FACTORALY - E72 TROUSERS

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

From ancient origins to modern styles, from practical purpose to cultural significance, trousers offer a fascinating lens through which to view history, social change, and even language itself. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello Bruce. Hi Simon. How are you today? I'm feeling jolly wonderful, thank you very much indeed for asking. Good to hear and my pleasure so to do and how are you i'm equally feeling not too shabby thank you well that's very good so hello to everyone who happens to be listening to us there are people listening to us yes there are but we're no stranger to that are we we're not because voiceovers are listened to a lot and that's what we do yes yes indeed um my name's simon wells hello hello who are you me yeah people call me fielding bruce fielding do they no not really is that because that's your name they generally call me oi so here we are we are uh two professional voiceover artists, which is how we happen to know each other

because we network in those areas. But primarily, we are both nerds. We are both lovers of facts and trivia and stuff. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, we know each other through voiceover. We like each other because we're both nerds. There we go. Yeah.

Good way of putting it. We each other through voiceover we like each other because we're both nerds there we go yeah good good way of putting it we came for the voiceover we stayed for the facts exactly and every week we sit here in this wonderful little realm that we call fact orally in which we pick a seemingly mundane subject every week and we chat about it and we pick out the interesting facts and so on. Yeah, generally the subjects, we try and find subjects that are a bit dull. Yeah. What do you reckon about trousers then?

I reckon trousers, well, I do like trousers. Do you? Do you hardly ever go anywhere without them? I'm wearing some now. Are you? In fact, yeah. Well, I can't see obviously

because we're looking at each other on a on a video chat thing yes from the waist up um i i'd like to imagine that you're wearing trousers as well you might not you might be wearing your kilt well yes i mean you know the the kilt does come in handy especially the utility k. That's very handy. So trousers. Trousers. How long have trousers been around? Do you know? About 36 inches.

Right, okay, yeah. That's generally how long mine are around as well. I don't know. Are they Egyptian 3,000 years old or Roman 2,000 years? I mean, how old are they? It always seems to come down to those two options, doesn't it? In this particular occasion, Chinese. The oldest pair of trousers that has been found in various excavations and so on are from around the 13th to 10th century BC, which is way older than I would have given it credit for, found in Turpan in Western China. They were made of wool. They had very straight legs and a very wide crotch. And it's been assumed that they were probably created for horse riders.

Yes. Horses seem to have had a lot to do with trousers. I thought you were going to say horses tend to wear a lot of trousers, four-legged ones. No, it seems like horses and wars and battles and fighting have had an awful lot to do with trousers. Yes, it does, doesn't it? It seems, you know, you don't want to be wearing a tunic when you're sitting on a horse. No. And I would imagine, I don't know, would sort of Celtic kilt wearers have ridden horseback? You don't see them too much on horses, do you? They're generally running down mountains. Shouting freedom.

Yes, with blue faces. Yes, exactly. But yes, trousers are useful for horse riding, as you say. You know, sort of if you try to get on a horse wearing a kimono or a long robe or a kilt or anything like that it sort of gets in the way if you just have a nice pair of trousers um then that's far easier i started looking at why do we call it a pair of trousers it's it's one item it's one unit of clothing like a pair of kippers why do you call it a pair of kippers when you buy a kipper a pair of glasses a pair of tweezers a pair of scissors

yes they come as one single unit yes and there are a couple of alternative suggestions for this one suggestion which actually has very very little evidence but i like the idea of is that originally trousers were two separate items you had one leg and you had another leg you put them both on and you tied them together at the waist each of those things was a singular trouser and therefore you had a pair of trousers there is very very little evidence to suggest that this was a widespread thing they did exist but they weren't common yes and therefore that's kind of been debunked um another option is that simply the etymology of the word so trousers spelt as it is

in english first comes around in the 17th century and it comes through sort of irish scottish celtic regions uh the irish had truce the scottish had truce, the Scottish had truse. Yes, as in Donald, where's your trusers? There we go. And a combination of those two words, you had a Celtic word trusas, which ends with an S. And therefore, to us English simpletons, it sounds like that's a pluralized word. Therefore, we called it trousers. And someone suddenly went, why are there two of them? Except, I mean, this may be an American thing that's been pulled over. Sure.

