FACTORALY - E88 NOSES

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Noses. They smell. That's what they're there for. To warn you of bad things, to alert you to good things. To be as plain as they are on your face. In this episode, we dig deep into noses. Not with our fingers, but with our minds! We stick our noses into a foundry of facts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello Bruce. Good day Simon. And hello to everyone listening to us. Hello to you. Hi. Sorry, I'm talking to you, not you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hello you. No, that person there. Yeah, yeah. No, the one. The one wearing the shirt. That's the one. Yes. Hi. Hi. You, personally, that individual there, you know who we are and what we're doing. Yeah. But just in case there are any any stragglers who have only just turned up. Hello, my name's Simon Wells. Yeah, it is. His name's Bruce Fielding and we are here presenting another exciting episode of Factorally. What is Factorally, Bruce? Factorally is something that we came up with just over 18 months ago now. Crikey, was it really? Yeah. Man. And we decided that we, because we were nerds, we would share our wisdom with the rest of the world.

Poor unwitting souls. Poor fools. Yes. So we talk about stuff. Good summary. So today, as you've seen from the icon and the description of what you're listening to, we are going to be talking about noses. About noses? Noses, yes. Who's my nose?

So noses are very useful. Do you use yours? I use mine regularly, yes. What do you use it for? I use it for smelling things. I use it for breathing. Yep. I use it for filtering the air that I breathe, so that it's free of dust and other particles. Do you use it for kissing?

Generally, no. Do you not? No. Because you know about Eskimo kissing? Yes. Do you know it's a myth? Yes. That's pretty sad, isn't it?

It's one of those things that everybody knows about, and it's not true. It's not true. It's from a documentary made in 1922 called Nanook of the North. Oh really? Yeah. I mean everybody talks about Nanook of the North but Nanook of the North was a real Eskimo to do it.

Filmed by a chap called Robert Flaherty. Right, okay. And he made this documentary and in it he sort of talks about how Eskimos kiss by rubbing noses, which is complete rubbish. I wonder if he just made that up or if he saw two Eskimos going, hey, you know what would be funny? We could convince them that we all kiss by rubbing noses. No, he felt his documentary was a bit boring. Right. So he thought he'd add some spice into it by saying when when when Eskimos rub noses, what they're actually doing is showing respect for

each other without having to take their gloves off. Oh okay. Because it's very cold. Hmm. And so he sort of turned this into like a romantic gesture when it's actually just a gesture of respect. Right okay. So they do rub noses but it's not for the purpose of kissing. It's not a kiss. Right it's a greeting. No he also invented igloos. Oh stop it. Yeah so he kind of had this idea that Eskimos built igloos and they didn't really before his 1922 documentary. But now they jolly well do. Well they don't still. Oh really? They basically live in huts. So igloos don't exist. They live in structures.

They do, but not as much as you'd think. That's weird. He also invented them hunting with spears. Okay. Because in 1922 they had rifles. Why would you use a spear when you've got a rifle? Fair point. Yeah.

Oh well. And then this complete charlatan went on from Eskimo. Yeah. And then this complete charlatan went on from Eskimo Kisses and he made another documentary which is also completely full of lies and rubbish, which is called Moana. Oh, really? Yeah. So all of the nonsense around the Pacific Islanders. A lot of that is down to the same guy Robert Flaherty who's made it up. Hmm a lot of that is down to the same guy Robert Flaherty really made it up. Well, it's like tattoos is completely nonsense

But it's in Disney Bruce it must be true So what it what is it as why do we call it a nose? Really boring, it's always meant nose. Old English nozu from Proto-Germanic nuzo from Proto-Indo-European nays, meaning the thing on your face that you smell with. Yes. So very simple, very boring. They're mainly an olfactory organ, so you use them to smell things.

