Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - 116: My Heavy Meddle With John C. McGinley

Episode Date: May 28, 2020

On this week's episode of Scrubs, JD struggles to watch his mentor succumb to the pressures of the job. In the real world, Zach and Donald are once again joined by the great John C. McGinley. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We should start right off because I have some ideas. Go ahead, Johnny. Go ahead, Johnny. Go ahead, Johnny. Because you guys have to grind this, and I'm so excited that some things occurred to me while I was watching this thing. Go ahead. I love it when you come on. You know why? Because you come prepared. You're as prepared as Donald and I.

You're wound up. Well, I am. Look, going back and watching this, first of all, it's hard not to feel really proud of it. Yeah. And this one I thought deserved some backdrop because the one last week, 115, is a spectacular episode. Zach, you're particularly great in that episode with Sarah. And then the monologues with the shrink let the whole ensemble just shine and i busted my ass on those monologues because the writing was astonishing and you notice there's no cuts i mean we were clearly all told that they'd be winners yeah they were clearly especially since donald knew it so

we were clearly all told that there would be no cuts but what I thought was really interesting and maybe interesting for people listening is a little bit of context. And what I mean is, because in this episode, it became clear to me just how gelled the ensemble is, whether it's Kenny and Judy, you and me, Zachy, Donald and Sarah, the thing is just watertight.

And the reason is because I think now, as we discussed already, 9-11 had already occurred. We're around about the middle of December here. And so what happened in New York, which I'll circle this back, was the New York Yankees lost the World Series in seven games to the Arizona Diamondbacks. And the only reason that's relevant is because they lost, there was no ticker tape parade in New York City. So we were invited to the Thanksgiving parade in New York City. And it was the first taste of real rock star for all of us because we worked till Wednesday night till about 925.

And this was a week or two before this episode. And then we were whisked off to LAX, where we occupied the entire front of First Class. There was only one other person. There were only one other. That's right. And it was a boy band. It was like O-Town or something like that.

We shared First Class. It was the cast of Scrubs and O-Town. I remember this. It might as well have been a private plane. It wasn't, but it was first class. It wasn't coach. It was first. It wasn't business class.

It was first class, and we were going to New York to participate in the Thanksgiving Day Parade. Now, remember, there had been no mass gatherings allowed in New York since that Tuesday morning in September. There's just wasn't allowed. The Yankees were supposed to be there, but they weren't. So we fly overnight and you guys can chime in, but we fly overnight. We go, we're deposited at some chapel on the upper West side somewhere. We didn't even go to the hotel. We just, they dropped us off at the freaking parade.

Yeah. We were like lying on the the on the ground in the chapel to absolutely yeah and we got sideways on the plane yeah sideways as you do and and then we we got up and zacky i think you brought your nephew onto the float yeah i did and it was a quasi-racist kind of pocahontas float um and i think they've gotten they've gotten rid of some of those since then i think yeah but i absolutely i think ours was here's the scrubs cast and a quasi-racist uh pocahontas float on the upper west side in the staging area and who pulls up behind us but the Wiggles in the big red car? Now, I had gone to Wiggles concerts with my son every time they were in Los Angeles for the last couple of years.

I was eating, sleeping, and drinking the Wiggles. So I got off the float, and I went back to the big red car. I introduced myself to Murray and Jeff, and I introduced myself to everybody. And I became friends with the Wiggles, and I am I am to this day you hang out with the Wiggles still not really but I did a video for them and I they became my friends they're great educators my memory sorry to interrupt one second Johnny my memory is that my nephew was a very outspoken kid and not shy at all and I don't know how old he was but he was little and he had to be like nine dude no younger younger younger right he was a little kid and so al roke we're off the float at one

point and al roker is interviewing us and he goes and i'm here with the cast of scrubs and i've got johnny c mcginley donald faze and he's going around introducing the whole cast and my nephew and this is live television and my nephew goes, what about me? And Al Roker, it's awkward, and Al Roker ignores him and starts, so tell us about the show. Interrupts him again. What about me? Stop. And finally, Al feels bad enough that he's like,

oh, I'm sorry, young man. You're right, and what's your name? And then he introduces himself. But I was like, it was my first. Wasn't he throwing gang signs too? Like like wasn't jagger throwing he didn't he didn't he didn't know any like real gang signs but he had seen on tv how how rappers and whomever throw gang signs so we're on the float and he's like throwing these like almost gang signs when i when i spoke to al roker after after he cut i said how how is this for a turnout and he

said this will be the largest turnout in the history of the macy's thanksgiving day parade and i said well give me an estimate and he said there'll be about three and a half million people here and so every time we went through an intersection and i'll wrap the story up in a minute but every time we went down an intersection you could see it was a hundred to two hundred people deep at every intersection i've never seen that many people i never will in my life yeah it was that was i remember being like wow there are so many people here and we were on the float and every you're right every time we passed an intersection it looked like it went so deep into the intersection i remember thinking how are all

of these people it was like sardines too like they were packed together because nobody had been allowed nobody had been allowed to gather since that tuesday and another thing i remember is that my nephew was was on the float and he i thought oh this will be fun for him he was he was bored in 30 seconds right and i was like oh fuck i gotta take care of this kid for a whole parade yeah we had to it's all the way from uptown all the way to mason yeah and he's throwing his gang signs for a while and then he got bored of that and then there was like an upstairs in the float i don't know if it was like it was like in pocahontas's head or something well no it was a multi-tiered ship that was a boat yeah but even like in the not in the non outside area there was some spot

he found and then he went up there and he found bubble wrap and i was like okay fucking bubble wrap will entertain him for a little while then he got over the but he was stomping on the bubble wrap and i was like this i'm never having kids this is like the worst what about me my only point bringing this up and i'll circle it back that – and also remember a couple of weeks earlier, actually about a month earlier, we had been picked up for the back nine. Right. And we ran around the hospital with our huds cut off, and so that meant you had paychecks until May, the first week of May or so. Right. Because in TV, you only get paid for episodes produced.

Right. And so that meant – we could make or so because in tv you only get paid for episodes produced right and so just so you know just let's explain to people who don't know the show was um was picked up for the first 13 episodes and they kind of see how you do in the ratings and then if you do well enough in the ratings you get the rest of the order which which is in in in business talk is called the back nine meaning you get the you get nine more episodes and we had been given that news about a month earlier and we ran around the hospital like we'd won the stanley cuppers i remember i remember that yeah dude yeah and my only point in this is that between getting

picked up and now about 15 or 16 episodes into it and i can see it in this episode as we'll uh discuss but the ensemble is watertight Whether it meant going on a trip together or getting picked up, people are starting to vibe off each other and it's as clear as day when I was watching it. What Donald and Sarah are doing, as you guys know, I think the camera is an x-ray machine

and it sees through all the bullshit. And what they're doing together, there's zero bullshit. And what Zach is doing at the end uh with sarah in that in that uh on that cot there's no bullshit it's it's just tight and right and i just i'll get a chill it just it really got me so you gave me a chill too because i gotta tell you i didn't remember um in that scene with sarah what happened i didn't know if it was gonna turn romantic i didn't know if it was going to turn romantic. I didn't know if I cried. I couldn't remember. And I was actually moved by the two of us because nothing

happens. I agree. I agree. Like what happened in real life. You know, in the movies, we'd kiss. In the movies, I'd break down and cry. But in real life, two friends might just sit there in silence for a minute. And I just thought that was beautifully done. I think it's the real privilege of friendship when nothing does happen. So that I don't have to demonstrate to you anything and you don't have to demonstrate anything to me. And real friendship is when stuff is allowed. And it's a tricky verb to settle. And you guys let it settle in front of the lens. And as we'll discuss, Will McKenzie, he just let the scene play.

And the two actors, it's really lovely. And on a primetime comedy, it's spectacular. It's spectacular. Should we start the show? Yeah, we should start the show. But I think Johnny, because of that beautiful prologue, should have the honor of counting us into the song. Johnny, please. Five, six, seven, eight. I've heard some stories about a show we made

About a bunch of docs and nurses in a Canada who love to hate I said here's a story that we all should know So gather round to hear our Gather round to hear our Scrubs Rewatch Show with Zach and Donald. So I've been using this Scrubs Wiki, Johnny, that gives us... What is Scrubs? I've heard you reference it.

