Fairway Rollin' - Ep. 4: 'ShackHouse' Masters Recap

Episode Date: April 11, 2016

Geoff and House recap Danny Willett's Masters win, Jordan Spieth's collapse, CBS's telecast miscues, and House's Masters menu. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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back from Augusta, Georgia is Joe House. How's how you doing? I'm great. I am in chilly, Washington, D.C., but I'll tell you, my heart is warm after that performance by Danny Willett. Yeah, that's nice that you're taking away that warm, fuzzy feeling,

because everything I've read so far is a pretty depressed kind of reaction, sadden, shocked, unhappy, people wanted the star to win, but how can you not love a guy going bogey-free to win the masters? Yeah, somebody blew up, but, you know, he won it. He won it. And part of my warm feeling may or may not have something to do with the fact that I had him at a wonderful 50-to-1 odd situation. Wow, you just came right out with it right off the bat. Well, it's, you know, part of the enjoyment of watching golf is picking, making a few friendly wagers and having different things to kind of track. I had made a small play on guys making the cut, a small play on, you know, a group of the big six winning the thing. And then a few long shots.

and one of those long shots was coming along pretty nice on Saturday, and I thought, you know, this will be fun. This will make it fun to watch Sunday. Not that there's anything about Master's Sunday that isn't fun already in and of itself. But as the day progressed and Jordan rattled off those four birdies six through nine, I thought, well, good, I'm going to, I had a nice little wager on Danny Willett, in a top 10 position, finishing the top 10. I was like, great, I'm going to get that one, and we'll get Jordan winning,

so I'll get that big six one, and what a wonderful Sunday. And then right around 5 o'clock, things started to change a little. Wow, that was pretty stunning. And the press center, as you can imagine, people are already starting to write their speed stories, and it was very quiet when that all kind of went down. It was, in fact, I mean, I would even dare say we were a little bored like it. this is just going to be a nice five, six-shot win, favorite. He's got it. No big deal. I walked out to go watch him tee off on 10, and he looked great. He marched onto the tee.

You know, hit a little bit right, but nothing horrible. And you just sense, eh, you know, this is done. He's played beautifully. This is his golf course. He's putting the greens well. And voila, he got to the 12th tee. And I really thought that was just an incredible sequence. And for a number of reasons, but mostly because. no matter what you want to say about how he mishit the shot or if he hit it fat or he pushed it or he tried to hit a draw and all that. Ultimately, his takeaway quote was that he kind of rushed it a little bit. And that's going to be the thing that bothers him over time. He rushed his line. And I mean, we've grown up, some of us listening to Ken Venturi for years and years, say play to the middle of the green.

Every time no matter where the hole is located and what does Jordan do, he plays it right at the flag, hits a little bit fat. And if he's playing to the center of the green, he's at least probably in the bunker in front of the green. And maybe Danny Willett doesn't win the Masters. The thing that surprised me the most and was a real disruption to the speed narrative was the drop, the shot that he hit after he hit it in the water. Because the kid has shown us in 18 months that he's been atop the golf world,

an unbelievable resiliency, an unbelievable ability to minimize the damage. And it was the first time, I think, that we've seen him literally in shock after making a mistake and letting that shock control his next two shots because after he hit his, you know, what counts as his third shot into the water,

his fifth shot into the back bunker also stunk. It was a terrible. shot and honestly he was very lucky to save seven at that point. Yeah and he afterwards he lamented a couple of things about that whole sequence. He lamented that he didn't use the drop area that he got a little bit cute and he tried to get a yardage that he thought was a better yardage and I think it left him with a little bit of a hanging lie that he hadn't quite expected. And I think in time there will be questions about just really the pace of that whole situation because he was getting hammered. all day on Twitter and by Danny Willett's brother about his pace of play. And he really was pretty slow this week and got a little whiny there on the 11th hole one day about not getting

to wait out of gust of win, which was kind of a rare moment of an obvious frustration because he was playing with somebody who was playing very slow and another player who was struggling. But he was also backing off of everything. Faldo even kind of picked on him on the telecast. and then here he comes to 12 and he really needed to that's when he needed to kind of play that card, that slow play card. And we've seen every player take their time on number 12. And he didn't, I mean, he wasn't lightning fast, but he definitely rushed some stuff there and his caddy kind of needed to settle him down and get in his face

and literally almost stand between him and the hole. But it's a very hard thing to do. It's Augusta, it's the Masters, it's the 12th hole. There are millions of people watching. you know that and it all happens so fast and it just can unravel so fast. But I also thought it was kind of a little perfect metaphor for his year. It's just been just that little bit off, that little bit weird, and he's been a little bit off and a little bit strange.

And it all kind of just unraveled right on that spot, probably the worst place, unfortunately, for it to happen. Well, I kind of loved it in this sense. I was not at that point rooting against Jordan Speeith, and I don't want anybody to misunderstand. Oh, come on. You had money. Admit it.

Now, he, well, I had money on him. So if he won, I would have still had a nice little taste. I would have broke even for the week. But the thing that I like the best about the collapse, as it were, was the relentless pressure that that golf course puts on players in the, in the moment. The fact that he confessed that he had at best his B-minus game from T to Green, and what we saw putting-wise was his usual, at least at the Masters, A-plus-plus-plus.

I mean, he's just incredible. He has an unparalleled skill on the greens, putting-wise. But that B-minus always catches up with the player. at Augusta. Oh, Augusta always catches the guy who's not hitting the ball, you know, sort of perfectly. And that was the biggest difference between he and Danny Willett yesterday. What do you think about that? Yeah, and that's going to be kind of the interesting thing for him going forward. Is he able, at some point, when he's not fuming about various things that went on, is he able to step back and say, all right, I had my B-minus game. I led the Masters through 66 holes. I had it.

