Fairway Rollin' - Classy Winners, Betting Value, and Year-End Superlatives

Episode Date: October 26, 2021

House and Hubbard are joined by Pat Mayo of 'The Pat Mayo Experience' to talk about the streak of high-class winners and what they anticipate in major events going into 2022 (03:03). Later they give out superlatives for some of the best and biggest stories in the calendar year (26:20). Hosts: Joe House and Nathan Hubbard Guest: Pat Mayo Production Assistant: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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As always, my par-saving pals, our PGA tour correspondent on the ground. Nathan Hubbard is in the house. And today is a three ball. We are reconnecting with some of our beloved pals from over the years, folks that we haven't talked to since the spring. Pat Mayo, the Pat Mayo experience is on. on today's episode. It's a three ball. The first tea is wide open.

Let's stroll over. I'm going to give honors to Mayo. I mean, you know, the, the Canadian wonder. It's his tea. And off we go. All right, my friends, as promised, Nathan Hubbard's sitting right here virtually next to me.

And straight from, what province are you from in Canada? I'm actually back in Nova Scotia these days. Fantastic. Magnific. In fact, you, Pet Mayo sent me pictures of you playing golf, or really just the golf course, at the unbelievably beautiful, breathtaking Cabot Links. Is that right?

Yeah, Cabot Links, some Cabot Cliffs and some awful, awful scoring. So that was a lot of fun. We didn't have to talk about the scoring, but how was that experience? I mean, it is for all of us on the, really all of the United States. going to talk about those of us on the East Coast where you can kind of like fly up and then get in a car and drive for some number of hours. It's all on our bucket list. You can do it pretty easily. You fly into Halifax Airport with some good speed. You can get there in about, you know, two, two and a half hours or so. It's well worth the trip. Like people talk about making the

pilgrimage to go play like Pebble and Spyglass just because of the views. And, you know, well, Pebble may not be like the greatest course in the United States. It's just one on everyone's bucket list. This is sort of the Canadian East Coast version of that and you get the two courses back to back. They're right on the ocean. The views are just incredible. Problem is there's like 40 mile per hour wins every

single time you play. So that's not all that fun. Sounds like Bermuda. Yeah. Yeah. But not Japan. So we're going to kick this show off with accolades to Hadeki Matsuyama. Pat Mayo. We were last convened

at the right, right on the, the brink of the PGA championship, and we were talking about Kioa and what we anticipated there, Hideki Matsuyama now, you know, continues this streak of very high class winners on the PGA tour since the so-called restart, the commencement of the silly PGA tour season that started in September of 2021 and will run until the end of August 2022. what do you, as you sort of sit here and go up to the 15,000 foot level, attribute this string of classy winners to, or is there anything, maybe it's just variance, maybe it's just professional golf.

What do you attribute it to? I would just wager. I mean, I've been wagering against all of these people, except for Kalamorikawa, who I wouldn't say let me down against Rory because Rory really went out and took it. But after Morikawa's front nine at the C.J. Cup, I was like, all right, here we go. then the back nine was just like, oh my God, like make a pot man. This could have really worked out in your favor here. But the CJ Cup was a loaded field.

The Shriners had a very top, heavy, competitive field. Like, Sungay won that, but he was like 35 to 1. He wasn't one of the favorites in that turn. He's one of the favorites if you go to 156 players, but he wasn't inside the top 10 of odds. You know, Sam Burns, Max Homa, like these were some of the, like, Sam Burns was the betting favorite at the Sanderson Farms. We're just getting a lot of weak fields right now. But here's the trick this week in Bermuda is that there are no really good players. So what do you do?

Well, that's why you're here, buddy. Do you think that these guys are playing because they have to or because they want to? I mean, last year, we were talking about Brian Gay and Stuart Sink. And yes, Sergio won, but it was sort of old guy central. And now we've got these young winners, some of whom were left off the Ryder Cup, like Sam Burns, you know, Max Homa, who were sort of could be that next generation of Cup team. Do you read anything into that, really? Or you just think it's straight up chance.

I mean, these have been weaker fields, but these fall events have always been really weak fields, right? It's just that maybe these guys are playing them now because some of them woke up at the end of last year and realized, holy shit, I'm going to miss out in the FedEx Cup if I don't play more events and get more points in the fall, right? I think that has to be the biggest thing going on. that you win one of these events, basically as long as you don't quit golf for the next eight months, you're going to be at Eastlake, or at least very close to it, as long as you don't lay an egg just for the complete rest of the season. So these are easier points to end up getting.

So yeah, I absolutely think that's why these guys are playing it. I'm confused about the field this week. What is it with Bermuda and the European guys coming over? Because we see this from time to time, whether it be it like Corrales or the Puerto Rico Open that, oh, wow, Thomas Dietrich's in the field. Thomas Peters is in the field? I don't quite understand. Is it just so these guys can come over, try to wait and get their PGA tour card?

