Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - 115: My Bed Banter and Beyond With Randall Winston

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

On this week's episode of Scrubs, JD and Eliot attempt to carry out a secret relationship while at work. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by Scrubs Producer Randall Winston.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We should be... Wait, are you really trying? Wait, hold on. Let me get this straight. Go on. Are you really trying not to eat meat nowadays? I am a pescatarian. I'm trying that out.

When did you become a pescatarian? I watched this documentary that really got me inspired about stopping eating animals besides fish. You sound like my dad. My dad is the same way right now. The documentary was, it's called the Game Changers. Is that what it's called? Yes, game changers. But I've never done anything.

I love burgers. I love all this shit we all have eaten our whole lives. But we have all this time on our hands, right? It's like an experimentation time on every front, right? Like you can experiment with, you know, I've been experimenting with all sorts of things in my life as I'm sure a lot of people have. And one was like, okay, well, let me just try this during this time to only be a fish eater. and I do feel better. I do feel healthier.

Well, that's great. But I know you're very meat passionate, Donald. You know, I'm trying to stay away from the red meat. That's the hardest thing to stay away from. It's so tasty. So I've been trying to figure out different ways to cook a chicken. And I've been doing that a lot lately. But yeah, you're right.

I do agree that too much meat is bad for you, obviously. Because, you know, cholesterol says something about that. blood pressure said something about that, heart disease, colorectal cancer says a lot about that. You know what I mean? And that's when you eat too much red meat usually or processed foods. I'm having a hard time getting off of all of that stuff, though. That's the problem. I know, man.

It's so addictive. But I got to tell you, last night we had a fake burger. You had Beyond Burger? It wasn't one of the fancy ones. Beyond? It wasn't Beyond or impossible. It was the only two names I know. And we just got it at a supermarket.

It was a nice brand. I forgot the brand. But it was amazing. I mean, once you put cheese on it and all the fixins and your spices, it's great. Yeah, but once you put the cheese on it, you're no longer Presbyterian, whatever it is that you're trying to be. Presbyterian. Yeah, yeah, I can eat cheese. I'm just not eating, I'm not eating meat.

I'm not eating any form of meat other than fish. All right. Well, should we sing? You don't seem happy. I want you to get happy. I'm very happy. You can't sing unless you're happy, Donald. It ruins the whole song.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You have a furrowed brow. I am very happy, first of all. Okay. Well, let me see it. We're about to bring on Randall Winston,

one of the most exciting people. I'm really excited by the... I don't want him to see... You better turn that motherfucking bearded frown upside down. I'm telling you something right now. Randall Winston is responsible for some of the most happiest moments of my life, so I can't wait to have him on.

Okay, well, then count these motherfuckers in. Five, six, seven, eight, motherfuckers! stories about a show we made about a bunch of dogs and nurses and a janitor who love to hate I said he's got stories that everyone should go together Why is he wearing like a gaming headset?

That's the only headset I can find Oh my God, you're so adorable right now. You're playing Xbox later, buddy? Did we interrupt you from Call of Duty? Are you flying a chop? Are you flying a chopper? any time soon? I wish.

Oh my God, we're so excited to have you on the show. Yeah, we hear you just fine, buddy. Awesome. Yes, this is my son's gaming headset. I knew it. By the way, this is going to be, I wish the audience could see. Randall is wearing a gaming headset, but if you don't play games, picture a helicopter headset.

Right. And he's in his beautiful garden, and he's wearing his kids' gaming headset. It literally is. It literally is of gaming headsets up. Oh, I love it. I love it. How are you, man? How are you, Randy?

I am fantastic. I mean, all things considered, I'm great, you know. Congratulations on your pickup. Yes, thank you. What's his show? We didn't get picked up, Randall, but you did. I'm so sad. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Donald, I didn't know you didn't get picked up. I'm sorry. It's all good. ABC decided not to go further with emergence, but better news, ABC decided. to go further with mixed dish, which is Randall's show. Oh.

Thank you. Now, let me get this straight. Randall, you're executive producer on the show now? That is correct. Look at you, man. Started at a line producer. We got to go back because Randall's career is on Fuego. And I think if, for people that want to go into Hollywood,

Randall is a really exciting case of someone that's on Fuego right now. Well, not only is Fuego. I remember a video. I don't know how I saw this video, but it was a video of you pretty much. manifesting your destiny. You know what I mean? Saying this is what I want to do. I want to move to Hollywood.

I want to be a big time producer. And you're very young in this video too. I don't know how I saw this video. I don't know how you saw this video. It was posted by a friend of mine. It was our 21st birthday or something like that. This is a girl who I met on the journey to Los Angeles. We met at a rest stop in Oklahoma and became life and friends.

We were on our way to come find our dreams. And she was very into documenting everything. Donald, I can't believe you saw that. That's crazy. Donald and I are very into, well, I don't know. Donald, I think you are, but I'm very pro right now manifesting your shit and making everything happen. My friend, our friend, Amanda, is missed like whiteboard and writing everything down. And actually, I became friendly with John Legend's manager.

I think I've told you this story, Donald, who said that everything that John Legend has accomplished, they put on a whiteboard when they were kids, like, out of, at a college, and they were, like, writing down, like, they were laughing, like, I don't know, this many Grammys and cover a Time magazine. And they were just, like, cracking each other up. And she's like, every single thing we put on that whiteboard happened. Yeah, he got an EGOT. John Legend got an EGOT.

He's got a, right. Well, Randall's going to get a fucking EGOT, especially for his acting skills. Oh, boy, here we go. No, we had to get into it because Donald called me out to Randall saying that I dissed his work as death in the show. And Randall texted me very upset about death, his work is death being criticized. I mean, I think I played the part that was required of death. I also, you know, death is not the only role that they played on Scrubs. Oh, no, you also, well, we haven't gotten to the security guard yet.

He hasn't been introduced yet. The hook, the hook handed security card. Oh, I forgot that you were the hook handed security guard. Leonard, who had tens of fans. Randall, how many episodes did Leonard do, do you think? I don't know exactly how many episodes he did, but I will tell you this. All fans that wrote to me so many people from men's prison got. some sort of treat, a signed script or something from scrubs.

So you weren't able to, you weren't able, you were able to do it and not get carpet tunnel is what you're saying, because there's only like tens of them. Exactly. Would you really give fan mail? Yeah. Yeah, I got like, Leonard. Not a lot. But who got more fan mail?

We got more fan mail. Leonard or death? Leonard for sure. All right. Let's go back to the beginning. Yes, let's start at the very beginning. I try to do that with you manifesting your destiny. But at some point, things changed for you.

Like you lived in New York for a little bit, and then you moved to Los Angeles. Can you just tell us how it all started and how you got connected with Bill and how this became, and how this all transcended into Scrubs? Yes. The truth is, Bill and I met socially first. As a matter of fact, on Scrubs, we kept a graduation photo in Turk and J.D.'s apartment and told everybody that was our graduation picture. But we really, we met on the basketball court. I had an old room.

So I had driven out from the Midwest. You know, I'm trying to find my dream, got to Los Angeles, snuck on to all the lots in town, got myself a job. and I started creating my circle, you know, your chosen family, your L.A. family. And a guy who was my best friend, who I lived with a guy named Greg Malins, who went on to run friends and how I met your mother and a bunch of other stuff,

he and Bill had this, played in this Saturday game and invited me to play a few times. And that's how I originally met Bill. I went from working for a guy named Gary Dave Goldberg. That was my very first job. He's the guy who created family ties. Yeah, exactly he is. Yeah, he was amazing.

He was an amazing mentor, and he had taken Bill under his wing. So Gary is in some ways the reason that we started working together. And the first show we did together was a show called Champs. That was the first show we did together. And Kevin Neeland was in it. It was DreamWork's very first TV show. So that kind of, okay, just to, so Kevin Nealyn, who Zach remembers, being at the first party we ever had in New York City.