I was that much better than the rest of these guys who just, they were just in a different league Jason's Day, Adam Scott, Bubba Watson, Rory McElroy. The course exposed them and exposed their weaknesses early on, whereas Jordan kind of, even with this B-minus game, hung in there, held it together, and then, you know, had a blow up at a time that was not ideal. And so if he can step back and look at that and realize that, he almost should gain confidence from it. But it's just so easy to say that. And when you know how few chances you have at these things and you're in the moment. And then you have to go put the green jacket on the guy and sit through that ceremony out there

and with all the suits and their pink skin from the week because they're all sunburned and tired. and from being the, well, I won't go into that. But anyway, it's a tough situation. I mean, you're just thrown into that and the awkwardness of Butler Cabin, and it kind of compounds the whole thing. We've never really seen somebody lose it that badly and then have to go to put on the green jacket.

But if he can step back and think about that, because those greens were vicious, the golf course was so tough, the conditions were so tough, maybe he can draw something positive from this, but it's going to really, take a while. Well, it's been a pretty impressive sustained run. That's five top five finishes in majors. And he really is not that far off, right? It really came down to a single hole, a single moment, a single sequence of mistakes that completely changed the trajectory. So I'm with you.

There's so many positives to take. He's still kicking everybody's ass on the Greens. And what he did to Rory McElroy on Saturday. I know you and I are going to talk a little bit about our biggest disappointments. The way he treated Rory McElroy, Murray before that Saturday round said, this is not a match play. I'm not looking at this as a head-to-head kind of thing. I'm going to go out and play the golf course. I'm going to focus on my game. And then immediately after the round, Rory's talking about how on number seven, that's really where the round changed because Jordan was in trouble, and he expected to make birdie, and his birdie turned into an eight-foot comebacker that he missed. But the most impressive kind of mental dominance, the fortitude, the mental fortitude that Jordan has,

and the way he kind of used that, it really was tiger-esque to me, the way that Roy just couldn't get anything going, and he was definitely taking the effects of Jordan's relentless success because Jordan didn't hit the ball great on Saturday either, but he managed to scramble around and still get around the golf course and Rory couldn't get anything going. That mental fortitude is something that obviously is going to continue to be the thing that he can point to. And you know, speaking of Rory, after Rory's collapse at Augustos in 2011, was that the year, he then went to congressional and beat everybody.

by 11 shots. So I'm not saying that Jordan's going to do the same thing, but with his composition, it wouldn't surprise me to see him go do something like that. No, but again, I think it's going to take him a while to cool off on this one. And again, he just has this issue that we saw on the West Coast swing after Capulah, where he's always a little agitated and always trying to get better and agitated in a good way. But lately it seems to, it seems like it's kind of shifted over to a slightly more neurotic or awkward or uncomfortable sensibility when you're kind of around him and you're watching him. Again, like he's just a little tired, a little jet lagged or a little bit off.

And he has to kind of get that squared away and then square away that this was a really great week. And whether he can do that in a few weeks and then when he has to kind of start turning up again or when he's chosen to start playing again. I don't know, but I can just imagine how angry he is at himself for a few of those things today, and he took the blame for him. But now, enough about the negative. Let's talk about Danny Willett.

This is going to be a tough one, House. You were watching the telecast. I sort of watched the telecast. I have the audio, but I'm also watching other holes. They give us this great little monitors. and it didn't seem like there was a great deal of excitement over Danny Willett on the CBS broadcast, which is understandable. They kind of centered around Speath.

And he's not somebody who's known to America. And by the way, shout out to you and to a few of the punters who were listening last week who took our advice that Danny was a nice second-round draft pick candidate, although still I, you know, second master's new. newborn, all the things that were going on. He didn't really practice until Friday. Although I kind of wonder now if all these other players over-prepared for Augusta and maybe his under-preparation took a lot of pressure off

and made him just kind of a little bit lighter on his toes and came in with a little less burden and a little less anxiety. I don't think it's an unreasonable thing to consider because he just put on an incredible performance yesterday. Yeah, I totally agree with that. He came in with a clear mind. He was changing diapers last week. And, you know, when you compare him to somebody like Rory, I don't want to beat up too much on Rory, but Rory's trouble appears to be all mental, all psychological at this point. A guy like Willett with nothing to lose, you know, just had one of the great moments in his life with his new son being born. Why not? Everything's gravy once you get to Augusta. The other thing that I think was, was really helpful to Danny Willett was playing with Lee Westwood yesterday.

How incredible that on the Sunday where he's in contention, he's playing with a guy that's essentially his mentor, the guy that he goes to for life advice in addition to golf advice. And the two of them really fed off that interaction all day long. They both had terrific rounds. I mean, Westwood's chip in on 15. And I was like, wow, we might have one, two here with Willett and Westwood. That's the way it turned out.

Spieth, you know, tied for second. But that sort of, that little cocoon, that familiarity, the relationship between the two Brits there was really interesting. Yeah, that was my question in the press conference. I didn't like asking it. I think it was like the third question. I don't like asking something like that early in, but you only get kind of one crack at it. So that was what I brought up. And he mentioned it in a way that it was just one of the many fortunate things that happened during the week.

I have a feeling when he steps back from the event and thinks about it more. He'll realize how great that was because you certainly can get a lot of bad pairings. And you can get pairings that are a little less comfortable. I don't know how much it makes him more comfortable, but it certainly doesn't hurt. And then to have Westwood, of course, playing well. And as you said, that chip-in on 15 brought him within one of Willett, which is sort of a thing that will probably be lost a little bit today. And in part because CBS didn't show that hole out for quite a while after it had happened.

We actually heard the – we could hear the roar and see it on our feet, and it was an unbelievable shot that Westwood made, especially because the wedge game's not as necessarily as strength. and so that that vibe had to be great but then to get up on 16 and that that's just sort of what I'm always amazed at is how easy those guys all make the 16th hole look on Sunday that shot is yes the ball funnels down to the hole and we had those three unbelievable hole in ones but that is just it's still not that easy of a shot to get where they got and where will it hit it and then speed of course hit a great shot and he got a little bit of a bad break the ball then

funneled down a little bit more because that putty had's just impossible. Unfortunately, it was only a few feet, but it was really a hard putt to make. I think it broke probably 10 inches. And Faldo even, I think, set a foot on the air. And that was kind of a cruel break. But Willett just to do what he did, to walk onto that tee, and then, of course, Westwood hits it on the front of the green and three putts. And he suddenly, just like that, he's three back and done.