That's the only thing I can really think of. But now you have like Fitz and Bazaden how it's put in the field. Like they can play in any tournament they want. Well, this week, they're not able to fill out the field of 132. They've literally gone through the entire priority order and they can't fill it out. There are guys sitting in the airport in Charlotte right now whose test, the COVID test, is going to expire before they can get on the next flight. So there are some guys who may not even be able to play in this tournament

who actually want to, much less all the guys who are getting in and then immediately bailing. This one is just sort of pocked by, A, the sort of strict COVID requirements, although, I mean, what's such a big deal if you don't want to get vaccinated about doing a 14-day quarantine in Bermuda? It seems like it could be worse, I guess. But this one, this is going to be the weirdest tournament. And to just sort of dial it out to the fall season situation,

I can't imagine we're coming back to a tournament and a location that literally, to your point, nobody wants to go to. I mean, Cody Gribble is in this tournament. Sean McKeel got in and then opted out. If Sean McKeel doesn't want to play your event, I think we have a problem. I mean, last week was weird in that we couldn't watch it. There was no data around it. I mean, we have no idea what shots game looked like last week, right?

They weren't even tracking it. So last week it was like sort of a ghost invisible tournament. This week, the strength of field, I mean, Mayo, if you want to get in, you might be able to still do it. I know you're vaccinated. You could probably get down there and play this week. Yeah, I might have a tough time. I'll probably have to charter a plane from the airport here.

I could probably get there by Thursday morning, though. Yeah, get me in the field. I'll try to do some calculations of strokes gain stats as I'm walking around the course because we're going to be in the dark on this one as well. In fact, I guess myakobas next week, no strokes gain stats. from that course. So Houston and one of the plantation courses at RSM is all we have left in terms of being able to actually track what's going on.

Like shot tracker for this event, like, because if they couldn't put it, they put it on TV last week, but it was in the complete middle of the night in Japan. They wouldn't show the leaders at the CJ Cup. And even if you paid for like PGA tour live to stream it, they still didn't show anything. And then they tried to stream it on Peacock. And then it took them like an hour to actually get that moved over. So, I mean, what are they going to do? What should they do for these events?

I mean, it's crazy that this is a 500 point FedEx Cup event, and so was the CJ Cup. And so, you know, with a much stronger field. Should they be scaling the FedEx Cup points available based on strength of field? No. No? Here's my answer. Who gives a shit, right?

I mean, the guy, the guys do. Of course that's the problem with the whole fall. The most important aspect of these fall events is the opportunity for guys to change their position between. And it's really the guys between 75 and 150, I think. I think that's your sweet spot. And it's some corn fairy guys who are trying to catch a heater and get some kind of status, conditional status entering the new calendar year. But it's really like these fall events matter the most positioning wise for that class of

offer, the guys that are not looking at the 22 calendar year and saying, here are the 12 events I'm going to play because I know that I'm going to collect three million bucks with a collection of, you know, fifth place to 25th place finishes, you know, it's a whole different class of competition. And the tour itself hasn't figured out how they want to sell it to us, right? The thing that is for the three of us. it to us. Well, that's what I mean. The three of us, it's an incredible gambling opportunity. I jumped on Hadeki when I saw Hadeki at 12 to 1 and the odds were, you know, for Moracawa and Zander were like five and a half or six. Yeah. We got Kna and, yeah, we got Kenai and Kagan in the top 10. I mean,

if you pay attention, these are really, really fun events to bet on. So this is exactly why we have Pat Mayo on today. Nate, you talked earlier about how weird this is. event is. Pat Mayo is our guy for weird events. And, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it's, we're, we're all going in, uh, dark on strokes gain. I mean, we saw some stats. We're looking at, like, wind, um, guys who, who, who play well in the wind, but, but, you know, that's, it's, it, it, it helps a little, but it doesn't help a ton. We don't have course history so much at this venue. And there's no, like, form line to, to, to grab because, you know, it's been only at this venue for only a couple years.

So, Mayo, what are we supposed to do? Pray? Okay. Take some guys with a lot of zeros next to their odds because that's who's been winning these events. Brian Gay won last year, 500 to 1. Like, that's outrageous. That's how old he is. Yeah, he just added a zero onto his age and boom, you got his odds.

He's back to 100 to 1 this week. I don't even know if he got on the, there was rumors that guys were getting kicked off the plane, two guys. No, he's stuck in Charlotte. He is absolutely stuck in Charlotte. So he's not even there. No. And he's probably not going to be there. No.

All right. Why can't he be there? No, he's going to get there. He's not there now is the point. And his problem is his test is expiring. So you got to have a test before you go in in a certain time frame. It's just, it's a mess. I mean, I don't think you can actually put money down on this event until Wednesday

when the field is actually locked and you know guys are on the ground. Oh, disagree. I've already bet it. Yes. Yes. If they don't show up, then I get my bet refunded to me because they did. Oh, you do. They did a T.

Oh, okay. All right. Well, then you're fine. So then you're all in on Cody Gribble, I'm sure. The Gribbler, PGA tour winner, the Gribbler? Yeah. I mean, no, no, absolutely not. That's not going to happen.