Yeah, it's right. Upfront parties, yeah. That's why Kevin Nealin was there, Zach. He wasn't there because he was a fan of the show. He was there because he worked with Bill and Randall. Okay. Well, he may have been a coincidence, but okay. I'll hear you.

Okay. Randall, you froze. Are you still there? Oh, boy. And that was when we lost Randall. Oh, God. What do you drink in there? Mimos. A little Mamoso on Memorial Day.

Yeah, buddy. The thing about Memorial Day is it's just another weekday that you can rationalize it's okay to drink early. Yeah. I mean, now in this day and age, it doesn't feel any different. My girlfriend was like, it's Memorial Day. I'm like, how is that going to be different from any other day that we're living in hibernation right now? We can drink early. We can drink early.

Yeah, the kids don't have to get on Zoom today. Okay, I guess if you have kids, they don't have to get on their Zoom things. But today is a day where, you know, my wife looked at me, it was like, you're drinking already. And I was like, it's Memorial Day. Yeah, it's Memorial Day. So did she then join you? No, she did not. She was like, you're an alcoholic.

I was like, wow. Oh, shit. Be like baby. It's Memorial Day. And on that note, I'm going upstairs to do my podcast. Okay, Randall says he's resetting the Wi-Fi. Oh, God. That's unfortunate.

You know, we lost all the momentum of blowing this guy up. We're going to have to regenerate it. We're going to have to regenerate it. We're going to have to regenerate our Randall blowup. He said, fucking Spectrum. I just had my dad switch off of Spectrum for the same reason. That shit is due to. Tractrum is bad.

Dan, you don't support. Now, guys, I want you to listen. This is a very, very technical man here. And he's saying, fuck Spectrum. So if you're choosing a provider, Listen to Dan. The only way that I found that you get good internet service is if you just switch from provider to provider every year or so. Because they don't reward loyalty.

There's no like your bill is reduced, your service is better. It just gets worse and worse and worse. And they want to keep getting new customers. So I have gigabit internet, a thousand megabytes up and down for 75 bucks a month, which is the cheapest internet I've ever had. And it's just because I switched. You got that 5G? What are you using now, Dan? AT&T.

AT&T. AT&T. All right. Well, guys, you're hearing it here first that Dan really recommends AT&T. It's really about you can work the companies against each other if you're constantly quitting one and saying no, fuck off, you suck. And then they give you a better rate. So if you have the time, which you do now, you too can have fancy, fast internet like Dan. Randall, welcome back. We're in the middle of blowing you up. And then you had to do a Wi-Fi problem. All right, so let's get back into it. So you- Let's just jump to in the spirit of time. Let's just keep the, this moving. You start work on Spin City with Bill and you hit it off. You become besties. You're partying around the city. Your young men in Manhattan. Go.

It's amazing. How did you get from L.A. How did you get from L.A. to Manhattan? How did that happen? Well, we're... You took a plane, Donald. No doubt. Fuck you, man. The fight. If I could reach through this screen right now. You know what? It goes back to basketball. We came off the basketball court one night playing and Gary and Bill pulled me aside and they said, you know, we just wrote this pilot. We sent it to Michael J. Fox, and they said, there's a character, the mayor is named after you.

I think your mother would be very proud. So we had Mayor Randall Winston, and played by the great Barry Boswick. And with the show, we did the pilot in L.A., but Michael was living in New York and said he would only do the series if we took it to New York. that was the opportunity of a lifetime. You know, changed my life.

I got the chance to go to New York. Gary took a select group of people. And Donald, you know Sebastian. Do you guys know Sebastian? Jens? We moved. We all went to New York with all excitement. Nobody was over anything.

Everybody just was into going to the city. You were wide-eyed. How old were you? I was, I think I was 29. I think I turned 30. that year but Bill was Bill's like a year younger than me

and he had like the first American Express black card and he would say you know Randall go out and find us an after hours every Friday so there'd be lines at these after hours clubs and they're like you know absolutely we don't have any room I'd be like you got room now motherfucker now you got a piece of I say I need two cases of champagne

and a private room and that was just the beginning. Right. Wow. Now, I got to tell you something, some of my favorite moments, some of the best moments of my life I've shared with you, Rand. You have been present at some of the most special moments, some of the most wildest moments, some of the craziest moments of my life have been with you there.

I love that. Everything, everything from partying in Vegas to marrying him and his wife and everything in between, Randall has been there. He has been there. How many people have you married, Randall? 17 successful couples. Donald, what I say? I said, you got to be serious because everybody I marry stays together.

Right. How many people have gotten divorced? Zero. Oh! You got a good streak. That's right. I don't want people messing my streak up. Now, Randall, if I'm listening to this, I was preparing for this, and I thought, if I'm listening to this and I'm interested,

in production, but I don't know anything about it. I see in the credits all the time a line producer, but I see exec producer, I see an associate producer, I see all these titles. Could you explain to people that have nothing to do with the business what a line producer does? Yes, yes. It's true that TV credits are lousy with producers.

And usually if the credit is line producer or produced by, that credit is reserved for the person who is, responsible for keeping the train running on time, making sure that you've got the right group people in the right place, making sure that the show is on budget, that it is getting delivered on time, not just within the time constraints of your time slot, but delivered the day that it's supposed to be delivered, you know, sort of soup to nuts. It starts with the prep, which is, as it sounds, the preparing of the show, when you first get a little bit of information about the series and each episode, you know, you start to break it down with your team.

You know, how many actors are we going to need? Do we need to build sets? Are we going out anywhere? And what is it going to take? And I think that job at its best is a negotiator and a translator. You know, that's somebody who, you know, oftentimes it was between, I'm working between Bill, on Scrubs, between Bill who created the show and the studio and the network. so that everybody's getting what they need.

And even when they're not speaking the same language, or figure out what the best thing to accomplish what's in the script is can be accomplished within the box that's been built. Yeah, and the line producers also, if you think about it, the keeper of the purse in a sense that when you're directing or show running, you will often think, oh, I think we should, I wrote this big scene. it would be great to shoot it in this amazing restaurant.

And then I want to get a crane outside that's going to come down here. And then it would be cool if it was raining outside. By the way, this is when the lime producer starts to sweat. And we start to go, wait, do we need rain? Why do you need rain? Every time Zach got a directing assignment, before there was even a script, he would come to me and say, I need a crane.

Exactly. Exactly. I don't even know what the fucking script says, but I'm going to need a big-ass crane. But so it's the line producer's job, almost like a parent to be like, look, you used a dollar and you got your candy bar. You should have saved it and you could have an ice cream. Yes. Right.

You could have one big thing or two little things. Right. And a lot of times it's negotiation like, hey, you know, the keybie of the money, but in terms of the money, it's not just the camera gear, but how many crew, how many extras are you going to be able to afford? Are you going to be able to do any overtime? All of that, as often as the relationship I often have with the line producers, they say it, think of it like a, a Chinese food menu in that you're choosing from a myriad of things that you can have, but you can't exceed that budget. So if you do want a big-ass crane,

then maybe you can't have as many background at the wedding. It's so funny that you say that I oftentimes across my career have literally made a Chinese menu for directors and executive producers, you know, because you inevitably get to a point. And Bill and I used to have, you know, something back then, it was like the $1,000 deal, which was once we had locked the budget, he was not allowed to bring me any problems that cost more than $1,000.

Like, where I could figure it out, you know, if it was $1,000 or under, but, you know, you can't be adding stuff once we're, once we started rolling. Now, on Squab's back in the day, we would do a lot of overtime, which now people don't really do anymore, right? I mean, on your jobs now, are people pretty much keeping it to 12 hours these days? It depends, really. I mean, for the most part, yes, but a lot has changed. You know, we did for a big chunk of that show, a true single-camera show, which is almost all shows have more than one camera rolling at a time.

