Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - 206: My Big Brother With Tom Cavanagh

Episode Date: July 21, 2020

In this weeks episode, JD's older brother drops by Sacred Heart and humiliates his little brother with his lack of ambition. In the real world, Tom Cavanagh joins Zach and Donald to reminisce about the good ol' days, talk tattoos, and how to convince Greg Berlanti to put the guys in the DC Universe. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, guys. What you trying to get into? What day is soon? What you trying to do? That's a ringtone right there, Bubba. That's a fire song, by the way. It is a fire song. I got to tell you, since I told our listeners about it and reminded you about it, I've been singing it nonstop.

It's like, you know how you usually get a summer hooky song in your head? My summer hooky song in my head is, what you trying to get into one day or so? That's amazing, because 20 years ago, your summer song was, turn me inside out so I can speak. Because you're everywhere to me When I close my eyes Michelle Branch knows how many shout outs she gets on this podcast Yeah, she should know because she's not alone I think Michelle Branch must be aware

How many times over the years I've spoken about her. Do you think Michelle Branch gives two shits about us? Do you think so? Yes. I think Michelle Branch likes any people that are talking about a song she wrote 20 years ago. I hear that, man. I don't know what happened to her.

She's so talented. I think she got married, had kids, joined a band. That doesn't mean she gave up her musical abilities. She didn't. She's in a band right now. It's her and another young lady, and they do music together. I don't give a fuck what they do as long as they cover everywhere to me.

They do very good. Casey put me onto them, because you know how Casey works in music sometimes. And she put me onto them and was like, yo, she's dope. She joined a band i rocked i rock out to her on my treble you know i've been thinking about putting my uh my my sort of girl pop uh workout list on the on on on the web so people do that shit yeah do that shit yeah because itunes needs that yeah people listen i can never find a workout playlist that suits my needs. Right. A lot of people clearly agree with you on rap and hip hop because if you go on like the standard playlists on iTunes or wherever,

they're all like 95% that. And like Hits 1 is all like stuff I don't listen to. Like Wu-Tang. Do you don't listen to the Wu-Tang? I don't listen to – no, I don't listen to Wu-Tang. But you know who Method Man is. Yeah, of course. He was in Garden State.

That's right. That's right. But you do know that he is in a band with about 12 people called Wu-Tang. Yes, I know what Wu-Tang Clan is, Don. Can you name four other Wu-Tang members? There's Wu. There's Tang. There's Clan.

I'm going to say some names and you're going to be like, oh, yeah, I've heard of them. Of course I have. Old Dirty Bastard. Of course, I've heard of him. He died, right? Yes, he did. Okay. The RZA.

Yeah, I've heard of him. I can picture him. The RZA. We hung out with him one night. Yeah, and you spell it R-Z-A. I know that. Yeah, we hung out at Chateau. He came through and kicked it with us that night.

We were hanging. You're not supposed to talk about Chateau. He came through and kicked it with us that night we were hanging. You're not supposed to talk about Chateau on this, actually, so let me take that back. Why? Well, you know what happens at the Chateau is supposed to stay at the Chateau, right? Yeah, you can't be dropping Chateau things. I hung out with Drake at the Chateau once. You see? Look at you, spilling the beans.

Okay, go ahead. Who else? RZA? ODB. Method Man. Method Man. Ghost Face Killer. Yeah, I've heard of him.

I can't picture his face. I can't picture his ghost face killer. You God. I don't know you God. The Jizza. I don't know the Jizza. That's the genius. Inspector Deck.

There you go. Wow, there's a big band. A lot of people in this band. A lot of people. Oh, yeah, it's a huge band. You really like their music a lot. Are you kidding me? I smoke on the mic like smoking Joe Frazier, the Hellraiser.

Raising hell with the flavor. Terrorizing jams like troops in Pakistan. Swinging through your town like your neighborhood Spider-Man. So, um, tick-tock, keep ticking. Come on now. You don't know nothing about the Wu-Tang? Okay, I have a question. Yo, M-E-T-H-O-D, man.

M-E-T-H-O-D, man. M-E-T-H-O-D, man. Hey, you, get off my cloud. You don't know me and you don't know my style. You don't know this? No, I have a question, though. When you have a big rap super group like that, are they all taking- Hey, Dirty, baby, I got your money. Don't you worry.

I said, hey. I know that song. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Before you go into another song, I got your money. Don't you worry. I said, hey. I know that song. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Wait, before you go into another song, I have a question. They all take turns. Like, I'm going to rap now. All right, now you're up. You rap now.

That kind of thing. Like, they take turns. Well, some of them have, like, a connection. So you remember Run DMC growing up, right? Yes, yes, yes, yes. The Adidas. My Adidas, right. Those two had a connection so when they

rapped they could uh when they rhymed they could bounce off of each other some people it's like you and i how we have a good uh how we have good chemistry same thing with rappers right and you look for when you're a rapper you look for that person that you have chemistry drake and future have really good chemistry together so they do a lot of records together right um and so it's the same thing you know uh in in the wu-tang because it was so big the woo is so big there are little tiny groups with inside oh there's subgroups within the woo right so ghost face and uh ghost face and rayquan the chef that's the one i forgot to mention i should have put rayquan he got the best he got's the one I forgot to mention. I should have put Raekwon. He got the best. He got probably the best.

Bill for Cuban Links is probably the best Wu-Tang record, in my opinion. It's got so many good songs on it. Anyway, Ghostface and Raekwon do very well together. And on record, they bounce off of each other very well. So they're a- Now, who's your favorite? If you had to pick one member of the Wu-Tang Clan that's like your favorite rapper in the group?

The JZA. The Genius. I like him a lot. I liked ODB a lot. I like Meth. Method Man. I like all of Wu, to be honest. Are they still like...

Ghostface got some of the best songs I've ever heard in my life. When the world's normal, do they still tour? I hope so. It's a lot of egos, man. It's a lot of them, man. How do you do that? How do you- That's like, look, the Jackson 5 couldn't stay together, and they were brothers.

How do you expect the Wu-Tang Clan to stay together? When we go on the road eventually touring this show, I feel like your ego is going to soar like an eagle out of control. It depends on if they applaud for me. You're going to have demands. You're going to have – and you're a writer. There's going to be all sorts of rules, no eye contact. It all depends on how loud they applaud for me. If they applaud for you louder than they applaud for me, I feel like I'll fall into a little, you know, I'll back into a little corner and cry like a little baby.

But if they applaud for me more than they applaud for you, you're damn right, man. I want my bust to be bigger. Yeah, we're going to measure up. We're going to have the same bust. Listen, we're going to bring Dan and Joelle, and Dan's going to bring his thunderous applause button. So we'll be able to augment.

Whatever the crowd does, we'll be able to augment. The audience, you, we'll be able to augment. The audience, you ever look at an award show, and you hear the applause on an award show, and then you look around, and no one's clapping? Yeah. Like, no one in an award show is paying attention. So there'd be like a third of them clapping. So they just augment all this thunderous applause.

Well, that's going to be what Dan is doing for us when we're on tour with this show. So before we start the show, Dan will be like, all right, so I need some thunderous applause from you guys. Okay, everybody. And now I need some laughter. Need some laughter. No, no, no, no.

And he'll get all of the tracks? No, bro. He's just going to bring it. It'll be a button here. Well, hell yeah, he's going to bring it. Dan always brings it. Yeah, Dan's going to bring it, dude. He's going to bring it?

Of course he brings it. We're going to have a sound check. I to bring it, dude. He's going to bring it? Of course he brings it. I'm talking about the laughter. I'm talking about the applause. I think we're probably going to play arenas, and we're going to need to do sound checks at these arenas. If we play arenas, imagine that. Imagine we go to

London. Yeah. And what's the big arena? The O2. The O2. And we play the O2. That would be the best day of my life. I'm going to tell you something right now. London, London. Yeah. And what's the big arena? The O2. The O2. The O2. And we play the O2. Yeah. That would be the best day of my life. I'm going to tell you something right now. London, make it happen. Listen.

Make it happen. Let's put it out there. Let's secret that shit. Listen, I'm sure we're going to be playing like 400 seat theaters. But in reality, let's secret it that we sell out the O2 arena for fake doctors, real friends. That would be the best. That would be the best night of my life. Listen, you got to put shit out there.

You got to put outrageous shit out there and make it come true. Remember I told you about the whiteboard? You get a whiteboard and you write the most outrageous shit you want to have happen in your life. And you look at it every single day. Who'd you say did that? Well, I have a lot of people in my life who told me this but the the great the anecdote i referenced on the show was uh i'm friends with john legends manager and they uh her name is ty and they went to a high school together and she said when he first started they got a big whiteboard and they were putting them out they

were like let's be outrageous like i don't know cover of time magazine like this many grammys they were like sitting there laughing about the outrageous and they were putting them out. They were like, let's be outrageous. Like, I don't know, cover of time magazine, like this many Grammys. They were like sitting there laughing about the outrageous shit they were putting on this whiteboard. And she turned to me and she said, every single thing on that whiteboard happened. And, uh, and, and she said that now I do whiteboards with all my clients and like, you know, so anyway, it's about manifesting. It's about making shit happen. I have a whiteboard in my bedroom and I some things on there are like goals I have, and some things on there are like outrageous. I mean, obviously, we're not going to sell it at OT Arena, but I'm saying you can choose. Yeah, no, put that shit on the board. It could happen.

It happened for John Legend, man. The dude's got EGOT. He got the EGOT. Let's make it happen, dude. Well, maybe we have to bring John Legend if it was like... If we opened for John Legend. Let's do it. Let's call him. John Legend, yeah, man. Listen, the guy's got an EGOT, okay? So put your EGOT on your board.

I believe in it because you look at the board every day and even in your subconscious brain, your mind is going, I'm going to find a way to work on that today. I'm going to make that call I'm afraid to make. I'm going to... For some people, it's fitness. They going to, you know, for some people, it's fitness.

They're like, you know what? I just looked at that whiteboard and I got to get on the treadmill today. I promised myself. That's what's up. You know? I like this.