But when you talk about underpants, you talk about a pair of underpants. Yes. And there's no way that you could possibly have two separate things that make them into one underpant. No, you're right. Now, this is interesting. I had a brief look at the American word pants. things that make themselves into one underpant. No, you're right. Now, this is interesting. I had a brief look at the American word pants. And if I take nothing else away from this episode, this is a fact that's going to stay with me for my entire life. I love this fact.

So I don't know about you. I have a tendency to deride the Americans for getting the language wrong. No, never. But it turns out they're actually on the right side of pants. Okay. So in Europe, we had pantaloons. Okay. Pants is a shortening of pantaloons. Okay. And we had pants written as pants being short for pantaloons.

We had that before we had underpants. So underpants are underpants because they went under your pants yes um therefore actually the american usage of pants being trousers goes back longer ago than the word pants used as underpants right so all the times we say oh you can't call them pants we were calling them pants because of pantaloons. And it turns out pantaloon is a theatrical character. There was a fellow called Pantaloon who existed alongside Harlequin and the Clown and so on and so on in the 16th century. And this fellow Pantaloon was quite comical looking and had a particularly flamboyant pair of trousers. And that's why we called them pantaloons.

Comedia dell'arte. Very good. pantaloons. Comedia dell'arte. Very good. Do it again. Comedia dell'arte. Yes. Also the harlequinade. Yes. All of that stuff.

But comedia dell'arte, still, you know, character called pantalon, definitely. I had never realised it before, but there we go. We have pants because of a comedic character called pantalon. There you go. In school uniform terms, I seem to remember the phrase short trousers. Yes. In summer, you would wear short trousers. Yes.

Which is why we have the word shorts, because it's short for short trousers. Yes. So in school uniforms, you get short trousers and long trousers as opposed to trousers and shorts. Yes. So in school uniforms, you get short trousers and long trousers as opposed to trousers and shorts. Yes. So by definition, trousers technically have to end somewhere between your knee and your ankle. Okay. Otherwise, they're shorts. Yeah. And men or women or both? Either or. Not until quite recently. Oh. Well, we talked about horses. And women used to wear a sort of trouser, but they used to wear it underneath a dress. So you'd never know that women were wearing trousers. Ah. And women in trousers is quite interesting. up until about the 70s, it was sometimes against the law for women to wear trousers in offices or classrooms and restaurants in the United States. Up until the 1970s? Yeah. Wow. And the first woman to go into Congress wearing trousers was Charlotte Reid in 1969. Gosh, as late as that. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

And in France, in Paris, there was a bylaw that required women in Paris to ask permission from city authorities before, quote, dressing as men. Oh, my goodness. Including wearing trousers. Yeah. But there were exceptions. If you were holding a bicycle's handlebar or the reins of a horse, you were allowed to wear trousers. But there were exceptions. If you were holding a bicycle's handlebar or the reins of a horse, you were allowed to wear trousers. And the idea was that this

was intended to prevent women from wearing the pantalons, which we mentioned before, which were fashionable with Parisian rebels during the French Revolution. Yes, of course, yes. And that was revoked in 2013. No way. So up until 2013, you could still be done for wearing trousers in public as a woman unless you were holding onto a horse or a bicycle.

Oh, that's so obscure, isn't it? Yeah. Quite recently, actually, in 2014, in an Indian family court in Mumbai, the judge ruled that a husband objecting to his wife wearing a kurta and jeans and forcing her to wear a sari amounted to cruelty inflicted by the husband and was grounds to divorce. Wow. Yeah. Good for her. Yes. It's one of those rebellious acts that, you know, women wearing trousers was a rebellious act.

Yeah. Talking of actually rules about trousers, there was another wonderful rule in Russia. Right. Which was Tsar Peter the Great. In 1701, he passed a law requiring all Russians to wear trousers. Really? With the exception of farmers and clergy. What were they allowed to wear?

Well, I imagine a cassock for clergy. Yeah. And farmers, I have no idea. Maybe just very long wellingtons. How interesting. I have no idea. Huh. So I had a bit of a look at the sort of the different styles of trousers over the years.