By the way, you guys are killing this podcast. Well, we're having a lot of fun. What is Scrubs Wiki? Scrubs Wiki is... If you just put in Scrubs Wiki into the Google machine, it brings you up this thing that I guess multiple fans or one fan has curated. It's on a website called fandom.com. I guess it's a place where fans can collect trivia and share stories.

And, you know, it's a fan site. But someone, and I'm thinking it might be one person, has put a lot of work into this. Because every episode, it has the synopsis, it has recurring themes, it has guest stars, it has the famous quotes, and it has trivia from each episode. And today, and I often reference it, and today I went to look at the trivia,

and the first line of trivia, it says, Hi, Zach! Glad you're enjoying Scrubs Wiki. Have me on the podcast? Have Joel search for my email. Wow. So I've been discovered by the curator of Scrubs Wiki as an avid fan,

but I will have Joel seek you out. And I have to tell you, you've done a fantastic job because it's very useful. I can find out all sorts of trivia, like Kelso mentions Baxter for the very first time in this episode. There's a lot of trivia in here.

There's a lot of interesting stuff. So I think, yeah, Joelle says she's going to track him down. And this fellow knows a lot about Scrubs, so I think it might be fun to have him on. We can try and stump him. Well, let me get to you early on. At a minute or two in, you and Sarah in the batting cage. You, Zach. Yeah. Why is Sarah in the batting cage, you, Zach. Yeah.

Why is JD at the batting cage? No, well, as Donald knows, no one says you don't even play sports. No one's ever said that in the history of the English language, which is great writing, and you deliver it like you really know sports. And you and Sarah in there, you redeem yourself from early on when you get bricks dropped on your head and you anticipated it you don't anticipate the beanball in this no sir and neither does sarah yeah yeah well i gotta tell you i committed yeah we did i did not flinch i was not gonna let that happen again johnny from that from that did not happen again and it and it and it's hard to you know to anticipate uh to not anticipate a softball being thrown at your head.

Well, you both did it. And as a result, it's Charlie Chaplin funny. But why is J.D. at the batting cage? He's not even with Turk. It'd be one thing if he was with Turk. Like, Turk made me come. I'm alone at the batting cages? Yeah, neither one of you play sports.

Neither one of you play baseball. Neither one of you. Not a Neither one of you play baseball. Neither one of you. Not a chance. In real life, too. I think Sarah, like in high school, Sarah was like on the shot put team. Yeah. Who's on the shot put team? I've never heard Sarah talk about a single sport.

Have you? Oh, ski. She's a good snowboarder. She's a damn good snowboarder. Yeah. Yeah. Right. She's Canadian. I think that's a rule up there. You got to be She's a good snowboarder. She's a damn good snowboarder, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's Canadian.

I think that's a rule up there. You've got to be able to ski or snowboard. But she, yeah, I just didn't understand that bit of writing. Mike Schwartz, we should say, was the writer of this episode, along with, as Johnny mentioned, Will McKenzie, who is a incredible director and directed everybody's, a lot of people's favorite episode, the musical episode. Will McKenzie is famous on set for the way he says action.

Yeah. And cut. Yeah. Do it. Do you remember? Do you remember, Johnny? Cut. No, he does cut, but he also does this.

Donald's coming into the room. That's right. He talks into it. That's right. He sums up the scene. He's like, okay, and here comes Donald, and he's mad about what Carla just did. And action.

This is and cause. I think he's directed a zillion sitcoms, too. I mean, he's a legendary TV director. He is. I think he's retired, I imagine, now. But he is just a legend. And a pretty good tennis player, apparently. Very good tennis.

Yeah, that's what I heard. That's what you heard. I heard Will can make it so you're running around while he's standing in one place. There were a lot of directors that when you showed up on set on Monday morning, you saw who it was and you just had a big old smile on your face. 100%. And Will McKenzie was always one of those guys for all of us. We just would like, he was like,

you know, he just, just felt like a grandfather, uh, figure. Cause he was an older guy, but he had so much experience and he had a big old smile on his face. And I just,

I love that guy. Also in this, in this episode, some of the, I don't know how to say this. Some of the peripheral characters, whether it's Sammy, which I'll get to in a minute, uh neil as a janitor get to really shine yeah and and the janitor and

it uh i guess i think 103 when he says girl problems uh and then you say and then cock says i'd say they're a b cup and the the button is, at least they're real. Laugh out loud. I'm stealing Zachy's laugh out loud. I did. I laughed out loud at that, man. And, you know, because it's funny because, you know, we keep fucking with Bill, Johnny, because he's hanging on by his fingernails to this old lore that the janitor barely talked to anybody in season one. old lore that the janitor barely talked to anybody in season one and and he was just still deciding by the time he started season two if he was going to make the janitor solely a figment of jd's

imagination he's not still hanging on to that he is he is yes he is and me and and every episode the janitor's talking to a different cast and donald and i donald and i joke that we're like detectives being like well how would bill possibly rationalize this one? And, uh, you know, again, Bill would say, well, he's not interacting with Johnny. See, he just, he just, if he's a, if he's a figment of JD's imagination, he hears what Cox says and just builds on it, you know? But, but also, and I'm going to keep circling back with this, you could see, and in this case, it's just a simple, clean scene. Donald and Zach at 209, when you take the phone call from your mom and you find out about Mr. Peters, you two are just, it's in carpentry, it's called tongue and groove. You guys are just effortless.

And it sets up the whole scene. There's a ton of expository stuff in it. And it's just effortless. And the scene plays and it's only because of what you guys had become in those i guess 17 or 18 weeks by then yeah i remember well i don't i don't remember any of this episode except for the handshake and i had no idea i even and when we did the handshake i had no clue what sarah and i like, I thought it was something that Sarah and I made up on set and it turned into something in the scene. But I think we made it up for the scene and it turned into something that we did on set. Yeah, we saw this handshake.

Johnny and I had to endure this handshake, get longer and longer. I think by the end of nine years, it took them an hour and a half to do the handshake. And that was just to say hello to each other. During the Vietnam War, I found out it was called a DAP. A D-A-P. Really? You would DAP somebody. But wait, now Donald, you don't remember if you guys were just fucking around and made this up and then put it in the show or it was written?

I think it came from the handshake in the show. show or it was written i think it came from the handshake in the show i think our handshake we made it up for the show and then it turned into something that we did all the time when we saw each other but that that once again is what i'm talking about it's effortless yeah it doesn't did you um complete with totally long and and then you guys throw it away and go right into the scene and that's later on I was so struck by so many of these vignettes that are completely tongue and groove I agree man and Donald

did you make that up or did Sarah contribute it's pretty great some of it I made up a lot of it I know I made up it has rhythm to it. That's why. Well, there's that. And then there's also –

Yeah, but Sarah could do all that stuff. Yeah, she could. It was also a – like what is it that – remember how we were talking about the color purple and when Celie and her sister are broken up and they're doing the – Yeah, the patty cake. The patty cake thing yeah so it also has a little bit of that in it where it's like where we slap each other's hand i don't know man all i know is yeah no that thing was made up for for this episode and then it turned into i like i like

what johnny said too that you kind of go into the celebrity thing and then you just kind of go into the scene like nothing happened it's as though you just did a high five. I thought that was good. But it's the same way. It's the same way. I feel like I'm – maybe it sounds like I'm blowing too much smoke up your guys' asses. I'll take it. We'll take it.

I'm like Donald. I don't remember any of this stuff. So then when I go back and watch it, I'm sincerely struck by different things. And in this episode, unlike the last one we watched together, I wasn't struck by as many things other than the circumstances that were occurring outside of Scrubs. In this, I was really struck by what was happening in front of the lens and what the writers did. And then at three minutes, there's this great walk and talk between Zaki and Cox. And the writers let Cox be this fierce, fierce, patient advocate. And it grounds him in a way that's just genius because it gives him license to then go do what he's about to go do, which is destroy a lab.

Now, this is the first time we really see Cox have this raw emotion, Johnny. I think that we had seen him be upset. There's the episode where he's just saying, JD, you need to have a life. I have no fucking life. But this is, you know, the first time we see how much pain this man has and how dedicated he is to his profession. So I just talk a little about that. And of course, destroying this lab. With Papert in the background. With Charles Papert. I saw him.