I'm going to put the whiteboard in my bedroom. Get a whiteboard. I'm going to share it with Casey and I'm going to be like, baby, let's put the most outrageous things on this board.

I'm telling you, listeners, this is, you know, Brene Brown, very popular. This is our Brene Brown moment. This is our self-help motivational moment on Fake Doctors, Real Friends.

You can make anything happen. Okay, dude, I love this. I love this. I love you. I love that we did this together, the four of us and our listeners. Let's make that shit happen. Let's do it. What are you wearing?

I have a sweatshirt on today because my wife is- Oh, is that one of those Bieber things? No, it's Mickey Mouse. You know, my 40-something crisis is being managed by just getting lots of tattoos. Nice. Good for you, man. I was always afraid to get tattoos because my father hated them. And when my sister died, I got her name in Hebrew on my arm.

And my father kind of like was okay with that because it was, you know, meaningful and it was Hebrew. And then when he passed away, like I realized that so much, even though I was in my forties, I still was so nervous about what my father would think. And then I was like, all right,

it's time to fucking tattoo the shit out of myself. Right on. So you're going to have a sleeve soon. Well, I don't know about a sleeve, but where do you want your face when I get it? I was thinking my left areola. I was thinking your face for sure. I mean, your face. What if I did you on my pectoralis major and

then, listen, and then your mouth was open, but then in your mouth was my left areola. That's weird. That's weird. I prefer you just got my face on your face. Like, you took my face and tattooed it on your face. You just had a whole episode about this, no?

No, I didn't say on his whole face. Like my face on his cheek. I don't know. Wait a second. Wait a second. Joel, it doesn't qualify as blackface if I get Donald's face on my face. Joel. Just tattooed all over your face.

Can you imagine? All you can think of is him painting my face on his face. I'd do the face-off text, but like in a tattoo format. No, it would be an outline. Joelle, Joelle, it would be an outline. Joelle's like now managing all of our blackface issues. She's like, guys, sounding like that might be blackface. Hey, guys, I got the chime in here.

That sounds like it might be blackface. No, Joelle, got to chime in here. That sounds like it might be Blackface. No, Joel, it would be an outline. It wouldn't be like colored in. It would be an outline of Donald's face. Well, I would just want it on your cheek or on your forehead. You know what I mean? By the way, the guy who tattoos me told me that we were talking about all these young kids that are getting tattoos on their face and how ridiculous it is. on their face and how ridiculous it is.

And he said that he's really surprised that any of these artists are doing it because there's sort of this unwritten code amongst tattoo artists that you would never put a tattoo on a young person's face. Right. And because – for obvious reasons. And he said – and now that there's this fad of it happening, he thinks that they're all just doing it for Instagram fame because these kids are often famous people and they're doing it saying, fuck it, I'm going to get my 15 minutes of fame. But have you seen these young people that are all tattooing the shit out of their faces?

Dude, you might not be able to get the money later. You know what I mean? Get the money now if you can. That's the YOLO, man. You only live once. So you would tattoo a child's face, Donald? That's the YOLO, man. You only live once.

You know, all of these things. So you would tattoo a child's face, Donald? I'm not. First of all, I am not a tattoo artist, so I'll never have to put myself in this situation. But you just told these guys to YOLO and tattoo someone's face. I'm saying the reasoning behind it is this. Dude, do you, you don't, listen, if scrubs didn't happen, you don't know what you would have done to make ends meet if you're acting and directing stuff. You know what I mean?

You could have gone into a business that you might not be proud of. You might be an Instagram model right now with your ass in the air and a thong. I know. Talking about people and followers. I love how these girls, these Instagram influencer people, they took a little time off for COVID and the Black Lives Matter movement. And now they're all back fucking tushes in the air selling tea. On some yacht in Ibiza. Oh, my God.

YOLO. Nobody says YOLO anymore. What do they say these days? I don't know. TikTok dancing. I've been inside so long? I don't know. TikTok dancing. I've been inside so long, I have no idea what the kids are saying. Well, they're all on some old guy's yacht doing a TikTok dance. But you know what?

They must have put that shit on a whiteboard. Imagine that was on the whiteboard. Imagine that's the whiteboard. What do you want to be? That's their fucking whiteboard. I want to be on a yacht, having somebody pay for it, making that Instagram money. That's what's up.

That's what's up. There it is. Go for yours. Listen, that's what I say to everybody and anybody out there who has dreams and they want fame. As long as you don't disrespect nobody or hurt nobody, go for yours, man. Yeah, but if you can, try and go for something that contributes to society in some meaningful way.

Sure, you can find yourself later on. You got to—everybody has something to say. I miss you so much. It hurts sometimes. I miss you so much more, dude. Should we get into the show? Tom Cavanaugh's here today. I'm so excited about this.

Count us in, y'all. Five, six, seven, eight. Stories about a show we made. About a bunch of docs and nurses and a janitor who loved to hate. I said, here's a story that we all should know. So gather round to hear our, gather round to hear our Scrubs Rewatch Show with Zach and Donald. What a show. What a show we have today, Donald. It's a really good episode.

And the hilarious Tom Cavanaugh is here. We have so much to say. Let's just get in. Dan, allow him into the room. Here he comes. I haven't seen him in years. I haven't seen him in years. Tom Cavanaugh!

Thunderous applause, Dan. Thunders applause. Thunders applause. Look at how handsome he is. It's like, look at the hair growing. Look at him, man. Like, look at the mirror. That's pandemic. You got the pandemic face going on, huh? You did get more handsome with age, Tom Calvino.

And I can say that because people think we look alike. This is true. I can say likewise, my friend. Look at you guys. My goodness gracious. How are you, brother? I'm so good. So good to see your faces.

Holy Hannah. It's good to see yours too. Are you living in Canada or do you live in the U.S. still? Well, I live in New York, but I film a show in Canada. And when the pandemic hit, I stuck it up north. Hi, Joel. I'm Tom, by the way. Hi, Tom. How are you? Nice to meet you in person. I stuck it up north. Hi, Joel. I'm Tom, by the way. Hi, Tom. How are you?

Nice to meet you in person. I listen to you guys, so I sort of am familiar with the... Do you know I watch your show, right? You know I watch your show. I don't know that, but I know you have like 27 children, so I figured maybe in that demo somewhere... No, but Tom is not watching it for his kids. He's watching it for himself.

He's watching it for me. I love The Flash, dude. Are you kidding me? That's tremendous. You've got a dynamite cast. Great stories. Donald is your target demo, Tom. He watches all of this stuff. What I don't understand is.

The CW is a bunch of teenage kids and Donald. How does, how does, listen, man. Are you fine? Is this the only Wells now? Listen, man. Is this the only Wells now? Are you the only, is this, is this the only Wells now? Listen, man. Is this the only Wells now? Are you the only Wells? Is this the final Wells? Because the multiverse, the crisis happened, and everything happened.

There's only, what, like four Earths, five Earths now in the whole Arrowverse, and now Supergirl lives on Earth-1 with you guys. I don't know, man. My point is. My point is. Let the man fucking speak, dude. No, no, no. Keep going. He's all worked know, man. My point is, my point is- Let the man fucking speak, dude. No, no, no. Keep going.

He's all worked up, Tommy. I'm really excited because I really do love the show. I really do love the show. I love you and Cisco Ramon together. I love Wells and Cisco Ramon. I love the whole thing. So look, my question is,

are you the only Wells left now that you've gone off and you've become pariah and everything like that? Is this the only Wells there there is here's what's ridiculous about doing a show a superhero comic show i run into people like like you and i just i'm so inferior with my knowledge i'm like you know more you know more than me and i'm not exaggerating i'm not trying to play dumb. I'm like, I understand by listening to you that you have a better grasp of the whole thing than I do. I feel like, as you guys know when you do a long-running television show, if there needs to be another Wells, there can be another Wells.

That's what's up. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. Here's the thing. Can you explain, Donald? First of all, catch your breath. Calm down. Okay.

You're embarrassing us in front of our guests. Listen, man. This is exactly what I did to George Lucas, man. This is exactly what I did to George Lucas. By the way, when this show's over, he's going to take a nap because he's going to get woozy. He gets very amped up, and then he gets woozy. To all the fans out there who are wondering how i geek out when i when i meet or talk to people that do something that i'm like holy shit about this is it right here i can't

breathe right now i'm sweating i know i have a sweatshirt on but i'm sweating under here all right but calm down now for those of you who don't know tom is on the flash and as i understand it with these cw superhero shows you bounce around to the other shows in the same universe, right? That's correct. They're all under the Greg Berlanti umbrella, I'm guessing. Yes, the golden boy of Hollywood that used to be Bill Lawrence

is now Greg Berlanti. Right. And he has 400 shows on the air. Yeah, he's an empire. By the way, my very first job, Tom Calvin, well, first lead in the movie was Broken Hearts Club, Greg Berlanti's first movie.

Oh my goodness. That's tremendous. And we went to Northwestern together movie was broken hearts club greg berlanti's first movie that's tremendous and um and now and and and he we went to northwestern together and uh he uh now he's like has the most shows on television of anybody you and i when we were talking about doing a your podcast uh the text that came up right next to that text the last time we talked can i can i can i read a text that you as long as it's not like you up it's quite what are you wearing it's like four in the morning and i'm hammered you up no it's solid it's solid comedy it's uh you say um tell berlindia i want to do

a cameo as reverse flash's brother i say done you say totally unbilled though a surprise but i'll need special powers i say make a list power list nothing with heavy hammers that shit is boring you say laser eyes please i say those are free that sounds great i feel like it's a miss why did that never fucking happen i know i know i feel like now that i've done this and i know that don wants to be on board i feel like like now you're forcing his hand because you're putting it out to the public. And now he has to hire you. We were talking about whiteboards and manifesting your destiny onto whiteboards. This is on my whiteboard.

I'm putting it out there right now. I want to call Berlanti. And I had to call him about something else. But I want to call Berlanti and say, listen, Tom said I could be on the show. Yeah, yeah, because I have that kind of thought. Yeah, sure. I spoke to Tom Cavanaugh, and he says – And he'll be like, hang on a second, Tom.

