Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - 110: My Nickname With Bill Lawrence

Episode Date: May 7, 2020

On this week's episode of Scrubs, JD and Carla's friendship hits a rough patch, and reoccurring character Jill Tracy makes her debut. In the real world, Zach and Donald welcome back their first repeat guest, Bill Lawrence! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your most fabulous shows. What's that Beastie Boys song that's like intergalactic, da-da-da-da-da. Planetary, planetary, intergalactic. Now, someone told me

that if you listen closely, you can hear intergalactic, kill the children, kill the children, intergalactic. And I'm telling you, once you hear that, you will forever hear it when you listen to that song. I want you listeners, after this podcast, to go intergal hear it when you listen to that song. I want you listeners after this podcast to go. Because I refuse to believe that the Beastie Boys are about sacrificing young children.

You know when someone points something out to you and then you can never not hear it that way? Yeah, it's like listening to that song. They put on the interweb on memes and stuff, they give you fake lyrics, and it really sounds like these people are saying that. A cup of soup. Bill Lawrence is in the house. Bill Lawrence arrived in the Zoom call, everybody. Intergalactic, kill the children, kill the children. Intergalactic. i don't like that

i don't i don't like it either but the beastie boys did it donald they did not do that i'm not one of the beastie boys but i'm a huge fan of the beastie boys and i refuse to believe that they kill children or that they want you to kill children in an intergalactic planetary way intergalactic kill the children kill the children. Here's Bill Lawrence, everybody. Do you guys watch the Beastie Boys documentary? Not yet. I really want to watch it, though. It's on my to-do list. I'm stuck on the...

You know who really likes the Beastie Boys a lot? Who? The Beastie Boys. Oh. Watch that documentary. Watch that documentary. It's two of those dudes on stage being like and then we did this great thing bill i imagine you as a sports fan you're watching the the the the that's the one i'm stuck on the bulls yes oh my gosh this but bill doesn't this remind you of why you loved Michael Jordan so much when you were younger?

Like this makes me realize why he was one of my idols growing up. Even I had the poster, guys. I want you to know that. I had a poster of him in my room because I wanted to be cool too. Every kid that age, our age at that time, had the Michael Jordan poster. And even though I didn't watch any of it, I was like, well, I'm going to need one of those. There is nothing funnier than you with a Michael Jordan poster. And even though I didn't watch any of it, I was like, well, I'm going to need one of those. There is nothing funnier than you with a Michael Jordan poster. It was right next to a Phantom of the Opera beach towel. My father bought me a Phantom of the Opera beach towel. And you were supposed to use it at the beach. And I was like, this is

art. I will hang this on my wall. And I took thumbtacks and hung it like a tapestry like a like a really precious rare tapestry it was a fan of the opera beach towel and right next to that was michael jordan dunking with his tongue out so there you go i was trying to fit in should i start this voice memo now guys all right well you should have oh yeah zach yeah. Zach forgot the other day. Oh, I fucked up. I hear that. The only one I haven't heard, I haven't heard Judy's yet because I fell asleep last night. It's so good.

Judy was amazing. It's good, man. She was great. Wait, we forgot to sing. We forgot to sing. Bill, say five, six, seven, eight. Oh, I've always wanted to do this. Here we go. Wait, is it going to be mm-hmm at the end or oh, yeah?

Yes, the audience weighed in, Bill. Thousands of people did an online Twitter poll and decided that the mm-hmm stays. All right, well, I'm going to do oh, yeah because that's what it is in my head. Five, six, seven, eight. Stories about a show we made About a bunch of docs and nurses And a janitor who loved to hate I said here's the stories

That we all should know So gather round to hear our Oh, yeah. Bill, you're the very first, for the obvious reasons, you're the very first guest we've invited back. He's our reoccurring. Yes, you're recurring, Bill. Bill, just how you had the power to back. He's our reoccurring. Yes, you're recurring, Bill. Bill, just how you had the power to make characters on Scrubs reoccurring, Bob Donald and I have the power to make you the creator of the show recurring, and we've chosen you.

Oh, I like that. It makes me feel like it's tenuous, like I could lose this at any second. Yeah, Bill, you could fuck up and be cut any time. You know what speaking of reoccurring uh it's not it it has a lot to do with the episode but yo how where did you where did you find rob how did that happen what's the rob story bill because we have versions of this how did you find rob who plays the todd everyone all my laugh out loud moments in this episode were rob and i'm embarrassed to say that because they're the dumbest fucking sex jokes. But every time I always write down LOL just so I can mark when I actually laughed out loud.

And they were all Rob moments. Rob was an actor that got cast in a play that I wrote. And so I got to know him. And he was a stand up comic. And his performance was always better than his material because he was just you know had crazy amounts of confidence and I just got to be buddies with him playing basketball and hanging out and my wife always says that I ruined his life because Rob went to Columbia and I think he was thinking about doing other things besides acting and um um right then i said uh hey i'm

doing a scrubs pilot you want to be the jockey um surgeon he might have a line here and there i think line had rob had one line in every episode for nine years yeah and then um you know and after that i think you know he he was a guy that had been doing it so long. It was too late to reinvent himself and to start over as anything other than an actor. But this has a very good ending because he's a hugely, he's still the Todd and he has a hugely successful real estate business in Venice, California, and, uh, is killing it out there.

And he still occasionally though, dyes his hair black, puts the fake tattoo on, and goes to European Comic Cons as the Todd. And people pay him for high fives. And he's got his cameo business, which you can get him to cameo all your friends if you go. If I were hiring Rob to do a Todd appearance, he'd have to be in the banana hammock. Like I'd be like, and you have to wear a hammock.

That probably costs extra, Donald. That probably costs extra. That probably costs ever extra and now he probably needs about a six month lead time on that. Start starving himself. But by the way, if you need a real estate broker

in Southern California, especially down at the beach, hire Rob Macchio because I'm sure he'd be willing to give you a high five while he shows you places in Venice. There is without a doubt a way to buy a house from me high five out there for some money. You could buy a house and get a high five from Rob. I'm sure he'll throw it in with the work. Yeah, I don't even think you have to pay extra for that. But he couldn't be a nicer guy. Lo with the work. Yeah, I don't even think you have to pay extra for that. But he couldn't be a nicer guy. Loved the show.

I used to love how passionate he was about it. And you guys made the joke because he would have one line and he would be running it over and over. And it's still one of my favorite jokes. Rob's over there running line. Running line, singular. He would take it so seriously. And we were laughing with him because he would laugh at it with us.

But he would be like over there in the corner being like, high five, high five, high five, high five. Working it out. But I mean, come on. Always delivered. He's so fucking funny, man. It's always the same joke. But that's another testament to Rob. It's like it's always an innuendo joke.

Always the same. It's the same joke. And it's always an essential innuendo joke but i but a testament to you and him i laugh every fucking time um you um by the way you you just nailed and i believe it might be you know old war and history but my favorite todd joke i think came from a one i think it was neil goldman that i hate giving him a name check because he wants them so badly i know i saw on twitter neil goldman neil goldman wrote on twitter he's like um there's been six episodes i've been mentioned once i know but the i think it was i think it was him i think someone in the writer's room said is every time the todd talks just going to be sexual innuendo and i think he's the one that said in your endo in your endo he has the best line he

has the best line in this episode it made me laugh so hard when he says it's one of my lols i'll bet i bet you it is when he goes you he goes, you know what else? I got to find it in my notes. It's 10.04. I'm going to remember. I think it's, I'm not sure, Todd, but I'm going to guess it's your penis. You know what else stands up for itself? Todd, I'm not sure, but I'm going to guess it's your penis.

And it was. Now, Bill, in your mind, is he a good surgeon yeah i don't know if you remember if you guys have gotten there yet no we're only on this one 10 one of my favorite moments that uh the writer's room all loved was because we had read something about how surgeons are just cutters you know medical guys call them hammers and the patient a nail and if they get too caught up in their head they sometimes aren't as good and that gave us the idea for uh turk's character asked dr wen who the best surgeon is thinking it would be that young girl bonnie or whatever her name is and dr wen says you really want to know who it is? And he points at the Todd and you say, no way. And then Dr. Nguyen says, you're all caught up in your brain

thinking about all these problems. You know what Todd's doing? And they cut to Todd in surgery. We actually paid for the Bonanza theme because he's just looking at all his instruments. He's going, dun-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-daun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun- somebody that's not that bright could be great at the video game that's todd um let's talk about bonnie uh because we mentioned it earlier that she was supposed to be my nemesis at one point right like that was supposed yeah we uh we she got another gig she was good she would have stayed around the same way doug did in the same way other uh you know jd had doug on the medical side she

would have been the person that stayed around on the surgical side, but she got another gig. That's why we sent her off on that trip and came up with that story only because we knew she was not going to be around to work for a while. That's always tough, man. That has to be difficult. When we talk about the people that have come through the show, like Aziz and all of these other people, it's like, you know, if they weren't bubbling and doing their thing at the time, they would have been staples on the show for years to come. Oh, without a doubt, man.

