Extra Dirty with Hallie Batchelder - Paige Lorenze: Addressing the misconceptions + spilling on her new era

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

This week, Hallie is joined by creator, entrepreneur, and founder of Dairy Boy, Paige Lorenze! The two reminisce on how they first met on Nantucket and dive into everything from Hallie's reality TV dreams to the art of being a business-savvy “it girl.” Paige opens up about her straight-edged ski racing years, her down-bad New York era, and how she’s now fully in her aligned, Connecticut-fiance era. She shares the real story behind building Dairy Boy from the ground up and her engagement to Tommy. They talk weddings, WAG life, and why they only really want to go out with gays these days... Paige also gets candid about misconceptions, criticism, and the many faces of modern feminism. Enjoy cookies!!!   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This might be psychotic, but I kind of view a first date as an interview. It's like interviewing someone to bone. What are you, little freaks? Okay, guys, I'm doing something really stupid right now. We have an emergency debrief situation. Hi, this is Hallie from the streets of New York. Guys, I had every intention of staying in last night. Okay

Okay Okay, Paige The rent Welcome to texture dirty Thank you I'm so excited I am so honored to be here Are you thrilled to be here?

I'm so thrilled to be here What's the secret word for the flying cocktails that come in? One new flying cocktails Wait Oh, there they come Oh, I see them. Cheers, cause.

Ooh. Who made these? Delicious. Holy fuck. You guys so good. Wait, I'm going to down it. Are you actually? Maybe.

This is a contest. Oh, fuck. Remember when we did that? It's really good. Yeah, we did that. Remember? Oh, yeah. When we were making that TikTok.

Yes. And we're drinking the same drink. And you kept wanting to retake the video. Yeah, but you threw up and I did it. And I threw up in the bathroom at a restaurant. Yeah. Yeah, but okay, Paige, you don't do many podcasts, so I feel honored that you're sitting here with me. I don't do many podcasts.

I know, are you nervous? I'm honestly not, which is more concerning. No, I wouldn't be nervous. This is a safe space. Let's start from the beginning. When I was born in Boston, Massachusetts. No, I want to start from, like, where did we meet? I think I met you or knew about you before you knew about me.

You've not talked about this. No. Hallie has been famous for a very long time. True. It is true. No. Yes. But continue.

You've always had star aura and you've always been that girl. That's so kind. But I really mean it. Even if we weren't friends, I would undeniably say that about you. But like, why did you think that? What was your first impression to me? You were pretty. You were vivacious.

Vivacious. Yeah. You're really larger than like, like truly, that's why I think that you're doing what you're supposed to be doing because you're truly someone that just has aura around them. Like you are someone that people want to get to know. You've got like a lure about you. But you've always been like that. So I know you were. So backstory, Hallie and I both grew up going to Nantucket Island. Yep. It's a very small island. And I think you were just very known on the island for being fun, being hot. I would go out to the bars a lot. But you were one of the cool girls. And I wanted

to be your friend. And we worked right next to each other. And I remember the first time there was this guy that was dating one of my friends and he was DMing you and you knew that. He added me on Snapchat. Okay, which is even worse. Yeah, he added me on Snapchat and I immediately was like, did not end up back and I told someone. I told your friend. Yeah. I was just like, I think he is a girlfriend and I was sad for her, I guess. And I wanted, I didn't want to tell her. I just didn't really know what to do. And is that how you found out about me? Well, yeah, because I was kind of in that friend group of the girlfriend. But I just found it was so interesting because you were the one that was honest and upfront about it.

And you were like having this girl's back. But like I feel like you were made almost like the villain. But that's always how it goes. And I did learn from that situation. I think in general in situations like that, you're never going to come across girl to girl. Girls are way meaner to girls than guys are. Girl and girl crime rate. I talk about all the time.

Yeah. Girls are really mean, and I think I thought I was doing the right thing, but in reality, I think I probably ended up hurting more feelings by trying to do the right thing. Yeah. That's happened to me even in my adult life. Yeah. Trying to, I feel like, you know, be real about a situation, confront a situation. A lot of people aren't either there or want to hear it or so I've just, I'm very unconvertational now, I feel like in my life. You're unconvertational now?

I would say. Yeah, I feel like you don't like confrontation. I just don't like problems with anyone. I'd rather have, yeah, nothing with someone. Like, I would rather fake get along with someone than have an issue with someone. So you don't like the drama. No. I like drama. You do? A little bit. You definitely, it's funny, Hallie will be having an issue with someone. I'll be like, just text her or call her. Like, there's nothing that can't be solved. And she's like, no. Yeah. See, I'm the type of person and my mom's this way where if I feel like anyone, even a little bit upset at me, I'm calling them. And even if this person hurt me really badly, I'm like, how can I apologize? How can we make this better? I just like don't like, it weighs

on me. Yeah, I just don't like having difficult conversations. Sometimes I just like push them off because then I don't want to get like worked up. I would rather have a difficult conversation and make up with someone than have any sort of animosity with someone. Even someone that I don't really like. I would rather just be cool. But I feel like some people like contrast and confrontation and thrive off of it a little bit. Yeah. Maybe you do a little bit. Well, I just like, I don't know, drama is always entertaining to me. I love, love watching reality TV, and I think part of it's from that. Would you ever do reality TV? Yeah, I would. You would? I would. I would be housewife if someone would If anyone's watching this, someone needs to do a show on Hallie and her family on Nantucket. I don't know if

A Dairy Boy needs to open a production company and do that show. Maybe you should. Maybe we will. Oh, my God. We can milk cows. We go on Antucket. Well, yeah, weren't you just looking at spots on Antucket for Derry? Yeah, so we're going to open a store next summer on Antucket.

