Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - 422: My Big Move with Bill Lawrence

Episode Date: June 1, 2021

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Hide your money in your old rich man because she is on the prowl. Listen to Queen of the Con, season five, The Athlete Whisperer, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, I got to tell y'all something real quick. Everything that I've done up to this point as far as slimming down has been diet and, you know, way of life and everything like that. I haven't really necessarily been working out. I haven't worked out for a while. While doing the pilot, I did a little bit of yoga,

but not a lot. I haven't worked out, I'd say, in about a month and a half. Okay. I worked out all last week. How'd it go? When I tell you pain... That's what I'm talking about! But it's good pain.

No, this shit is like the type of pain where you're like, I don't know if I want to work out again pain. Like, I can't straighten my arms. My arms are stuck like that. You don't want to go from zero to 1,000, bro. I went from zero to 100 like a freaking idiot. That's not for Raiden, by the way. He hurt himself working out.

He's got like a totally messed up shoulder From pushing too hard Let me tell you something right now It is It does not feel good at all I thought I was taking it slow Apparently I needed to go slower Did you see the thirsty pictures I sent you? Dude my wife was like

What's he trying to say? Is he trying to fuck you or something? What? You want to put them on Instagram because they would be too thirsty. No, I think you should put them up there, man. Well, you got a girl. I sent them to my girl, obviously, but I also want to show off to my friend what's happening. So I sent them to you and you were like, okay.

This motherfucker looks like, I'm not going to say the rock, but he looks like- No, not the rock. Rock Jr., a pebble, a pebble. Yeah, he looks like a pebble. He looks like the pebble. Dude, he is ripped. He's ripped.

Dude, don't skip leg day though. I know, I know, I know. Don't skip them legs. But I hate when people, you show them a good picture and they look for something to criticize. Yeah, I don't have big legs yet. So that's your critique.

I show you, I'm getting big and you're like don't skip leg day i'm just saying keep the symmetry man because you got good symmetry right now no no i know i agree i'm the standard guy who always is more interested in his upper body and then and then you look uneven and i'm gonna i'm gonna get them legs sit don't forget man because you you've always had good symmetry keep it going thank you and i'm about to wrap um movies, so I'm going to keep going because I'm really inspired. I'm feeling good about being in shape and my new diet. I'm going to keep it going. Right on.

Yay. I'm not going to lie to you guys. Congratulations. I ate cheese. Oh, boy. Okay. There's a lot worse things to eat. I'm just saying.

I had some cheese the other night. The pizza came, and I had some cheese the other night. The pizza came and I ate some cheese and I was like. I eat cheese. I haven't gone full vegan. I still eat some cheese. Maybe one day I'll be full badass vegan. But right now. Vegan cheese don't taste good.

That's the only thing. Should we invite William in? Is he here? Yes. Oh, so everybody. Exciting news. We have your favorite guest, Bill Lawrence, back on the podcast. And everybody loves Uncle Bill.

And let's bring him in because we always bring in Bill early because he's the rare guest that gets the pre-theme song attention. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Bill Lawrence. There he is. America's most successful showrunner. There he is. Where are you, bro? Bill, in the time we've just clapped for you to join the show,

how many shows have you sold in that brief time? I like it. Hey, you can't let me be Sarah Chalk, man. I've got to start my recording. Okay, don't be Sarah Chalk. By let me be Sarah Chalk, man. I got to start my recording. Okay, don't be Sarah Chalk. By the way, Sarah Chalk, great news. Her show got a second season. Firefly Lake.

Firefly Lake coming back for season two. And we love Sarah Chalk, and we're so happy about that because she not only loves the show and loves doing it and loves all the fan love for it, but she really wants to live in Canada and just happens to be a show that shoots in Canada, and so it's so win-win for her. In Vancouver is what I heard, too.

Yeah, Van Groovy. Oh, that's very cool. I think the kids call it Van Groovy. Van Groovy, that's what they say. Oh, by the way, I'm also supposed to report. By the way, I miss you all so much. Miss you, too. Joelle, Daniel, Donald.

It's so good to have you back, Bill. Miss you, buddy. This is the Family Feud crew right here. I know. Yeah. When does it air, Joelle? I'm so excited for the air. They sent it to me, and I forgot.

Yeah, June 13th. June 13th. We're coming up fast. Two weeks. Mark your calendars. Not next time. I was going to say what happened there, right? No, no, no.

No, no, no. But guys, please mark your calendars right now. You're on your phone or you're at your computer. June 13th, Family Feud. And this is the dream team right here. Yeah, tune in to see. It was so embarrassing for us just as a group, but I think people will like that.

I think people will like seeing that. And there's some amazing stills, Bill, I'll send you. They sent me some stills to approve. And did you look at them, Donald? Did any of you look at them? Yeah, I looked at them. I was like, I don't care. I don't care.

Just post. No, they were sending them to see if we approved them but i didn't care about approving them i thought they were all amazing i was like just go yeah i was like these are stills of us on family feud this is amazing i i want all of them i got a lot a lot of love to pass out too i'm told to tell donald fazan from brett goldstein who's a writer and plays roy on ted lasso that a movie called the wave was very good. He just watched it with Donald and Justin Long and Zach. I thought your episode of Solos was really, really good. It's cool. Thank you.

I wonder if any of these three watch, did you guys? Oh, shit. I really meant to. God, Bill, dude, I'm. I did watch all the time. That's all that matters. I finally watched it last. All animals talk. Bill, you don't. And that second episode. watch all the time. I finally watched it last night. I've seen all of it. Bill, you don't... And that second episode was spectacular.

Bill, you don't have this experience because people love your shit, but I make something and three of my best friends here don't watch it. Yeah, but in their defense, in their defense... In their defense, it is 30 minutes. Yeah, but you... You, I think, and rightfully so, because I do it to you.

You often, I would say text me or inform me a lot to remind me that I haven't watched it yet. You probably don't do that to them. I do. Do you? He has texted us. We just get,

we just get tagged in Instagram. I have people on my DMS that write Zach. That was amazing. I can't believe you're, I'm crying my eyes out. I can't believe your friends won't watch it. Yeah. That was amazing.

I can't believe you're, I'm crying my eyes out. I can't believe your friends won't watch it. I'm asking them to watch like a maudlin documentary series. I was texting Donald and Joelle about it. And Joelle was like, I don't think I can get there on this one. I don't think I can do it.

I'm like, why? Anyway, I'm going to watch it eventually. It took you some time. It took you several years to watch. Remember the Titans. I also don't believe i also don't watch that true donald right away by the way i just want you to know that and i'll watch anything that joelle does and daniel is right i'm the only person that watches everything right away i don't believe

that it's retaliation for not watching titans i just think you're no it's not retaliation it's just that you understand why i haven't watched it yet. Shit comes up, things happen. You guys know this isn't a visual thing, but Zach right now has what my wife calls sad body. Shoulders are so slumped. You got such a bad case of sad body right now. Let's switch to something you guys did watch, and that is, Bill, I just want to say I'm so happy for you.