Charles Papert, our Steadicam operator's back, is one of the lab techs. But, I mean, do you remember that day trashing that lab? That must have been cathartic. I do. And I had been lucky enough in 1994, and lucky as in italics, to have been with Michael Caine, your actor in your lovely movie, up in Valdez, Alaska, and with Steven Seagal directing an epic movie for Warner Brothers called On Deadly Ground. Steven was the director. And I got to destroy a house, and halfway through it, I find a petrified walrus penis, which is called an Usyk.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down. You're going to not make it. You can't rush. The listeners have questions. How did you find a pet? Don't worry. We're going to get back to destroying the lab, everybody. How did you know that it was a petrified walrus penis?

I asked. There's this long phallus, and I asked the production designer. I said, what's this? And he goes, well, it's a petrified walrus penis. And I said, God almighty, just call action and get out of my eye line. If you don't think that's coming in the frame, you're out of your mind. Look out, everybody. that's coming in the frame you're out of your mind look out everybody and so i i what my takeaway from destroying a house um just destroying it uh was go slow if you destroy a house or a lab too fast the camera doesn't get it it's just like as donald definitely knows either taking or

throwing a punch in front of the lens if you go go too fast, the camera doesn't see it. And it's the same with destroying a room. You've got to go slow. And it's funny, Billy or Will ramped it up to high speed for the throw through the window. Because otherwise that stuff happens too fast and you don't get it. And I'm sure, Zach, as a a filmmaker you know it unless you cover a fight or destroying something pretty meticulously the lens misses it and so my only thought in destroying that lab was take your time yeah well when i watched that i was like how much trouble

would dr cox be in if he were to do that And how much money did he just throw out the window by doing all of that? I was thinking the same thing. I thought the same thing, too. I thought, like, do they have some system or no one's going to tell Kelso? Because, I mean, Carla implies that he freaks out at least once a year. Right. And I was like, does everyone sort of protect him? Because, you know, in the real world of a hospital,

he'd be in a phenomenal amount of trouble for this. Yeah, I couldn't. That was the first thing I thought. Then I thought when Carla said he does this once a year, I was like, holy shit. Yo, Cox is, you know, it's clear that he's in pain, but he's in like a lot of pain. And to build it up to be able to just damage thousands of dollars of equipment, you know what I mean?

You have to really be on that level of, fuck it, I don't care anymore. I just don't care anymore. But they also really need Cox. You know, Cox is— Everybody needs Cox. You're absolutely right. Whoa, look what you just said, Donald. That came out out a little different you're gonna pull over there donald you're going 55 and a 30 i'm gonna i'm gonna that's gonna be my new ringtone donald yelling everybody needs cocks

in the hospital in the hospital in the hospital and i met the character and then and then at 439 we get to see the janitor do medical jargon yeah yeah and he kills it yeah i remember you know that neil auditioned for your part you know that trivia right johnny of course but i i mean he's such a spectacular actor but i'd never seen him do. You got to remember, all medical jargon is Latin based. So when you really get into it, you're just talking Latin. And so for the janitor just to peel out some Latin crushed me. By the way, I wondered if I think that might be the only time the janitor is ever in our apartment.

I was going to ask that. We should ask Bill if he remembers putting the janitor in the apartment at any point. Okay. Donald has pulled the lever for an ask Bill, Joel. Bill, you're not going to remember. I bet the guy on Wiki Scrubs knows better than you, but we're going to ask you.

By the way, you know what we should do? We should also, Joel, that's what we should do with that guy. We should have an ask Bill button, but we should have an also ask the Scrubs Wiki guy. Oh, that's what we should do with that guy. We should have an ask Bill button, but we should have an also ask the Scrubs wiki guy. Oh, that's genius. Because he knows, he's the keeper of the trivia more than Bill. Bill's going to be like, I don't know, 5, 6, 7, 8. And

Bill has found his, what you're talking about Willis, Johnny, he's found his catchphrase. So now he just says 5, and the fans think it's hilarious. It is hilarious. He starts the theme song, andald and i have to stop the damn thing so um anyway joelle when we talk to that guy when we find him let's ask him if he can we can ask him uh scrubs trivia but for now since we only have bill bill do you think this is the only time that the janitor is ever in our

apartment even though it's a fantasy neil, I'm going by memory here, guys, but Neil Flynn was in Turk and JD's apartment when there was a fantasy about him being a doctor, and I believe he returns to try and fix their air conditioning or pipes or something in a later season. But I think he was only there twice, except once I think it was implied that he was there a third time, that he and Dr. Cox moved J.D.'s bed somewhere, and they did it together.

Thank you, Bill. And once again at 5.49, when Kenny and Kelso and Jude are together, they're butter. They're total butter. Oh, gosh, yeah. They're butter. Now, how about Judy? They're great. How about Judy?

So first, Judy, I noticed, because this is funny tracking when we shot this in 2001, that Judy says, I got to get a tape deck, which I thought was funny. And then when she brings it in, it's actually a CD player. It's just funny. Even now you think- How did you realize that? You're definitely not watching the show, dude.

That's very good because I did not pick up on that. Well, I caught her saying tape deck and then my brain went, there's no way it was cassettes. I remember it was at least CDs. And then I guess that was just still, I'm imagining in 2001,

we were still using the expression tape deck, like, oh, get a tape deck. I have a question for you on the heels of that. When Kenny says, like Motley Crue and Winger, my son's a bit of a headbanger. First of all, that crushed me. And second of all, is that the first time, first of all that crushed me and second of all is that the first time first of many when he refers to his son who turns out is just a cavalcade of eccentricity

a cavalcade of eccentricities is a great title for a screenplay but um that is funny i the scrubs wiki said it's the first time he mentions baxter i don't know if it's the first time his son comes up but this might be the first time his son comes up in terms of being a cavalcade of eccentricities his son it turns out is the single most tortured person on the planet i know and we never got to meet him and we never met his wife i think it was so much better it's so much better. It's so much better. No, it was all – remember on Cheers when you never saw – Cliff.

Cliff's family. No, I think it was Norm's wife, Vera, we never saw. Joel gave me the thumbs up. Am I right, Joel? Wow. Well played, Zach. Well played, Zach. The bartender would always alley-oop him.

See, sports reference. And then he'd have a one liner and and and dunk it if you blew the i blew the one liner because i didn't remember it uh vera does make an appearance on cheers though i guess really and then well i want to well did you go on the cheers wiki and find out that vera does make an appearance on the thanksgiving day as you guys as you guys have done so wonderfully i i do want to look at Sammy for a second, who is astonishing in this episode. This really is probably his – this probably is – I hate to say it, but probably his first – I mean, other than one-liners, this is the first episode where Sammy really shined. And even when he – and he and and jude together are

are completely money did you guys get goosebumps when they sang together yes yeah absolutely but the first time we see sammy he does this thing with his hand where he puts it way in the back of his skull donald my triceps are too big to even do this look at that sorry sorry sorry look at your fucking arms your arms man to you to you listeners out there i want you to know this guy is still fucking ripped he's got bigger biceps than than anyone i i know i think are you still doing a lot of paddle surfing yeah every day every day you paddle surf yeah and then i build the baseball field johnny johnny you are let me say something you got like that mr miyagi body where it's like you're doing you know active uh you know everything is for a purpose i'm i wrote uh i wrote uh uh uh

a board in the ocean i'm using my hands to build i thought you were saying i thought you were saying he had the body of pat morita and i was like no he does not donald no no no no no no but when sammy wax on wax off the first time we see sammy he's got that hand over his head and then the button on the scene with judy is he goes careful i've been hurt before yeah oh my god he dropped me he totally dropped me he loves me. He loves Judy. He loves Carla. He hugs him and he's like, don't let go. Well, that's later

on. And for those who don't know, asides, when you keep an aside real, it's almost impossible because if you don't do it right, you come off as a crazy person because you're talking to yourself. And Sammy does it with careful I've been hurt before and then when he and judy get back together later on he has two that are genius he says uh she knows she knows your name yeah he says to himself

and then he says don't let go and it dropped me and i can't tell you technically how hard that is. Yeah, he has one more when he's like, I love you, and she turns around and she's like, what? And he goes right back to the song. Yeah. But that song, you guys, I mean, we're jumping all over the place, but that song moment was so beautiful. And I forgot, I apologize to the universe that I forgot how pretty Judy's voice is.

Me too. Yeah. And she Me too. Yeah. And she slays. Yeah. And it's beautiful. And their harmonies. I mean, Sammy,

we knew because Sam was an amazing singer and it was an acapella group, but the two of them together, their harmonies were just, I got goosebumps all over my body. Yeah. Now let me ask you something, uh, Zeki.