We thought it'll be huge. I'm so excited. You told me off camera. Yeah, I'm really excited. I think the island doesn't have something in our price point at our quality. And I think for young shoppers and honestly, an older demo, it'll bring something fresh. to the island. I'm just really excited. I also feel like Nantucket is such a world. Like there's truly nothing aesthetic-wise that's so authentic and true to New England than Nantucket. And I feel like

that lends itself so nicely to Dairy Boy. And you like know exactly what that aesthetic is. Yeah, I also worked retail right on Nantucket. So I feel like I know what shoppers want. Yeah. That experience working retail. I know you worked retail too. But I feel like in a way subconsciously is so good for being a creator and an influencer because I know. how to move product. So, yeah, I think that gives us an edge. I know there are a lot of creators that worked retail. Like, Hallicate, worked it for people.

I think a lot of people should work retail to understand, like, the beast that it is. 100%. But also just like females in our emotional IQ, like the way that we can sell to people and relate to people, I think is so interesting. And it's a good skill. Yeah, it's great skill. Even if it's just like working behind a desk at a little shop on Antuckia. What other jobs did you do before you started influencing?

I worked a lot. I went to college in New York City, and part of the reason why I wanted to go to college in New York City is because I knew I could get like a real big girl job while I was in college. I was a nanny. I worked at crew. I was a hostess. I was a sales associate. You were a crew hostess for like a week. I think it was the same summer. Probably. And you quit before I got there. I think I was filling your shoes. I really didn't like it because I felt like. I felt like. I wanted tips. What am I doing? For no tips.

For no tips. Like one thing about me is I like to make money. And that's on period. I love to make money. And the hostess thing was not bringing the coin that I was looking for. It was a lot of hard work. A lot of like feeling like the small little fish in a pond. Like you were literally the bottom of the barrel for like $12.

an hour. And you know what I think it is? I think waitresses deal with so much honestly harassment from especially men. Yeah. It's like a bunch of rich entitled men. They're getting off their yacht and they're going to crew. And I think I could deal with and, you know, deal with and play off of the sort of rudeness of men when I'm getting a tip. But when I'm dealing with that rudeness without a tip, that's a wrap for me. No, that's a wrap. That's a wrap. I worked at crew. And then I would finish my day shift at crew. And I was wearing like this little white t-shirt and like really skinny white jeans. Oh, the Michael Corse outfit.

Yep. The Michael Horse outfit. And I would look like a 16-year-old and I was like 25. And then I would head over for there and I would go to galley and make literally, I'd probably make $90 in a full day from like 11 a.m. to 11 at night. Yeah. It was really fucked. The cool thing about Nantucket, everyone works. Everyone works.

Even the trust fund babies. I was not a trust fund baby, but even the trust fund babies all worked. I think it's important to work either in retail or the restaurant industry because I feel like it humbles you and it kind of teaches you like work like work. Yeah, 100%. That's what I like about Nantucket, though, is like right when you can start working, everyone gets a job. Yeah. It's like one big country club. It is. How many summers did you spend out there before? Like we never hung out there. I know. I'd like see me out and I'd be cross-eyed. You know what it is? I think the Boston families stick together. And then I was sort of like, from Connecticut and Vermont. Do you know what I'm saying? But like I feel like you didn't go out that much. I didn't. I was very straight edge. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about that. Okay. Let's talk about that. You're a very straight edge. I was. I was a ski racer going to a ski racing academy and I felt like my parents were putting so much money into me being an athlete. And I felt like the right thing to do was to be really serious about that. Also, I was just very focused. I was really focused as a young girl and the things that I

found fun were different when I was younger. Like, I love to fish. I love to surf. I liked horseback riding. Horseback riding. But I truly, I've always had a great relationship with my parents and I think I always respected how much they sacrificed for me. And in a different way, ski racing is a very expensive sport. It's sort of similar to horseback riding where I knew how much they were sacrificing for me to be able to chase my dreams. And the least thing I felt like I could do was not drink and not be a problem in high school. Yeah, that's probably why we didn't cross-pass. I was not invited to any of the cool parties. I knew about you guys, but I wasn't invited. But that's why. I would have invited you. I know you would have. But would you come.

Probably would have been scared. But I think that's why, I don't know, obviously I feel like I've always, like, known about you or known who you are. So seeing you in this career, even when you are like, I don't even know what I'm doing. Like, I know what you're doing. And I know that you are in what you're in your calling. Like, I truly think. When I was first starting this and starting to first like taking posting online seriously, I do remember you being like you have it. Like you have the soft.

I say. And you predicted the whole thing. I did predict the whole thing. I also think that there are people in this industry with, like, aura. And I think there's serious. I love her use of aura. But seriously, what's, like, there's no other word. Like the special sauce.

The special sauce. And I think you have the special sauce. I mean, there are so many beautiful women that don't have the special sauce. And you know who is the most special sauce? Guess. The celebrity. Who, like, gets like a bit of hate. But I think it's related to her aura.

Wait, I know this. Think about someone who's really tea. that gets a lot of hate. Megan Fox? Help. Literally help. Haley Beaver. She is so tea.

She's so T. She's so influential. She's such a good person. I just watched her episode. She was on Owen, Owen Thiel's podcast, and she was just such, like, a normal. She is. I mean, I've met her in person and been a supporter of hers for a long time. And I think she's a great example of someone with ORA.

influence and style and charisma that I think is is killing it obviously but and she's crushing it she has her business and she's right but just people like that you know it's it's yeah but yeah I see that for you and I'm so happy for you yeah I just sometimes I you know I want to stay like it's hard sometimes it is hard sometimes I understand it like yeah but I would imagine that even like people like her that are way bigger than us. You know, it's... She's gotten more hate than any of us combined. Yeah.

The tides are turning a little bit, though, I think. But the tides are turning because I think she kind of just, like, leaned in and just... Yeah, and I also think that the truth always prevails. I think... I like that. It really does. I think because in this industry, you can virtue signal so much about being a good person or putting out things that make you seem like you're a good person or if you're supporting

the right causes. but I think truly your experiences you have with your community, real people, friendships, always like come forth, even if there's like really hard times. You know? Yeah. Like if you know that you're a good person and that you're not anything that, you know, I mean, I feel like both of us, everything has been said under the sun about us. Yeah.