Yeah. He's got so many shows. He's like, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. Yeah, he's like, no, I know who he is. I know who he is. Hang on a second. And then he calls to his secretary. Do we still do Flash? Yeah, okay, Tom, Tom, Tom. Yeah, he's like, no, I know who he is. I know who he is. Hang on a second. And then he calls to his secretary. Do we still do Flash?

Yeah, okay, we do. But by the way, how funny would that be if Donald and I came on? I mean, to be honest, I don't get breathless about this superhero stuff like Donald, but he really loves it. Sorry, I digress. So you should do it. The other thing you should do, Donald, you should figure out, knowing it as you do,

you should figure out what the role is that you want. Oh, I know what role I want. What do you want? Don't say mine. Don't say mine. I kind of like my job. Don't say mine. Listen, I'm going to put it out there.

Go. Who do you want to be? You guys kind of opened it up when Arrow ended, and I know I'm not sure if you guys are allowed to touch it. You kind of touch on it in Stargirl. But I think Green Lantern needs to be in this. You know what I mean? Oh, Joelle just clapped.

Joelle is a big fan of this world, too. And there are so many that are in the Lantern Corps. And also, size doesn't matter when you're a Lantern. You could be tiny. You could be wide. You could be, right. Come on, man. Anyway, my point is,

I think that's one character that would be a lot of fun to play. You know, there's so many people in the DC universe, but if I had a choice and they were willing to do it, I would love to be green lantern all right and i think that's really special and dear to greg so i think that's great you're making

this happen newsflash i have a question can the green can the green lantern be 46 he can be anything look at me look i'm playing the reverse flash. I wear a yellow super suit, and I'm 87, Zach. Sorry. Tom, for those of us who don't know, and I'm sure some of our listeners don't know, can you just explain in non-superhero terms what reverse Flash means? Is there a young guy who plays Flash? Yes, there's a good-looking – it's kind of like when we did Scrubs. Like a good-looking, handsome guy is the lead and then they cast this guy as his brother.

Bill Lawrence had lost a bet somewhere. So basically a young guy – Tom, when you insult your looks, you insult my looks. I apologize. You're right. So you're a handsome – you look like Brad Pitt to me. When you came on, I thought we got Tom Cavanaugh. Why is Brad Pitt on the podcast?

That's what you thought. Okay, sorry. What is the reverse Flash for those of us who don't know? So he's the Joker to the Batman, the Lex Luthor to the Superman. You're the bad guy. He's the bad guy. We have a young fellow, Grant Gustin, plays the Flash, and the archenemy is the reverse Flash.

He wears a red suit, and I play the archenemy, the Reverse Flash, Eobard Thawne. I wear a yellow suit, and that's kind of it. Are you doing lots of stunts and fighting? Yeah. Yeah, can you imagine? It's crazy. You know that bucket list that you have as an actor,

and you want to do this theater, you want to do this show, you want to do something like Scrubs. The whiteboard! Yeah, the whiteboard and that. We started the show, Tom, before you came on, talking about just manifesting things by putting on a whiteboard and staring at it. It was weird to be in your green room and not have the speakers going.

I'm like, I wonder what they're talking about. We were talking about you. We were talking about manifesting and then you. Well, that's exactly it. That's such a great call. This is one of those things I never would have expected to do a superhero show. And in terms of a bucket list, it's so fun.

Yeah, you guys look like you have a lot of fun on it. And it has no end in sight. You get to do comedy on your show. It has no end in sight. I mean, I just feel like Greg Berlanti keeps adding more and more to this world, right? I don't know if they're all – they all must be successful because they all keep going. I honestly don't know. I never would have thought, I think when they started a number of years ago,

they had, uh, and, uh, they'd done super, no, what was the Superman show? Smallville.

And then, um, and then they did the arrow and arrow I think did well. And then, but when we started flashing, you guys, you guys all know how it is. We started flashing.

I said to my wife, well, this will be, this will be canceled in seven. So I'll go up to Vancouver from New York and we'll shoot and then it'll get canceled. Because even at that time, I had done two shows for Greg and both of them had been canceled relatively quickly

because that's just how it goes. And so I didn't foresee it. I never expected it to go. And this thing seemed to go. And even when you say there's no end in sight, I still expect that you'll just get the call like, Hey, so we're done. That's it. For those of you not in the entertainment industry, we just,

we just never know, you know, you get, you get a show like scrubs and you're like, okay, this could go six episodes and then it goes nine years or, you know, or, or, you know, Donald's did this show and it went a season and I did a show, it went a season. You just have, every single time it's a roll of the dice, no matter how many good ingredients there are, you just never know.

Yeah, and most of the time the numbers are, it's gonna get canceled, it's not going to go. Right, especially now more than ever because there's so much content. How the hell does a something find eyeballs? You know? And you're on the classic old school true network, you know? You guys do 24 episodes a season.

Do you know what it's like to be able to do something? I remember I did a show called The X's right after Scrubs was done. Right, of course, yeah. We did 10 episodes a season. That was it. For an actor, it's like, wait, well, hold on. I want to work all year round if I possibly can. It was really weird to work 10 episodes and then have all of this time off until you came back and did another 10.

Or we would do 30, and they would just chop it up into episodes it was like you never really find you never really find a pace or a footing it's like well how well how long are we going we're only going to do 10 22 you guys seem to you know you live in canada right now yeah yeah yeah is it vancouver where you shoot? Vancouver, Canada, coniferous jewel of a city. Have you guys been? I have. I love that town too.

I think it's a beautiful city. I love it there. I was there when the sun was out and it was magnificent. Yes. And then I was told that it's not always like that. And I don't know if I would like it rainy. Yeah, it's a question of taste. Like when the sun shines, there's no finer place.

I don't mind the rain, but I think if you were somebody that didn't like rain and preferred like seasons and snow, then this city would not be for you. But it really is a coniferous jewel of a city. And are you mostly on stages and such, or do you go out and shoot on locations and stuff? It almost follows a pretty regular schedule where we do a lot of stage work early in the week

and then we do all this stunt stuff. You know, it's always, you know, so Thursday, Friday nights, we're going to start at 5 p.m. and we're going to go all night and we're going to have the guy run up a building and fight a monster and then we're going to come back and win.

So you kind of have to stay in shape for this thing. Like, you're asked to do way more than you expected to do when you started, huh? Right. It's a blessing and a curse. Because the other thing is, too, as you guys know, too, I'm older than you guys, but there's a thing where when you were a young actor, you could be vain, but you wouldn't really matter because you're probably going to look fine. And then you get a little bit older, then your coast the people you're acting with your co-actors are 28 29 you know and they are fantastic and then there's you you know and he's he looks great in the suit and then you can't really be on the donut diet while you're on the suit so

you kind of have to keep keeping in shape you know and so it's do you hang out with jesse l martin a lot jesse is a legend as you guys know coming from theater he's just he he's amazing he's got this thing sus because he's the captain you know he can he where he wear a hat and an overcoat he doesn't have to worry too much about you know like he's just like he's kind of like he runs he basically is the beating heart, you know, runs the show, the center of, you know, reason. And, you know, he's, he's got a great job and appreciates it. So Tom, when Ed, when the show Ed, I want to talk about that. When it came out, I was an unemployed actor and my mom called me very concerned that I had gotten a lead in a TV show

and not told her because she didn't understand why I was on billboards all over the country. Is that true? No, it is. No, it is. She obviously sussed that it was not me, but she was like, there

is a young man who's on every billboard in town, and he looks a lot like you. And I remember thinking, oh, yeah, mom, that's not me. I'm still trying to get some auditions going. And it was really humbling because I was like, that fucking guy who looks exactly like me has a hit show leading role on NBC. Now no one's ever going to hire me. By the way, Dax Shepard, who also looks like us, told me this. He was like, when I became famous and was all over the place, he was like, well, how is this going to fuck my career? Because I look like that guy and that guy's already working.

this gonna fuck my career because i look like that guy and that guy's already working and uh so anyway i wanted to talk to you about ed and tell us i imagine that was your big break right i mean i know you worked a bunch but that was your first your own show right i for sure i mean first off dax and you have done quite well for yourselves yeah it worked out so is ray romano guys so is ray romano yes it worked out it worked it did work out but yeah i had done i'm canadian and um i had uh i moved to new york city and i think 89 to do uh broadway i did like a decade of theater um and um i absolutely loved it absolutely 100% loved it and then i had had done a small guest spots for literally for 10 years on ABC, NBC.

Back then it was like just the four, right? And I'd done a show called Providence. And then, but I had no idea of the profile that you guys enjoyed on Scrubs because a lot of the shows that I had done when they were television shows or series, I'd done a couple of series in Canada, they were Canadian shows, and there's no cross-border pollination between the two countries.

In other words, you'll shoot a show in Canada and you'll do 10 episodes, but everybody in Canada is watching Friends. So who's watching these Canadian shows? Well, it's different in Canada. There's a federal mandate for these television shows, so they do them. And some of them are quite, quite good. And there's not a mill the way there is behind the entertainment industry in the States up in Canada. It doesn't, you know, part of the ethos of the country is like well let's not get too big for ourselves then you know and so and in the states

it's very much the opposite like let's see how we can build up and how big we can get and why that uh why that ethos is good is that you know you you if you're working as an actor you're working largely because you love it because a lot of the attention, at least back then, now it's different because everything can be found. But back then, you were doing the same stuff we would do on Scrubs, that you'd come to set and there's all the crew and there's the people and it's great and you love it, and then you leave set and it's still the exact same experience.

It's just that you're not going to radio city music hall and doing the upfronts right i mean and so but it's nice in a strange way because you understand that oh this is this is what i love to do and by the time i got ed like you know 15 years later it was i was aware enough that it was that it's still the same experience and so even though suddenly like you say there was like billboards plastered all over the place, I was readily aware that, you know, that that was all, that can get ripped away and it's semi-superficial. And so I think that was a nice little, I don't know what it would be like to have your face plastered all over the place when you're in your mid-20s. I think it would be a tough fight to kind of stay grounded.