Yes. And I could see you, I could see you ringing this one out as hard as you could was this billy or you on beakers beakers it's probably me you're you're ringing everything i know there's certain is there certain words they're just funny beakers i i i think uh i think it was probably not in the script because uh wouldn't probably have been funny on the page, but I was probably just riffing like words that sounded funny. And we should say it's the first appearance of Franklin played by Masi Oka.

Yeah, I was about to say Masi. Oh. Before he went on to be a time-traveling star of Heroes. Right. He was the star of the show Heroes. Yeah. Wow. And I think this was his first uh juicy gig he

recurred as franklin for a while he's very he's very good yeah he was funny hugging his hugging his favorite microscope so that you didn't destroy it and then and then at eight minutes we go to what i i referenced earlier is sarah and donald and it, it's what I started this whole thing off with, with however, this ensemble gelled, whether it was just time or traveling together and getting into it. You guys are effortless. All right,

but let's go a little bit back. Johnny, you're going too fast. First of all, Oh dear Lord, please tell me that's not a onesie. Oh God. And now Dr. Cox has, first of all, I'm wearing a onesie, which I not a onesie. Oh, God. And now, Dr. Cox says, first of all, I'm wearing a onesie,

which I love a onesie. I don't wear a onesie to bed, but man, when I have a onesie on, do I love a onesie. And I guess JD really loved one because he wears it to the bar with you, and then Cox pulls over the two ladies to flirt. Okay, before you go past what I had. Yeah, but that's at 1128. I'm at eight.

No, the onesie occurs at 706. Oh, okay. But go ahead, Donald. Minty. First of all, what were y'all drinking in your shots if that was minty? No, the toothbrush was minty. Oh, still from after you dipped it in the i don't know it doesn't track i guess you're right because the toothpaste would have been

off of it but that's it was hilarious because and then right after that yuck yuck yuck yeah you know what i was thinking of do you remember do you remember i don't know if you remember this donald but johnny you definitely remember easy rider when uh Ever Nicholson would do a shot. He would just say a random word because the shot was so bad in Easy Rider. He'd do the shot and he'd go, ah! But he would say like a random word that would like help him recover from how bad the shot was. And that's what I was thinking of when I did it. I was like, yuck!

Trying so hard to be manly in front of Cox, but I'm in a onesie with a toothbrush. I thought it was funny when you go yucky and then the writers give Cox, oh, great, I'm drinking with a Mouseketeer. Like I said, I didn't remember this episode at all. So I never knew that you guys had a wingman situation going on, the two of you. What happened? I know that one girl blows it because she's talking about her ex-boyfriend. What happened to the girl you were talking to? Well, I don't think Cox gives a flying fuck about the women. Not even.

He's just like, here. Cox is like, here. You want a reason to stay here? Talk to these girls. I'm going to go. And then JD is like, okay, now you're talking. And he tries to hit on that one woman, but she's just rambling and rambling and rambling. The hangman's noose is hilarious.

Yeah. It's kind of stolen from Airplane, though. It doesn't matter. Nobody remembers Airplane. It's absolutely hilarious. I remember Airplane, John. I know, but we're dinosaurs no but i think there's a scene a moment in airplane when someone's doing a long speech about their past and and you you you cut

back and the passenger next to him has hung himself and he's swinging anyway i i think it's really interesting after the two girls leave and jd and cox are alone i don't remember cox being that broken yeah he's that's what i was gonna say he's so broken dude he's so broken well it's like once a year he you know carla says like once a year he pretty much has a breakdown and i went back i went back as i told you guys i keep books, and it's kind of how I learned my lines. And in the margins, I wrote notes to myself. And in that, the first gig, I'll digress for a second. The first gig I got to get at NYU was to understudy John Totoro in Danny and the Deep Blue Sea over at Circle Rep, which was maybe, I lived on Sullivan Street, and Circle was on Bleecker.

So it was maybe a half a block from my house. And I understudied John and I was the assistant stage manager. So I helped call the lights and I made up the actors. But I had keys to the theater. And because it's just a two-hander, two-hander means just two actors on stage. It was June Stein and John. And John went to do Desperately Seeking Susan after about eight months. He wouldn't, he wouldn't, it's eight shows a week off Broadway, and he wouldn't go down.

It's a very violent play. And so I had the keys to the theater, so every day I would walk and do circles on the stage, because I had the keys, and I would do both actors' parts out loud a couple times a day. And this was all fear-based. You were afraid, sorry, Johnny,

you were afraid that you might have to go on, and you didn't go on. Yes, I was scared to go on you didn't want it yeah i was scared to death yeah i get it and uh john finally went to go do desperately seeking susan and which every actor in new york wanted to be in and so i got to take over for him for uh about a week and there's a line that danny has at the end of the play where he says everything hurts and i i worked backwards in that play from everything hurts and, and, and what that must mean for someone to actually say that,

that everything hurts. And I gave it to Cox in this, that when we see him, there's that long profile shot of Cox that will stays on and everything hurts. Yeah. And it resonates and it's not nothing nothing said it's underneath and Zach, he's so lovely in the scene,

but I just think the guy's broken. Yeah. Yeah. And he's so, he's so incredibly committed, uh, to this job, which is endlessly frustrating for him.

Not only what would be normal dealing with so much death and pain, but that this hospital, this, this that this hospital, this, this hospital that's, it seems is, is, is barely surviving, um,

with, with, with, with its finances. And he opens the episode walking around. And I noticed that Will made sure that the ceiling panels were all fucked up. I don't know if you noticed that, but when you,

when you're looking around me like everything is here is fucking broken. I'm so sick of it. And in the, in that very walk and talk moment, you're seeing like the ceilings all fucked up and, and he's just, just so frustrated. I imagine with trying to save lives with no, with no support, with no gear, like so many, by the way,

like so many doctors and nurses and people must be feeling now with, with the lack of, of, of PPE they had with COVID. I think it's really interesting what you were just referencing, that the writers don't even have Cox reference it as the hospital or the name of the hospital. He just calls it that place. He doesn't even want it in his mouth. And he says, I can't go back to that place. And then J.D. at least feels like, wow, I don't go back to that place yeah and then jd at least feels like wow he i don't know what to do he he broke down what are we going to do and carl was like oh no he just

does that once a year he'll be fine today and i'm like there's no way he's going to be fine and you come in like hey what it's going to be a great day i stole i stole that from a brother of my brother's uh friend chip humphrey, who lives in Atlanta now. He used to always go around and go, it's a great day. I'm like, I put that one right in my back pocket. You were so funny. All right, wait. All right, let's go to break.

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see Donald you're giving the people what they want which is the mm-hmm they asked for it so I might as well give it to them man

a lot of chatter a lot of chatter on we gotta just digress for a moment so much chatter on Instagram about the washcloth conversation well that was a conversation that was real deal holy feel man johnny did you do you use a washcloth in the shower we need to know my wife wanted to make sure that before we get into johnny using the washcloth she wanted you guys all to know

that yes you are supposed to get rid of the washcloth after you use it that one time. Right. Period. But you don't. I do. My wife wanted to. No, you don't. You don't.

Your wife was like, you better fucking tell him we changed the washcloth. There are too many fucking people listening to this podcast, Donald. You better tell him we changed the washcloth. I'm telling you right now, we changed the washcloths, baby. I told everybody. Baby, see, I told everybody, baby. It's taken care of. It's not like she listens to the show anyway.

If you want, we can have Dan go back and re-edit that sentence into the original washcloth debate. It's out there. It's out there. Jesus, that was funny. Well, I just want you to know, in that episode, we were talking about both what kind of merch we should have and the washcloth debate. And so now my whole Instagram feed was like, how about merch that says team washcloth on a washcloth? I love it. I love it.

Also, somebody said, and now look, man, if you know know me this is how i am but listen i accumulate a lot of spit in my mouth when i talk so some so sometimes i might when i'm talking right listen you asshole that's how i talk all right all right accept it i just did again. And if you got a problem with it, you can kiss my ass. All right. Which, of course, for avid listeners begs the question, which instructor did Donald have today? I know. Yes. Because he just went into aggressive guy.

You're right, Johnny. Good call. You know, when Donald. I need to protect how I sound on this thing. Everybody had a problem with me saying, you know what I mean? And now somebody's talking about the way I slurp when I'm done with my sentences. Slurp. Why do I slurp?