Truly. But I feel like I've said it first. But like, you're definitely, you are, you, I mean, yeah, I love that for you. like you're so ahead of it. And I feel like you clock yourself before anyone can clock you, which is something I don't really do. I feel like I don't get online and I'm not super vulnerable online. I'm like, you come from a different era of like influencer though. I feel like you protect her peace a lot more. And I think that's something maybe I'm going to learn eventually that I should do. But I will say you can destroy my piece. But I'll say in criticizing myself,

I think if you are not, if you are not putting out a narrative about yourself about certain things and certain topics, someone will make it sort of for you. It's like fan fiction. Well, there's a lot of that. There's a lot of like lore, fake lore and fan fiction. But I think I think that's something that since I'm not really on TikTok, there's a lot of people are just curious about I'm a business owner, right? I've had public relationships, I'm marrying a tennis player and I think a lovely, lovely, lovely man.

But I think that there's really a lot of just curiousness and there's curiousness in the, like, there's love curiousness and there's hate curiousness. You move more mysteriously. Maybe a little bit. I think on my YouTube I don't, but I think I'm not putting that always, that foot out there that is, you know, about my businesses, about who I am as a friend. who I am as a daughter, you know? And I think I know, and in my real life and in my business, I know who I am.

I know, you know, I respect the industry, the people around me. I feel like I'm obviously a good person. But I think that always prevails. And I think that's what's important. And I know that you sometimes go through these like riffs online. But I think what's important to us and how I get. through it and how I know that you get through it is just, I think it's a lot more hard when people are calling you out for something that you actually are, right? That hurts a lot more. And that's

why I feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. I've gotten a lot of hate online, but I still feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing because you don't want to be bullied into being inauthentic either, which is something I try to convince myself. That is a huge, huge thing happening, I think right now. Because people want you to be, it's like you can't win either. It's like, you're not being your authentic self or you're being authentic. It's either you're lying to appease to a certain group of people or. Yeah. I refuse to do that.

Well, I love that. And I look up to you a lot in that way. I think you're very vulnerable. I think you're very real. I think that's why you have such an amazing community behind you. I think that's why unwell, you know, had the amazing opportunity of even signing you. I think you're a really unique talent. Thank you.

I think you're one of a kind, obviously. Oh, you're so sweet to me today. But I think it is really hard. And I think also something that people, I mean, I think your diehard girls know this, but you're really smart. And I think a lot of people, maybe because you talk about sex or you're very funny, but you're very smart and you're very self-aware. I mean into like the, I definitely lean into different personas, but like behind the scenes,

I like, but I actually think it's much more challenging. I think it's much more challenging to be so authentic. And to say shit that, like, is real. And sometimes people won't agree with it. But I think that's way more challenging. You need to start a brand. I mean, seriously, I've literally tried to sit her down and give her a pitch deck for all the brands that I think she could start.

But when you- You want me to come up with an alcohol brand. A lot of things, that being one of them. It would be good. I just think you- I keep saying we'll do it together. Yeah. Please call me anytime.

Yeah. But for now. But for now, we're doing this. I asked I asked Hallie to be in our campaign that kicks off our Black Friday. It's a drop before Black Friday. It's these, it's this

blue milk bottle. Sit up. The milk on the ass. This should be our clip art. But yeah. And I think, I don't know, I think so cozy. Also, I've always been the biggest supporter in your brand.

You have been so supportive of me. You're such a good friend. Something all of you guys should know about Hallie. I truly, I mean, I think people know this about you, but you're such a good friend. I think I do hold very high standards for my friends. I have a very, I mean, I have my childhood friends. So them setting the bar for my friendships is great, but it's also challenging because I have a hard time letting new people in. But you are loyal. You're smart. You're caring. You are so supportive of all your friends. You are present. You're really great. But this was one of the reasons I've never like had someone be in my campaigns before. It's always been

models or myself. No, I think we crushed it. We crushed it. And also we look like in all them because we're related. We're related, which a lot of people don't know about us. We are actually related. That's crazy. So I found out about this because my mom randomly, it was like a random Tuesday. She goes, you know you're related to Halley, right? That's such a random Tuesday thing to say. And I was like, what? What? What do you mean? Yeah. And, you know, I feel like I was expecting, you know, 15th cousin once removed.

No. My grandmother's middle name is your last name. That is so insane to me. So my mom is from Boston. She's from Weston. Okay. Went to Nobles. And my grandma is a Whitney from Boston, which is like a big Boston family.

Yes. And, yeah. And my dad's. grandmother. Let's call my mom. It's from Milton. It's some connection there. We're calling the Nance. Call Nance, yeah. Hey. Hey, mommy. Hey, Nance. Hey. Okay, so can you give us the tea on Hallie and I being related? Okay, so. Oh, she's ready. She's ready. I got the tea. Oh. So my mother's name was Margaret Batchelder Whitney. Her mother. that part is was a bachelor that was her maiden name wait so her mother was margaret bachelor

before she got married wait so we're like third cousins no second cousins second cousins no i think it's third because remember we because there's me in between right that's when you start getting cousins crazy mom yeah i know it's insane we should do that's why the jaw line no that's why we're snapped, but we also get a lot of injections. I don't have dotline injections, clocking. Well, you don't? No. Master Botox? No, never. Never. I do. Sorry, she doesn't claim it, but I do. I did get filler once right here. Really? But it kind of made me look like handsome Squidward, so I did dissolve it. Oh my God, that was like my whole thing on that it was Hansen Squidward. I kind of loved it.

We've both been called Hansen Squidward. Sorry, Mom. We're still here. That's her right. So that's the, uh, that's the connection. Very cool. I love it. That's my blood right there. Goodbye, mom. Bye, mommy. I love her. She's so precious. Wait, that is actually insane, though.