Now, of course, the other thing with Willett that was a little bit, fun and I'm sure we'll get a little bit more of a story. It was asked after the roundhouse, but taking the sweatshirt off to make the 18-inch shirt to win the Masters. That was a little weird. He's pretty cheeky. I kind of like it in him. I mean, I know that social media was crazy with the Theon Lovejoy comparisons. Are you a Game of Thrones guy, Jeff? Ah, yes. I am familiar with the character. The tweets were fantastic last night, the ones that I saw with all the comparisons. But I think, you know, Willett's got a little bit of, I don't know, not a feisty streak,

but he's got a little bit of a snarky kind of sense of humor. And it was very deliberate that he took that sweatshirt off on 18, don't you think? He kind of fessed up at the end of his answer. He said he was hot all day. but it was never really warm enough to take it off. And then he did kind of throw something in there at the end that he wanted to see the green and show the green. But I think we'll get a little bit more on that one at some point. But he was great in the press conference.

He is a little bit cheeky. He's very, very down-to-earth guy. And, you know, he's not the kind of upper-class snobby Brit that you might get or expect. Sometimes he's just a very cool customer down to earth. But very smart, very media savvy, gives great answers. Another one of those players who gives you a really good answer and thinks things through and has something to say. And that's really a product. He kind of hangs around this Chubby Chandler group with Lee Westwood and Darren Clark and Chubby and his guys.

He's got a great group of people who work for him. They're a lot of fun. They have fun. They like to bet on the horses. They like to laugh. They have fun with Twitter. And as we saw, Danny's brother really has a lot of fun with Twitter. If people haven't seen that, it's worth checking out.

I posted some stuff on my site. I think everywhere they posted stuff. Jim Rome even put out a tweet that I think Peter won the day on Twitter. So the family has quite a – they don't take themselves too seriously. Let's put it that way. And that's really refreshing and always fun at Augusta, have somebody like that win. So pretty cool to have a winner like that. And it'll take the world of golf a little while,

Right House, to kind of wrap their head around it. I'm not surprised because we've known he's such a good player. And if you get up early in the morning and watch the golf channel, you know he's always in contention every week on the European tour. Oh, yeah. That was why when we were looking at odds on Monday and looked again on Wednesday, and obviously it's much more luck than anything else. but when I had control of the Callaway golf handle, Twitter handle for a little while,

one of the questions that came in is who do you like in the 50 to 1 class? And his name jumped right off the page because of what he'd already achieved this year. I loved the way he played down at Durrell. I mean, he was right there. He was one bad swing away from having a shot at a playoff down at Durrell. And I watched quite a bit of him. I knew his reputation from the success he'd had worldwide, but was very happy to watch him at Doral and get to see it. And he has all the shots.

The thing that was most impressive to me yesterday with him was not one wobble off the tea. The dude just raked off the tea. And I thought, you know, for that confidence, and again, it might have had something to do with Westwood. It might have had something to do with, you know, having nothing to lose. maybe a combination of those factors and others, but he was very, very comfortable off the tea yesterday. Oh, it was shocking down the stretch. I mean, you just keep waiting for something to happen.

Those last few holes, 17 and 18 are so tight, so narrow. It's so easy to bungle them, and a lot of people did, obviously, during the week. And he just didn't have any issue. Of course, you saw on 17, by the way, hit a drive in the fairway, and he basically has to hook a nine iron around a pine tree, which is just kind of a sad state of affairs on that hole. They've just overplanted it with trees. And I don't know if people realize how dicey that tee shot has become,

how difficult it is to hit that fairway. And, you know, Speed kind of, I think even gave the driver a little twirl off that tea. And because it's just, it's really become maybe the toughest driving hole on the course, even maybe tougher than number seven. And I don't care for it myself. I kind of like the old days when the 17th was a hole where, okay, they got through 16, and now they can kind of unleash one and get up there and position yourself, use the width of the hole, and then play an iron shot in.

It was kind of a little bit of a killjoy moment there yesterday with Dustin Johnson and Speeth and everybody, just not really, that hole, not being that hole. It used to be the perfect kind of three or five hole. You'd see a lot of birdies, but then you'd see somebody misplay the second shot and three, put and make five without even blinking. And I think that's a little bit of a shame and kind of a loss feature of the golf course. Yeah, I'm with you. I think back to the Kenny Perry moment. And I don't think, I think the whole played differently when Kenny played it. He had the championship wrapped up. And to your point about it being either a three or a five, it's,

it was the kind of hole where it was just the pressure of the moment that's going to dictate the performance. and Kenny Perry is an example of a guy that succumbed to that pressure of the moment. And we'd seen in the past, you know, somebody like Schwartzel, who was up to the pressure of the moment and birdied that as part of the four birdies that he had on the way into his green jacket. When did those trees go in? It's a pretty recent phenomenon, right? Yeah, those are the Tom Fasio planted trees with Hootie Johnson. and I can't remember the year now, but it's been too long, and they're getting too big.

When they planted them, I think they really honestly thought they were like a placeholder until something else was figured out, and that didn't happen. So they're now growing. They're really large, and they've taken a few of them out, but they're still just, it's just changed the nature of that hole. And when you watch something like the 86 Masters and 96, it just was a great three or five. hole and now it's not. And I don't sense that they're eager to change that because they're just kind of hung up on,

well, I think the loss of the Eisenhower tree there and a few other things, which, by the way, the Eisenhower tree came into play for these guys. A lot of players kind of didn't think it was a big deal that was gone. It made it a big deal because it actually, you couldn't really hit a three wood. You had to kind of bomb a driver over it. And now they can hit a three wood and play back and all this different stuff. And I kind of like that element, but I don't like the narrowness thing. It's just so against what Bobby Jones and Alastair McKinsey were about.

