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Episode Date: May 11, 2021

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The CIA really need your help, Gene. Freeze, Americano! Gene, run! Listen to Fodor's Guide to Espionage on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everybody, it's Zach here, Zach Braff, the co-host of Fake Doctors, Real Friends. I'm sorry to report that we don't have a show for you this week, an original show, that is. We had planned to have the co-directors of Seaspiracy on,

but then we realized it was Mother's Day. We recorded the show Sunday afternoons because Donald and I are both working. And Donald, being the good daddy that he is, had to, you know, spend time with the family and honor his queen, the Casey Cobb, and watch the kids so Casey could have some mom time and all that. became a little difficult. So Joelle has curated an amazing best of sort of thing for this week. And we will be back next Tuesday with the original episode with the co-directors of the documentary Seaspiracy, which you should check out

so you can be current with the conversation. It's a fascinating documentary and it's become quite controversial and I'm anxious and excited to talk to the filmmakers about it because it really had an impact on me.

And I just want to say thank you since I have a moment with Donald not here. You know, I can say anything I want. That's what I'm talking about. Thank you, Donald. Casey, what are your thoughts on me? Zach, I can say anything I want. That's what I'm talking about. Thank you, Donald. Casey, what are your thoughts on me?

Zach, I love you. I don't know if I'm allowed to use the soundboard without Donald present, but we're going to find out, okay? Because he's probably... Daniel, what are your thoughts? You honor me. Okay, I know. From the bottom of my heart, I want to thank all of you for your response to this podcast. We never could have imagined in a thousand years that people would like it so much. And I could never have fathomed how fun it would be. to it every Sunday and made such wonderful new friends, particularly, obviously, Daniel and Joelle, two people that weren't in my life and two people Daniel and I have both grown quite fond of

and extraordinary human beings. And just looking back and sharing these stories with all of you and memories has been so special. I know I've said it before, but we'd never thought that so many people would be interested. So the fact that this has become quite a phenomenon across earth is mind-blowing to us. But please know from the bottom of our hearts that we really appreciate you and appreciate how special the show was to you and how much it meant to you. And also how many of you have been emailing us or I should say DMing us or Instagramming us how much you like the show because we get a lot of joy bringing it to you. To all the mothers out there, I know this is belated because it's Tuesday, but I'm recording this on Sunday. Happy Mother's Day. I know it is very hard to be a mom. And I was blessed with a wonderful mom. And she made such a difference in my life.

A great mom can shape who that child is for the rest of their lives. And my mom certainly did. And I feel so blessed. And I know how hard it is for you moms out there. of their lives. And my mom certainly did. And I feel so blessed and I know how hard it is for you moms out there. Um, so here's me tipping my hat to you and, um, from the bottom of my heart, thank you so much. And lastly, thank you to all of you who checked out Percy versus Goliath. Um, the movie I made with Christopher Walken, Christina Ricci. I, again, we made that movie for very little money. It has, they haven't spent one cent on, on marketing, uh, cause they didn't really have one cent to spend.

And, uh, I, I'm just so surprised and honored. Uh, uh, there you go, Daniel. You honor me. Yeah. I feel you guys honored me by, by, um, by collectively making it number two on iTunes. I mean, for, for a while there, it was second to Nomadland, which is pretty crazy for a movie that has no ads, no billboards, no commercials, nothing.

I think it's a testament to the job that Clark Johnson did. For those of you – a little trivia, the director is the director who directed the pilot of The Wire. That's how talented Mr. Clark Johnson is. All right, I'm rambling. If you hadn't got a chance to check out Percy vs. Goliath, please do. And thank you, thank you, thank you. We are so grateful for you. Please be patient with us. Again, you guys and we all got used to us doing this during the pandemic, but now that we're both back to work, it is a little tricky to schedule with our busy schedules. I'm doing Cheaper by the Dozen and he's been doing Powerpuff Girls. But make no mistake, we love doing this and we're going to keep bringing it to you.

And that's it. Okay, Casey, do you have any last thoughts? Zach, I love you. I get it, girl, but calm down, okay? Donald's not here and it's getting a little weird. What you trying to get into a day or soon? What you trying to do? I could literally just sit here for an hour and a half and ramble like this,

but you guys would probably get bored. Without further ado, here is Joelle. Thanks, Zach. Hi, everybody. First, I want to apologize. If you can hear birds or water dripping, my window is stuck. So this is the best I can do. But I'm so happy to be back with another clip show.

You guys sent in a lot of great suggestions on my Twitter page, and I really appreciate it. So we're going to do two clip shows this week. Our first one is Celebrity Guest Stories About the Industry. We've had so many great people come in and tell us all of these great behind the scenes how to's, basically. How to better audition. How the pros do it. How to make sure you're on set so that you don't accidentally get cut from an improv movie by Oliver Stone. How to uplift your cast

mates by buying them a puppy. And we're going to share all of those stories with you here today. I wanted to start with one of our favorite guests, one Mr. John C. McGinley. Now, Johnny C. came back on in season two. And if you guys remember, we had a bit of a flub where we were supposed to have him on for 209 but he came on for 210 and it was johnny c when the man opens his mouth greatness pours out not is he just a talented actor a wonderful writer he's also a great orator and it begins with zach asking have you ever had a director really push you? All the way to Donald saying, have you ever been so late that you lost a day of shooting? And in between there, we get all these wonderful moments from Johnny C about being in a movie and a play at the same time. And whether you let your understudy go up or if that's bad luck.

And then, of course, his wonderful advice about Platoon. So without further ado, here's Johnny C. Take it away. I have a question for you guys as both an actor and a director. I wish as an actor I would have had more directors push me to be better. I feel like throughout my career, there have been a few. But mostly it's been about stand here the camera's gonna come here do you want to go again because maybe you should be

a little angrier as opposed to like taking me in the corner and being like here i want to put a fucking thought in your head and i wonder johnny because you you can be an intimidating fellow i wonder did mangled was he able able to do that to you? Did he, I mean, Oliver Stone, you've worked with, I mean, you've worked with Fincher, you've worked with the legends of the world. Have these guys been able to do that to you? Have they done that to you?

And of course, Donald, I want to know your answer too, but we'll start with Johnny. Oliver's school of directing comes with consequences. And so if you're doing something that's not, Oliver's school of directing comes with consequences. And so if you're doing something that's not, isn't necessarily what Oliver had in mind, he'll yell from Video Village, which is an area away from the set where the director and the people who are producing the film are watching it.

He'll yell from Video Village, McGinley, walk with me. And that just means you're going to go for a walk and then he tells you that you're subverting my vision and you're

fucking me. Really? And you're like, oh God. He did it in the Philippines. He did it down on Wall Street. he did it he does it everywhere you're fucking me you were better when you i always read actors for him and he goes you were better when you were reading the actors but now you're fucking me and you're like oh my god oh my god horrifying how do you not get it how do you then not spiral johnny because i feel like there's a fine line between taking you in the corner and being constructive and being like, you got this, man.

But I want you to dig deep and do this and being like, you're fucking me. I can't imagine. I would be so spiraling in my head. I don't know. I guess it all started in the Philippines and I just wasn't going to. There was nowhere to go. We were 10,000 miles from home. And so I guess you got to rally.

I don't fucking know. And the opposite of that is Catherine Bigelow on Point Break. You know, we did that opening. Fucking great movie, Johnny. Great fucking movie, Johnny. Remember when it was one of those steady camps? They used to weigh about 80 pounds, and all the big Aussie guys used to be the operators.