I know we've said this before, but I have to keep saying it because Ted Lasso is just everywhere. It's still – there's this little boy in my movie. He must be eight years old, and he's so – he found out that I directed an episode. I thought eight would be too young to love the show, but he put a Believe sign on my trailer. Oh, that's awesome. I'm just going to wear a Ted Lasso flag. Well, Zach talks not a big deal.

Oh my God. You know, you know what they're saying now? They're saying that Ted Lasso is bigger and better than scrubs. Now this is, this is the, these, this is what people are telling me.

They're like those people. I don't like them either. They can kiss my ass. Ted Lasso. We already know he's not going to go 8.5 seasons. These shows, these things don't have to compete. None of this stuff has to compete. Yes, all of Bill's achievements don't have to compete.

But I'm just saying, you thought, listen, you hit it big with Spin City. Then you hit it big again with Scrubs. And then you've gotten even bigger with Ted Lasso, man. It doesn't happen like this for most people. For most people, there's like a hit and then everything after is like, oh, it was good, but it wasn't. We didn't hear about his new thing

that he hasn't even announced yet. I can't talk about it. I'll announce it on here. I'll announce it on here when it's official. When's that going to get announced, Bill? Because I want the exclusive on this podcast. Probably in the next week or two and then I'll come on and tell you guys about it'll be fun okay well we love you bill and i'm so proud of you and i and i thank you guys i really you're everywhere

and i all these articles i don't want to jinx you but i'm not superstitious all these articles are like lasso's gonna sweep the emmys so i hope you know it's weird though so it was trying to have us do promotional stuff for all that you guys both had to do that a lot before. And the show is so the antithesis of that. So it's really hard because the whole premise of the show is you don't care about winning and losing. It's how you play the game and how you treat each other. So it all feels disingenuous. But I promise not.

Zach always gives me shit, you guys, if I pretend not to care because I'm good at pretending not to care. Yeah. I promise not to care. Bill is a genius at many things, but acting is not his best thing i'm amazing when he acts when he acts like he doesn't give a fuck about awards it really shows through um now what about merch bill because everyone including this little boy want jerseys and stuff yeah it took me forever but uh uh this is like the first place i get to say about that yeah exclusive content i think there's some there's initial stuff that'll come out and be available right

when the hopefully right when the trailer comes out which is in a um few weeks already come out the official trailer for season two comes out in like three weeks and then uh and then all the cool like name kits and like with a like official you know premier league type kits come out in september but there'll be stuff don't be surprised if club teams all of a sudden start having uh jerseys and stuff like that that replicate uh there's already so much merch on etsy and i know by the way so this is what happened i wanted to make this little boy's day and i went on and you have i knew that you guys didn't have merch yet and i went and like etsy's just covered with it but that's non-official so what i did was i even though he's eight i gave him the sweatshirt that you had given me um because i was like you're

well i love this little boy he's so sweet and he's like and uh and i just wanted to make his day i get his name he should probably send me like 50 bucks it's not a big deal bill i love you i'm sad body i'm joking around of course i'm glad you gave it to him When I get his name, he should probably send me like 50 bucks. It's not a big deal. Bill, I love you. Zach, you have a sad body. I'm joking around. Of course, I'm glad you gave it to him. That's super cool. I'll put my shoulders back.

I'm sad that Donald, Joel, and Daniel didn't watch Solos, but okay. I'm so sorry. No, it's all right. It's all right. You have other things to do. I have, by the way, I have a great thematic. I have a great thematic thing for this episode. I'm going to talk to you guys about when you get gone.

But I wanted to know, how's everybody's lives going? I've missed you all. It's very good to see you all. I was thinking of Donald yesterday because I golfed for the first time in like eight months yesterday. Holy cow. Congratulations on that one. That's what it means as a golfer, Bill. You're a tennis guy.

Bill does everything. Well, you know, Donald, they just reopened the VA over in Westwood, the veterans thing. They have an unbelievably beautiful nine-hole course that no one goes to in the veterans area there. It was really cool. I went there with a buddy. My brother, Donnie, plays that all the time with his buddies. It's a little punch and putt thing, but it's fun.

He loves it. It's beautiful. You've graduated to real courses. You're the real deal now, and I see your videos and stuff now. It's fun. It've graduated to real courses. You're the real deal now. And I see your videos and stuff, man. It's fun. It's a lot of fun. If asking about my life, it's like a roller coaster right now. Are you allowed to talk about what happened or no?

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the whole world knows about it. Well, I know that. This was the craziest thing. I know you wanted to talk about it. Yeah, sure. Why not? So the day that shows are announced, I get a call at like 1045.

And it's my agent. And he's like, yo yo give me a call as soon as you get this and i'm like oh shit it didn't get picked up like that's the when when not when your whole team doesn't call you you know right away it didn't get picked up yeah they only want to all be on the call when it's good news right and so i call him he's like so look the show didn't get picked up and it's being reworked and immediately i was like oh did i get recast and he was like no you didn't recast and i was like all right great cool great news you're so heartless well bill you can um give him a pep talk because this shit happens all the time all the time but it's a very good sign and i mean bill i mean you're you know better than me but isn't it an extraordinary sign that they want to reinvest another like 9 000 shows

have this success story of uh getting um uh kind of replatformed and reimagined they're currently it's already picked up making uh How I Met Your Father for the second time, and this one's going right onto streaming. And they made the first one. Same thing happened to Game of Thrones. Yeah, same thing with Game of Thrones. Yeah, they reshot the whole Game of Thrones. There's an original Game of Thrones out there with completely different people in it.

There's a Scrubs out there with, by the way, with, no, there's not. Too late, Hill. Reckon my own UA Hill and fucking Scrubs and just doing it. with, by the way, with, no, there's not. Too late, Hill. Too late, Hill. Breckenmire and B.A. Hill. Right. And just doing it. They went on to do good things anyway.

That's why we use their name, because they both still have great careers. Right. There you go. You know, it's really interesting, though, because we put a lot of work into it, and genuinely thought that, you know, the network would love it. And at the end of the day, they loved the characters, and they loved the formula idea. And they loved the cast.