Now, so you can get more work done within the hours you can get, you know, for those who do people know the difference between single and multi, like usually on a single-camera show, you're getting one angle at a time, shooting one actor's close-up, and then you turn around and get the other actor. And the more actors in a scene, you know, the more times you're turning. and if you have multiple cameras, then you can get multiple shots. But on a show like Mixedish, you know,

or, you know, American Housewife or any show that's got a family, you know, family show as opposed to community, you're up against kid hours. So those shows in particular are held to a stricter standard of hours. I'm going to be honest with you. I love it when kids are on the show now and you're working the show because you're not going past 12 hours.

Dude, you might not even do eight hours that day. You know what I mean? mean, I love it. I did emergence this last year. It didn't get picked up, ABC. Thank you. You were great in it, Donald. By the way, you were great in that show.

I think we should pour some out for emergence. Rest and peace, emergence. But I remember we had two very young ladies on the show, and they were in school, and once they showed up to set, we had the clock was ticking. We had eight hours to get them done, or they turned into a pumpkin. Yeah, they called pumpkining. And so I used to love that. It would be like, are the kids working today?

And they'd be like, yeah, and I'd be like, great. That means I'm done before, you know, I'm done before the sun goes down. It's when the kids weren't working that you were like, oh, my God, I'm going to be here forever. Right. If you see kids on there, you can make a day. Right, right. You can be like, I can make that eight o'clock movie tonight. Randall, you and I always got along so well.

You know, sometimes the relationship between a director and a line producer can be contentious because the director feels like, oh, you're taking away. You're not working with me. You're not making it. You're not helping me realize all the things I want to do. Of course, the line producer has a stressful job. You're like, dude, you're killing me. You're so over budget.

What the hell are you talking about? But when the two are friends and they feel like, hey, let's work it out, then it never gets contentious. But of course, sometimes when people don't get along, the line producer and the director don't always like each other. Well, I think that it has been to the great benefit of my career in general. And part of it is just, I think, the way that I like to work is that the goal is to be symbiotic. Like, you know, when people think that it's contentious, it is contentious.

But, you know, we're all rowing in the same direction. You want a great show. You want, in comedies in particular, you know, like, I think about the episode, I know it's not the episode we're talking about today, but your episode when you go into the puddle and you see, what was the first? A manatee, it was not a sea monster. Do you say sea monster? It was not a sea monster, Randall.

It was a manatee named Julian. Julian. I love that you said sea monster. What was the sea monster's name? So that's a perfect example of that script had so much in it. But that was the biggest joke in the show. And, you know, we had to call the city and get dig alert. And it was the first time I got to use a jackhammer.

We're like digging holes in the parking lot and creating a swimming pool that we're going to have to fill in but but the question was you know is this one of the funniest things in the script what what are we what are we going to give up or combine so that we can keep that and that trusting relationship you know with with with with the actor with the director with the writers you know builds that thing that you're talking about and ron and rinald you're the kind of person that was like so on board you'd be like oh my god we have to figure it out we have to figure out a way i know yeah because randall i think that i think that gag which involved building two different small swimming pools to code

because the city was not going to let anyone not do it to code was one of the most expensive gags in Scrubs history, as I recall. Yes, it was. Yes, it was very expensive. That's, you're right, Zach. That's a very important point. If you have a line producer whose game and is like, I can figure this out if you work with me,

we can figure this out, you're going to get some of the best stuff. You know what I mean? Of course, and it was so weird about Randall was he wasn't, You know, some of these guys and gals are sitting in an office and they're rolling your eyes when you walk in. Randall was out there with the jackhammer being like, I can't believe I'm building the toll. Totally true. All right. Should we get into the episode?

Yes, let's get into the episode. So, Randall, this one is supersized. Let's talk about that. Very rare. Most episodes thus far in the show have been 22 minutes without commercials. This one is 28, which is. is a big leap to supersized, right? It was a big issue at the time,

the show with the pizza clock, as we called it. But the network was very contentious about this episode, and they did not rerun it again in certainly not that season, and I don't think for years, because it being supersized, and it's a very thoughtful episode, you know, very emotional goes inside where the characters are, And I think at the time, you know, we were still in season one,

and they wanted it to just be, you know, more JD falling. Yeah, exactly. More JD running. They were like, what are you doing this weird documentary style interludes? I mean, where's JD running into a wall? And, you know, but it's a great episode, I just want to say, written by Gabrielle Allen and directed by Lawrence Trilling, who became one of our favorites early on.

He then went on to do pushing daisies and, and Parenthood, and I just Googled now that he's on Goliath, but super talented guy. I think Lawrence Trilling and I did Felicity together. You did, you did? Are you ever on Alias, Donald? No, I was never on Alias. Okay, well, he also did Alias.

But yeah, he directed Young Donald Faison and Felicity. He's a really great guy, really fun, good director, and Gabby, God, I love her. It was a good combination. Good team. Great team. And I just thought there's a lot of style. this. So there became this convention, a few conventions, there's the pizza clock thing.

If you look down at the pizza guys in case you didn't notice, the idea was that it was mimicking a clock. And so as the episode is cutting between that one night of Sarah and I in bed and then back to the few weeks that follow us trying to date, whenever it cuts back, the pizza is trying to look like a clock from that night. So there's that sort of gag, the timeline shake up. And then there's these documentary style shaky cam, grainy film, as though we're all being interviewed for a psychologist's project on why people become doctors, right? Right. Okay.

That's not, I thought that was the next episode, but okay. No, that's my bed banter and beyond. That's some intercutting Sarah and I in our big epic fuckfest, for lack of a better term. I got to tell you something, man. Nobody missed that much. Let's go back. You said the word, and now we can talk about it, I guess. I miss those days.

I miss the days when it was just sex all day, you know, before kids, when you could just bone all day, then go out to dinner that night and then bone some more. My wife and I, you know what, we got to make an appointment now, and it sucks. Is it in your eye, cow? Dude, I'll be like, you think it's a joke, and a lot of stand-up comics have made this joke. But it's real. You'll be like, how about sex Thursday? Can we do Thursday? No, I can't do Thursday.

I'm having my hair done. Right. No, no, no, no, no, no. The kids got Zoom all day. I'm going to be exhausted by 8 o'clock. There's no way. And Ozark comes on. I got to watch Ozark.

Okay, well, we're off Friday. Jason Bateman is stealing your sex night. Jason Bateman is fucking it up for me right now, dude. I hear the show's a good-looking man. I hear the show's great, but Dan, you, Jason Bainman. I just wish he would get through the show already.

I just missed those days. I missed the days where it was like, and that, granted, I love my children and I love having them in my life, but I just miss the days of freaking waking up, boning, going to Hugo's to get breakfast. Brunch. Brunch. Right. Brunch.

Whatever it is. Coming back home and being like, what do you want to do? Well, we haven't fucked in like five hours. We might as well fuck again. Perfect. Donald, I am sitting outside looking longingly at my blackout shutters and how we use to use them so much more. Right. Just like crank it down, black out the bedroom and do what you got to do, right?

Them days is over. Them days is over. You guys are really doing a great ad for having children right now. No, you should do it. It's great. It's wonderful. As you both drink your white claw. Now, Elliot has said in previous episodes that she's never had an orgasm, and she said that she doesn't like sex.

So is J.D. the first person to not only bring her to orgasm, but show her the wondrous world of epic sex days? I'm sure you would like to think so. I think yes. I'm not J.D., Donald. I'm Zach Braff, but I think the character of J.D. probably was good in bed. Well, you know, in the beginning of it all, JD was kind of a sucker when he's like, he'd almost let her walk out of the house. And she was obviously very much into JD. Well, I don't know, dude. I disagree.

I was watching it with fresh eyes. And I was thinking, I couldn't read where she was. Was she like, hey, I should go. And then, you know, you know what that's like back in the day. Dude, I hate that shit. I hate that shit. Why to test? Why I got to be tested for?

How come you can't just be like, you know what? maybe this was a mistake. Was it a mistake, though? Or did we, you know what I mean? Like, I remember saying to my wife when she was my girlfriend, like, you know, I don't know, I don't know if this is, if this is working out, you know what I mean? And her being like, you don't? This is, you know, wait a second.