And in the beginning of that film, there's about a five or six-minute walk and talk where Keanu and I are doing all the expository, who, what, where, when, how, for the whole movie. We're just spewing, spewing. I don't stop talking. And we did it 36 times. I think she printed like four, 18 and 36. And of course, four was the one that was in the movie. And it's just a wonder. And it's just scrubs made it look second nature because we did those. But at the time when we were doing it, it was a big deal.

a big deal and you know all the way through the bowels of the fbi with this with this steadicam and katherine would just come over and uh she's the single most supportive person in the history of the planet but the bottom line was we're going again she would never say anything to you she would never say anything uh no she's just the greatest she's like you're crushing this you're crushing this i'm like well and i always know when we have it, I swear to God. What about you, Donald? Like when you worked with like Boaz or,

or did, did, did they give you, did you ever get like tough direction, but also that like made you dig deeper? Um, yeah, you know,

uh, Boaz was, uh, was very much, uh, we're going to rehearse, uh, and we would,

we would rehearse and he wouldn't necessarily be there, but he would come and check it out. But he would be like, you guys go rehearse, you know, rehearse amongst yourselves and stuff. And then when we would do the scene, he'd be like, okay, yeah, that's great. Is there anything you want to add to it? I'm trying to think of if there were... I've had directors, I don't want to say their names, I've had

directors be like, you know, you stumbled on that line, there goes your close-up. i've had shit like that before oh fuck you that's not gonna help anybody no it doesn't uh you have to find a way to to i mean my goal when i'm directing someone is all i want is for for you to be great how can i support that uh part of it for me is creating an environment on the set you know scrubs is the ultimate example we had an environment that was so safe to experiment and to and to fuck up and it was you felt so safe you felt the net under under the under the tightrope if you will um so i when i'm

making my projects i try and create that environment again where where you're safe like there's no wrong answer let's play because i think that puts actors in a good headspace um but i'm also making things so fast you know i'm every the three films i've made i have to go so fast that there isn't a whole lot of time to do like what alberstone can do in the philippines and be like johnny let's walk if my producers if ever said to someone like, Natalie, let's walk, everyone would look at me like, what the fuck are you doing? We have a half hour left for the day. That truly is a luxury, man.

It is a luxury. I hear stories about actors and directors going on like 45-minute walks while the crew waits, sometimes two-hour walks while the crew waits, and then they come back and the scene's different, and now we're going to relight it a different way i've heard crazy ass stories about how you know how uh ego gets in the way of making movies and stuff like that stories from um that movie uh what's the well i should probably shouldn't call it what the movie is but i heard stories of a movie star showing up my friend was shooting the movie and he said, you wouldn't believe what was going on.

Like the movie star would show up and be like, all right, well, we're obviously not saying any of this. So should we go talk about it? And it's like, what? Like,

so they would then go on like long, uh, like a, like a minivan ride and like rewrite the day's work. And that's how the day would start. I mean, that gives me anxiety even saying it out loud. Have you guys ever like, it's happened once in my life.

Zach, I know when it's happened with you. Johnny, have you ever been so late in any way that you've caused a day? Well, not a day, but you caused a morning, I should say. The director. Not a fucking chance. Not a fucking chance. Not a fucking chance. Johnny's not late ever.

Johnny's early. Johnny gets there at 5 in the morning and then goes back to sleep. That would never happen, right? Never happened. That happened to me once. Zach, I remember when it happened to you, but it happened to me... Well, mine was an alarm clock malfunction, but go ahead. Bullshit, but anyway...

I told this story on the podcast. Did I ever tell you the Henry Winkler story no please go on okay so i was doing clueless the television show at the time right and henry winkler's directing the next day it's sunday night he's directing on monday um and i'm geeked about it but i also i, I'm 20-something years old, and I live with a bunch of dudes, right? It's me, my buddies, me and literally three other dudes living in the house together. And on Sunday nights, I don't know where it was. I think freaking like Joseph's or some shit like that was going off. You were at the club.

The club was going off, right? And so we went out, and I didn't get home until like 4 in the morning, smashed and hammered, and I pass out. My call time's at 6 a.m. I'm doing Clueless at the time. I wake up, and it's 6.30, and I'm like, oh, shit. Henry Winkler's directing. So I throw on clothes, and I jet to work.

I get there i put on my costume is all in my my trailer and everything i throw on all my shit and as i'm throwing it on i can smell my breath and i still smell the booze on my breath and i'm like oh my god oh my god this is gonna be horrible this is gonna be horrible so i run out of my trailer and i'm starting i'm jetting to set and as i come around the, we were filming on the Paramount lot. And so you have to pass through the big Paramount gates, right? So I come running through the gate toward the set and Henry Winkler sees me, stands up. And it looked like he said to whoever the producer was or the writer was, he was like, that's him.

Yeah, that's him. Okay. He starts walking towards me. And I'm like, oh God, oh shit. Holy shit. You fucking let down the Fonz, shit. And I'm like, oh, God. Oh, shit. Holy shit. You fucking let down the Fonz, bro. That was the first thing I'm thinking. Now, don't even the fuck.

Forget the cast and the crew and everything like that. Fucking Henry Winkler, the legend that he is, is about to fucking give me the business, and I'm going to fucking eat it. Right? And so he comes up to me, and I take a deep breath to not breathe out. So he can't smell this booze on me. Right. And he goes, listen, we're not going to do this. OK, I don't want to I don't want any shit from you. OK, we're not going to we're not going to fucking do this. We're going to do is we're going to go over there. We're going to do the scene. OK, we're going to go over there.

We're going to do the scene. And I could tell he wanted to freaking give me the business, but he was like, I don't know you. I don't want to disrespect you. And I'm pretty sure you don't want to try and disrespect me or anything like that. But come over here and give me your best, right? And it was just like when we did the dance scene on Scrubs where I'm doing the dance to Poison. And I hadn't rehearsed it or anything like that, and I just went in there and I did the dance. Part of it was because I was afraid for my life

that Bill was going to be like, you know, that's it, you're fired. So it was almost the same thing. Like, I'm dancing on a table in the scene, and I jump off the table into a split, right? In rehearsal, I do the shit. Because I'm so, look, the last thing I wanted was to let down, you know, the fonts. And then when I get over there and I see Stacey Dash and Alisa Donovan

and my boy Sean Holland and the crew and all of these guys looking at me and, you know, giving me the face face like i can't believe you fucking let down the fonts and it was like all right well i'm gonna give you guys a show and i did and you know my point is did he ever take you aside and have a talk with you that was a talk it was a quick it was one of those things where it was like i i'm gonna come off like the boss right now and the humbling thing is is that i'm over here and I'm talking to you about this, but you know better than this. I shouldn't have to have

this conversation with you ever. He didn't have to say to me, get your shit together. But it was all in the, I'm not having this conversation with you. You're way smarter than this. You know better than this bullshit. Let's get over here.

Let's do the scene and let's make it right. And I freaking- And then he fucking hit a jukebox.ald did you ever uh almost forget your lines when you were doing that play you did recently yeah you know i had one thing where it was like a bunch of math and stuff like that and the math didn't have to make sense but it had to be quick and uh one night i did i i didn't forget the line. I misspoke.

And I said, oh, excuse me. And then I kept going. And then after I went, it kind of threw the rhythm off for the show for the whole night because I said one line. You know what I mean? And it really is a lesson that when you're doing a show, there's a rhythm to it all. You know what I mean? And if you stick to the rhythm every time, most likely you're going to get a great performance. If you find the right formula and you stick to the rhythm every time and you stick to the formula every time, it's going to be a good show.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And just by me saying, excuse me, it kind of fucked up the rhythm and cues all of a sudden were a little bit late. And you know what I mean? And it was my fault. You know what I mean? And it was just because I said, excuse me. I could always tell when we were doing Scrubs, and especially after about 12 episodes in, from 12 episodes on, I could always tell whether or not Billy Lawrence had done a pass on Cox because he had written and I had

adopted this kind of Martin Scorsese on heroin syncopation for Cox. And I also, sometimes when I was bored, I would start to play with the language a little bit, which was irresponsible, but I get bored sometimes. And if Billy hadn't done a pass, I couldn't memorize the lines because they were written out of rhythm. And Donald, I'm just borrowing from what you said, but Billy would do a pass on Cox. I'd be down in my rehearsal space, killing myself, trying to remember these disconnected fucking rants that somebody wrote. And then I couldn't get them and then

Billy would do a pass and something as as much as Donald you even saying excuse me that was out and then boom the flow and the rhythm and I could come in and I can I can do it in Latin but I until Billy did a pass because I'd get in there and I'd have the hissy fit and I'd say has Billy done a fucking pass on this thing yet? And they're like, no, he hadn't seen it. I'm like, well, don't fucking send it to me. Would that happen? You'd get sent it and memorize it and then it would all be changed?

You must have fucking gotten livid. Every Monday morning. So did you talk to Bill? You must have talked to Bill eventually and said, dude, you gotta fuck, you can't do that to me. of course i did but billy was spinning as many plates as he you know one character among an ensemble of badass seven or eight of you and you know you you try to get billy's attention and you can't can't always do it i would go so not i mean for those of you who don't memorize for a living it's easier for some than others. But these chunks that Johnny had to memorize in a short span of time is really hard because he has to say them so fast as he did so well.