Unfortunately, we didn't get a big billboard buy. I don't know why NBC didn't go. They certainly went all in. Whoever made the billboard decision for Ed went all in. By the time Scrubs came on, they were like, dude, remember a few years ago we shot our billboard budget on Ed. We have no billboard money for Scrubs. Yeah, I'm so sorry about that.

Because that's why you guys didn't get that big billboard. What was funny is I remember when Scrubs started, just how much of a splash it made. I'm sure you can remember, and it's not lost on you, how big a deal that was. That show was so important, it seemed, at the time. It was bizarre for us seemed at the time it was bizarre for us because also you know we compare it to now you know the amount of people watching a single TV show just doesn't happen anymore especially live really even at all but let alone live when it's airing so it was a completely

different era that's right would watch at our worst, TV shows now, if they got our worst numbers, they would be considered hit shows. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's crazy. Now wait, Tom, was Ed written for you or did you audition for him? Oh, no, no. No, no, they didn't.

No, no. Again, that was NBC. They didn't want me at all. They went through, I think think a year of casting known people and better humans. And then – Well, just so people who aren't in the entertainment industry know, they'll often try and get a known star that's right. And that doesn't always work out for whatever reasons. And then they go, okay, well, let's start to read people that aren't famous yet. And which is when,

this is how people like the two of you. Well, yeah, I mean, exactly, exactly. It's exactly how both Tom and I got our parts. Exactly. I was like the third, I think the third round or so of doing it. The only reason I had that job, I remember how generous you were at Bill's 40th. And we had the party and he was, you know, you were like, you were just so gracious about, cause you're clearly incredibly talented. And yet you had the wherewithal to say,

I owe so much to this guy. And I had the same story. There was a Rob Burnett and John Beckerman who ran the Late Show with lederman were those are the guys the only reason i got the job is those guys said this is the guy and and you know they managed to have enough stock that people would listen to them and without without somebody standing up for you sometimes you just it just doesn't you know it doesn't go your way those people are the only reason i i i got that job do you know how it doesn't go your way. Those people are the only reason I, I, I got that job.

Do you know how many odd times you auditioned? I know I auditioned once in Los Angeles and it, you know how it is when you're like, oh, that, that went well. You feel good about it. But I was also like, okay, it was pilot season and it was like one read during the day, but it felt good. And then, then they called me to, to have the sessions that they do. They have a studio session and network session. And it was very, it was like,

and this is, I hope this isn't boring. I don't mean to talk about it. But they, we went and we had to do it. It was at CBS at the time, by the way, I don't know if you guys know that show. That was CBS, not NBC. And CBS ultimately didn't think... So they got picked up by CBS and then CBS never aired the show. And then a year later, NBC picked it up, which is weird. So we said... Oh my God, that never happens. It never happens. Every time you make a pilot,

it's always such a bizarre thing, both when I've been in them or when I've directed them. They put so much money in, they put so much work in, and then a network chooses what they choose. And then the discards are like, they have like the smell of shit on them. No one will touch them. And it's like, it's like what? Someone just spent $6 million making this pilot.

You could look at it and maybe you could recast some things. You could, you could reshoot half of it, whatever. Well, why are you throwing it all away? It's so, it's always a bizarre waste of money to me. It's so true. Because there's diamonds in the rough that no one is. So this situation is very rare that then another network will go, wait, man, we'll take it. I don't know that it ever happened before with CBS, because Robert and ran the Letterman show.

It was because Letterman had such a big, he was such a big paycheck. He was such a big entity at the time. That was the only reason I think that that card, if a producer didn't have that card to say, that would probably have never happened. But when I went into to read you know ostensibly the thing was a a comedy with heart and so you know when you know you know how these it's so funny how these things change so i went in to read i was solid and funny in the room and made them laugh and then normally okay the job is yours this is at the network read but then somebody there's you know 25 people in the room

and somebody starts going, but what about this? I don't like this about him. And then that sort of, you see how that happens. And next thing you know, you had it and then you don't have it. And I remember Rob and John came out

and Rob, he had this real serious face and he's like, look, so they don't know if you can, they don't know if you can do straight drama so uh even though it was a comedic scene about a guy finding out that his wife is sleeping with a mailman and uh they're like you just need to do that scene again and throw out all the comedy and play it like you know play it like a shakespeare tragedy i was like okay oh my God. And I went in and did that, and just completely straight as possible. And they were like, oh, okay, he can do that too.

It's so amazing. You got the exact same speech I got pretty much. Really? You fucked up. Pretty much. No, they weren't saying he fucked up. Donald legit fucked up. They didn't say he fucked up.

No, I didn't fuck up. When I auditioned for Scrubs, I got real big in the audition because it was a comedic scene, and I got real big in the audition because it was a comedic scene and I got real big and animated and Bill had to come out and be like dude tone that shit down pretty much yeah because it's funny as you know like I think sometimes an executive hears another executive speaking goes I better weigh in as well you know right so suddenly they're like he's big yeah he's too big yeah he's too big suddenly it becomes his thing and you're like oh no if actors only if actors who have yet to be in one of these rooms only knew how oh my gosh the tight rope you're walking to try and get a fucking role

yeah and how it just it just falls on one person being like i don't know right what if and then all of a sudden you don't have the part anymore and you had the part for a second. Yeah. Right. I've been in a room and watched somebody destroy it, like kill it, come in and destroy it. And then someone else come in and do a really good job, but not destroy it. And I saw, well, the first person, obviously. And one person in the room was like, well, you know what? I'm not sure they actually look like the part you know what you're right they don't necessarily look like the part and all of this doubt happened and the person that crushed it did not get the role and the person that just did good

got the role because there was getting tense just listening to this it's crazy dude i was i was once working on something and this girl came in, and she was young. She was like a young Jennifer Garner type. She was really pretty. She was early 20s and super expressive and funny, and I thought that she should get the part. Another girl came in, very, very funny. Well, he could have done it too, but I preferred the first girl. I thought she was better.

One of the executives goes regarding the first girl, the young Jennifer Garner type, but she goes, she's very expressive. Should we worry about her wrinkling early? Oh, wow. Now, mind you, this is like a 20, early 20 something year old girl. And she's very pretty.

And not only is that the most ludicrous thing you can ever imagine another human being saying, but in your mind, the show is going to go so many years that her wrinkles that come from her being expressive are going to be a problem? I mean, it was the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my whole life. It's appalling.

It's appalling. The other part of it is actors can act, you know? And so I don't know how many times like you've done a thing and then like yeah the feedback is yeah we wanted it a little bigger it's like ah say that shit yeah you know say that shit why did you let me do the whole audit listen man why did you let me do the whole audition that big then if that's the case somebody in the room could have said hey you know what i love your choice you could be diplomatic about it i loved your choice listen can you tone it down a little bit this time right you know what i mean that never happens anymore dude i do remember

though back in the day when i was going out for auditions and it would be like somebody who was from the urban or from the streets and stuff like that and you'd get the can you can you spice it up a little dog oh really can you add a the, can you, can you spice it up a little? Oh, really? Can you add a little something, something? Can you, can you put a little sauce on that? No,

how would they say it? Like, what's the worst way someone would say that? Can you spice it up a little bit? Spice it up a little. And you'd be like, what? I had a producer say to me once about a,

a script. She goes, you know, she was this old lady. She goes, you know, she was this old lady. She goes, you know, you could go black with it. And I go, okay, yeah, there's no reason. She goes, you know, they're doing their thing. She did that gesture.

You guys can't see the gesture. I mean, she sort of rocked back and forth. She goes, you know, they're doing their thing. She sort of rocked back and forth. She goes, you know, they're doing their thing. Oh, my God. That was one of the most awkward things I've ever witnessed. I go, okay, so you want them to do their thing.

I got it. Oh, my God. Should we get it? We have to take a break probably. Yeah, let's take a break. And then we're going to get into the episode. All right, we'll be right back with the Tom Cavanaugh. Bring a little optimism into your life with The Bright Side,

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And we're back! Hey, so we always talk about how everybody met Bill and how you came to this show. You wound up doing the show for several seasons. Yeah, lots of episodes. You must have been one of our most recurring guest stars. I don't know that, but I can tell you I was always hugely grateful to get the call.

I sort of feel like even being on this podcast is sort of like, I've sort of like, I was telling your producers, I've sort of like glommed my way on by like you know that somehow this got put out there but i also felt that same way about scrubs like i don't really do scrubs but i sort of like piggybacked on the back of their success and i've been basically a parasite this whole time and i'm so so grateful for it because people loved you on the show tom sorry it's funny how like no no but it's funny how like when you like Ed isn't anywhere you can't find it anywhere most of this is a lot of stuff that's harder harder to find and I would say scrubs is the thing

even though you know you guys were you get all you guys did such a great job I did nothing I still get recognized all the time from I hear people all the time want to say, Hey little brother, or they remember this, they remember the bathtub episode. I remember this kind of thing. And you know, it was like 90 years ago and people are still like, it's still resonant. It's on comedy central. It's just like, it's, it's lovely to be associated with your success. Well, people really loved you on the show. They really, um, you know, when, when, when Donald and I talk about having guests on, a lot of people asked for the Tom Kavanaugh. But wait a second, sorry, go back to what Donald asked. How did you come about? How

did it come about? Did you know Bill? Or was it the obvious that people thought he's on NBC, he looks like Zach, that kind of thing? No, I think I had been friendly with Bill and we weren't we weren't friends before. We sort of became friends throughout, but we had, you know, had spoken and gotten along. And he he and his wife had always been like quite friendly and generous and stuff. And so I think it must have been him saying, oh, okay, I know Tom. I have a friendly relationship with him. And so this seems like a natural fit because of how we look. I think you run into people and you're like, I would like to work with this person again.

You know what I mean? That happens occasionally. And it almost never happens. I think all your intentions are always great. And yet you're still trying to have a job and survive. And so sometimes it's quite, quite difficult given, you know, it's very difficult to repatriate again. So I think, I think maybe we got along and then he was like, oh, this is, this could be a nice little one-off,

but then it ended up being more than that, which is tremendous. Cause you're really good on the show, man you know uh i i we talk about this all the time in remembering the shows this is one of we talk about it so much that it's become a bingo it's one of the bingo questions like somebody made a bingo uh sheet and on the bingo sheet it says they'll talk about at some point you know if they talk about uh not the show, you get a letter, right? And this is one of those moments because I really didn't remember this episode that much. The first episode I remember you on is when John Ritter passed away.