But how do you approach an event like this? Seriously, when you don't have shots gained, you just don't have a lot of data to make decisions. Is it looking at just sort of momentum plays, guys who are coming in and who've looked decent? I mean, we knew Fitzpatrick, you know, he's a grind. he's a mudder, right, in tough conditions. That's the reason he's got the best odds because he also won on the European tour again. So it's sort of obvious why he's up there.

But when you got Patrick Reed, who's been playing like absolute shit at the top of the odds board, how do you approach looking for value at an event like this? I might just blind. I haven't bet Patrick Reed, but I feel like you almost have to blindly bet him at 20 to 1 of this field. I totally agree with this.

That's outrageous. He might come in last because his game is gone. I don't know. But what if he doesn't? Yeah. Yeah. What am I really sweating Hayden Buckley against him? Shameous power?

Well, Hayden Buckley got engaged last weekend. So that's either a big booster or do we got to just fade the shit out of him? Well, I like that you have the inside info on that. I have the inside info on Taylor Pendrith because I was scrolling through my Facebook feed and I saw someone I know was at his wedding. I was like, huh, Taylor Pendrith got married last weekend. So the issue with these sorts of events I found is we saw this last year when Pat Perez made the cut and he was like, screw it.

I still don't want to play. weekend. I just want to go party. That you need to find the guys that actually want to win this tournament, not just go for a good time. Yeah. Well, Reed is a good bet, and it's basically what you're describing, Pat, which is just bet him he's 20 to 1. You're at a, with a field of this caliber of player, those kinds of odds are, there's a ton of value there. It feels like, um, Bezid Hoyt, has you say it again, the Beezer. You say it, Mayo. Oh, Bizzaden has. You have to get the South African accent going if you want to do.

Just call him Seabez. He's good to go. Like, on paper, he is by far the best fit for this course, I think. Like, it's all wedges and putting, and that's what he does. And the caliber of player that he is has been sort of well established. I was looking at him last, in the spring of this year as like, you know, as a round out the card kind of play and things like the PGA championship and other, because he's not a very well-known name.

You can get some decent pricing on him, DFS-wise, and gambling-wise, and the caliber of player. He's going to win on the PGA tour in the next 12 months. I know his intention is to play on tour the vast majority of this upcoming season. I don't know what his status is, but caliber of player-wise, like his stroke gains stuff,

top five in the world strokes-gain putting and strokes-gained approach over the last three months. He's in the top five. of both of those categories. So, you know, it's just, he hasn't been playing very much. He came in top five at the BMWPGA championship, finishing the top five of the Corn Ferry Championship as well. Yeah, he made it through the playoffs.

So he's playing out of that category. So he earned his card then. He did. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it is his intention. I believe he stated that he intends to play on tour this year.

And if that's true, then he's going to win on tour this year. It is my humble opinion. This is like, if you're going to, to look at comp courses for this like wily so it's sony open heritage windum like all of those courses travelers too just when you look at who's played well here and obviously it's kind of a factor of the field like brian gay has ever finished worse than third at this tournament david hern has two top tens in two years ryan armor has two top tens and you have two years lebiota has a third and a 16th like travelers kind of sticks out to me as well it's another one of those like super short courses

where if you're like accurate off the tea, that's good enough. Because as long as you find the fairway, you can hit a wedge into everything. Like Russell Knox is another one. He's one of those weather guys that we talk about that, but he just has been so bad for so long. But I mean, so would Brian Gaye coming in? So this is probably one of the more difficult ones to cap. So I actually ran a model on Fantasy National. I completely blew up what I had been thinking.

And all I did was put in proximity from 75 yards to 150 yards, fairways gained and putting and seeding. would it spit me out. And? Brian Stewart, so I bet him at 80. You got to love Stewart. He's been actually playing great. He didn't play so.

He played great towards the end of the season. This fall hasn't been as good. I can't believe the barn rat is sitting there at like 65 to 1. And he was second at BMW in England. Yeah, but how much does this tournament pay if you win it? Like, can he buy a new Lamborghini if he wins this? Because if not, he's not going to care. You can vape there, though.

You can probably smoke on the course. Let's be real. I have played this golf course and I won't tell you what I played solo. I got to play. So there was, you know, I was left to my own devices. Let's just put it that way. There are some up and coming corn fairy tour guys though where if they're going to make a statement, this is the one.

And that's Stefan Yeager for sure, who has just been up and down. He's never really been able to play great on the big tour. But he was the best player on the corn fairy tour last fall. Hayden Buckley, we sort of already spoke about. He came out fairly hot, and I'm a little concerned about the engagement thing, but we'll see how that goes. Aaron Rye, too, he's feels really do. He's played well on the European tour, feels due for something here. It's just hard to take anybody much, much deeper in the field, because these are guys who literally have been sitting around doing nothing for the last six months.