This is the best thing that's ever happened to you. What do you mean you don't know if this is working out? Like, that was real talk. The fact that J.D. almost had her out the door before he was, before. she turned around and was like, yo, just say you want me to stay and stop being a sucker, stop being a little punk about this. Just say you want me to stay and I'll stay and we can go have sex again. And then he's finally like, will you stay?

She's like, yeah, you're going to pay for that though because I almost walked down. Yeah, but don't you remember back in the day when you weren't, when you weren't in such a long-term relationship when something's new and you're kind of insecure about it? You're like, did this person have as good of fun as I did? I don't want to be the one who put, I don't want to put my one, I don't want to be the one who puts myself out there and gets dissed. Like you're in a very vulnerable state. You're like, I kind of like this person.

Do they like me? You know? Well, didn't Jay, do the character just, wasn't he in the friend zone? A couple episodes before that? Yeah, they were friend zoned. Yeah, like maybe seven episodes before he gets friend zoned. Right. And then he, we got to go to break.

We'll be right back with the legendary Randall Winston. New year, new goals. And in this economy, a better money plan. is more necessary than ever. I am Matt. And I'm Joel. We are from the How to Money podcast. And every week we help you to spend smarter, save more, and make sense of what's going on out there. If you want 2026 to be the year you finally feel in control of your money, we're here to give you the tools and advice to help you make it happen. Listen to How to Money on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work. This is wild.

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Randall, what? We're very excited. We're very excited. Randall's here. We're talking about sex. J.D. and Elliot have an epic, epic 24 hours of sex. And it seems that J.D. has found a way to bring Elliot all the way to the promised land because she seems to be really enjoying sex.

Well, the fact that they have it like six or seven times is ridiculous. And she even brings up, I'm going to need a vagina transplant. Yeah, she says she's going to need a vagina transplant, which is a very funny fantasy, cutting to the guys. running through the hole with the vagina in a box with a vagina in a box in the cooler

Randall was that They should have done the song Vagina in a box Randall was Vagina transplant something that anyone was worried about getting through the sensors because it seems pretty risky to have a vagina in a box

Yes I remember there being like some conversation about I can't remember whether it was a lot of conversations But the great thing about Scrubs was that there was always something else to point at. Like, you know, another red herring. I was like, we'll have a vagina in the box. But he says, Dick, three times, two pages later, we'll get rid of that.

So part of Randall's job was being Bill's liaison to the studio and being like, listen, guys, it's just one vagina in a box. We're not going to have vaginas in boxes every week. And the great thing about the working with the person, there was a woman, I can't remember if this was Sandy Christmas, it was this Sandy Christmas, it was this very sweet woman who we used to have these conversations with. So I'd get on the phone and she'd be like, now random, about the vagina in the box. And, you know, and then you later say penis, you know, do we have to have all? all of that in the show. Yeah. And what's funny is they'll often give you,

they'll often give you a sheet of all their objections and it's a negotiation. And then even when you get it through, they'll be like, okay, we are fine with the vagina in the box. Please do not show a vagina in a box. Like, even shit, you're like, really, guys? You had to write that on the paper. Like you think we were going to cut to a vagina for NBC in the box.

And sometimes they say, sometimes they say stuff and you're thinking, oh, damn, you're way dirtier than I. That is not what we meant. This is a true story. We had to go into VFX, visual effects, and adjust Donald Scrubs in a particular scene because we thought we thought we were seeing too much of a bulge. Oh, Donald was mentioning. That is how we do it.

Dan, how about thunderous applause? That is how we do it. Let's have some thunderous applause for my junk. And then, Dan, if you wouldn't mind, put a. Mm-hmm. I used to do Aloma at the table reads, and most of my readers required me to just go, mm-hmm.

Whenever Nurse Roberts couldn't be at the table read, Randall would play her, and his favorite part was doing her, mm-hmms. Speaking of Aloma, holy cow, she's amazing in this episode. Very funny. Every one of her lines lands hard. You know what I mean?

White boys. You mean it was a secret? All of this stuff. Everything that she said in this episode, I laughed out loud. Now, let's get rid of into it right away. You know, the janitor sees Aloma and she sees him. And she looks at him like, get the fuck out of my way. And Randall Bill is still hanging on to his dream that the janitor was only seen by J.D. in season one.

And we are, Donald and I are detectives that are quickly proving him wrong. in every other episode. Yes. Yes. I never bought into that that he was a figment of JD's imagination. Right. It's Mr. Snuffle Lefagus.

Yeah. I mean, and remember he had, because there's some episodes later, I remember an episode I directed where he has a group of henchmen played by our grip team, you know, and they survey our all,

you know, in it with him. And isn't his, his side, he has two sidekicks. Troy and Randall, right? Yeah, Randall. I remember Randall.

Played by Martin. Played by Martin. Played by Martin, who was also in Oz the Great and Powerful with me, and who was also in Pirates of the Caribbean. Yes. I love that. The Caribbean. Let's talk about Calico Vision, which comes up at 721. Did you have Calico Vision, either one of you?

I did not. My friend had Calico Vision. And I remember Calico Vision being so awesome because the video games looked exactly like they looked in the arcade. So if you had Donkey Kong, it looked like Donkey Kong from the... arcade. I thought that was smurfs. And I had smurfs.

Do you remember that game? I don't, I don't remember the smurf game. Well, if you are interested in video games, please go on, I'm sure on YouTube, they can play you the theme music from Smurfs on Clecovision

and that jam was fire. Was it la la la la la la la la la la la la la. No, la la la la. Come on. That was the dope shit. La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la. Let's put it this way. If Jay Z can make us

song from Hard Knock Life? Yes. You can do that again and I'll kick in my beepbox and we got a jam. We're halfway there for you. I love that. I love that. You're going to have to line that up with some delay. I think it's fire and I think we can beat Hard Knock Life.

You've bided me that Donald on set used to do Transformers as a jam. Oh, dude. Late night. Neil Diamond. Neil Diamond singing Transformers. I thought I did it already. But if I haven't, if you missed it, do it, baby. Transformers more than meets the eye.

Keep going. Keep going. The Transformers face their battles to destroy the evil forces of the deceit. Exceptacons. By the way, Neil Diamond's your best impersonation. You also do a pretty good... I don't know how much, but I know I love me. Well, you do a better version of Aaron Neville than I do.

Let me hear you. Mine's trash. I don't know how much, but I know I love you. And that may be... Yeah, yours is way better than mine. Way better than mine. There you go. That's the extent of our impressions.

Calico Vision. Great game system. I felt like a baller because I had it. And, you know, remember the control was like a long rectangle. And then there was a little thing on top. And then the circle on the bottom, yeah. Not to be confused with Intellivision, which I didn't have. Or in television, wow.

Was it in television? It was Colico Vision. Well, it started with the Atari 2,600. I remember that. Everybody had that. Yeah. And then there was Calicovision. Go ahead, Randall, with the gaming headset.

I feel like the guy with the gaming headset. you weigh in. I 100% should, but this makes me sound 100 years old. I am currently doing a puzzle during COVID that is all of the original video games. So it's got like Atari

and like, yeah, so it's I need that puzzle. It's a mismatch. We got a Van Gogh Starry night and we're not even getting anywhere near to starting it, but I feel like if it was the old game consoles, we've had it done already. I'm sending it to you. There's an Alph mention in this show. Oh, loved Alf.

I was a huge fan of Alf when I was a kid. Me too. Max Wright. Alf, what are you doing? Al! The puppet from outer space. Who loved to eat cats. I remember being a little kid and the trailer teaser for Alf came on. And I remember being a little kid, my first film critic going,

that looks so stupid. Cut to me loving Alf, like having Alf stuffed animals. What was not to love about Alf? I visited the Alf set. You did? I remember. Now, was it raised up so they could have a puppeteer? Yes, and it was like, it wasn't at a real stage.