Wait, so we're, yeah, we're related. We're related. But you know what's weird? We never cross pass in New York City. You know what's scary? Well, I left. I left New York. I know, and I want to talk about that because why did you leave me with everyone else?

Yeah. You know what? My own cousin. I love the family. I think that being a creator is a really interesting job. And I know that you feel like all the things that come with that. The feeling weird about your purpose, the feeling unfulfilled, the feeling like, what am I even doing? What am I, you know, it's a really odd job.

And I think I struggled with that. And I struggled with the content that I was putting out when I lived here. And I felt like, you know, while I did feel like I was doing what I was supposed to be doing, which is creating and building a brand and then building a business, I didn't feel like it was the brand and the business that I actually wanted to build. So I thought about it. And it was pretty clear to me where I needed to go and what I needed to do. And it so aligns with where the whole brand's gone.

And I think I was just interested in being. more authentic. I think I was living in New York, feeling inauthentic, feeling like whether it was, you know, all I was really doing was shopping or getting my hair done or creating content that didn't really inspire me. And I think I'm really good at recognizing when I'm going down a bad thing or a bad path. And also, when I was getting hate online, I was also going through some public relationships, which are always challenging. But I think when I looked at myself in the mirror, I wasn't really aligned with that person in my, like, spirit and my, my, my, who I really was. And I think that was really hard. And I think I'm a big believer and you have to be your

best self-advocate. And I took it really seriously. And I also, like, even when I was down bad crashing out in New York, I always would have bet on myself. Like, even when you were, you know, when I had no confidence, I still had confidence in that if I put myself in an optimal position to succeed, I can do something great because I know what it takes to be great. And I think I knew that I was never going to be great in New York. And I left and it like all flourished. And I mean, I'm still working on, you know, myself and things. And I mean, my life isn't perfect. But I mean, you've known me since before I was a creator. I've seen me through a lot of errors. Yeah. And I think I'm actually really happy

and I actually feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing influencing what I'm supposed to be influencing what I'm supposed to be influencing also just like a level of authenticity in what I'm doing Yeah I've seen you through like so many phases

of self-discovery and it's been like really fun to see because I do remember you know I've just seen you like kind of go through this like windy path and it's so nice to see you like I feel at home now and you're with your person 100% and I think I think something else that's underestimated is doing that self-discovery

and while you know your 20s being documented online you know is challenging yeah you make a lot of mistakes and you make a lot of mistakes that's what your 20s are for of course I mean right we all go through those phases and things and date um some of us publicly some of us not but I don't regret any of those things even if I did make a mistake or I did, you know, get three syringes of filler in my lips and then have to dissolve them all. Like I, although I look back at pictures and I'm like, who the fuck was that? That looks fucking crazy. But like, I don't actually regret any of that. And it's character building. It's character building, but it's also like, I know I'm doing what I'm supposed to be

doing. Like, I get like shredded online for these like old pictures of me and I'm still like, yeah, clock it. Like, okay. It's just like part of the building blocks, but like look where you are. Part of the building blocks. Also, like, I'm not scared to dive. full like two feet into anything like if i'm doing something i'm fucking doing it yeah like if i'm doing new york that is fucking doing new york and i'm doing connecticut i'm doing connecticut and it's why i think i'm successful in business because it's like i'm not half-assing anything and i think your audience feels that which is why i feel like you've built such a strong community of people because they're like oh if she's doing this she's like 100% in yeah like 10 toes down yeah and i think that's yeah and i

I think that's how life should be. And it's so exhilarating as a woman. Like getting on a meeting or getting on a Zoom call with a brand that I'm collaborating with in a partnership or a business venture. People know that I'm fucking serious. I know. And when I say I'm going to start something that I'm going to do it. And if I'm going to put my hell back into something, it's probably going to work.

And although people like, you know, the critics, like, oh, it's just a merch brand. Can we talk about the... But like, I'm running like a... massive business and sorry can we talk about the origin of yeah boy because i i feel like a lot people forget this that that it was like it's where it started to where it is now yeah like yeah can you explain that a little bit yeah so i always wanted to start a brand i think you know i at a very young age working in retail saw even before i think large corporation saw the value in Instagram. And I knew that that was going to be new age marketing. So I knew that if I

developed a following, I could eventually develop a community that I could eventually develop a brand. And I didn't have a full-fledged idea of what that would be. And I think that is something I do want to like, you know, lend to and give light to in this conversation is that I didn't have a full idea of what, you know, Dairy Boy was going to be necessarily. I mean, I didn't even know my brand was going to be called Dairy Boy. It just happened that way. But I know I wanted to start a brand. And I think it's way more important to get your idea out there and start something, even if it's not perfect, than it is to like sit on something. And because if I didn't start Derry Boy and do it, I would be sort of like a step behind in a way. Because there are so many people starting

brands now. And I'm not saying if you were watching this and you want to start a brand start a brand. It's the best thing I ever did. But like I listened to my gut at a very young age and like now I have like a very successful large business. You also like which I respect, you listen to like any little critique that is made on any of your drops. And then you go, okay, I'm going to take that. I'm going to make it just that much better. And that's I think that's why it's been able to flourish and make it. Yeah, definitely. And I think also like I'm very realistic. Like I know what I'm selling and I know what I'm doing. And I think in the beginning when It was camo hats and I was printing on blanks that were not mine.