And also to taste things. you know how you can't really taste things properly when you've got a bunged up nose when you've got a cold yeah somewhere between 75 and 95 percent of our taste comes from what we smell right therefore if you can't smell your taste is reduced and and this is why your nose is that way up the reason why your taste is reduced. And this is why your nose is that way up. The reason why your nose is the way up that it is and the way humans have evolved is because actually that part of that tasting the food is the smell of the food. So as the food's going into your mouth,

you're tasting it with your nose. If your nose was the other way up, you wouldn't taste the food. Brilliant, so your nose has to be pointing towards your mouth. Yes. That's great, I'd never thought of that. Another thing the nose does is to regulate the temperature of the air that you breathe in, assuming you're a nose

breather not a mouth breather. Yes. The warmth of the nose, it's absolutely full of blood vessels and things. Yes. It warms up the air so that when the air reaches your lungs it isn't too cold. See our episode on camels to see how this works as well. Please do, absolutely. And there's a rule of thumb, not a rule of nose, called Thomson's nose rule which came up in the 1800s and it suggests that if you live in a colder, drier region you'll generally speaking have a longer, thinner nose. So that there's more of the nose to warm the air and sort of hydrate it slightly. People in hotter, more humid

areas tend to have shorter noses because they don't need that function so much. And people live in cities have thicker nose hair. Because there's more stuff in the air to filter out. Presumably. Yes. That makes sense. The other thing I love, your brain deletes your nose. Okay. So if you close one eye, you can see your nose. Yes. But if you have both eyes open, eye you can see your nose. Yes. But if you have both eyes open you can't see your nose.

Do you not spend half your day staring cross-eyed at your nose like I do? Yeah, you're right. You're aware it's there but you don't really care about it. Yeah, your brain literally deletes it from your field of vision. Interesting. Yeah. Like a Doctor Who perception filter. If you say so. I do.

So do you have a suit? Yes thank you. Okay. On the jacket of your suit, on the sleeve of your suit, do you have buttons on the end of your sleeve? Yes I do. Do you know why you have buttons on the end of your sleeve? Up until this very moment in time I had never really given it much thought. But no, I suppose I don't. The cuffs aren't open. So the idea was that if you employed servants or you had staff and you give them a uniform and the uniform would normally involve a jacket. But because handkerchiefs were quite expensive, those people would use the sleeve of their jackets to wipe their noses on. I think I can see where this is going. So what the owners of the uniforms would do is sew buttons on the

sleeve of the jacket to stop the staff from wiping their noses on the sleeves. That's brilliant. And what they did instead was they gave them what are called weepers, weeper shirt cuffs. It's like a very long shirt cuff. It's called a weeper because it's like you can dab your eyes with it and stuff, but you can also blow your nose on it and things. And you can still see weeper shirt cuffs today on QCs on a posh barrister.

Oh yes. If they're in full regalia that includes weepers. Yes I can picture that. And they wear them at big events like the coronation or something like like that they'll wear their weepers. Yeah I can sort of picture people in in sort of Elizabethan times with big flouncy sleeves. I'm picturing Lord Percy in Black Hat at the Second. Yes. He sort of had thing it sort of made it look like he had a handkerchief falling out of his sleeve but that was actually part of his sleeve. Yes. Brilliant. Yeah. Is that really any better than wiping your nose on your sleeve? Well the thing is it's very cheap to chuck a cotton shirt into the wash. It's very expensive

to clean a jacket. A woolen jacket. Yeah that's true. Fair point. And then of course you end up getting pocket squares in your jacket breast pocket. Yes. So that you can actually have a handkerchief. Well, not that you're supposed to use your pocket square for that purpose. They're to be given to weeping women, aren't they? Yes, I think so. At weddings and funerals and things, yeah. Yes, yes. How interesting.

Do you need a nose? Because there are animals that don't. Okay. So, okay, so you can either have lots or none. So jellyfish, for example, they don't have noses. They don't smell anything. And you think, well, in the sea, of course. But then you think shark. Yes, of course.

Very good sense of smell. But then you get other ones, like slugs, which I first read had four noses. Oh really? Yeah well if you look at a slug it's got these four things coming up the top of his head. Oh yes. And initially people believe that they were all noses. Oh right. But they've done some research since and they've realized that two of them are noses so a slug has two noses. Really? And it also has two things which measure light. Right okay. They're not really eyes but they kind of measure the brightness of light.

But every cartoon snail I've ever seen has its eyes on the end of those two little stalks. Doesn't have noses on them. Exactly, but there should be noses. Well, that's weird. Noses and senses. How interesting. I had a little look at types of nose. You know you sort of have the style of your nose. Roman. Yes, things like that, exactly. What led me to this was the fact that I seem to remember as a kid someone once told me that my name Simon means snub nose in Greek.