It was at a warehouse in Culver City. As I recall, Max Wright, who was, who played the father, who was an accomplished theater actor and Shakespearean actor and genius actor all around, fucking hated it. I think that's part of the lore, is that he absolutely hated doing a puppet show. Now, did you watch all the elves? Were you a religious elf?

Because there's some episodes I miss. I mean, I'm not ready to do the rewatch podcast. There's a very special elf where I, what I remember mostly is crying during Alf. Alf went to visit the girl in the hospital. And it was like, you know, tonight on a very special elf. Do you remember when they would like, back in the day, for those of you who were too young,

when there was a sad, like on Scrubs, we had sad episodes all the time. But on old school sitcoms, they would always warn you like, tonight on a very special silver spoons. the ricker will the ricker will kill a deer we recommend and they would go we recommend parents watch

with their children do you remember that for sure but on scrubs if it was sad we just would play the theme song a little slow yeah new year new goals and in this economy a better money plan is more necessary than ever

I am Matt and I'm Joel we are from the how to money podcast and every week we help you to spend smarter save more and make sense of what's going on out there. If you want 2026 to be the year you finally feel in control of your money, we're here to give you the tools and advice to help you make it happen. Listen to How to Money on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real?

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka neuro-linguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology.

Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor. who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP, might actually work. This is wild.

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Everything happened to Dudley or Arnold. Yeah. And then I don't know what happened on Alf, but I don't know if they made the announcement. It must have been serious. Tonight. Tonight on a very special episode of Alf. Alf learns to touch himself.

Oh, boy. Oh, boy. See, you can't handle it. I used to have an Al stuffed animal and, uh, well, never mind. Well, that made it sound like I fucked the doll. I didn't. I just, I just, I just, it did sound like you were about to say you fucked the wolf.

It sounded like you were about to say, Yeah, I fucked the doll. Did Alf have a tail? I don't know. No, no, no, no. He did not. I don't think so. Joel, can you please look up if Alf had a tail?

Alf did not have a tail. You're feeling really confident about that. You didn't see Alf's ass that much. Okay, let's talk about how well Johnny does in this episode. Yeah, in the monologue. In the monologue section, everybody's great in the, oh, Joelle, what? You look at your face lit up. Alf does have a tail.

I told you, Joe. Bullshit. Bullshit. I missed the picture. Donald, you fucking liar. I just don't remember Al. Is it a long tail? Listen.

No, it's like a dog's tail and only because you can see him like he's looking out the window in a single shot. Listen, but I want to see if the Alst- I barely remember episodes of scrubs. How am I supposed to remember Alph? Oh, he does have a tail. So I have a memory.

I think what I was trying to say with the stuff to animals, I used to pull Alv's tail through his legs to make it look like it was Alps penis. Alth time. Oh my gosh. All right. Johnny C is good in this episode.

Yes. Not only that, before we do that, let's go back a little bit. I didn't know that Kelso's actual name was Kelso-Kelsonovich's. Kelsanovitch. Kelsanovitch, yeah.

Well, I don't think that comes up again. But this is the first episode where he introduces his wife. name Enid. Right. And I thought that was just very interesting that, you know, he changed his name to fit in to be, to sound more American. So instead of Kelsanovich, it then became Kelsso. I think everybody did, including Donald Faison and Judy and Sarah, everybody was great

in these monologue sections. They were, oh my God. It was kind of a cool, it's funny because that documentary style became very common and shows like The Office and Modern Famous. that we're doing sort of the shaky cam documentary style was not a style we did on scrubs, but because of this segment, I don't know why the interviewer was so hirky jerky with the damn camera. I mean, put the fucking thing on a tripod and calm down. The interviewer was making like his own shaky cam TV show.

But I thought everyone, it seemed like the mandate was that they were not going to have cuts in them and they would all be long takes. And I thought everyone did a really nice job in those scenes. Do you recall if they prepared us for that? Because the fact that I knew my lines like that was very weird. You surprised yourself. I'm watching it. I'm like, they're going to cut soon because there's no way I remember all of this.

We talked about it a lot, and we knew it was going to be one take. If I remember correctly, those are half the monologues that we did. Part of the reason why the episode is so long is because those chunks. And I remember Johnny C. I feel like he was disappointed because there was another long take.

you know so even though this episode is what do we say 24 28 28 28 I think the editor's cut was closer to 40 yeah and there's a really cool section later on where we're Donald and judy are side by side and they're still not cutting so they were able to time out I don't know was judy in the room reading with you don't know they that that was they gave us earwigs I think for that oh because your wig earwig if those you don't know is a tinier piece that that goes in your ear that that you can't see, the camera can't see. I remember rehearsing it with the voice track. I think they recorded Judy first.

I could be wrong, no. I think they recorded Judy first, and then I went in after her to record. Well, the timing of that was perfect because you, you know, you had to stall, so you were, like, thinking, and then you took a sip of your water. And, like, it totally looked natural, but it was well done by Larry Trilling. Trilling, man. That was one of the, that was one of the highlights in my night. that I wrote, you know, this was his first episode to direct for us. And we gave him a pretty, you know, you guys gave him a big, Randall,

and you and Bill gave him a pretty big episode to produce. I wonder if he was ever like, yo, what money do I get to make this go easier for me? You know what I mean? I'm guessing he was told that it was going to be a long one because, right, Randall? Or was that decided after the fact? It was decided after the fact. We didn't know it was going to come out that, but we knew from timing the table read that we were up against it

and that we didn't want to make cuts in those, you know, soliloquy pieces, you know, directly to the camera. For some reason, I feel like production-wise, there was just a lot of talk about the pizza clock, like getting the right angle and how much pizza to take out. You know, we were in that bedroom for so long, which was a tight set. Yeah. And Sarah and I, you know, we were friends, and we really loved each other,

But that was a very bizarre thing to have that much fake sex all over one set for many days on end. Well, yeah, not just that you guys were very much in each other's face. I was going to ask you, you guys made out a lot in this episode. Yeah. How awkward was that for you? I think it was, you know, you always hear actors talking about, oh, it's, you know, it's all very, you know, choreographed and it's not weird at all. It is weird. You know, there's everyone standing around.

You're making out with your good. friend. It's, you know, it was, it was bizarre. I remember being, because also a lot of most times, it's just like, okay, there's a quick makeout scene. It's a TV show. You know, that's all it ever is. This was like, you know, wrestling around and groping each other and for days. So it was weird. Face to face. Not only face to face. Bonaca, Donald, you got to have Bonaca. We had a boom man named Kevin. What was his last name, Randall? Do you remember? I can't think of it right now.

And then the line. Married to Tanya. The Lydryor also hires the whole crew, everybody. So he should really know Kevin's last name. But Kevin used to see that we all used to have Benaka. This is like back in the day still that we had like spray the aerosol bonaca. And we made a joke like, oh, it'd be great because the boom mic's right over your head. We were like, it'd be great if there was a boom, if there was Benaka on the boom

because then we could just reach up, pull the boom mic down and grab it off. The next day we show up and he had Velcroed a bonaca to the end of the boom mic. Not the mic itself, the stick. and the pole. Kevin Santee. Kevin Santee, thank you. And literally, he wasn't just a joke. He kept it up there for like months.

And whenever you needed a binaki, you just reach up, grab the boom pole, pull it off, do a spray, Velcro up back and stick it off. I used to go crazy with the bonaca because I felt like maybe if I spray enough in my mouth, the aerosaw and the freaking mint will get me high enough. Really?

When your weed was wearing off? So Donald was, his weed had worn off and he was on set too long. Let me try and get high off Bonaca. Yeah, I remember one day, Randall came into the room. Randall, tell me if you remember this. And you were like, Donald. And we were on set.

You were like, Donald, wake up. Do I need to splash cold water in your face or something? Wake your ass up. When you hire something? No, no, no, no, no, no. But in my mind, I was like, they know. They know. It was probably because you were taking too long to get to set.

