my show? A hundred percent. Maybe I'll start doing that. Yeah. You should. You should.

The whole time. Yes. It's so fun. D. Like said he had no intentions of like getting with me, which like, I believe. But we just hit it off immediately. Were you guys flirting the whole thing? The whole time.

The whole time. Like we were playing footsy under the table. So basically at one point I was like telling you. You love footsie. literally love. No, you like you. I can't. Fancy fetish.

Wait, so, not actually. But after, wait, so basically, I was kind of confessing my shit to him. This is the me, I feel like you really do it. I literally was like, I'm too much for men.

I'm too much for guys. Like, they can't handle me. They can't handle it. I don't know my persona. Yeah. And he was like, well, for the right guy, you'll be the perfect amount. Chills.

Chills. I said, that was a bar. It was beyond. And I go, are you hitting on me? I'm down. And he was like, he said that on camera. wrong? I said that to him, yeah. And how did it go after? We were official three weeks later.

So the moral that story is, when it's the right person, it's going to hit. But you know, he's six years younger than me. He was 23 when I met him and I was 29. How was that age gap with the younger? Okay, so listen up. I was like so anti-age gap before. I would never like my hinge. I would never set them to even my age. I was like, they have to be older. They have to be older. They can't handle me if they're not older. I was like, I'm going to meet my man at zero bond. I still say this. No. I just was like very anti.

And then when I met him, I didn't really know his age until like our third date. And then I found out and it was like, this is the biggest job scare ever. What the fuck you're still living at home? Like I just was like, uh, 23 to 29 is a big job. That's like, especially like I always say men are mentally like seven years younger than us. Correct. So that's like 20 years. He was like in high school.

Yeah. But he wasn't because you know him. He's like very mature for his age. He's an older. Totally. Totally. So once. I was willing to let go of that.

I was just like, you know what, fuck it. Like, I have to be open to this experience. I realized, like, how many men I was not letting myself get to know basis on just age. So I'm just telling you and to any singles out there, have an open mind. You never know. Like, young men, like, they're obsessed with you. They literally worship you. That's like the one benefit I could look at it.

It's a major benefit. Also, they're like, because I'm successful, like, I feel like Felix is like, fuck, like, I need to, like, work 50 million times as hard so I can, like, keep up with you and, like, providing this life that you want i'm like fuck yeah you better bitch because i could do it myself you know what i mean i got to get felix's flowers though he's crushing it right now that's true as he as he fucking should as he fucking should as he fucking this girl but like i think it's something you should consider they are obsessed with you well like yeah i could i could do younger you know so much and it's because you've like had so many different life experiences and i do think it's important

and like for girls to just like really live their 20s, make mistakes, date the fucking gestures, hook up with the ugly guys, hook up with the hot guys, hook up with the mean guys. And just like and learn at least if you're learning from every experience in a positive way and not making the same mistake twice, I feel like there's a lot to be said for that. Without a doubt. I feel like that's what this book is going to embody. It's literally like do it for the fucking plot. And also like you at the end of day, like it should be fun.

Like dating should be fun. This whole part of your life should be fun. Your 20s are for having fun. I'm telling you, I look back and I, I did nap before I came on this fucking podcast. And I'm only 32. I like to nap because I was like, I need to be ready for my fucking girl. Point is that like, oh my God, remember the other night we went to the box? This was like for Julia Morris's birthday party.

Remember? Me and you, bitch. Yeah, we went to the box. And you looked at me and you were like, I can't believe we're at the fucking box right now. And I was like, bitch, I used to live at the box, bitch. No. You said that to me because I was like, there does come a time where you do slow down. And I look back in my 20s and I was like,

I did it all, like, ate all. And you have to do it all, too. Yeah. And by the way, those scleries you have the next one when you're anxious and about shit, you never remember any of those moments. No, I don't like remember the last ride really bad scurries.

Right? Maybe leaving Santa Pai that was scared about. That was like two weeks ago. How are you feeling? I feel better now. Okay, good. See, time heals. Time heals everything.

