Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - 212: My New Old Friend w Bill Lawrence

Episode Date: August 7, 2026

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What are you talking about? I mean, first of all, I think this is one of the best fucking episodes of this fucking show. You love this season so far, dude. Season 2 is your favorite. Well, this episode, I think, is one of the best of season one and two so far. Dude, this is, I fucking laughed my ass off at this episode. I laughed a lot in this episode. There's so much funny shit in this episode.

I'm so glad Bill's coming on today. Yeah, we have Bill Lawrence on the show today, guys. Surprise! Is he here, Dannell? Okay, well, you can let him in when he comes here. Bill's one of the only guests we won't put in a virtual green room. No, we would, nobody puts Bill in the corner. Nobody puts baby in that.

puts Billy in the corner. Oh my God. Yeah, I really thought this episode, I, you know, I usually, I pause when I want to write something and make a note to talk about it. And I was pausing every other sentence. I just thought it was so funny. Has a lot of funny moments in the episode. There's a lot of stunts in it.

There's a lot of funny gags. Rob is hilarious. Rob is hilarious in this episode. Well, we will save it for when Bill gets on him. How are you? I'm well. How are you? Good, good, good.

A lot of people love and deservant. I mean, if we had merch, if, I got to tell you, if I-Hart could figure out, if the giant conglomerate of I-Hart could figure out how to get us merch, deservant would be on a mug. Deservant would be the picture of the T-shirt.

It would be on a T-shirt. On a mug. My, I laughed out loud. Someone on my Instagram when I promoted today's show, we record this a little bit before you guys. So this is Tuesday, the, sorry, this is Thursday the 6th. Someone wrote, this one's going to be deservant of a listen. I love it.

I love it. Our fans are so fucking awesome and funny. They're so witty, man. They're so witty. Very funny people that list. Well, obviously, if you like a show this good, you must be a funny person. They are savvy. They are savvy and with it.

They love our songs. Did you see that thing I sent you of the woman on Twitter who edited together a little quick video to the ramp song? I ran down the ramp song. Yeah. I ran down the ramp. She cut together footage of JD running around down the Scrubs ramp.

Down the Scrubs ramp. In several different ways he ran down. One time he goes down on his back. Joel, you might have to reward that woman with letting her ask a question. She fucking cut a video for us, dude. No, listen, man. All right.

And that's very nice. She spent a lot of time on that. I wish it was longer. If you're listening, nobody is done what Shea has done. Nobody is done what Shea is done. She's coming up. He's on a little bit.

But that's what I'm trying to say. We're not, we've been giving it away a little too easily. Oh, so you're saying the only way to get on is to self-publish a book about scoffs. I'm saying at least get close to the level of fandom that Shea has shown, man. That's like, he trumps everybody. This young lady, this young lady spent. a lot of time. Think how much time I went.

She searched the whole fucking show for shots of JD running down the ramp. She went to YouTube and was like Scrubs Ramp. And that's what she did. Oh, man. Anyway, I laughed. That song, I cannot get that fucking song out of my head.

I sing it all day long. You know what song I can't get out of my fucking head. What? What you're trying to get into. Adeo Shun. What you're trying to do? I agree. It's fire.

I'm not going to lie. The shit you're trying to get it. into Adeo Shun. What is it? What is it? Well, don't forget everybody. That's a ringtone that you can have on your phone.

I know. Again, Joelle, is there a max to how many ringtones we have? Because when I read my comments, everyone's like asking lots of questions. They want another one? We can't do another one. We can.

We can. On the last episode, DJ Collins said we could. I know he did, but that's, I mean, listen, he was just trying to be nice. We did our new favorite segment Asked DJ Collin

And he gave us permission I know, but no dude, no Oh man, if I had the bandwidth in my brain I would I would just take over the whole merch thing And do it myself But I don't know that I care enough But I have so many funny ideas And our fans and listeners are suggesting

So many funny ideas It would be a whole little side career for me I love that everybody's involved man Everybody wants to be involved in it And I like that You know, GQ, British GQ says it's the second best podcast of the year. Wow. You know, and the British are wise.

They're very wise. They're very, very wise. They have good taste. Let's be honest. Well, you know. British people have good taste. Let's, let's call it what it is. They're right.

GQ is right. You like in my beard? I'm trying to catch up with you. I do like it. I like that you're letting the gray grow out a little bit, though, too. Well, a little bit. Yeah, I can't get as bushy as yours. It just won't happen.

It would take so long for me. This is all quarantine. Oh, the whole quarantine. But I feel like even if I did, well, I guess maybe if I did four months, yeah. It looks nice. I like it on you. It's a new look.

It is a new look. I like it too. How's Casey putting up with it? Does she complain about it? No, she doesn't complain about my beard. She doesn't complain. She complains about other things, you know, like my lack of support in the house.

Oh, yeah. When it comes to the children. Are you not helping? Are you being the horrible husband that lies on the couch and plays video games? No, I'm not being that person. But you know my wife, if there's nothing to do, she's going to find something to do in the form of cleaning or something like that. That's just her. And I don't think she's always been like that.

But I think ever since she's had kids, a way to get away from everybody is to clean, I guess. Because she'll find things that aren't even dirt. And it's really weird because she's never been that type of person, but she'll find things that are dirty and just be like, I got to clean this right now. And then she'll, but it's a way, I think it's a way for her to spend time away from us without being like, I can't be around y'all. But don't you feel like in quarantine, this fucking deep into quarantine, people are just starting to lose their minds a little bit. And they're like, what can I do? I know, I'm going to clean the freezer. Like people are, I think people are going a little batty. Yeah, you know, she, she got out the house today, which I'm very happy for. She, she, she let her out. I let her out. I let her ass out. You're so, you're so strict with letting people out. Did you like, can I go out? I picked her this like, I've been here this like, I've been here's like.

a padlock on the front door. She was like, can I go out? I was like, one second. Click, click, click, click, click, click, click. Let me undo the chain, undo the other chain, under do the other chain. Yeah. And then I open the door and it's like, ah, bright sunlight hits her face.

Right, and she's like blind for a second when it hits her. She's like, oh, it's so bright. And then I let her out. Yeah, where'd she go? She went to play tennis. Oh, with Chris Crabb? with Christopher Crabb. That's our old Donald and I, we spoke about him once.

He was our old tennis coach when we were allowed to go to tennis. Yeah, she took a tennis lesson. Oh, look who it is, everybody. Thunderous applause. Ladies and gentlemen. Turn your key, Donald. Thunderous and girls. Give it up this turn.

Give it up for Bill Lawrence. America's favorite showrunner is here, everybody. I'm sure. I have a lot of complaints today. I'm a lot of issues today. Bill, Bill, why is your camera not on? I'm starting my voice metal. I got a lot of issues today.

I'm bringing up complaints and stuff. I'm ready. All right. Go. We want to hear it all. Let's go. This is called this new is this called Bill Bitches. See, that's what it is.

That's what it is. It's a new segment. We're looking. It's the second season of this show. Congratulations, by the way, guys. I saw something that like a podcast. You have to listen to. I've run into people that talk about the podcast independently of you two.

Its success makes me very happy. The only thing that makes me happier is there are some people that feel that I'm some way involved or behind it. And I am not changing that narrative. If I can take credit I am. You are behind it, Bill. You are indirectly behind it. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't know Donald. Donald would be, I'd be like, I don't know what I'd be doing porn.

Donald would be doing Clueless 7. Right. Every time they bring up, do you want to produce? I'm the one that's the holdout when it comes to the clueless remake. Every time they're like, do you want to do the remake? Do you want to do the remake? Do you want to do the remake? And I'm like, nah, no, no, no, no. Alicia's down to do it?

I'm still spending that Scrubs money. Wait a second. Are you kidding? Are you serious? I'm joking. Okay. You should do it. Where are they now? It would be great if we could do a clueless sequel.

That would be awesome. Do I think it's going to happen? I think nowadays, more. people are open to it. I think 10 years ago, everybody was like, get the heck out of here. I mean, like, a Netflix movie would be hilarious. I'd watch the hell out of that. Sorry, Bill. Go on. I didn't mean to interrupt. Wait, we didn't count in, Bill.

And since it's your favorite thing to do, do you want to count us end to America's favorite song? Yeah, this might be the last time I ever do it because we're looking for a new gig. You're right? You ready? Right. But by the way, people love it when you do it when you're not supposed to. But now we're giving you permission to do it, Bill. Well, then I don't want to.

All right, Bill, please don't count into the theme song. Please don't. Whatever you do, Bill, just don't count into the theme song. We ask you nicely, Bill. You guys think you're being crafty. You guys think you're being crafty. But I know what rip of five, six, seven, eight. I have stories about sure we made.

About a bunch of dogs and nurses and a genital who love it. I said he. so many questions for you. I want to tell you that I think this is one of the best episodes of season one and two thus far. I laughed my ass off and it's also moving and I just, I, I'm so glad that coincidentally we were having you on today because as I was watching it, I thought it was fucking really one of the better ones so far. It's one of my favorite ones for everybody, but we're going to start with my grievances. Yeah, I go. Sorry, Bill Biches. All right. So maybe maybe there should be a little, um, Dan, just just give a,

Just like a little music. Just like a little music. No, well, no, just like not during the thing. Just a little, just figure out a little intro into the new segment, Bill Bitches. We're not, we're not agree that that's the new segment yet. But if you're coming up with what the music would be for the segment, it should be something like, 5, 6, 7, 8. Some stories. No, okay.

This is the problem. We give you an inch and you take a foot. This is what happened. You said you were going to come up with a new season two bit. That one made me happy. All right. Okay. So here's my tiny grievances is when you guys ask me, I don't want to be in the same camp as Wiki Kevin or Derek or whatever that guy's name is.

What's easy? Wiki, Trevor, Trevor, Wiki. I'm not ever going to call him that because even though he seems nice, he's an enemy now. He is an enemy because he don't want to do it. He's problematic. I'm not going to love it. Trevor Wicke is problematic. Have you guys noticed how he wants to constantly put me down

and make me feel like he does and knows the stuff better than me? Have you noticed that through line? It's underneath. He doesn't say it, but it's underneath it. And underneath it is that he knows more about the show than me. I was picking up on that, Bill. I was picking up on that. That's what I don't like that.

I thought I got a problem with him, dude. I can, by the way. We just signed fucking Funko Pops for the guy. No Funko Pops. No Funko Pops for Trevor. Okay. Trevor's a big fucking know-it-all, dude. He's too much of a know-it-all, man.

Bill just doesn't want to be- You know how we feel about know-it-all, Zach. You know how we feel about no-it-all. I actually like Trevor. I just don't like feeling like on-level playing field with anybody. It makes you upset. So here's my grievance. My number one grievance is when you guys ask me questions,

I answer them after you've recorded it. So you can't respond to the answers. and so there's no real discourse. I'm just like Wiki Trevor. So I want to think of something that I can record before you do an episode in some cool way that you could listen to and be prompted and then hear like a response later. Do you know what I mean?

I love that. Yeah. We love that. So like it's even as something as simple as like, go ahead. You go. People love it when you're on the show. And people love your, your contributions, even when you start our theme song without permission.