Even Charles Chung disappeared for a second because he got some pilot or movie and stuff. And we loved having that dude around. He's just a really kind of, you know, meat and potatoes, good actor, you know, and he was a good straight man, too, for Donald because he was just a really kind of you know meat and potatoes good actor you know and uh and he was a good straight man too for donald because he was just so good at deadpan you know and donald could be like wacky turk and he was just perfect like straight we had you can keep listing them remember neil and garrett called them our weapons chest and those were one-line characters that we thought were so very funny that not just Ted, the lawyer and Aloma, you know, Nurse Roberts, but like Dr. Zeltzer, you know. Bob Clendenin.

Yeah. Oh, my God. By the way, just a shout out to Bob Clendenin, who is yet to make an appearance. I don't know if he arrives in season one or not, but you introduced me to Bob Clendenin on the show and he played Zeltzer. And I just thought that is one of the funniest character actors i've ever met i put him in he's great i put him in a bunch of stuff since because i just love that guy he's uh he's amazing you know him and sam lloyd and uh krista and um aloma i mean they could all be regulars on any show. And so it was definitely. Well, Krista was a regular on a show.

I know. Yeah. That's a fine line, though, of like, you'd have like your guest star level, like Krista, and then you'd have like the Aloma level. And then you'd have people you used to call your assassins who would just come by once in a while, and they'd do like a drive-by one-liner and just kill it. And Bob Clendenin was one of those. He was a murderer.

I remember that episode where he goes there will there be prostitutes my favorite part of that joke you love that my favorite was dr cox going no and bob's read of oh good so will there be prostitutes? No. Oh. Good. Good. He was not worried about it at all. He was hopeful. Hey, Bill, I thought we could start off since we have you. And I was thinking today, because you're here,

and I put on a nice shirt. I was telling before you got on that because we had you, I put on a nice shirt. And I actually did a lot of preparation for this episode. I watched it last night, too. I'm ready. It's a very good episode. First of all, such a great episode, dude. Judy fucking Reyes.

Holy cow, Judy. You guys got to carry one torch for me beforehand. The only thing that really bummed me out about this episode and all of my experiences is when I catch up with you guys, unless I want to pop a DVD and I watch on Hulu, and the song that Krista picked at the end of this episode was so good and it was it's not you know the original music is not on these episodes and streaming and it bums me out I heard you we keep telling the audience that and just to reiterate

if you're just hearing this not that we don't love Hulu but uh we do love Hulu but we love you Hulu but because of streaming rights and contracts and such you're not going to get all of the original songs that Bill and Krista and others placed in these songs. And Zach and Neil. And Zach Graff and Neil Coleman. The ending song of This in the Rain was a song by a band called Sebado, and it was so good and so poignant

in the real production of it. Speaking of music, we used it so much. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Oh, it's Speaking of music, we used it so much. That's here. That's in this episode. Right. It's definitely in this episode. It's kind of new in the scrubs. It's like the second time we've used it. But when it came on, it pissed me off so much.

It was like, oh, you ruined it with the... What's funny is back when they introduced that sad cue, this was like, you know, this was like, you know, a tenth episode of season one. It was genuinely like sweet and heartfelt. Now that we did nine seasons and then started to make fun of it, now when it's like

in a pointy moment, you're like, oh, not that fucking sad cue. This is the second time. This is the second time. I remember when it finally caught my attention. I was like, how come it fucking keeps going? Because at first I was like, oh, such a beautiful moment. For so long.

For so long. And then somebody was like, dude, the sad song. We got to figure that out. I think it was you, Bill, that said that. You were like, it's got to go. In our head, all those cues were the stuff that's happening in zach's head exact characters head while he's roaming around you know so then you ended up doing um a moment where in one of the episodes where i actually referenced the cue well you say

what do you mean now is when you say something poignant that makes me think about it and then the sad music plays and then you hear me you hear me in the voiceover go and then i think and then and then you geniusly fucking then use the cue out of that scene that was so fun yeah he walks away and says you're an idiot and it goes the real cue goes and then you lip sync the last one. You go. I thought that. I think that guy's name is Jan Stevens. And I think he won a bunch of score awards for our show. I don't think he was happy when you were like, I don't like the ba-ba-ba-ba anymore. I want the ba-ba-ba-ba.

No, he understood. He got it. That guy got it. He got the right. By the way. It's a very it that guy got it he's that he got the rights but by the way just like hard it's a very hard assignment to do just like you guys were joking about yourself as with anybody that was a dude that um worked his butt off oh my god three or four years and then when you get later in it you'd be like hey, hey, we need a cue for it. And your inbox would go, bloop. How about this one? It would just be literally he was like one hand on his keyboard.

When you said, I need a cue, just going, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. There you go. Done. I'm going to head out to the park. What's funny was that there are these things called stings, which are really quick little moments. See, they're all over Scrubs. And it's funny. Wow.

Yeah, Jan would write one. Like, hey, we need some stings for the end of the scene and you get one and be like and you'd be like but we'd use them big scrub scene I thought because we have you here

and we're really not only entertaining the audience, but we want to provide a service that you could explain a little bit about what a show runner does, because I was thinking as we were having you on today that I honestly think I've done a bunch of different jobs in my career. I think a show runner is the hardest job there is. And it's,

it dovetails with this episode because this is about taking on too much workload and being stressed and being overwhelmed, particularly for the character of Jill Tracy and Sarah Chalk. And I thought you could explain to people that aren't in the business what a showrunner is, what a showrunner does, and why it's such a fucking impossibly hard job. Well, here's what's interesting, man. what's interesting man hollywood first thing that you know even when you're a kid if you like movies and tv and stuff like that is that you know that feature films are a director's industry we have all gone like oh it's a martin scorsese movie it's a steven spielberg movie no matter who wrote it you know and the directors get to do what they want the script and they cast it and they argue for final cut and what's really interesting is in tv um directors come and go week to week

and so the person that creates the show the head writer often becomes in the event of the term for it the showrunner and it's why i think and i'm not being self-aggrandizing i'm talking about other people not myself some of the best writers in entertainment stay in television because unless you're the movie director in movies you're like hey you give us the script and then we'll do whatever we want to it and in tv they go all right if we decide to do your tv show um you get to cast it um you get to write it you get final cut you pick the music you're in charge of the director so that you can come down and say no i don't like the way this scene's blocked it's gonna be funnier if you do it this way

um and you get to run the whole shebang right and so that's really appealing the danger of the job is since they said essentially if you're the showrunner you can do everything the people whose brains explode are the ones that go, all right, I'm going to do all those things, but I'm also going to do wardrobe. And I'm also going to stand on set and make sure no one changes. And to also, and I'm also going to do props and I'm going to do, you know, and those are the people that sometimes they melt. Sometimes they're viewed as kind of tyrants. You know, like Aaron Sorkin, I think would be one of the first people to tell you

that he's hard to work with and for because every last detail drives him banana pants. And the hard part of the job becomes whether or not you can let go of control and cede some things to talented people. And I was lucky enough that we had so many talented people there. Carrie Bennett, the head of wardrobe, she's done a lot of shows for me after that. If I was somebody that needed to look at every T-shirt, every outfit, I think I would have not made it.

I would have burned out quicker. But I was lucky and said, hey, you do this, and I'll only say a word if I think it's wrong, and then I never had to say anything. So to me, yes, that's what the gig is great. It forces you to pick the things that you prioritize the most personally and not get lost in the things you don't care about, and the people that drown try to do everything. But even in not micromanaging, Bill, in a typical hour,

you are leading a writer's room, then being called to set to watch a rehearsal for the scene being shot, then needing to go to editorial to look at a cut that has to go out to the network. Doing rewrites if jokes don't work. Right. I mean, I just remember watching you and thinking, God, I mean, it takes a person who can multitask without going fucking nuts because it's just a lot of pressure. The hard, believe it or not, the hardest part for me, and I had a little of it with YouTube,

but more with the writers, is you also become, if not a big brother, you know, a parent and a psychiatrist to people. And the joke was, you know, a lot of the writers stayed for five, six, seven, even eight years on Scrubs. Which is unheard of on shows. I didn't know that lot of the writers stayed for five six seven even eight years on scrubs which is unheard of on shows i didn't know that's a good gig yeah i didn't know that you take off but if you're on a hit show you stay and your salary goes up every year and uh the joke

was that by the end every single writer had been in my office emotional crying about something you know i mean and zach and Donald, you guys can't see them. They're laughing because I think they both inherently know that I'm the last person on earth that wants somebody to be in his office. We turned you into a hugger, Bill. Donald and I... I remember when you didn't hug

for shit, dude. Donald and I broke you down. I remember when you were finally like, yo, dude, come on. Let's hug. And I was like, really? Yeah, Donald and I broke him down. He was not a hugger he was a very waspy connecticut guy oh they used to always make fun of you come in with some emotional thing of work or life or whatever and i would subconsciously with all the things on my desk build a wall between the two of us almost nuts yeah what's going on with you and your boyfriend? Yeah, you had to do that.