Time heals, all wounds. But like, I was, I've been only like a tear. Okay. What does that mean exactly? Like, it's okay. You're getting drunk and having fun on vacation. Yeah, I'm just probably just like drinking too much as we're sitting here a bar. You know what?

I don't feel bad about it. Cheers. Again, this is your point. I love it. Wait, I have more questions for you. Before you do, congrats on Unwell being valued at $500 million. I feel like you were a big, this is all you, boo. I don't think that was me.

This is Oz baby right here. That was Cooper. That was Cooper. I actually saw that. I was like, oh shit. Oh, shit. That's a lot. It's a lot.

Okay, more questions for Serena. know yeah i should like have a fucking no pat out i feel like yeah like you know yeah i mean i can use one of these pages no dead ass she was like oh my god i want it to your book hello okay sorry go on this segment's called how many drinks till you ditch okay here we go so i'm gonna tell you about a guy you decide how many drinks you'd laugh through until you ditch him and leave okay so we have derrick six three owns his own company lives in jersey and never spends any time in new york city two and you're done he sounds like a good guy yeah i mean he never spends time in you're not going to like date this guy if he never wants to be interested but you might change his mind

two drinks and ditch like what if he has a plane he can wait he can make it wait to see you next time he can fly to you okay we have Chris especially if he has a plane if you like him that's when you get up and leave in a really cute way okay so if you like him leave but like what if you don't like him stay for the free booze crack okay this game will be quite easy then Chris NBA player sweet and funny but has had negative press over cheating rumors. Over cheating rumors? Yeah. What do you think?

Smash. Sure. But like, don't date. I mean, I think the cheating thing, like, do you think once a cheater is a cheater? I think you can have, I think people can make mistakes and learn. I think you can learn from rumors. Have you ever cheated? No.

I don't think. I've cheated. Yeah. But he cheated first. So that I'm the reverse. No. For an eye. It canceled out.

Cancels out. No one cheated. No, but I think that that's not what scared me. It's more the NBA player thing. I think that it's hard to date an athlete. I think they like to fuck. Yeah. I think I would be insecure.

Yeah. All the time. Like, you want to feel safe. I've never felt safe in any of my relationships. And chapter 15 of this book is called Safety First. It is other than them making you laugh, the most important thing is that they make you feel safe to be yourself. And do not edit yourself.

And they make you come. So it's safe, laugh, come. Safe laugh come. Safe laugh come. Safe laugh come. Safe laugh come. Safe laugh come. Yay.

I'm going to put that in my bio. Instead of live, laugh, love, it's me safe laugh come. It's very good. We should get bumper stickers. I'm obsessed. Okay. Finn. Male model.

Finn is his name? Yeah. Okay. I'm already not even agreeing to that date. I, fun fact, don't hook up with guys where I can't say their name in bed. in like... So give you an example of the name. Greg.

Greg. Gregory. No, Gregory. Gregory. Gregory is crazy. Gregory. I don't want to spell out. Or like...

Are you really saying their name in bed? You're not saying like, babe, baby. I like love to name drop. Oh, wow. Have you ever said the wrong name? Yes. What is that? Many times.

That's crazy. And how do they react? I mean, they're just happy to be there. I don't know if any of them actually have noticed. I've never gotten really called out on that. It doesn't happen often. It happened me a couple times in college. Yeah.

College doesn't count. Yeah. Once I fucked this cop and he like took me in his cop car. I like satchatted my friends being like, I'm arrested. And they were like, what the fuck blowing on my phone? And I was like, oh no, like I'm kidding. He just like, we like fucked in like the car. What's the craziest place you've smashed?

I would say a cop car is pretty crazy. What? With a cop. Huh? With cops. We how did you meet the cop? He was like one of those like ones that they hire to a mall cop. Put some respect on my name, bitch.