No. The only time I took a lawyer. time to get to set was when Grand Theft Auto Vice City came out. And I remember one time they were trying to get me to set. And I was on my way out the door and Randall's pushing my door in as I'm pulling it. And I was like, hi. And he was like, get upstairs now. Randall, you had to be bad cop.

I had to put the grip on. Yeah. Grabbing people steer him to set. I remember sending a PA to your house one time, Zach. Somebody had to like climb over the fence to get you to like wait. That was a really bad moment. No, what happened was the power, what had happened was, the power went out, the power went out in my, in my, on my street or my neighborhood. And so the alarms didn't go off.

And, and also the phones didn't work. And so I woke up to a PA knocking on my window. And, which is the worst sight, if you're an actor, it's like the most horrible feeling. And I remember getting to set really late. And Bill looked at me and he's like, no, no, don't worry. We'll split the 50 grand. I think during Scrubs, I had a real moment of peace about producing, which was I gave up on the idea of everything being okay for more than five minutes at a time.

Because nothing's ever always okay. It's like, nobody, and, and. You just put now fires. Nobody comes to my door to be like, everything's great. It's always like, you know, somebody took my candy. We don't have any film, you know, somebody's late. Did we ever run out of film? Um, we came, we came close. We used a lot of short ends one particular week because part of the reason that we were able to fly under the radar, um, financially. And one of the reasons that that show is one of the last shows to be on film is because we shot on 16. We shot super 16, not 35. So we cut our production costs, you know, by a lot. But we made a great print. I mean, we, we showed that show on a DGA, in the GGA screen.

screening room and it held up. So, yeah, but those of you don't know, this was one of the last shows still being shot on film, especially 16mm film probably at the time. Probably nothing is right now, I would guess, unless it's like a big budget feature on Netflix or something. But most people don't do that anymore anyway. And it's one of the reasons why people always ask, how come there's no Blu-ray and high-resolution 16-9 version of the show.

it's because when we made it, we didn't, and we were done with it, no one anticipated all this streaming stuff. So it was never like up-res to be 4K video. Right. They didn't cut the film and then we do it. And some of the film that we used, you can't even get anymore. A lot of the flashback scenes, I think you'll see it in season one, are shot on something that was called Reversal Film,

which was like from the Vietnam War. It could have this look of, you know, the theater. have a specific texture, those. In fact, there's clearly a different film stock being shot for these interview sequences because they're very grainy and have a different color sort of palette than the show itself. When did we switch over to Chip then? When did we switch over to digital? Did you do it in season nine?

It would only be in season nine. I think it was before season nine, to be honest with you. I don't think so. I mean, because because it was talked about so much shows, because NBC had made this mandate that everybody was going digital. But then when they looked at our numbers, they were like, eh, keep doing what you're doing. Like, I think maybe in that season nine we went digital,

like I honestly can't remember off the top of my head. I remember that. I remember that that was very interesting when you would see them changing mag or somebody getting the film ready for the day and having to put the film in a mag so that it could fit on the camera and reaching into this like a bag. It looked like a bag is what it looked like.

Well, it was a picture like a miniature camera. tent that like that would fit on a desktop and it was blacked out so that they could put their hands in there and not expose the film while loading them the camera magazines right i used to i used to be like i remember when we switched over to i guess it was season nine where we switched over to chip and i remember being like this is the easiest thing in the world why didn't we do this before like we could do takes for days and days and days all i remember all my fuck-ups every time i missed a line or forgot a line and everything like that. I remember being like,

how much more room do we have on the mag before, you know what I mean, before we're out, and we have to change the mag again. Yeah, you'd have about 11 minutes on a 60 millimeter magazine and you'd be like trying to get it and be like, how much more fun we got before you roll out?

I got it, I got it. Let's go, let's go, go. With digital, you can go forever now. You'd be like, don't cut, don't cut, we got a cut, we only got like 19 feet. All right, fine, cut. When I say to Sarah, we're going to need a stool sample, not for medical reasons. My robot needs food.

I made that up, I'm proud to say, and Sarah cracked up at it. And it's so random and weird, but I love it. Okay. I got to feed my robot. Pooh. Pooh. Your robot eats poo. Patient poo.

Patient poo for the robot. It all comes down to poo. Everything comes down. And I laughed out loud when Sarah. is 1704, Sarah's making fun of my laugh because she's like already over me. And she's like, oh my God.

That is so funny. And she does a funny impression of you. Because, I mean, that laugh has got a lot of genuine laughs with the silly JD laugh all through the season. Yeah. I feel like that's how every, I think that's how every relationship should be.

What you see is what you get. You know what I mean? But unfortunately, unfortunately, what you see and what you get sometimes, You think you want it, and then eventually it makes you want to kill the person, which it turns out to be with Elliot and J.D. She loved the laugh in the beginning. Oh, I love it.

It's so cute. And then at the end of the show, she's like, fuck that laugh, dude. Laugh like that again one more time. I dare you. I tell you. It's like, say what again. Say what again, motherfucker. Say what one more time.

I know, I hear you. Isn't that so sad, though, when a relationship goes sour and all the things you thought were so adorable you now just fucking hate. Yeah. That was my life back in the day. Oh, he's got such potential. We have some guests here, Randall. So we have a guest that come on the show, Randall.

I know that you don't listen to the podcast. So, um, Randall listens to the podcast. I don't think he does. I don't think he does. Yeah, he does. Because somebody was like, yo, they talked about you on the podcast the other day. Yeah, that means that means that Randall was told by someone and he went and listened to one episode.

And he was like, oh, they got a podcast? I need to check that out. Oh, somebody's doing a podcast. Take doctors real friends. I was like, oh, nice name. Hey, I got a shout out. All right, we're going to go to a break, and when we come back, we'll have our guests. New Year, new goals, and in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever.

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Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So Randall, when we do the commercial breaks and the song comes back, it doesn't have the, mm-hmm. A lot of our fans like to add their own, that's part of it. Oh, Barbara.

Hi, Barbara. Barbara and Robbie are twins. Oh, my goodness. One of you is a doctor. Oh, my God. Things are getting weird, you guys. Two different women have entered, and they appear to be identical twins in different parts of the world. Where are you guys calling from? I'm calling from UK.

You're in the UK? I'm calling from Visa in Italy. And you're in Italy. So you guys. Are you a doctor? Yes, I am. Yes, I am, but I'm not working yet. Okay.

I had some problems for coronavirus, which delayed some technical issues. Okay. Okay. And then, Robbie, what about you? Are you a doctor, too? No, no. I graduated in law last February. So you've got a lawyer and a doctor.

Wow, your parents must be very happy. Very proud. Yeah. And last time we saw each other was at the beginning of March when I brought Bobby to the airport to take her flight to go to the UK and move there. Oh, so you've been apart for a long time. You must miss each other. Yes, a lot. That's why I also asked you to do this meeting in Bertha because I knew that it was very important to her.

It is important also for me, but she had a very rough time. Oh, well, we're here to cheer her up. I'm so glad you called in because not only do you have the legendary Donald Faison here, and he's always funny. You have Randall Winston, who was our line producer, but you may know him as Leonard, the security guard, and also he played Death. And, you know, we've gotten a lot of questions for Death on our Instagram pages. So finally, you can ask Death any question you have.

Oh, that's wonderful. Thank you. I also played Mushmouth from the... Yeah, you did play Mushalmouth from freaking the Fat Albert jump off. That Albert gang, yes. You had three different parts, Randall. You had that big ass helmet on your head, too. All right, so let's get into it. Go ahead, ladies. Ask a question.

I would like to start because I am in a theater company as well. So sometimes we argue about the best ways to perform. You know, when you have to feel in character and you, You have to feel what your character is feeling in order to act. So I was wondering whether sometimes you had some difficulties with that and to make a very strange scene. You couldn't really feel what JD or Turk or Beth or Leonard. Thank you for including him.