And you had to do that with everyone. And also, I think, you know, you started on Spin City where you were young and you had, you know, a legend like Michael J. Fox to work with and to make sure he was happy. And then when Scrubs came on and we were all unknown, did you feel a little bit of, uh, an onus to keep everyone's egos in check? I mean, I would, I would think that, yeah, I really wanted to keep people's egos in check. Cause I, in between, you know, I'd seen, you know, how hard it is when certain things hit you. You know, I was on the first year of friends and I actually empathize with actors and actresses because watching how, you know, that group of kids, their kids, how their lives all change so fast, sometimes to the better. And, you know, you guys know this burden, nothing to complain about, but sometimes in complicated ways. So, yeah, it was it was really important to me to have a good culture at work to keep everybody's egos from blowing up.

And I'm not, not you know I don't to equate it to sports because we were talking about the Michael Jordan thing no I'm not Michael Jordan but to be a leader for a group of people that they at least knew there were levels of respect you had to have for each other and ways you were supposed to behave and somebody who would watch your back

you might not be a Michael Jordan but I think of you like a Mike Jeminski Donald and I are basketball guys it's such an insult man You might not be a Michael Jordan, but I think of you like a Mike Jeminski. Donald and I are basketball guys. It's such an insult, man. That is – the problem is that that's the only basketball guy he knows. No, listen. When my father – of a certain age, my father would drag me to the New Jersey Nets games. And so I only know whatever year that was, that team, Daryl Dawkins, Mike Jeminski, Otis Birdsong.

year that was that team daryl dawkins mike jeminski otis birdsong um so whenever i have to make a basketball reference i'm still like oh you mean like otis birdsong do you know uh do you know daryl dawkins uh nickname yeah he does not wait he does not um he does not chocolate thunder okay thunder and he used to break backboards yes and you know why i care because there was a pitch that we were really trying to do. I don't know why we got bogged down in it, but it lived for the better part of two years that everybody wanted Daryl Dawkins to be Nurse Roberts' ex-husband. Oh, that would have been awesome.

Oh, man. God rest his soul, but that would have been awesome if he was on the show. That would have been the best day ever. Oh, that would have been a highlight for me. Oh, my gosh it was so look it sucks because it breaks it sounds like it breaks down on male female dynamics because there's a lot of guy sports fans in there but it was one of those things that a lot of the great female writers on that show were like i don't understand why do you want this former seven foot tall nba seven that would have been perfect that they called chocolate thunder to be your ex-boyfriend.

He's not even an actor? Right. He's not an actor. Is he famous for being funny? No, he breaks backboards. Am I right with the trivia that he was famous for breaking backboards? And why did he do that? And how could he do that?

He didn't do it in person. He used to dunk so hard that occasionally when he would dunk, even just with a rubber basketball, a leather basketball, it would shatter the backboard. Yeah, he would do it in games too. Yeah, he would do it in games. So what did they do? They'd clean up? Yeah, the whole fans would go nuts.

They'd have to sweep it up and put a new one up. It was really crazy because when Shaq broke the backboard, he just made the backboard fall to the ground. You know what I mean? Like the whole thing came down. Chocolate Thunder, when he hit the rim, that thing exploded like the Death Star, dude. It was like, wow. It was such a, he has like two or three of them.

I think two. But they were so thunderous and monstrous, man. And when he dunked it, it was so hard. And this was, you know, basketball is a finesse game. And, you know, it's a game of, you know, where athletes, they run real hard and then they go at this little cup and it's so like, you know, graceful and everything like that. There was no grace in the way he slammed a basketball. You know what I mean? It was like, wow. You know what I said? You know what I mean? I heard it that time.

Yes, drink. Wow, drink up. Wow! I said, you know what I mean. I heard it that time. Yes, drink. Wow, drink up. Wow, drink up. Bill, the fans have started a drinking game because Donald says,

you know what I mean, so much that they're drinking every time he says, you know what I mean. I would force people. By the way, I want to say two things. One to that, one to the other. You guys can see the connection to how much fun it would have been for J.D. to want to call Turk as one of his many nicknames chocolate thunder and then nurse roberts doesn't like it and then you guys don't know why she doesn't like it and it's because

the man that left her is chocolate thunder daryl dockets oh my god it must have been so late in the night in the writer's room when you guys were wrestling with that. Just hours. How do we reach? By the way, I'm sure he was a lovely man, but there's no doubt in my mind while he was alive if he had showed up. First of all, if he had gotten that call, he would have been like, they want me to do what? Because I don't think I ever saw him on Love Boat or on any shows. Right. No.

He wasn't an actor. They want me to come out of retirement to do something I've never done before and play a nurse's husband all right you want to have him break a backboard or something i think people should also drink at any time zach and i've only heard it three or four times that you say one of the things that you would always say to sum up the show and the voiceovers at the end because it's become part of our lexicon and one of them i heard you going at the end of the day it was so funny to me because you're talking about scrubs in an episode that if you listen to it goes at the end of the day all you can really hope and then you go at the end of the day you know what

we so any any any scrubs at the end of the day type things okay and i also had another drinking game idea for people you're gonna get shit faced listening to this podcast but i got really excited in this episode when i when i had a snoop dogg intern sighting and i thought it might be fun for fans to also do a shot every time you see snoop dogg intern resident attending well it should turn into it should start with snoop dogg but then then once, you know, Mick Head shows up and Beard for Say. That's too much. Colonel Doctor. Colonel Doctor.

Oh, man. By the way, you guys realize. God rest his soul, too, man. Colonel Doctor. Oh, my God. Colonel Doctor passed away, didn't he? Yeah. Colonel Doctor, just so everybody knows, is called Colonel Doctor

because he looks like the colonel from Kentucky Fried Chicken. Yeah. And my favorite thing about that, that's why you think he's, I mean, it's funny that that's his nickname, Colonel Doctor, and his name turns out to be Coleman Slosky, which is Coleslaw. Oh, my God. Here's what I like. My favorite thing that you guys all liked, that Zach is the first one kind of that he noticed, was he had all these these great background performers and we wanted the consistency of recognizing nurses and doctors. And so he tried to have the same people come back.

And then because they were around, whether it was Coleman Slosky, Dr. Mickhead, who ultimately, I think, murdered his spouse. And on the show. Yes. And Colonel Doctor and Snoop Dogg, Beard beard for soon and the and the world's oldest intern uh gloria i think it's uh really but the point is that even amongst the background people they became tears like a call sheet and i started noticing that i'd come into like the background holding area and there'd be all the background and then there'd be the king shit background of those four

doing the equivalent of, like, drinking martinis as the ones that have names to sit around going, like, we're fucking, we're ruling this world, and I love it, man. Yeah. What was really cool was when you would trust them with lines and stuff like that, and they would deliver. Like, I remember Mickhead had so many lines, and you gave him a

storyline and everything and it was because you were like yo he delivers every time i give him something every time i give him something man yeah well a lot of those folks were actors they just hadn't had a had a break yet and you know like like any group of actors some could act and some couldn't but i think mick head was one that was actually really good his backstory was frank's backstory was fascinating. He was a paid screenwriter that none of his, even though he'd sold a bunch of movies, none of them ever got made,

and you eventually reach the end of that career, and he was still plugging away writing and came by to make dough. And then when he was doing it, he at least had a knowledge of film enough that he was good and subtle. And he's like, what are you making me into an actor for? This is not my plan.

It was really fun. Well, and Manly Henry delivered one of the greatest lines in Scrubs history, where am I hoes at? I haven't seen them. I haven't seen them. You know, I play golf with Mick Head quite a bit. That's one of my golf buddies. And he still writes books. He's a novelist. You know, he writes novels with his wife. Say hi for me, man. He was a nice man. Yeah, I will. I definitely will. Let's take a break.

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Oh, yeah. No, Bill, it's mm-hmm. No, no, no. And we don't do the full song at the commercial breaks, Bill. Does the song start whenever I say 5, 6, 7, 8? I want to see that. Unfortunately, it does. 5, 6, 7, 8.

Dan's got his finger on the trigger. Whenever you say 5, 6, 7, 8, he hits it. Please don't say 5, 6, 7, 8 again. Stop saying 5, 6, 7, 8. That's my favorite. Dan should just be contractually obligated to do it whenever he hears that. Yeah. 5, 6, 7, 8.

Dan, whenever you say 5, 6, 7, 8. Oh, gee. He started eight he started it he started it dan i have the power to say cut it all right donald you were going to start us off we're 40 minutes in we should probably talk about the tv show okay so first of all uh whiny dancer was pretty good i'm gonna put that out there i thought that was a very funny nickname. I laughed very hard at that. And I was mad that it didn't stick. But Scooter, short for Scooter Pie, is even funnier because he hates Scooter Pie. There's two things.