Oh right, interesting. The Greek word simos means snub nose. Generally speaking I think Simon comes from the Hebrew shimeon but there's a Greek equivalent which means snub nose and snub nose is a type of nose which I don't have interestingly even though that's not what my name means. So I had a quick look at the different types of nose and there are nine basic styles of nose, right, which include Roman or Aqualine, Nubian, straight, crooked, fleshy, button, hawk, snub, big and crooked. But those don't take in like most of the population of the world. No they don't. I found sort of a visual

guide to go with these which I expect we'll put up on the show notes at factorally.com. Factorally.com? That's the place, yeah. Okay. So yeah there's sort of a pictorial guide that shows these nine nose shapes and roughly speaking the majority of noses fall somewhere within one of those categories with a few variations but you know Roman nose has a particularly high bridge, a button nose is quite small and cute and petite and so on and so on. And there's a science, well a pseudo science called physiognomy or face reading and this is particularly a big thing in China. They have a science called mianxiang, which

is Chinese face reading. And apparently you can tell people's personality from the shape of their face, and in particular the shape of their nose. So these nine nose shapes that I've just listed in some people's view tell your personality traits. So someone with a Roman nose is said to be practical or rational. Someone with a fleshy nose is fast thinking and clever. Someone with a hawk nose has great ambition and leadership and all these different things. So apparently you can tell a lot about a person's personality from looking at their nose. Whether there's any actual truth in that or not I don't know but there seem to be an

awful lot of people sort of roughly sitting alongside the astrology community and the palm reading fraternity and so on and so on are these people who take a look at your nose and go oh yes you must be this type of person. Is there a theekston nose in there? I haven't heard of a theekston. So the theekston nose is apparently quite popular amongst men who go to plastic surgeons who aren't entirely happy with the way that their noses look. Yeah. And it's modeled on Jamie Theekston's nose. Oh is it? Yeah, it's like a strong nose with a good bridge. Yeah. Yeah, so there are lots of people going to their

plastic surgeons going, can I have a Thexton please? Interesting. I've also heard about Harry, apparently Harry Kane has a particularly nice nose which a lot of people go for. Would you consider plastic surgery? No, I'm alright with that. I did when I was younger, but I don't now. Right. Ironically I have actually had a nose job. Have you really? But only for

medical reasons. I have a deviated septum so in the middle of your nose that hard ridge that goes down the length of your nose is called the septum and that separates your nostrils from each other and mine is rather bent or at least was rather bent and it used to cause me problems with breathing and particularly whilst I was asleep so I had a nose job to straighten that out but not cosmetic surgery not not done for so you had proper rhinoplasty rhinoplasty exactly and I had a little look into rhinoplasty apparently in the United States at least there are 350,000 rhinoplasty procedures per year they can range from about 1% of the population mm-hmm Wow they can range from anything from $3,000 to $500,000 for a nose job

yep yep if you go to a particularly expensive rhinoplasty surgeon maybe you've got an awful lot of stuff to get rid of, I don't know. But they can go up to half a million dollars. Goodness me. In the UK there are just over 4,000 rhinoplastic surgeries performed a year. So 1% of the number in America. Goodness. There are various things that you're not supposed to do with your nose.

Like picking? Like sticking old chewing gum to the tip of it. Yeah I've never felt compelled to do that frankly. It's actually illegal in Somalia. Is it? To stick old chewing gum to the end of your nose. What on earth happened in Somalia that led to someone's deciding that that should be made illegal? I don't know but one of the factorialites might. Oh that lot. So if we get anything wrong, which we do frequently, feel free to write to us at hello at factorally.com or go to the Facebook page or just grab us in the street, whatever you want to do

and tell us we're wrong. We like being told we're wrong. Absolutely, we're on a constant journey of learning just like always. Of course it's not just people and animals that have noses. Isn't it? No. Well, airplanes have noses. Yeah. Okay. Sure.