I mean, Bobby Jones once said, he was sitting on the porch and had probably quite a few and said to Alistair Cook, I don't see any need for a tree on a golf course. So when you see them using these trees as little decoys to kind of tighten landing areas to offset the ball, all you can, all I can think of is Bobby Jones, just rolling his eyes at some of it. But anyway, House, we got a lot to talk about on the other fun stuff with the Masters. We've got the golf course, a little bit more to kick around. We've got food, Bryce and Des Chambot, all sorts of cool stuff. So let's hold off for a second, though, say a word from our good friends of Calloway,

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So, anyway, the number one iron in golf, it's a face built for distance. It's from Calloway, and we thank them for their sponsorship of this show. All right, House. So the golf course, we just touched on it a little bit. Let's kick it around just a little bit more because you were there this week. It was a big part of the story. It's something I obviously cover for what I do for golf world and for golf digest and my site because I'm into architecture.

And we got some interesting stuff from Chairman Payne earlier in the week about kind of where they're headed. He was in a very jovial mood in his press conference. And I think he gave away a little bit more than he intended. When he reads that transcript here in a couple of weeks, he's going to think, wow, I was in a good mood that day. And he essentially admitted that the fourth and fifth halls are really on their radar, which I am going to be fascinated to see. But just kind of watching on TV and then also from your – actually, I'm curious,

you were there and then you watched on TV. Just your impressions of having been there for the first time in a while. Yeah, so I hadn't been in – six or seven years. And I was impressed by the condition of the fairways. You made the observation about them having kind of a tiny bit of hair with the express purpose of slowing down, you know, sort of fast roll guys hitting balls and having them roll forever, which would have the effect of favoring long hitters who can just sort of bomb it out there. And you could really feel that walking around on the grounds on Tuesday.

Tuesday was a beautiful day in Augusta, Georgia, with a light breeze. And watching on TV, it was hard to imagine what the big wind gusts were doing to that golf course on Friday and Saturday, especially. They were cruel, just cruel. I mean, just mind-boggling out there what the players had to face. And they were so random. and then when they'd come up, and, you know, just playing that kind of win on any golf course is tough, but then you're trying to hit the greens that are 13 on the stint meter.

They're like marble. They're firm. And you really, hitting into those greens is so difficult just in benign conditions because you're trying so hard to put it in one spot to put to the hole. And then trying to control the ball, and that is just, and you saw it, you saw it on the player faces. Interestingly, the funniest one of all was Saturday night. I had to leave a few minutes early to go to a function to give a little chat. And we were watching, and you saw these young guys, Day, McElroy, Speed,

they all look like they had the flu. They all look like they'd just been absolutely beaten to death. And then here comes Bernard Longer, just looking fresh as a daisy. And the only thing missing was like a sweater wrapped around his neck. He just looked like Mr. Cool customer. or has he's seen all this before. But the other, the young guys looked absolutely spent, and it just spoke to how, how relentless it is out there.

And that's what they want. And they got their sort of retro, Dan Jenkins, the matchers is all about socializing until the back nine Sunday. And it really has not been the case for a while. And it felt like this year was going to be another one of those. And then, sure enough, Dan's legendary comment came true. It really didn't start until the back nine Sunday.

And it was a lot of fun. And obviously not for Jordan Speed fans, but it was sort of a very old style masters that way. And then the actual architecture of the course ultimately was the deciding factor in what happened. It wasn't really the wind. It wasn't the firmness, the speed of the greens. It was speed mismanaging the angle of the hole.

And he knew it. And he knew it in his comments after. and it's shocking because here's a guy who's so thoughtful and so meticulous about these kinds of course management decisions in a place that he's studied and he knows so well. So I feel good about the week in that sense that the golf course and it functioned the way you'd hope it would and they kept it from getting silly. And so in that sense, to me, it's a home run. One thing about the conditions and the course that I thought was very, very interesting is how it exposed two guys in particular, and one of them was one of my big disappointments for the week. What the win did to Mickelson on the putting greens, you know, we had talked about coming into this week, we had high hopes for Mickelson because of his ball striking in the weeks leading up. you pointed out, you know, the thing that that is going to be his downfall is this tendency to be jamming putts.

And he didn't really do that. I didn't really see it much on Thursday. But on Friday in the wind, it looked like, you know, he putted one off the green on nine. He had a short birdie putt that he turned into double the length also on the front. And it looked like that in turn affected the remainder of his. game. He shot the highest score in 90 rounds. Third time he's missed a cut. And I can't help but think that his not wearing a belt on Friday had something to do with it as well. Now, I was with Mr. Stile, Marty Hackle, under the Big Oak, and we were doing a slideshow for Golf Digest.com

and sort of the best-dressed people there is just kind of a way to show off who's hanging out there and who's dressed well. And all of a sudden we hear this, hey, Marty, Marty. And it's It was Phil up on the upper deck of the clubhouse having lunch, and he wants to know what Marty thinks of the beltless look. And Marty gave him the thumbs up because he's a very nice man. And I said, but Marty afterwards, I said, isn't that kind of like the early 90s, late 80s champions tours, Sanzibelt pants look? And he didn't deny that, but he liked that look for Phil.

I don't think the belt ultimately, maybe carmically with the golf gods was a little bit of an issue, but I just think that he needs to get bent Crenshaw to just kind of, just say, Phil, I won two of these dying the ball to the hole. You won three of these putting that way, and why are you trying to, why are you trying to will the ball in through speed?

It's just, it's for a touch-feel putter, it's kind of amazing to watch. And it definitely was his downfall. But he was not the only one who tried to do that with the Greenspeed and try to kind of combat the win. Because it is shocking, I think, for people to realize how much the win played a role on the Greens this week. Yeah, well, and the other guy that seemed to be affected was Bubba,

which is kind of a weird thing to say because of all the shots that he has in his bag. You would think if anybody can flight the ball in a way that can, properly defend against the wind, it would be Bubba. The no laying up guys made the observation that, you know, are we, is Bubba a guy who's sort of normal performance is just making the cut and the two master's wins were an aberration at Augusta, you know, or is he a guy that comes down and dominates in Augusta? No, no, no. He just let the wind get to his whole way of thinking, his whole way of thinking, his whole

approach and he admitted it. I mean, you know, he had an okay weekend. He had a nice 71 on Sunday. And if you read the transcripts, he, as best as he can, fessed up to essentially having felt like he got a little bit of an unlucky break with the T-times. I don't know if that's the case, but that he was just a little unlucky and that he wasn't good with the win. And he, in his own way, admitted that. And that's it. It's as simple as that. And that's Bubba, though. That's the danger with Bubba and picking him and betting on him and all that good stuff is he can easily get thrown off. But when he's on, he's amazing. So no, I still think he'll win another Masters at least. He's just, he just hits it too long and knows that golf course too well and enjoys it too well.