And I think any way that you want to be more... You're just a very busy man. We don't want to cut into your time. Donald and I are sitting around in quarantine staring at the walls, whereas you're like writing 11 shows. So as much time as you have, you can please do it. Well, here's what I want us to think of. It's quick.

There's only two requests I have. One is that we think of anything that I give you guys something that you can have, Dan will press play on during the episode. Because what I miss is I listen to these shows religiously. I listen to them the nights they come out. I put my earphones on and listen to them when I go to bed that night. It's awesome.

But what bums me out is when I do answer your question, I don't get to hear your reaction or response to it. You know what I mean? Because it happened after the fact. So I think maybe when I know what episode's coming, if you're ever like, oh, I can either go ask you a question. Like, what do you think the writing room's favorite joke was in this episode? And you can play the ending at the end.

if you guys riff on it, or I can ask you a question, you all question about the episode based on some kind of trivia or where it came from that might lead you into a discussion. So I want to flip it. And then the other thing is when you do have me on, I want permission to bring a mystery guest that you guys aren't allowed to know who they are before they come. Absolutely.

I love that. Whatever you want, Bill. All right. Whatever you want. Those are my only two contract demands. Joelle, Joelle, write it down, make it happen. We have the best producer in the podcast world,

and she's going to make it all happen. I'm going to steal Joelle from you, by the way. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I knew that was going to happen. Although, Joel's like, Joeel's like, produce a podcast or work for Bill Lawrence and comedy writing. Later. The next episode, there'll just be some. new person in Joe.

I can make Daniel and Joel put up her cut out. Remember when she put up her cut out? It never happened. It'll be like weekend at Bernies. It'll just be like a Joel doll sitting there. I want Joel and Danil to leave right before your tour starts.

So look, and the Bill, you might come on the tour bus. I think you might enjoy when we do the tour coming on our tour bus. I'll probably take a plane from place to place, but I like what you're saying, sure. Well, you'll be missing all the fun on the bus. You'll be missing all of the

beautiful. By the way, nobody over 18 has said you'll be missing all the fun on the bus, other than you two guys. No fun on the bus. Bill, Donald and I have always wanted to be, we always wanted to be, we always wanted to live the life of a tour bus rock band. And since we don't play instruments, and we're going to live that tour bus life, we're going to have a roadie. We should bring a roadie. That's going to be fun. I got to tell you, I went, I saw Charlotte's bus. Daniel, you're the producer. You're not the roadie. We're going to have, we need a, I don't know. No, no, I would never, we need a rodeo.

I need someone who tunes our instruments. Thank you so much, by the way, for playing Charlotte's song, you guys. That was so cool. And, you know, she loves you guys so much. She was so grateful, but it was so neat for me. And I say that because Charlotte's tour bus on her last tour was so cool, and I saw pictures of it, but I was never allowed on it because that's where she had parties after shows and stuff.

And so... Yeah, well, you don't want to invite your dad on the tour bus, but you can come on our tour bus. That's my other request. If I'm allowed on your tour bus, I would like my daughter to not be allowed on your tour bus. Yeah, yeah. Done and done.

Done and done. Sorry, no Charlotte's allowed. I got to tell you, that song is really good, Bill. I'm not just saying this because I love you and I love Charlotte. I actually played the end of the podcast a few times because I love the song, and I also really thought my talk up into it was spectacular. And, no, but it's a really good song.

I put it, I added it to my, my workout playlist. Dude, she's killing it. I would drop everything to be a roadie for her or for you guys. You know, it's just so fun being around music and being around all that stuff. Should we talk for a second about your new show? I want to, I feel like we should promote Ted Lassow, Bill. We can. I just want the end of the mystery guest thing and the reason I'm going to do it and you guys will like it is, even though some mystery guests will freak you out, a couple of them will be writers.

because you guys are doing such interesting things talking about the craft of acting and your experiences on it to occasionally throw another writer in the mix of this stuff, you might really like it. We'd love that. We would really love that. You know, people...

We were talking about that on the last podcast. We were actually talking about that. Like, it's really important to us that we bring other people from the show because everybody has a story to tell and everybody has... You know, it was 10 years of a lot of people's lives, nine years of people's lives.

So I know that there's so many stories. Like, people got married, Oh, did we had a count of how many babies were born during that show, and I think it was up to something like 30-something between all the actors, crew, and writers and stuff. It was crazy. Yeah. So we asked our audience, and they were like, yes, please. Yeah.

We love crew members. What crew members, I mean, we got to, we said, hey, should we bring on crew people? And people overwhelmingly said, yes. So we got to think of like, I mean, we definitely want Patrick Bolton because he has his own song. Of course. You know, by the way, Neil Goldman keeps count of how many times you've mentioned his name on your podcast. So whatever you say Neil Goldman, I'll get a text from him that just says four mentions so far. Neil was one of the writers.

Yeah, I think we should have some writers on because also writers are funny, too. So, Bill, Mike Schwartz is in this episode. He puts his penis in a flashlight. Yes, it was before he was Lloyd. So he's not Lloyd in this? Oh, no, he's not Lloyd. No, he's not Lloyd. Because it was after he was a delivery man.

Lloyd shows up with the bricks, the ton of bricks. Yeah, right. Lloyd's the delivery man, and then we just might do the flashlight thing. And then Lloyd continues to be a delivery man that loves heavy metal. And then Lloyd eventually comes to be part of the brain trust, yes. Now, Bill, are you sure that it's in your mind that that's not Lloyd? Because why, why is it not? He ever says, I'm Jim or anything. I think he was acting.

Maybe he is in his head, but I didn't. I remember us arguing in the writer's room. room if he was allowed to do that. And I said yes, because at that point, by that point, I think I'd put myself in the show three different times once getting a, you know, whenever I was bored, I don't know if you guys remembered, I used to go put myself in the show and occasionally give myself a line or a reaction until I finally gave myself a part as a minister that lived in the Bahamas and then a janitor that also works at the hospital.

So I didn't have any ground to stand on. I eventually just had to let people do it. but yeah let's say he's Lloyd okay because that's a thing we always joked that the janitor didn't have any kids but in this episode

at the end he's in front of a class now my question is that he's lying he's lying he doesn't have any kids yeah so it is a fantasy and this is something that JD dreams okay cool oh my go

we gotta get to the episode it's so good before we do I just want to say Bill is too modest to talk about this but he has a new show with Jason Siddakis it's on

Apple. It's called Ted Lassow, and it's getting extraordinary reviews. And I directed episode two, and it's really fucking good. And I'm happy for you, Bill. And if you're a fan of this show, I think you're going to like it because it's very, very funny. It's a similar, well, it's not fantasies and stuff, but Bill, talk about it for a second. Plug yourself, for God's sake. Look, Jason Sudecas is a very funny performer, a great actor, but he's also as a writer on SNL first and he wrote and came up with his character long ago and it's about a transplanted American college football coach that goes over to the UK to coach a Premier League soccer team. It's a fish out of water thing, but you know me and man, I'm a sucker for heart and emotions.

And most importantly, I think besides being kind of a fun sports movie, if people could use maybe an optimistic hopeful show, it is that. And I certainly needed to work on something like that for a change. And I'm really proud of it. You did great work, man. I was lucky that Zach was there and had nothing else to do that I could kind of shanghai him and make him direct an episode. Well, it's funny.

I was in the UK because my girlfriend was working there. And Bill was like, oh, my God, this is perfect. Do you want to direct an episode of the show? And I said, oh, my God, please. I'm sitting here. I got nothing to do. I should be writing something, but I'm just fucking around and not writing. And I came.

And it was so cool. because as we've told you on the show, when episode, you know, after the pilot, the first few episodes, you're still kind of kind of developing the tone of the show and figuring out the way the camera moves. And, and I was just awesome to be back on a set with Bill so surreal this time in London. And Siddakis, who I think is so fucking funny and talented and a really, really funny group of people. And I, you know, I delivered my cut. I don't know how much you changed my cut, Bill. Well, no, look, stuff always changes.

That's me saying it a nice way. We changed it some. But you did establish a visual look of the show, which was, you know, and we hadn't really even thought about it. If you're in the UK as an American TV show shooting these kind of great kind of visuals of where you actually are, it'd be silly not to do it. And you did it in yours in Richmond and what is unbelievably beautiful site, you know, where you shot that photo shoot. You did it with the guy walking his dog. and the town green, which was amazing. And you kind of set a visual style for showing big and beautiful landscapes and stuff that

we kind of continued throughout. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. And I had to figure, ironically, I had to figure something sportsy out, Donald. You'll be proud of me because the show is about a soccer team or football, as we say over there. And these gentlemen who take care of the pitch, that's what they call the field, Donald, are so proud of it. And of course, it's beautiful.

it's like perfect, that you can't run, they don't want gear on the, on the pitch. They don't want, no dollies, no, no big TV, no, no, no anything. So I had to come up with the amazing key grip. I had to come up with, and I was like, because I had all these shots of these guys playing soccer, like in, in and around, in the game around them and everything. And we came up with this amazing rig that had these big inflatable tires.

It's basically often more used for dollying on sand. but it didn't make any imprint on the grass. And then we put a remote head on it, and these guys, the grips would run all around with it. And the camera operator was controlling it from the remote head on the side. And it was like approved by the Greensman to be able to be used. And I was really proud of that. It was really cool.

And we used it in every episode. And when someone asked me literally in an interview the other day, who came up with that, I admitted that it was me. Oh, I knew you're going to say that. I knew you're going to say that. You already told me, he already broke it to me that one of my favorite shots was cut and I'm really sad because it was fucking such a cool shot.

But yeah, this is what happens. When you're a director for a TV show, you just do all you can and then you hand it off to a showrunner like Bill and sometimes you lose dope shots. I'm going to segue into what you said about this episode and I'm going to compliment you guys both because what's hard for me sometimes to watch episodes

and I hadn't watched any of these Scrubs episodes for years until you guys started doing this is when you go back and look at him if you were involved in them you always I do anyways get stuck in like oh I could have done this better and you guys have had you guys are so candid sometimes you're like this isn't my favorite episode you know and for me what's so hard is you sometimes watch an episode

that even if it's one of your favorites you'll go oh it's one of my favorites because this A story is awesome and this B story is okay and the C story sucks or the B story is amazing A story is not. This episode I really liked because I actually watched it and liked every single story and thought it was great for every single performer. And so I was excited that you guys let me do this one with you. By the way, it was a total accident because I just said I missed having you on and Donald missed having you on and the fans always like it when you're on. And I was like, hey, come do come do this one.

And then I watch it today. And I was like, oh, I'm so happy we have you because I literally stopped every 10 seconds and was writing something down. There are a lot of great jokes in this one, man. A lot of good stunts. I got to say this guy who... A lot of great stunts. This guy who plays JD is a fucking really good

comic stunt guy. Before we get into all of that shit, let's do the recap. Oh, sorry. Yeah, Bill, we have a new segment. As you know, as you know, Bill,

we have a new segment where Donald sums up the episode, sometimes elegantly, sometimes horribly. We'll see what's going to happen today. I have not heard him do one horrible. Oh, you're nice. I am.