They weren't a cut and sew garment. It was just like a community thing and it was be a part of this because this is what I want to be building. I also feel like I was making camo at a time that it wasn't like cool like it is now. And I knew, you know, I knew that there was this interesting intersection with masculine things with a woman's touch. and in this like American tangible outdoorsy thing that like you know you might steal your dad's hunting jacket or your dad's sweatshirt or your dad's car heart jacket yeah but then you might crop it

and I think there's something really like sexy and cool about that and I that's what I did when I was younger my ski jackets my gear that I wore whether it was skiing hiking hunting I felt like I was making it hot in a way when I wore it and I felt like there were no brand designing into that, specifically like sport and fashion. I've always been interested in sport and fashion. And when I started with camo, with Dairy Boy and just like outdoor gear, that was the vision. I also worked at a ski shop. So I worked at a ski shop where they were selling men's gear to women. And I thought there was nothing hotter than that. Like there is nothing hotter than a woman. Yeah. I mean, I love the same thing. I know. That's why I wanted you to be in this

campaign. Like there's nothing hotter than a woman, like a true woman wearing something menzy. Yeah. I mean, we're seeing fashion brains across the board lean into sport and into men's wear in general. But that was a part of my upbringing. Yeah. So I leaned into that with Dairy Boy even before I had connections in the garment manufacturing world. Again, I had the idea before I had the infrastructure. So I was printing on blanks. I was, you know, someone made a video of it like peeling off. I was like, yeah, no shit. Like I'm literally getting this. I'm buying this blank and shipping it out of my garage. Like, you know. And I was. But I wasn't scared of that. And I wasn't scared of that. And I wasn't scared to learn. And now all of the connections that I have built are mine. Like, I bootstrapped the whole business. Like, yeah, I made some mistakes. But like now the quality of our garments is amazing. Our price is amazing. We have two in-house designers, production person, merchandising person. Like, nothing is drop shipped. We are doing the work. And everyone who actually buys our products that is not like a bot online. saying that our quality is shit. If you buy our products, you know it's quality. Yeah. I can sleep at night knowing that. And to be honest, we have 200,000 people on our site per drop. We're selling out over sometimes 30,000 units. In the pop-ups, we have, but like I have

hundreds of thousands of happy customers and hundreds of thousands of direct feedback from people who are actually supporting my brand. I'm stoked. Like, I go to sleep at night and I, And I'm like, I'm happy with that because also I've, I have hired an insane team around me. I mean, even Rachel, who's in the room with me, my CBO. I love Rachel. I, you know, she was a big part of my life at WME and my literally ran my whole business at WME. I scooped her up and she's a part of my team.

I have a new CEO. Yeah. I have a design director. Like also like you only are as good as your team. and like I'm building this like the level of people I'm putting around me it's just like the sky is the limit for me I feel like I watch you do that and I'm like oh here we go we're about to level up again 100 but I love like I love leveling up on myself like the sky is the limit I have incredibly I'm an incredibly ambitious person and when you're really ambitious

I think this is also maybe a misconception about me I do block people online a lot like truly I love the block. But I love blocking. I've gotten tagged in so many videos being like, page Lorenz blocked me online. Like you probably did something. But by the way, by the way,

I am never blocking people off or like off of if they like a post about whatever. Like I'm just blocking. I'm just blocking if I see something that I think is sideways. Like if I think you're suss, I'm blocking. But I think there's a misconception that I don't take criticism well. And I think in the beginning of my career as an empath, it was really hard for me because I'm really like even when I do misstep I'm always like trying

to do the right thing yeah um I've not been perfect and like I've not handled situations perfectly but like I'm really always trying to do the right thing and I'm the first person to apologize if I do something like that's not me like I will and you've learned from every one of those experiences but like people like the the any criticism I actually think is is really good and interesting. And it's a good conversation to have. And I think I'm not deterred by that because my business is doing so well and it's been proven to me that like there can be 110 videos made about my business and the quality

being bad and my sales will be up. Yeah. Like those bots don't actually matter, which I also think is an important thing for you to know because you're not selling goods. Like I'm selling good. So I have like very interesting analytical data of like how hate affects business. And I can firmly tell you, the hate that I've gotten has never impacted my business once. The confidence that I get is from what I'm actually building because I think what's hard about

Instagram and TikTok and even a podcast, it's not always tangible, right? It's not physical goods that you're moving. It's like eyeballs. And views and conversation. So it doesn't feel as real sometimes. And I think what's really grounded me is like people that don't like me or think that I'm whatever they've, whatever version of. myself they've made up about me but I am I am succeeding in business and I'm getting you are a good person and like right but I'm also getting through to people yeah that's all that matters like if the

majority of the people are feeling good from me and want my product and want to be a part of the dairy boy world like I can live with the like 10% that you know don't love me yeah and I think that that's why I always encourage you to like start I mean you are I mean this is a brand but starting a business and Being an entrepreneur. Yeah. I think I'm in a little bit of a different, like, um, phase of whatever than you are. Right. I've been doing this for like six years.

For like a lot longer than most people have. I always like consider you like an OG. I've been in the game for a long time. You were like the game. Like it was like you and like two other girls. Yeah, it's true. But no, I appreciate that. But I'm excited to like keep pushing even you to expand what it means to be a brand owner

and a business owner. No, I know. And I always come to you for advice on everything that could be like very little to like. Yeah, any little thing. I'm like, wait, how do I handle this situation? And you've always never been wrong about all your answers about that. I also think you have a very good support system around you. Like, I'm very grateful for my family and my parents. Yeah.

They were doctors, but like my mom has been a huge part of my life. My dad has been a huge part of my life. I know you're very close with your parents. You have great, hardworking, successful parents. And I think you are, this is just the beginning for you. And I think that even, I mean, I think your dad would even be an asset to like helping you grow. No, yeah. Whatever it is.

We've discussed. He's going to come on the pot eventually. I cannot believe he hasn't been on yet. The fact that I talk, the half the stuff I talk about is kind of like outlandish and out of pocket. He's just like so supportive. He's like, get that money, like make it. Like, he's just like, whatever. You know what it is?

I also think he has a sense of humor. Yeah. And I think that you do that so well. And I think sometimes maybe people are like, don't get the gag of it all. No, people like think I'm like not, it's not clocking to me. It's not clocking to you that I'm standing on business. It is clocking to me that I'm standing on business. You just don't know.