They've had a hard time just even getting into an event. I mean, David Hearn at like 100 to 1, you're hitting on that, Pat? No, I'm not going to do it. I can't back my Canadian David Hearn, although he has played well with this course. Like I said, it's going to be like wedges. It's going to be putting. I actually packed TPJ, my guy, going for a second, huge cash with him in my lifetime. So Ted Potter Jr., 350 to one, like, why not? He's going to hit fairways. No one gets hotter when he gets going. And if it's just going to be literally like pitching wedges into every green green, he can do that. And it's not like, like Duffner would fit perfectly at this course, but he legit can't put. So that's

real problem. At least Potter, when he puts, he puts really well. He's one of those guys on the other end of the spectrums like crappy putting, crappy putting. Oh, my God, he lapped the field and putting. J.B. Holmes does that too, weirdly enough, where he's the worst guy in the field for six straight months, and then he's the best guy, like doubling up the next one. And if we play like the wind angle, I went to look at results at different courses. Camillo Vigga seems like he should do really well here. Like 150 and in the wind, and he's another one who gets really hot on Bermuda Green. So that's like an 80 to 1, 100 to 1, and a 350 to 1. And that just leaves me money for read at the top.

Like, why would, what do you make a read right now? Because I can't wrap my mind around. He had a very serious case of COVID. You know, we saw this with athletes and other sports, right? Like, has Cam Newton recovered yet from his belt with COVID from last year? He had brain fog. It changed the arc of his competitive. career last season and for as serious a case as it seemed like what Patrick went through,

like it's a half miracle that he's out on the golf course competing at all, it feels like. Well, Patrick, I think the point is what we went and we kicked ourselves in the teeth for not taking Justin Thomas when he was 20 to 1 at the players. We knew that was probably the last time we were going to get odds like that. We're staring at them for Patrick Reed. You just have to put money down. That's it. You got to take it if you're if you're looking at that. The rest of these, though, I mean, for crying out loud, can I, I was all ready to jump on him, but he's not making the trip now.

It's too far. Japan to Bermuda, it's a pain in the butt. They're just dropping like flies. Patrick Rogers is maybe a guy here, but is he, is he getting, I mean, to, you know, to Pat's point, is he, the wedger that you want to bet on? Probably not me. So you got to go a little bit deeper down and decide if you're going for some of the chalk guys or if you're going to take some of the corn fairy momentum for me. Those are those are your sort of basic choices this week. How have we gone this far into this discussion without talking about Mayo's fellow countryman, Adam Hadwin, who's showing up on a bunch of these lists? Why is he not at the top of your list, Mayo?

I mean, when was the last time that Hadwin was really great? Like, Shriners, yeah, he played really well. That was the first time that he almost put everything together in ages. But he showed up at the 3M. I guess it all depends on his putting to tell you the truth. And I guess class-wise, he just spikes every now and then. Like, looking back at his finishes over the past 12 months, he's either inside the top 10 or he misses the cut, which I guess isn't a bad way to attack a betting board. But, you know, he's getting a bit of credit. Like he's 35 to 1 right now. Like Guido's 40 to 1. Guido's a better. player than Adam. Danny Willett just won a big event and he's 40 to one. I'm betting Willett. I'm on Willett. Why are these guys behind Adam Hadwin in the odds? Because they're European, like, I guess so. And maybe people don't pay attention to what these guys are actually doing on a worldwide stage. But Hadwin can't really hold anything to Guido or Danny Willett over the past, geez, three years or so. And then you have someone like Captain Ramius, Chad Ramey. He's 28 to 1. Now, he actually rates out really well. But that's a tough scene. Matia Schwab. I've put enough money on Matthia Schwab over the years to know that if I need a three-foot putt to be

made, he's not making it. So that's a tough scene for him. Speaking of making putts, what about our, my hometown guy, Denny McCarthy? Two good performances on this track. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those courses where it's super short, so his big disadvantages don't come into play, but just trying to ride, his only skill is really that he's a really good putter. Now, he is consistently a really good putter. But what happens when that goes like, blank. He's really bad. Looking at that number, like maybe just keep riding like T Gala. My guy, Derek Kigo is 50 to 1 who was a disaster in Japan last week. I bet on him last week. Oh, geez, Mark Hubbard, 60 to 1. That's not bad. Lucas Iber or Lucas Herbert, as he prefers to be

called 60 to 1. There are some decent players once you go down this list. Like, I don't understand really what separates someone like Lucas Herbert who cashed me at the Irish Open last year. Like, why is he you why? Let me tell you why. Because he was, he went to the corn fairy tour event in Columbus, Ohio, except he booked his ticket to Columbus, Georgia. Didn't realize it until he got to Georgia. So there's no way he's actually in Bermuda. All right. That's a, that's tougher. But that shouldn't be affected in the odds right now. Because like I said, if you don't pee up, you don't get to go. But like Herbert is a, I mean, he's an excellent player on the European tour. You mentioned Aaron Rye. Like, he's been good for years now on the European tour. He has European tour wins. David Lipski is another one who does, you know, his primary work over on the European tours.