It was hard for me to watch that story because, A, Neil Flynn is funnier than the material we gave him. You know what I mean? Because we could have done much funnier stuff with your nickname uh and then b is i don't know why he's eating a popsicle in that next one he seemed to want to be eating it which made me really laugh and then the third one is i remember that because we're you know strapped for figured out a moment uh at the end when someone finally calls you scooter which is a moment i do like uh and I go, let's reveal Neil. And he's like, how should I celebrate?

I'm like, I don't know, do some kind of dance or Irish jig or something. And that made me laugh out loud because he committed to it. And he did. And I'm like, good God, yeah. But did Neil just pull out an Irish jig because it looked pretty good? Yeah, I don't think that he – we had planned that. And then we put the music to it afterwards. It was really funny.

He went straight river dance. He went straight river dance. That made me laugh. That was funny. That's also not us at that beach, by the way. Yeah, I was going to ask you. Those doubles, because that's not my hair. And I don't know if that is your head or not.

That is not my head also. Yeah, no, I think we went and got that without you guys. Okay. But Donald's double is good. No, it's not. It doesn't look like my head. My head is very unique. I'm going to it.

Don't do that. Donald, that looks like your head. I'm at 444 seconds if you're following along. I wish it was my head. It is so not you guys, A. And B, you guys, this is the showrunner issue. I don't know if you guys have this. The unfun thing about watching these shows for me is that I just watch them for all the mistakes I made, especially early.

And like even that stupid fantasy, I didn't have a frontal shot coming back on you two, like the flash out of it. So it was a weird transition. I'm like, oh, man, they screwed that up, too. So we're still at the stage. I think this is such a funny episode. I laughed so many times in this episode. Well, do you guys watch it and hate stuff? What you see is your mess-ups.

What I see is, you know, I feel like that's how it always is with people. You know what I mean? Like, we make things, and then we find the flaws in them but if you sit back and let other people tell you how amazing it is you'll be like really i didn't see that you know what i mean i said it again that's another one oh drink i bill i laughed that you chose smooth jazz for when we're uh sitting on the bench unless that's another track that's been uh changed but when i don't i don't know but i didn't remember it look i had my first weird thing i was giving you guys shit here at home for not remembering any of this stuff and uh i wrote this script by myself like at home to catch us up and uh uh i didn't remember writing it i didn't remember what it was about till i

watched it was really weird so is that – just talk to that for a second. So when you're the showrunner, you're overseeing your writing staff having episodes, and then, of course, you end up rewriting them a lot yourself. But when you said you wrote this to catch up, just explain that to people. The – you know, you – comedy staffs especially, someone will go out and write a draft. The whole staff will help kind of – you know, you'll outline it and do all write a draft the whole staff will help kind of you know you'll outline it and do all stuff whole staff will help kind of punch it up and uh um and then the showrunner of any show that you've ever loved will usually do a pass

of it before it shoots you know just not just out of arrogance but out of wanting the show to sound like it's from that one distinct voice that's why people over the years you know they noticed when the showrunner on one of their favorite shows left for a year how it suddenly sounds different you know yeah um and uh when you get caught and behind in writing you know when you look at all the different stages outline which has to be approved by the showrunner uh draft which gets notes from the showrunner um rewrite with the whole staff, which the showrunner does. You know what I mean? It's, you often can catch back up if you're behind writing.

If as the showrunner, you're like, Hey, why we're all doing this. I'll outline one on my own and write it. And then just drag all you, this whole gang into punch it up really quick and then we'll shoot it. You know?

And so that was one of those. And sometimes those to tell you the truth in a weird way sometimes those aren't those aren't as good as other episodes because showrunners don't have to listen to other people's input and sometimes and sometimes instead of the whole group punching it up you'll just hand it in and go that's done now we're as long as we don't spend four days trying to make it better we're back on on timing again you know to make 24 episodes this year. Well, you nailed it with this one, man. This one has everything that you're looking for from, you know, from the drama to the comedy.

This was, I laughed so many times at this episode. There was a couple of things I really liked in it, mate. At 1.14, Neil is just boring a giant hole in the reception desk for no apparent reason. I was trying to think about what Neil's doing with that. No, you know what that's for? This is what you'll see early on, and you guys should look for it. There are certain things that exist solely because directors, once they knew that they were allowed to have fun visually on this on this particular show would work backwards from

the shot they wanted so that without a doubt was somebody working backwards from in the script jd going hey uh and the janitor turning and being imposing do you know what i mean saying oh you know what'd be cool is this giant 10 foot drill in jd's face i know i know but i'm just laughing i'm just laughing because i like to just rationalize things. I'm like, what assignment did he have with that drill and that reception desk? I guess he was adding a new hole for a new phone line or something. Well, dude, we used to get – it's so funny. If you think about this in terms for writers, at first it would annoy us when you would see what directors came up with for like, why is the janitor there? How is he going to be imposing?

And then when we would get trapped, we'd start making jokes out of it and one of my favorite ones we needed the janitor in there and we didn't know why and so we had him say i don't really have anything to do i'm mopping the rug and then i don't know i don't know if you guys remember then the rest of that scene when you guys walked across that rug you would hear squishy sounds like why is that guy mopping the rug i love that neil would neil would take it seriously and he'd be like i i why would my character be mopping in a carpeted room um yeah you know it's just everybody wants their motivation you know of course but donald pointed out i think donald it was you who mentioned that you know i never realized either Of course. But Donald pointed out, I think, Donald, it was you who mentioned that, you know, I never realized either,

but the janitor feels like he's a pretty good janitor, right? I mean, he's, I never realized until re-watching it, but like,

even though he spends his entire existence fucking with me, he, you know, he does his best. He's pretty much a one-man band

except for that, that crazy. Troy. Troy. Oh my God, nice call. Except for Troy and then Martin.

Troy was the best because Troy frustrated Troy. Troy. Oh, my God. Nice call. Except for Troy. And then Martin. Yeah. Troy was the best because Troy frustrated the janitor to no end. My favorite thing was when Troy was like, I'm going to go beach up. He's like, that's not how we do it, man. That's not how we do it. It was literally like, we're better than that. Ah, man. I enjoyed working with Flynn.

I forgot about the Frozen effect thing, Bill, and it's really cool. It's at 243. It's really done well, and I don't even remember how he pulled that off, but the foreground and background are frozen. Yeah. And whoever that was executed was really good. And then we go to the guy who's – then on the other side of things, we go to the guy who's just frozen and doing a horrible job trying to be frozen

without anything. I know. You know what's really interesting is that one of the things you'll see guy who's just frozen and doing a horrible job trying to be frozen without i know you know you know what's really interesting is that one of the things you'll see in the first year much like the sound effects that you guys notice is they're drifting away i think they're almost gone i'm hoping they're close we keep laughing that uh that you say they're almost going away and then we hear jingle bells yeah jingle balls with ball but that the other thing that you have to look for is um we used to because writers love to procrastinate we used to have hours of talks

about rules you know and the rules of the world um and uh uh this broke one of them and we made it right after this was you can't still be in a fantasy after you're out of a fantasy you know because then interesting wow yeah after you flash out it has to be real the one the conversation that tortured people forever and we didn't show the answer to it to like the sixth or seventh year is when jd has these long fantasies what's he doing is he just standing there yeah what's happening and uh and eventually eventually we had you and talking to the todd in like the sixth or seventh year uh when you go uh uh oh that makes me think about trolls and you go like this and then robin's touch the better part of like 30 seconds and then you're like and that's why you shouldn't buy blah blah blahs right yeah yeah i mean well

you started it's funny because last time you were on we talked about how when i when i came out of a fantasy i had agreed to buy nurse roberts dead husbands a bowling shoes yes and and i didn't know because i was in a fantasy land but i forgot you didn't really keep that that little thing going that that wouldn't have been a funny runner if like jd because he's in a fantasy ends up agreeing to all this random shit we didn't have any of the rules yet man and we were trying people used to argue all like the biggest argument that you guys can look for in the writer's room and it ate up hours the first year was was jd's voiceover omniscient did he know what was going on in the other stories and could narrate them or did we have to write it so

general as if he's talking about himself but doesn't know about those stories and it used to drive people insane right were we a hit at this time at this point where we like did we get the back nine at this point had yeah yeah the first the show uh the show did so well coming out of the gate the first year that um it was considered a hit and then the second year they made a mistake in my view and uh the first year of the show it was sometimes increasing on its lead-in and just crushing and we were following frazier if i'm right at this point they should have kept it there forever and then the set they said it's such a big show for us next year we're going to put it after Friends.