I appreciate that. Robbie, thank you for including him. It's my pleasure. So if you had to find some strange way to perform, I thought about this question when I was listening to your podcast last week. And Donald said when he had to memorize the line, you need a surgical consult. You had to make a song about it.

So my question is not about memorizing things. It's more about acting. The feeling, yeah. You know, let me. let Leonard go first. When I strapped on the arm. Here's the thing. You'll work hard.

You'll work so hard to try to feel everything. And that's what comes with being an actor. You're going to work harder than you've ever worked in your life to try to feel it. But when the camera rolls and you don't feel it, you better act the shit out of it. You know what I mean? because at the end of the day it still has to be made. So you're going to work your hardest

to try and feel the emotion and find the emotion and pinpoint what it is that you'll make notes and you'll do all of that stuff. But there comes a time when you're doing it where all of that preparation

and stuff isn't helping. You know what I mean? And so when it's not helping, it's time for you to act the shit out of it. And that's just how it goes. You know what I mean? I would say there's times when it's really just natural

and then there's times where it feels forced and you don't feel present. You can see the cameraman and you can see the crew and your stomach's growling because you're hungry and you know, you had an argument with someone and your family

and all these things that happen in any job and you're in your head and you're distracted. And the trick with acting is to always be as present as possible. The good news about acting on film and television is you really only need to do it in spurts because you're trying to shine

for your other actor but also when the camera's on, you, when it's on, when you're, no matter what the shot is, when you're doing a play, you have to maintain that for two hours and seem real. But with film and TV acting, the real challenge is to get it in spurts enough so that it will cut together and be believable. But yeah, it can be really, it can be really challenging, especially when you're, there's so much distraction, you know, there's phones ringing and there's a helicopter overhead and, and you're upset about something in your private life. You know, it's a real challenge.

to do everything you can to be present in the moment. And when you can't be present, that's what acting is. Then you fake it so you make it. Fake it till you make it. Now, Randall, when you were playing Leonard, did you, didn't Leonard have a love interest, by the way?

Oh, yes. I had to make out with her. Yes, she was a senior citizen. No, wasn't she a fellow security guard or no? No, she was, maybe she was a candy stripe or something. No, she was an intern. She was an intern. Oh, Robbie, no, she was an old intern.

I like it. Yeah, Robbie. Take me to task, Robbie. That was, I had to. Were you open mouth kissing her? That was specifically requested. Was it by her? Was it in the script?

That part's a little foggy. But, you know, I think... So to Robbie's question, how did you maintain being president in the moment when you were kissing the senior citizen? You know what, Robbie, I should have been listening. And I've been listening to her. Yeah, you were listening to her mouth. Okay, ladies, good question. Yes.

Go ahead with another one. Donald left. He was so offended by that question. He left. Okay. So my question. is we watched Scrabs a lot of time. And the first time we watched it,

we were just teenagers. And so we watched it in Italian. So I wondered, have you ever listened to yourself dubbed in other languages such as Italian or Spanish or Japanese? Yes. Yeah. I hate how they dubbed me in Spanish and Italian and stuff like that.

I never have a deep voice. I'm always like, Hey, man! And I'm not sure they're going to have a beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, I prefer you. voice. I don't talk like that. You know, what's funny is that in most countries, when you become a known actor, they pick the same actor to always do you. So if Donald's in one, if he's in Scrubs, and then he goes

off to do another film that it's not even do with Scrubs, it's usually the same actor being Donald. And I hate that, I hate that that one person is like, oh, no, was he playing in this? Oh, don't worry about it. I did him on Scrubs. I got this. So to Donald's, to Donald's dismay, that voice will always be his voice. That pisses me off, man. Yeah, I have. I've heard myself in almost so many voices, traveling around, especially when the show was on nonstop, we'd travel around the world and you'd turn on the TV and there you were speaking German.

It was very funny. I remember then there was a thing where we had Germans in the show, Herman the German, right with the balloon thing and then I remember in Germany they had to change where they were from because it made no sense that their language was different like you know so you know like think about it if the show has a character that speaking of the language

and all of a sudden the show's dubbed into that language they then have to switch that person's language so it does so it makes sense I think we made them Belgium yes I think you're right um now Randall how do you feel as being dubbed as death and Leonard as long as my

my fan base. All a dozen of them. Did you ever hear, have you ever heard yourself dubbed in other languages, Randall?

I have not. The good thing about dubbing death is that you don't see his mouth move so it doesn't look bad. Exactly. I prefer subtitles,

but they don't, they don't do that. A lot of countries just dub it. I don't prefer subtitles. I do not like subtitles. You'd rather be dubbed.

Yeah, I'm a very poor reader, so having to read subtitles and watch the screen. Does your dyslexia, I've never asked you this before, but does that make you less likely to watch subtitled films? No, you know, a good movie is a good movie no matter what, even with a learning disability. Even if it is written on the screen, my dyslexia isn't so bad that I can't keep up. Right. I just never asked you. I wondered if you said, ah, fuck, it'd be a pain the ass for me to read these subtitles or not?

No, I would prefer, though I would prefer not to read, I'd prefer to listen to a dubbed mix. Right, got it. Do you guys have another question? Oh, you're giving them three. It must be because they're separated sisters. They're separated sisters. This is the first time they've talked to each other since March.

Right. They're using us, they don't care about scrubs. They just want to, you know, get on our Zoom and talk to each other. It's like, I did a show back in a day called Free to Be a Family, and we did a space bridge to Russia. And this is like our space bridge. between the UK and Italy. Was that like free to be you and me?

Yeah, it was free to be you and me with Moro Thomas. We're going to have to send some free to be you and me songs one day. We're free to be. I can say it in Russian. Moglibe we wit. E.a, et T, e.e, I'mogli buit. We're not right. Wow.

We're free to be, you and me, you and me, we're free to be a family. I only know a little Russian from the Billy Joel Colept album when he played Russia. And he said, Menyazavut Billy Joe And the crowd went crazy I know that Because I got to rap

We're free to be You and me With the fat boys A lot of people don't remember The Fat Boys But one of them Was an amazing beatboxer And he beatboxed

While I rapped Anyway so if you guys Do you guys ever Answer any calls On the Scrubs phone That were from out of the country? No I never answered any When we did this

episode with Call Turk. It's Cal Turk. Cal Turk. We had to get a real phone line. And Bill thought it would be hilarious. I don't know if it was you or Bill, Randall, but said, you know, rather than do a 5-55 number, let's get a real number and have it all ring on a cell phone. And so the cell phone was in the Scrubs production office, and it would just ring all the

time. And when you were randomly just walking through and you had a minute to kill, you just answer it and talk to fans because it would just ring nonstop, right? Don, stop, for like five years. And we kept a map and we put pins in it, you know, every time we would get calls. Yeah, that was cool. It was all over the world. New year, new goals. And in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever. I am Matt. And I'm Joel. We are from the how to money podcast. And every week we help you to spend smarter, save more, and make sense of what's going on out there. If you want 2026 to be the year you finally feel in control of your money, we're here to give you the tools and invite. to help you make it happen. Listen to How to Money on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become

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I'm telling you. The guy was a spy. Did you know Dahl got cozy with the Roosevelt's? Played poker with Harry Truman and had a long affair with a congresswoman. And then he took his talents to Hollywood, where he worked alongside Walt Disney and Alfred Hitchcock, before writing a hit James Bond film. How did this secret agent wind up as the most successful children's author ever? And what darkness from his covert past seeped.

into the stories we read as kids. The true story is stranger than anything he ever wrote. Listen to the secret world of Roll Dahl on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, ladies, one last question. Go ahead. That's the thing. I started to watch the show as well during this quarantine because my boyfriend was

with me and he never watched Scrubs before. So I wanted to rewatch it with him. And we watched it on Amundon Prime. And I noticed the thing that you mentioned. sometimes in the podcast that they changed a few songs. Especially one, it really pissed me off. They changed it. It was the one in the second season

when JD and Elliot kiss again and they start again. And it's dreaming of you of the choral. And I was so waiting for that scene. And when it arrived, the song was a different one. So I was so pissed off. I get it. We are too.