I portrayed this kind of like dumb character. You're one of the smartest people that I know. Oh my God, that's so sweet. Yeah. Can we talk about your wag stuff for a little bit too? Sure. You being, obviously you're getting married to Tommy Paul. Yes.

The most amazing sweetest man ever. But I feel like other than your business, because I feel like your business is the majority of what you're doing. This is like a small percent, but an important percent of what you're doing. Yeah. How is that looked? it's been really cool because I feel like you are elevating in that world too definitely you're the wag oh I appreciate that thank you it's so cool to see so many fashionable interesting woman around this

sports space I mean even in tennis there are so many hardworking amazing women F1 football such a fan of honestly what everyone is doing around I think what's been really cool for me is I was a ski racer. So I went to a boarding school, a ski racing academy. And sport, I was, like, that's who I was when I was younger. So being able to still have that be a part of my life, which I think really has made me who I am today. Yeah. Still be a part of my life is really cool. And then to be able to make it a part of my content is even cooler. And also, since I am living this Connecticut life where I'm,

not dressing up very often. I think it's been a really nice avenue for me to add layers to my content of I'm really only getting dressed up when I go to tennis. So it's, I think, again, it's like a layer of my business. Is there any way where like your aesthetic with Dairy Boy and the style you choose to dress up for these events, they overlap in any way? Yeah. I think that's what's really cool about Derry Boy is it's it's not just one thing yeah it's it's a girl who will be at the barn on Friday getting her hands dirty but then on Monday she's at Wimbledon wearing Chanel yeah because then you do a specific piece for yeah yeah I just have fun with what I do and I don't really put myself in a box and I think that women are really capable women are really capable

of being both things and I think in the world of very hyperesthetic Pinterest, clean girl, rich girl, old money, it's way more authentic and interesting to be a lot of different things. And I think I grew up, you know, my mom played tennis. I grew up on Nantuck. I grew up in New England. So the sort of country club tennis courtside style is not unfamiliar to me. I would say I grew up a little bit more woodsy and Vermonty, but I think it's been really fun to find my personal style through tennis. And Tommy, He's been so supportive of me creating tennis content. I think I went really all into the tennis content and it was cool but I also felt like again when I do something I like to do it like

110%. Yeah, you want to make it perfect. I want to make it perfect. It went really well. Honestly, my tennis content like performs the best of like all my content. But I also was sort of like, to be honest, again, I've said this before but like being a wag is the most least interesting thing about me, I think. Yeah. And I think I don't want to make it like too much of my personality because it's actually impossible for me to do everything 100%. It's impossible for me to be making the best tennis content, the best entrepreneurial content, being in every campaign for Dairy Boy, being a homemaker, being at the barn. Like, again, it's like a lot. So I've sort of like been trying to figure out, you know, how to refine that. And also just like I care about creating content

that's valuable to my community. Like, if they told me, I like your tennis content the best, it's super aspirational for me. I love the fashion. I'd be like, you know what? Like, let's do it. Yeah. I'm, like, very, I'm very in tune emotionally with what they are saying. What do you think, like, the people that follow you, like, to see the most out of you?

I think they... You have, like, a lot of hobbies. I do have a lot of hobbies. You're like a professional hobbyer. And then you're, like, barebacking on some horse, and then you're making possible. I'm like, what is going on? Like, I don't, I know, I can really get up and walk to the bathroom. But I think, I think people can tell when you're being authentic.

Yeah. But that's challenging because authentically, I actually am interested in all these things. So, to be honest, I think. Like, you were turning butter on a TikTok. I was. I was. Like, how? I think from me, and this is just like my point of view, I wish, like, I don't know.

I don't have the perfect answer for this, but I think, I think that, I am showing, or I would like to think that I'm showing a different sort of feminism that is you can live a soft life where you like to cook, where you like to garden, where you like to take care of your husband or your significant other, but you are also an entrepreneur and a business owner. You're also financially independent. And you can do both. And I think that that is not really being shown. And I think that that is at the core why my content does really well at home. Because you work hard 24-7. I work a 9-to-5.

But you also are that catering. I'm in the office all week working a desk job. A lot of people also don't know that about me. But I think it's showing like a different life for women. I think a lot of us, especially from New England, you become a lawyer or you work at a bank or you work, you know, whatever deem success for you work at a agency or, you know, there's a lot of different roots for what deemed to be like a successful woman. and I think I showed that you could be a successful woman and it can look different

and that you can be a business owner but live in the suburbs. And I think I lean into being authentic, doing what I actually wanted to do. Yeah. And I think that that resonated with people. So I think our idea of like what successful is living in New York and grinding it out. Yeah. You know, like we're in a society where I think being a boss woman, we're in that sort of era

where it's like people are like supporting it like a CEO is what they call Yeah and I think that that's really cool because I actually do think women are like dominating business and like a way we've never seen before but it doesn't look one way and also you can want a traditional life

and also be you know progressive and be a You can be that soft like girlfriend whatever came into your man And the whole trad wife thing, I also find really interesting and sort of offensive to a lot of women, not everyone, but like Nora Smith, like, I've met her. She is on set modeling for Fendi and Tori Birch and all these high-end brands while also cooking and raising five, ten kids, but also having seven cameras cooking while also

buying her house. Like, there's just so much more. And I think we need to give women more credit that are creating content that are also living traditionally, that it's a choice. And we should also, like, celebrate people who want to live the way they want to live. This is what I was talking about recently, too, because I feel like society, like, when you hit certain ages, you feel like you should be settling down. And I've been, you have, you know me for, like, how many years?