And these things I mentioned earlier on found in 3000 BC in China that seemed to be very distinctly trouser-like. Yeah. It suddenly occurred to me that since then trousers have got shorter and then longer again. I took a brief look at breeches. Yes. I've got a pair of plus fours. Of course you have. Do you know why they're called plus fours?

Oh, I used to know this. It's somewhere in the back of my mind palace. No, go on. So they're four inches below the knee. Oh, is that right? You can get plus twos, plus fours, plus sixes. Oh, that's great i thought they were sort of going to be worn by boys who were four years old and over or something like that now i have a pair of tweed plus fours jolly good when was the last time you had occasion to wear them

they've been sitting in my dressing up drawer for quite some time round of golf anybody quite um but yes i had a look at um breeches as they're officially called or britches as they were named in lower classes yeah and these are those sort of trousers that rise quite high up around the waist and then they stop just right on the knee and i automatically think of um the musical hamilton or i think of prince george in black out of the musical Hamilton, or I think of Prince George in Blackadder the Third. Are these the ones that have like a contrasting colour in the pleats? Oh, I don't know about that one, actually. So you see like the guards in the Tower of London.

Oh, I see. They wear breeches, but there's like slightly balloony breeches. Yes, that's right. They have a pleat. Those are very sort of specific breeches. Okay. But you sort of picture any adaptation of a jane austen novel you know picture mr darcy wearing those sort of beige things that stop around the knee and then it's he's got a pair

of stockings or long socks or whatever below the knee those are breeches okay um and they were popular from the 14th all the way through to the 19th century and then eventually we sort of got back to this idea of long trousers and it sort of seemed to happen very abruptly in the 1820s that the previous generation all wore breeches the next generation all wore trousers and Prince Albert was right in between those two eras so there are pictures of Prince Albert in his younger years wearing breeches and in his older years wearing trousers. And it happened very, very distinctly around that sort of early 1800s. You look at pictures from the Punch magazine

or any sort of pictures of politicians or whatever. They're all very much wearing straight trousers with a nice thick crease down the middle. The generation before, they were all wearing breeches and stockings, and they would have sort of looked around at all of these gentlemen wearing trousers thinking, what on earth are you doing, sir? In the times of wearing breeches, when a boy became a man, and he got his first set of adult clothes, he was given a pair of breeches uh it was he was said to have been breached oh uh as a sort of a ceremonial okay here are your breeches you're now a man kind of thing um and breeches were so cool because of the word breach meaning uh a gap or a separation like the

the breach in the hull of a boat yes because these things are in two pieces, you know, one for either leg. So they're breeches. Trousers and the military are quite interesting, aren't they? Yes. I mean, we were talking about sort of, you know, wearing them on a horse and battle and things. They're quite useful. Yeah. Probably the second most important thing after the stirrup. Yes. In terms of fighting on horseback yes uh because you don't want to slide around on a sweaty ass on i'm talking about the horse's ass the horse not the soldier well probably both

actually but yeah so so um there are there are lots of things that have been invented for military trousers. So, for example, you might have seen guardsmen wearing trousers with what's called a cashmere stripe. It's not actually made of cashmere. It's the style of the stripe. Okay. So like this red stripe going down a black trouser. Oh, yes. I picture that.

Yeah. Or in dress clothes, if you're wearing a morning suit or a white tie, you often get like a satin stripe. Or a satin strip down the side, don't you? Yeah, that's right. And interestingly, because that satin stripe down the side of a trouser is reflecting the red stripe down a soldier's trouser, clergymen, because they're not allowed to wear anything that the militia would wear, aren't allowed to wear trousers with the militia would wear sure um aren't allowed to wear um trousers with a stripe on them um in church right okay oh how interesting what if you're at a formal

church related do and you have occasion to wear a tux would they go out of their way to to get tux trousers that don't have the satin stripe down the side yes that's fantastic so there are clergyman specific tuxedo trousers available yes well i don't know i don't know how available or whether you just go and buy a pair of black trousers but yes oh wonderful but i mean you know the in the military the trousers have sort of come on by leaps and bounds and in in the 30s in 1938 the british army created a battle dress and part of the battle dress was what we now know as cargo pants okay yeah so those are like very useful trousers with pockets for things yes the americans will tell you the americans invented them but they were invented in britain in 1938 joy to go us and that is quite a change

isn't it you sort of go back to napoleonic wars and things like that they're all just wearing these sort of plain white slash beige cotton trousers yes must have shown up the dirt terribly yeah sort of chinos yes exactly again 19th century military what chinos are chinos. Yes, exactly. Again, 19th century military. What chinos are? Chinos, yeah. Really? Yeah, absolutely. Why are they called chinos? Were they invented by a chap called Chino? I think it was after the song.