By the way, you know, they have those fancy spit guards for the mic. We could get you, right, Dan? You know, there's like a little circle that goes in front of the mic, so you don't have to be spitting all over it. I'm in my house. I don't need to do any of that. All right. Well, why don't you reach behind you and dab your mouth with some sweatpants.

Sweatpants are fuck you, dude. Fuck you. Fuck you. Well, anyway, it's just fun to see that so many people are engaging and we love to hear from you, especially when it's debating things. We're debating here because I love seeing people weigh engaging and we love to hear from you, especially when it's debating things we're debating here.

Because I love seeing people weigh in and be like, I'm team washcloth and I'm from the South. I was about to say, right, right. Well, a lot of white people that got on the thing were like, yo, I do use a washcloth, but I am from the South. And then some women wrote me like, Zach, you can put a loofah between your cheeks. You just have to make sure you wash it. They're washable. And I'm still not going to put a scratchy loofah between my cheeks. Johnny, are you team washcloth or team no washcloth?

It's funny. I use washcloths at hotels. But not at home? But not at home. Well, I just surf. There's a shower I put in outside the building. And I just shower out there. And so, no no there's no washcloths yeah but in hotels you use the washcloths you know why he does you know why he does because he doesn't have to worry about cleaning that fucking

poop poo stain up something that that also is a problem for me zach i have a problem with your poo stain story now why why dude they're rehashing some shit right now, no pun intended. Do you have itchy butt like all day? Hold on. Do you have itchy butt all the time? No, you still don't understand what I'm saying. There's no way, dude. I do understand what you're saying.

I don't have poo. If I were to swipe the washcloth down the outside of my balloon knot, there'd be no poo on it. But if I were to dig a quarter inch, there'd be some remnants. Why are you digging in your ass? Because that's what I feel the purpose of the washcloth is. I have a washcloth as my interface between me and my rectum, and I can dig a little.

I can be aggressive. Check my prostate while I'm in there. Do you guys not have the magic toilet seat that does the spray? Oh, I wish I had a potato. I'm going to get you one of those, Donald. Oh, it's have the magic toilet seat that does the spray? I do. Oh, I wish I had a bidet. I'm going to get you one of those, Donald. Oh, it's a seat. It's a seat you put on your toilet.

No, it's a seat. It's not even a bidet. It's the most genius thing on the planet. Yeah. We got them at the design center at some invited event that we went to. Yeah, yeah. It just blasts a little. It's like a water pick for your anus.

It's the single greatest gift on the planet. That's lovely. Donald, I'm going to get you one for Hanukkah. Can't wait. Well, what you have to get them with is you also get a contractor to extend a water outlet and electricity to it. Well, that's not coming with my Hanukkah. Well, maybe that'll be the second night.

The first night will be the water pick for your anus. Second night contractor. Could we get back to Laverne? All we're doing is... Welcome back, Johnny. Welcome back to the show, guys. Johnny, this is what happens. I know. By the way, when you're here,

I love that Johnny's already here being like, can we get back to the episode? Which is what I'm the one. I'm the one who's always saying that shit. We've tried to digress several times, and Johnny's like, but you know when... 602. I thought

in 1252, I thought Billy likes to take a swipe at Zachy every once in a while. He always has. Laverne says, you think so? With those ears? And it's a ton. Zach goes totally uncalled for.

So fucked up. I must've done something that week that he wanted to take me down a notch for. A hundred percent. I never really had my ears dissed before. I mean, obviously I have a large nose and I'm, I'm used, you know, anytime a caricature artist would draw me, it would be like 95% nose. So I'm used to that um but i i never really had my ears dissed before uh before nurse roberts went after them yeah she and she

took she took no small amount of pleasure in doing it too no um red dawn 1540 i've never seen red dawn i don't know anything about are you fucking kidding me right now you've never seen red dawn no john did you audition did you audition john millius no i wasn't i wasn't up to that speed yet well there's a part in that well you probably you're probably way too young i have no idea what wolverines means please tell us okay so uh the russians in red dawn yeah uh attack america yeah colorado the trivia our trivia friend says there's a mistake in the episode one of you guys says michigan but it's actually colorado yeah because michigan because the michigan michigan are the wolverines the college team michigan are the wolverines but it actually takes place in colorado you're right and they attack and kids students are the rebellion they

wind up being like all the adults are gathered and put into concentration camps and karen dean stanton yeah c thomas howell uh charlie sheen uh was it hold up i mean they tried to they tried to remake it and stuff like that the action is amazing who who's the the older brother oh my gosh ghost well patrick patrick is the hero. Patrick Swayze. Just so many people are in it. Right. This is the first movie that Jennifer Grey and Patrick Swayze did together. This is before Dirty Dancing. And Leah Thompson. Leah Thompson's in it also.

What a cast. A lot of people went on to do other things. Good group of young actors. Yeah. It makes me think of another, before you explain more, Taps. We were talking about Taps the other day. You guys remember that movie? A bunch of good actors.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of genius. At Valley Forge Military Academy. Yeah, and a lot of amazing actors. It was their first big thing. Sean, Tom. Yeah, Sean and Tom Cruise. Yeah.

But anyway, go back to the plot of Wolverine. So the kids fight back. So the kids and the school, that the kids, they're all like on the football team and stuff like that. And the football team of the school is called the Wolverines. And so when they're in the fight with the Russians, their victory cry is Wolverines. Their battle cry is Wolverines. Like, you know, G.I. Joe was, yo, Joe. Theirs was, Wolverines.

Okay, got it. And in the world of Scrubs, Elliot knows this movie. I don't believe it, but I believe Turk knows it. I don't believe Elliot. Well, Turk would know it, so therefore J.D. would know it. Right, but Elliot walks in like, oh, I forget the homework assignment. Let's watch Red Dawn. I'm like, come on, buddy.

I'd love to. Yeah, but it's also great. Again, you guys both throw the gesture away, and it's great when Zachy comes in and goes, yeah, Wolverines, and he just throws it away, and Sarah does too, and it's great. You know, when I was first watching this episode before I got through it, I was like,

what a dick Turk is for inviting my newly ex-girlfriend over to do a homework assignment at the fucking living room table. But he knew it had to be done. Yeah, but then he comes back. There's a great thing later on at 1045 that Donald does this great thing where Sarah goes, you and I can still hang out.

And Donald goes, no, he's my best friend. Either you fix it or, and then there's an ellipsis. And for all of us who have had divorced uh friends or or friends who have broken up it's the way donald lays it out you you can't have both it's just it's never you got to be friends with either the husband or the wife it you can't have both it doesn't work people always choose a side don't they? You have to. Yeah. Yeah, there's no in between. You can't stay in between.

You can't be like, she's my friend and you're my friend. Right. It doesn't work that way. Right, I got it. Now, what we learn is that Turk did it in order to try and get them to be friends again. Right. I think his intentions are really good. But it's so raw. I i mean it's still so new this

breakup you know it's like yeah but you guys are running to each running into each other uh elliot and jd are running into each other every day at work and there's all of this animosity towards each other it's how the show opens up i felt sad about it you know i i have to say i i guess i'm these old feelings of being so invested in these characters came up. And of we learned in the series, they, they ultimately choose each other, but, but,

uh, oh, that awkwardness of, of, of the, you know, of trying to be friends and having mutual friends and working together. I mean,

what a nightmare. Yeah. But what you just said pays off in the final, uh, before you guys go up on the roof and throw watermelons, when you guys were on that cot, you're, Zachy,

your truth is that it made you genuinely sad. And it resonates. It absolutely jumps into the lens and it resonates. And it's so lovely. There's nothing demonstrative. There's nothing

showy. It's just this guy's sad and sad sucks sometimes. I think that was easy to play because it was real. And I think I had so much love for Sarah. And I just, you know, I could just play in my heart that we weren't going to be friends anymore. And it was just easy to tap into, you know? Right. I hear you. It showed. It was very good. I hear you it showed it was very good I really you know when in the beginning of the episode when he said when JD says my teacher died I was like oh this is this is going to be the problem of the episode and then when you know Johnny when Cox goes into this rant I was like no this is the problem of the episode then how you bring it full circle it's always brought back to one right and

with our show so at the end of it all you remind him didn't you tell me about your teacher that you know just passed away how you gonna deal with that because i i i know you're trying to hide it what did you do when what did you do when you found out your teacher died oh that's right you made a joke that shit stings inside and if you hold on to it and if you don't have an outlet, you wind up doing what I did. You know what I mean? And there's not a bunch of people at this hospital that are going to protect you the way they protect me.