They're not changing the cast. Yeah. But something was missing, they said. And they want to rework it, which is great. There's no better thing. When you think about it, if you go remake Game of Thrones, you've learned so much from a test audience and from just your own eyes go here's what works here's what doesn't work now we can i mean it's such a rare position to be in to go make

something with so much new information and so i'm sure they tested your thing and said this doesn't work this does work obviously they love the cast let's keep the cast and you're gonna they're gonna go into production with so much new information i think it's a blessing in disguise also remember that uh it's an imperfect business what if you thought you guys made the first one with great care and all that you don't know that it wasn't great it's just so weird because no one can tell you know and i don't mean this to be um vindictive or anything it's like but it's out there too like one of the stories of ted lasso is jason sudeikis and i went to every streaming site and uh it wasn't a bidding war no one bought it except apple do you mean and i'm not

doing it now to go like ha ha you know but it's um and people wanted to like it and they're nice people and i know people at different companies, and they still, it was pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. And, you know, it's just kind of hard because you're asking people to roll the dice on guessing how people are going to react to something, and that's kind of an inexact science. There's a reason why Breaking Bad's on AMC, because every other place passed.

So, you know, it's part of the game. That's the weirdest part is by the way we could all watch the original game of thrones and go this is awesome but right who knows well we talk we talk about that a little bit on uh the black side uh when it does come out but we talk about how you know rogue one and solo are two not your solo zach but solo and rogue one are two take does that mean you're gonna watch it now that you said my title okay yes don't you think we are two, not your solo, Zach, but Solo and Rogue One are two. Does that mean you're going to watch it now? That you said my title?

Yes. Doug, do you think we should use Donald R. Connections to Chris and Phil to get to see all the scenes that they directed of Solo before they were? There's a whole movie, apparently. They directed a lot. Yeah. I would love to see this movie.

I bet you it's funny and snarky. You know those guys, man. I bet you it's a different tone than we're used to in that world. I bet you it's funny and snarky. You know those guys, man. I bet you it's a different tone than we're used to in that world. Bill, you're buddies with them. You probably could get access to say, hey guys, let's get super baked and watch it. They got mad at me once. I think lovingly mad.

We had to do a Kronheim panel for something because we all still love that show. They are so lovely and diplomatic. There's a time when everybody was immediately going, what happened with solo how do you feel about so and and just because i love them not because i was trying to be mean but i'm like i hope the new solo is awful and i hope it absolutely shits the bed and i hope i hope everybody says i wish chris and phil's version was out because that's what i think. And then they were like, dude, you just kept this thing going in a way that you just wanted to go around. Oh, no.

Yeah, think about them. I mean, think about that. I mean, what that must have. I mean, not that obviously they don't have any trouble with self-esteem, I imagine. But think about what that must have felt like to them. Like you're directing the biggest franchise in the world and you get replaced. That's. Oh, you know.

But you know what? But here's the thing. You know what came after they got replaced by solo spider-verse spider-verse baby one of the dopest superhero movies in the history of superhero movies yeah man so good you know what i mean like your favorite right one of your favorites that's my favorite spider-man movie that's one of my favorite superman that superhero movies, that and Thor Ragnarok. Yeah. I hear they're making, are they making a black Superman movie? I don't know.

There's early talks of it. Shout about it. But I don't think it's been confirmed. There's, there's two black super, there are two black Superman. I think we need to set up, start doing your audition tape.

His name is Michael B. Jordan, dude. Come on, buddy. Oh, is that what it's going to be? It's going to, come on. If it's going to be anybody. Oh, that's my favorite.

Come on, buddy. Come on, buddy. Come on, buddy. If it's going to be anybody... That's my favorite. Come on, buddy. Come on, buddy. If it's going to be anybody before me, it's going to be Michael B. Jordan. If you come over to my garden, we can dress you up and do audition videos. I would... I'll rig up cables to make you fly.

I don't need to audition. I don't even need to audition. Let's just do it for fun. Michael B. Jordan's tape isn't going to have him rigged to cable. If the three of us, you know that this week could make people say, I will work my butt off writing and funding a Superman scene. I don't even know it exists. I will direct it. We'll use good effects.

Let's just do it for fun. This is Donald's audition from a movie that may not exist. Now that we have Bill's budget, we can go huge with it. We can go crazy huge with it. It reminds me of a funny Bill story, right? So Amanda Kloots' little boy, Elvis, Nick and Amanda's little boy, Elvis, is obsessed, like many boys, where I believe your son was too, Donald, with trash trucks.

Yes. And everyone, we all love this little boy, so we're all buying him trash trucks. And the trash truck toys keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Everyone's trying we all love this little boy. So we're all buying them trash trucks and the trash truck toys keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Everyone's trying to out trash truck. And of course, because I guess this is a little boy thing. There's a zillion trash truck toys and Bill's over and the kid's over and he's playing with the trash truck. And I'm like, this is my entry into the contest and Bill takes one look and he turns to a

man and he goes, I'm going to buy him an actual trash truck. That kid's life, he would be so happy if that happened too. He would just sit in it and just, dude, that boy is beautiful. Amanda says that when they hear the beeping noises of the trash trucks, his face lights up and he sprints to the door to go watch them do their thing. But I remember Rocco had like a trash truck birthday cake, right, Donald? Yeah, he loved trash trucks.

And for a really long time, we had to buy him little tiny trash cans and they couldn't be the same color. They had to be like a blue, a green, and a black one to represent, you know... Recycling trash. All that stuff, right? And he would walk around.

And so the trash truck that he had, the lifter broke. So we had to buy him tongs so he could pretend he was lifting the trash truck and dumping the trash in. For Christmas, his grandmother, my mother, bought him a bunch of shredded uh paper from her office like it was like a bunch of shredded sides and he took that thing in my house for like at least two weeks until casey was like enough with the motherfucking trash was littered with shredded paper all over the place. It's all good. It was all good, but Casey wasn't having it at the end.

But it was such a, like, the love of trash trucks that kids have. It's amazing. I know. Amanda was telling me that in the trash truck cab, the drivers have all these drawings from children because they love trash trucks so much. It's so sweet. They can't help it.

It's like one of the coolest things ever to them. And we were like, wow wow rocco really loves this he's taking a really long time in this phase and they were like and somebody said to us it's because he's trying to figure out how they work how does the arm work what's that sound for why does it beep when it's backing up how come he can hear it all the way from down the block you know what i mean over amanda's house this dude has his legs up on the coffee table with his little snack watching youtube videos of trash trucks yeah that was rocco and we would have to put on like the hour and a half version of it and all it is is a trash can she wants to show him she wants to show him i'm fucking a normal kid show and he just wants to watch videos of trash trucks all around the world right and it has to be specific ones too.

The arm, obviously, is the cool part. You don't want a bullshit one. Right. All right, Bill, we do not want you to count us in. We're begging you not to count us in. Don't you do it, Bill. Don't you dare. I want to do it.

I want to do it. Can I do it for you? Five, six, seven, eight. Stories about a show we made. About a bunch of docs and nurses and a janitor who loved me. I said, here's a story that you all should know. So gather round to hear our, gather round to hear our Scratch Rewatch Show with Zach and Donald. Who is Bonnie Sykiewicz, Bill? She wrote this episode.