But the idea of spending a weekend memorizing that and then work and there's a rewrite. That's it. Yeah. That's why my stomach even saying that I get a knot in my stomach. yeah that's why you must have loved it when he had no when he had no choice but to go with what was written because we didn't have scripts and so he'd be like yo look here's here's what we're gonna say right now and he would write it while we were doing rehearsals and shit and then he would hand it to you and you'd be like bet no problem because problem. Because he wrote it. It was in Cox's rhythm. It was in that, whatever that syncopation Billy came up with,

it was in that. And I could groove into it in two seconds. Memorization is like a muscle, Johnny, I think. No question. And you really had yours developed well. I think, you know, when I've just finished a play, like I did Romeo and Romeo and Juliet when I was fresh out of school and another one of my early roles.

And, I mean, basically the second you start talking, you don't stop talking for two and a half hours. And I even think thinking about it now, I get anxious this many years later. This was probably to, you know, 1998. But but but by the time the play was over, that muscle was so developed. I could absolutely crush it. the time the play was over, that muscle was so developed. I could just crush it. And I feel like as Cox, you had to do it so on the regular that you really just, you must've had it so dialed. Like now, now that might be harder for you because you're not memorizing monologues every week. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. When I was doing, uh, when I was doing, um, uh,

bullets over Broadway, um, we were in previews and, um, when you're in previews that for those of you who aren't, don't know that that means that the critics haven't come yet you're still working out the play you're still the writer and the director they're changing things all the time and then after opening night then the show is locked so we're in previews and Woody Allen who wrote the play is in the back of the

audience and he's there and he's when a joke doesn't work he would he would give it come the next day and give us a new joke to try that night but sometimes that was really hard because you had the whole play memorized, and he would just hand you a slip of paper. And he'd be like, here, just try this tonight. And you're like, try it? Where? And you're like reading the paper and scribble the handwriting, like try this.

Where does it go? And you'd figure it out. And then sometimes in the heat of the adrenaline of doing a show in front of 1500 people, you'd forget. And I, there was one time I skipped the new joke you wanted me to do. And I saw him the next day and I said, Woody, I'm really sorry. I got a little frazzled and I didn't even try the new joke you wanted me to try. He goes, yeah, you probably get a bigger laugh if you actually say it on stage. Johnny, will you tell that story that I love that you told me once about Platoon, where you said you were all hanging by the pool when you realized that you weren't going to be in the movie? So because the conditions in the Philippines were so tense and so fluid, and we were in something called a triple, and they were fluid because there had just been a revolution.

A guy named Ferdinand Marcos had lost an election to a woman named Cori Aquino, and Marcos wouldn't leave until President Reagan, the president at the time gave him political asylum in Hawaii. So we should, that's why we were postponed. I left, I was doing Hamlet with Kevin Kline at the public and about a week into rehearsal, Oliver calls after the, I'd been cast in the film a year and a half earlier and then the money went away and he called me, he goes, McKinley, do you want to play the fourth lead? I'm like, who the film a year and a half earlier, and then the money went away. And he called me, he goes, McKinley, do you want to play the fourth lead?

I'm like, who the fuck is this? It's Oliver Stone. Do you want to go to the Philippines? And I'm like, I would love to go to the Philippines, but I'm doing, I'm playing third guy on the left in Hamlet with Kevin Kline over at the Public. And he goes, tell Joe Papp that that that it's me I'm like oh sure I'm gonna go talk to Mr. Papp and call him Joe you know it's like the wizard of fucking eyes

and so Rosemary Tischler who was the casting person over at the public at the time and a friend of mine from NYU she came in and taught an audition class to us and she's one of the great great women ever and I I called Rosemary I went went to see her and I said, I got offered this movie. It's in the Philippines and it would mean me would mean me leaving rehearsal but and just like anybody in New York, it'd be like crossing Johnny Friendly and on the waterfront. If she said if you go do this film, you'll never work here again. I would not have gone and done the

film neither would any anybody anybody in new york because once you get in that fraternity slash sorority it's very good shakespeare festival that you stay you keep doing plays and yeah rosemary said well uh you're fine with me but you're gonna have to go see joe and i'm like everybody stop calling him joe and so i go in and he was you know he had a burner and he this guy. He was way in the back of his fucking smoke, and so, you know, I'm knocking like I'm going to see the wizard and the wizard of Oz, and he goes, come in, Matt, come in, and so I go to see Mr. Pat, and I told him my story,

and he goes, go. We'll do Hamlet again when you get back, and I was just like, I'm fucking crying even thinking about this story. I'm so happy they didn't prevent you from going. That would have been horrible. And so I go back. I was living in the funeral parlor at the time, one, the new chair only funeral parlor.

And so I go up five stories and I'm there. And a week or so after I removed myself from Hamlet, there's a fucking revolution in the Philippines. Cause this guy Mar Marcos, won't leave. And so we get postponed for months and months and months. And the play opens and, you know, Vincent Canby calls it the most important Hamlet on these shores.

I'm sitting in the funeral parlor going like, oh my God, I hate my life. I hate my life. And finally, we get the green light to go because the revolution had subsided a little bit, but not that much. And so, and in the meantime, this language had come out. A bunch of actors in New York, about five or six of them, circulated this language because we were going to go through this two and a half, three week boot camp. That if you got hurt in boot camp, you'd get to do the film. And Oliver's like, no, if you get hurt in boot camp, you'd get to do the film. And Oliver's like, no, if you get hurt in boot camp, you get rotated out. You can't be a soldier with a broken arm.

And so I didn't sign it. And the five people who did didn't go to the Philippines. And so I finally get there and only come to find out that it's a very tricky place we're shooting in this triple canopy jungle which meant there was vegetation at 10 feet another vegetation at 20 feet and these monstrous trees at 50 feet so it's very dark and and swampy underneath these these three canopies of flora and we're shooting and there was no shot list because oliver had to change things every day and on the fly which he did brilliantly but the whole there was three squads of eight so there was 24 of us and every day everybody was called to the set and sometimes you just sat there all

day because you you're not the scene you you're not the scene and so it was about a two-hour bus ride out to the place and then you'd sit and you weren't in the scene. And so it was about a two hour bus ride out to the place. And then you'd sit and you weren't in the scene. There's two hours back. And so this happened for a couple of weeks. And so Forrest Whitaker and Johnny Depp and I asked Oliver that if we weren't in going to be shooting that day, could we stay at the hotel? And he acquiesced. And so we're finally sitting by the pool and we got what we wanted and forest. I don't do a good forest imitation, but forest comes over to Johnny and he goes, you ever get the feeling that while we're here, we're not in the movie.

We all started going back to the set every day. And Oliver would put us, Oliver would put us on this mountain about a mile out of the frame. And we, and you weren't even a spec and you'd be back there. And we started calling it power background. And so guys were doing their best Brando a mile up a mountain. And we called it power background. I just love it. I just, i just love that you guys were like

all right fuck this we're not going to sit in the jungle we're going to go sit by the pool and then and then it's like you you forrest whitaker and johnny depp sitting there on your lounge on your lounge chairs with it with a cocktail and then all of a sudden someone has the realization you know he's probably just improv improvising this movie and we're sitting here at the pool and forrest forrest said i wish i could do a forest imitation but he was like if we're here we ain't in the movies and he was right as rain god that johnny c is a legend hi this is shannon doherty host of the new podcast, Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. You may know me from, let's see, 90210, Charmed, Mallrats, Heathers.

Probably also know me from my stage four cancer diagnosis and sharing that journey with so many of you. There's something so authentic about a podcast. It's me connecting, me talking raw in the moment. That's what my goal is to give you, to talk about why I feel that cancer to a certain extent is a gift, what my responsibilities are as a person with cancer, because I think that there's something so much bigger than me. And to be honest, I'm still trying to find out what that is. And maybe together, we'll find it. It's going to be a wild ride. So I hope that you all tune in. Listen to Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey, my name's Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose.

I just had a great conversation with Michael B. Jordan, and you can listen to it right now. Michael is known for his performances in both film and television. His breakout role was in Fruitvale Station, playing Oscar Grant, which earned him widespread praise and numerous award nominations. His portrayal of Killmonger in Marvel's Black Panther, one of my favorites, further solidified his status as one of Hollywood's leading actors, earning him widespread acclaim for his complex and compelling performance. In our conversation, Michael really opens up.