No, kind of though. He like was one of those cops that they hire like to like stand outside of a bar so like real cops don't come. So I guess he was kind of like a retired. But he had like a bat. How old was he? Older. It was so fun. Who's the oldest guy you've ever smashed?

When I was in high school, I smashed this like the football coach of like my arrival high school, which is kind of crazy when you think about it. That is insane. Insane. It was so fun. So you were how old? I was 18. Okay. That's all I think I was 18. I met him in the spring of my senior year. You were you were like go falcons. He legit. And he's like no, go Eagles. We literally. Literally. Yeah, they'd be snatched. And it was great. Like we like saw each other a lot. You hooked up more than one? Yes. How old was he? I was 18. He's probably in his 30s. Like the oldest guy I've gone with is in his 50s. Right. You've never?

I've done that before. Yeah. For sure. At baritalia. It was like not the owner, but like someone high up there. Like it's a restaurant on the upbri-side. I used to do a lot of like city shit, like kinky shit. Yeah.

Like have you ever hooked up in a bathroom at a restaurant? Oh, fucking bitch. I used to give hand jobs in Central Park. Again. Do you know who you're talking to? No, like I... Where do you think that we could fuck if we grew up in New York? The park.

You've fucked in Central Park? Of course. Mix of the horse-drawn carriages? Baby. Like, I grew up in Boston. Right. And where'd you guys fucking, like, a fucking basement. Like, you fucking suburban louis.

Oh, there. Well, I grew up in the city. Okay. But I did lose by Virginia on another couch in a basement. See? When I went to Nantucket, I fucked two guys in one weekend. I feel like you would like that. Yeah.

I do like that. And I went to the chicken box and every girl there was wearing a jean jacket. No, the Nantucket-tucket style. especially back in like 2012 was not the vibes. Right. Okay. Now thank God we have dairy boy on the premises. So like bitches are dressing right.

Thank God we have Derry Boy. We have these bitches dressing correctly. So anyway, I fucked you guys in that one weekend. I had the best time. I really liked the Nantucket guy that goes there. Really? Because I know.

They're too preppy. They are very preppy. But I like that. So back then I really like that. I like the like lacrosse like preppy guy. Like country club. Like love that. Did not end up with that.

But like that was what I thought I was, you know, into. Mine is a very Duke thing. I have like, oh, fuck, you went to Duke. Oh, yeah. You forgot to mention that. I went to Duke. I was an English major.

It all makes sense. It all, like, random. It all makes sense. You know. I didn't go to Duke. Where'd you go? I went to you in college. Go Dutchman.

Go Dutchman, baby. Like, my dad went there. I was not a good student. Okay, so your legacy. Yeah. Also, I was in, like, a great student. What was your major? I was a classics major in our history minor.

What's it classic? It's like history. Yeah, but like my thesis was on the emotional manipulation of architecture during the Hellenistic period and how structures were built to evoke certain emotions as you move through space. I want to read that. And I got a fucking A on it, bitch. Honestly, that's impressive. Yeah, no, honestly, I was like, like, it locked in.

I'm like manipulation of spaces. You taught me how to manipulate people. I feel manipulated right now. No, literally. Does the space not make you want to? manipulate yourself to like get a beverage legit but like what are I what is it going to do with that major like be a museum director you made a bar I didn't make it though miss Cooper did okay well but it's your influence yeah I feel like you should talk about that on dates that should be your

fun fact no I bring it up whenever I get a fucking chance to when people like what's your major I'm like classic you were waiting for me to ask you know I was waiting I know it now we can like thank you very much for coming here really yeah this has been great let's dip but know I love that question just because it makes me sound like I actually am smarter than I put on. You are. It's giving a little parisulton vibes what you're doing. I do. I'm very self-deprecating.

Yeah. But so am I. I think that that's fine. I think that as women, we kind of have to do that because then it makes people feel less threatened by us. Yeah. And also, like, I like to, like, not show all my cards. I feel like I'm almost like kind of.