Bonnie Sykiewicz is a young comedy writer married to Mike Sykiewicz, who I wrote with on Friends. And she wrote for Gary Goldberg for a good period of time. And so I'd known her for a while. So how does that work? Just explain to people not in the business that occasionally a writer outside the normal writer's room will write a script. What's that about? Back in the old days with network shows, especially when there'd be 22 to like 26 episodes, you

would sometimes assign a couple of freelance scripts out because there are ways for writers that kind of, you know, we're still, you know, kind of trying to find their way onto a staff to make some money and find an in into the guild and to health insurance and all that stuff and you know is the equivalent of the old days is that not a thing anymore yeah nowadays it's a it's almost the same price to have a staff writer you know what they they change the system a little bit and so that like when you see a staff writer on a show they don't get paid for the scripts even if they write one staff writers and so i think the the guild was trying to create a situation that it was almost the same

price to have a staff writer for six or eight weeks. So they get the experience of being on a staff as it was to give someone a freelance script. Got it. I never knew that. And I believe this is Victor Nelly's first episode. Do you know if that's true or not? You should check it out,

but he became a regular on this. He's a good dude. He looked at it for me. He's a very good dude and he's a very good director. And I don't think it was his first episode i think his first episode was the one where uh we're at the funeral and uh george not the famous funeral george wallace funeral yeah george wallace uh imagining um someone's funeral and you imagine yourself being dead fooling everybody so that you could uh george wallace like the party all the time it's you imagining your funeral okay that was that was

a vicar not victor nelly episode i think that was his first one for those of you this is 422 and uh we're flashing back to the moment where uh carla and i kiss now in re-watching the kiss it you do see that lips are parted lips areips are definitely parted. It doesn't look innocent at all to me, bro. The lips are not pursed, bro. It does not look innocent at all to me. You guys are drinking. It's not a big deal. It's like a Zapruder tape.

You're like, okay, let me look. No, the lips are parted. And right afterwards, you say it was an accident, and she's giggling, and you're both supposed to be hammered. You seem to enjoy it too much as actual actor-actress, though. I mean, the real people. I feel like the real JD and the real Judy enjoyed it. Listen, I got to say, we talked about this last week,

and I was very upset watching it because I was like, I would never. This is Victor's first directing episode. Nailed it. My bad. So Bill and I, Bill, you weren't here last week, but Don and I were very upset watching this kiss because it just felt wrong, even this many years later.

But no, as you rewatch it, it wasn't just a pursed lip kiss. No. There were open lips. There was no tongue, but the lips were. The lips were open, but I also feel that. It was like a lip sandwich, layers of a lip sandwich. Look, it's soap opera-y. Look, it's a metaphor for I feel where this episode comes in time and where your podcast is right now, which is so interesting because it's like the halfway point, do you know what I mean, for this show.

And on the one hand, we knew what we were doing and there's a lot of funny stuff. On the other hand, I felt like this is right where the show was teetering a little bit. We could have easily gotten tired, you know what I mean, because I think done, I think we had done almost 80 something episodes of the show by now, you know, and a hundred. Yeah, exactly. And that, but instead I, you know, I felt like everybody kind of reinvigorated themselves the fifth season and went absolutely bat nuts crazy. So the, so it's, it's a very good one. I remember, but it's a lot of pressure. Don't you guys feel the pressure on your podcast right now in terms of if you go along go along go along there's you know this is what's

so interesting when you used to do shows for nine years you reach a point that you know how to do it you're doing it well and people enjoy it but it's very easy to get overly comfortable and complacent right and so then you have to go do we either mix it up or do we reinvigorate yeah well we're trying to do that in a sense because we also love, the four of us love doing it so much. And we see, obviously, there's an end to it. And we go, well, that's why we've been folding in some interviews here and there because we all kind of want to find a way to keep doing it. We jokingly say we're going to do a rewatch podcast of another show. But we're trying to figure out.

I think you should do a re-listen podcast of the original podcast. I think you should go back. I think you should re a re-listen podcast of the original podcast. I think you should go back. I think you should re-listen to this and then evaluate each episode and where you guys are strong. I don't know. I like, I think we have fun when we really, I mean, I know it's sort of everyone's doing it, but we really do like enjoy interviewing people that are super interesting. And, and maybe, maybe we'll do our

own version of that i don't know to be determined we also think about it for for four more seasons i also think i would love watching you guys do a rewatch podcast of a show that neither of you was on were on in case you had differing opinions and stuff like that well my joke was like my joke was like i said let's rewatch the office because there's already been a re-watch podcast. But Donald doesn't want to do that. I want to do A Different World, man, or something like that. That would be such a good – Or it would be tough to go into a drama for you. It's hard to do the – well, I mean I could joke about dramas all day long because some of them are like nuts.

No, I think it's – the obvious thing is it has to be a show with an overlapping fan base to Scrubs, like Community or something where it's the people that listen to this and love Scrubs feel the same way about another show. And then they all stay tuned. That seems logical. We should do short-lived shows. So each season is like we should do like Parker Lewis Can't Lose. That show was good. That show was good. Yeah, shows that were really good.

Or we could do classic comedies we grew up with like you know eddie murphy movies of the 80s you know oh my gosh i could talk about i could talk about eddie murphy all day long you know that buddy um all right well let's keep going so krista um in that lingerie wow i wrote down i wrote down the words lucky man bill i wrote down the words lucky man Bill. I wrote down between your bosoms, ma'am. You made me happy. She looks fantastic, Bill. Good marriage. I don't know if I could – I think my wife has an amazing body, but I don't know if I would show it off to everyone. Yes, you'd be proud of that.

Well, there was that one time. You're right about that. First of all, your wife is on – Your wife's a smoke show, dude. Your wife is very sexy, and i think you'd be proud to see there was that one time i do remember but i was shit-faced drunk and yeah there was that one time but yeah look krista to give krista props she's so shit you know about she's so game for anything man and her willingness to poke fun of herself and this thing really made me laugh and smile

but the crazy thing is she doesn't look old at all i know she looks hot she looks hot as balls that dude's freaking that dude's gay that's why he didn't what's funny is i assume he's supposed to be like the son of the next door neighbor but it looks like he lives there alone for some reason yeah he's over there the college kid he's like tom hanks and big why does this child live across the hall from them? And he, yeah, but anyway, he calls her ma'am, which spirals her out because she does not like being called ma'am. You know, I liked in that very next scene. And you guys got to tell me if you remember,

because you have better memories about this being on set. I think this is one of the last times that Ken Jenkins did his own stunt and he does his own fall and i thought he was two two of them two and they're big yeah and he did what i do he does the what i do at a much younger age which was hurl i mean you have a mat but you're still hurling yourself into the air and landing on your back and uh and he went for it he really did i really like the next line too because then the janitor says well well, I've got you here, sir, right after. The janitor is waxing the floors because he wants a new uniform. And he has drawings of the uniforms.