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backslash house, enjoy the trunk. Beautiful. Now, speaking of enjoyment, house, 2004 was the last time you were to Guesta, right? I think so. You think so. Okay, we'll just leave it at that. So, you got to see the grounds, the merchandise, you made your contribution to help pay for the new 13th T. I understand.

I think I saw a little logoed shirt action there at the Callaway House. Oh, yeah, you got to come back with logo garb. Hell, you got to. Yeah, although I never quite understand people wanting stuff from this year's tournament when they weren't there. I always try to discourage people who ask for some stuff. You weren't there. Why do you want to answer to the question of, were you there? And then you say you weren't.

So anyway, but they sell plenty of stuff without 2016 on it. But just kind of your take on, you know, because so many people have different views of Augusta. And then the telecast reinforces certain impressions. And there is obviously a little backlash with some people who think it's all a little bit obnoxious or the place takes itself too seriously. And I think when you go there, you realize that they do things for a reason. And for one week a year, it's the way they do it. And you just either enjoy it and kind of admire it or you don't. And so I just kind of, I love hearing from people who haven't been there in a while or never at all kind of what they think of the whole experience.

So I don't know who would fit in the camp of not enjoying it. The reason that they, I think, exercise such dominion and control over the joint is because they know the formula that makes it the most exciting golf experience, you know, tournament-wise, on the planet. And they have a formula that works. So I was lucky enough on Tuesday to go in there with the great Harry Arnett of CallawayGoff and Callagoff.com and a couple other Callowayways guys that had never set foot in the place again.

So for me, it was re-remembering the experience, and Harry was an awesome tour guide. And these two guys, it was the brand new experience. We walked up the pathway up the practice range, and that's in and of itself kind of a jaw-dropping moment. You're very close to the players. Guys are out there hitting all kinds of shots. It's very cool.

The stands were already filled at 11.30 in the morning on Tuesday at the practice range. But that only gives you kind of. of a, it's the perfect introductory glimpse into the experience that awaits you. You turn a corner, you walk down the hill, and you walk through the main pavilion that opens on to one and walking up to one, being with the two guys that had never been there before, the reaction that they had, and me re-remembering what it looks like. You can't really, your brain can't anticipate what the place is going to look like

because the greens are extra green and the browns are extra brown and everything is cut so perfectly. All you see is sort of precise lines everywhere. One of the guys that we were with took four steps and jumped on the ground and started rolling around like a dog because he couldn't believe the way the grass felt and wanted to feel it on his back. I'm not going to name names, but Johnny Rodriguez did a great job with the, drop and roll, drop and dog roll. And then from there, we just walked down to Amen Corner. We walked right to, we started down 10, right?

So you can get the feeling for the tremendous change in elevation that 10 represents. It almost feels like a ski slope. Like in the winter, who could get permission to go down on a sled? I mean, I don't know if Augusta Grant, maybe if Condi asked, you know, they would let her go down on a sled. but it's an incredible hill and we walked down to the place we approximated as best we could where Bubba hit out of the trees on 10

and then turn the corner Oh, of course. Everybody does that now. Yeah, got to go there. You got to, because it's unbelievable to see with your own two eyes. It is unbelievable. And then we walked down to Amen corner

and took all that in and, you know, it's just an incredible experience. And the thing that happens without fail, folks running into other folks so that you're you're it's like hey you know that that old familiar um you know great unexpected but great to see friends kind of a experience and um even though the place it has the no cell phone policy and you're not really it's very difficult to set up logistics to run into other people you just manage to find other people in your crew we managed to reconnect with

everybody in our group about two hours in, not surprisingly by the concession stand over near in the 7-8 territory. Shocking. Yeah, hard to believe. But, you know, it's just an experience that is almost indescribable. You have to walk it yourself to kind of take it all in and process it. But it always exceeds what you expect because you can't anticipate. how it's going to look. So that's my take. Okay, well, that sounds about right. That's a pretty phenomenal sense you gave us.

I love that. And it is interesting how the scale of the place sort of shocks people, too, how big the golf course is. I think television makes it look a little bit more intimate than it is. But I'm glad to hear you guys reconnected. I wrote a piece for golf world today. And I'm not sure how to go over with the club, but I essentially kind of called them out a little bit on the cell phone thing because they are so good at innovation.

They're doing this amazing app, amazing website. They now introduce virtual reality, which is just mind-boggling. I got to test that. The 4K, I thought, looked amazing in terms of detail. I wasn't wild about the color, but they're doing all these progressive things, house. And then you kind of go out there and not... Yeah, the no cell phone thing, I know this is a total first world problem, and there are people listening to this just, just their hearts are just bleeding at the poor plight of the people who get a ticket to the masters and can't connect with their friends or check a scoreboard on Sunday.

But it is just this weird little dichotomy, the place you go into the cell phone free zone, and the person at home actually has more information and camera angles and kind of insight into what's going on. And so I think that's something they're going to have to really grapple with now that people are so connected to their phone. And then the club is feeding the world with all this amazing content through their app and their website that allows you to – I mean, when I left early on Saturday, I listened to the whole telecast through their app without a single little hiccup on the stream for the last two of holes. And they just – the technology by IBM and AT&T is, you know, a big part of their thing. and they have all these bigwigs, and the members are using their phone now around the property more,

and that doesn't help. So that's one thing. It's kind of a weird balance that they have to strike going forward, and especially the first three days where it's kind of a social event. But again, these are the problems of very first-world types, and it's an amazing place to see an experience. I'm really glad you guys did, and you got to go with some first-timers as well.