I have a question, when it's like 36 seconds, you act disappointed. Yeah. Well, Sometimes he gets lazy about it and he only comes up with like 10 seconds of material and then he stretches it out. He's like, this episode. That's funny.

Are you ready, Donald? Let's go. And go. A new character is introduced played by Richard Kine. And much like the Corps 7, he's trying to find something. Cox is trying to get Richard's character out of the hospital because he feels he's wasting everyone's time. JD's trying to find a way back into Elliot's heart. Turk is trying to find a way to keep an elderly woman who just had brain surgery from driving.

Elliot's a hot mess and needs to find a place to live. The thing about searching is it's often followed by discovery, and all of our heroes are caught off guard when they find what they're looking for. Oh, shit. Whoa. That was a good one. I got to say, the first one that gave me goosebumps. I'm embarrassed.

The first thing about searching is it often leads to discovery. is something that I'm going to lift and say that I remember when I first said that. That didn't come from you? That isn't yours? That's good. Donald, I don't know if you're just showing off because Bill was on the show today, but that was beautiful. That is solid and literary, man.

When we, when Bill agreed to come on the show, I was like, I got to make the freaking recap a little bit better. Yeah, he was like, I'm going to stick the landing with a poetic sentence. I, by the way, just so you guys know, before the end of this, I will weave that sentence into a comment without you guys ready for it to come. I'm eventually going to say that the thing about searching is it also often leads to discovery. It felt like something JD would say

in a voiceover to end the show. Well, he'd say at the end of the day first. At the end of the day. At the end of the day. At the end of the day. Did you guys ever tell that piece of trivia? It's one of my favorite things that I don't know if you both know or remember

is when our show was at its hottest a small publishing company said, hey, we'd like to give you some money, which is always interesting, and money in advances, we want to do a book of all those kind of inspirational life guidance, scrubs quotes, J.D. voiceovers at the end.

And we initially, Randall and I were like, oh, we're definitely doing that, of course. It'll be dough, it'll be whatever, it'll be great. And some of them are really good. But then when you take all the manipulative indie music out and you guys and you remove your performances, some of them literally are like, at the end of the day, things happen.

And then other things happen. And sometimes the things make you sad. And sometimes the things make you happy. And we were, by the way, we were immediately looking at him going, oh, we can't do this ever. I remember sometimes recording him being like, this makes no fucking sense.

But then you slap a little indie music. the gonin and do a cool slow motion crane shot and bam, you're there. When push comes to shove, sometimes your friends are your friends and sometimes your enemies are your enemies. But in the end, but in the end, all in the end, and you're just going to end with like a meaningful word like, and in the end, it all comes down to friendship. Do do, do, do, do, do, do do, do do. So cheap, man.

Sorry. All right. So the episode opens with J.D. talking about black people in movie theaters yelling at the screen. Yeah. I don't know if we're allowed to make that joke anymore. I apologize if it's offensive. It's not, that's not offensive, dude.

We make fun of that. Listen, I understand why people feel like they can't do it because your culture doesn't allow it. Our culture does allow it, and it's the best part about being black to react to the screen. It's one of the best things ever, dude. See a horror movie on the south side of Chicago.

Blow your mind. You're like, this is a totally different experience. Bitch, why are you going in that room? Why the fuck you going in that room? Donald, do you remember Eddie Murphy's Amityville horror bit when he was doing a bit about talking to the movie theater? and then he also segued into

how white people in the horror movies don't listen to the ghosts in the Amityville Horror like, get out. Right, right, right, right. I went to see the movie, I went to see the animated horror movie and, you know, the ghost goes,

get out, right? And the people stayed in the house. If it was a black family, they'd be like, wow, look at this beautiful house, look at the lovely furniture, it's got a pool in the back of it. Oh, my God, leads to a lake. This is great.

Get out. Too bad we can't. state. By the way, Zach, you just stumbled on to something that we talked about in the writers' room a lot and why I'm grateful for Joel chiming in is there's one, so that's the line you have to find in these writers' rooms, man, is it would be one thing for JD to make fun of, oh, Turk, you and other black people talk in the movie theater. The other thing is when you get to an end point of what,

Joel just said, which was true for me, is Turk going to you, you wish you could talk during the movies. Right. You know what I mean? To me, that's what I love to talk about that moment. I have anxiety. Such a friendship moment.

My father was fucking nuts about people talking in a movie theater. And I have anxiety about it because he would often confront people. I'm not, we didn't go to a movie theater like, you know, like you're saying Joelle in the south side of Chicago

where I went on. But we were going in the suburbs and not just black people, white people, people would talk during the movie, and he would confront them. And I get, like, anxiety thinking about it now because it was so embarrassing. And I just, I don't know, I, I, whenever I go to the movie theater and someone's talking, I, I, I get all stressed about it. That's why.

The amount of times I've heard my wife say, just open your candy to somebody, because you know how people, I'm one of these people, it's better, it's better to open your candy slow, you know, but then the crinkle just lasts longer rather than just to, rip it open. So if someone is crinkling their little bag of sour gut, Chris is like, just open your candy. Oh, God. I used to love going to the movie theaters and to the movie and seeing a movie and hearing, not people talk like amongst themselves, but talk with the movie theater. You know, I grew up in New York City. My parents belonged to a theater in Harlem. And so the Apollo theater was up the block. And there was a movie theater right next to the Apollo theater. And I remember going and seeing school days in that movie theater. And it's a Spike Lee movie about college rushing, black college rushing.

And so they would have step shows and all of these things. And I remember there's a step show in the movie. And this fraternity's going hard. And I remember sitting in the audience with my best friend and his dad and looking over and people were in the aisle stepping. to the freaking movie. And, you know, if you're not, listen, if you don't know better, you'd be like, oh, this is part of the show.

But I knew it wasn't a part of the show. I knew these people caught feelings for the moment that was going on. And so now we're not even watching the movie anymore. We're watching the people in the aisle dance and everything like that. And I get a kick out of stuff like that. If you can say something in a movie and it's funny, and it's a moment where it needs, you know, where a joke is lacking or something like that.

Kudos, man, if you could do that and I'm in a theater. So you like it. When you go to like a movie theater and everyone's like making wisecracks at the movie, you don't mind it. You think it's funny. I mean, they made TV shows about this shit. Mystery Science Theater. I know, but those people are funny.

I'm sure not everyone yelling shit at the movie theater is funny. Right. I can't like, look, if you're, if you're, if the shit that you're saying at the screen is not funny, then we got a problem. And, you know, please. You better up, keep it to yourself. You better be good. You bet, right.

That's one of those things. if you're going to interrupt the movie, you better say something funny. By the way, it falls flat. I kind of want to have the experience. Don't you think this divides people as far as movie fans? Like,

I have some friends that are happy to never go to a movie theater again and to say, oh my gosh, I hope movies are always released into your house. And there's something for me about the community experience of it all that I would miss it forever, you know? I agree with that,

especially at each spectacle. and, you know, don't get Donald started on Marvel movies and Star Wars. But for me, like, I said... Does Donald like Star Wars? No, he hates it. I don't know if you've heard, but he's been cast as Chewbacca's cousin who can talk. By the way, is there a way? There has to be a way that we can, you know, Oprah this into reality.

Because you guys have been talking about it so very much. We have to. Bill, I've been trying to secret this shit. I've been trying to secret this shit for, like, 30, 46 years, dude, since I, when the Star Wars come out, I've been trying to secret this shit. I'm going to be in a Star Wars movie one day. I'm a, and I've gotten close. I've been on the Star Wars television show.

Yeah. The only way it happens if someone we know well gets to direct one of them. No, that's not the only way it happens. No, there's a, there's three degrees of JJ out there too. We just got to figure it out. JJ ain't hiring me. JJ hired me a long time ago. he ain't hired me since.

I remember I had a meeting with JJ. I remember I had a meeting with JJ and he was talking about Star Trek, right? And he didn't want to give it away. And I was like, well, is there a part for me? He was like, nope, there's no part for you in this one. But the next one, Donald. And then I was like, oh yeah, okay, bet.

Freaking, they made three Star Trek movies. I'm not in any of them. Then he gets Star Wars and he goes and hires John Boyega instead of me. Listen, man, hold on now. I don't think that Stormtrooper was supposed to be 46. Huh? I don't think that Stormtrooper was supposed to be 46.

No offense. I was, listen, man. Listen, man. By the way, in all, why is that old stormtrooper limping? By the way,

in every appearance I've had on this podcast, that's the most offended that Donald ever looked, that moment right there. I saw pure actual anger at you, I love it. Before the black stormtrooper takes off his helmet,

you see him like holding his back and limping, and they're like, what's the wrong? That's torn to me? I'm just saying, man stormtroopers can be old or they could be young they are military i don't think there's any old stormtroopers how funny would that be if the stormtroopers were all the original stormtroopers and when they take their armatured they're just all old men 30 years later

can't believe they survive bill one of my life goals is to try and get him in one of the movies i'll i'll do anything i'll turn tricks whatever j jay needs will you turn tricks i'll turn a trick for j jay yeah whatever he needs uh by the way you guys should start No, no, no, no. Okay, hold on. Let's not concentrate on JJ. JJ's great. Right.

Let's focus on Dave Faloni. Oh, I remember I hit up Dave Faloni when we were at the premiere. I said directly, you've got to hire this. And he did. He put you in the cartoon. And John Favreau. John Favro, good guy. I don't know Favro.

You know what another angle is? One of Charlotte's best friends and Zach and Don, you guys, will love her music. She was just on Fowland the other night, Gracie Abrams, who was another young female singer-songwriter. You guys, when you embrace that music, how organic is it just to, because she's so talented, to suddenly play her song, have her as a guest. See what I did? Bill, I'm sorry. We only play one young woman's pop music on this show, Charlotte Lawrence.

As it should be. As it should be. Thank you. Charles is the only one that gets play. All right. Should we talk about wise Elliot wearing a very cute knightie on the first night of friend night? She's on the couch. I saw that as a moment.

is that you, as a producer, you get mad when you occasionally see moments in shows where you go, an actor-actress decision happened that maybe wasn't the best interest of the show. So, like, one of them was every time that I would go down into dailies and I would be like,

why are we digging through so many takes? And the editor would be like, oh, because Johnny McGinley decided that he wanted to juggle why he said this line. I'd be like, oh, my God. And this is one, if I were to bet, I would say that it said Sarah, you know, Elliot wakes up and that Sarah with wardrobe because you guys were able to control your characters would be like, I think I would wake up in an incredibly

adorable nighty. And even in an episode that I was trying to say I'm moving on from the romantic relationship with my friend. Yeah. It does feel like a bit of a teasing thing because, like, if this was real life and then she had really cut it off and said no more sex, I'm going to Sweat, sweatshirt. Yeah, sweatshirt, sweatpants. She's wearing like a super little sexy little number. But I think that's guys and girls. You guys all made some decisions for yourself on how your hair would look, what you wear.

You guys were all pretty, I mean, the shoes. Do you remember when Johnny came back with a bald head? Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah, Donald, I do. I remember that. I remember when Johnny he just talked about it. I remember when he said maybe I'm going to experiment with how words sound.