I don't know if you guys noticed a weird – this is just for you film geeks. There's a weird focus thing when the janitor is presenting his uniform ideas. Did you notice that at all? The focus is on Ken's ear, not the janitor. I didn't notice it. I just liked, we did this a lot writing-wise on this show, and I can give you guys other examples. At one point, we were going to show all the pictures he drew, and then we're like, it's funnier if we don't show them,

and people are just wondering what the outfits he drew. And we told Neil to make stuff up, because one of them was that's just a kangaroo sometimes i draw kangaroos well uh yeah so the janitor really wants to wait we're skipping one other joke ken on the ground at this as this was the same thing of the sign it kind of reminded me of when scott harris fell and they put the white tape around where he fell. And it stayed there for like eight seasons. Scott Harris, for the audience, was one of our assistant directors.

And I guess he fell and then the grips outlined his body like he had been murdered with white tape. Yeah, I think he broke something. He already messed up his leg. No, he had a concussion. Yo, okay, so the first time, this is one of the best. Like, this is one of the – he's one of my good friends, and so I can clown him a little bit, and he won't get upset about this. Season – I guess it was season two.

We're doing a basketball scene, and we're shooting around, and Bill would come to set whenever we did basketball scenes and play around and play ball, and we'd let the extras play and everything like that, and we'd always, you know. But then it got time to where we had to shoot. And I was dunking because we lowered the rim a little bit, and I'm dunking, and Scott said something stupid to me, something like, if it were a hire, you couldn't do that. And I said were a higher you couldn't do that and i said

something like you couldn't do that right now and i passed him the ball and he made the face like i got this and he dribbled and went one two and blew his knee out you see how surgery like three days later yeah yeah out for the rest of the season. For the rest of the season, done. He didn't work on the show? For the whole season, he was out. How's your leg, Zach? You got chomped on. How's your leg?

I got bit by a Rottweiler. Oh, my God. What? Yes, do what everybody know. I'm fine. It was a stunt with the dog. And the dog was trained to pull a throw blanket off of me.

And it's not the dog's fault. The dog was a beautiful dog and well-trained. But the joke is that I'm wrestling with the throw with the dog and the blanket got pulled too close to my arm and the dog just chomped down on my thigh. By the way, Zach sent me screenshots of it.

It is good and gross. You're going to have to see my boxers. I'm sorry. Don't die, dude. How do I show you this? That's just... You're going to get it. Ready?

Look at the dogs oh my god chop we got bruised too jesus oh my god that's a chomp getting bit by a rottweiler hurts right oh fuck i'm so sorry that happened i'm glad you're okay i had to be immediately be like because the kids were there i didn't want the kids to be scared because again it wasn't the dog's fault and it's you know it's basically a stunt gunner eye and shit happens but i was like holding it together holding it together and i was like i need a quick break and then they got all the kids out of the room i'm like oh no i didn't really cry but i wanted to i was crying on the inside what does the dog have more scenes in the movie or no um

the dog had a scene the next day and i was like i it was like i was mad at it we like we were like we like had we like looked at each other and then looked away from each other. No, again, it wasn't. Interrupting Bill. Wait, what? Interrupting Bill while he's on the show. Bill's still interrupting. Interrupting Bill.

Quick question. Did Zach talk about getting bitten by a Rottweiler today? Yeah, but only a little bit. Not a ton. He was sad about other stuff. Follow-up question. Are you answering what Bill's answering? Did he bring it up on his own?

Or Bill, this is for you, did you have to prompt him about it to set up this joke? I did. I was surprised, but I you have to prompt him about it to set up this joke? I did. I was surprised, but I had to actually ask him about it. Oh, my God. You're ridiculous. That makes sense, actually, because it's probably pretty painful. All right. Zach, Donald, love the show.

Bill, you're killing it. Thanks, man. Oh, my God. You are so ridiculous. I love that you ended your own interruption by a compliment of yourself. That was the best thing ever. Oh, that was so good. The action both of them.

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And we're back. We've lost Donald. It's still funny, dude. I'm sorry. Oh my God, you're ridiculous. All right, we're back. We're back. We're back we're back we're back yeah we're back oh my god he's mixing it up a little bit oh my gosh that's why you get paid the big bucks you're funny oh gosh um yeah i get bit by rottweiler but i'm okay and uh hey i can cross it i can cross it off my bucket list bit by rottweiler yes oh that's fun

um so jordan decides to botox her face and uh krista did a very funny job like literally the only things that it doesn't even her lips don't even move it's just her teeth she's like and i'll ask you guys a question by the way about this you and you too because it's krista when i said before that she's game for all this stuff when i asked her to do it she's like you know that what happens to all women on all shows is whether it's true or not is true a little is not true a lot whatever it is your main internet traffic once you hit 40 is work done picture of her face here look at her cheeks here yeah and do you guys get those guys do people do it to men? No, they just say old. They just did it to Zac Efron.

That's true. That's true. Something happened to him. I mean, come on. I don't know what it was, but something happened there. It's so interesting. He loves it. He loves it. To each of their own. Donald and I,

I just shake my head at this point, but whenever I post a picture of myself, someone will be like, oh, you got old. It's each of their own. Hey, but no, Donald and I, you know, I just shake my head at this point. But whenever I post a picture of myself, someone will be like, oh, you got old. It's so sad. Or Donald gets tired. They say he's tired. I'm tired all the time. But that was when I was smoking a crap ton of weed. Yeah, you do your skin.

So you're probably a little sleepy. Yeah. No, because he stopped smoking so much. I stopped smoking, period, dude. Did you really? Yeah, I don't smoke weed right now, and I don't drink right now. I've had a couple of drinks here and there, but for the most part, I'm a sober man. I'm about to hit four months, no booze.