And then you, out of nowhere, was like, yo, you know what? I'll come in and I'll... Wait, was that this one? That's not this one. That's not this one at all. That was another significant one that was such a, again, you know, I think, I don't know if you had, because you're there and you have no basis of

comparison for you people, you guys were like all your, all your, all your group was such a welcoming, you know, it's, it's, it's interesting because once you go through, you know, 30 years of this stuff, it's not always, you know, it's not always a group like that. I obviously don't know all the inside stories and stuff because I would just come in and out. But being in a place where you felt welcomed and encouraged

and the idea is that you guys, I can remember laughing so hard at the stuff you guys would do that wasn't in the script, knowing that you would do this stuff verbatim as it was in the script, knowing that you would get your blows, your chances later. And I thought, this is incredible, like this environment. I remember you, Zach, doing one of, I've seen like the actor who played Ross Geller, David Schwimmer, run into a, he had an open laundry door, and he like hits his head on it and falls over.

That's one of the most solid modern-day pratfalls. And you did one into a glass door and he like hits his head on it and falls over that's one of the most solid modern day pratfalls and you did one into a glass door that was like we were just we were just watching you know we were sitting by the monitors and i was like i remember thinking this and this is like years ago i remember thinking i could watch him do this all day long every time you didn't get tired of it you kept doing it every time you did it it was like seemed like better than the last well i wanted to get it right you know i i so enjoyed doing the physical comedy and and i would get competitive just with myself wanting to be wanting to wanting to make a really good one and and uh you know that was a bit of my that was my sport if you will uh try to be good at it i

remember one time in one of the episodes you you jumped out and I just improvised, monster! Yeah, yeah. And the fun thing about the show, as you were just saying, was there was such a vibe of just safety. That is, this is a safe environment. Go nuts. Be adventurous.

Bill will tell you, obviously, do it as written, but he'll tell you you know obviously get to it as written but he'll tell you if he wants you to bring it down but i was just watching this your first episode and you were making such bold choices and being brave right so which is tricky which is tricky because you know we'd been on the show we're regulars we're there all the time we had we had kind of built up that comfortableness for a guest star to come on and be like all right i'm gonna do a bold character i'm gonna going to make bold choices. I was really impressed with you just watching it back

because it's one thing if you do it like on your fifth episode. Here you are, this is your first time on set. You're a guest star of a show that's really popular. And you came up with this character, which was nothing like your character on Ed and was just bold and funny. But it was probably a lot to do with like i say just being around a place where people were like hey have fun enjoy i i think i think it just

bears repeating that your show was such a such a place where you know you welcome people to do that very thing you're talking about i I remember also being so impressed. I'm sorry to talk on about it, but it just, it just seemed like, I remember season six coming in and doing something. And I remember thinking, I remember watching on different shows I'd done, how, you know, people buy into like, well, how, what's our place in the universe of television? Like, are we popular? Are we, you know, are we getting enough attention and um and i think you guys probably had you know the mbs why don't they promote us all that kind of stuff but but i remember coming in on season six and watching you had settled into this thing like this is us and this is for us and it was such a smart and intelligent way to understand that life is

fleeting this is fleeting and so let's just all be for this show. And when you, when you come from a different place and you come into that, it influenced me for the rest of my career to go, this is really what you want. People who are having each other's backs, who are for each other, who want to just do this scene right now as best as they can.

And what more is that? Yeah. Speaking of doing a scene really well, how fucking funny are you stealing the lab coat and going in to attend to a patient? That shit was hilarious. Yeah, Mr. Rickles. I laughed, I laughed.

All right, look, before we do that, let's... My name is Rickles. Before we do that, let's get into this recap. Oh, yeah, sorry. So, Tom, every episode, Donald will sum it up. He has 30 seconds. I timed it. Yes, I know. This is great. Okay. So, Donald,

hold on. Getting my stopwatch up. He's been crushing it lately. He's gotten a little cocky a little late. And ending early, which I don't like. I'd like you to fill your time, Donald. This might go over. Okay. On your mark, get set, go. J.D.'s brother, Dan, comes to visit.

He wrecks havoc on all of J.D.'s relationships. J.D. wishes his brother would just grow up. Turk and Cox are beefing again, this time because both have good arguments on why their departments are better at saving lives. By the act break, J.D. and Turk are ashamed. Turk of himself, J.D. of his brother. For Turk, it takes a lesson from an unexpected person By the act break, J.D. and Turk are ashamed. Turk of himself, J.D. of his brother.

For Turk, it takes a lesson from an unexpected person for him to regain faith that he's doing his job the right way. For J.D., it's him learning and understanding that not all people are built the same. Some people are content with who they are. How far did I go over? It's 36, but you had some fuck-ups, and I think the audience will forgive you. Jeez, I thought it was amazing. It's well done. It's well done.

I think when you rehearse, I don't think you rehearsed this time. Sometimes when you rehearse. No, it's freaking, we're an hour into the damn show. I expected to do this like 30 minutes ago. We didn't know that Tom Cavanaugh was going to be so interesting. Listen, I knew Tom was going to be this interesting. I thought we were going to get into the show earlier, dude. So what you're saying is that you rehearsed right before we went on the air, and now you're rusty?

And I was rusty. If you give me another chance, I bet it's better. No, I don't want to hear it again. See? Good job. You know what? We'll have Dan speed it up a little bit. No, we can't do that.

No, no, no, no. We have 36 seconds. Don't do that. Well done, though. Well done, Donald. Yes, well done. That's the episode to remind. Tom, we did this as a service to people who want a brief reminder of what the episode was.

Smart. Now, Tom comes to visit me. He's been driving a car across the country for $300, and he has no fear of Dr. Cox, which is just mind-boggling to me, and I'm squirming. I love that. I'm squirming as he meets Cox for the first time and is fucking with dr cox yo that would be the best day of my life if i went to my brother's job and he had a boss that was bullying him and i could freaking and i know that no matter what he's gonna get bullied anyway i'm gonna fuck some shit up then how about this oh word you're gonna mess with my little brother

now i'm gonna mess with you yeah you. Yeah. I would go right at it. I think I remember on the day, Tom, even being nervous in real life. Because I was so, you know, Johnny was Johnny. And we were versions of our characters. And we would just play that. Now you came in as an alpha fucking with him. And I think I recall even on the day being a little uncomfortable. I think Johnny C. didn't like it. No, I sure he did i'm sure he did because nobody in that hospital in the real

world or on or in the world of the show fucked with him right and he had gotten quite comfortable with that and now here's someone who looks just like me fucking with him yeah yeah but that was great and then so the let's talk about that rickles moment that was pretty fucking funny that shit was hilarious i love the fact that the reason why it's gonna happen is because he here's bambi and you're like all right i don't want you to call me bambi for the rest of my life i'll let you wear the lab coat wear the lab coat wear the lab coat and he walks in and he goes and you know and and and we find out just before he walks in that the guy's got to live and that the surgery was, everything was a success. And the first thing Tom says, Dan says is, it was touch and go for them.

Touch and go for them. Yeah. Yeah. And then he goes, you got to, we got to look out for those little Rickles. And he goes, my name is Rickles. He's like, the little Rickles, the kids, their future. And then I go, okay, thank you. And you go, damn it, Bambi.

Give me a second, Bambi. I'm busy. It's tough to find a good nurse these days. It's so cruel. That shot was really funny by Michael Spiller when you turn around. Yeah. I'm always a sucker for the quick turnaround. Yes, of course.

Hey, damn it, Bambi, give me a second. Yeah. No, exactly right. Bambi, I'm second yeah no exactly right i'm busy hilarious yes and now my nightmare would be my brother coming and flirting with someone that i had feelings for um and let alone also your friend i mean this is like always awkward when you have a friend that's like i don't know if this guy's ever happened to you where like you broke up with someone and then you see your friend starting to like poke around. And you're like, what the fuck? And I just felt for JD as you and Sarah are walking down the hall and flirting.

Yeah, it's cruel. It's awful. It's so fucking mean. It's awful. Yeah. By the way, it's mean on both parts. It's mean on, I mean, you guys have a brother. You guys.

Those two characters had a brother competition thing, obviously. But the fact that Elliot was so willing to just, like, dive in and be all, like, giggly, that was so cruel. Yeah, it was mean. It was like, ah, he's so funny. And he's not really that funny, but he was just being – you're like, ah, yeah, no, that's okay. You just – and then the idea that wait this is actually happening this is happening it is happening you know i love that i love the the how he realizes it's happening out of nowhere you turn day to night yeah by flicking a switch

that was great and then they start totally making out right and then and then they pop back to reality and then in reality i yell yell, stop your stupid laughing. It makes you look like a whore. Right. And then you're like, kidding. Just the worst thing you could say. And then, ha. The way I did it was like vomiting it up.

Like I couldn't hold in the rage any longer. You spewed it out. Yeah. Stop your stupid laughing. It makes you look like a whore goodness gracious sakes a great jump cut yeah yeah that must have been tricky to shoot we must have done the first part and then come back we did we did then we came back at night and sarah had this idea we were both chewing gum like spit the gum out um you know and then like you know have the all the

one two three four were you chewing gum like throughout the whole scene or would you you both you know sometimes when you're an actor you know you're going to make out with someone you want to have fresh minty breath was it was it i think she i think she no i think she added uh gum later on because there was it is one of two things one is like you kiss the person then they have the gum that you had in your mouth right not great or you know pew pew and i think she we realized we could have a we could double down on the comedy moment by spitting our gum up before the food we used to have but we used to have banaca on set uh not not just for sure i remember you guys had the you guys had the um you also had the things that melt in your mouth oh yeah yeah those give

you heartburn no i can't give me heartburn that. Both Donald and I would have too many, and they would give us heartburn. But the old school aerosol spray binocular, which is my favorite, we started having it just when we had kissing scenes, and we didn't want to have bad breath for our scene partner. But then it became like, you know, we were all friends and all up in each other's faces all day long. We were like, let's make a rule, everybody. We don't have bad breath. And so we would just be spraying it nonstop.