I was also super fun. Anyway, I was proud of my first of many stunts hits in this episode on that lamp. Prat fall into the lamp. That lamp hit is gorgeous. Very good. I did not, I did not. I did not mark the lamp down, but I will tell you, and you guys could say, that we in the writer's room had Zach's five best pratfalls,

and two of the top five are in this episode. Yeah, there's some good ones, and we'll get to them. But I got to say the lamp, the thing that makes the lamp extra funny is that it swings when I hit it and then also the sound effect that's on it. But it's, which always sort of sweeten the comedic pratfall, but that's a good one. That was a great one. And then, of course, when I, in the next one right away is when I, Sarah parks her truck so tightly and I have to squeeze out of the passenger side and then I fall on the ground. That was a good one too. Yeah, that's one of your top three.

And that one comes with, huh, there's a chance, there is a chance, and I don't want to say it definitively, you'll have to go back and listen to it, that I added the noise. No.

Yes, I did, because often in editing, I would go, I would do it for you when it didn't exist on the track. I would think this far into scrubs, you had like a whole library of, ooh,

This isn't the first No. No, I think my... No, there's been a bunch, but Donald, we reached a point that if we didn't have other looping for Zach to do and I was editing late, I would just put up a microphone and add it. Because it's the noise that we could all... All right, we need to take a break.

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move on from this sort of thing quicker than men. I don't know if that's a universal truth. No, that's so true. I think that's true. I think women are very, and this is speaking as a man, so obviously take it with a grain of salt. I think women are easier to say, no, I don't want to. do that anymore, even if they do want to do that and they know it's bad for them. Whereas a man, whereas J.D.'s running around thinking about his privates and what Elliot did to his privates

and not necessarily what the relationship was, whereas Elliot was like, if I continue doing this, I'm going to get in a relationship with this guy. So what you're saying is that women maybe have the ability to control their urges more and say, this is bad long term. I'm going to stop. whereas a man stereotypically would be like, fuck it all, I just want to be with you, let's be impulsive and do it now. Right, let's do it now, fuck the consequences. I would only tell you guys that even though you're doing it gender-based,

I think these things are character-based. And we would say that we established Elliot on this show is someone that is able to compartmentalize things and take emotions out of it. Like you guys remember with Scott Foley, that she was able to be like, I really dig you, but it doesn't work right now. I'm trying to do medicine, so this is over.

And he was like head over heels and well with her. In our heads, she is somebody that right or wrong is able to go, I'm going to focus on this now and that's over. I'm going to focus on this now and that's over. And JD is a character that lives in the emotional world and never being able to let go of that stuff and never being able to compartmental. But Bill, I think you had her say. I mean, again, it's her, Elliot's point of view.

But I think she said something like, oh, your guys can women, I don't, doesn't someone make it about gender in the show or am I wrong? I don't remember, but if we did, it would be because Gabby Allen, who is one of the dominant, you know, not only female voices, but voices on the show, is without a doubt that tort type of very strong kind of altogether woman as far as she is mentally. So, I lean toward the JD side of things where I'm like when, and Joelle, I'll let you answer this. But I feel like I'm like the person, like my wife. will be like, that's it, there's no more of that, we're not doing that anymore. And I'm the one that's like, please, let's just try one more time. You know what I mean?

Joel, I'm sorry to cut you up. Yeah, I liked Bill's description of it. It's person specific because I am definitely not the person who's going to, I can't compartmentalize. It's all happening at once, all the time, always. I have to see everything from all the different angles, the ability to just be like, no, but we're still friends. I be like, I don't, I can't switch emotionally that. fast. It's too much. But if you knew somebody

was wrong for you or right for you, but you needed to focus on your job... You're going to make me reveal so much about myself. Oh, good. This is how Oprah does it. This just in. Joelle, ladies and gentlemen,

please welcome to the show. Joelle Monique. Joel, Monique. We stumbled into it. When dealing with relationships and breaking up. You find it easier to still, like this is how I look at it.

Like, you break up with somebody and then there's that little bit of excess that happens right before you guys are like, you know what, that's it, we're done. Right, the little trickle. Right, that's that little trickle, which is usually brought on by the dude. The dude, from my opinion,

as I said, I'm speaking for self. From my side of things, usually when I broke up with somebody, there was that extra trickle that I pushed forward, even though I knew this could go the wrong way. And then it was finally the lady that I was doing this to that was like, you need to either shit or get off the pot. Oh, shit.

Yeah. Two, you know, what do you think I am a toy that you can just come and do what you want to do? You know what I mean? Damn. This was me, by the way. Yeah. By the way, Zach, Zach, just, So everybody knows, can I hear you say,

what do you think I'm a toy, that you just do what you want to do? Because here you say it? What do you think I'm a toy, that you can just do what you want to do? You go and play your sports and then you just come and use me? No. That's exactly what you said. That is exactly what you said. But you know what I mean?

You don't fall into that category. You're not the person. I mean, I'm totally the person that's like, I'm going to try and have my cake and I'm going to try and eat it to. Yeah, this is why I don't do a lot of dating. I date people that are terrible for me And people are like, why are you with this person? Like, I don't know.

I don't never like anybody who's necessarily a good person. It's just a long stream of like... Joelle, you should stick with that. That's going to work out for you. I definitely... I definitely... You're going to be so happy in the end of it all. I was in a relationship once where the girl ended up.

And it was so cut off so quickly. It wasn't let anything happen. It was just kind of like she didn't get... any trickle. There was no dot, dot, dot, dot. This episode's based on that. Do you know that? What? That thing from your real life, this episode is based on it. Oh, well, yeah. This particular person kind of just basically put their hand out and was like, buddies. Bye-bye. Because it brings up, it brings up one of my favorite things. I was like, buddies. What? No, no, no. And again, it wasn't like, obviously, if someone, if something happened, then there's more, you know, if someone was unfaithful or

someone or there was a big argument. This was none of that. This was like a, should we be friends? Yeah. And then I had such feelings of like, but I'm unsure and dot, dot, dot, dot, and trickle, trickle, trickle. And she's like, pals with her handout. And I was like, what now? This is one of my favorite things that I wanted to talk about because this is one of the first times I remember the advantage of becoming really close with the cast and crew and writers on a TV show is I didn't know if you'd bring it up, Zach, but you and I were getting, you know, were hanging out and being friends, and you told me about this in your life in a way that,

you know, it was obviously affecting you emotionally and you were hurt. And I think I was a decent friend when you talked about it. But then when I left, I'm like, this will be a pretty good episode. That shit happened all over the place, dude. And it's funny. Now, rewatching the show 20 years later,

Donald and I are both seeing things were like, wait, that was us that weekend. You remember, like, I think at the time we, at the time we didn't notice, but little by little it became our lives. You were going, you were going like, oh, I don't know what we're going to write this week. Oh, I have an idea. It's like, Donald, anything going on in your life? You want to tell me about real quick?

Because we're all stuck. You know what, you know what really became true was after Scrubs was over and I met my wife, it really became Turk, Carla, and JD in my life in real life. Like, I would go out, Casey and I would go out, and our partner for everything that we did was always Zach. And it would be like, let's bring him out so he could meet someone. Yeah. That's a, that's a weird dynamic.

Let's take care of him. Right. Let's take care of him. But part of it is also, let's bring some entertainment so that you and I aren't just staring at each other at the table, looking at each other. You know, we'll talk about a couple of things. And then, like, when my wife. So I was like the court gesture that you brought out.

Well, it's also super fun for Donald and Casey, be like, also at the end of the night, we get to decide if he gets to have sex with someone or not. Just by however Casey handles it. If he did meet someone, we'd be like, no, she's not for you or she's totally for you or right. You're absolutely right, Bill. That's super fun. It is a lot of fun. I'm sure you and Christ have done that a couple of times with him as well.

Yeah. Also with Zach, yes. Oh, yeah. I was forever a bridesmaid never a bride. Well, those days are over, buddy. Maybe those days are over. We'll see. Hey, Nurse Roberts says, if he turns out to be her brother, this is better than my stories.

Yeah. Nurse Roberts had some bangers. She slays. Yeah, she slays. Every time, man, aloma. Dude. Every time. Now he's all mad.

Yeah, now he's all mad. Oh, my God. I laughed so hard. Now he's all mad. But also, I go, I don't feel weird. And Sarah goes, I don't feel weird. And she goes, I feel weird. Well, you guys realize we're about to get to, well, you passed, by the way, in the two minutes.

Johnny was, he did experiment with the word naughty. Yeah. I think he says it as canadi or something. Nautai. He says not Thai. Natai. Natai. Notai.

I love Johnny. See you, man. That guy is so prepared and so good. But for me, I was so happy. And I want to lead you guys in because you can tell, I don't even know how it came to be. but at 340 or Richard Kind is on the show and I think this is I believe it's his first appearance

as a hypochondriac and for whatever reason on our show the cast sometimes the oddest lines would become iconic for our group of things that you guys said for years and years and I never understood why one of them was I have

yaba it was just and to hear that again what was it about that that made all you guys you guys all said it for years Yeah, you know, go ahead, Zach. I just think Richard Kind is so fucking funny. And everything he says makes me laugh. He looks like he's like a, he's like a Muppet.

Like he's got this giant mouth. And he's a really good actor. One of the things about great comedic actors is that they're often really good dramatic actors as well. Richard Kine has a little short monologue at the end of this episode that gave me goosebumps. And he spends. It's so poignant. Yes.

And he spends the whole first part of the episode. episode being hysterical. Oh, but have you ever, yeah, have you ever had sex with a chimp? If you have, I have been to the zoo, yes. It wasn't sex with the chimp. He's like, have you, have you, have you been around primates recently? Exotic primates. I have been to the zoo.

Continue. But also, he's just so funny. In fact, every time I run into him for the last 20 years, which is probably once a year, I always go, I have yaba. And he starts laughing. Well, he has one line in the show that we don't talk about. about that made me laugh so hard. And I, and, and, and, and I'm going to do a bad line reading.

But Johnny, uh, Cox says him, so how was your day? He goes, it was horrible. Horrible. It was horrible. I made sounds like a dolphin giving birth. I made sounds like a dolphin giving birth. It was horrible. Horrible.

I made sounds like a dolphin. Uh, by the way, and you have Zeltzer come in. Now this is, I believe Zeltzer's, uh, Bob Clinton. Denon's second episode and he just I just sorry I wrote down Bill you have to come up with the show for for Bob Clinton and Richard Kine because I would watch the shit out of it the two of them together are so funny well I look you guys I'm going to give you guys a compliment sometimes I get grief but I guess doing an interview the other day that somebody said about Ted Lassow oh it'll be weird seeing a show of yours without the Bill Lawrence players in it and what they sometimes criticize

was like every cast member of Spin City for the most part, you know, that was available came and did Scrubs. And now you and Donald and Sarah and everybody, you know, on Scrubs is doing whenever they could other shows of mine. And then everybody on Cougar Town has done, you know, Bob, Bob Quendenten and ended up being on Cougar Town. It's for me such a gift that you guys will keep working with me, but also that you guys, Rich always talked about it, how kind and Barry Boswick talked about it, how kind you guys were. to the previous gang that came in to be on your show.