My daughter said she is California sober, which I did not know, but apparently amongst the kids means weed only. Really? No booze. That's great. Oh, my God. Imagine doing that at 20 years old. That No booze. That's great. Oh my god, imagine doing that at 20 years old. That's very advanced. Good for her. She just said

that it made me happy because it's always scary to think. Any of your kids out there drinking. She said, anytime I drink, I feel shitty the next day. I just want to go home and go to bed. Why bother? That's very, very, very very very mature at 20 years old because i was uh the opposite but i i feel dude i love the mornings now i never thought i'd be a morning person

so this is just a disclaimer out there for all of you listening we're not telling you that you need to be sober oh yeah we have to say this or people fill our Instagram with like don't tell me what to do we don't give a fuck what to do everybody that likes this podcast needs to stop drinking that's it is that the point we're making

no no go pound your white claw I do have to say though go pound your white claw yeah go have your hot girl summer and pound your white claw i do have to say though go pound your white claw yeah go have your hot grill summer and pound you know what i've done as an old guy i just cut it down to two days a week tops you know i mean and because and never having this silly couple of drinks that go nowhere just make you feel like shit the next day that's my big i just i just you know it's it definitely is uh uh in my 40s thing i noticed that i'm just less tired with, you know, and I'm not,

I'm not like full on, like I'm sure this summer I'm going to have some drinks. I just mean that like, I noticeably feel better without drinking every day or every other day. Anyway, back to the show, right guys, let's talk about how JD says,

I can't use lip balm. I always end up eating it. When I was little, I used to spread it on crackers. Um, that is disgusting gross i don't know where the hell you came up with that william but there's a lot of funny jokes in this man when i go you kissed my wife you know what that was inspired by no you shit on my house can't buy me love yeah do you remember that yes so the way i say you kissed my wife is very similar to how uh oh i thought it might have been scarface and you fucked my wife no no no that's a different cadence right there

okay sorry sorry i liked it donald uh i liked that donald was able the turk was able to tell jd to sit on the floor calmly in anger, and J.D. just does sit on the floor. I know, it's such a weird punishment. Sit on the floor. Sit on the floor. I don't want, okay. I'll do what you say.

Now, when the girls kiss to do a, did you cut away from that on purpose, Bill? Because you didn't show it. Yeah, we cut away in person. It was disappointing to everyone across the world. Did you have to cut away? that on purpose bill because you didn't show it yeah we cut away in person it was disappointing everyone across the world did you have to cut away was it like a censor thing no no look it was what i said before it's like we started to become enamored with and also i'm with elliot and uh the the fantasy that they've got the sexual fantasy that guy josh randall has is we always think it's funny uh we got obsessed with jokes that the audience doesn't

get to see and they just imagine. Like, so in this one, it was just so you remember, it was the drawings that you don't get to see. The janitor changes off camera a number of times. I think one of them, Zach, says, who gets a tattoo of a mop? He has a secret mop tattoo. Yeah. And then and then it was Judy and I mean, Elliot and Carla kissing. Yeah.

Well, so they're kissing and we don't see it thanks a lot bill and um and they cut to todd down in the cafeteria about to eat a giant very phallic hot dog and he says uh something wonderful is happening yeah i love that he's got a giant phallic hot dog because later when the janitor says and that's supposedly straight surgeon right so the janitor has waxed everything no matter where kelso goes he waxed the counter that was funny and the phone that was really funny they did a good job of um of shooting uh uh some of these sight gags. I laughed. And then, yeah, by the way, I watched Girls 5 Ever.

Have you seen it? It's very Scrubs-esque. Funny. Yeah, it's funny. And John Inwood shooting it, our cinematographer who shot our whole show. He became a good director. Go ahead, Donald. Deontay kisses Johnny's hand. Yeah, that's what makes me laugh so hard i was deontay i didn't

know yeah that was sarah says you have a god complex he's like no i don't kiss my ring i didn't recognize him without his uh puka shell choker but um um so the janitor we learn has a tattoo of mop as bill said and um what about that fantasy the turk has where i just i'm starting making it with judy and i put her legs up the leg i'm watching judy as performers are having too much fun i want to hear donald's take on it but i don't think it said in the script that he puts her leg over his shoulder yes well remember when sarah was dressed as a naughty nurse and they were making out what we're talking about right now we're on something different right now and we were joking around like it felt like

kissing my sister this doesn't look like you guys felt like you were kissing this looked like some pent-up sexual energy that you had man judy is fine as hell and i was happy to pretend to make out with her let's put it that way but i putting her leg up i'm sure in the script it didn't say he then puts her leg up but it was funny i did not write he then grabs her leg and puts it over his own but it was funny bill it was funny um what about yeah so so then todd goes that color really brings out your package with the janitor's uniform so the janitor is all thrown out of whack because no one finds him scary in in light blue scrubs scrubs on yeah uh it is a it is uh um an rip moment but my favorite version of it is seeing Sam Lloyd not terrified

by the janitor for once. And he's got his orange tie. That's the best. When he gets punched at the end, he goes, oh, I'm going home. Because Kelso has done the research that yellow makes people angry, and

Sam Lloyd keeps getting punched because he's wearing a yellow tie. Just in the same arm. I saw a moment, and we jumped over that, remind me how funny Sarah Chalk is. She talks about being a teen girl, and that's the age that your breasts grow. And then she casually says, not always symmetrically.

Spoiler alert. Is that really a thing I wonder do breasts grow asymmetrically yes it was really Sarah was really funny did they catch up like Sarah showed

not always that's funny Sarah Sarah really is so it was really funny in this episode oh she was so good at it.

She boinged his curls. You know John McGill hated that. Carla sucking on my fingers. Yeah, that got, see what I'm saying? My face when I'm in ecstasy is so funny. Yeah, I laughed really hard at that. I've got my eyes rolled back in my head and I'm like, and my lips are moving. Yeah, by the way, it's when it pans over to you and finds you. and I'm like, and my lips are moving. Yeah. By the way,

we it's when it pans over to you and finds you. I did not expect that. And I'd forgotten that. There's two jokes I'd forgotten. I wrote down and they're both in a row. One is I had forgotten that when she was sucking your fingers, we'd reveal your eyes out in your head. And then the other one that I forgot,

which is right after that, the act break is Donald gets mad at you guys in the cafeteria and when we come back the whole cafeteria is demolished and donald goes look obviously i overreact so in the world of the show turk took the time to destroy the entire entire cafeteria yes everybody's gone and zach you casually have a tomato slice on your forehead i'm still trying to calm him down it's just like he's destroyed the cafeteria there's a tomato on my forehead obviously i've obviously i got out i got a little out of control no no no no no no you're fine i mean that must have taken 20 minutes

i mean you really raged. You were like the Hulk. That really made me laugh. But again, another one of those jokes. This is the point that we would stumble onto something in the writer's room and go, this is funny, let's try it. But it's like the sixth joke in this show that happens. You don't get to see it happen.

You know what I mean? You just get to imagine what happened. What about how I tell Carla that i had sex with tunis tunis turks family housekeeper and what happened was she was buffing the nightstand and then she just kept on buffing that shit had me rolling too that had me rolling and then the speech in between that had me rolling where you guys are talking about who's gonna take the blame and you're like thank you for you know you tell her thank you for taking it she goes get out of here all you're gonna do is go die and then you guys gonna be fine he? And you're like, thank you for, you know, you tell her thank you for taking it. She goes, get out of here. All you're going to do is go, ah,

and then you guys are going to be fine. And you're like, get out of here. All you're going to do is have sex with him. And if I have sex with him, he'll probably just end up even madder at me. No, dude, the funny part about it was that I'm like, he'll probably, like there's anything, like there's a chance it could go either way.