You're going to love listening to it, and I can't wait for you to check it out. The closest to getting what you want is always the hardest. It's always the feeling when you're getting ready to, you know, people give up right before they get what they always wanted to get. People quit. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine you ask two people the same exact set of seven questions. I'm Minnie Driver, and this was the idea I set out to explore in my podcast, Minnie Questions.

This year, we bring a whole new group of guests to answer the same seven questions, including actress and star of the mega hit sitcom Friends, Courtney Cox. You can't go around it, so you just go through it. This is a roadblock. It's gonna catch you down the road. Go through it. Deal with it. Comedian, writer, and star of the series Catastrophe, Rob Delaney. I shouldn't feel guilty about my son's death. He died of a brain tumor.

It's part of what happens when your kid dies. Intellectually, you'll understand that it's not your fault, but you'll still feel guilty. Alt-rock icon, Liz Phair. That personal disaster wrote Guyville. So everything comes out of a dead end. And many, many more. Join me on season three of Many Questions on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite podcasts.

Seven questions, limitless answers. Professional dancer Cheryl Burke has been part of Dancing with the Stars since the very beginning. 26 seasons of the samba, the rumba, and the cha-cha. 24 partners, six finals, and two mirrorball trophies. She knows all the secrets, the behind the scenes arguments, and the affairs, the flings, the flirting, and the fighting. It's time to tell it all on her new podcast, Sex, Lies, and Spray Tans. We'll take you all the way back to season one and up through today for the dance floor drama like you wouldn't believe. Former partners, co-stars, friends, and frenemies will join Cheryl each week. Listen to Sex, Lies, and Spray Tans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaking of legends, for very obvious reasons, Heather Graham was one of our most listened to guests. And it was such an honor to have her on the podcast. Yes, she's glowing. Yes, she's funny, but she's also very kind. And one of my favorite insights she left us with was the joy, despair, and encouragement that can happen when one is auditioning. Auditioning is one of the most difficult aspects of an actor's career. You get one chance to get it right, one chance to potentially change your life. And hearing the guys talk about how they used to daydream about what they do with their new casting money, and also the downfalls of walking out of a room when the actor killed it,

it's a lot of fun. So without further ado, here's Heather Graham telling us some of her favorite audition stories. That's the thing. It's the hardest thing to be in a moment for these auditions. Like you get the audition and you're like, I'm so excited to audition for this. You look at the sides and then all of a sudden your head, your mind wanders off into all the things that you're going to do after you get the part. You know what I mean? After I get this part, I'm going to go on vacation. What I'm going to do with this money, I'm going to get me, I'm going to get, shit, my girl going to get a, I'm going to get her a roulette.

You think about all of the things you're going to do with this money and all of the fame that's going to come with this part before you even get it. And then you go on the audition. Maybe it helps you get it. It never helps because you go on the audition. Maybe it helps you get it. It never helps because you go on the audition and when you walk out, you're like, well, I guess I got to wait for the next audition to get that role. You know what I mean? Like, it's the worst, man.

Like, I always do that. The auditions that I do great on are the ones where I'm like, I don't give a fuck, man. I'm just going to go in there. I'm going to do whatever the fuck it is I do, and I'm going to leave. And I'm not gonna talk i'm not gonna try i'm not gonna try and wow anybody with the freaking what i've been doing in my off time fuck that shit i'm gonna go in there i'm gonna fucking do the audition and i'm gonna leave yeah and those are the ones where i usually get

heather do you still audition for things occasionally well that's what i was what you know i feel like you know when we were auditioning for things, I just feel like people don't audition in person anymore. Now I feel like everyone has to send a tape if you ever do. Do you guys ever audition in person anymore? Well, no, but not during COVID. But before COVID, occasionally, Heather, when it was like a super fancy director.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, the director wouldn't necessarily be there. It was like some mega A-list director, but they're interested. They want you to go in. And if it was someone I'm dying to work with, I would do it. But yeah, you're right. Yeah, same. I actually think it's better, though, Heather, because you have more.

Really? It's a self-tape. Well, don't get me wrong. It's great to go in the room and meet the director and shoot the shit and see if you have a connection. But I do think a self-tape, you can at least shape and practice it and only send the best one right but i think some people might be surprised that you know no matter even when you've had success in this business you still have to go out and campaign to get parts auditioning is terrifying it really is it's the hardest thing on the planet when it comes yeah that's the hardest

thing in acting. Forget the part. Forget doing the role. Forget all of the other stuff. Forget everything that comes after you get the part or before you get the part. The audition, that's the toughest thing to do. It's harder than doing the role, for sure. Than doing the actual role.

You only get one shot to nail it. You get one shot. And if you're lucky, the director says, I like that. Let's try it again this way. And usually when that happens, that doesn't necessarily mean you got the role. That just means your preparation wasn't what the director saw. You know what I mean? And so it's like, it's the hardest thing ever.

ever and so to get roles and i'm always i'm always so appreciative that an audition was all it was what it took for me to you know you liked what i did in the room you're gonna love what i do when i when the camera's rolling then that's the case it does feel like there's no other way to really do it but but but it does feel like a not a great test for how well you're gonna be on set because you're coming in with all this adrenaline you're coming in with nerves you're doing it in front of however many random people and so it's not it's it's a bit like an obstacle course you know what i mean like you have to like do it now under pressure go but god there's such a high though when when you know you killed it and they know you killed it and there's like yeah it is amazing it's crazy in the waiting room too though when you see other the other people that are auditioning.

You know. And if you know them. Or yeah. It's very weird. And people play mind games too. I remember back in the day. Like all these people would be like. I really was aware of the psychology of the waiting room.

How people would try and distract you. How people would. You know. Start conversation with you. Like they knew you were going next. So they would like. Try and. Take your mind off of. Learning. Or you working on the lines and no i just remember this

one kid uh where i was up for this part he came out of the room and he was swiping away his tears and he's like break a leg guys and um we all looked at each other like flipping through the sides like where's the fucking crying scene and this dude i i got to know him and he could just cry on cue and so he would just put it into any audition to show off that he could like cry even if the scene didn't call for it because he thought it was like gonna blow their minds and uh and i remember i asked him once i go so you're just crying in like every audition he's like yeah i to, just to like show him what I can do. And I was like, wow. Okay. Well, what do you, how do you do that?

He goes, I just think anyone doing anything bad to animals. Aww. And I was like, okay. You know what? Okay. Waiting in the waiting room when you hear someone else killing is also sucks, right? When you're waiting and you can hear that person who's in there is like just killing and everyone loves them that's also horrible but don't you also remember those times when you're in there and you hear someone go and they're like and they suck and

you're like yes up next we have sarah chalk now sarah chalk is an icon a legend you know her you love her perhaps if not from scrubs you know her incredible performance as the mom on rick and morty listen getting to meet her has clearly been the highlight of being on this show because it's rare that the people you idolize are as kind and sweet and generous with their time as miss sarah chalk is we so appreciate her. And when she came on in season three, I think this is her third visit to the podcast. So it's all tapped by now. She'd figured out the technology.

She finally gotten a soundproof boost. So her audio crisp and clear. And we love her. And she shared one of my favorite stories that's ever been shared on the podcast about a group of people who love you coming together to make sure you get a dog. Okay, vital. And if you know anything about me, you know, I similarly experienced the same thing. Zach wanted me to have a puppy. And now I have lions.

What a gift. So here's Sarah Chog talking about how she got her dog, cowboy switches, and her love of this cast. Enjoy. This is the episode that frick started yeah 243 everybody um the very first frick what's the genesis of frick i wish i remembered i don't remember i don't know i i don't remember i don't know if it was me or bill and then it then it developed it went to double frick and then frick on a stick with a brick. No, it was frick, double frick, frick on a stick, frick on a stick with a brick. Frick on a stick with a brick. Yeah, it became one of Sarah's catchphrases.

She finally got her What You Talking About, Willis. I got it in season three. Season three, she got her frick. I didn't get a box there, but I got a frick. Yeah. It was a lot less expensive to give you a Frick. I did get that pink cashmere Juicy Jogger set that I wore in that Frick scene. I remember they let me take that home.

Oh, yeah, girl. Do you remember Juicy, y'all? Do you remember Juicy? Juicy was great. They had men's wear, too. I used to have Juicy cashmere. Yeah, man. Juicy was the jam.