I've been single the whole time. Like, I am not in a rush to, like, meet a man and then, like, be like, okay, I'm 28. Like, this is the guy I'm seeing, like, we should get engaged. No, but you're authentic. You're on your own path. Yeah. And I think that being on your own path is a lot more powerful than the latter. Like, you know what I mean? 100%. I think whether it's you're seeing someone who's already married and having kids and you feel behind or you're seeing someone working at Morgan Stanley and you feel

behind. That is such a thief of like we are all in our own calling. And I think the most important thing to do is figure out what success means to you and go after that. And that looks different for everyone. And I think we follow so many creators now. It's sort of hypocritical for me because I am a creator who wants you, I want you to engage with my content. But like if my content isn't for you, unfollow me, right? Like if block me, that part. But like if find your people and I think cultivate like actually what success means to you

and not just what it means to me or what it means to you. Yeah. Like we have to be individuals because that's the only thing that separates us. 100%. And if we cannot find. that you will never be happy comparison is a thief of joy that part clock that clock that all right let's talk about your engagement okay you just got recently engaged the summer in i did i did are you excited anything you can tell us on that some wedding tea some wedding tea

hmm some wedding tea i was actually talking to my mom about this today i was thinking about asking people to be in my wedding, you being one of them, obviously. I hope so. Click that. You're like this was like the tradeoff. Yeah, put that in the promo. But asking people to be my wedding at my bachelorette. Like if, I don't know.

It's a difficult thing. But then I was like, but I want so many people to be at my bachelorette, even if they're not in the wedding. I think that's okay. I've been recently hearing that people want. want to do that. Inviting a bunch of people to your bachelor's. How fun is that? But like not putting everyone in the wedding. Right. That's so fun. I don't know. I'm, I know. Honestly, the wedding process has been not stressful at all. Well, have you really thought of it? Do you have everything booked?

Oh, I got everything down to the fucking grass. Like, send me a save the day. Do you even know me? Oh, it's coming. Do you want like a big wedding, small wedding? Do you know where you want to get married? Would you consider my wedding big or small? I don't know even know what it. for the general masses, it's considered a large wedding. But I think knowing you and Tommy, I think it's as tight-knit as you could possibly make it. Yeah. Like, I'm not inviting anyone to my wedding that I wouldn't want to have lunch with. I think that is, I think that should be a goal for everyone. Yeah. I think that's great. I think it's a good thing. I also just like, we're also inviting people that, I mean, we're running kind of like everyone that we love,

but we wanted to be a big party. Like, I love parties, not clubs, not bars. I mean, that's fun. You love, like, a band. I love a dance. Like, you see me. Can you cue videos? Guys, I need to say this, partying with page is the funnest thing I've ever done, ever.

And people don't see the side tour ever and often. But going out with Paige is like, sometimes I can't keep up. She's the most fun person going out with ever. I love to dance. Like, the Friendsgiving, you almost try to cancel. I'm not, yeah, I'm not canceling it. I said, not on my watch. I have a Friendsgiving every year and I try to cancel it this year because I was feeling a little bit overwhelmed.

But Hallie said, nope. I said, no, we have to go to sea grape. Yeah, I love to dance. I love a dance. Like, I'm going to be dancing with the gays. We love the gays. Honestly, I only want to go out with gays. It's gays and girls.

I have more gay friends and girlfriends. Everyone, my producer's gay. like everyone in my circle is gay they're just superior marshal they're superior they're superior no superior and just no drama also aura check dancing check vibes check music check i mean i really can't ask for much more they smell nice they're perfect they're perfect human being i think i'm a gay man and a woman body and i've talked i think i might be too sorry tommy yeah but are you excited are you nervous are you scared? I'm so excited. I obviously feel like I'm marrying the love of my life and he's perfect. He's so perfect. Also, I mean, again, if this is just like, this is for the girls,

if you are especially, I mean, obviously it's important either way, but if you want to be an entrepreneur or you own a business or you're doing anything that involves having a business, the person you pick to marry is the most important choice you ever make in your life. Yeah. I mean, even on the other side of things on like the corporate world. I mean, I know Rachel, who's my CBO, would say the same thing. If you are career-driven as a woman or a guy and you don't have a partner that supports that, it's very challenging. Would you ever go into business with Tommy? I, well, I, you know what, no. Well, no, but he is a part of my businesses. Like, there is not a thing that goes by that I don't ask him his opinion on. Even though he is, like, respectfully, bless his heart, he's not like a very

business-minded person, but that is even more valuable to me. Like, oh, you don't really know what you're talking about? Oh, you're not like in the weeds of business and you have this perspective. It's like a third party perspective. Yeah. Like it's honestly, I value his opinion more than anyone. Yeah. He's very simple.

He's very humble and he's not like so engulfed in pop culture and like brands in the brand world. You needed that. Yeah. You need someone that was like, I don't really care about any of the shit. He doesn't care. He doesn't know what. He's a simple for the guy. He's so simple.

But to be honest, Dairy Boy's roots, like, are that. Like, the simple, good pleasures of life. Fishing. Yeah, and, like, the outdoorsy, the emotion, the, like, grittiness, but also, like, he embodies my brand in ways, like, more than even me. I mean, I do embody the brand. But you know what I'm saying. Like, he's just, like, the purest form of, like, a man in a way.

He's just the nicest human being ever. He is. And he's, he's like a good. good, good person. He's humble. He's hardworking. He's American, but in like a very fresh, you know, amazing way. He's, he loves where he's from. He loves playing for his country. Yeah. He's all the things that I embody as a person and then as a brand. So his, his opinion is so valued by me. So I ask him about everything. Even if he, like, throws me a curveball, I'm like, okay, that's like interesting information. Can we switch glasses? Yeah.

Locking in. Oh, fuck. You look cunt. You always look cunt. I have like a sexual crush on page. Anyways, for this next segment, we're doing listener questions. And I'm going to ask you, or basically people submitted some questions for both of us. And let's just go through like four of them because we've really been talking a lot, which I love.