That's the honest to goodness truth. So get this shit out. You know what I mean? That was well said. I believe that too. I mean, I feel like I do that in life. I try and dissipate the emotion by making a joke, which is fine.

It's a coping mechanism. But then you're letting that shit fester and build up. And then Johnny and Cox is saying, look what happens if you let it build for 364 days. You fucking destroy Franklin's lab. And I wrote in my notebook because I'd had about a 20-year, ongoing 20-year art crush on a Welsh poet named Dylan Thomas. And I didn't have the spine to go down to the writer's room and ask Billy if I could put this in. But I did put it in the margins, the poem, Do Not Go Gently Into That Good Night, Rage, R rage rage against the dying of the light and that informs everything i'm telling zacky in that scene that you don't go gently into the good night rage rage rage against the dying of the light oh i gotta chill and i wanted to say it to zacky so bad but it was a little too esoteric and but it's underneath i didn't need to john because it was

underneath your whole performance it floats it it and if you can get Dylan Thomas to float something underneath what you're doing, again, you're not lying. You're telling your truth. I really like that you do that, John, putting thoughts and inspiration in the margins and letting that sort of exist underneath the scene. I think that's really a smart technique. It's completely selfish and self-serving. It helps me. I always find that if you can reduce, since we're lying in front of the lens,

everything's, most of it's a lie. In other words, I'm not Dr. Cox. I'm not the guy. I'm not Sergeant O'Neill in platoon. I'm not. I'm some guy. I'm just an Irish Jackass. If you can reduce

the frequency of the lie, whether it's Oliver putting us through two weeks of boot camp or putting Dylan Thomas underneath a particular beat, that reduces the lie. If you can reduce the lie to a certain frequency,

then the lens doesn't suffer it as a lie quite as much. And I think genuinely, this might be a non sequitur, but for me, genuinely listen. A lot of times actors will ask me for, and I'm sure you guys get this as well, young actors ask you for advice, and you try and think'm sure this, you guys get this as well. Young actors ask you for advice or, or, and you try and think of like something succinct you can say, because it's none of it's that easy. But when I do try and say the most basic thing that I've learned is genuinely

listening. If I'm, if I, the cameras on me and, and Johnny C playing Cox is saying all these things to me and I can genuinely listen, I'm not looking in my periphery at the camera, I'm not looking at the gel on the light that's about to fall, I'm not distracted by something, I'm genuinely listening, then I can't help but react naturally as a human being would. Now, that's not easy to do. I find I can only do it in spurts, which hopefully those spurts can be edited together into something good.

But that's sort of my version of what you're saying is being as present as you can and genuinely listening. Because you're telling the truth. Yeah. And then we react. I remember when I did this movie, The Last Kiss, and I had a scene with Tom Wilkinson, a wonderful actor. And it was one of those moments where this really worked for me. The cameras were kind of far back. I love that on the occasion when they can be sort of a little bit far away on longer lenses. Got me too.

And he was just on the porch and he's giving me a speech about his daughter. And I just remember being so present. I didn't see the cameras. I just saw this man talking to me and giving me advice about how to deal with my troubled relationship. And I just felt I was so in the moment that in spurts, I was able to just forget that it wasn't real. You know what I mean? No, I totally know what you mean. When I did Gee's Trippin', I got stoned with my boy Dion right before the scene. tripping, I got stoned with my boy Dion right before a scene. When I was in Homies

Pomoni. And there was a, you know, we were at a dance at a house party, and I was supposed to be dancing with this girl at the house party, and I was so stoned that I forgot we were filming the damn movie. You this is bullshit but i remembered my direction was i thought you were by the way i just want to stop for a second i thought you were kidding and it was hilarious

but you're serious you got so high you forgot you were doing a movie i forgot that we were making this is how fucking we got excited i gotta see this movie now so we're in a scene and we're you know it's a house party and we're dancing and I'm dancing with this girl. And I remembered my direction. My direction is tell her to come with you and you guys exit. So we're dancing and everything. And now I'm really fucking in it.

I'm looking around at my boys and shit. You know what I mean? I'm waving to my boy, you know what I mean, in the movie and everything like that. And I remembered, yo, oh, I'm supposed to tell her something. So I whispered in her ear like, yo, let's go to the other room. And she goes, okay, let's go. And so we're exiting. And as I'm walking out, I'm like, oh, shit, I just pulled that.

Check out what I did. You know what I mean? And I'm looking at my boys like, yeah, look what I did. You know what I mean? And I'm looking at my boys like, yeah, look how I did it. And then they said, cut. And I was like,

holy shit. No, I didn't, I didn't, but you know, I didn't go like, oh, we're making a movie,

but it was like cut. And we walked away. My boy was like, yo, it really looked like you was taken out of the other room. Oh my God. That's so funny, man. So that worked for me.

I would get hives if I ever found myself in that situation. I would worry too much. How often were you stoned while acting on Scrubs? What percentage of the time? It's not as high. We want to add it to the Scrubs wiki. It's not as high as everybody, you know, as I made it out to be. But there were times where I came to work and I was like, fuck.

Too big. I did it in the morning. By the end of the day, I'll be fine. Dude, I had a problem. You know, it'd be funny if on the Scrubs wiki with each episode, it has a little section where it says how high Donald was during the filming of this episode. And it has like a red for very. There's like a color system, like how dangerous the water is at the beach.

Those days are over, though. Those days are over. But I do remember. I remember thinking, you know, there's so many actors that are baked when they're working. And I'm sure there are. You know what I mean? over but i do remember i remember thinking you know there's so many actors that are baked when they're working and i'm sure there are there are you know what i mean but it really wasn't for me let me tell you something i'm gonna get us back on track here at 806 johnny johnny if johnny was always on the show we'd be much more on track let me tell you let me tell you something the

todd shows up in 806 hilarious and he comes up from behind the couch, and it's kind of creepy. Yeah. It's a little creepy. The things he says to her are creepy, too. It's a little creepy. I know, but I laughed out loud when he said. What? Yeah, when he goes.

So is it safe to assume, Donald, that at 856, when you do a very graceful jump up onto the nurse's station that you are not, in fact, wearing silk boxers? I am definitely not wearing silk boxers. Do you wear anything out of your scrubs? I did at the time because I was – look, man. He has to. I got a leaky O-ring, and so sometimes – Oh, yeah, a loose gasket. He's got a loose gasket sometimes

when you go to the bathroom and come back and you got a little p spot it's embarrassing so i don't think that you could i i mean i don't think that it would be appropriate for you to not have your yours what your situation contained i'm sure there were people that put on their scrubs at, as Johnny's hand goes up. Oh, really? Johnny, you free ball in your scrubs? I do. One time in the Philippines, we were shooting a flick, and during boot camp, I had to go through a river. It's called a blue.

And so we had to go through a blue and hold our weapons above our heads. And then we got out the other side. I took my fatigues off, and I had about nine leeches right near my power source. Oh, my gosh. My power source. I decided. Oh, my gosh. And then Daiwi, our commandant, told us that they like warm, wet places, like under your arms and down in your crotch.

And I haven't worn underwear since 1986 wow and that's all it took and that is all it took there's not you can't say you can't preface it with that's all that's what it took seven leeches seven leeches near my near my power source i'm not no chance lance and how do you pull them off? Can you just pull a leech off? I've never had a leech stuck to my bun. Dale came and he used like a cigarette butt and like he'd burn them and pull them at the same time. Oh, gosh.

It was very humiliating to take my, you know, to have all 24 guys looking at, you know, the Irish donkey with seven leeches. Wow. I'm not getting any leeches near my car. I guess jeans would be fine, but scrubs wouldn't work. No, gross. Oh, man, I couldn't do it with my jeans. Too much chafing. All right, should we get back to the episode, guys?

Are you boxers or tighty? I'm straight up boxers, dude. Tighty whities can't happen no more. No, I don't do tighty whities, But they're not boxers like traditional boxers. Mine are sort of like clingy, tight, soft boxers. OK. They're Stance. I highly recommend this brand, S-T-A-N-C-E.