It migrated over a little bit more. Harry Hall. We saw him in Vegas. He's like discount Bryson, at least in his look. There are, there are guys in this field that I don't understand why they're, I guess, you've got to price someone at 60 to 1 or 80 to 1, but are they really that much better than like Russell Knox, who legit doesn't have a top five finish in four years at 45 to 1? Like, it's hard for me to wrap my mind around it. And maybe it's because these guys, a lot of these guys are coming up from the Corn Ferry tour or the Europeans are being discounted because of the name recognition. But honest to God, who the hell knows who Chad Ramey is?

Like, I couldn't pick him out of a lineup of one. So I don't know if like the better is going on the sportsbook and being like, Chad Ramey, 28 to 1. Now, fire that up right now. Dietree is a world-class player. He's 50 to 1. Well, Ramey was third on Corn Ferry Tour regular season. I want to talk about the guy who was number two.

I mean, I was inclined to go with Nick Watney because he's got the most FedEx Cup points of anybody in the field. But, House, you tell us, the one thing about this course is it's actually hard to hit the fairways. I think only about 51% of fairways were hit on this course, which is way below

the average, and you look at a guy like Nick Watney, he's 228th in driving accuracy. So he's out. So I come back to the guy who was one above Ramey on Cornfrey Tour, and that's Mito Pereira. There have been a lot of buzz about him. We've been waiting for Mito. How do you feel about him, Pat? I mean, I've been betting him in losing, so that's always a lot of them. He really seems to lose money.

There's a lot of buzz, but he's not really delivering when we think he should. One observation I'll make before Pat tells us about Mito, this golf course it doesn't matter if you're in the fairway or not. At all? No, no. Because guess what? I was not. And I, you know, I knocked around to my,

my stroke average of four and a half, you know, like in between bogey and par. That's what I do. It's tough sometimes when you go back and think about the winners. Like the Todd father ended up winning here and we know what his game is. It's fairways. It's putting. It's wedges.

And essentially at this point of his career, Brian Gay, is the discount, a version of Brennan Todd. But he got really hot with the putter. and then it didn't really make a difference anymore. So you look at the two winners who've won at this course. So you have this idea that this is the profile of the player that's going to do really well. But if you go back and look at the leaderboard last year, like Wyndham Clark was in a playoff with Brian Gay.

Ollie Schneider Jans. God bless Ollie. He's back. Maybe he's wearing a hat this time. I don't know. Definitely not. But they came two and three and like those guys vomit off the T. So just because you look at the winners to get a profile of who you think can do really well here doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.

Like these guys, yeah, I mean, when Clark hit some fairways last year, but he probably just dominated the par of fives. Who could know because the stats are a complete mystery to everyone, but like Lahiri finished 11th. And then you have your David Hurons and your Ryan Armors and Kramer Hickokock who's actually played really well at this term. He's another one who played really well at the travelers. What are his odds this week now that I think of it? Oh, I love this. Yeah, I like the Hickcock angle. Where, let's see you. 100 to 1. All fairways, all putting all the time. That's the Kramer Hickickickickick. So in. 100 to 1.00 to 1.001 on him. I'm in on Hickok.

Mayo, I want to take a step back. So we have three events left for this fall season. After Bermuda, we're off to Mexico, and then we're to Houston, and then we finish up the season at Sea Island. And, you know, we're kind of at the point here, the season, where some superlatives are appropriate. When you look back at the calendar year 2021, what are like the standout moments for the Pat Mayo experience? What did you make money on, you know, player of the year, that's boring. We were like, you know, we're going to argue about John Rom again. We don't need to argue about John Rom.

John Rom. John Rom was the player of the year. He was the best player. That's right. It's dumb. I mean, it was great to have two wins out of Rory. That was fun. It's great to have Hadeki with two wins.

like, you know, Harris English with a couple of wins, you know, some classy golfers out there distinguishing themselves. The story of the years, Bryson and his continued, you know, brilliance. Instagram story. Well, yes, that. And just, you know, driving eyeballs in ways that we haven't seen before. But give us some standouts from the Pat Mayo experience. Jason Cokrack wins me money, as I found out.

I never thought that would be anything I would ever say. But God bless Jason Cochreck. I can't remember if he was one back or he was tied for the leader one up on Speeth at Colonial. And they were hanging Speeth at like minus 250, which was essentially a head-to-head against Cachian Cokrak. And was like, this is nuts. Cochrat's actually playing really well. And obviously he went out and won.

And Speeth kind of choked it away. I was very surprising. And that was the day that Cochrak couldn't get out of his bunker to save his life. So that wasn't great. Morikawa's win at the Open Championship cost me a lot of money because that was the only time I bet on Spieth all year. But Morikawa, it was the first win he's ever had that I haven't bet on him on where he won. So he won it the concession, which I thought was a really cool course. That was a really fun one to watch on TV.