And the combination of no show could retain 85% of Friends audience. It was a cultural, you know, lightning bolt. And so, you know, we were like the eighth ranked show in the country. But they're like, you're only retaining like 67 percent of their audience so we're and just so you know anytime they want to do a 40 minute episode we're going to make it supersized and you guys will be moved or not on or whatever and uh they never they should have they didn't own the show they should have put us after friends and left us there in perpetuity the show would have been bigger and bigger. But instead, they put 9,000 different shows, one after another after Friends, each time pulling them when they don't get the same ratings as this giant monster juggernaut and never established a new successful show after that show in its entire existence. Yeah.

You know, not only that, it was also the end of Friends, too. And then Joey came right after that. And then we followed Joey for a little bit. We followed Joey. It didn't work either. Yeah, we followed Joey for like a little bit. And then that was it. For those of you who don't know, what the networks want, and Bill, please correct me if I'm wrong, is they want you to hold, that is to say, keep 85% of the lead in show's audience, which is pretty impossible if it's Friends and it's

the biggest show ever. And if you go below that, then they kind of start thinking about moving you or losing you, right? Right. Yeah. Well, the only difference is they would have, because the show is so well reviewed and was doing really well, if they owned our show, this is all boring business, they would have kept us on there forever going, hey, we'll keep this on forever and make tons of money

for ourselves. But since they didn't own it, the second it didn't immediately become bigger than Friends, they said, let's try some shows that we own to see if they become bigger than Friends. I feel like Friends was the end of TG – not TGIF, but that Thursday night lineup. Must see Thursday. Must see Thursday. I feel like that was the end. Yes and no because you'll like this. You guys should get it. And I interrupt. Yes and no because you'll like this. You guys should get it.

I'm sorry, Donald, but Jeff Engold who is an NBC exec has a must-see Thursday poster in his office that he's proud of when it was us, 30 Rock, The Office, and Parks and Rec were all Thursday. That was a cool lineup.

At one point, that was a Thursday night? I can't remember if I have the... No, it might have been Earl. But it was us, 30 Rock, Office, and either Earl or... He's like, that was a total must... They were still doing

Must See TV. That's a pretty good Must See Thursday, man. That's a pretty Must See Thursday. Should we talk about Nicole Sullivan, guys? Sure. Bill, tell us about, obviously, you know, a lot of people knew Nicole Sullivan from MADtv. And how did you choose her? Were you friends with her? She was obviously hilarious.

Yeah, she's another, you know, we brought people through our world that were friends of mine that I knew were super talented. world that were friends of mine that i knew were super talented um we wanted to have her um in this world because not only is she really funny but we we knew she could actually act yeah and we had you know kind of the idea beforehand whether it was with brendan fraser or her or mrs wilk that there were sometimes patients that we would say, let's bring them in and know that they're going to come back. And so we didn't know right then that Nicole was going to die, but we knew she was going to come back. And so we were setting her up for the crap journey that her person went down in a cool way.

I think the most fun way to do that donald said something about it is you sneak it up on people you introduce somebody as something that's just going to be funny and a goof to see them and you get people emotionally invested yeah so when their stuff when the wheels come off people are just you know emotionally affected by yeah that was something that you know uh and it just shows how great of a writer you are you know i'm sure you're you you you know this already but he does like a like a like a michael jeminski of writing almost you you would give everybody clues the clues are there and if you're really paying attention you know if you're really really paying attention when it happens,

it's not that big of a surprise. Like it's for, we foreshadowed so much. Yeah. You talked about that and I really appreciated it because the way our staff worked that I thought was cool before in the pre-production every year, before we wrote episodes, we talked about what big things, you know, arcs and stuff we wanted to do. Like we'd say, hey, we want Turk and Carl to get engaged, but we want it to be a little bit of a rocky road. And then we would work backwards. Same way we'd go, hey, we want Johnny C to end up with his ex who he's never moved past.

Now he's a more mature son. We work backwards. We're going to kill Brennan Fraser. Let's work backwards. And then it would almost seem when we're doing these initial episodes since we had already plotted out these arcs it was very easy to go all right so if nicole sullivan's gonna eventually die um and uh let's establish her here as a fun neurotic person that you think is just being kind of a hypochondriac and then do you know i mean so it So it is set up because we were working backwards

from the big episodes that we wanted to accomplish. It was part of the fun. Yeah. That's good writing to me. That's because whenever you can look back and say to yourself, oh, it was there and I didn't see it. Right. I feel like, you know, Kaiser Soze, you know?

It is the, it's the trick of it all that's the trick is that is you know you're not gonna the audience isn't gonna have the heartbreak for an asshole you know you got to have the audience fall in love with them and go oh i love this girl she's wacky she's silly she's i want to be her friend she's you want to you want to fall in love with the person before bill kills them it was the it was the the one trick we went back to about it was too mean was we knew in 22 minutes it was too hard to get people to love someone and then kill them. So we're like, all right, let's bring them and do another story.

And our goal is not only to do a successful story, but make people like this person so that when they die, we're screwed. The only time we thought we pulled it off that we killed someone people cared about in one episode it ties to this one because this is me being a dummy so nicole sullivan you know one of the bridesmaids at my wedding old friend she i'm not good at naming characters so she played jill tracy and uh and then i didn't realize till later jill tracy who's tim hobert at the executive producer one of um um uh a great actress in her own right not only had i not put her on the show but i named another character after her and somebody else played it so then

jill tracy came and played uh the woman who died in a broadway musical waiting for my real life to begin that's a great episode colin uh hey on a clear day when i can see see you very long way the uh so anyways so did she call you? Did real Jill Tracy call you? And was she like, hey? No, Tim's just such a good buddy. I realized it as it happened. And I'm like, oh, I'm a piece of shit. We've got to make sure we get you in there.

And she was luckily also a Broadway-level singer and had done musical theater her whole life. She was great. Hey, I'm looking at these blackberries. And I remember that this was like the time that blackberries came out. And Bill, as I recall, you gave like the time that blackberries came out. And Bill, as I recall, you gave us all our first blackberries as a present.

Yeah, I gave them to everybody as a Christmas gift. And I have a memory. I remember we were like, what is this? So you can type on it? Yeah, I wrote that down. Nicole Sullivan says email as we're talking. That kind of dates the show. Yeah, I know. I i know it was so weird

right when they all came out i mean that's we were like state of the art she's got a state of the art gadget getting back to the show that was one of my favorite things because we really wanted everybody had their thing to overcome on this show and we really wanted Sarah Chalk's character to overcome how hard she always is on herself and you know how much she buries herself psychologically and on an unhealthy way with all her work and my favorite scene in this besides the Judy and Zach went out in the rain was Sarah and Johnny C with Johnny C doing some really subtle stuff

when he says, go ahead and make your case. Why Jill Tracy can stay in the hospital. And Sarah is saying, you know, sometimes you get overwhelmed and it's this and this. And John McGinley is without doing anything big, proving to her that she does the very same thing to herself.

I love that moment. Yeah. The reason I loved it as a writer was it wasn't something that Sarah was necessarily doing in this episode, but she had done it in every episode up to this one. Yeah. I wrote that down. That's such a great moment. That scene is so awesome.

And Sarah pulls it off really well where she's talking about Nicole's character. And then Johnny says, but have you looked at yourself? I know I'm a skank. And then she says, but have you looked at yourself? I know I'm a skank. And then she keeps going back and forth. Yeah, and she's like, and then she'll do anything. She's such a people pleaser for anyone. I think he says, will you go clean up my dog's shit and take it to the vet? I could do it at lunch.

She's really good in that scene. Oh, but it cuts right from that into you pulling up in the cab with and that's where i got pissed off because right there but you're like no not now jam but it's but it marries so well you know what i mean yeah it's drunk up by the way and then the pairings we did in this one the pairings we did in this show made me think of another question I answered to you guys in a previous episode. Because I believe Kelso calls you Turk in this episode because you guys are having a battle. Well, he did it in another episode too. But that's why it's important to know that that's why we do believe he thinks your name is Turk-Colden. But that's why we got to the logic with the writers that he thinks your name

is Turk Turkelton. When we said, when we said, you know, he thinks your name is Dr. Turkelton, you know, in the writers,

you fight about everything. Writers room. A lot of the writers were like, he can't, he's called him Turk before. And then somebody is like, well, then he thinks his name is Turk Turkelton.

That's one of the best. And to this day, to this day, to this day, there are a lot of there are a lot of Scrubs fans that know, you know, Christopher Turk is the name. But there are some that honestly believe Turk Turkelton is the character's name. You know what else, by the way, came up randomly is somebody asked me after why you were named Gandhi, like why Dr. Cox name checked you as Gandhi. Because I was a bald head guy. It wasn't just that. It was because I was concurrently looking at cartoons and okaying the character design with Chris and Phil for Clone High. And the Gandhi character, they had him with a hip goatee because he was a young teen version

and whatever. And I'm like, oh shit, we should call for Gandhi. I do. We're definitely going to talk about that right now. Let's just go to commercial real quick. Okay. Sure.