You know what I mean? He loved it there. Well, dude, I mean, from our point... We're working with stars, dude. We're working with freaking big-time comedians who crush. Go ahead, Zach. Well, I was going to say the exact same thing. For us, Bill, it was just like...

We, Donald and I, as anyone who listens to this note, grew up on sitcoms, grew up on loving TV comedy. And you're bringing in Barry Boswick and Richard Kind. I mean, these are guys who we just always thought were so funny. And it wasn't like... you know, was a favor. We were just happy to be,

you know, bouncing the ball back and forth with them to use, that's a sports analogy, because you often bounce a ball back and forth when you're playing. Sure. I mean, it's a way you score in a lot of different games, yeah.

You just got to get the ball in the hole. Get the ball in the hole. I have yaba. Can I tell you a weird time thing that I really liked, and you guys will remember how often he did this? At 516, I remember telling Ken Jenkins early in Scrubs that one of my favorite things

that he was great at doing, I think an actor had told me once that it's very hard to fake laugh, you know, sometimes, you know, and Ken was so good at doing a raucous, believable laugh that when he turned away, it immediately stops. And you know how fake it was.

My favorite one ever was when you guys changed the sign of Sacred Heart to Sacred Fart in a different episode. And Ken Jen Jenner, is able to go, have you guys seen the sign? But seriously, but seriously, we shouldn't banalize it. And this was one of the first ones that he did that, because I said, Ken, my favorite thing is when you laugh raucously

and it's obviously fake, and then you turn and lecture one of these guys, and he turns in immediately lectures Donald about that older woman in there. By the way, I have a question, I have a sincere question about Ken. when you put him on the show, were you aware of how funny he could be? No, man. You had no right, okay. No, he was Barry Boswick.

When we hired Barry Boswick, he was known as a dramatic actor on Spin City. And I thought Ken, he had been on home front and in these great John Sales movies and always as a judge, always as a colonel, Hiroshima. He would explode your DVR. I go, what a good, bad guy.

And he'll just be an amazing dramatic actor. and he'll say, you know, ridiculous stuff very straight like Barry did. But then he was so funny and so clever and such a good actor that he was the character that we had to change the most because we were underutilizing him. You know, we had him as a cliche, and then he became more kind of rounded out. We look back at the show now,

and there are three characters that really stick out for me, and maybe because they were always in my peripheral and not necessarily people who, And I take that back. I worked with Judy a lot. But Judy, Ken, and Sarah. Holy shit, dude.

Yeah. I watch the show now, and I'm blown away every fucking episode. Sarah, look, I would have, I get why freaking dudes would be like, so what's up with Sarah Chalk? Yeah. And called the set to try and come by.

Dude, I had no. The landline. Right. When we were making the, but, And we were making the show I had no clue. I had no, I didn't pay attention to any of this stuff. I didn't pay attention to what Ken was doing.

I'm in scenes with Judy and I'm not thinking about, holy shit, this girl is fucking running circles around me. And I'm sitting here, I'm sitting there just trying to freaking, I'm on a hit show, I'm doing my thing, you know what I mean? The three of them, oh my gosh, I had, when I look back at it now, I'm like, I really wish I would have paid it. attention because there are so many great lessons to be learned from them. All you guys were assassins, man.

It's, uh, you know, you're selling yourself short, Donald. No, I'm, listen, I, I, I, I, I'm well aware of the, of the, of the, of what's happened because I've been on scrubs. I'm well aware of, you know what I mean? And, and, and I've learned how to, you know, I've learned a lot from doing the show. I think I could have learned a little bit more if I would have just been a, uh, less egotistical and paid attention to my castmates because those three just,

like I paid attention to Johnny, I paid attention to Zach, and I paid attention to myself, but I didn't pay attention to those three. I agree with Donald in that, in that going back 20 years later and watching this, you see things you didn't see at all. And I totally agree that, you know,

we watched the episode, if you weren't in a scene with someone, I don't know how many times you watched Donald, but I probably only watched the episode once when it aired, when it aired, I would, you know, and so you never really studied it. And now kind of going back with this podcast being the purpose of it, you see like, holy shit, look what Sarah's doing. Like, well, like, she's really good.

She's really good in this episode, too. I would even extend it to one of the coolest things about doing a hospital show, as you guys have made me look at it again. And you set it with Rich Kind was the opportunity for actors and actresses to come in and be patients and know that they had one scene that they were going to get to try and knock something out of the park. and as you guys have made me revisit this, the amount of people that absolutely surprised me in an individual scene when it's like, hey, you're not really even part of the cast. But even though that kid that ended up

getting a sitcom in the finale, when you tell him he had Huntington's disease, Zach, you know, his name is Josh something, you know, Josh Cook, Josh, I don't know. But yeah, there's just so many patients. You're else furiously typing, which means we'll know soon. There's so many patients, you know, Rich being one of them, like Donald pointed it out, when it's like, oh, funny, funny,

and then when Richard Kine goes, you can say what you want, but I knew you were messing with me. And you were, you know what I mean? And it's so poignant. You're like, ooh, that was one of my favorite things about this show, man. Well, one of my favorite poignant moments, Bill, is when Rob says, dude, what were her boobs like? Todd, I'm standing right here. And he goes, I'm sorry, what were your boobs like? All right.

No, sorry, let me redo that. He goes, sorry, what are your boobs like? you guys have to know that this episode, and I wanted to give you some trivia, was the absolute most debate we ever had about, you know, how do we have to define Todd as a real character in the writer's room? Okay. And I'll tell you why. Because he chases the ball. Because he becomes a dog. Yes.

He's supposedly the best surgeon in the hospital, but he chases an invisible ball. And by the way, and it was already a problem. because he, in your fantasy, when he's fighting that older woman, we then said, and as Todd is always horny, that should end with them furiously making out, which is also, so it's, it's to me in this episode, he's going to be a sexual harassment pre, Me Too. He's going to have an intense sexual relationship in a fantasy with an older woman. And then he's going to be a competent surgeon that also fetches tennis ball. And we fought for it for days, but Bill, when he wrestles that woman, I laugh. I was belly laughing. It is so fucking funny. I'm assuming she was a senior citizen stunt woman because they're really wrestling. Like, he was throwing her around.

Yes. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Well, yeah, because she does the car smash and everything. Yeah, she definitely. And then they made out. We should ask Rob if there was tongue involved in that. He made out with her arm.

Also, by the This is, ask him, ask him. All right, Rob, it's time for another segment of Ask Rob. No, Todd Talk, Todd Talk. Oh, sorry. It's time for another episode of Todd Talk, Dan, some little jingle that you come up with, Todd Talk. Rob, what was it like making out with that senior citizen?

And was their tongue involved? Was her breath nice? Tell us what that scene. Did you sort of summon the angst of wrestling her into a kiss. To wrestle the old lady, it felt good, natural. Just felt right. You haven't really lived until you wrestled a gilf to the ground and gilded her lily.

Nice little open-mouth smooch there at the end to seal the deal. Guilf five. The Tata Pruse. Thank you, Rob. Thank you, Rob. And Rob, thanks for obviously preparing that because it felt like you worked on it and that you wrote it out ahead of time. I loved it.

I know he always writes out his answers But maybe he's doing his best I will tell you I'm jumping ahead I'm jumping ahead But the argument started Zach With originally the scene With Todd

Is You had a tennis ball On your hand anyways And you threw it And that's how you got rid of him And then somebody It's not me I wish I could take credit for it

One of the writers said No J.D should pretend to have a ball ball and throw it and that Todd goes and then Todd brings back a tennis ball and he found somewhere somewhere in the hospital and that became this is a writer's room that became like a two-hour fight of going it's too dumb that JD throws an imaginary ball and that writer was like but that's what's so funny about dogs you can throw an imaginary thing I'll go look for it right like yeah but he's a surgeon and then you call it back later in the in the lobby he goes and chases the ball again

Right, when he tries to do it to the janitor. Right. You know it's funny? Rob does this subtle thing when I'm holding the ball, that he's just kind of like bouncing like a dog would. Like when you get it?

Doing his head movement? Yeah, he's just ready for it. Josh Cook is correct, Bill. Josh Cook was the actor. There you go. So at 704, this is really interesting. And she was a Sarah Lancaster, Gitchcock girl.

Yes, I knew she was back. We were, no one, no one answered me, but I said Sarah Lancaster was back. Bill, this is, I have decided in the eight and half years that I was on this program, it's the most unrealistic thing that you ever wrote was that JD can't seem to get it up for a give shop girl. I feel, it's the opposite of that. I feel that you're just awkward around her because she's stunning and that you just can't, you just can't put your game on. That's why I said. I like that. I like that better. That makes a tiny bit of sense. That makes a lot of sense.

That makes way more sense than you being like, you want to do what? I don't think I can do that. The sauce thing killed me, by the way, Zach. The what? I think it was, I really, I love Italian food. I love, they're so good with sauce. Italian people are so good at making sauce. Just so bad on a date.

He has nothing to say on the date. That's what he's got. Here's a good tribute thing. Here's a good tribute thing. She likes him. Giff Shop Girl is very patient with this guy because he's just, he's boring conversation. He doesn't want to make out. She's really, she's really poor gift shop girl.

Well, she, you know, by the way, this is how TV works. She was one of the only actor-actresses that we wanted in the hallway in the finale that said yes, that then the network NBC since we had left NBC would not allow her to come do that one line in the hallway because she was a regular on Chuck. Are you serious? I'm serious. They didn't allow her or Masioka

to be in our finale. Remember? So Frank, because they were both, one was Chuck and one was heroes. Right. And we had left NBC and gone to a different network. So they were like, nope, can't even be there to wave goodbye.

So late. I remember early on, when Jason Bateman was on Arrested Development and I was on Scrubs, We were all at some fancy event, Bill, and the presidents of the networks were there. And we were all drinking heavily. And not Jason, but you and I think the presidents of the networks were. And we were like, let's just go negotiate this right now.

And I think we like went to the Fox guy. We were like, can Jason come on do a spot on Scrubs? And he was like, sure. And then we're like, okay, good, let's go to the NBC guy. Can I go do a little spot on the rest of development? They're like, sure. And we're like, all right, done. Always ask when people have drinks in their hand.

That's how it happens. We both ended up being able to do cameos on each other's shows. That can go, Bill, that can go bad. That can go good or it could go bad. Oh, yeah. You also sometimes get a very quick no. Right. No.

Or you can end up getting hammered and nouging him like sometimes happens. And nouging the head of the network. Yeah. You know, the most I ever got in trouble for something like that was, you know, I think you guys know you're both actors. You're allowed to do like three guest spots or something by contract on other shows and you always have to ask. And Sarah had done a ton already on how I met your mother because she played Stella, this

character that people thought might be the mom. And Carter and Craig, who loved Scrubs and who in fact probably would have been writing on it, but they created their own show, you know, right when, you know, we were kind of trying to bring them over, called up and said, hey, can Sarah come back on the show and do a bunch of episodes? And I'm like, contractually, I don't think she's going to be allowed to do it. They're like, well, we've written them and we've got to do it. What's the best angle?