Chino. Chino. Right. Actually, I was talking about women wearing trousers as a rebellious thing. Yeah. There was a suffragette in 1851. She wore these trousers. Okay.

And the sort of trousers that she wore were sort of a bit Turkish trousers. They look like Turkish trousers. Yeah. This woman's name was Amelia Bloomer. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. Is that why we have bloomers? That's why we have bloomers. Oh, oh, do you know what? If I weren't taking part in this podcast, I would be listening to this podcast just because of facts like that. That's wonderful.

Oh, we talked about riding. Yes. Obviously, jodhpurs. Oh, of course, jodhpurs. Yes. I have a pair of jodhpurs. Oh, for goodness sake. Of course you do. Of course I do.

Do you know what? I sleep-bought them. I had a dream about wearing jodhpurs and half-chaps, and I kind of went online and bought them and then went back to sleep. Oh, great. They arrived two days later. Two days later, you get a pair of jodhpurs through the post yeah yeah but jodhpurs are as you can imagine from a place called jodhpur or jodhpur that rather makes sense yes in india and and jodhpurs replaced breeches we talked about breeches

yes okay um so when riding yeah they were felt to be much more comfortable to ride in okay and they were they were adopted by the british from the indians who were wearing them in in in jodhpur and are they kind of i'm picturing sort of a almost like a calf skin suede feel they come in all sorts i mean they come in the sort of same material as chinos they come in quite a quite a thick come in the sort of same material as chinos they come in quite a quite a thick material because you want you know you want to protect yourself from the horse yeah jodhpurs are actually made from twill or as it's sometimes called cavalry twill oh is that right yes brilliant cavalry twill yes

i mean it's not just the army or the cavalry that have their own trousers Cavalry twill. Yes. I mean, it's not just the army or the cavalry that have their own trousers. The Royal Navy has their own trousers too. Do they? Bellbottoms. Oh, yes, of course. There are lots of different theories about why bellbottoms were invented for the Navy. Yeah.

One of the reasons is because if you fall overboard, you want to be able to get your clothes off as fast as possible sure so you need trousers that will slip over your shoes oh i see okay right uh another thing somebody was saying is that you can actually use them as a flotation device because there's lots of material and you can sort of tie the ends up and then sort of trap the air in them and do it that way. But they were introduced into the Royal Navy in the mid-19th century, so about 1860. And they were actually kept, bell-bottoms were in the Navy until 1977 when there was a new uniform for the Navy and that replaced bell-bottoms with flares. Right, okay, yes. But flares, what i quite like about star trek

is if you look at star trek the trousers in star trek because they're technically on a ship yeah are flared yeah that's a great observation just as you were talking about bell-bottoms in the navy i thought oh didn't they used to wear those in in the original series of star trek i don't quite remember whether they were bell-bottoms or flares or somewhere between the two, but they were distinctly fuller in the lower leg. They were. And I think deliberately because it's like a ship. Yes.

And they were a bit short. They didn't sort of hit the ankles very much. No, you're right. There was a boot that they wore as well. Yeah, that's right. And the idea of trousers being slightly shorter, it's kind of around about the 1940s, 1950s. Right.

When the capri pant was introduced. I'm not familiar with that. So capri pants are sort of tight, tight fitting trousers that finish just above the ankle or between the ankle and the knee. Okay. Oh, the sort of specifically ladies trousers. Yes. Yeah. I think they, they oh is pencil pusher uh pedal pushers pedal pushers yes pencil pushers but then there's also sort of workwear sure and there there's a thing which i which i didn't know these existed they