Everybody had to. And it was sweatsuits. It was a bunch of sweatsuits. And everybody was paying like $200. Juicy was the jam. Everybody had to... And it was sweatsuits. It was a bunch of sweatsuits and everybody was paying like $300 for a sweatsuit. Yeah. Juicy. They figured it out. Juicy. So, you know, Frick comes from...

On TV shows and network, you're always trying to work around places where you'd actually curse. Some shows do it and beep it, which I guess is easier if you're more documentary style like like the office or or modern family or something um some shows uh uh the good place very creatively um made it fork because they were in like this supposedly in this like heaven typetype setting where it just automatically changes all your curses to better words. So Frick allowed Sarah to say fuck without saying fuck.

There's one more place that they changed the word and so you wouldn't say fuck, and that was Battlestar Galactica. And they said frack. And that became, are you fracking kidding me? Are you fracking kidding me right now? But did they never explain it or they just did it? They just did it. For the whole run of the show, it would be like, what the frack

are you talking about? Oh, frack. I'm going to frack you up. You can say friggin, which I always thought was a comfortable alternative. Some people don't like friggin. It doesn't have the power that fuck has. Or frick.

You need the K. You know that to make a movie PG-13 you're allowed one fuck in a PG-13 movie and it can't be a sexual fuck. You can't be like, oh I want to fuck her. But you can be like, what the fuck?

Oh. I didn't know that. So you have to pick your fuck if you're if you're directing a pg-13 movie they're like all right pick your fuck what do you want and then next rating you can do r you can say whatever you want yeah okay so there's some oh sorry go ahead go ahead go ahead i'm trying to think of the other PG-13 rules. They probably changed. It used to be like obviously sex. There were some other ones.

I forgot. Drug use maybe. I don't know. All right. Go ahead, Donald. Kelso's nose squeaks the entire episode. Wait. Before we get to Kelso's nose, what about Sarah losing her car door?

I mean, that was hilarious. Well, that was hilarious. And then carrying it around the hospital with me so it doesn't get stolen. Now, this is something that goes on. This joke continues through other episodes because you later on have like a taxi cab door, like a yellow door on your car and everything like that. So this is a joke that continues with your brand new car. Am I right or am I wrong? Yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. I think that's right.

Yeah, she didn't get the matching color door. She just got, it was the same door for her car, but it was yellow. I forgot about that. Yeah, so I thought that was very funny. And then, yeah, so sorry, Donald. Go to Kelso's squeaky nose, which is very funny. And then, yeah, so sorry, Donald. Go to Kelso's squeaky nose, which is very funny.

For the whole episode, Kelso has a squeaking nose because of the punch he received from Dr. Cox. And that shit is a lot. Yo, every time Ken would inhale, it would squeak. It's only on the inhale, though. It's not on the exhale. It's only on the inhale. So every time he inhal, it would be a. I love how people hate him so much that even though the room was packed, he's like, miraculously, no one saw it.

No one saw me. Sammy in the background going like. Celebrating. Fist bumping. Now, my dive under the gurney, I replayed it a few times because I thought it was a cowboy switch. Same. I couldn't figure out if it was or not. I watched it for the same reason.

I was like, was that a cowboy switch? I feel like it was. I feel like you came running up in the hallway from the back, then it was cowboy switch, and then you popped up. I know, but it was so seamless. It was so good. It was so good. So for those of you who don't remember, a cowboy switch is when the actor who's not a stuntman is hiding, and the stuntman does something insane and then kind of goes off camera, and then the real actor pops up. So JD does this insane sort of slide under a gurney, and then I pop up.

I'm pretty sure it's a cowboy switch, but man, it is seamless. You cannot tell. It's so – like the timing of me coming up was so perfect. It's over. And you did always, for the most part, try your own falls always. So it's very plausible. I did a lot of them. But the thing about a stuntman is when there's a real chance, like, okay, you could get hurt doing this one like like when i exit the room that's clearly

a stomach that's not you he takes a really hard fall on the gurney tipping over so you don't want your actors breaking anything because then you can't fucking make the show so a lot of these actors also stunt people often don't get paid well they get like one rate to show up but then often they won't get more money unless they do the thing. So sometimes I feel for stunt people who are like, oh, come on. I know you want to show off and do it yourself, but let me fucking do the stunt. And so I often tried to do them, but some of them where I could like break a hand, they were like, no, you're not doing that. I would still even not do my own stunts come once a season to scrubs on crutches

with having torn the ligaments in my left ankle. I think it was about once a year. And I'd be like, Randall, I'm so sorry. So they would have me standing beside the bed and standing in a lot of scenes and not walking for like a week. How many times did you get injured making this show?

I feel like it was always my ankle and it was never doing anything fabulous. I would come to set and be like, how did you do it? And I'd be like, I was walking Lola, and I tripped on a pine cone on the sidewalk. And then it was, yeah, it was basically the first time I did it, I was in college, and my leg was crossed, and my foot fell asleep, and I was in like a 500-person lecture hall, and I got up to ask the professor a question,

and I went down on, like I went over my ankle, I rolled my ankle, and it swole up to ask the professor a question and I went down on like I went over my ankle I rolled my ankle and it swole up to the size of a grapefruit and they x-rayed it and I was 19 years old and I had a growth plate that hadn't closed because I hadn't finished growing but they thought it was a hairline fracture so they by mistake put me into a plaster cast up to my knee and I went to go film an episode of the Roseanne show and she was like Roseanne was like it doesn't make sense you would have that, get that taken off. And so I did, even though, like, that's like a kid who has, like, you know, a potentially broken foot. The Roseanne was like, I don't give a fuck what's wrong.

Take that cast off. So they asked me to take the cast off. So I did, and the doctor down there was like, it's actually a blessing in disguise because this is like a growth plate that hasn't closed. It's not a hairline fracture. Your foot's not broken. You just sprained it really badly, and that's why it swole up so much. So Roseanne's coldness actually helped you. It was such a gift, man.

It's all for you. Sarah, tell everyone who's listening about your $7,000 dog, and before you judge everyone, no, she didn't go buy some boutique, fancy, expensive dog. That was a big evening for us, too. What was the evening? What were we doing? Where were we? It was a charity.

Sarah, do you remember what the cause was? It was the help group. It was for autism, children with autism. And it was Jeff Zucker, who was the boss at NBC at the time. Who you remember that Donald infamously gave the noogie to at our first party. Please, Donald, no. Please, Donald, no. So we were there and we

were excited i think it was like season two um and season one or season two and so we went and jeff sucker was our boss and the night was to honor him and his contribution to the help group as well and so there was this little chocolate lab that they were having as part of the auction to raise money and i let me just pause there let me just pause there. Let me just pause there. Did they have one dog or several? It was just one. All right. So I recall it was an auction obviously to raise money for,

for, for autism. And they geniusly brought in this puppy. That was the cutest chocolate lab puppy you've ever seen. It was like tiny. You could fit in your palm of your hands. And it was probably, I don't know,

I'm guessing 10 weeks old and the idea was you know we're gonna they wanted everyone and they got everyone like buzzed on alcohol and then the idea is like all right you guys are gonna bid on who gets to take home this dog and they brought they brought her around like you're saying to like to get everybody super excited brought her around and i was holding her, this little chocolate brown nugget. She was, yeah, she was like tiny. She was 10 weeks old. And I was wearing a chocolate brown dress.

I remember it was my bridesmaid's dress for my sister's wedding. And so I'm falling in love with this dog. And then the bidding starts in the room and I'm bidding on her. And the whole, I fall in love with her. So is the rest of them. Everyone's going crazy. Everyone's bidding on her. So finally whole, I fall in love with her, so does the rest of them. Everyone's going crazy.

Everyone's bidding on her. And so finally I just gave up because it was insane. It got too high. And then the whole cast around the table, you guys all whispered to each other. And then when the bidding came to right before the ending, you all like stood up and put your arms up and got her for me. And we all split the cost of this. We each gave $1,000. Wait, hold on.

How long did it take for me to pay you the $1,000? Did you ever pay her? I did pay her. Okay. How long did it take? I don't remember. I don't remember, but it just was the most sweetest, thoughtful, touching thing ever,

and she obviously became our Scrubs mascot and came to Scrubs to work every day, and I loved her so much. She was very sweet. I think I paid for Lola like season eight or nine. I finally gave the money in like. I remember whenever we had group things to chip in on like crew gifts or, or,

or getting, getting something for the crew or in this case, giving money to charity for Sarah's dog. Johnny C would pay you like an hour later. He'd be like fast money makes fast friends. That was one of his Johnny C is be like, fast money makes fast friends. That was one of his Johnny C-isms, be like, fast money makes fast friends. And then Donald was the polar opposite. Donald would be like eight years later, he'd be like, yo, did I ever pay you for the dog?