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Send Donald an XXXL, Stance folks. I don't need an extra. My waist isn't that big, dude. Oh, quadruplex? Wow. We got to get back to Kenny and Judy because we haven't given them their due. Because the song he turns off is, in fact, the song that then Sammy and Judy sing together, acapella. Yeah, beautifully. So pretty.

So pretty. That's so tough to do also. I guess it was, you know. They must have practiced a lot. They had to have practiced that because that's so, like, even the way the cadence and everything was on fire you know what i mean that had to they had to remind everyone who's listening what the song was it was uh talk dirty to me oh talk dirty to me yeah by poison but they're not again uh gosh i'm beating a a horse here, but the two of them are they're not showing off. They're not putting it up on a bill. They're not putting it up on a billboard.

They're so great. They're so graceful. And they're not doing. Can you believe this shit? Because Sammy never does that. And Judy is the master of just navigating her way through a scene. And the two of them together are so money. And that thing is just so lovely. And then when Sammy says, I love you, I dropped. Yeah.

Yeah. He was so, so good on this episode. It really made me miss him. I had just one of those moments of going fucking hell gone too soon. This guy is so funny and so talented. And, uh,

I just wish more people got to know how talented he was i mean he was a successful working actor but uh i i you know i watch him in this and i go i just i wish everyone in the world knew how genius this guy his abilities man he just had so many great abilities you know what i mean he could make you did you no problem did you guys at the end of the show actually get to throw things off the roof yeah i don't remember i don't remember any of that because i can see that being a kind of a nightmare with 120 people in the crew it also dates to show with letterman talking about let you want to throw stuff off the roof like letterman yeah it's like letterman hasn't been on for what 10 years now, for those of you who are too young to or didn't ever watch Letterman,

he would often throw large objects off the roof of the Ed Sullivan Theater. Was this before he moved to CBS? No, I think it was a bit he did for his whole thing. I don't remember. I don't remember. But I think we did. I have a weird memory of feeling like it was kind of dangerous. It's probably something they wouldn't let us do today with all the –

No doubt. With the increase in set safety because the wall of that roof wasn't incredibly high, and we were hurling watermelons over the side. Absolutely. I don't know that that would be approved by HR at this day and age. By the way, my Bill Cosby, that made me laugh out loud. And I think it made me laugh. I think it made me laugh because of how bad my Bill Cosby is.

Yeah, it was like it was turned up to 11. It was turned up to 11. I think that's – I thought it was hilarious, Dave. It was almost like you were doing an impression of Eddie Murphy doing his impression. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now, why pudding? That was such a non sequitur. We put pudding in medical gloves? Yeah, and then toss them off the roof. Yeah, and then you went into a... Because the pudding... I wonder if that was in the script. Do you think that was in the script, or you just riffed that?

No, that was definitely in the script. If we threw pudding off the roof, they definitely put was in the script Do you think that was in the script or you just riffed that No that was definitely in the script If we threw pudding off the roof They'd definitely put it in the show I would like to talk to you I would like to talk to you About some of the things You've been doing in your show About some of the things

That you do in your show Now And then Neil at the end saying, horror. Yeah, like Apocalypse Now, right? I think that was the... I learned from Scrubs Wiki that was the first

time Neil's ever been alone in a scene. Really? Oh my goodness. Yeah. Scrubs Wiki, they really have well he gets billy billy puts him alone more and more as the well him building that squirrel thing in his garage and i think that um i think he gets more and more alone yeah and i think that um this was a shift in neil like i think he entered the world of a regular cast member around here and um there

is an episode where neil's not going to be on this show in the first season and that's how they got around him not being a regular if i'm really if i recall correctly let's ask bill we can ask bill right oh that's a good ask bill go ahead donald. Comma. If my memory serves me correctly, isn't there an episode where there's no janitor? And if so, was that related to tiptoeing around his contract because he would have had to have been a regular of some sort? Do not say 5678, Bill. Well, shut it down. Neil Flynn did not have to test for the part of the janitor, so he was not listed as a regular. I just cast him as a guest star on the pilot with the intention of putting him in every episode.

And then we did put him in every episode as a recur guy. And at the very end, I was able to convince the networks, they liked him a lot, that we needed to pay to make him a regular the second year. Originally, they only wanted him in a maximum of four episodes but i was like four you're gonna have him in like five six seven eight no no no no stop it stan turn the fuck off this fucking guy let's take a break we'll be right back after these fine words bring a little optimism into your life with the bright side a new kind of daily podcast after these fine words. podcast, The Bright Side. You guys are giving people a chance to shine a light on their lives, shine a light on a little advice that they want to share. Listen to The Bright Side on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search The Bright Side. Hey, my name's Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. I just had a great conversation with

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Joel, introduce us. It's Jeremy Lee. Nailed it. Jeremy, you got the Oprah introduction. It's a sacred rite that only some people get. Jeremy, are you in an office? I'm in my home office right now, yeah. It looks like an office building.

Okay, Oprah, can you chill for two seconds? I will do that, Zach Braff. Oh, my God. You get a car. You get a car. You get a car. Jeremy, tell us, you have a car, you get a car. Jeremy, tell us, you have a special, special day to be on the podcast because the legendary, the living legend,

Johnny C. McGinley has joined us. So do you have a question for three of the cast members of the TV show Scrubs? I do have a question. If I don't mind, just a quick background. I work with children with autism. And so we actually did research at my wonderful company, Nonprofit Autism Partnership Foundation, to research if we could change a kid with autism to like social things, not just toys or food. And so we actually stole from an episode that you guys did and got children to actually enjoy the social aspect of that instead of their favorite toy. So I guess my first question is. Wow.

Yeah. And it's published in a journal. So you can look at it. Hungry chicken. Right on. That's incredible. Good for you. So I guess my first question is who came up with the hungry chicken?

Because we use it all the time. Wow. I don't know. I think that's Bill Lawrence that came up with one of the writers, right? Am I right, guys? Oh, God. If you throw this to Billy, he's going to do a 5, 6, 7, 8. No, we got to limit him.

We got to limit him. He doesn't get too many. That is a good question. I have no idea. I think it must have been one of the writers. I don't know. Yeah, we got to throw it to Bill. I'm sorry.

So wait, just explain a little bit more um the children who have autism you say they would they would rather interact with a toy and you use this to give them a way to interact without having a toy involved people think like children with autism only like toys or only want food and they only use that to motivate them but we know we can motivate them socially too because they need to be social and it's a social disorder. So we would take the hungry chicken and we would have, do it with a friend of theirs and then see if after we did it with them, they would pick that or favorite or their favorite toy.

And so we were able to show like by really selling it and really doing a lot of hungry chicken that they would pick a social motivator instead of like food or M&Ms, which is better, healthier. That's amazing. Well, now I really wish I could take credit for inventing that because that's a very inspiring story. Wow. Do you have another question for us? Yeah, I guess I do. So you've talked a little bit about the music on the show,

and I just think the music on the show is great. And, Zach, just to say, I think the Garden State soundtrack is one of the best soundtracks ever. Thank you. It's a mixtape. Hold on. It's a mixtape. It's a mixtape I won a Grammy for.

Yeah, but you won a mixtape Grammy. You won a mixtape Grammy. Well, I didn't even know they had a mixtape Grammy, but it turns out they do. And you won that shit, big dog. I did. I did. You've held it.

I have held it. Pop it. Pop it, collar boy. I got the- Pop your motherfucking collar. I got the fucking first award in my EGOT. I didn't think it was going to be my first. I thought it might be my last.

Right. When you get the when you get the egot you already got the grammy right i thought i was gonna have to do like a book on tape jeremy do you know what he got is i of course i mean grammy oscar tony yes sir yeah yes but thank you thank you jeremy um i i donald ruined my praise from you, and I want to thank you. It was shocking to everyone involved that that soundtrack was so successful, but I really appreciate it. It really is a good soundtrack, though.

Do you guys just already have a song in mind? Do you know when that episode comes, or do you listen to a song and you know, oh, that'll be a great song to add to a soundtrack one day? I think what happens is there were some writers that were involved. There was, of course, Krista Miller, who plays Jordan and is Bill's wife. And she's very, very into it and very good at it. And Bill and then the editors. And then I think what happens is you sort of, this is the way I do it for my films as well.