I said the best angle is to say I said yes but to tell no one and just have her do them and she and she went and did them and we got a call kind of in the middle of it you know that I was like oh yeah I didn't really you know I had to play dumb and go like I said it was fine because it didn't upset our production schedule and blah blah blah but she wouldn't have been allowed otherwise

yeah but that was a different that was a different network right right how I met your mother was on CBS and and she ended up doing like you're allowed to do three on a show you're not allowed to be a recur character. I didn't like it when she was making it out with Radner. I felt it just didn't feel right to me. Josh Radner and I look a little bit alike, and I just felt like her character was cheating on JD.

He's Shazam now. Do you know that? He got to be a superhero. He's Shazam now? No, no, that's Zach Levy. That's Zach Levi. Oh, yeah. I mixed up. Chuck.

I mixed Chuck. Because we were talking about Chuck. Giff Shop girl hooked up with Chuck. Sarah Chalk hooked up with Josh Radner, whose character I don't even know, his name because I never saw how I met your mother. Did you? You watched it, Donald? No. Dude, I don't watch TV like that.

Oh, okay. Oh, Donald. All right. 1129, Zach, 1129 is also in your top three Prapfalls because you mentioned her is sliding over. My favorite thing about that, can I tell you, is so we thought you could do it anyways, but you did it once in rehearsal,

and it was good looking, but a little slower. And I don't know if you remember this. Back's the hood. I said, said what I think I'd like to do is wax the hood. And they're like, and they were like, that, you know, that could be, that could really hurt Zach. And I'm like, I'm feeling good about waxing the hood. I remember that.

I remember, I did it. I don't even know if it was written, but you and I came up with it as a funny thing, like, in rehearsal, I think. And then you were like, you know, it'd be really funny if we, if we wax the hood. And I think the stunt guys were like, yeah, but dude, he could go flying. He could go like, 20 feet. Yeah, Bill's like, I feel good about it. I'm going to tell you something right now

That moment reminds me of like You know your favorite movie Like in your favorite movies At the end of the movie The hero runs and jumps over the door And jumps into the car and stuff like that And it really looked like it was gonna be one of those moments The only problem with it was

Was the pad was just a little too high Yeah I know See him bounce Yeah you see you bounce Well not if you're not looking for it I mean If you're not looking for it you don't get I couldn't do that.

I couldn't have done that without a fucking pad, dude. In my head, in my head, and it would have been great because we would have used it. There was a small chance that he was going to, with the wax, overshoot the pad. And just cartwheeling the cement. I laughed out loud because I yell. I go, telly-ho. What's so funny about it is, A, I'm trying to make this Elliot jealous, and I'm trying to look good for give shop girl.

and I just humiliate myself in front of both. I love that. It's so funny. It made me so happy. You guys mentioned, oh, by the way, there's one of our best cowboy switches at the 12-minute mark when Kelso stuntman rolls out of the car.

Yeah, you're going too fast. You're going too fast, Bill. I'm sorry. I got excited. I did a lot of time checks on this one, because there's a lot. Listen, to remind the audience what a cowboy switch is, it's when we creatively,

without cutting the camera switch between the stuntman and the real actor. So if you look at that car stunt, the stuntman comes rolling out of a moving car, and he comes far enough towards the camera that he goes off screen and then where Ken was crouching and able to pop right up. And it seamlessly looks like Ken did the stunt. And that was really good. I don't know if that was Chris Koch or, well, this is Chris Koch's first episode he directed, and he did a really good job. Chris Koch's great director. He's a great director.

I wanted to mention, I got goosebumps when Johnny C. tells Richard Kine that he's sick. I thought that was so powerful. And he kind of has to eat crow and go, holy shit. Look at this chart. You're sick. And Richard Kine with a really interesting moment, you can tell he probably secretly didn't want to be sick.

He likes, you know, he likes the attention of being a hypochondriac, but he never looks forward to being sick, you know? Yeah. I really like that. Yeah, that was, to watch Richard is a lot of fun

because you don't know when it's coming. You really, really don't know when it's coming. Like, on the show, we've gotten to the point where we're going to, you know there's a setup coming. You know something's going to happen. And when it happens, Richard even plays it off like, oh, okay. And then it sinks in and it hurts. And he's like, oh, shit, I'm, I'm sick.

Yeah. And, you know, his fakeouts in the show are great. Like, later on, he'll come back. And he and I have like two episodes, I think, together. Yeah. I love that courtroom scene, too. I mean, you know, the scene around the table where Sam Lloyd, RIP, you know, has what I think is the greatest pratfall, even kudos to Zach in Scrubs history on that one. That one's pretty amazing.

What's that one? That's when Sam Lloyd is so hard to do is arguing with Joanna Margoe is in Donald, and he gets very sweaty. And he said, I said, you have to figure out a way to knock yourself out. and Sam said, my hand sweat is going to make me slip on the table and I'm going to slam the side of my face into this table and then fall off screen. And there was no pad. He just did it. It was, it's fantastic. He crushed that. I assumed that there was some trick to that. I didn't know he just did it. There is no trick except we said you have to do it hard enough that when we add the sound effect, it looks painful.

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And our guest is here. Give it up for Anthony. Who wore a suit? Oh, really? That makes me happy. Fondervous applause, Dan. Oh, nice. I was, I thought that Oprah didn't do the Oprah voice anymore,

and therefore I thought it was funny that I was bringing the Oprah Winfrey show voice back. But she still does it. When did you decide to not do the Oprah voice? What are you talking about? No, I'm not saying. No, he thought he was paying homage to something that's over, but she still does it. She still does it. Oh, where have you heard of Oprah's feet?

So I watched CBS this morning in the morning, I watched CBS in the morning, and Gail King's on it, and Gail King and Oprah are best friends, and they just had a book club thing. Like, they still continued some of the things that Oprah did on her show, and Oprah had a book club segment on CBS this morning, and she did it. And I was like, holy shit, I sound like Oprah. So ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Anthony! Anthony, how are you? Thank you so much, time.

Welcome to fake doctors, real friends. Thank you, Zach. It's such an honor to be on. We really appreciate you having us on and it's such a great opportunity. Why are you saying us? Is it a royal weed? Are you, are you royal? No, no.

My apologies. My apologies. My wife is upstairs and, you know, of course, I share everything with her. As you should. As you should. They don't know your story. So do you want to tell it to them? Anthony tells us.

Oh, this is exciting. Thank you. Thank you. It's something that's great in part. Other ways, it's not. But, you know, part of the reason we reached out was we really loved how authentic scrubs was and how you made all of the characters, you know, your own. Each of you did in such a great way that, you know, last year, my wife and I actually lost a little girl a couple weeks before she was due. And we had a tremendous experience with the doctors and nurses that were at the hospital and helped us through that whole process that we started, you know, working on a project and actually are working on what's called a bereavement room right now with the hospital that we, we lost her little girl in in the Cleveland, Ohio area. and so from that respect, you know, when I rewatched all of scrubs, I went through it in about a week and a half earlier this year. It just made me think about how, you know, how much we appreciated all that the doctors did. And again, that authenticity that you all brought to all of the show. And, you know, we are, we're thankful for that. We really appreciate being able to come on to the show here today.

if it's okay to plug, you know, the fundraiser that we're working on with Cleveland Clinic to kind of do this initial room. Yeah, tell us, wow, I think you caught us all speechless. We're so sorry for your loss. But please tell us more about it because I think everyone's interested to know what you mean by, I think I know, but just tell everyone what the cause is and what a bereavement room is. Yeah, yeah. No, thank you. Thank you. So the cause is for parents who have, you know, what we call stillbirths, which is generally anybody who loses a child after 20 weeks, but in any case, anybody who loses

a child is obviously a tough thing or any family member, which is why, again, we've appreciated everything, and I know I keep saying we, but my wife and I have appreciated listening to this show and how much you've shown caring for the essential workers, all the people out there who are trying to help support each other in this tough time. But for our bereavement room specifically, it's meant for people who go through a similar loss to our own, where it creates a home-like space for parents. So that way, for the little time that they get to hold their little ones,

they get to make it feel a little bit more like home and have bonding moments that just get to, I think, emphasize even more the great care that they get from the doctors and the nurses who help them go through that. And so our goal is to create that space in the hospital and do it through a website called give.cf.org backslash the butterfly suite. And the butterfly suite is the concept that my wife and I came up with that we're hoping starts at this hospital and can expand nationwide because it's not something that really gets to too much press or notice when people lose children, but it is something that we know, you know, happens more often than anybody cares to really recognize. So, Anthony, my understand, because I've never heard this

before, when parents have a stillborn, are they usually given the opportunity to spend some time with the baby? It's actually changed a lot in the last few years, thankfully. It used to be that no, most of the time a mother and father would never even hold or get to know their child. It would just kind of be taken out of the room and, you know, go through whatever burial a parent wanted to do. But now, thankfully, they have something called co-cots, which help keep the child cool and keep off some of that process that that happens after you pass and in our case we spent about eight or ten hours with our daughter before we we kind of gave her over and we were we were very thankful for that we even got family photos and other things that organizations are now coming out

and helping out with a lot of that stuff where a few years ago even you might not have spent any time with your child wow was that was that I'm sorry I'm just I'm so moved by this. I've got tears in my eyes. I don't even know what to say. But was that something that you and your wife had to quickly discuss if you wanted to do that? I imagine it would be hard for some people. They would say, I don't know if I could handle that. I mean, as I'm listening to, I'm thinking like, gosh, would I be able to handle that? Yeah, it's definitely a whirlwind, but thankfully we were able to have some time through the delivery process.

It still took us about a day to have our daughter, that we were able to think through some of those things. And the nurses, that's where I say we had terrific care, where the original resident that we had, he was the head resident, but he, you know,

came in, asked us our daughter's name, and would constantly repeat her name. Anytime we were talking about delivering her, the nurses helped us through that whole process that they asked us, you know, do you want to do this or do you not? And they kind of helped give us guidance and get us a lot of momentos and other things that we will cherish for the rest of our lives. So it is an interesting item that, yes, it happens very quickly, but through the care and support of those people that we've mentioned, they absolutely helped us do that as best as we could.

Anthony, man. Hey, I'm Bill. Nice to meet you. How you doing? Look, the coolest thing and why I find you so inspiring is the main reason that we wanted to do this show was because I'm much older than you. Those you that can't see, Anthony, he's a very young, handsome man. It's annoying. It's right.

He looks good. He looks sharp. But when I was a kid, you used to have a question. that doctors and nurses, you know, your parents would want you to be a doctor to be rich because you can golf all the time and make tons of money. And when we started this show, it wasn't about being a doctor to be rich anymore. It was to if you went into that industry being a nurse or a doctor is because you wanted to be of service to people, you know.

And one of the things I'm witnessing right now that I find inspiring in a very cynical time are I don't begrudge anybody that's feeling beaten down right now or that is very close to feeling like they should give up. But what's amazing is when you meet someone like you that goes through something with your wife and then decides to be of service to others, you know, and I find that very inspiring amongst people. And specifically young people like yourself, it gives me optimism in ways that I don't otherwise always have it.

So thanks, man. It's very, very cool. Make sure you mention the website again at the end because it's a tough one to remember. We will. And Joelle will put it on the, on a, on. our page so people can click on it. Absolutely, I will. I'm sorry.