I do feel that away, right? You know, like, I want people to think I'm dumber than I am. Just so I can move the way I want to move. And then I sneak up with them like a snake. A good snake. Not like a poor. Depending on the day. Depending on the weekend.

It's a weekend or like weekend. Let's go to the next guy. Rob. Okay. Rob, previous fuck boy, just turned 30. Maybe it is him. So now he's looking for something serious. He's charming.

It makes you laugh. I think if you're a previous fuck boy, like you drink. Two drinks in a bench. Perfect. I'm learning. You have to do it though now. Yeah. It makes you feel so fucking good because they're like, no, no, no.

Stay. And they're like, I have to go. I have to go home. I have to read my thesis. Garden about the manipulation of architecture for Hellenic spaces. You know, like type shit. Like, that's like the vibe you want to get. I love your use of type shit.

It's too much. You're like missing type shit in this whole episode and I'm so mad of myself. I can't stop saying. It just like hit. So yeah, two drinks, dip, we smash on the next day. Okay. I never said smash on the next day. Can you try to go to three dates before you smash?

So you have a. rule. Three dates, it feels completely respectful. What chapter is that in? Because I might need to read that one twice. Let me pull it up. I think it's this one right here. That chapter. What chapter is that? It's literally called sex in the first date. I think three is your, it's good. Because you know each other. What if you are friends before? Thank you. I have to be romantic. Yes. Okay. Alex comes from old money, very serious and is medium ugly. I have more questions about Alex. I need Alex to make you laugh. I need Alex to be funny. I was just going to say that. Look at us. I'm your big, bitch. Yo, I like this. Oh, what's up? Okay, so we need him to be funny. What did we say?

Safe laugh, come. Safe love, come. I'm going to officiate your wedding. I'm going to be like, and then she met a man. And then who made her. Safe, laugh, and come. It's weird, but I feel like we're legit manifesting this. No, I think we are too.

It's crazy. Like, it's going to happen. Have you ever seen the guys I like, though? Crazily enough, like, no, except at the wedding we were talking about. Yeah. But like, I don't know about that one. Okay. But like, I don't know.

I feel like they're all really hot. Maybe you need to go uglier. Yeah. Like, not like ugly. Like, you still want to fuck them. But, you know, it's like a hint. Less pretty. You're the pretty one, you know.

We can both be pretty and have really pretty babies. Correct. No, pretty fine. But like, it's just 7.10. That's like what you need to go. Seven 10. So I need a seven. I mean, we've been at a lot of weddings this summer.

Have you been feeling like inspired? Like, what's the vibes? It's kind of getting anxiety, honestly. Okay. Let's talk about it. I just like, I just feel like comparison is a thief of joy. I talked about this in my last episode, actually.

Okay. And I was just like, all my friends are like in the space of life where they're having babies and getting married. Who's having a baby yet? Who's having a baby? Emma. Who else?

Cooper. Oh, my God, you're right Cooper is having baby. Emma. Okay. And just a lot of weddings. I mean, Lauren's wedding is coming up. We had Bridget's beautiful wedding. We had Paige's wedding,

and I'm sure she'll be knocked up in like 10 seconds. So how are we feeling about that? I'm just like, I just feel like a little behind. Okay. And like I'm hanging out with a lot of, I'm younger mentally, I think a little bit. I'm a little delayed when it comes to romance.

Can I give you the ass of Kady fucking slap in the face? Yeah. Hit me with it, bitch. You're absolutely right. Comparison is the Deepa Joy because you're comparing your life to someone else's. It literally makes, there's no, there's absolutely no timeline that you should be hitting, like, at all.

Like, your journey is not theirs. More worried about like fertility. Okay, well, I froze my eggs. Okay. I think that's something that you should consider doing. I'm going to want to turn 30. Of course, this is your chapter in my book. But really, if that's the thing that's making you feel the most anxious,

if you have the resources to freeze your eggs, you absolutely fucking should. Yeah. It made me feel legit. You would love this, actually. Like when I woke up from the transfer, it literally took 50 minutes. It was like anesthesia nap. I was out for it. By the way, it's two weeks to freeze your eggs.