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They were young animators for Disney that went to Dartmouth and were also very funny and were just starting their career as kind of comedy writer, animator. They'd done nothing. It was like the first project that I supervised someone else the way I was supervised. And now they're two guys that are going to give me and you and steph and joelle a job eventually i pray that they give me just explain uh donald why don't you explain uh the context because not everyone's going to know what the hell okay so chris and phil have gone on to uh create movies like 21 jump street 22 jump street the lego movie the best probably the best spider

man movie ever into the spider verse where they did the animation and everything yeah cloudy with a chance of meatballs yes they were the animation and everything, yeah. Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs? Yes, they were the animators, directors, writers of that as well, yes. They've gone on to do some amazing things, but in the beginning, before this all happened, there was a little show called Clone High, which Bill was an executive producer on, and while we were making scrubs in the basement, they were doing all their recordings. In the mental ward in the mental ward i believe and because of the writers room yeah we hid to save money we hid

our writing staff of that show in the hospital and then you guys just casually started to notice other writers around the commissary every day eating yeah and just hanging out but they put us in the show too so i got an opportunity to play two really cool characters in that show were you i was in it too there's george washington carver which is george washington carver and i was also toots who was jonah bark's uh father-in-law or something like that yeah he's a blind he's a blind former jazz man yeah yeah it's so weird because all a bunch of clone high nerds i don't know i love big mouth but toots is very much like the jazzy ghost that they have in that cartoon Big Mouth. Are you guys bringing it back in some way, Bill?

I'm not at liberty to discuss that yet, Zach. Oh, I stumbled across something top secret, audience. That would be awesome. That's a good tease. I was in it too, but I don't know who I played. You weren't in it a lot. I don't minimize my part i i did occur i did it was it was such a cool college filmmaking type atmosphere which is what scrubs was anyways you guys would be shooting scenes and we would

literally go hey do you mind uh while you're eating to walk downstairs and record a voice being a cartoon character and you guys were all so nice about it yeah well i loved working on that show man that was a lot of fun i was paul revere uh joelle is telling so i paul revere is an important important character everybody yeah but that was like one episode yeah but then you had a bigger you had a bigger you had a bigger one when you were selling a weird energy paste with sarah chalk and marilyn manson came in and sang the food pyramid song it's very weird yeah dude i just remember being i remember being there and this is the first time I met Mandy Moore. She did a guest spot on the show.

I met Tom Green. I've never met her. What's she like? Should we go to Steph? Right. I met Tom Green. That was cool. That was the first time I've ever met Tom Green,

and he was on fire at the time. Steph was on it. Steph was on. Steph was on it. I think. Steph wasn't even born, I'll bet. We have a caller, guys. Our caller has finally, we're going to let her talk.

Okay, Steph. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Steph! Five, six, seven, eight! Oh, Bill, stop counting in. Bill's counting into everything. Dan, turn off the fucking theme song. Steph, at any point that you want to hear that awesome song, just say five, six, seven, eight. They have to do it.

No, Steph. I might have to. It's official. Anytime you say 5, 6, 7, 8. Yeah, it's not even a decision. I mean, you guys made me wait three whole minutes, so I think it's only just, right? Go for it. Go for it.

Go for it, Steph. 5, 6, 7, 8. Okay, but not the whole song. Not the whole song. Damn, stop it. Stop it. We're not playing the whole whole song Do you want to do the tag at the end Steph? Do the tag at the end I don't know how to do that Give us the tag

There you go You got a good voice This has all gone to shit Steph what's your question? So I'm finishing up my second year of medical school Which is in part due to scrubs so basically yeah super funny story um I alluded to this in my personal statement but left out certain details because I didn't want them to not take me seriously but um basically my mom

was a surgeon so when I was growing up I saw like you know pictures of her job and stuff like that and I thought it looked awful I was like I have no idea how you do what you do she's a breast cancer surgeon so it's like that's disgusting like how do you look at boobs all day so weird I never am going into medicine how do you look at boobs all day that's just I don't know it's easier if you're not a medical professional. Continue. I got it. Yeah. So I started watching Scrubs maybe like I don't even remember when, maybe in middle school. And I related to Elliot's character on such a spiritual level that I was like, this looks really fun. Maybe I will go into medicine. And since then kind of became more legitimate.

But definitely the first thing that piqued my interest was Scrubs. So thank you guys. Do you use the word frick a lot um i kind of graduated to the the u version but i do sometimes you mean fruck i gotta say i only have to interject stuff because that means so much to me because we wanted to make sure that medical personnel seemed like heroes and the job seemed like fun. And I just was talking to the real JD last night and his wife, Dolly, who Elliot's based on. And their favorite thing is to consider, you know, that they might have had a tiny part in some people kind of embracing medicine as a career because it means so much to them that's a and b for those of you that are just listening since you can't see

steph uh could easily have played elliot just so you guys know she's elliot she's elliot s uh both in her mannerisms and her appearance and uh um i almost by the way this is is the thing that I have to watch out for late in life because I'm much older than all these people. But I almost said I'm here talking to a young Sarah Chalk, but Sarah Chalk's still very young. So I did not say that. Sarah's not an old person at all. Sarah never ages.

My med school friends all tell me, all the ones that watch Scrubs religiously, are like, you have the same luck that she does when you guys did the episode of Sarah Chalk, how like the crazy stories that come out of nowhere, you're like there's no way that happened to you on a Monday, that's me, like 100%

I was watching that, I think that story that Zach and Donald told led us to write a story in which she bought a new car and every 30 seconds someone took another door off it brick on a another door off it that would happen to Sarah the best part of that episode is when the grumpy radiologist is like thanks for stopping by and don't forget your car door you're a real fan this This will make you laugh, and I don't even know if Donald and Zach remember it.

Different things from different episodes would stick on set, and people would say them over and over, and I never could predict what it was. And I don't know, Zach, Donald, if you guys remember what it was from this one, but it was a made-up flavor of smoothie that you guys kept saying for weeks. Orange goo-goo.

Wait, which episode is that? Oh, that's the Saturday episode. That was the door one. What flavor do you want? I'll have a raspberry, I'll have a strawberry, I'll have an orange goo goo. Orange goo goo. I believe that came from,

Bill, I believe that came from in the writer's room, you would have the assistants do like a smoothie run and you'd all be like calling out weird Jamba Juice flavors. Yes, we we make up fake flavors and just to torture the poor young people working on hourly wages yeah and so with immunity all right steph we're taking this all right come on come on it's your time it's your time steph it's your time it's your time, Steph Goonies.

Go ahead, Steph. So it's actually kind of perfect that Bill is here on this episode because it kind of relates to the behind the scenes part of it. But since I watch the show so much, a lot of the times when I'm studying, I'll recognize words that will like remind me of certain scenes of the show. And I know you guys talked about like trying to make it really medically accurate it is um re-verifying but it's also really funny which I think is hard to do with medical vernacular if you're not really used to it so I was wondering if there was a specific member of the writing team that was you know kind of crucial in making the medical scenes specifically the funny ones because i think it would be kind of hard to write if you didn't have that medical knowledge i'm going to give props to first of all we have actors and actresses that can sell comedy

and they were great but the real jd is um as i can tell by your persona he is a guy that i would not have been surprised if he went into comedy writing he was funny and um so for me it was it'd be interesting to even go back to all his memories but i remember him talking about pimping you know uh when you get grilled with questions and rounds and he would be like i was never ready i always felt you know like i was a deer in the headlights and then just from him saying that you know i was like oh jd is going to be a deer in the headlights when i ask him a question you know i mean and uh i i would bet stuff that that you when you go through all this stuff will meet it with humor and banter because if you don't i think you go crazy so i'd give him the props for it and the performers the props for it because they'd find ways

to to make it funny you know bill did jd ever like overstepped the line he's like hey bill i got an episode for you here's what's gonna happen yeah he and uh they did two things one he and dolly once said hey we got bored because we were both sick and stayed in all weekend we wrote an episode and i I was like, Oh my God. I was like, yeah. And I said, of course I'll look at it.

And then they're like, nah, we're not going to show it to you. We forget it. We don't want to do that. Right. Which was super cool. Probably brilliant.

And the movie version would be like the most brilliant script ever written. I know. And then the, the other thing was to answer Steph's question, we would sometimes work backwards, you know, which was really hard because for him, because I'd go,

I want to do this funny moment. We need you to say something that would cause this guy to not have a sense of smell and not blah, blah, blah. And it can't be serious enough that I have to worry about whether or not he'd die

and he should still be conscious and be able to talk because he has to talk in the scene. And JD would be like, dude, this is worse than med school homework this is impossible one of my favorite ones speaking of speaking of funny medical jargon uh it's uh pronounced analgesic i can't believe you said that literally i had to give a talk to my like med school it was one of our small groups and they were talking about how it's so important to be able to articulate in kind of layman's terms what you're talking about. And I was like, yeah, there's a scene of Scrubs where Turk has to explain that analgesic is like not the same as analgesic.