And it was kind of the epitome of what Morikawa does well, that when he can make his 10-foot putts on a semi-regular basis, and he isn't gagging it away on the three-foot ones, that he's just unstoppable based on his, based on his iron play. The moment of the year was Phil, though, getting mobbed by the fans at Kiowa Island, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, undoubtedly that. Nate, what do you have up there in your top five? Man, for me, I really thought

the emergence of John Rom was a big story for me this year. I just, we had been waiting to see him step into the broadness of his shoulders. And he's certainly not yet the full leader, but he's one of those guys who, He had a lot of opportunities to step on his tongue this year and to do the wrong thing or to do something that was going to upset people. He just handled the memorial situation with such class. He handled his U.S. Open win with such class.

I just loved how hard he pushed through the FedEx Cup playoffs, even though he didn't win. He just, he was the guy who showed up other than Cantley through that entire process. He just seems to give a shit and care every time he's out. and nowhere was that more apparent than at the Ryder Cup where he carried the rest of the team as best he could. It wasn't very far, but you still came away from the Ryder Cup going, if I learned one of three things,

it is that John Rom is the best player in the world. So Rom was the big one that stood out for me, and I don't think you can overlook Hideki. The win at the Masters was finally that breakthrough for a guy who we never quite were sure if he had the stones to be able to win like that, because he, you know, he's very quiet competitors, as we've always said. And I do think that that win last week after the footfall in the Olympics

where you thought he might go out and get the bronze and just couldn't quite make it in that nine-man playoff or whatever we had. It was great to see him win in front of the home fans. That's something he's been dreaming about for a long time. I am now officially worried about the President's Cup. Oh, come on. We got to look, look, a year ago,

I said it about the Ryder Cup and couldn't have been more wrong. So now I'm just going to reverse jinks by saying I'm worried about the President's Cup. Have the internationals ever won the President's Cup? Has that ever happened? I don't think so. I think they're over. They may have won once. Wait.

I actually, maybe this is when we can meet up for once with 2024 Royal Montreal Presidents Cup. That's going to be interesting. Who doesn't want to go to Montreal? Montreal, one of my all-time favorite cities on Planet Earth. absolutely positively. And I've only been there with loved ones. I haven't been there solo. Oh my God. Look out. Look out, Daddy. It is going to be a great time, man. They won at Royal Melbourne in 98. That's the only time. There we go. Yeah, we played to a tie in

South Africa in 2003. Other than that, it's been, it's been bloodbath. I can, I can make a decent case for the international team. It's just, yeah, we still have, what, a year out to see how a lot of this stuff goes. But there is a pairing that I do like that they can run out there. The answer Conner's team, because they're essentially the same players, except Abraham Answer Puts sometimes. So put those two together, put Neiman and Meadow together. Like, it's fun, but essentially you have a team of Sam Burns's when, unfortunately, on the American team, you have a team of Dustin Johnson. So that's not really going to work. So that's a great segue into the sort of last thing I wanted to get a little feel for you from Mr. Mayo, which is we've been on this string of major

winners crazy class, right? So go back, we had seven majors in 12 months, essentially, with Kalamorakawa kind of announcing himself on the world golfing stage, then we have Bryson, then we have DJ, then we have Hideki, then we have Bill, then we have John Rom, and then we have Kalamorakawa, again, putting a beautiful bow on that seven major run. And with the way that we see super classy guys, the first part of this season kind of sizing up. And you hear some guys also talking about how much they're looking forward to the rest that they're going to get,

like just taking a break for the first time in 18 months. And, you know, we're looking forward to the majors in 2020. there's one guy I've already bet for the Masters, but give us a little feel for what you're anticipating. Is this run of class going to continue to be sustained, or do you think that because of the parody in professional golf that maybe we'll see some first-time winners come through next year? I always think, where is the PGA Championship is where next year?

They moved it to Southern Hills. Southern Hills? All right. I can see a first-time winner coming out of there. I keep getting it confused because the Rider Cups of Quail Hollow just in my mind because I was looking at, I was looking at the Wells Fargo. I was like, oh yeah, it's not a quail hollow this year. Where is it? When I was writing it my pre-view, I've already started writing my previews for next year. And now everything is jumbled in my mind. I would have to think so. When we think about like class players, like Hadeki wouldn't really be in that. He is now because he won the Masters and he just won the Zosso. But going into the masters, I mean, the guy was like 55 to 1. He wasn't considered to be one of the top 10 players in the world. So we put a lot of retroactive class on the guys that end up winning. Like Morikawa, yes, when he won the open chance. championship, like when you look at it and be like, oh, yeah, he's like the number six, player of the world. But I think at the time he was the number six or number seven. But in terms

of the betting odds, he was like number 18 that week. People didn't have any faith to call him Moracawa was going to win. So I really think we can tell ourselves a narrative after the fact. I would guess at the Masters, it's one of the guys you would expect to win the Masters, who tend to play well there time and time out. Like, is it going to be Paul Casey? Probably not. But he is someone who tends to play well at the Masters year over year. It's probably not going to be one of the young, young, young guys who hasn't made any sort of impact at Augusta yet. So I always think that Augusta is probably the most, it's not the most wide open because you probably have like 15 to 20 guys who can really go out and win based on how well that they