Nose cones. Yeah. Yeah. And rockets have noses. Yes, they do. So, so the shape of a nose cone is directly related to speed or the speed it's designed for. So, at slow as speeds a rounded Nose cone is better. Hmm, but as you speed up then a sharp point becomes more efficient right in reducing

Drag and shock waves as well. It's very important for shock waves And then they're sort of like, you know with your supersonic or subsonic that the shape of your of the nose should change. Yeah Think of Concorde. Yes, good old Concorde. Yes The problem with Concorde was that to be the right shape aerodynamically for the speeds that it went Meant that when it was on the ground the pilot couldn't actually see where it was going Because the the nose is in the straight line. So they developed what's called a droop snoot. The droop snoot on the Concorde actually just dropped away so that the the pilot and the co pilot could actually see where they were going when they were taxiing. Brilliant. I mean,

because of my interests, when anybody says droop snoot to me, I think of a Vauxhall Forensic, but that's a whole different thing. Have you ever been on Concord? No I never got to go. So I've been on one. Oh I've been on one to be on the ground. Yes. I visited Brooklyn's Museum ages ago and went on board and yeah you could sort of see that that nose. It looks rather comical until you realize what an important scientific part it plays in the the planes function yes but yeah clever invention I mean yeah I mean the other thing that noses do is they hold instruments like a lot of radar in airplanes is in the nose okay so there's an awful lot of instruments there and

it's not just airplanes and rockets and things that fly through the air very quickly. It's also things like trucks. Yes. So trucks have to be aerodynamic. Aerodynamics starts with the nose. Yeah. The first bit to hit the air. So you can improve fuel efficiency, for example, by having the right shape nose on your truck.

Trucks tend to strike me as being rather flat-nosed. They were for a while, they're much more curved now. They do a lot more aerodynamicists, have a lot more say in what trucks look like. And if you actually look above the cabin, there's quite a lot of aero going on. Oh yes, that's true. Just above there as well. Yeah, yeah. So that's a mechanical nose, I suppose. I read about a bionic nose.

I read about a scientist called Richard Costanzo who works in the Virginia Commonwealth University in America. And for several decades, he's been sort of trying to come up with an electronic nose that could be used for people who have lost their sense of smell through one reason or another. Not just for sniffing out like dangerous substances? No no. It's actually like a personal nose. Yeah for general personal use. It hasn't come to anything yet. He's sort of been working on it for a long time. It's not anywhere near being commercially available or anything like that. But he had a bit of a

resurgence when COVID came around because one of the symptoms of COVID was that you lost your smell and a certain number of people never regained their sense of smell. So this gentleman sort of came to prevalence again, trying to work out whether they could do anything about it. And he basically had this pair of glasses with a smell sensor on the front and a little LED screen showing a readout. And he waved certain substances in front of these glasses and the little screen on them correctly identified what the substance was. So he waved a little pot of Windex, which is an American brand of window cleaner, in front of this thing and it came up with Windex on it. He waved around a little pot of Listerine mouthwash and it correctly identified it as Listerine. So that's just a pair of glasses

that you could wear on your face. But he's sort of been toying with the idea of, well, if we can attach that sensor to an LED readout, then maybe we can hardwire it into the human brain, to the part of the brain that identifies substances from the smell. And maybe we could cure people's loss of sense of smell through that. So yes, it's sort of been in the testing stages for about 30 years and I don't know whether it will ever become a regularly available thing but it's an interesting concept. Yeah I think if somebody important needs it then maybe it'll become a thing. Yeah maybe. It

seems to be always the way. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. It seems to be always the way. Yeah. We're both very keen on words. Hmm, we are. And expressions. And noses make their way into an awful lot of English expressions.

Oh, goodie. For example, keep your nose clean. Yes. Keep your nose to the grindstone. Pay through the nose. Yes. Don't cut your nose off to spite your face. Looking down your nose at someone. Yeah, have your nose to the grindstone. Pay through the nose. Yes. Don't cut your nose off to spite your face. Looking down your nose at someone.

Yep, have your nose in the air, all that stuff. Rub someone's nose in it. Yep. Wind by a nose. Actually, winning by a nose is quite interesting. That only came in once photography was fast enough to look at horse races. Oh, I see, okay. You can look down your nose at somebody. You can have a nose for something.

You can be on the nose about something. Yes. You can, if you're a young lady, you can go and powder your nose. Of course. Something can be under your nose. Yes. You can have your nose out of joints.

You can thumb your nose. You can be hard-nosed about something. You can, you know out of joint, you can thumb your nose, you can be hard nosed about something, you can, you know, no skin off my nose, if you, or it's as plain as the nose on your face. Goodness me, that is a lot, isn't it? There are a lot of nose based expressions. That's brilliant. I'm suddenly having a memory, bear with.