You do the shots for two weeks. The needle is as thin as a piece of hair. It's thinner than the gLP one or peptide needle. Oh, really? Yes. Time me up. No, legit. It's so easy.

Yeah. And then you do it for two weeks. You're like, that, blah, that. Yes, you get bloated, but like you lose. It's all water weight. It's fine. And then you like, painful. It's literally not.

Okay. Bitch, you know what's painful? Like a hairy dick in your mouth. Like, there's way more things that are painful, honey, than that we've experienced. Please. Come on fucking on. You've taken the SATs. You went to college.

You're right. So painful. Horific. I had an abobo. That sucked. What's that? An abortion? There you go.

This? Walk in the park. Okay. So you're shotting, shodding, shodding. And then you go in for your procedure and it's a 15 minute app. You're out like a light a, like an anesthesia done.

You wake up and I legit when I woke up, I was like I felt like a man. They felt like a man. I was like. No, yeah. It's insurance on your own body and I think that's important. I think you should consider it. For sure.

No, I'm definitely going to do it because I'm not going to have kids by the time I'm 30. So I don't do it. Also, a lot of people. that are even having kids now are doing it for kids later if they want to like it like everything everyone for the most part a lot of people are having kids later yeah i think so especially in new york second of all you are blossoming and i'm saying this to hallie but like anyone who's listening you really like if you start thinking about you vis-z-vis other people you're fuck that you're always going to feel by yourself but other people if they look at you they're going to feel behind so like trust the timing

of your life trust that everything is supposed to unfold when it's supposed to and like you have an amazing career, you have an amazing group of friends. And when I see things that, like, when I see other people and I want what they have, I'm like, okay, good, good. That means like, I know what I want. And a lot of people don't know what they want. Yeah. If you know that you want a family, you want a partner, the more you speak about those things, you're going to make up fast time it's going to happen for you. I do want a family. I do want a partner. Great. I find that like this, my content and my podcast, it has made it like, for me, be taken seriously in that world. As someone who like had a lot of content.

to change. As someone who had a lot of content like yours, like I did. Like my whole brand was about sex and dating and like I talked about it as openly as you did. And by the way, like less produced. I didn't have this like sick fucking set. Like I had like the ugly tarantial eyelashes like looking chopped as fuck. I feel like I didn't change and I just met someone who was cool with it and didn't give a fuck. And I think that that's 100% going to happen for you. Yeah. I think so too. I just you also like can show up to a date And be like that's my persona online like that's not who I really am Which is true but are you showing up to those dates saying that? I

I well like you know I don't date a lot but like I do that's what we're training I do tell people that A lot of it is for you know, it's and gigs entertainment value hello you gotta be like you got to you have layers You're like an onion bitch. Yes, well a lot of those parts are too I feel like I'm very authentic to me for sure But I exaggerate myself online hello do we all do what you have to Correct. Right? Serena fucking Kerrigan, hello. That's the opinion me of that.

But that's what I'm saying. It's like you walk around me like I'm Serena fucking Kerrigan like every 10 seconds. Right. I mean, like I used to him and then I would like, we had to stop. Immediately. Exactly. They're like, your complex, multifaceted woman and the right guy is going to want to get to know you and be like, who is the real how he was underneath that.

And Felix, when he, when I wanted his podcast, he was like, I see you right through your S of K shit. Like you're a teddy bear. Like you're so loving. You're so like peaceful, all this shit. Yeah. But he made me feel safe to be that way. I know it feels like it's 10 steps harder and maybe to some degree it is.

But like at the same time, this is your journey and I wouldn't change anything about yourself. I think if anything, just like when you show up to a date and you're going to have to start going on dates, that's what we're doing now. Because we're let's fucking date. We're let's fucking date. We're let's fucking date. We're let's fucking meet. You're going to show up dates and you're going to also be vulnerable and honest and be like, that's my online persona. But like, I don't like being vulnerable.