know the course. Every now and then, you're going to get your outlier when Speed wins in a second goal or will it ends up winning. But everyone else, you can kind of point to something in their career or their leading form that would lead to that moment at Augusta. And the U.S. Open can always just be so difficult when you get the wind of the Open championship. If you get caught in the wrong wave, you could absolutely just be demolished and then you have no chance of winning. Pat, do you ever place bets on the majors this early? Or do you need more

info before you really jump in? It all depends on what the odd actually is. Like, I mean, the only reason that I think that I have a career in golf right now is calling Danny Willett to win the master's at 150 to 1. We got that 150 to 1 in January because he was winning tournaments on the European tour. He was at the 13th ranked player in the world. And for whatever reason, he was still 150 to 1. The books just never updated them. I was like, all right, let's all bet Danny Willett right now. And by the time it came around, he was 50 to 1, but we had gotten that huge number. We never thought that he was going to win. We just capitalized on what we thought was a bad line. So that's really all I'm doing in terms of major betting right now is, is that are there bad lines out there right now that we can hit?

That is someone 100 to 1 that I think is going to be 40 to 1 by the time the tournament comes around. Whether I think they're going to win or not, can I get some line value on that going into the tournament? then it just doesn't cost me as much to bet on it when it comes around. So that's really what I'm looking for if I'm going to speculate for the future. It's not like, oh, man, Sam Burns, you know, he really showed me something at Shriners and Sanders and firms. Let me make my master's bet before it goes down. Like, Sam Burns will go back to 100 to 1.

It'll be okay. So I'm really just trying to get you to take a shit on House's Rory Masters bet. He knew where this was going. The night dog knows. What odds did you get? 14. I had him at 14. And this is before he won at C.J.

C.J. he won at a couple weeks ago. I mean, those aren't terrible odds. Like, realistic, Boreal probably be 12, 14, or 16 by the time the Masters comes around. But you probably didn't need to lock up your money this. No, just the heart wants what the heart wants. Yeah, he's the worst rom-com in the world. Like, he just constantly goes back to the girl who just despises him and lets him down. And he just gets his heartbroken.

I said so many bad things about him at the Ryder Cup. that I just felt like I needed to get myself right with the golf gods again. Stockholm syndrome. It's funny, looking at these futures right now, like the books are savvy to people speculating on some of these longer odds, because all the odds are terrible right now on everybody, that by the most of these guys, by the time the week of the Masters comes along,

they're going to be like double or triple these odds. Like Jason Day is currently 50 to 1 to win the Masters. Like, give me a break. But he should be like 300 to 1 to win the Masters right now. I hope he comes back. I mean, he's a linchpin to the Masters. president's cup team this year, isn't he? So he needs to be making a comeback if the internationals have any chance. But I want to leave you with two things. What shots stick out the most to you

this year? Because I have three just off the top of my head in my mind that kind of define what 2021 the season was in golfing. I'm curious to know what your guys is are. Bryson's Drive on one on the Ryder Cup. Bryson's Drive on the Green. That counts. Hold on. Bryson's Drive at one during the Ryder Cup. You think that was better than Bryson's Drive on one during the Ryder Cup? drive on six at Bay Hill, you kidding me? You Americans. Everything's about America. He did. It was unprecedented.

Nobody had ever driven the green and then made the putt. It was in his singles match against Sergio, like the all-time greatest rider cupper in the history of that competition. I understand why it René's coming from. For me, it is Phil on number six at Kiowa

on Sunday. The sand trap. Yes, the sand trap. I have JT. 77. second hole at the players. Yeah. I can't believe that didn't go in the water. It just blows my mind. And it's funny because I think the Bryson won

is the most memorable shot of the year from Bayhill. Like that got... He put his arms up with Lee Westwood and, yeah. Yeah. Any won the event. That was great. It wasn't like, you know, he teed off on one at a glorified exhibition event with the U.S. up by 35 points.

And great. Yeah. There was probably more pressure on the T-ball at Bay Hill. and his exultation. He really did cement. That will be an iconic image, an iconic moment in Bryson's career and us as golf fans, you know, forever. With that those arms raised over his head after he did it and the crowd going crazy.

You don't get that in golf very often. So I'm glad that we have that on our list for sure. Did you, are you going to bet Tiger Woods 40 to one to win the Masters right now? Oh, my God. It's so insulting. Who is that? I probably just want to see him in the best of health, enjoying himself, walking around down in the Bahamas at the hero in, in what is it, two months, Nate?

Yes. Yeah, just taking in some rays, walking around in his hot Nike's. Without a limp. Yeah, minimum limp. And, you know, all will be right in the golf world. Oh, you know what was a great story for the year that we just did? We completely flew by. I'm so glad Tony Fienow one.