Dude, I remember it became, how many can you spray in your mouth? And I used to spray like 10 under the tongue just for shits and giggles. And eventually our boom operator Velcroed one to the boom. And we called it Boom Naka. Boom Naka. And we'd be like, Kevin, Boom Naka. And he would just dip the boom down. We'd pull the aerosol off the mic that was on Velcro and attach it back up.

That's grade A right there. That's some, yeah. We thought he was going to do it for like a day as a joke. It was up there for years. Same canister. Hopefully he changed it. I hope not. Changed out.

I like at 524 when Cox goes, will people please stop calling me Chief? Yes! And then Kelso walks by and goes, hey, numbnuts. Hey, numbnuts. Hey, how's it going, numbnuts? He had another one in there where it was like, I don't have time for pity or something like that. Right when he's talking to Johnny Castle. Oh, yeah.

I wrote that down too. And why does, why does, well, first of all, when you scare me in the shower, hilarious. That was the first of many scares. We did like 10. We did 10. Do you remember that? I remember waiting, waiting in the thing behind the curtain and like thinking of this, maybe this one will do this.

Like there was, we had like five or six different ones ones and i think the first one was really terrifying for you i remember that uh it's funny i just put two and two together that i guess we bought the clear shower curtain that's in the opening of the show right because wasn't there a clear shower curtain when you scare me yeah no no isn't the shower curtain that it's opaque when i come out because you don't see me and then oh right and you have it looks like it's clear i thought hold on i have i have it because you have you guys have that runner earlier on yeah so we're we're shopping for a clear shower curtain and then um where is it it is at 5 32 i'm just curious because it'd be funny if we uh we happen to uh keep the shower yeah it's clear oh goodness how, goodness. How can you not see me?

We bought it. We actually bought it. There you go. Okay. Look at that continuity. Nice. Yeah, I mean, I got air, dude. You scared the shit out of me.

And I mean, in real life, and I think the character, but I obviously had a nice juicy map behind me because I like literally flew up. Yes, yes. It's solid. And once again, Zach Braff, solid physical comedy. up. Yes. Yes. It's solid. And once again, Zach Braff, solid physical comedy. The Zach Braff special. It's good stuff.

I laughed when Laverne makes her own Halloween candy. She says she's dressed. First of all, she's dressed like Raggedy Ann. And, uh, and there's like this bowl of popcorn and homemade lollipops. And she says something like, if you want name brand stuff,

this fist is packed with nuts or something. This episode was actually written by Tim Hobart. Yes. Was he with us the first season or he came in on second season? Tim was not there first season, no, but he's a very funny writer. So this is his first big episode. This is his first episode of the season then. Yes.

And also Mike Spiller's back as our director. We like Spiller a lot. This is the first episode in which I read on Scrubs Wiki. This is the first episode that you're ever called Gandhi by Dr. Cox. That's interesting. Sarah's sister's actually one of the interns in this episode also. Yes. When Kelso's doing rounds

in the beginning sarah yes when when when kelso pulls uh he hates the the costumes and he pulls some uh cat ears off there and that's sarah's sister not not her younger sister obviously that's her older sister yeah it's her older sister and then uh i noticed that johnny castle uh playing doug he takes off the the clown nose kisses it. And I remember on the day thinking that was so random and funny, but I have no idea why he does it. It's very weird. Do you know what I'm talking about? He takes the clown nose. Kelso says, take that

fucking costume off. And he takes the nose off and he looks at it and he gives it a little kiss before he puts it in his pocket, which is so weird and amazing. I don't know why he did it, but yeah. The scene between you and Johnny C when you win the bet is like, to me that was just such classic scrubs because it's good in and of itself

where the comedy is just hilarious, especially when you're celebrating and it kind of goes on, then it goes on, then it keeps going on, which I personally, it's funny, then it's sort of maybe maybe not funny then it's really funny because you just keep doing it you do the backward one and it's just all the different beats of your comedy there it's just like i had me laughing and i'd forgotten the scene and then and then there's then there's that other level where he's like yes which is what that's what your show did so well where it's like you have the great comedy and that could just on another show that would just be enough and then it's like you have the great comedy, and that could just – on another show, that would just be enough. And then it's like there's a hammer, a gravitas that still works.

It's beautiful. It ends with you with a legit, serious moment considering this information. It's great. What's the matter, Joelle? You just look like you freaked out about something. Uh-oh. Gina Price-Greif would have heard a thing I did, and I love her. Sorry.

Okay, let's – Wait, what happened? I'm okay let's wait what happened i'm sorry wait what happened i think you're since you distracted the the show you're gonna have to share what happened uh gina price blythewood it is a amazing director she directed love basketball um and she just has a new movie out on netflix called oh my gosh the the old guard yes black lady who's been working for a very long time and And I love her. She used to write on Felicity, like season one of Felicity, she wrote,

and then she went on to do love. All right. But what happened that made your face light up? Cause I thought it was Tom's use of the word gravitas. She just acknowledged my existence. I'm so sorry. I get so excited. Oh,

well, congratulations. What did she say? What'd she like? You're one of the articles you've written or something. Yeah. I did a pod talking about the new movie and she was like, this was so excited. Oh, well, congratulations. What did she say? Was she like one of the articles you've written or something? Yeah, I did a pod talking about the new movie, and she was like, this was so great. I was like, oh, my God, you see me.

That's awesome. Oh, okay. That's always good to be seen, Mama. Don't be apologetic. No, that's great. Don't apologize. I just want the listeners to know, from my point of view, Tom said the word gravitas, and Joelle's face lit up,

and she started doing the hand thing where you might cry. And I'm like, wow, Joelle really loves the word gravitas. She had better reasons to celebrate. Joelle had better reasons to celebrate. I'm glad to hear it wasn't gravitas and rather the old guard plug. That's great.

That would be the funniest shit ever. What? She just loves the word gravitas? Whenever she hears it, she has to fan her eyes? That would be the funniest shit ever. What? She just loves the word gravitas? Whenever she hears it, she has to fan her eyes? Gra-va-tas! I love how, Donald, you're bragging about having two singles in your wallet. You say, hello, when he gives you the 20.

Hello, Mr. Jackson. Let me introduce you to the Washington Brothers. Right. Now you guys get nice and acquainted and comfy in my wallet. In my wallet. Your dancing there was so funny, man. Yes. I had a lot of fun doing that.

I'm sure I did. It's really weird how things change. Because everybody did a Michael Jackson impersonation back in the day. Everybody did it. I can't recall the last time I've seen a Michael Jackson impersonation. It's been a very, very long time. Now, if we were doing the show now, you probably wouldn't be doing so many Michael Jacksons. Now, I love a Growing Pains shout out.

For those of you who were too young to know, Growing Pains was a very popular sitcom and starring Kirk Cameron. And when we all go to lunch, I say oh no I'm trying to defend Dan oh no he he he lives with my mom but he's got his own area he's like Kirk Cameron when he's living in the garage with Boner and Kirk Cameron had a friend in the show named Boner which made no sense why was his friend named Boner everyone knows what his name his last name was Stabone Stabone and his dad's name was Sylvester but then you write you yell out to the room Boner. Everyone knows what a Boner is. His last name was Stabone. And his dad's name was Sylvester. But then you

yell out to the room, Boner? I'm like, come on. Boner? Too low-hanging fruit? Come on, Boner? You guys didn't hear what I said. His dad's name was Sylvester, and his last name's

Stabone. Sylvester Stabone? Yeah. Do you know the Growing Pains theme, Dom? Is that of Sylvester Stallone was Sylvester, and his last name's Stabone. Sylvester Stabone? Yeah. Do you know the Growing Pains theme, Dom? Is that of Sylvester Stallone, Sylvester Stabone? Do you know the Growing Pains theme, Dom? No, I get it. Okay, it just wasn't that funny, I guess. I'm sorry.

I thought it was hilarious when I first heard it. The joke is, wait a second, Boner, your dad's name is Sylvester Stabone? And then he turns back and looks at mike and goes who knew what a great joke what a great joke um please sing the theme song for us donald do you know the theme song tom you might not know this but donald can sing almost every 80s theme song if you tell me how it starts i could sing it oh that's. Show me that smile again. Show me that smile again. Okay, Zach, I got it. Don't waste another

minute on your crying and we're nowhere near the end. The best is yet to begin. Oh! Okay, we started too high. As long as we got each other. Yeah.

We got the world hanging right in our hands, baby, rain or shine. Left foot. All the time. Okay. We've got each other sharing the laughter of love. Sharing the laughter of love. I'm going to release an album Tom of Donaldson's 80s theme songs

that's the show that did every season they did a different version of that song oh really they also at some point they had a baby

and then they were like eh the baby's boring in next season she's going to be five and all of a sudden nobody else to age but the baby was all all of a sudden five they also like fostered a kid for a little bit who was young uh leonardo dicaprio oh that's right that was a young young leo's first show i believe well i don't know

if it was his first but he there's really cute um i've seen like you know when they when they do like you know uh you know remember who this little was? I've seen like his first interview. He's like, I just love being an actor and I'm just happy to be with these guys. It was really cute. And now, look at him. Donald has a little Leo crush, Tom. He comes up almost every episode. I love Leonardo DiCaprio.

Yeah. So last. One of my favorite actors of all time. One of our last episodes ended with Donald talking about trying to dock. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We'll explain later. We'll go to break.

We've got to guess. Let's go to break. We've got to go to break. We've got to guess, guys. We've got to guess. Wait, what about the – Wait, do we have to break? Did Zach just –

We should go to break, guys. I'm just saying. We should go to break. We'll be right back after Donald docks Leo. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, so what's on agains Leo What did he say? What was that now? I did not say I wanted to doc with Leo

I just thought he was a great actor We went to break We haven't gone to break yet I think we need to clarify this I don't want it out there in the ethos That I'm walking around telling people I want to doc with Leo Because that ain't what's happening here.