That's pretty awesome. Yeah, well, the bug I'll put in your ear, you and I were not able to connect because of the cell phone thing. I'm looking very forward to getting back down there next year and getting the Shackleford tour, because I know that you have some nooks and crannies and some spots, some vantage points that you were eager to share that we'll have to, you know, do next year and talk about next year. Yeah, I'll give you the full architectural tour more than you ever wanted to know about how the course should be restored. I promise I'll limit it to only like six of the holes that they need to do a little bit of work on. Well, you can do as many as you want as long as you feed me those ice cream sandwiches. Oh, yeah, yeah, the Georgia Peach.

You know, I went through three for the week, and I still feel very strongly about it. I got a few nice messages on Twitter from folks who were not aware of it and who were attending the Masters and had one. And so I was pleasantly surprised that I could expedite their demise on this planet by having them inject themselves with that. I hate to think what's in it, but gosh, it's good. I mean, what's the point of living if you can't have that? What's the point of living? Come on. Exactly.

All right, we've got a few more things to cover on the Masters House, including some more food talk. But we have to do that. And we'll do it in the speed round presented by our friends at Calloway, who remind you, to quickly head over to Callawaygolf.com slash community and sign up for their Callaway community. There's some great questions actually up there for us. There's some discussion groups, all sorts of great information, and a great way to get a chance to hit prototypes and all sorts of cool stuff from Calloway. All right, House, biggest surprise of the 2016 Masters.

My biggest surprise was Lee Westwood. I did not see any kind of strong performance from him, you know, coming into the thing, it was a real reminder of how Augusta is really an old horse course. I know longer, you know, sort of owned that storyline Friday and Saturday, the old horse storyline. But Westwood, God bless him, really acquitted himself beautifully. And it came out of nowhere. His best performance in this season, which, you know, includes some 2015 time as well, was like a, you know, tied for 28th or something in the Ned Bank something or other. So I was, I'm always happy to see the old guys come up and, and play great at a place like

Augusta because it's a reminder. And Longer said this of how important patience and sort of understanding what the course is trying to do to you and, you know, the ability to kind of navigate around and stay out of huge trouble. How important those skills and traits are and part of what makes Augusta so special. Yeah, and, you know, he's going through divorce. His short game's been terrible. And so to see him do that, now that'll probably, I think that's going to get him back on the

Ryder Cup team. And he's a super guy. I really like him. And kind of a lot of us have sort of written him off. So pretty neat to see, to see him do well there. And then also obviously kind of contribute in a, in a subliminal way to Danny Willits win. For me, it was Matthew Fitzpatrick.

That closing round was incredible. By the way, another Chubby Chandler client, part of that, as they like to call it, the stable. And what an amazing finish yesterday. He is a very interesting talent. He's kind of a little guy, but he's kind of bulked up a little bit. He's a good athlete. And he dropped out of Northwestern early on.

He's very set on doing big things. He's 21 and to play the way he did get that top 10. Great finish Sunday. I just didn't, you know, I didn't sense that one was coming. He's kind of had an up and down year so far. And he definitely, I think, took the prize for me as biggest surprise, although Speets course management on the 12th hole. And really, Danny, I'll be honest, Danny Willett playing as well as he did.

Coming in, kind of underprepared, I think, is a huge surprise. All right. House, Bryson D. Chambot had an awesome debut. I think. Of course, he thought he had a chance to win and he certainly was contending there and almost got himself in the final pairing on Saturday. Rub some people the wrong way. Rub some people the right way. I love the way. I love the way how bright he is and how quirky is. What did you think? Did you get to see kind of any of his play or his press conferences? I saw quite a bit of him. I love the kid. We talked about him a little

bit, I think, on Monday. I know we've covered him before. This was the biggest dose I've gotten of him, both on the golf course and in the press setting. And I thought he did an incredible job in both settings. I love how his game is so all over the place. He'll go ahead and, you know, three over, four over on the back nine par fives but bertie you know the the couple of the hardest holes on the golf course like like it's nothing um the performance on 18 on friday was incredible um i thought that that uh you know it looked like he was staring 10 in the face and and the fact that he saved seven was was pretty outrageous to me. I had a friendly wager with a friend that he would shoot near even par on Saturday. I regretted it immediately when I saw the wind Saturday morning.

But he had enough game. He shot 77 on Saturday, but had enough game, but for the big blow-up mistakes that he had to be right around there. It was an awesome debut. I think we're just scratching the surface with the kind of unique thinker and talent that this kid is. And I couldn't get enough. Yeah, his answers were interesting on the press conference Friday night. I asked a couple questions in it. And he, on the way out, a couple of the writers were groaning about, ah, you know, this and then.

He kind of rubbed them the wrong way. And I go, well, I understand. He gave some short answers. speak. He gives short answers to mediocre questions, we'll call them. And he also, his body language wasn't great. He's like fiddling with a water bottle. And he kind of looked bored. But he's not. He's just one of those people. He's a little bit of a savant. The head's going on a million different directions. And he's, he's thinking about the questions in the press conference. He's probably thinking about dinner. He's probably thinking about the golf swing. You can just see there's a lot

going on there. And so it's always fascinating when a player has that much on their plate that they then go out and he plays the way he did with such confidence, so relaxed. And like you noted, and he noted it himself, the par five play was terrible. And that's going to be the thing when he looks back on this week. He really did have a chance as an amateur to contend had he played the par fives better. And he'd studied the course so much. It's such a key.