Anthony, I'm so sorry, man. You just caught me so off guard, man. No, I apologize. You guys were having a good time and I just No, no, no, no, no, no. It's sobering. It's sobering, like Donald said. Joelle, what we said?

You have some positive news, Anthony. Do you want to, well, one piece of news, how close are you to your goal for the bereavement room? Well, we're very close. So we were aiming to raise about 25, $5,000 and we're a little over $21,000 raised already. And so we're very thankful for all the support that people have provided as it is. Well, let's get it over that.

Let's try and get it over that. Now, Anthony, will you be turning, I assume the hospital has said yes to this and there's a room for it, but it's going to cost roughly that to convert the room? Is that what it is? Yeah. So it's that plus what we're aiming to do is getting like a full-size bed versus kind of a twin-sized hospital bed in there. So that way, you know, mom and dad can sleep together or mom and mom, dad and dad, however it is set up. But, you know, in addition, having a music player,

a crib, certain types of things that, again, make it feel like home. And yes, there is a space already at the hospital that parents will be able, they'll be able to convert right now and utilize. Because we talked longer term about building a space, but this is maybe a good, medium for the time being. All right. Well, let's give that website another shout out. Yeah. Say it again for us. Go ahead. Please. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. It's give.

ccf.org backslash the butterfly suite. Okay. Now you have one last piece of information, but I don't know if you want us to share it to all of our listeners or if we know. That's okay. We are so cute. We are thankful that my wife and I are expecting again and we're doing

Wait, when do you do? Towards the end of October. That's awesome. Congratulations. Dude, it will not change your life at all, I promise. Having a kid, it's just, it's the exact same for you guys as a couple. It's going to be no difference. I'm joking obviously.

You know how you guys go out all the time and you, well, not now because of COVID, but you know how you guys have all of this time to yourself and stuff like that? It'll stay that way. No, it won't. No, it won't. Congratulations, Anthony. That's a happy ending. And I just want to say, I'm so moved by people like you who go through something like this

and then turn around and go, how can I make a difference for the next person who has to do this? I just think it's heroic of you to go, okay, this happened. How can we make a difference for the next couple? I just think that that's very moving to me. And I just want to give you accolades for that. And then I all, we know we're not the only ones for sure.

And there's been so many people who have helped support us because they've gone through the experience before that we feel it's just that we try to do the same. And again, thank you all for bringing it together a show like you did that gave authenticity that I've heard so many stories of how many people you've inspired to become doctors that. that it's tremendous as well. So thank you all. Anthony, I also want to tell you, I feel a connection to you

because I can tell by the way that you said, we all the time, that you're also like me, you're a little afraid of your wife, and you would get in massive trouble if you didn't. So tell me, tell me, again,

what's her name, just so we remember. Yeah, her name is Megan. And, you know, we are a partnership. So we try to do everything together,

but you're right, there's always a little bit of fear. Bill, you might want to try that out. Bill, you might want to try out being a partnership. I have too much fear. Yeah, fear is healthy, though. Antity said a little fear. Both of these men are terrified of their wives. I have a big blanket of fear.

Fear keeps you married forever. That's what you say. That's a good t-shirt. That's a good t-shirt for the merch shop. We have a partnership like the way that, like, police officer and whoever was in, in jail have a partnership. You know what I mean?

Like that, not I'm joking. I think that's awesome. What do you guys do out there, Anthony? What are you and what are you and Megan do? So I'm a financial advisor and I work with people helping them, you know, try to get to secure retirement. And my wife actually runs a non-for-profit modern dance company here in the Cleveland area.

That's what's up. Megan got rhythm, y'all. Oh, my God. By the way, I need to know right now, are you in my eyes? Hell, Anthony, did you guys have to do a first dance at your wedding that Megan just slayed it and that you had to take lessons for weeks in advance just to be passable? Luckily, she did not want to be overzealous like that. Oh, good for you. Yeah, it chill. You know, everything was good that way. But I did in college, we went to college together.

I actually took her ballet class for one of the semesters that we were in there. Oh, that was a fun experience. Is that how you guys met? I was about to say that's very smooth if that's how you met. No, we actually met in high school. Oh, man. Followed her in college or she followed you? It's more I probably followed her. Yeah, yeah.

Or it's all that. We had this conversation earlier. We had this conversation about this episode. You know, we talk about it all the time. Guys get heavily invested. Girls are the ones that are like, I'm going to college and I'm going to go do my thing. Maybe I'll see you when I get back.

Yeah. You were like, oh, no, no, no, no. I can't wait until you get back. I'm going to college with you. You're right on there, Donald. I don't even feel like we should. I don't know if you even have a question. I don't know.

I'm tongue-tied. Anthony, do you have a question? You're good. You're good. I had a couple of them, if you guys wouldn't mind me. Yes. Go ahead. Yeah, you have the creator, the whole darn thing here, Bill Lawrence.

So go ahead. Well, the first one, I think, was similar to how our experience went where we were so thankful for the hospital staff. And that really, I think, transformed how we felt about the whole experience. Of course, we still have a lot of feelings. And we just wondered, though, if each of you maybe had any similar types of experiences that you felt or went through and wanted to share. You guys go first. You want me to go.

The real one, you go, Zach. I'll go first. I've had a lot of death in my life over the last couple years. I lost my sister and my father. And then of course, just recently on Nick Cordero, although because of COVID, I wasn't really allowed to be a part of the hospital experience of losing Nick at all. And I just, I mean, I could go on for a whole podcast about my feelings about the staff in both instances.

But I'll just say that until I had these. experiences, I didn't really realize the difference that a great doctor and a great nurse make. And it's funny to say that because we did a TV show about it for nine years. But until you have the experience where a nurse does a subtle thing that makes my dad smile or puts up with him when he's complaining and then gives me a little bit of a sweet smile, it just makes me still this day when I put my hands on my heart. And I'm blessed that I didn't have that experience before Scrubs,

but it would have informed it more because I saw firsthand the difference that love coming from these people makes. And like Bill said, this used to be huge money-making jobs. They're not anymore. People aren't doing this for dough anymore. They're doing it out of service

and of the desire to help people. So, yeah, I really, I really, and so invested. One thing I do know about Nick's case is that Amanda told me that when the doctor, when Nick finally passed, his doctor was crying alongside her. That's how invested he was in his well-being. And so, yeah, in short, those are my recent experiences. And I'm very, very moved by your story.

and I'm just so happy that there are people out there that want to do this with their lives. Yeah, you know, knowing that there are people out there, you know, Zach's right. You know, this was a job. Being a doctor was a job that if you stayed the course and got into private practice, it would make you a lot of money. And knowing that people are still doctors and aren't making money, like when I go to my pediatrician and take my kids to their pediatrician and stuff like that, and knowing that he's not making a lot of money off of us and everything like that,

but he cares for my kids so much. It really puts me at ease, you know what I mean? The fact that I can call him whenever I want to and he'll pick up the phone, it really puts me at ease. And to all, everyone in the medical field, that's one thing that's so important. I know that they deal with traumatic things often, and they put up a barrier and a shield to keep them from,

feelings, but to find a doctor like Zach was talking about who is so invested, it's heartwarming. It's really important. And, you know, I've been very lucky in my life to meet people who genuinely cared about myself and my family in the medical field. And so, field. And so because of that, yeah, that, I mean, that's my experience. I'll go last, Anthony, and I'm always tempted to have. the real JD listened to this because he was my best buddy in college.

He was a screw up. We drank beers together. And when he decided to do this, he's a much better person than I am. And I'm not saying I'm a bad person, but like a lot of young men, I started pretty shallow. And it's so important to stab someone in your life that is trying to do more important shit, whether it's being a doctor or a nurse or a teacher, you know, something of service. And it meant so much to me that these guys got to know him. And I always remember that when we started this,

a guy that I never saw as having the level of depth and integrity and the big heart that he had, he gave us all his real stories. If you watch the pilot of scrubs, he hid in the closet with a female intern because he didn't want to be the first one into a code. He married another physician named Dolly Clock, who he did his residency with.

He accidentally hit somebody with a needle that caused a hole too big so that it kept leaking out and squirting out, like when Donald put gum on the guy. And he did all those things, and he was always around the set. He's now a cardiologist and a heart surgeon, and he runs a COVID command center in Los Felas himself. He's the CEO of the hospital. And the one rule he had, he said,

you guys are allowed to do any jokes that you want, but you have to protect one thing, or I'll stop working here, It's all these young doctors and nurses want to help, and they have to always want to help, and they have to always care about the patients. Otherwise, it'll mess up our friendship. And so I always, it's too corny, but I see this show as a love letter to that dude. Because we all need that person in your life, you know, that when they ask you what you're doing, you're like, oh, I'm doing this superficial thing. And when you ask them what they're doing, they tell you.

And then you're immediately like, oh, I'm a horrible person. I need to do so much more with my life. And he is that guy for me, Anthony. And that's why it was so inspiring to hear you talk about doing the same type of stuff, man. You guys got to have the real JD as a guest on this sometimes. Yeah, we would love that. We would love that. We should.

We got to move him ahead of others. Except Anthony, do you have anything else? Anything else, Anthony? I could do a slightly more uplifting question. Yeah, and let's go. End us on some upliftingness, Anthony. So with that, guys have talked about some great stories

of the props guy hiding Rowdy, you know, the Boone-Hick that I have in the Banaka. Yeah. Who is your favorite non-actor member of the team and maybe what's a fun story about them? Oh, shoot.

Okay, so I have a couple of them. One, Bill Lawrence is the best boss that I've ever had in my life, dude. So much so that he's now, I now consider him family. You know what I mean? But he is the one person in my life that I've worked for that I never felt like, you know, and he's had to be hard on me sometimes, but he never made me feel like, you know,

I was an employee and he was my boss and he was making me do my job. He's always made me feel like an equal. So because of that, he's one of the, he's one of the, he's one of the, he's one of the, of the most important people in my life as a man now. There's my parents. And until I met Bill, I feel like I was kind of lost. And then I met Bill. And now I've learned so many things because of it.

Your answer is Bill? That's too nice, man. That's too nice. I'm excited for Zach's answer to me, Bill. I know it's very sweet, but how the fuck's my answer not going to be Bill now? No. So that being said, that being said. Oh, that was like, then there's a comma coming. That being said, there's one...

It's the teamster named Frank. Right. There's one guy on the show who, all of us, Bill included and Zach included, who we all have a fondness for, and it's this dude Patrick Bolton. Yeah, we mentioned him in the last episode, yeah. And we love everybody that we've worked with. I love everybody that I've worked with on Scrubs, but Patrick Bolton has a special place in my heart.

Him and Deonté Gordon, actually, too. Deonté has a special place in my heart. But Patrick has a special place in my heart because when we first started doing the show, he, I'm not going to say he was bullied, but he was the person that was not made fun. What's the word that? He was the person that was, I guess, the most vulnerable to pranks. No, you have to think of it like this. Like, think of it like a high school.

And like the grips are like the jock, tough guys. Right. And like Patrick is like the nerdy. British chess player. Right. And these guys tried their hardest to break him. And he always came out on top. Well, then he became our best friend. Right. Well, that too. But I remember they, one time, they jellowed his prop cart.