If I fuck him, it could go either way. But I'm leaning. Most likely. I'm leaning to him being madder right that was very funny no so normally when someone has a magazine in a tv show you folks not in the business you not only don't get the rights to the real magazine because you don't have the rights to the pictures and everything so they have these fake magazines so the teenage girl in this if you look at the magazine all right it says totally teen on the

front right but then on the back there's all these faces and they're just they're just scrambled like no one took the time to like you could have bought stock art of like licensable pictures of teens like but they just that's what i'm telling you this is that ep this is right when the show was teetering on are we gonna mail it in or are we gonna well someone in the prop department no offense mailed that in because all they did was just scramble the teens' faces on the back of the magazine. Johnny props mailed it in? Is that what you're saying? Don't.

He would burst through your wall and grab you by the neck. He'll be like Kool-Aid out of nowhere. Oh, yeah. I love our prop department. I just think it's funny that the teen magazine wasn't the most believable prop ever made. I will tell you guys that what i i'm so appreciative of you two and everybody because these are the episodes when i go back and watch them i'm like all right we've kind of done a story like this before and we're not breaking

new ground with this stuff writing wise but the performers are so good it's still you know just talking about donald when we come back from the break or zach i bet you kept on buffing wasn't really scripted we'll have to see you know what i mean and uh uh and then for me right after that because i remember this um uh we wrote in the script that neil flynn walks around with that weird camera you know what it's called zach is on his face yeah there's different names for it but it's actually mounted to Neil. And that was really clever. I'm assuming that was a Victor Nelly thing, right? Or is that your idea?

Yeah, but what was it for me is the inspiring part is all it said in the script was Neil walks around reacting to people that aren't afraid of him and just watching what he was riffing as he can't because they're all extras. They, you know, they did that. Victor did that. So he explained to people that there's no way he could have done those at the same time. Victor,

you know what I mean? Right. So, so that, that what, what you do is that, you know, and you've seen this in,

in certain films before, but it's a way to Mount the camera to someone's body. And, and, and, and we had never done a look like that in, in five, in four seasons of scrub.

So it's cool. It's a testament to bill that a director comes in and goes, Hey, I have an out of the box way how to do this sequence. Are you down with it? And he's like, yeah, go for it. So it's cool. It's a testament to Bill that a director comes in and goes, hey, I have an out-of-the-box way how to do this sequence. Are you down with it? And he's like, yeah, go for it.

And, you know, it was kind of a unique way to say, to just show the janitor's changed perspective. And just watching him do happy birthday, all right, whatever.

And once you keep moving, just watching Neil react to no one is one of those inspiring moments that you guys all have in this episode. Then it was come on, get happy. Is that what it was? Yeah, yeah. And the guys all have in this episode. Then it was come on, get happy. Is that what it was?

Yeah. Yeah. And the only one that was scripted was stopping at Jordan, you know, because the director had to go and Jordan who has no expression. And then Neil just shakes it off and keeps moving. I mean, it was well done.

But a point is you guys are also good when you get a show that lasts a long time. I don't know if it'll happen anymore. It's the actors and actresses that carry it through the middle when the writers get a little punch drunk and then hopefully they kind of get reinvigorated which i think we really did well bill i gotta say you know um one thing you really set the the you know you set the table with our ability to do this and i'm doing it on on cheaper by the dozen now and it's so fun it's like we always get the words as written out of respect for all the hard work you guys put in.

And then if we have an idea, we do it. Sometimes it's not nearly as funny. Sometimes you just strike gold and it's funnier. And it's such a fun way for comedic actors to work. It's so freeing. I love it. Well, it enables you to kind of lean on each other too, especially when you're in that grind of having to do 26 episodes a year or something.

This was one of those years where we did more than 22 episodes too. I think so. I think so. I'd have to check, but I believe I have it right here. We did 25. Oh, that is a lot. That's a lot of TV. That's pretty much the whole year. Almost a lot of television. Plus we're taking a week off after three to catch up writing wise. Yeah. And sometimes my favorite memories of the show are when you, when we would come right, when you'd come to the set and we'd rehearse and we'd and we'd just make it better we whether it was your joke or our joke or some funny blocking or the director's idea

just going this was already funny and we just made it 10 times funnier that was that that was the most fun i ever had on the on scrubs i loved it um that's I miss those things too I still look at this stuff and I go ah we could have done better as right like you know what struck me in this one we should have called back Roland your victory dance coach what is that he's so funny where did that come from I was laughing Roland the victory dance coach it's so funny by the way all we had to do this is what now this is why streaming is so cool you didn't do this in network because hopefully people like that hopefully he went on to do other stuff whoever that actor was and they aren't around your world in a streaming version of scrubs uh role in the victory dance coach you would have had this one scene and then a year later when you did a great

victory dance impromptu as you did in the show you would cut to uh you know just the other side and roland would be there going like this pumping his arm yeah but do you remember what the genesis of this was i don't even remember that actor at all no but he was funny he was very funny and i and he goes i go thanks roland one day i'll get it he was just helping out with your Victor Death set up. And then, Donald, we finally kiss. Yeah, but it was an awkward kiss. I think it might have been our first and only kiss. Have we ever really made out? That's the only time you and I have ever kissed.

I think our lips have never really held together long. Tips have touched. Tips have touched. Through clothes. Well, we've docked. We've docked. But I don't think that we... No. Yes. We've docked we've docked but i don't think that we um no yes we've docked donald yeah but like like but i don't think we've ever kissed it was also disingenuous because you

said this is all it was and that's not what it was no you're right because there was open milk lip sandwich there was lip did you say open milf lip sandwich no it's a farting slip it's a farting slip well she is now but it was uh lip lip lip lip you know what i mean a lip stack like a stack of pancakes that's right and then my uh my last two jokes we should have done that on ours my last two jokes were i'm going home from sam just made me laugh so hard i laughed really hard yeah you were the last one to hit him too, Donald. Yeah. With the karate hit.

By the way, he's not mad at you. He knows. Ah, again. I'm going home. Why did I write down boobies, boobies,

boobies? Who says that? Because that's where Donald, uh, uh, strep, what slept with, uh,

he slept with a stripper that time at boobies. Oh yeah. And Donald says, that was you. And you're like, yeah, but I gave her your name. I really love the name of the strip club was Boobies, Boobies, Boobies.

That's the worst strip club ever. No, it would be a great name for a strip club. You know what you get. In Tampa, maybe. The last joke I had was the janitor talking to birds. And I didn't understand it because why isn't he trying to kill these things and stuff them? He's only into squirrels. Yeah, the only squirrels.

Only squirrels. He's only into squirrels. He's only into squirrels. My last joke is, and that is it. I didn't know if I liked it at the beginning when you were thinking about the progression of relationships. You know what I mean? I thought it was a little, because we didn't shoot it great. Remember, we had to kind of speed up and slow down when you're like, I went a couple of meets, a couple of this, a couple of that.