And it's one thing to just kind of play them, you know, even parish and just mediocre, in a mediocre way, but he had some bad numbers on the par fives. And for somebody with his link, that's going to really bother him. The only bummer with Bryson was he was slow. And, you know, Jordan Speath, one thing that won't be really acknowledged a whole lot was he kind of took a lot of heat for his pace of play. And in that pairing with Casey and Deschambeau, Casey was in trouble a lot. DeChambeau was really slow.

and Casey, you know, he's normally a pretty normal-paced player, and then Jordan's kind of a moderate to slow. And yet he was the one that sort of had to kind of take some of the brunt of it and got upset at being put on the clock. And he could have very easily said, hey, you know what? The guys I was playing with weren't helping either. And he didn't throw them under the bus. And I thought that was really admirable. He kind of took the bullet and also didn't really let it spiral into. to something. He kind of looked out for his fellow playing partners and for Bryson, and I thought

that was cool. So Bryson could pick it up a little bit, and I'm sure he will. But an awesome debut. Now, House, let's get into the food. What did you sample? What did you like? What was your favorite thing there this week? So I'm not going to walk in the place and not have pimento cheese and not have egg salad. I mean, it goes without, those are the mandatory. Those are must-have sandwiches. I had more than one of both of those delicious samplings. The thing that I went for this year that was not on my radar in years past was the barbecue sandwich. And I had the barbecue sandwich

with two packs of hot sauce, one for each portion of the bun. And I can't tell you what a revelation the barbecue sandwich was. Now, I don't want anybody to think that I'm putting it in the class of, you know, Texas barbecue or any of the fine states, you know, Kansas City. It's not that kind of thing. It's a little bit sweeter, but it was a nice, meaty sandwich, perfect for that Tuesday afternoon stroll, perfect with a delicious domestic beer. And with the hot sauce, the combination of the sweetness and the hot, it was really a lovely sandwich. It is now firmly on the house menu. So I have three sandwiches. You know what? I might do.

do is toned down. Two pimento cheese sandwiches is one and a half too many. The thing about the pimento cheese, it's wonderful and it's so unique. It really deserves only a half sandwich kind of consumption. I didn't need to do two. I came in charging out of the gates. It was a little bit of a rookie mistake. I hadn't been there in so long. I was enthusiastic about getting back on that pimento cheese horse, and I overdid it. But welcome aboard barbecue sandwich. Nice. Nice. Yeah. That is a little strong on the Pimino front. But you're rusty. You haven't been back in a while, and that's understandable.

I'll tell you, the ham and cheese, I know it's a little boring, but they make a really good one. It's sneaky good. And, of course, at the prices, how can you complain about any of them? They're all ridiculously priced. And it's almost not fair to other golf tournaments, how inexpensive they are. I'm sticking with the Georgia Peach ice cream sandwich. it's just too good, too much of a delicacy.

And frankly, somebody asked on the Calloway community, Z for Babes or Bees, BES, BES, anyway, thanks for the question about your house eats, and then also want to know which tournament has the best food. I think the Masters is the best food because it's the best at the price. You can't beat it. Although, I've got to say, the WGC matchplay with the local Torchise tacos and barbecue and stuff was pretty awesome. but hard to beat the masters so uh house what else is there anything else we need to cover on the week

anything smiley coughman billy pain so you know the one thing i i do think we should talk about with smiley and you mentioned the the the pairings i do think it was a little bit of a disservice to jordan to have smiley as his playing partner it's unfortunate that smiley missed that birdie putt on one. It kind of let all the hair out for the possibility of those two guys inspiring one another and taking each other to greater heights, which is kind of what we observed with Willett and Westwood. It might have been fun. I thought part of Jordan's success Saturday had to do with putting the beat down on Rory. Rory was my biggest disappointment of the week, mainly because he was not competitive. I didn't like one bit what I observed out of him mentally on Saturday. He was not up

to the challenge. Who was your biggest disappointment? Probably, Rory. Although he kind of recovered for me after the round with his comments that he has a mental hurdle at Augusta. He wants it so badly that he lets that get in the way and he played defensive golf instead of his his style. And I just admired him tremendously for admitting that and kind of throwing that out there. A lot of the players can't do that. But no, I think I'd say my biggest disappointment is probably Jason Day, just that he came in playing the way he did. And then when you look at his ball striking stats, they were not good. And his putting was good. And there's somebody who's also just going to be sitting back this week and just thinking, wow, how did I go from playing the way I did to

kind of having to rely on my putter to kind of get me around. But that's just, it's the nature of the game. People do forget, I think we've been a little spoiled this year in the run-up to the Masters at how consistently good some of these players have been playing, and that it's a week where a lot can go wrong pretty quickly. As Adam Scott said, there are fine lines out there. He just kept repeating it at the end of the round yesterday. He was 11 over.

It doesn't look great on the leaderboard. But he really wasn't that far from having a good week. He admitted he kind of threw in the towel a little bit yesterday once he realized he couldn't have a birdie run. And I admire that as well, being honest about that because, yeah, and he's just there to win. He doesn't care about second or third. So it's a place that requires so much precision and it exposes so much, as you alluded to. And I admire them from being able to maintain that. I don't like the way they do it sometimes with some of the tree planting and some of the green speeds pushing the,

the numbers that they're pushing. But all in all, I hope people felt like it was a satisfying event. Sometimes they don't based on the winner, and certainly in the press room, you get some fun grumbling on that. But then when everybody kind of remembers it, Willett has been one of the best players in the world and that he, you know, he's a European tour. I love seeing them get some love. They are a great group of people on a great tour.

And it's since 99 House. It's been since a European one. I feel like that's a great takeaway. And I think, you know, Spieth, it's just he's a very beloved figure right now in the game. So it's going to be a struggle for people to kind of put a smile on the week. But gosh, I don't think in terms of entertainment value and day-to-day interest during the tournament, you really could ask for more. I couldn't agree more.

The last three hours from like, you know, 4 o'clock to 7 o'clock is everything you want out of a Sunday masters. I would have enjoyed the ascendance to the throne if Jordan had held on because it would have permitted, you know, CBS was already primed for this narrative. All they showed was Jordan Speath and they wanted to show his ascendance and I would have enjoyed two hours' worth of context, you know, about how remarkable his run was and all of the, you know, the consecutive rounds that he led

and how he compared to all of the greats. And then in one swing, it's all over. And we're talking about a different, very deserving champion. That's the beauty of the Masters to me. Yeah. I forgot. That was what I wanted to ask you about, the telecast. Did you have any thoughts on it?