And everyone was like, I mean, yeah, I guess that works. it in your butt and everyone was like i mean yeah i guess that works that was uh um on my top 10 jokes that i did not write that i wish i could take credit for that's such a funny joke man don't say neil goldman whatever you do no i'm not gonna it really bums me out i think it might have even been tarsus or gabby i don't even know or hobert it sounds like a tim hobert joke too all right steph you got another question yeah um it kind of piggybacks off of the first one a little bit. So you guys talked about early on in your episodes that you kind of work to develop this character and figure out what kind of mannerisms you wanted

and all that kind of stuff. It really shows throughout the progression of the season. They kind of grow into those character traits while also still growing as people. But I find that they're really kind of congruent with how you would expect that person to act as a clinician. And I was wondering if the kind of character that you developed influenced the way that the writers wrote scenes

of how you practice medicine, like later on. I'll set Donald and Zach up to talk about this but i'll tell you my philosophy of running a tv show is because they were talking about show running earlier so your question's awesome because and it means a lot to me that it felt that way to you because my when i teach sometimes like the i teach the writers guild for kids running shows for the first time and stuff i said the most successful shows in my mind when you write the pilot and come up with it and actors and actresses don't exist the career the characters belong to you you invented them and then you cast these people and uh uh when you do the pilot the first episode for it to be great it's got to be a partnership you know it's half

mine and half yours but then for a show to work ownership you have to stop being a control freak and ownership has to go to the actors and actresses playing the parts um and so i would ask donald and zach you know at this point in the show where they said you know because what would happen is it's really cool eventually on good shows people start coming up to you and going i don't think my character would say it this way or are you sure this is how my character would react in this moment? Or should my character be more like this? And you, and on shows that are working,

you have to listen. And I, did you guys eventually kind of feel like those characters were yours? You know, I definitely felt, I definitely felt like Turk became, if not, I became Turk or Turk became me,

I definitely at some point, everything, it just seemed like I was living life on camera at some point. And what really helped me, though, was you realizing medical jargon wasn't my strength. You know what I mean? And once you realized that. I am just finding that out. Right.

And once you realized that and made Turk just a scalpel jockey, it freed me. You know what I mean? And I didn't have to worry about having to say certain things. You know what I mean? Drink up. I didn't have to worry about saying certain things. Whereas Zach and Sarah would say, and Johnny would say things, and I'd be like, I'm so happy I don't have to do that. I remember being in the makeup chair in the morning

and looking through the sides and being like, oh, no. Donald's got a medical jargon monologue. Lunch is going to be late today. Yeah, those would be the worst days. But once Bill was like, I'm not going to give you medical jargon anymore. Turk knows it. He just doesn't like to use it. Right.

Life became so much easier. It's a good question, though, because you guys eventually even would start riffing your own lines, and I gladly would use them because they knew their characters and how they would react and what they would say, and it didn't bother me at all. It made me happy. And the same way getting to talk. It made me happy. And you're, you know, even getting to talk to the same way you're getting to talk to you makes me happy. I, one of the things I, mementos I have on my wall in my office from scrubs is from a med student, Steph, who pulled an answer rounds out of their ass because they remembered a chunk of dialogue on our show. And they said the attending

was so blown away because it was a question they shouldn't have known the answer to. Do you know what I mean? And I still, I wish I could mean and i still my mom says the same things about her med students that like all of the the fact like trivia that people don't really you're not supposed to remember you know years into practice because it just is you never see it she was like yeah all the med students know it because of scrubs that's cool that's what kind of what kind of doctor do you want to be stuff i'm leaning towards surgery but we'll see open anything i think it's really really neat you know that you're doing that and uh it's a gig that's up service it's like being a teacher it's awesome and the most important jobs to be of service i think like teacher uh soldier a physician and of course, comedy writer, I would think, right? Absolutely.

Not at all. All right, Steph, thank you so much. You really – Thank you, Ryan. That was some amazing questions and also really inspired us. I mean you made us all feel like we may have inspired – you know we inspired at least one person to go into medicine. A lot, a lot. Let me – yeah, you guys have a huge medical fan base.

Well, good luck with everything. Promise me that you'll dress up as Elliot for at least one Halloween. Oh, yeah, you guys have a huge medical fan base. Well, good luck with everything. Promise me that you'll dress up as Elliot for at least one Halloween. Oh, yeah, every Halloween. And every day of your life. Whoever, if you have friends that go as Turk for Halloween, tell them please no blackface. I was about to say, they better not be white. Make sure they're really black because Donald and I cringe.

No, they don't even have to be black. If you're going to be Turk, just don't paint your face. Right, okay. But Donald and I cringe every Halloween when people tag us on Instagram like excitedly like, Turk and JD for Halloween. And still in 2020, there's still people painting their faces brown and black and it's horrible. Although we did it a lot on Scrubs.

and it's horrible. Although we did it a lot on Scrubs. By the way, one of the many things that doesn't hold up in retrospect on the show. Hey, Steph, good luck with all this stuff and thanks for saying all the cool stuff.

And if you don't mind, hi, Vic and Hayden. Hope you guys are jealous. What's up, Vic and Hayden? Vic and Hayden. Five, six, seven, eight. No! No, Bill, stop. No, Dan, turn it off. Turn it off, Dan. Thank you, guys. okay what's up yeah vick and hayden vick and hayden five six seven eight no turn it off turn it off you guys turn it off steph thought she was just gonna sneak in a vick and hayden uh a quick thing but i think we should just keep talking about vick and hayden i like

vick but i don't like hayden i don't like hayden at all i want their shout out to go awry. Vic and Hayden shout out? No. Yeah, I want. Let's do a Vic and Hayden episode. Okay. We should. So at 444, guys. 444? At 444, what's happening is mentioned. Holy cow.

We haven't talked about this episode at all. I know. No, we have. Here's what I like. We've talked about the Sarah story, both with Steph and Ross. We jumped around. We jumped around. And we talked about the Neil, but we haven't talked about the Judy and Zach

story. We're going to get into it. Listen, Donald, Bill Lawrence episodes are always going to be long because he brings a lot to the table and he's very clever. No, I'm not complaining about the length of the episode. I'm just saying, some people want to listen to a re-watch podcast

and actually re-watch the show at the same time. Well, then they should listen to a rewatch podcast and actually rewatch the show at the same time. Well, then they should listen to a different show. We happen to meander. At 4.40 fucking 4, what's happening is mentioned for the first time. Okay, you don't need to start banging on just. I did. I banged the table. I banged the table on that.

Why am I yelling? What happens at 4.44? What's happening is mentioned for the very first time on Scrubs. Oh, yeah, and you guys did the dance. And we don't even idea it really. She says it's not that great a show. We just expected people to know what we were talking about, and that's such an old

reference. I know, and nowadays kids don't even know the glory of what's happening, unless you're our age. They don't know the glory of what's happening or what's happening now. I know. Do you remember of what's happening or what's happening now. I know. Do you remember what's happening now? What's happening now, Shirley owned the restaurant.

They all grew up. And now Dee is not just a small character. She's like the star of the show. No, Shirley was the star, I think, because she owned the restaurant. Everybody came back. I didn't like what's happening now as much as what's happening. What's happening is a classic. I just liked Rerun's dance, and I liked the moment you guys did for me, which is forever.

I liked, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. What's happening, Raj? Hey, hey, hey. Do you remember in the opening credits when they left Rerun and he's driving in the street? Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, street and then reruns is running after the pickup truck yeah that's rude that's rude that they did that i know they were making fun of the heavyset guy making fun of the heavyset guy but watching rerun chase after that truck was funny. Come on.

It sure was because he had suspenders on. Yeah, well, that and the hat and the same red. His outfit never changed. Do you remember the episode where Raj decided he was going to be a nude model? My favorite thing that's happening right now is you guys said, we haven't talked about the show yet. And then you're do you remember the episode of what's happening by the way and if i was like if i was like at 10 15 in that what's happening episode that's the first time that shirley says i just remember i'm just well we could go back to the show but i just remember there was an episode where raj was doing nude modeling for for artists

you know when they like paint a nude model. And I remember thinking as a child, like, this is scandalous. Raj is going to take off his clothes? Like, that's crazy. Okay, let's get back into the show. Okay. So let's talk about the JD and Carla storyline, which is a very interesting storyline. Yes.

Because at the beginning of the show, you guys are really clicking and grooving. Yes. because at the beginning of the show, you guys are really clicking and grooving. One reason, because your best friend and his now girlfriend are always, you know, we live together, or your roommate and his girlfriend are always around, and so you guys have developed a relationship, and because of that, you're a dynamic duo of your own,

you know what I mean? She doesn't work. Drink up. She doesn't work for you, but you guys are a team that is very, very, very cohesive. And you go along and you fuck it up by becoming judgmental. Right. Well, I'm feeling everyone is being condescending to me, and I'm starting to become a good doctor. I'm starting to get my groove. I'm starting to know what's doctor. I'm starting to get my groove. I'm starting to know what's happening.