Like in the show The office with the drawer, they jellowed his whole cart. The whole thing. That's impressive. But he got But his comeback He ate that jello I'm just kidding No His comeback was better

Than all of them He dressed up like the dude Who jelloed his shit And clown this guy So hard That I think even I think even Sean was like

You know what I respect you dude You are He played him all day As All day He got in character And played

That guy all day long Yeah That's so funny So if you ask me, you know, we all had great connections. Bill is very important to me. Patrick is very important to me. Well, I'm going to say the same thing. Yeah, everything Donald said about Bill, Bill's great.

But I'm just kidding. Zach, are you free after the podcast is over to tell me your answer in a more fold-out way about me? It's got to be as good as Donald's. I'm going to take what Donald. I wrote down, I took some notes on what Donald said. I'm going to say the same thing, but just probably add a few things. Well, you'll probably say with more big, with bigger words, too. Yes, Martin.

I'll use college and educated. I'll say, Bill, you are deserving. Bill, you are deserving of that phrase. Patrick Bolton, I got to say. It's the same answer. He was a set dresser. We mentioned this in the last episode, but for those of you who didn't hear or don't know, a set dresser is the one who's the onset representative of the art department while

we're filming. So he's moving set pieces around and moving decor around. And so he was always there. And we just got really close with them. and he's a very sweet guy and he's very funny. And Donald and I took him to Vegas. And we've had a lot of adventures with him. Dude, he worked on a show that I did after.

And I was trying so hard to get him to be a regular on a show. But he was doing, did he do on datable? Yeah, he was there for a second. He was doing something with Bill that he was like, oh, I can't do this. I'm just day playing for a day. Yeah, he was like one of the best. Like, if I was in a position to hire someone, for just to be around.

He's one of those people. Like, he's one of those people that you need. Like, he could take it. He could give it. Like, there's just so many ways that he was such an amazing person. Yep. I will close by going quick and saying that we are very lucky, because it starts with Randall, my old partner,

and you guys love him. And he's not my first one. But Randall put together a crew that I was used across so many shows because let's face it, how many shows have you guys worked on that right now I can go, Liz, Inwood, Sean, the Chung brothers, Ethan, Tanya, you know, Carrie Bennett, Sylvann, you know, Richard Well, you guys remember all these people. All of those names, I know exactly who you're talking about. You know, and it just keeps going and going and going.

But for me, the most interesting one, and it might surprise you guys, was the editor of Spin City was a very gruff guy, um, named John Michelle. And he taught me on Spin City. I just remember it. Gary Goldberg, who is my mentor, brought me into editing. He's like, John, I'm not going to be living in New York.

You've got to teach this kid to edit because I didn't know how to edit anything. And John in front of me said, Jesus fucking Christ, because it's like the last thing you wanted to do. He had won Emmys for editing the original Cosby show and all these other things. And he taught me to,

he's a very kind of, you know, subdued quiet dude. taught me to edit on that show. And he became a mentor of mine. And watching you guys kind of embrace him as part of the family meant so much. And my favorite memory is everybody, this happens in a weird way. Everybody calls people by, sometimes you'll run into a person that you call them by their first and last name. And I think, I can remember as a cast member of one of the writers, but I always referenced

him because there was a John Inwood. I would always say, yeah, and I was with John Michelle. And a huge group of people on that show thought, that he must have like French origins. Like his name was like, his name was Jean-Michel. I thought he did. Jean-Michel. His name was like Jean,

his name is Jean-Michel Jones. And watching him finally to one of the writers go, enough of this fucking shit. My name's not Jean-Michel. My name's John. My last name's Michelle. It may be so. And he's like, he's like,

everybody around here has been calling me Jean-Michel for two years. It may be so happy. But he's such a good dude. Zach used to call him Jean-Michel all the time. Jean-Michel! I thought he was friends. Jean-Michel. And the funny thing is he's like this, like, you saw him, he was in the show.

He was the neighbor that gets mad when Donald keeps putting a rowdy in front of his door. He's like this big gruff guy. And he does not look like a Jean-Michel. No, he was a blue-collar dude that's an editor, man, and is such a meat-and-potatist guy, you know. Well, he directed a couple of episodes, Anthony, of Scrubs also. But when he directed, he did every, like, there was like every 10. there would be 10 takes for each setup, right? So you would be, you would work for, because he's an editor, so he wants everything covered, right?

He didn't even care what you guys were saying. He's just like, I'm going to need this, I'm going to need this, I'm going to need this, yeah. Now, normally if a director comes in and says that shit, you're like, all right, hold on now. Okay, I understand you want to, you want to shoot the shit out of this, but we got to have some. No one would stand up to Jean-Michel. John Michelle would be like This is what we're doing And everybody would be like

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what we're doing. You got it, dog. Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely. He, by the way, he never had a sentimental I'll tell you the last thing And it's way too many stories. He didn't have a sentimental bone in his body, it seemed. He was very gruff and not a sweet guy.

And I was married very young In a marriage that didn't work out as opposed to the one Anthony, you know, now I've been married for 20 years. I got three kids. And on Spin City, I was working there all the time. and I didn't even live in the same state as my wife. We were married when I was like 23 and she's 21.

And we split up and I was in a bad place. And I went home to my little studio apartment in New York. And there was a knock at the doorbell. And much like it would happen in high school, John Michelle there was the six pack of beer. And he's like, yeah, you and I are going to go walk somewhere and drink beer, which is his way to say like, are you okay? Do you mean?

And he didn't really ask me if I was – He didn't ask me if I was okay. We literally went out and drank six beers, three each, and he talked about sports. And then at the end, he was like, you good? I'm going to see it work tomorrow. I'm like, yeah, I'm all right. He's like, all right, good night, man. And it was so, that's why I mentioned his name.

So touching, and I hope he hears this. I'm forever grateful. Very sweet. All right, we've got to go, Anthony, because we've gone longer than we've ever gone. Bingo! But what a show. Somebody just went like this. Bingo!

Why? Is that one of the bingo car? things. Yeah, absolutely. We've gone long. We've gone long. It's such an honor to meet you all. And if you're doing your European tour sometime in the 2028 time frame when COVID's gone,

and you stop in Cleveland, feel free. You were happy to have you guys over. We're going to come to Cleveland. Are you in Cleveland? Are you in Cleveland? He said he's in Cleveland. I thought he said Cincinnati. Dude, have you eaten Maribels?

No, I'm sorry. No, Mabel's. Yes. Delicious. Yes, so good. the best barbecue I've ever had in my life. Have you ever eaten slimers? Yeah.

Slim. Is that it? Slimins. That's the biggest sandwich I've ever eaten in my life, dude. Have you guys ever eaten there? Nope. My wife is running long. We probably cut what Donald likes to eat in Cincinnati out of the show. No, no, Cleveland.

If you're in Cleveland, if you're in Cleveland, Mabels and Slimans, I promise you, you won't go wrong, especially if you like red meat. Okay. Thank you guys so much. Anthony, thank you, and we'll put the link to the website on our page

so anyone who wants to contribute can. And thank you so much. And we're all very excited for you and you're coming baby. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Anthony. Zach, we've been going so,

he is what an inspiring guy. We're going so long. Do you want to rattle off a bunch of times, a bunch of remaining times of stuff like that? I just want to say you can't not talk about Dr. Yanni tour. it's some people's favorite thing ever. You have to, dude.

1845, Dr. Jan Eitor. Jan Eitor. That's huge. Jan? And what about how Neil goes, look, I borrowed some stuff from your locker, our locker. That was not scripted, by the way.

That's just a classic Neil Flan. Like when Donald says watching other actors, I know that that stuff was just, I borrowed some stuff from your locker, which is supposed to be funny because he can get into your locker, that he changed it midline to our locker. Locker, it kills me.

Yeah. What about when I go, when I go, Sarah says something like, oh, it's going great, right? And I go, yeah. And then the voiceover goes, throw her down on the gurney and mount her like a lion. Like a lion. That was a very Woody Allen reading. McDonald usually points those out. Yeah, it was a Woody Allen reading.

Mount her like a lion. I loved, I loved, first time we hear it, chocolate bear. Why so sad chocolate bear? Why so sad chocolate bear? And then you guys love him. Did you know that? Did you consult some Trevor Wiki? I would never consult Trevor Wiki.

How dare, Zach? I would never consults, I got that first time chocolate bears ever said from Scrubs Wiki. Yeah, I would never Trevor Wiki. What else you got, Bill? I will tell you that I decided that I was going to work with Bob Clendenon again and ended up being a regular on Cougar Town when at 1230, when he's walking out of there with Carla after he, you know,

after he talked to Richard Kine's character, he says, you know, he's talking about the other cancer doctor, and he's like, that guy's a better sense of humor, everybody likes him more. And then he says, of course, he wouldn't be laughing so much if he knew I was sleeping with his wife. You know, and this is the best part. And then in the script, he was just supposed to walk away confidently whistling.

And then Bob Klanden said, I think it would be funnier if my guy can't whistle. And if you watch, He walks away going, who, who, barely blowing Aaron whistling,

I thought was the funniest thing I ever seen, man. That guy is so good as a character actor. I love that guy. I try to put him everything I do too.

I did a, I did a sitcom called The X's, and he came on as a guest star one day. And when I say, from table read to rehearsal, Slade, Slade. Every time.

Every time. I'm surprised they didn't bring him back, on that show as well, man. Like, he just always, always on fire. When he walked in, I was like, yo, this dude's gonna be great. Watch. That guy slays.

Well, thank you, William Van Duser Lawrence, the fourth. Yep. By the way, you know what the most fun about this episode was? I said that you were the third and people said, no, correct. He's the fourth. He's the fourth. Yeah, there's four of them.

I got to say, man, the coolest thing talking to you guys about this stuff is I never know which way it's going to go. And often, you know, you come into these things kind of just searching for something and what you end up doing is discovering things. Come on.

It was all right, it was all right, but I saw it coming. I saw it coming. Shut up. I saw it coming. You waited the whole episode. Ladies and gentlemen, no one does a callback joke better than Bill fucking Lawrence. Come on.

Come on. It's in there. It's in there. It was good. But you waited the whole episode to get it there. That's why he gets paid the big bucks. I'm glad you liked the recap. I'm glad you liked it.

That one was good, dude. That one was good. Listen, we're going to end the show with another song that I found by the Shins. And why are we allowed to use it, you say, Zach? Well, I'll tell you why, because it was written for the film Wish I Was Here, starring Donald Faison as an Aston Martin dealer. I was in that movie? I've been in so many movies. I was in that one?

Yeah, you were in that one. Were you in Garden State? Were you in Garden State? No, no, no, no, no. He hired Method, man. Okay. He hired him. That's right.

That's right. Listen, we love you all. This was an original song. The shit, I'm ready to talk it up. Danny, you ready with the talk up button? Ready. We love you all. Listen to the show.

Tell your friends and subscribe and what do you do. You rate it. Give it five stars. And follow Donald on Instagram. Big thanks to Bill. Bill, big thanks to Bill Lawrence from coming on. Thank you, Bill. It's so fun, guys. Everybody love you both.

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