Okay. Okay. That ain't what's happening here. Donald does not want to dock Leo, everybody. Yes, he does. We're going to break. No, I don't. Wait, what?

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There are zillions of people that email her and try and send her payola uh and she it's all accepts all the money she accepts all the money accepts all the money send you all the sending money to joelle do it the right way yeah don't send like send send the real deal holy feel it's not her fault if you don't get picked but money does help but you know cash is a little crass. You can send fruit baskets. Cash is crass. Cash is crass.

I don't know if anyone's ever said that before. It's a good line. Cash is crass. Cash is crass. Send the woman a wine basket or some of God's lettuce. She'll take either one. O.G. Cush is preferred. O.G. Cush is preferred.

Well, who do we have today for the Tom Cavanaugh, who's America's favorite older brother? We have ER nurse Christina. Oh, hi. Christina! Hi, Christina. Hello. Where are you calling from, Christina? Houston.

Houston in the house. Christina, you're an ER nurse, we heard, so that means you're going to get Even more respect than the average caller We give our callers a lot of respect But an ER nurse gets top respect Well, thank you What's it like for you now? You guys are in Houston

It sucks What's the status? I think I had heard that Texas was Legitimately running out of ICU beds. Yeah. I mean, we tried to ship out a critical patient the other night and couldn't get a hospital that could take him in Houston. We tried to lifeline him out because we didn't have a specialist for it and could not find a hospital. It's tragic.

Oh, my God. It's tragic. My God. And people need to hear from people like you on the front lines because I think a lot of people lot of people, as we've talked about on the show, Donald and I lost a friend. And I think people like you who were on the front lines, people like us who've lost a loved one, we're seeing it. And Dan was explaining something on the show. I thought that really landed with me that unless you're on the front lines and seeing it, you can kind of live in this sort of dream world where you, you know, you're just, you know, obviously I know people are suffering, they're not working and the kids aren't in school, but it can not, it's a little bit out of sight, out of mind, whereas someone like you who's seeing this every single day, it must be just very, very traumatic for you. You also see what COVID does to people too. Right. And, and, and and and a lot of people

that's something that americans don't see we don't see the uh what's what's left of people after covid has ravaged their bodies and uh and and you know wrecked havoc or wrecked havoc on their organs and stuff so So shout out to you. It's a slap in the face when we're risking our lives and then people are on here saying it's a hoax or that it's just frustrating because we don't have any reason to lie about it. Right.

I know. By the way, we see that. By the way, we see that. I see even in our comments on Instagram. I don't know if you saw this, Donald. People were like, ugh, enough of the mask talk. You're becoming like every other show.

And I wanted to like throw my fucking phone at the wall because I was like, our friend just died. So there's going to be some COVID talk where I fucking mask. Right. But anyway, I, I, we,

we thank you for, for, I just think there's nothing more noble than, than being a nurse. And, and there's extra cherry on top for doing it in the ER because the things you must see. And I want to thank y'all real quick for the video that y'all did with Neil Patrick Harris thanking all the health care workers. It did not get enough props, but it really meant something.

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So let's switch to something more light since our main mission is to make people giggle a bit. Do you have any questions for us about scrubs or anything? It could be about the flash. I don't know. My first question is, what's the craziest thing a fan has asked y'all?

Oh, my gosh. Have you ever signed anyone and then you saw them again and they were like, I turned your signature into a tattoo? Yes, I've had that. Yeah. When people get tattoos of you, is that weird? Yeah. I was talking about this yesterday. There's some really weird tattoos of me out there.

And also, I actually like the ones. Some people have tattooed lines from Garden State that were meaningful to them, a film I wrote. So that, I think, is really cool because something I came up with was meant enough to them to, to put on their body as a, as a, as whatever, a mantra, if you will. But, but I've seen like, like the weirdest faces I've made on scrubs where I'm like, you know, like screaming out of fear, like actually in this episode with Tom, where I'm like screaming out of fear. And I've seen that on like someone's thigh.

Donald, I saw a tattoo of you as Turk that looked so nothing like you. It looked nothing like me. It looked like Charles Barkley. You're on my back and it looked like Charles. Literally now, you know, as a kid, I was a big fan of Charles Barkley, but it didn't look anything like me.

It looked literally like Charles Barkley. The weirdest thing that's ever happened to me. I get a lot of of Charles Barkley, but it didn't look anything like me. It looked literally like Charles Barkley. Right. The weirdest thing that's ever happened to me, I get a lot of people asking for it to Eagle. Yes, that happens to you a lot because they think you're very strong and they don't know. I can hold a lot of people up there. Yeah. But it happens. Donald, you do let a lot more people mount you than I would ever.

You do let a lot more people mount you than I would ever. Listen, if you are brave enough to ask me, I will most likely oblige. Now, that being said. Oh, you shouldn't say that, dude. Do you know how many people are going to ask to mount you now? He said most likely. He said most likely. Fine print.

That being said. That being said. Then the fine print, Tom, is like, you must be under a certain amount of weight before trying to mount Donald. Please ask all permission. Don't do it in front of his children or his wife will bitch slap you. Well done. The fine print truly is like, it has to be a special occasion. It can't just be out of nowhere.

Like you walk down the street and like, let's eagle. That's not going to happen. It has to be, you know. It has to be something. If I'm at a conference and it's... You know what I mean? They got to catch you when you're not woozy. Yeah. Anyway. So that's the one thing that's pretty weird is that being asked to eagle.

It's like, really want to jump on my back. You feel that comfortable right now to walk up to me and ask me to give you an ass and and ask me to give you a piggyback ride tom have you ever had a weird fan moments i bet some of your young flash fans have asked for something odd i think just what you were saying earlier i think it really tests your metal as an actor when somebody uh suddenly unveils a tattoo of you on them because you you know i think the reaction they're looking for is oh that's great wow you know but really your reaction is ah right yeah security you know and you really gotta you gotta try and cover that as best you can because they've got you know a permanent ink on their body i'm just worried they're gonna regret it i'm just worried they're

gonna regret it of course of course oh why the fuck. I'm just worried they're going to regret it. I'm just worried they're going to regret it. Of course, of course. You're like, oh, why the fuck did I get Tom Cavanaugh on my inner thigh? You naturally assume they're going to regret it. You think the next day. You don't think you're going to end up seeing it ever. But yeah, of course, it's going to be a massive regret. Well, we talked before you came on, Tom, about how I'm going to get Donald on my face.

Just my face tattooed. Joelle reminded us that I should not attempt to shade it in at all because I listened to your episode of course you guys were very good on that Joel just came on in a moment of nervousness

being like guys here's the voice here's the voice of reason please listen to the voice of reason. I assured Joelle that it would be solely an outline of his beautiful face. How many people have sent you an appletini in the bar? Oh, that's a very good question. That's happened a bunch. I gotten sent a lot of appletinis. They don't, I don't drink- You don't like appletini. Just be honest.

It's very sweet. It's sugar. I don't, I mean, I understand it if you're young or if you're out for a night and you want to have a funny cocktail. But I just think that you shouldn't get drunk on them because they are so filled with sugar. Headache galore the next day. I'm one of the owners of a restaurant in New York that I'll give a plug to now called the Mermaid Oyster Bar. Which street is the Mermaid? It's on 79 McDougall if you'd like to check it out when the world reopens but they sell do they serve oysters at this oyster yes they have the 16 different types of oysters oh wow i love that you just said do they serve oysters

at this oyster bar he was trying to he's trying to see if it was legit oh it is legit no he's being a good friend and trying to like like, tell us more about this. Oh, you probably want to know about our lobster roll, Donald. Do you have a lobster roll? Oh, we have the best lobster roll in Manhattan. I'll tell you that right now. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. 79. My point was that the owner told me that he's like, do you have any idea why people keep coming in and ordering appletinis? Oh, that's funny. And he's like, I don't know, but can you make them? He's like, no, we're not making appletinis. Tell your fans to stop ordering.

Hilarious. When we were younger, they were tasty though. I don't know. Do you like them, Christina? A little sweet for me. Do you have another question for us, Christina? So a scrubs one what is your most memorable scene that you filmed oh heavy question good question wow

well tom can go first because he's the guest he's got less to think about because he's only did no so episodes it's easy it was just uh you know i loved almost every scene we did for comedy there was one where the three of us were, um, fart buddies where we did the farts. Yeah. We were goofing around in the thing. And then we had to, we were eating breakfast and then we had to go, I had to go to the bathroom and it just became this long running. I'll be in there for one minute, two minutes, five minutes, 10 minutes,

one minute. Um, and then the other one was just the John Ritter, uh, stuff to have been like, uh, a part of that with you guys. It was meaningful, certainly. The bathtub scene? The bathtub scene was a little less fun than you might expect. At one point, John C. Reilly was like, by now you're sitting in what amounts to probably 80% of your own urine. And I think that was probably closer to the truth, so less fun. But at the same time, it's one thing that I hear a lot about the Captain Bubblebeard or whatever the heck it was called.

Anyway, you guys, that's enough. Now you've had enough time. I've stalled well enough, I feel. And now you guys have the tarmac ready to talk about your best shows. We answered something similar to this recently, but I wonder if it's the same answer for you, Donald. Go ahead. Well, the Star Wars scene.

Oh, yeah. You're right. Also, getting the opportunity to do an Indiana Jones situation in someone's colon was a lot of fun. Right. Doing the whole opening to Raiders of the Lost Ark inside of someone's colon. Yeah.

And then, to be honest with you, one of my favorite scenes is a song, but Zach and I singing Everything Comes Down to Poo still to this day is one of my, like I watch that with a smile and I can't watch a lot of the things that I do, but that's one thing that I've done where I'm like, that was,

that was fucking a great time shooting that. Yeah. One of my favorite times was repelling across the, the fake city street on the universal backlot on the episode where Donald and I go on a quest to find Molly, Heather Graham's character. And we repel across the street and then nail the wall. And I fall into a bunch of garbage.