Looking down your nose at someone and the word tough, to be a toff, do you know where that comes from? No I don't. To be a toff, sort of a member of the upper classes, being a bit snooty nosed, looking down your nose at someone. The word toff is short for toffee nosed. Oh right. And apparently the higher echelons of society around sort of the 1700s took quite a lot of snuff and in order to stop this nasty brown stuff dribbling out of their nose which looked a bit like liquid toffee, they were called toffee-nosed, hence toff, and in order to stop that stuff running out they would

tilt their head back as if having a nosebleed and therefore they were looking down their nose at the lower classes. Apparently that's where that comes from. Let's assume it's true. Yeah I always do. On this podcast apocrypha is always truth. Yeah absolutely it's more enjoyable that way. I had a look at false noses. Oh, wonderful! I found reference to a gentleman called Taiko Brahe, who was a prominent 16th century Danish astronomer, and he wore a false nose. After losing part of his nose in a sword duel, he had this duel with his cousin, a fellow called Mandarup Parsberg, fantastic name, in 1566. And these two cousins basically got drunk and had a bit of a fight and ended up in a sword duel. And Tycho lost part of his nose. So he wore a

prosthetic that was made of a gold golden silver alloy, which was sort of blended and designed to fit in with his skin tone. And he wore this fake nose. He was nicknamed the man with the golden nose, which I rather like. And this led me to thinking about false noses. And that led me down the film industry line and facial prosthetics. And I sort of found a few famous fake noses that I'd never really noticed were fake noses. So Meryl Streep wore a prosthetic nose playing Margaret Thatcher in The Iron Lady. Anthony Hopkins wore a prosthetic nose playing Nixon. Obviously the the child catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, there's no way that thing is real.

More obvious ones, Jared Depegier in Serrano de Bejarac, Steve Martin in Rock Sam, the equivalent. And then the complete nutter opposite, Rafe Finds in Harry Potter. So rather than wearing a prosthetic nose to make his nose larger, he had his nose digitally deleted because the character of Voldemort in the Harry Potter series has no nose. He's written as having a flat, snake-like nose with thin slits for nostrils. And you can't really take the nose off a person to do that unless you put on an awful lot of prosthetics around the nose to build out the face. So what they did for the character in the Harry Potter movies, they digitally deleted his nose.

So if you watch any behind the scenes films of Ralph Vines, he's got these little yellow dots dotted around his face, around the outside of his nose. And then digitally, that area is flattened and turned into this snake-like looking nose. And it's so effective. You just, you totally believe that that's the case. But you watch the filming stuff and he just looks ridiculous. He's got all these bright, shiny yellow dots

around his nose. But yes, it just sort of struck me how many people you know, have fake noses in movies. Sometimes they're obvious, sometimes they're not. The one that springs to mind for me is Peter Sellers. Oh yes. Peter Sellers liked a fake nose. Did he?

Oh yeah. Okay. And you look at all sorts of different pictures of Peter Sellers, that his nose is different in every film. and you look at all sorts of different pictures of Peter Sellers, his nose is different in every film. The other famous nose is the clown's nose. Oh, you went there, excellent, the red nose. So, you know, obviously the red nose day is a big thing.

But red noses on clowns is quite interesting. I haven't done any research on it. Haven't you? That's a shame. Isn't it useful that I've done it? Have you? Yeah. Oh there you go. We complete each other so well. This is so often the case on this where I'll do something that Simon hasn't and Simon will do something that I haven't. But yeah, so I just thought of red noses and then suddenly Simon's done all the research. So go ahead Simon, tell

us all about red noses. Right, okay. So the red nose on a clown, it belongs to a particular variety of clown called the August clown. There are different types of clowns representing different elements of humanity, but the buffoon, the fella with the crazy wig, the red nose, the big shoes, is called an August clown, which is German for fool. It's one of those things, no one has a definitive answer as to where it started, but there is mention of a German circus performer in 1860 who was a bit shabby, wore ill-fitting clothes just because he was poor, not because it was funny. And he was doing a show one day and he fell over in the show ring and broke his nose and blood spouted everywhere. He had a red nose. The crowd shouted out August, meaning you

fool in German. And that was sort of the birth of the clumsy, shabby, baggy-clothed, red-nosed clown. That has been very much contested. But again, apocrypha will out. Officially, the first person to actually properly put on a red nose as a clown was a fellow called Albert Frattellini in the late 1800s, and he was automatically identifiable. You know, white face, red nose, big shoes, clumsy. But according to this fella, Frattellini, he said that he decided to put on a red nose because it resembled the red nose of a drunk. And a drunk person is clumsy and falls around and does silly buffoonish things and therefore he wore the red nose to represent that. So whichever origin