We've been saying. Yeah. I'm going to say it. And then let's both give our two sentence about it. Okay. So the first is top tips for our first date. this might be psychotic but I kind of view a first date as an interview it's like interviewing someone to bone right okay well that's not necessarily how I view it but that's one of the thing

well you're gonna chemistry yes chemistry check vibe check how long do you think you should be at a first date if it's going bad 30 minutes have you ever like dipped out in the first seat yeah but not Not like a bathroom skirt out, but like, yes, I have. Like, you're like Iceland after this? I've skipped dessert, let's just say. I haven't been on dating so long. Oh, wow. Tipsy with gypsy.

Tipsy with gypsy and the motherfucking lipsy. Yay. Kling, clink. Wait, one, two, three. Let's do, let's do it of the crossover. Okay. My mom literally asked me, you're not getting drunk for this. podcast, are you?

It's like, no, why do you think that? You can look at a little. All right, next question. I'm fucked up now. Wait, but, like, I'm so glad you did. I did what? No, like, I got, like, soozy with me. Do I need more lip gloss?

Do I need more lip-pillar? No, Hallie. Do you think it looked better with all the lip filler? Hallie, yes. Can I have a moment? Yeah. There have been some videos about me, of people going before and after.

No one's ever done that with Hallie. They should, though. Because honestly, I want them to see my improvement. No one's ever done that with you because you look the goddamn same. I looked like Godzilla. No, Halley. You've always looked tea.

No, all right, this is what I was trying you before. Also, I just want to say... She's lying. Am I not allowed to, like, glow up a little bit, bitch? No, literally. Clock it. Clock it. Get lip filler.

And see if you look like Hallie. Also, you know... You did to a lot of girls, which I will say. Help. You went bleached blonde, and I think it ruined a lot of girls' heads. I think I owe a lot of girls' compensation with Oliplex. Yeah, with Oliplex. You should be getting...

Yeah. Including me. Because, like, that's like, another thing you were like, the blondes like peaches the wrens and i was like i want to be blonde like peach lorrens and then to be honest fucking had a mullet i i had a mullet too wait holly bachel oh oh wait what yeah and you were like you're so t howley liar wait but also like let's roll up some picks of me because i was also looking for like a vampire back in my day when i was like 15 i was literally face pickmunking my pictures

Do you remember Pick Monkey? Yeah, you don't know. What is Pick Monkey? If you know, Pick Monkey, you know. I was literally editing my photos back in the day. Like, I've been the serial editor. I was editing, I edited. You don't anymore.

I was no, but not, yeah, not as much. I was editing myself so skinny and someone, like, made me bigger. And then is circulating this photo of me for, like, page Lorenz before and after. First of all, you tried to make me bigger, and I think I still look kind of cute. but like I have to say I thought I was Megan Fox I'm not even gonna lie this picture that people were trying to like clock me for like I thought I was so tea

in high school I used to this picture afterwards I look like a vampire but I thought I was giving Megan Fox and Jennifer's body but but do I look very different than I do today yes and then that we thank God no thank God thank God you you don't you have had a glow up since high school help yeah if you literally look the same since high school

like literally praise Jesus also I look It's really hot in high school, though. Hallie, you were so hot. That was my best look. I had a crush on you in high school. Hallie had this brunette, bombshell Victoria's Secret, highlighted Carmel. I just had no eyebrows, but. You were tan.

You had gorgeous hair. You were tall. You had a good personality. I had a crush on you. I wanted to be your friend. But yeah, these bitches that tried before and after me. You've known me since that day, since that era. No, you've gone through so many eras.

But you remember. be back in that day. We can't even talk about all of them. But, like, I think people make it seem worse than it actually was. No, like you weren't that. I think this is your most beautiful self, though. Yeah. And when I put extensions back in, I will be my most beautiful self. But they're going to be darker extensions. But what I'm trying to say is, people think that I got like a face transplant. If you got a face transplant, people would be begging for your surgeon. I mean who like what who's clocking for that some people but it's okay all right how soon is it and I'm giving you a foot massage now please how soon is it too soon to ask a guy oh wait what you

wait wait wait wait I like this one if you could be a guy for a day what would you do I would fuck so many bitches I'm not even kidding I would whip my dick out. Is that bad? No, it's good. I want to see what it feels like. I want to feel like a boner. That's fair.

What would you do? You'd probably go to like a private equity forum and pitch yourself. That's so true. You would try to sell business. I would. Yeah. What would I actually do? I want to give like a really real answer.

I would just like pee in a urinal. Yeah. I think that would be first stop. I would love to go to a sports. event as a man that sounds so fun and like beat on my chest and like yell for sports team i would love to go to a strip club i do we do that anyways though um it's i feel like being at a strip club is more fun when you're a girl when you're a girl when you're a girl i do too it's like very like girl like we're supporting our career once i gave a stripper my dad's real estate email

because she wanted to get in real estate and she told me that when she was giving me a lap dance in Vegas How soon is too soon to ask what you are with a guy Let me Let me bring you real close on this one Do not ask a man Ever

What you are If you have to ask Run Niche beauty tips We're not that niche I use road I'm like literally the most basic bitch you'll ever me. I use road skincare. It's very smooth. Thank you. I use road skincare. I like makeup by

Mario. Yeah, I'm not niche. I like in beauty products. I love in beauty. They're thick cream, extreme cream. Extreme cream. Just like that. Okay, we need to wrap up this episode. Wait, we need to plug the Dairy Boy stuff. We did that. Oh, we did do it again though. Go ahead. Bye everyone. Chop the Dairy Boy drop. cool. Let's say blue milk bottle drops Friday. No, let's just take the same time. Blue milk bottle drops Friday. Ready?

Blue milk bottle drops Friday. What? Help. It goes, you're also starting a new brand. Your sunglasses brand. I am starting a sunglasses brand. But don't get distracted by that. By the drop tomorrow. Let's end this. All right, Paige, I love you. Thank you.

I love you. You're my sleep. I'm m-cuh. Cousins. comment and I love you all say bye bye subscribe to me and follow me