Yes. Heartwarming. So that's a guy who I thought, you know, he could show up on a list if you're looking at odds for majors in 2022. You know, worth a dabble if you can catch him at north, at 35 to 1 or, you know, north of that, it's probably not in the cards because he won. But if he's anywhere near those mid-30 numbers, I'm playing him. Yeah, he's 30 at the Masters.

I saw Daniel Rapapour was doing a story about like the best golfers like in history per region, so like by common. So North America, Europe, Africa. But for Oceania, it was between like Greg Norman and Vijay Singh. And everyone was kind of like, well, VJ has the majors. He has the wins. Norman was kind of a gagger. And then you go look at his like career results. He has all these top fives at majors. And it got me thinking is if Louis had just converted half of the majors he's come and second in, would we consider him to be like a top 10 golfer of all time? All time is tough. He'd have like six majors. That would put him in the conversation, that's for sure.

I mean, that makes him even with Phil, essentially. Yeah. Do we have Phil in, what, the 10 to 15 range all time? Maybe it's just inside of 10? I don't know. So let's say top 20 golf are then. I mean, he has what? So he would have, they'll give him four majors.

I think he has six runners up or seven runners up. So you give him three or four more. That gets them to four or five. I guess, I mean, it's, well, you know, it's Brooks Kepka territory is where it is. Yes. Yeah. I still can't get over Louie's. Speaking of golf shots,

just the absolute blistered drive into the water in the playoff in New Orleans, where he let down Schwartzel and gave it to Leishman and Smith. It was just a classic Louis moment. It was like, he's going to finally win. Nope, he's not.

He's going to push it in the water. We cannot end on that sour note. We're going on a sweet note. The last time Mayo was on, we tried, we took a vote amongst ourselves for the drink of the PGA championship. We looked at the drinks menu down there at Kiowa. I did a little investigational research before today's episode here.

Apparently the national drink of Bermuda, do either one of you guys care to hazard a guess? Kina Colada. Not quite. The coconut thing is not that prominent in Bermuda because Bermuda's closer to South Carolina. Latitude-wise. It's not close enough to the equator for the big coconut vibe. Oh, fun, Pat.

This is the only tournament. Is it like a dark and stormy? It's in that vein. It's closer to, to, it's a, it's, It's a rum drink. It is a drink called the rum swizzle. And apparently the swizzle stick is like a genuine, like there's a tree, a swizzle tree, and you cut the swizzle stick, you know, off a branch of the swizzle tree. And there's rum involved and there's pineapple or orange juice is involved.

And then there's a liqueur that was in the 1930s, this liqueur was kind of, you know, common in Bermuda. it begins with a P. I can't repeat it. But all across Bermuda, every one of a handful of venues claim that they are, they have the authoritative rum swizzle. There is a place called the Swizzle stick that probably has the legit claim to it, since it's in the name of the bar and it's the name of the drink. But why don't we all just commit to over the course of this week, let's go ahead and see if we can't build out a rum swizzle for ourselves,

even though it's Thanksgiving. We're approaching Thanksgiving here in the United States. And Ken had already had its Thanksgiving. Let's give thanks for the rum swizzle. At least we can watch this tournament. Can we though? When you say we can watch it, are you like flying down with your brother and you get like your iPhone and you're filming it?

Because I'll tune into that. I will. No, even the players can't get there. Some of the players can get there. There's no spectators can get there. You can take a boat or something like that? Rent a boat. We'll figure it out.

We'll figure it out. This is the only tournament all year that's in my time zone, which is nice. Atlantic Daylight Time. There we go. And this is why we had you on. We knew it was the instinct. Pat Mayo, the Pat Mayo experience, Pat, tell everybody about the 17 different things that you're doing right now, football, hockey, baseball, all across, not baseball, but definitely

every other professional sport. Yeah. So on the Pat Mayo experience, obviously I cover the PGA tour and the NFL. It's hardcore into NFL betting season right now. How's? Are you doing as poorly as I am? I did not do well. This past week I had been on a decent string.

Fortunately, the bet the house, best bet is now five and two. We were five and one. And then I bet on the goddamn Philadelphia Eagles. And boy, do they stink. What a disaster. Here's the thing. I actually, so I'm not doing well with my like secondary or tertiary picks. The best bet now goes to six and one.

Thanks to someone talking me into not betting Dolphins money lines. but betting dolphins plus two and a half. It never works out that well for me. I couldn't believe it. It was fantastic. We're breaking everything down on the Pat Mayo experience, whether it be daily fantasy, betting, standard fantasy,

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the Pat Mayo experience. Thank you for coming on. We're all very excited for Atlantic Daylight. golf tournaments with the butter bean classic in Bermuda getting us ready for Thanksgiving. I guess let's all drink some rum swizzles. Nate Dog, I think we're taking a break next week and then we're back for the Houston Open. We will have this Bermuda rum swizzle in our rearview mirror, but I'm sure that we will enjoy the hangover no matter what comes.

There we go. My birdie buddies, my par saving pals, my eagle enthusiast. Until next time, let's head them straight out there.