And all of a sudden – Oh, my God. Okay, go on. And just, you know, like someone does, he loses his temper. And, of course, he loses his temper at the worst person possible, his teammate, Carla. Yeah. This was also a product – the reason i wrote this is is interesting this is a product of two things one all the nurses that were nice enough to give

us interviews you know one of the stories that you saw was the nurses are essentially the last line of training you know for a lot of these medical students and residents and interns and stuff because when you first show up you know more than they do even say it in the show, then the training kicks in and the dynamic shifts. Um, and you know, so many of them ultimately, um, um, told us that it's so interesting how to navigate that because, you know, there is an air of superiority to some doctors, you know, when they get to that point and it messes up that dynamic, you know, and I wanted to combine that in my personal life, my mom's family, my mom and then me were the first two in her side of the family to go to college, you know,

and then you always kind of enter these dynamics of like, oh, you know, you think you're smarter than me because you actually went on to secondary education and did that stuff. And, you know, as you get older, you realize that doesn't have anything to do with anything. You know, at this point in my life, I know tons of geniuses that didn't finish high school and tons of, you know, grad school graduates.

They're the dumbest people alive. Do you know what I mean? But around youthful things that kind of carries there and um my favorite part of that stuff was her challenging you to admit it and you actually admitting it do you know what i mean and that was what enabled you guys still to be friends i think that scene was really i mean judy's i'm just you know the straight man in that scene her her performance in that rain outside the bus, I thought was just incredible.

She did such a beautiful job, and it was heartbreaking. Still to this day, I'm watching it, and was so moved by how heartfelt and open she was. And I wrote down, because this is what we wanted to do, that people didn't understand comedy at the time and why Judy Reyes was so perfect, because there weren't a lot of dramedies on and one of my favorite jokes in this episode was when before you get off the bus she's leaving and she's like i'm so mad at you and you said uh you you can't you forgave me you

can't just change your mind and without selling it as a joke she's like have you never met a woman before and she walks out into the rain do you know what i mean and it wasn't read like a punch line it was read like yeah you can still be funny in drama and amongst pathos when you're feeling bad and that was like the tonal stuff that's why she's so good man because she's uh always so real. Very, very, very good actors. Yeah. I look back at it like I had no clue how much of a powerhouse she was or is, I should say. And when I watch these episodes, I said it in our first podcast, her and Ken, wow, really, they're really MVPs of our show. You know what I mean? Drink up. They can just be such good actors. You don't have to tell people to drink when you say, you know what I mean? Drink up. You don't have to tell people to drink when you say

you know what I mean. They're just going to do it. I'm bringing it to my attention that I said it. This is the most you've ever done, by the way. You went from the previous episode being conscious of it and doing none to this one doing like 30. You know what I mean?

I probably said it several times in the last episode also oh this episode's also about uh how how important your name is regardless of if it's bambi or jd or your reputation or scooter whatever it is your reputation is very. And you only get one chance to make a first impression. And after that, people will have judgments of who they think you are. And this episode really touches on that. Here's the thing I screwed up in this episode off what Donald is saying. It bothers me. What Dr. Cox's character does to J.D. of shaming him was so bad that it bummed me out that he never got his comeuppance

for that do you know i mean because you didn't tell her to go protect you and then he makes everybody stop and goes we're all to be super special to this little flower you know and i thought that was so egregiously mean you know what i mean uh but his character i guess was flawed but we should have gotten him have him make amends for that or get thumped for that. But boxing fantasy was pretty funny, though. Johnny C oiled up. I was about to say, holy cow, how much oil did he have on?

Well, there was a lot of oil. I remember there being a lot of oil. That was a lot of Crisco, yo. Guys, I watched it with Krista, who had to do all of her romance scenes with Johnny C. And she will eventually be on. You're so nice about her, too. Yeah, we definitely want you on, Krista.

He came on as a punching bag, and she was half asleep. We were upstairs in the room, and she goes half drowsy. Here comes all oiled up. And then he is just glistening with Krista. Johnny C. has a full bottle of Crisco oil on him. Let's be honest, though. He's ripped. He looks great.

He's ripped. He looks amazing. Yeah, I don't even think it's drawn on. Oh, you know what I wanted to say? And I wanted to tell me if you guys thought this in real life. When I say that, this is the last thing I wrote down about Chudi. When I say when you get really lucky,

it's not the writing or anything else. It's everything. And the casting, people have you get really lucky, it's not the writing or anything else. It's everything. In the casting, people have to really nail these characters and be who they are. And the amazing thing watching Judy back then, you guys, Zach and Donald, were such kids. And Sarah's

character, and Sarah felt like a kid. And Judy, and this is one of the reasons I think the show works, she was not significantly she's essentially the same age as all you guys but she seemed like such a grown-up even from the start definitely way more mature than we were you know and seemed like such an adult that it made the show work of like oh one of these four is you know old for her years and an adult already whereas judy is the you know she could have easily, on a different show,

been Elliot or been the little kid. And so was she like that in real life, or was she just that good mattress? In real life, Judy was way more mature than the three of us. I think we were just as silly and goofy as our characters. And Judy was funny and would play along with us, but I think she was definitely more mature than us. Absolutely. By the way, there's a really funny fuck-up, Bill.

At 12.03, when Donald runs into the room that Kelso's lured him to, you can totally see a hand that's come in on the floor, and it's holding the door open. That's hysterical. Now we paint shit like that out. I know, I know. I know. Nowadays we just paint it out. But it made me think it was probably Patrick Bolton

or something lying on the floor. Oh, Patrick. Shout out Patrick Bolton. Patrick Bolton was the on-set dresser. If it has wheels, that thing will be on set. I enjoyed, after hearing the interesting thing you guys both said about eating, I think I've never seen the two of you do more eating in an episode.

Zach having to jam a cupcake in your mouth. Donald just wolfing sandwich. Did you guys really eat that stuff, or were you just spitting it out as soon as they said cut? I do love a sandwich. I'm not going to lie. I do love a sandwich. Well, and also, a cupcake doesn't count, Bill.

If someone says, we need you to jam this cupcake in your mouth, you're going to do it. I mean, that's your excuse. And also, it was that cheap cupcake. What are those called? Hostess cupcakes? Ho-ho? No, too well you said it. I mean, that's your excuse. And also, it was that cheap cupcake. What are those called? Hostess cupcakes? No, Joelle said it. Ding dong.

That was a ding dong. Listen, I'll tell you something right now. You put some cold cuts, some cheese in between, some hero bread. That sounds delicious to me. You could put some lettuce, tomato on it. I'll eat that shit. And another strike at the janitor not speaking to anyone

in season one, Bill, is that he clearly has told Dr. Cox to call me Scooter at the end. I don't know what you're talking about. He never, ever spoke to anybody except JD and Z1. Donald and I have been going through like detectives going, we're trying to keep the janitor lore alive for season one. It's alive. It's not true.

The facts are problematic. The facts are problematic, Bill. It doesn't. We've done all the work just like turk turkleton uh there was just okay so how does oh so in your mind bill get your rationalization button how does cox know to call me scooter uh it's just a random coincidence i love it i really want this to be a running gag that don and i do the detective work to see how the janitor talks to other people i think the only one i think you've ever seen him speak to is elliot in that thing when they're all walking up to each other mad yes yes well she speaks to him he doesn't necessarily speak to to her. Exactly. That might not have even been a janitor she made mad. This is all seen through JD's lens.

The last thing I want to, the last thing I'd ever endow is... And you're absolutely right. Actually, the very next person that the janitor, the very next person that's attacked after Elliot does that to the janitor is JD. So it could be, it could be that, that one's, that one's imaginary. And Elliot was talking to an intern or an orderly or something. That's a possibility.

Or she's just not even talking to anyone. There's no one there. And she's just saying it. Yeah. It's very fight clubby when we, at the end, we should have shown. Yeah,

exactly. There we go. The last thing I want to say is this, they went overboard with the filters on Sarah in the bathtub because it's like Barbara barbara walters you can barely see her through filters and and she's in like this most enormous fucking bathroom and i was thinking like why does elliot but then i remembered is doesn't elliot supposed to have money from her parents her parents are paid because elliot's in like the bathroom of a millionaire's house it was subtext that we had planned for and a lot of it got cut but it eventually

pays off when she tells her dad she doesn't want to go into a female specialty and he stops paying for her life so she has to move in with you she loses her whole uh apartment she works at that apartment she's like this place is big she works at the clinic she starts working at the clinic all of that stuff i remember remember. Well, thank you. Are we done? Yeah, audience, we went all over the place today, but we're so excited. No, Bill? About a show we made.

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