And then I remember I was the one who I was so disorganized, I just would never cash the check. And Ken would be like, Sarah, you haven't cashed the check yet. Oh, God. I hate those people. Yeah, that's me. So Lola. When you went into Sarah's dressing room, I know we brought this up another time. But it was like if you've ever seen the show Hoarders, it was like that but worse.

It was sort of as if this. There was like a soup. There was like an open soup can from two seasons ago. Like, just—it looked like shit suddenly exploded. It kind of is like as if this paper— Then she folded it in a puppy. As if this pages of notes was my dressing room. Right.

As if this kind of like rained on notes. So poor Ken Jenkins is trying to manage his checkbook, and Sarah just throws a check for $1,000 in there somewhere. This can of soup from two seasons ago is true. My nickname was Soup for Breakfast because I would always have soup all the time and you guys would be like, oh, it's Soup for Breakfast. Who has Soup for Breakfast, Sarah? I love soup. I mean, I have my

hot tea right now. There's always something hot in my hands. It's like either soup or tea or something. Yeah, but that's because you run cold. That's the only reason why. I run cold. I have bad circulation. So Lola lived until she was 14. Oh, she died? Lola died?

She did. Well, dude, she lived until she was 14. She lived until she was 14 years old. That's pretty darn good for a lab. It's been over 14 years, I guess. Holy shit. Wow. It's been 21, yeah.

Hi, this is Shannon Doherty, host of the new podcast, Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. You may know me from, let's see, 90210, Charmed, Mallrats, Heathers. You probably also know me from my stage four cancer diagnosis and sharing that journey with so many of you. There's something so authentic about a podcast. It's me connecting, me talking raw in the moment. That's what my goal is to give you, to talk about why I feel that cancer to a certain extent is a gift, what my responsibilities are as a person with cancer, because I think that there's something so much bigger than me. And to be honest, I'm still trying to find out what that is. And maybe together, we'll find it. It's going to be a wild ride. So I hope that you all tune in.

Listen to Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey, my name's Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. I just had a great conversation with Michael B. Jordan, and you can listen to it right now. Michael is known for his performances in both film and television. His breakout role was in Fruitvale Station, playing Oscar Grant, which earned him widespread praise and numerous award nominations. His portrayal of Killmonger in Marvel's Black Panther, one of my favorites, further solidified his status as one of Hollywood's leading actors, earning him widespread acclaim for his complex and compelling performance. In our conversation, Michael really opens up. You're going to love listening to it. And I can't wait for you to check it out. The closest to getting what you want is

always the hardest. It's always the feeling when you're getting ready to, you know, people give up right before they get what they've always wanted to get. People quit. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine you ask two people the same exact set of seven questions. I'm Minnie Driver, and this was the idea I set out to explore

in my podcast, Minnie Questions. This year, we bring a whole new group of guests to answer the same seven questions, including actress and star of the mega hit sitcom Friends, Courtney Cox. You can't go around it, so you just go through it. This is a roadblock. It's going to catch you down the road. Go through it. Deal with it. Comedian, writer, and star of the series Catastrophe, Rob Delaney. I shouldn't feel guilty about my son's

death. He died of a brain tumor. It's part of what happens when your kid dies. Intellectually, you'll understand that it's not your fault, but you still feel guilty alt rock icon liz fair that personal disaster wrote guyville so everything comes out of a dead end and many many more join me on season three of many questions on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Seven questions, limitless answers. four partners, six finals, and two mirrorball trophies. She knows all the secrets, the behind the scenes arguments, and the affairs, the flings, the flirting, and the fighting. It's time to tell all on her new podcast, Sex, Lies, and Spray Tans. We'll take you all the way back to season one and up through today for the dance floor drama like you wouldn't believe. Former partners, co-stars, friends, and frenemies will join Cheryl each week.

Listen to Sex, Lies, and Spray Tans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sarah Chalk, everybody. The greatest. Next we have one of the most surprising, one of the

most talked about, one of the most filled with nuggets of wisdom and knowledge, interviews. I don't want to be too bold and say maybe ever, but certainly here on Fake Doctors, Fake Real Friends. I know the show, name of this podcast. It's early. We had Richard Kind on the show, guys, and he blew us away with his passion for the audition process, with his love for Michael J. Fox and all that that man has brought to the world of entertainment, and just with his ability to be so damn funny right off the cuff so bless you richard for coming on the show thank you for your time thank you for your wisdom let's take another

listen to one of my favorite interviews here's richard coote okay what i wanted to say i mean you talked about uh uh do i get excited about a script or excited about a part? Yes, I do. I certainly do. Or you pray that you have an opportunity to play that part. I'm going to say something that might be interesting to you guys. I'm one of the idiots that likes auditioning. Really? Why?

What? A couple of reasons. Number one, as an actor, I like to play all different kinds of roles. I may not be hired, but for 10 minutes, I got to play that role. And I can't do it alone in the bathroom. I'm not going to invite friends over and go, hey, listen to me do this. Listen to me do Willie Loman. Because I, you know, just here, here, I'll give you a sandwich.

Although I would come to see you do Willie Loman in your living room. Someday I'd love to do it. But, but, but the thing is you need, an actor needs an audience. And even if it's a kid with a camera, you're still performing. So I happen to appreciate it. You're still performing. So I happen to appreciate it. The other thing is, I like being nervous. I like the jitters of like an opening night.

That's fun for me. I know I'm not going to die. I know that my life is not on the line. I know nothing's going to happen to my kids. But I get nervous. Like being on a roller coaster can be fun. And so you're going in front of important people. You may get a job. This could be the job that makes you a huge amount of money, brings you fame.

And you might be Matt Perry in Friends. You don't know. So who knows what this audition is going to bring? Or that the person that you're auditioning for may become a good friend whatever it is but you're nervous things are on the line yeah it's a good way to live i i never heard it put like that but i've heard the nerve i heard the nervous part put like that i've never heard the actors need to perform look at it as a room to perform i do oh it's an opportunity such an amazing and that's that's such a golf analogy too that's such a golf analogy dude it's an

opportunity here's here's another crazy thing that if i'm teaching uh which i don't do a lot of but i i have when you go in for an audition you are going going, oh, dear God, let me get this role. Please let me be good. Please let me be great. I don't go in that way. I go in and I see six people who all want to make Larry David money. They all want the success of Seinfeld. They all want the success of Curb Your Enthusiasm. That's what they want. They want money. They want success. They don't care whether I get the role. They want money. And I go in saying, and you have to believe this, you have to believe you're the right actor for the role. But if I believe that, which a lot of times I do, I can do this. I go in with the mindset of, guys, I'm going to help you make a lot of money.

That's true. You better, when you cast me, you better cast around me as good as me because I'll help you make money. I'm going to help make this thing great. Wow. Don't worry. I got your back. It's a pep talk. But most people go in going, oh, I got to get this. Oh, I got to get this role. If you go in with the, with the feeling of I'm going to help you make the success that takes all the pressure off of you. Yeah. Richard,

I love that. And I have to say from when I'm directing, I learned a lot about auditioning when I was directing because you sit, you think that being on the other side of the table is fun. It's fun for about 35 minutes. And then it's really grueling and stressful because all you're thinking is, fuck, we're not going to find this guy or this gal. So what I always say to actors is you, you need to, I mean, yours is brilliant and I'm going to steal it, but I also say they're, you don't know this, they're rooting for you. They want, they're dying for you to be good. If you're great, they're done. If you're great, they're going to make money. If you're good. And all you want to do is be good for yourself. Don't guess. They're saying, dear God, give me somebody

who's good. I agree with you. Now I'm going to bring up something that you're going to hate, but you know that I'm going to bring it up. When you were doing Going My Way. Going in style. I auditioned for The Banker at the beginning. And I only went on tape. And I did not have, I remember not feeling good about it. I remember not being, not feeling good about it. I remember it.