Yeah, so I was wondering whether you have one song or two that you really, really like and you're attached to it in, you know, in one scene of scrubs. And you would really be angry if someone changed. Wow, good question. Well, you know, anytime Josh Raiden did music on the show, if that got taken off of the show, I would be very upset. one because Josh is a very close buddy of mine. And two, his songs, it seems like, were made for the episodes of Scrubs. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if Zach and Josh had a thing where Zach would be like,

yo, I need you to write a song about this. And he'd be like, I got it. No, but I mean, the example that comes to mind, the same thing with me is Robbie is Josh's song because, you know, we've told this on the podcast before. When he wrote that song Winter that played at Brenner Frascher's Character's Funeral, it was the first song he'd ever written. Like, he didn't have, everyone was like, oh, my God, this is amazing. Where's your album?

He's like, album. This is the only song ever written. So that one was particularly special to all of us because Josh was our friend. He started playing guitar late in life. He wasn't someone who played as a kid. And all of a sudden, you know, with the thanks to Bill putting it in the show, his career blew up. And he travels, you know, when the world is not under lockdown, he travels all around

the world and you guys should see him when he comes to Italy because you'll recognize a lot of his music that was in Scrubs. Another person I wanted to just mention was Colin Hay, who was really special to the show. Yes, yes. We're trying to get, Brando, I need your help, by the way. The fans are all listening. Yes.

I need to get Colin's information because we'd like to have him on for the episode he was on in season two. Okay, I can get you whatever I had is my last contact. But Colin was a real friend of the show and fun and funny and had a good sense of humor about himself. There was a song, I think it's in this season, the Christmas episode, and Donald, you are running,

and we play Ciner Man. Yeah. That song feels super powerful in the episode. And we were all disappointed when songs got changed out, particularly in those first couple seasons, because we were sort of like the bastard stepchild over there and always held to a very strict, low-budget number. We licensed a lot of songs not for,

You know, when you license the song, they have something called in perpetuity and all of the media that is now known or yet to be figured out. And you can keep the song in the show. So it's one and two, the music wasn't licensed that way. So we had to make some of those decisions about which baby to kill. Okay. Oh, but Randall, I always assumed it was that I didn't know what you're implying is that as the seasons go on, you then did start doing contracts that would cover streaming. But no one knew what streaming was at the time. Exactly.

exactly so like the first couple of seasons the first couple of seasons if the licensing has run out and they didn't renegotiate or sign on to continue the licensing the network automatically just changed the song yeah i mean i i actually had to sit with music editor and music licensing for like a week or so after the seasons were over in the summertime to figure out like what songs were oh i always wondered who was Who was putting these songs on? We talked about that on the podcast that you don't listen to, but we always wondered, what intern somewhere is choosing these, like, second best songs? It was an exercise in killing babies. Like, everything, it was great,

but they're like, you absolutely cannot have all of this, you know, what do you want to save? Right. You're not going to have sinner man forever. Wow. All right, ladies, we have to move on because death has to take is kids swimming. But thank you.

I'm sorry that you're, I feel sad that you're two sisters that are separated. That's horrible. Is there anything you want to say to each other? Yeah, is there anything you want to say to each other while everyone's listening? It's a free call.

Thank you very much. We actually rehearsed it before using Skype. Can we take a picture with you? Yes, of course. Yeah, let me just get fresh for you. Let me get fresh. Here we go. Thank you.

No doubt. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Be safe. Thank you so much. Thank you. Be safe. 1909 in the bowling alley. Two people on the left side of the screen, a spike the lens, look directly into the camera. I'm not sure. Oh, my God. The bowling alley, is that not the day when our prop man got stuck under the ball return? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. He went down to retrieve the ball. Was it a frontman? He reached in. It was proper set. Or Patrick. It might have been Patrick.

No, it wasn't Patrick. It wasn't Patrick. It was somebody who we laughed at much long before we helped him. It was a... The thing came down on him, and we thought it was hilarious. It was like a cartoon. You just saw his legs kick it around. And then suddenly somebody was like, oh, my God.

We should probably get him out of there. I remember. He wasn't with us very much longer after that either. He was not. He was not. Soon after he hid Rowdy in the ceiling. He was... Went to that guy, no, that guy went to Jimmy Kimmel.

Ah, okay. So anyway, two people at the bowling alley look right in the lens, if you're interested in your new hobby of finding people who spiked the lens. Donald, you say, my baby knows how to knock him down. That was funny. My baby does know not. That was a lot of fun. I don't remember, okay, like most episodes we've watched so far, when watching this,

I didn't remember any of it. And I thought that was the cutest thing. I thought Turk and Carla was so cute and so on point. for the joke when J.D.'s like, you know, couples go through this. This is what happens. Name show me a happy couple. And then right away you see Turk and Carla enjoying themselves. Yeah.

I think that was wonderful. And they're so sweet together. I mean, you just love them. And especially, of course, when you cut to the documentary footage thing and they're, you know, and they're being so adorable and both saying how much they love each other. No, and you're rooting for them. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. and not necessarily for Elliot and J.D. in this episode, even though it starts off where you're rooting for them, you can tell once it gets to the bad times, you're like, wow, these guys really aren't good for each other. It went sour so quick, though. Very, well, you only have a half an hour to tell the story. No, I'm saying, like, in the world of the show, they dated for, like, two weeks, and then they were like, this isn't working. I was, I think that was a decision by Bill because he wanted, you know, he didn't want to have that. protracted thing. Will they or won't they? Yeah, the will they won't they

the friends thing, you know. But then he ended up doing it anyway. Yes. Well, but that's the thing. Well, even at the end, right, but even at the end of the episode, you say, you know, the therapy, do I think it'll work? Yeah, I do. And JD's right. J.D.'s right. It does work. It just doesn't work at that moment in time. Yeah. In the long run, in the grand scheme of things, these two are meant to be together.

It's so sad, though. I was sad watching it, that the two people who love each other who can't, I'm just a sucker for unrequited love and love that cannot be. And here's two people that we want to be together, but they can't. But that's when Harry met Sally, like you said.

That's when Harry met Sally all over again. You know what I mean? Like, that's such, one of my favorite, that's, first of all, one of my favorite movies, Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan. But, That story is great, you know. It reminds me of a Fiona Apple lyric when she says,

Only kisses on the cheek from now on. And in a little while we'll only have to wave. No, no, not baby anymore. All right. If I need you, I'll just use your simple name. Keep going, finish it. Finish it. Only kisses on the cheek from now.

on and in a little while we'll only have to wave That's so fucked up. You only have to wave. Hey, how you doing? Hey. I remember breaking up with someone and then going to give them a kiss and they gave me the cheek and being like, yeah, that's probably what I should. We should probably kiss on a cheek from a while on. Yeah. And now we just wave.

The last thing I want to say is that I liked how Judy, A, her delivery and also the writing when she ends the documentary section. She says, he seems to like who I am. And I just thought that was so sweet. Like, all bullshit aside, it seems like he genuinely likes who I genuinely am. And I just thought that was really pretty. Yeah, man.

Randall, you've been a phenomenal guest. Thank you for having me. I feel like we're one step away from getting in your car with you. So we want to let you go. We should, you just promise us you'll come back and do another one. Well, you come back, Randall, I feel like you're going to be a fan favorite. I would delight in that.

Randall, do you use a washcloth in the shower? Yes. Okay. Randall's black, dude. I'm trying to tell you this. I'm trying to tell you this. All black people use washcloths. We have an honest.

How else do you get clean? Right. Randall, we love you. You can count us into our theme song. Thank you everybody for listening to Fake Doctors, Real Friends. Randall, count us in. Three, two, one. No, he doesn't listen to the positive.

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