You sort of build a big ass playlist of potential songs. You feel like, oh, these would be great for a montage or, or, Ooh, this is a really moving song for somewhere. You don't really know. And then when you get in the edit, you start to go, let's try that song. And then you see, and I just, I always jokingly have a goose bump detector. I, you can listen to 25 songs and they're like, okay, that's okay. And then all of a sudden you watch it and you just get goosebumps up and down your arm and you go,

okay, well that's obviously a contender. Um, and, and that's a lot of trial and error, a lot of trial and error. And, um,

these days it's even harder because so many people are doing it that when I made my film, wish I was here, we would, we would try it and we'd made my film wish i was here we would we would try it and we'd fall in love with the song and then we'd look up online it's like oh no it's been used in gray's anatomy it's been used on this it's been used in this movie it was so it it's even harder now because you got to find music that hasn't been done to death in in uh in in being used in with film wow wow i mean i think a really a really good example that is Joshie is your friend Joshie and the,

the different music he brought to the show. Zach, he was just astonishing. Yeah. Joshua Radin was a, is a, is an artist that we love a lot. And actually Johnny, I don't even know if you know this trivia, that his song winter, which is in that famous episode where we, where we lose Brendan Fraser, was the first song he'd ever written. No.

Yeah. No, yeah. Wow. Thank goodness he wasn't a one-hit wonder, dude. Well, this many years. Yeah. This many years later. I loved his cover on Alex Inc., that first episode.

Oh, of Bob Dylan. Thank you. So you're the guy that was watching Alex Inc. Thank you so much. My wife and I, who's really sad she couldn't be here, but she's actually a second-year resident. So she's off at the hospital. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Well, thank you. And thank you for being such a fan of all things Scrubs and Alex Inc. and Garden State. I really appreciate that. And all you guys. You guys are amazing. Man, you don't even know my name.

That was Jeremy! No, we were just watching Can't Hardly Wait. My wife is not from America. We were watching Can't Hardly Wait. Go on. She's never seen it. And I forgot you were in it. Oh, my gosh.

That's the best way to. That's great. That's great. It was going right. It was going right. And then you were like, but I forgot. He's like, I turned to my wife, and I was like, did you remember that Taye Diggs is in this movie? All right, Jeremy.

Give it up. Thunders applause, Dan, for Jeremy Lee. Jeremy, stay safe and keep doing the beautiful work you're doing with autistic children. And thank you so much for the kind words. Oh, thank you so much for having me here. We appreciate it. Thanks, buddy. Well, guys, I think we did it.

We've gone long. The people seem to love it. Whenever I say, I've gotten a lot of chatter on my Insta saying, stop saying you've gone too long. We don't want you guys to stop. But we want to, you know, I had a great acting teacher who used to say, give them 10 minutes less than they want. Was a great acting teacher used to say give them 10 minutes less than they want was this great acting teacher that you have ever on scrubs yes by the

way did you know that dude come on man i thought you may have forgotten with your stoner brain who did who did who was your acting teacher and who did he or she play on i had i had the privilege to work with zach's acting teacher david downs yeah david downs i worked and who did david play he played the one whose kid was uh in a coma or uh broke his uh i don't i don't remember i directed the episode what it was this wasn't the the epic heather graham one was it no it wasn't it was like he broke his son either broke his back or I forget what it was, but he asked me to be honest with him. Right. And he was like, his one line, I remember the part of the interaction we had, he said to me, do you shave your head because it's cool or because you're bald? And I go, bald.

Yeah. It was a really good episode. We'll have to figure out what it was. But yeah, David Downs was my acting teacher at Northwestern and also a beautiful actor. And so I had him do a guest star on Scrubs. I always feel like one of the great gifts of being on either a hit show or producing a movie is throwing talented friends, not just random friends, talented friends, putting them on your piece. And I did it with a half a dozen actors on Scrubs. And then if people are right, I do it all the time with the movies I'm producing too. You have some very talented friends. Yeah, you've got quite a posse of – sorry, I just don't interrupt.

Oh, I know what it was, why it was special. It was the Wizard of Oz episode. Joel is telling us in the chat. It was Mr. Bolger. And his son was brain dead. And his son was brain dead. It was season five, episode seven, if you're listening and are curious.

It was, yeah, that epic Wizard of Oz episode. But Johnny, you have a lot... Mr. Bolger would be an homage to Ray Bolger in episode but johnny you have a mr bulger would be a an homage to ray bulger in the wizard of oz yes sir it would be now johnny you have a lot of you have a lot of friends that like are almost like mentors to me like eric lasalle michael beach these are people that you've known cusack 30. Yeah. Since you like out of college or you went to college with a lot of these guys. Eric and I, Eric and I went to college together. Right.

And that's, he's my guy. Yeah. Johnny. These guys are like, these guys are like, you know, mentors to me. Like, you know, when I was a young actor, Michael Beach was one of the people when I was doing Wait and Exhale that was like, well, this is what you need to do if you want to be successful. Stop smoking that damn cigarette that you're holding on to. Like I was smoking cigarettes like I want to be a movie star, smoking a cigarette at a table read. He was like, oh, you want to be a movie star?

Put the fucking cigarette down, dude. Mike is no lie. Mike is no lie. Straight up. Straight up. Johnny, I remember I was thinking the other day, you were on a movie, a big movie, the one that took place at the motel with Cusack and All at Night. Oh, Identity. Jim Mengel directed it. Identity. And it's a really good movie. I recommend to you. I liked it a lot.

Good cast. I remember you said you want to come visit the set because the set was really cool even though it looks like it's all outside. It was all in a giant soundstage. It sure was. And it was all pissing rain the whole time. And you said you got to come see this set. It's really cool. And I was like, I can't believe I'm allowed to.

And I came to visit you one day on set and it was just so cool. I thought of that because I know a bunch of your buddies. It feels like you and your posse often cast each other in each other's films. I think if your posse's talented, I mean, there's some outliers, but then, yeah, good on you. It's going to make life easier.

I like that too. I like to use the same people over and over again. But you didn't use Donald in Garden State. Oh, Jesus. Here we go. Thank you, Johnny. Oh, God. Thank you, Johnny.

Thank you very, very much. Like Oliver Stone used John C. McGinley. So many times. So many times. That he's ever made. You would think that Zach Braff would take a hit. You know what I mean? Like, you know.

I want you to be the Johnny C. McGinley to my Oliver Stone. You say that now. But I don't think. How many movies did you do with him, John? Six. Wow. That's incredible. Incredible.

Sheesh. And there's six of the best. Yep. What about talk radio? I was thinking about you in talk radio the other day. I they're six of the best. Yep. What about talk radio? I was thinking about you in talk radio the other day. I was thinking about you in Seven. For those of you who don't remember, Johnny's in one of my favorite movies, Seven. I love that movie.

Take the shot. And then Johnny, you go, I don't know if you improv. Did you improv this when you go, somebody call somebody? I did improv that. That was incredible. He's in the chopper right when the shit goes down with the, what's in the box? What's in the box?

And then John. David gave us as much rope as we wanted to hang ourselves with. He lets the actors run, and then he'll chop it together in post. But he lets you run. There were two scenes. So you're in the chopper, but you're also in when they bum-rushed the room too, right? Yeah, when we find this. The emaciated guy.

Yeah. Oh. But I'll never forget. I remember getting goosebumps when – this was before I even knew you, Johnny, and you go, oh, my God, somebody call somebody. And I was like, that's such a good line. With the emaciated guy, David found out there was asbestos in that building, and he wasn't down with it.

So we shut down for a while and found another building, and that was a whole to-do. That was a complete clusterfuck when he found out there was asbestos in that building. You know you have budget when they're like, there's asbestos in the building? We're shutting down. I've never been on a movie that had that power but again I'm no Fincher man I love Fincher and man I love that movie that's one of my favorites

everybody shines in that movie what's in the box on that note we love you all for listening keep chatting us on insta you make us laugh and if you have a question scrubsiheart at gmail.com. Joelle will decide if your question is worthy for air.

Right, Joelle? Joelle yields all the power. Don't yell at me and Donald. We don't do anything. Joelle, a lot of people like the fact that we talk Star Wars, too. I'm just going to put it out there. Yeah. I saw that, too.

I'm getting a lot of DMs. I'm just saying. Maybe doing a Star Wars show. We might need to make that happen. There was a lot of talk about, I saw, much to my dismay, I saw someone going, I really thought Donald and Joelle's insight about Qui-Gon Jo, whatever it is, was really interesting. Shut up.

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