called chainsaw trousers okay never heard of those and chainsaw trousers are slightly thicker yeah as you might imagine but they're designed so that the material um if you hit it with a chainsaw the material actually binds up the mechanism in a chainsaw that stops the chainsaw from working oh really right so the safety trousers safety trousers people using chainsaws they don't let they don't you know it doesn't stop a chainsaw from going through them but what it does is as soon as the chainsaw hits them the chainsaw stops it up and it stops it clogs up oh that's very clever isn't it as i was thinking through all the different types of of trousers i thought to myself you're you're the smart one you're going to be talking about trousers and jodhpurs and yeah things like

that um i'm the casual one and i've always worn jeans i've worn jeans since you know childhood and and wear very little else so i had a little bit of a look around jeans i hadn't realized this this this episode has been full of brand new look around jeans. I hadn't realized this. This episode has been full of brand new facts for me that I hadn't previously realized. Jean material, which again, I didn't really know it was called jean material. Jeans are called jeans because they're made of jean, which is a type of material.

And jean material originated in Genoa in Italy in the 16th century. The French name for Genoa is jean and therefore they became known as as jeans so what's this nonsense about neem right so they came later so the people of neem in france actually tried to replicate that material yeah um jean fabric was a little bit lower quality um a little bit more corduroy-esque it was made of twilled cotton and originally was was made for trousers for the navy because it could be worn wet or dry so it was sort of a you know again it didn't water look no exactly no um but then in neem in france only a handful of years later they tried to reproduce this stuff and their their stuff was a bit coarser a bit higher quality a

bit more hard wearing and it came from neem so it was it was called denim so you have these two names both coming from the origin of the place so jeans and denim wow um and different companies use different material eventually denim proved to be more popular more hard-wearing um higher quality and therefore jeans are all made out of denim yeah um they've pretty much always been blue i think that the jean material originally was just cotton colored because it was made of cotton but very soon they started dyeing them blue because they were so hard wearing they were used by miners quite a lot and they were they were coloured dark blue purely in order to hide the dirt from the mine and they've been that colour ever since they were originally dyed with indigo which was all hand-picked from indigo bushes in Indian plantations, and then eventually turned into a synthetic dye. So they've always been the trousers of choice of the worker, the common man, because they're hard-wearing and they're durable.

Unless you buy really, really expensive Japanese denim jeans. Well, yes, but it's interesting how it sort of changed from one to the other. It used to be a very basic, you know, the Navy wore it, miners wore it. People in India, from a small dockside village in India called Dongari, they used this material to make what became dungarees. Oh, no. Yep. That was around the 17th century. They were very popular, again, in the 17th century in the working classes in northern Italy.

There are an awful lot of paintings from around that time sort of showing dock workers and laborers, and they're all wearing jeans. But it's the 1600s, and you think, wow, they're wearing jeans in the 1600s. But then you get this fella called levi strauss i hadn't realized i i feel a little bit sorry for a fella called jacob davis um so levi strauss and his brother from germany but moved to america they operated a general dry goods store yeah a sort of a hardware store um and then this this tailor from san francisco called jacob davis came along to levi strauss and said hey can we sort of work together i'd like to put some rivets in some trousers because i think it would help them be more durable yeah we'll patent these

rivets we'll put them in the stress points on the trousers um so they got together and did this so davis was the tailor he was the clothes maker he just came to levi strauss for the rivets but as a result of this uh they received a u.s patent in 1873 patent number 139121 for an improvement in fastening pocket openings on trousers um and they they they came up with this entire idea of putting these little rivets, which are the logo, really, of Levi jeans now. But it was Davis who was the tailor. Yes.

I feel a bit sorry for him. Well, the Levi's logo, isn't it? It's a pair of horses trying to tear apart a pair of trousers. Oh, is that right? Yes. Oh, brilliant. Shows how durable they are yeah um and then they sort of made this transition from workwear to fashionable clothing

with the help of james dean uh in the movie rebel without a cause because they were the workwear he was a young rebellious fella who was sort of wearing these everyday trousers and suddenly made them cool. And from that point forward, jeans have just been an absolutely ubiquitous fashion statement. They are what pretty much all of us wear now. When I was younger, there was a big campaign for Levi's, which featured Nick Kamen in a pair of 501s in a laundrette, which became iconic. It's like this famous

commercial of Nick Kamen taking his trousers off in a laundrette. Oh, yes, that's right. And sort of washing them. Because it's all about a pre-shrunk... They dry to fit. Yeah, exactly. So it's all like that pre-shrunk. They dry to fit. Yeah, exactly. So it's all like that.