you take, you know, you can go either way. So what is Red Nose Day and what is Comic Relief? So Comic Relief is a charity that was started in the 1980s, I think originally, to raise money to help people experiencing the famine in Ethiopia. So like the comedy equivalent of Band Aid? Yes, very much that. And Red Nose Day was sort of the public live comedic event, the fundraising arm of Comic Relief. And it you know, it had lots of comedians coming on and doing funny things. It had one of the first telethons,

you know, where the general public could phone in to that huge bank of people with arming their phones, receiving people's calls to pledge money. And it does good in different charitable events. And every year they released a different red nose that the public could buy to raise funds. And I remember there being different shapes, different materials, different sizes. I remember you could buy a red nose to put on the grill of your car at one point, which my dad had when I was a kid. do they? And now sort of 40 years later Comic Relief has raised £1.6 billion through its various Red Nose Day events. That's amazing. So yeah, clown noses. So are there any records about noses?

There are, not quite as many as you'd think actually. There are sort of animal nose records, biggest, longest, etc. But yes, I found a couple of records. Rather unsurprisingly, they're about the biggest nose. The world record for the longest nose on a living person, that is to say the record was made whilst this person was alive rather than about someone in history. This belonged to a gentleman called Mehmet Ozürek from Turkey. He passed away in 2023 but he had this record from 2001 until his death in 2023. His nose measured 8.8 centimeters which is 3.46 inches which is quite large. Is that like from the bridge of your nose? From the bridge to the tip. Yeah he had a slightly hooked nose so it it sort of curved and drooped down a bit.

Bruce is now holding a ruler up to his nose. So mine's coming at five... no that can't be right. Must be about four and a half. Inches? No, centimeters. Centimeters. Thank goodness for that. Sheesh. Yeah, that works out. The record says his nose was roughly twice the size of most other people's. Wow. So that's the largest nose on a living person. The largest nose on a historical person comes

all the way back from the 1770s. This one's a little harder to verify because records weren't exactly precise at the time. But this was a circus sideshow performer in England called Thomas Wedders who was from Yorkshire. And not withstanding the fact that circus performances had a tendency to over embellish things, but according to them his nose was 19 centimetres long, 7.5 inches. Roughly the length of a pencil. 19 centimetres? That's nearly four times the size of my nose. Hmm it's big. That's massive. I've seen an artist's impression, I think I've even seen a wax work bust of this fella and if they're accurate you know Serrano de Bergerac

has nothing on this guy. Or Pinocchio. Indeed, yeah. But yes, it may have been embellished, it may not be the truth, who knows. Goodness. The last record I found was for the world's most sensitive nose. And this belongs to a star-nosed mole. There's a creature called the star-nosed mole, which looks exactly like a mole, but its nose is shaped like a star. And the reason is that it consists of 22 tentacles. If you zoom in on the nose of this thing, it's got 22 tentacles, which contain 25,000 microscopic touch organs called Eimer's organs. And it uses it to dig, it uses it to dig around in the dirt and sense changes in the atmospheric pressure. And yeah, I mean, moles moles are notoriously bad eyesight. So yes, they have to have notoriously good

sense of smell and a feeling with their nose. Exactly. Yeah. Wow. But yes, this star nosed mole has the best sense of touch of any mammal. Wow. So those are my records. of touch of any mammal. Wow. So those are my records. Well I'm completely out of any more nose related facts. I mean we've been on the nose when it comes to facts. We have been right on the nose. We have. And all these facts have been under our noses all the time. And now anybody listening to this also knows all the things that we know. So what should they do, Simon? They should go out to the streets and shout about this wonderful podcast. They should climb to the highest mountain and chant

factorily at the top of their lungs. If they can't be bothered to do that, they could just give us a like. Just a like, just a thumbs up. No, not just a like. That's just scratching the surface that's no not just a like that's that's just scratching the surface they should also give us a lovely shiny five star review on whatever podcast platform they are using yes what else could they do um they can subscribe on their podcast platform as well they can spot us in the street and go oh you you, you, you got that wrong. Yes. So there we go. Thank you very much for coming along to listen to us talk about noses today. Please come again next time for another fun-filled factual episode of Factoring. Goodbye. Au revoir.