I didn't love it. I really find it so curious that NBC is so far ahead. of CBS in terms of golf coverage for golf lovers. I don't know what it's going to take for CBS to jump into the 21st century. Where is Pro Tracer? And why am I reading the day after that the BBC broadcast, the Euro broadcasts, had the technology and was showing it to their viewers. And I'm in here in the United States watching the ball against the green sky and trying to

pick up, especially the drives. and I would have loved to have seen the pro tracer on some of those wayward drives that Jordan hit just to see how far right that ball was going so you can really get the feel, the scale for the for the scrambling that he had to take on. I was disappointed by that. I also thought it was pretty unfair. I'm a big Dotty Pepper fan. Love her in all of the media that we've seen her in and think that she's been a great asset

to the various places that she's been doing, you know, golf media. They had her what felt like to me out on an island out there on 13, and her efforts throughout the week to engage with her television broadcast colleagues felt so awkward. There was at least one instance where she asked Faldo to confirm something, an observation she made, and he was either paying attention to something else. One time he said, I'm sorry, I wasn't in the tower. I'm walking up there now.

Like, what? What are you talking about? So I guess they'll get that figured out. I'm happy to have her part of the podcast because she's super knowledgeable and everybody thinks so well of her. And she's going to be giving us valuable information and input. But I didn't like the way they used her this week. So that's kind of my take on the broadcast. Yeah, they threw her on a tough hole.

You know, they used to the first time announcer would start on 10 or 14. And to get thrown in on 13 is really tough. It's such an important hole. And they have a very difficult situation there where they move Nance and Faldo over to Butler Cabin, and then they're back to 18. And I really don't know how they do it, frankly. They probably need to have a host in Butler Cabin again,

but it's just sort of fitting that they feel like Nance is the best person to do that. And he probably is in terms of you wanting kind of the gravitas of the whole thing. But the pro-tracer thing, Shock Me House. Martin Kaufman at Golf Week.com has a pretty tough review the telecast and he mentioned that and the number one thing i get on twitter and hear from people is why can't we have protracer more and then at the masters at all and so when i was searching last night for for an photo of sky or like a screen grab of sky and and bbc's use of it i i didn't realize i found out they've been using it since 2013 and so it's one of those things you just assume all the

lords of augusta say no no no we don't like protracer and and it's needed there more than any other golf tournament because there's no blimp. There are no crane cameras, so you don't get those sort of what Tommy Roy calls a speed shot. You just, you lose the ball off most of the T's there because of the club's desire to just not have blimp shots and not have big cranes out on the course, and that's fine.

But you got to have the pro tracer now because people kind of expect that. And my biggest beef was that they kind of lost the context of Westwood's Eagle Chip-in, and they were showing some stuff that really, didn't matter. And that's tricky. And again, that's seeing that, having all those different feeds, I mean, we'll see that, although you hear the roar on the telecast. And so it's a little aggravating as a viewer to hear that roar and then not know what it was for several minutes. And obviously, they have a lot of things to do and a lot of things to check off. But when you watch that 86

Masters, there's very little of those shots being on tape, except, of course, Nicholas's early birdies were on tape because Frank Tricheneon didn't really want to. cover him. So yeah, it's a, it's a tricky thing because they obviously want to appease the club. You don't always know what the club likes and doesn't like because, as I mentioned earlier, they're so cutting edge on some of this stuff with technology and they're so open to new stuff. But then they also want this extreme restraint in other areas. And so I think for CBS, it's a very, very difficult thing to balance and figure out. out. And of course, we'll never in those meetings, but it's something that's always

scrutinized and kind of a fun part of the whole post-analysis of the event. And they do the same. They do it internally. And it would be, boy, I'd love to hear some of those meetings and hear what they'd like to do and can't do. I will say, though, House, did you see the drone shots of the golf course going to commercial? I did. A few times. I did. Those were breathtaking. I mean, it just shows you how we still have a long way to go in golf television, that we are not seeing drones with gopros or whatever camera is on that drone. I mean, those visuals of the 13th green, the 12th hole, I think there were some around the clubhouse too, are unbelievable. You just realize how stunning a golf course can look on television. And yet, that's really about the only time of year you see the drone used.

Fox may use it a little bit at the U.S. Open. They did last year. They even used the live drone. But to get that perspective and be able to move around the way a helicopter can't because of the trees. Well, that's the innovation that the Masters is uniquely capable of with their broadcast. And yet, where, you know, I'm infuriated by this report from you that the UK and the Euro viewers have had pro tracer since. 2013. I mean, what are you talking about? What are we doing here? I want to see the ball, for Christ sakes. Yeah. Shoot, I'd watch a half hour of just drone shots of Augusta National,

but maybe we'll get that at some point. Anyway, House, we've rambled on. It was a great week. It was great to see you down here, and it was a lot of fun to kind of hang out at kind of the traditional Augusta-style house party and do a show with Bill and all that good stuff. So we thank our friends at Calloway, who I do have to, one last reminder, they've continued to partner with Vice Sports on a great off-day series. And I'm now finally going to get to catch up and watch this Kevin Kisner piece that's getting so much talk on social media. I guess it's really cool. It's a shame he had kind of a not a very good week, but I guess it really is a fun way to look at sort of his rise last year and just kind of his cool way of life. He's from Aiken, South Carolina, played his first masters this year.

I'm going to stop House at Aiken on the way back to the airport. Great little lunch place that makes an unbelievable BLT, by the way. But anyway, check out Callaway.com slash vice sports to see this great episode on Kevin Kisner, but there's also one on Lydia Coe and Andres Gonzalez that is an absolute killer. The really wonderful series. And, of course, thanks to everybody at Channel 33, The Ringer, Bill Simmons for all the great podcasts and you're doing. I've got some great shows to catch up on on the flight. I'm really looking forward to that.

And, of course, if you want to check out House, it's House from D.C. on Twitter. And I'm Jeff Shack on Twitter, jeffshacklford.com. I've got a lot of master's blogging still to do House. So it's going to be an interesting afternoon. It's one of my favorite days of the year to read kind of the takes on the week. So I'm looking forward to reading yours. This has been another edition of Shackhouse. Thanks everybody for listening and we'll talk to you soon.

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