And I, of course you care whether or not you get a part. I think I requested you come in for it. Okay, could be. What I wanted to do was not get the role. I wanted to do, I wanted to impress Zach. Oh my God, my heart. That's what I wanted to do. Now, the guy you hired happened to be a friend of mine

and he's great yeah he's wonderful uh and i do you mind not getting a role yeah it happens uh but that that was my mindset and it could have gotten in my way of doing a good job well i gotta say that what i think as i recall i asked you to come in because i literally when i when i'm casting something i often and it's a particularly a funny part i'm like well who are the funny people that i like working with i agree and you're at the top of that list um and uh but yeah i i i i i i really, and I'm sure there's a lot of actors listening who, this is really useful advice. The audition process, we've all been groomed our whole lives to be like, and we do it. Oh shit, I'm nervous.

Oh shit, come on, please. Come on, God. Come on, universe. Give this to me. But it really comes down to not walking in that room terrified, walking in that room with your shoulders back going, guys, let me help you. I'm here. Let me help you. But not necessarily saying that.

You can't say that. It's through your performance. Let's just be clear. It's through the performance. Yes, yes, actors, please don't walk in the room and say, you're lucky I'm here. Right. You don't say it out loud.

You don't say, hey, fuckers, you better cast as well as me. You don't say, hey, fuckers, you better cast as well as me. This is a good segue into, can you tell us about your audition for Spin City and Bill and how all that went? I got a great story. This will take about five minutes. Great story. You can take an hour. Go ahead.

Well, he has a tea time. He's got a tea time. Take five minutes. Yes, but we're talking about me so i guess i have a lot of i'll only i'll only play eight holes if i can keep talking about me how good i am richard richard richard only has a tea time if we talk about things unrelated to him. All right. So Gary David Goldberg had a show called Champs. It was about, it was sort of like that championship season. It was, it was sort of based on his life. It was one coach and five guys who were best friends of which Gary does have that life. He, he had his best friends who were a basketball team from when he was in

high school. So he made a sitcom about that called Champs, and I wanted to read for him. And Gary said, he's not right. He goes, I know Richard Kind. I know him from Mad About You. He's not right for it. And I'm going, just let me read. He would not see me. That show went the way of most shows, like one season. Then he had Spin City. And he didn't want to see me. And we called the casting director and the casting director spoke to Bill Lawrence. And we called the casting director and the casting director spoke to Bill Lawrence and Bill wanted to see me. And I said, let me go in and see the casting director first so that I can practice and see it because Gary doesn't want to see me. And Gary says, oh, I know. I know Richard Kine from Man About You. And he's great. He's great. He's not right for the role.

Gary didn't want to see me. Bill did. I had a handle on this part. The only thing that would have not gotten it for me is because I was too tall for Michael J. Fox or I might have been too Jewish, ethnic New York City. But otherwise, if they called me back, the role is mine. me back, the role is mine. So I wanted to go into the casting director, and then I went into the to read for Bill and for Gary, and indeed

I was called back, and I literally said to myself, if they called me back, this role is mine. Okay, I have to go in to meet with Michael. Cut back years before when I was at Second City, Michael J. Fox came to Second City, was doing the movie Satisfaction.

Let me just pause. For those that don't know, Second City is an improv group. Go ahead. Right. And I was part of the company. And whenever somebody famous was in the audience, we would invite them to improvise with us, which we did with Michael.

So Michael and Robin Duke are doing a scene. It was obviously he was the son. She was the mother. It's obvious if I open the door and I say, honey, I'm home, I'm the father and I belong there. So I come into the scene with, honey, I'm home. And Michael bounded one, two, three, and jumped into my arms like this. I mean, off the floor and into my arms. Now, a couple of things.

I'm strong, but I'm not that strong. But Michael J. Fox is so light that anybody's strong to lift him. And he clomped onto me like David Letterman did with Velcro.

You remember when he did that? Yeah. And Michael did that, and he hung on like that when i tell you and you've got to understand how long time is there was a 45 second laugh it wasn't that it was that it was mich Michael was so athletic and agile and knew the laugh. And he just hung on. And I walked around with him. I'm telling you, like a monkey, like a monkey.

Yeah, they were dying. It is a laugh. I will always remember it in my head. It's like a movie. I could see what it looks like. Right. Memorable. Before I went into the audition, cut to today, okay,

to the audition for Spin City. And sometimes, I don't have a therapist anymore, but at the time I had a therapist, and it was a good luck thing that I'd go and see my therapist sometime before I had the audition. And it would loosen me up. It would make me feel alive or whatever. So I go in and I say, I tell him the story. And I say, should I bring it up?

And my therapist goes, absolutely. If it was that memorable, absolutely bring it up. I go in. I meet Michael. And I say, I've got to tell you, you may not. We've met before. I was on stage at Second City. And I say, I've got to tell you, you may not, we've met before. I was on stage at Second City and we did this. And this is what Michael said. And he's given me permission to tell the

story. He goes, I'm sorry. I don't remember it because I was so drunk and high during that point in my life. I don't even remember doing Satisfaction. Wow. Oh, my God. He did not remember being at Second City. He didn't remember being in Chicago. He had no memory of really doing the movie. Isn't that amazing?

Oh, my God. I know. Isn't that something? It's crazy that one of the biggest moments in your life, one of the moments that set it all. Yes, one of the biggest, a memorable laugh. He had no conception. No clue.

No clue. He has no memory of leaping onto one of the improv comedians. He has no memory of leaping on and holding on for 40 seconds. Leaping on. However, this is something I then remember about the audition. This is something I clearly remember is I had a they wrote Bill Lawrence, as you know, as everybody who's listening. Bill Lawrence is a fucking genius. Yeah, he is.

He works very hard at being a genius. And sometimes he works to the last minute at being a genius but nonetheless he is a genius at what he has chosen to do yes he's he makes things accessible funny weird and let me get to that a little later but i remember doing the scene and he wrote such a brilliant, funny line because he was a great writer. Gary was a great showrunner, not necessarily. He was a great captain. He was not necessarily as great a writer as some of the product that he put out. But when you have a genius like Bill Lawrence, you can get it.

And Gary was able to teach things to Bill and generate things that Bill not only learned, but cultivated and made blossom even more. But I had one hilariously funny line that I read. And Michael J. Fox, I wonder if I can do it. I don't think I'm that late anymore. And this chair is going to roll. He jumped in the air like this and just landed. and this chair's going to roll. He jumped in the air like this and just landed.

He jumped in the air with laughter and landed on the chair. He laughed that hard at my delivery. And I have to admit, I walked out of there going, the part is mine. The part is mine. You knew right through the news. It's mine. Donald and I have spoken about his timing, Michael J. fox i mean i i grew up watching family ties and i didn't know how to analyze comedy or or or anything about it at a young age but i just knew that he was doing something unique with his timing that was so special

and bill has said to us that no one no no one could hold the pause and wait for the laugh better than Mike Fox. He just knew. It's like you watch those teenage girls playing double dutch and how they know just when to go in. Like Michael J. Fox was just so skilled at just the right amount of pause, right? He was. I'm going to tell you, I'll tell you two things. Number one, I'm going to tell you, I'll tell you two things. Number one, I heard Carl Reiner interviewed by Bob Costas and Carl Reiner said, sitcoms were written by Jews to be acted by non-Jews. And Michael J. Fox has the rhythm of a Borscht Belt comedian. Yeah.

Michael J. Funk. That's great. That is his great, great talent. He has that rhythm. Now I'm going to tell you something else. This is sour grapes a little bit.

Michael could hold for that. He could take a line and make it three lines. Yeah. And the camera would always be on him because he's Michael J. Fox and he's the star of the show. If we tried to do it, Gary would edit it and it would all be compressed.

Right, right, right. Because we're not the star. And you just got to understand, you're not the star. But I would. Maybe I couldn't do what he did because, quite honestly, what he did. I've done this with Michael and I've done this with Christopher Walken. I have acted with them. And as they're talking, in my head, I'm going, really?

That's how you're going to deliver the line? Really? That's your choice're going to deliver the line? Really? That's your choice. That's your choice. That's what you want to say and how you want to say it. All right. That's what's going on in my head. And I would do that with Michael.

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The person without whom none of this would be possible. Obviously, I'm speaking of Mr. Bill Lawrence. I'm just going to let it sprinkle over you, surprise you, as it were. He's been on the lot. But there was a particular moment i happen to love i think you guys will enjoy revisiting um it highlights the joy that is the friendship between bill and zach and donald and that's it that's our show so enjoy this lovely outro have a great couple days we will see you on th Thursday when Daniel comes back to host. Oh, my God. I'm so excited.