And then I get up and she looks at me and I act like I'm surprised to see her. And I go, Molly, what are you doing here? That was just the most fun because, you know. Do you remember how you got to rappel across the rope? I pulled your shirt off of you. No, you pulled my gown off of me. I have a gown on it or it wasn't a shirt. It was a hospital gown.

Yeah. And I go, and I go, yeah, I pull it off and you gasp and then you're shirtless. And then I turn it. I turn, I turn into a thing to rappel across the street.

And then, and then I go, Molly. And she goes, what are you doing here and then all of a sudden you just see donald in the background drop down into frame naked so that was just so fun because you know we didn't always yeah as i've said before on the podcast that episode was like so epic we didn't always do episodes that were that big and there

we were like taking over the universal backlot uh to do that scene and i was directing and and uh it was just funny i remember just laughing my ass off that that night um all right well we gotta go because our show's going so incredibly long but christina thank you and from i know in all sincerity thank you so much for for what you're doing for everything for being on the front for us. Can I just get y'all to give a quick shout out to two of my best friends that are super jealous right now? Of course. Sure, absolutely. Preston and Nikki. Yo, Preston, Nikki, it's Donald

Faison, and Oh, I'm Zach Braff. And Zach Braff. Oh, and Tom Cavanaugh. Oh, sorry, and Tom Cavanaugh. Tom Kavanaugh oh sorry and Tom Kavanaugh Preston and Nikki what's happening y'all what's happening y'all

what's happening bye Preston and Nikki and bye Christina thank you so much thank you thank you Christina now listen it's not beneath us

at Scrubs to do a fart joke every now and then and in this episode but your family loves to fart the Dorians love to fart dude it's true by the way we were lucky enough to have the late and this episode. But your family loves to fart. The Dorians love to fart, dude.

It's true. By the way, we were lucky enough to have the late John Ritter do a fart joke on the show before he passed away. And now we have the great Tom Cavanaugh honoring us with a fart joke.

We sprinkle them around. That was... You sprinkle them around is a good analogy. Your reaction is tremendous. It's like is tremendous it's like it's everywhere it's a man who can't escape it's everywhere it is so horrible though when when someone um is flatulent in a car and you don't have control of the window isn't it just a horrible horrible moment of life i think an airplane is worse but yes airplane you don't know the person

is you don't know who no one takes everybody's staring straight ahead and there's that awkward moment on a plane where you're like you don't want anyone to think it's you so you have to react you have to go oh jeez i always put my t-shirt over my nose so people know like oh he's reacting it's clearly not him right it's just like when you go into the bathroom after somebody took a shit on the airplane. Yeah. And then you got to come out and face all the people. I'm sure we've talked about this before.

We have. We talked about that horrible thing. And especially when you're in the public eye, you don't want someone to be like, dude, I was on a plane and Tom Cavanaugh crushed the bathroom. And meanwhile, you're thinking like, no, mother effer, that was the guy before me. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I'd be that upset, but okay. Yeah. I have anxiety about when I go into a bathroom and it's been just rocked.

And then I come out and I'm like, I didn't do that. That was someone before me. I have an anxiety about public restrooms, period, dude. Yeah. Do you put toilet paper down on the seat? Listen, man, we could go to the movies. The whole family, back when going to the movies was a thing, we'd be at the movie theater. And the movie could be five minutes away from starting.

If I feel even the slightest bit of a bubble in my guts, we're going home. Oh, really? I'm not shitting at a movie theater. Your poor kids, what do they do? They cry on the way home. oh really i'm not shitting at a movie theater poor kids what do they do they they could cry on the way home you brought your kids home because you had to poop listen we i remember i remember one time going to a club and getting to the club and being at the club and uh you know about to dance and it was lit that night and feeling a bubble in my guts and being like, you know what? I'm going home.

Oh. At restaurants. So you never poo in public. You never poo in public. I try my hardest not to poo in public. I have a phobia of it. It's, I don't know, man. Do you keep your outings to a concentric circle where you can make the getaway if you have to?

No. There's been times where I was like, yo, I got to do something. We got to do something. Do you have friends? It's been times where i was like yo we i gotta do something we gotta do something do you have friends it's just something about a public a public restroom is yeah i used to have that for some reason i can't do it when i was a kid i had it i got over it but one thing i can't do is if if it were in the men's room and there's and there's a line of stalls i cannot poo if someone else is is is in the stall I have to wait until the stalls are empty. You don't want them to hear you. I just can't sit next to that, but also I can't sit next to the person and they're like farting

and you hear them like, I can't, it's too uncomfortable for me. What are they doing? They're pushing hard you gotta hand it to them for their effort you know we really they really have to go you know i don't want to be that guy man i've been i've been in the bathroom where another man did that and i was a kid i was very young and it was me and we were doing a commercial it was a basketball commercial what yeah it was a basketball commercial i'm very young and it was me and we were doing a commercial. It was a basketball commercial. What? Yeah, it was a basketball commercial.

I'm already jealous. I know. We should talk about basketball. You have to come back on because we need to talk about our NBA Entertainment League days and all that stuff, Tom. We have a lot of good stories. Tom, since you're such a fan. Awesome. Joel, you heard this, Dan. You heard this, right?

I was invited. That's what those daily texts are going to be. Now, now, now. You already come back. You heard this, Dan. You heard this, right? So I was invited. So that's what those daily texts are going to be. Now, now, now, now, now. But we were filming a basketball commercial, and I was very young. But I wasn't young enough where my parents had to be there. But there was one kid who was very young, and his dad had to be there. And his dad would play basketball. We were all doing the commercial so we were all playing like full courts on other basketball courts and we would play with his dad too and we i remember going to the bathroom me and a bunch of other dudes we were

going to take a leak and the dad was in the bathroom and was having a real hard time pooping. Like the type of shit like the type of stuff where it's like oh god! Damn! Oh man. Oh shit! Why? Why? It's always bad when someone yells why. What's happening?

Why? There goes the corn! That's the corn! People might corn okay you don't say corn people are might be eating when they listen to this okay we'll cut that out we'll cut out the corn no i want to leave it i like okay all right anyway my point is i remember when he came out of the bathroom the shame on his poor son's face because we were like oh you're dead and they're blowing it up and i think that's where my phobia comes from. I don't want to be that guy.

When I was a kid, my mom took me into the stall with her. I was of an age where she was obviously not leaving me alone. And a woman was really farting a lot as she was going poo. And then we came out to the sinks, and I apparently turned to the woman and pointed and went, Mom, that's the lady who was farting. Oh, no. Oh, no. My mom says, like, to this day, that's the most embarrassing moment of her life. Amazing.

Oh, my goodness. All right. Kelso's the gorilla. Kelso's the gorilla. By the way, Donald, I literally looked down at my notes. I looked down at my notes and saw. All right. Kelso's the gorilla. Kelso's the gorilla. By the way, Donald, I literally looked down at my notes. I looked down at my notes and saw, I thought that was a really funny reveal. Yeah, I thought that was very funny.

Do you think Ken was ever in the suit? Oh, I don't know. That's a great question. That is a great question. Let's ask Bill that one. Let's put Bill on it. All right. Let's ask Bill because, Bill, I'm sure you want to say hi to the Tom Cavanaugh. And, you know, I did notice some of the fans were missing you and you're sabotaging our show by yelling the secret

numbers. So Bill, was Ken Jenkins ever in the gorilla suit? And also say hi to Tom Cavanaugh. Bill? Hey guys, how you doing? number two. Ken Jenkins in that gorilla suit. I seem to recall, this is what I love about Ken, trying to be respectful of actors. I was like, of course, Ken, if you want to be the guy in the suit. And I think he cut me off and said, Bill, you're not going to see me. I don't care if I'm ever in that grill suit. So I do not think Ken Jenkins was ever in that thing.

Pretty sure. And I respect him more for it. Also, got to say, man, not only one of my favorite guest stars on the show, but an all-time good buddy, Tom Cavanaugh. Hello, sir. Oh, hi. Tommy, how you doing, man? time good buddy tom cavanaugh hello sir oh hi tommy how you doing man uh i don't mean to uh steal this podcast but it has been way too long since we've seen each other it's been a

there's got to be at least like four like five or six or seven or eight months five six seven eight no thank you of course what a dick this guy is turn it off dan season. Season two. Dan. Get a new. You need a new trick trying to hijack our show. You know, speaking of tricks, the janitor never does his trick. I was asking. I was about to ask that. It's a writing flaw, Bill. Sorry.

What was that about? Since you just tried to hijack our show by saying the numbers, I will tell you, even though now you can't reply, that you're fucked up. Or Tim Hobert. Tim Hobert fucked up. Somebody fucked up. Why do you lay in that the janitor's going to do a trick and he never does? I think it's a mislead for him being in the gorilla suit.

But he's like twice Ken's height. So that doesn't really work. Just saying. Do you want to talk about how great it was to have Tom Cavanaugh on the podcast? Dude, you have to come back. You already said you will. I'm going to force your hand. That was a classic misplay on your two guys' parts.

You guys are like, hey, Tom, come back. He's like, he's obsessive. Joel's going to be like, all he does is email me. He's like, please. This episode? Hey, just come back. Come back. Can I come back?

Dude, we have some stories, you and I. We've played a lot of basketball together. And so the next time you're on, we'll talk all about that. You guys will talk sports ball. Yeah, you can go grab a tea, and we'll talk hoops. And then you can come back 10 minutes later. I will just put on Dear Evan Hansen and listen the whole time. And you guys will wave on the zoom call when it's open.

Perfect. No, seriously, man, we love you. You're great. I'm so happy to be a part of this. Thank you guys for having me on.

I'm grateful. No, thank you. Thank you. And thank you to Daniel and Joel and, uh, and Donald, do you want to lead us in song?

I love you, Donald phase on. I love you, Zach breath. And we love you listeners Thank you for listening And for being amazing And subscribe to this

And what else? Email joellescrubsiheart at gmail.com And that's it right Donald That is absolutely to the 5, 6, 7, 8. I've got stories about a show we made. About a bunch of docs and nurses in a Canada who love to hate. I said he's got stories that we all should know. So gather round to hear our, gather round to hear our Scrubs Rewatch Show with Zach and Donald. Mm-hmm.

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