There's another one with somebody in a bath getting their Levi's to fit. And they've actually just done a new one, which is with Beyonce. All right. Washing her jeans, her Levi's in a lingerie. But the other company that was making jeans at the time was a company called Brutus. If you remember Brutus Jeans. I've not heard of those. You won't have heard of them, but you will have heard the song.

Right. So there's a very famous jingle writer called David Dundas. Right. Who wrote a jingle for Brutus called, well, it then became released as a single and got very high up in the charts. Right. Which sort of, it basically went, I put Brutus jeans on, I pull my Brutus jeans on. So this jeans on song went into the charts. And then a few years later, it was used. And I don't know whether they realized it was originally used by Brutus and then changed

into a song without the word Brutus in it by Wrang by wrangler oh really so wrangler have used it quite recently oh how funny to sell wranglers great um but but the song the brutus jeans song was written by david and uh roger greenaway okay uh roger greenaway was the chap who wrote uh a jingle for coke which went i'd like to teach the world oh that yes so so dundas and greenway who did the brutus thing yeah have a link to coke as well so coke and jeans it's all kind of very right yeah very 50s 50s teenager yeah coolness yeah i mean it's not it's not lip-smacking thirst quenching pepsi is it thank you very much no it isn't you mentioned there the levi 501s um i don't know about the 01 bit but the five comes from the fact that they have five

pockets oh so levi strauss and company invented that pointless little pocket that you have on the right hand side of your jeans that's inside the other pocket which you know you sort of might put tickets or change or whatever yeah apparently originally it was designed as a a watch pocket right hand side of your jeans that's inside the other pocket which you know you sort of might put tickets or change or whatever yeah apparently originally it was designed as a a watch pocket oh that makes sense back in the days when you had a pocket watch yes yeah um so you know originally trousers just had two pockets one one on each side of the thigh levi's um created the four row ones which had two pockets at the back so there are four pockets and then they added the watch pocket making five pockets which is why you get 501s yeah interesting

there is actually an official no pants day oh is there it's an official no pants day oh he's there it's an official holiday right and there's and there's a no trousers on the tube day yes i've heard of that which happens in january so so this episode's going out um just after then yes i think no trousers day was on the 12th or 13th of january this year yeah yeah when basically people just show up on the underground. And the idea is that you don't wear trousers, you're just wearing pants. Men and women. Underpants. Men and women.

And you just pretend that nothing is wrong. So you don't acknowledge the fact at all. You don't acknowledge other people who aren't wearing their trousers. Oh, brilliant. You act as though nothing is happening. Yeah. What fun. Have you taken part?

No, I haven't actually. I quite fancied it. And had this episode been recorded before that, I might have done it. You'd have gone for it. Excellent. What about turnips? Oh, yes, turnips. So turnips were invented, apparently, in the 1890s by Edward VII.

Okay. And he invented cuffs or turnips. They're also called cuffs. Yeah. And they were sort of a stylish way to end a trouser rather than just having it finished. And they sat on your shoes. Yes, that's right. So you deliberately get trousers that were too long so yes turn them up exactly exactly so so turnips

were invented sort of in in the 1890s and they were banned in world war ii were they really well the thing is that turnips use up a bit more fabric than straight trousers and when you've got shortages sure yes i think um i think i seem to remember that uh al capone was quite a fan of turnips if you look at uh look at old black and white photos of al capone and his gangs they've usually got some quite hefty cuffs on on the bottom of their trousers i think the 1930s were were a time for turnips yeah and you could occasionally find coins in them and things. Oh, yes, okay, yes.

Dropped out of your pocket. And they were rather popular in the punk movement as well, weren't they? Yes, exaggerated, exaggerated. Really exaggerated. You can sort of picture, you know, punks roaming around wearing their Doc Martin boots and their jeans are sort of turned up, you know, several inches above the top of the boots. Yes.

You get the full impact of the boots. And the other thing about turning up jeans is that you see the inseam. And sometimes, you know, a lot of work goes into the inseam. And if you turn them up, then you get to see that part of the jean that you wouldn't normally get to see. Oh, that's brilliant. You know, we should have investigated when people switched from fly buttons to zippers. Oh, we should.

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