Okay. Well, that's something that we're working on. My walls are up. I was the same way. but with the right person, your walls are going to come down without you realizing it. That's why. But that's why I want you to just keep going on dates, like actually going on dates, not just smashing. I don't smash 24-7, but I smash 22-7?

Yeah, this is the thing. Get yourself a vibrator. I have all of them. Perfect. Like, maybe you need therapy? Oh, wait, are we not in? Oh, okay. This is important.

This is part one of the book. Yes. Therapy is good. It is like a massage for your mind, bitch. That's what it is. It's a massage for your mind. It's good. It feels good.

But yes, I feel like part of me when I was 29 and I was like, where the fuck is? He like, what the fuck? I went back to therapy and I was like, they're blocks. And I felt like my blocks were like deep down. I like didn't feel like I was actually worthy of a relationship. Like I would be like, where's my name or I'm? But I feel like deep down like I would run and I would always choose the fuck boys or I fuck on the first date because I was like I had the wall. Great.

I'm your big. So like I'm you in a couple of years. Do you have anxious attachment? Bitch, are you getting me? I was like, because I do. Somebody give me a fucking Xanax immediately. The second spiraling. Spirling,

spiling. The thing is what I need to do is go to therapy, find out why I was away, like from my parents, from my childhood, like why was I like this way? And then that helped me so much. And then I was able to show up differently.

So that's like step one truly. Okay. I feel like we need so much progress. No, like I'm learning so much. I love this so much. I love you so much. But I'm telling you, I feel like I'm looking, like, I'm your future in some ways. I can see that.

And that's why I'm like, I'm not worried about you at all. Because like, you are such a beautiful person inside and out. And like, you have an amazing brand and you shouldn't have to change anything about yourself. But yes, I think going to therapy is going to make you feel really good. That's what it is. It makes you feel good. Yeah. I feel like a massage.

You like a happy ending? Well, not yet. But like, but like I feel like therapy always makes me feel like worse. Okay. So it's the kind of thing where like you have to unpack. some shit that is painful and then it gets a lot better because you feel like you're on the other side of it. But it's like a journey like you kind of have to go through. Yeah, I guess I just haven't trusted the process. Yeah, just. It's like, you know, when you make your hair done or your makeup done and you're like,

oh my God, I look like actual ass during and then at the end you're like, wait, it looks so hot. Yeah. It's like that. It's like that. I guess I just don't have enough patience. I'm very impatient person. Correct. So maybe we need to like get a Xanax or something. Yeah. Just like, chill. Just more just like, I think you're out of point. I can tell you're an inflection point where you're like maturing or older like you know what you want. Like I love that you're like I want a family. I want a partner. Great.

So like, oh my God, this watch is fucking. Thank you. Hello. New face, baby. $500 million valuation. I didn't get any of that. No, but it's sick. You're part of a great brand.

No, I am. I am. Anyway, that watch is fucking gorgeous. Oh, thank you. Cool. So all that money you spent on that watch, let's spend it towards therapy. 100%. I think that's a good place.

end. I'm like happy. Cheers. Not like you honestly made me feel so much better. I feel like this episode is me called Therapy with Serena Carraghan. This book is a slap in the face and a hug. That's like what I feel like my brand is and this is what this book is and I give it to you. And if you're reading it, you will get this too. Or you can listen to me if you don't know how to read. Like me. Let's fucking date. Right. I love you so much. I love you. Beyond. This is so fun. This is so fun. You should be like your co-host. You should be my co-host. It's like you should just read me the book for the next 19 episodes. That could be fun.

I know. A little story done so much. I'm gonna like not smash this weekend because of Serena. By the way, you can totally smash, but you want a partner. Yes. Let's smash up to your day three. Okay. All right, guys.

I love you all and I'll see you next week. Bye. Buy the fucking book, yo.