Daniel's doing his first clip show, and he's going to tell us all about the beats behind your favorite rap recaps. So join us on Thursday. We'll see you guys then. Have a great one. Bye. So, Bill, tell everyone what the very unique only once, I believe, in eight and a half or nine seasons did this occur. Tell everybody what occurred. So this is fascinating, because the look, it's an it's an old argument that's kind of gone away thanks to streaming.

But what television network television specifically considered appropriate with censors and with standards and practices was so weird, especially, you know, the age-old argument was violence, you know, versus sexual, you know, you can kill anybody on TV, but don't have anybody, you know, taking someone's shirt off or something like that. It was crazy. And this episode in particular drove me insane because it was before medicinal marijuana was crazy, crazy widespread. And the episode was originally written that Elliot and Carla are trying to help a cancerous woman who is on the way out and just having such a hard time with the pain and the discomfort.

It was them out and about trying to get her marijuana because they knew medically that it would alleviate a shit ton of her symptoms. And we handed that script in and said, you can't air this. You can't, unfortunately for you on NBC, even though it's for altruistic reasons, you can't unfortunately for you on NBC even though it's um for altruistic reasons you can't have a physician and a nurse driving around trying to find someone they can buy pot off of no wait pause one moment there Bill as I recall we'd be you handed it in but we had begun shooting you we shot a a scene or two of it as I recall yeah but you know that just makes me look like some all right so what's Zach's story one of the parts of zach's story is bill sometimes didn't hand in the script until

after we started oh yeah oh yeah but you did yeah the subtext is bill uh well you had the you had the power and clout to be able to do shit like that in the day but and this was the one chance this is the one opportunity where they were like, yeah, but no. Yeah. So say they said we wouldn't air it. And partly because it was an easy fix and partly because I found it so hypocritical, I said, all right, well, because we need this story to still work structurally, we'll just have the woman that's dying,

be a virgin and we'll have Elliot and Carla go look for a man whore so she can get laid and they're like oh that's fine i love that you were being facetious and they were like all right all right fine yeah do that so they can't go even though it's proven by you know so many medical studies and and now as you guys know we use um uh you know different um products cbd etc for any pain yeah but this was this was this was whatever this was yeah 18 years ago even back then it was considered an amazing treatment for the side effects for chemo you know and for uh for nausea and for all that stuff so i'm like doctors can't go get a patient that's dying marijuana, but they can go to

anywhere and get her a man horse or she can have sex in the hospital. Yeah, that sounds funny. I'm like, all right. But it is funny. By the way, it was really funny. It is funny. By the way, it's a very, it's a very funny episode, Bill, with a lot of memorable quotes, including the first ever what has two thumbs and doesn't give a crap. Bob, Bob, by the way, never ever.

And that's an old joke. And the only reason that joke feels new is it has never, ever been delivered better than Ken Jenkins delivered. Man, just, and by the way, you know, it's next version.

It's sequel, which you guys will get to is what has two thumbs and still doesn't give a crap that's by the way instead of bob kelso how you doing it's bob kelso i thought we had met you know i i i had never heard this joke until this moment until yeah this was the first time and so i kind of got caught off guard when he was like what has two thumbs and doesn't give when he was like, what has two thumbs and doesn't give a crap? I was like, what has two thumbs and doesn't give a crap? And then when he goes, bam. I laugh so hard.

I don't think I've, yeah. To this day, you're absolutely right. Ken crushes it better than anybody has ever done. It's hilarious. And like Donald, I didn't know it was a known joke. I thought you guys came up with it, but I thought it was fucking hilarious. He's an assassin. When he just says things like they're real that way.

Uh, it just kills me. Um, my biggest memory of, and then you guys can then drag through the different parts of this particular episode was, um, I occasionally had times on scrubs.

I'm sure you guys did too, that I'd wander onto set. I wouldn't be sure what we were doing. And then what was happening there would make me think that I was on hallucinogens or have a moment like, how is anybody letting us do this on television? Oh my God, that's so many moments. Because I had a bunch of things going on in this episode and was working on other things too sometimes. And I strolled down into the apartment set which was away from everywhere

else and i walked in and tara reed was sitting on a throne of toilet paper and there were like a bunch of male models dancing around and i'm like what the hell's going on how is this this isn't something for national television is it like no no you guys that is in the script i know there's some hilarious shit in there. That shit had me rolling. Tariq dancing and doing the shimmy. There's two different Tariq. You're conflating two. There's one where she's in a room made of toilet paper drinking a cocktail out of a toilet paper roll.

And then there's another where I'm sort of a studious, nerdy guy reading my book, and she's filled the apartment with male strippers who are gyrating all over her. And she's shimmying. Yeah. I think that's Banana Hammocks Everywhere or something, right? It'll be Banana Hammocks Everywhere.

Why, Bill, why do JD and Turk have a rule about the guests bringing their own toilet paper? I think that that was- What was the seed of that idea? That was loosely based on a story I told about my college roommate named Steve Mack, who whenever we went on spring breaks or on trips, every time he opened his backpack, there'd be toilet paper in there. And it just always, by the way, it's like those people that bring their own pillow on trips and you think you're an idiot and you sleep on the pillow yeah and we used to give him a shit you know like oh if you baby your ass it'll baby you we get you know we used to give him

constant shit about it but then you get to some ski resort or some shitty hotel and they would have like two-ply sandpaper hanging from a metal thing by the toilet. And Steve Mack would be like, nobody touch my own toilet paper. And I'm like, that's good. That should be a rule for bring your own toilet paper anywhere you go. That's funny. Yeah, I have a buddy that brings his own wipes wherever he goes. It's not dumb, you know. I travel with a pillow now.

I don't feel bad about it. I did my first pillow travel this time to London, Bill, because I have fallen in love with a pillow now i don't feel bad about it i did my first um pillow travel this time to london bill because i i have fallen in love with a pillow and you can go to the fanciest hotel or the cheapest motel and and and have bad pillows and it sucks uh you want to know another odd thing and i did see this i think because i looked at watch the episode last night and i didn't want to do a gabby which is what it means oh my god i told billCA episode. Oh my god. I told Bill. I was like, Bill, you told us not to bring a writer on and the writer didn't watch the episode.

I love Gabby. She's so funny. She was so funny. She was great but we love to give her shit about it. Don't worry. She doesn't listen. She doesn't know we're shit talking here. By the way, this is on a Friday. She will not listen no matter what. The other piece of trivia that I remembered about this particular episode

was there's a joke about Elliot saying someone saw her orgasm face. And I remember getting shit the writer's room because we were pretty good about continuity, but we contradicted ourselves with Elliot's sexual past a thousand times. You did. Scrubs Wiki is very upset about it. I will read you a direct quote from Scrubs Wiki. Yeah, the people on TV without pity were not having it.

Let me tell you something. Here we go. It says, when Elliot is talking to her patient, she talks about a time in high school when she had a, quote, orgasm face. Yet in a previous episode, she told Carla that she has never had an orgasm. Elliot's romantic life is full of differing stories.

Yeah, contradictions. We also, I think she said once, we said that she lost, I think she lost her virginity in a crawl space. But maybe we can rationalize it by saying Elliot is just, I don't know. How can you rationalize it? You say she doesn't remember. saying Elliot is just... I don't know. How can you rationalize it? She doesn't remember. And I think

we also said I think one time she lost her virginity with a guy that lost his arm to a bear. If you remember that. By the way, she's so funny in this episode. She was just let loose on this episode. Both the writing for her and her whole

way of being was just fucking on like level 10. There were some uncomfortable moments, though, in this episode for me. What, when you saw her O-face? No, that one, Randall jumping out of the closet and Krista and Johnny C being on the bed in leather. That kind of fucked me up. That was amazing. I was like, what? And do you remember who's in the gimp costume?

Do you remember who's in the gimp costume? Oh, was it Randall? No, wait, wait. Franklin got better. Our second AD. Hold up. This time, though, Krista was oiled up, too. They both put the oil on because they're both shiny.

They were doing some Pulp Fiction gimp stuff. It was very weird. I can't imagine Krista reading that and being like, okay, Bill. Okay. By the way, I just weighed low and tried to avoid it you know what i mean here's some stories about a show we made about a bunch of doctors and nurses and a janitor who loved to hate i said he's got stories that we all should know

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