Then I thought of the circus for some reason. And there's a clown in bed. Juggling is too surreal. Yeah. But I like those though. I wish it was a fantasy. I wish it was a fantasy, but I loved the call back at the end.

When you go to Donald, quit acting like some weird cowboy. And he goes, cowboy, you go, I don't know. It just popped into my head. There's no reason.

A cowboy walks out behind me. Why is there a fully dressed cowboy in the hospital? He probably got hurt at the rodeo, man. By the way, rodeo in wherever we live? When we scripted it, I think we probably thought it would be just a dude with jeans and cowboy boots and a cowboy hat. But that was a full cowboy. That was a full cowboy. He had the rope and everything.

He went full cowboy. Joel, do we have a guest here? Yes, we do. Okay, we're going to was a full cowboy. That was full cowboy. He had the rope and everything. He went full cowboy. Joel, do we have a guest here? Yes, we do. Okay, we're going to take a quick break, and when we come back, we'll be back with the guest and the Bill Lawrence. We'll be right back. When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, it's powerful. That's where The Bright Side comes in, a new daily podcast from Hello Sunshine that's bringing

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always the hardest. It's always the feeling when you're getting ready. People give up right before they get what they've always wanted to get people quit listen to on purpose with jay shetty on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back and we're back now daniel can you play the new song live because i really do like to hear it oh yeah absolutely is there a absolutely. We have a new song that intros the guests written by our friend and supporter, Travi Wavi. And by the way, Donald, you didn't reply

to my sort of rough drafts of a Casey theme song. I like the idea of a Casey theme song. You didn't like my rough draft? No, I thought it was fire. You didn't reply? You didn't say, I want to lay down the vocal? That's cool. Who's going to sing that? It's me.

I want Donald to sing it. Okay. All right. I'm going to have Charlotte sing the interrupting Bill thing. I'm going to have Charlotte do it. That would be great. That would be so dope. That would be so dope.

Have Andrew Watt produce it. Yeah, I have Watt produce Charlotte doing interrupting Bill. We'll get some serious production value. But wait, Joel, will you coordinate, please, Donald singing the new track that I wrote? Travi Wavi can produce it, but that I wrote for Casey's coming to give parental advice. Okay, Bill, here is a new Travi Wavi track to introduce our guests. Go ahead. We got a caller who gave us a holler. We can talk, start a war, just sing some tunes,

able to holler. We can talk Star Wars or sing show tunes, you know, like a baller. Smoke some jazz cabbage. Maybe talk about the episode. So come on, Joel, let's get the show on the road. Wait for it.

Ooh, I like that. Yeah. Hey! Is that trumpet? I think it's trumpet with a plunger. With a thing on it. Oh, trumpet with one of those things you put on the end to look cool? Trumpet with a toilet plunger, yeah. I like that.

That's great, TraviWebby. Thank you. And let's bring in our guest. I like how there's a subtle dig in there. It's like, and maybe talk about the episode. I know. I noticed that. Bring on the guest, please.

Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Michelle and Joseph! Welcome to the show, guys. We're so happy you're here. Joelle, give us an introduction to how you chose these two lovely people. Yeah, of course. Okay, so we had a big conversation last week oh my gosh i knew this was gonna happen yes you guys i knew this was gonna happen whoa i wasn't sure whoa i wasn't sure anyone's gonna respond to the request of people who have slept with their partner's best

friends but uh our listeners did not there was a literally a tsunami of people being like, yo, I did it or it happened to me. And so, you know, Michelle wrote in sharing her story. And I was like, we have to get her on the podcast to talk about this. All right. So Michelle.

Oh, so listen, you guys, this is a way to have Zach or Donald tell me that they hooked up with Krista at some point. No. Oh, my God. No.

No. Only in my dreams, Bill. Bill, you're crossing the line, Zach. You are crossing the line. He knows I've had a few erotic dreams about Krista. Oh, my God. So, wait. Guys, we're so glad you're here.

They're reminding you, if you didn't hear last week's episode, JD and Carla hook up. They just kiss. But we were talking about, oh, my gosh, it's so horrible. How could a friendship ever recover from that? And I jokingly said to Joelle, or I said on the air, I wonder if there's a couple that would come on and talk about that. And then Joelle's email got filled with people that had, oh, you got to hear my story.

You got to hear my story. And she selected Michelle and Joseph. So, guys, you got to hear my story. I mean, my story. And she selected Michelle and Joseph. So guys go, how did it happen? What, what went down? Uh, well, first I feel honored that the email is flooded and I got picked, I guess it was my subject line, but, uh, I'm also honored. By the way, man, you have such good humor about this already. It's just tip of the hat to you. Outstanding. Okay. Michelle, how did it happen? What happened? So obviously we've all been in quarantine for the past year and his best friend was kind of in our bubble. He recently went through a divorce right as quarantine was

getting started. He was really lonely. So like we just, we scooped him up into our arms. We've known him for 10 years, like, you know, come in, you know, every week he would come over and we would just hang out. And, um, you know, there lots of alcohol was consumed. Everything that's happened has been sober. Let me just say that. Um, but we just kind of realized that there was a little bit of a spark there. And my husband and I have been married for 10 years. We've known each other for 17 years. We've known each other for 17 years. We met in high school. We have literally been the only people we've ever been with. Do you guys grow up together? Like same town, same forever and ever and ever type of thing? Pretty close. Like a town over. Very small Midwestern town. So very Midwestern sensibilities

on a lot of things. And you guys, you just said you ran by it, but you two have only been with each other. Correct. Well. Okay. Up until recently. We should have a Jerry Springer kind of show. That's what I walked into here. Wait, but this doesn't sound

Jerry Springer-ish. This sounds more like what was the movie, The Big Chill? Was that the one where they're all hanging out in the cabin together? Yeah's a great movie yeah wonderful movie okay donald zach do you see that just keep moving further back yeah bill's getting in the bathroom soon all right michelle go on go ahead okay i love it um we actually met on a blind date at a high school dance And never looked back So we've been the only ones

And we are totally in love And still are No kids yet? Two kids and they're upstairs And I'm surprised they haven't killed themselves Or killed each other while we were waiting for you guys We've been waiting so long She's actually fucked two of my friends

Oh my god that's what i'm talking about my bills out look at bill he can't bill's bill's leaving he can't i knew this was gonna make bill uncomfortable no i first of all you guys are so evolved that you can't even talk about like this but i continue because i'm on the edge of my seat so um if i can interject real quick too and this isn't anything bad but like we do have two kids young kids um and you have really faced the brunt of the quarantine with them so for the last year you've been working from home and we kept our kids home for the majority of the pandemic. So not only were we not being able to interact with any adults whatsoever, besides each other, you were also with two children, an eight-year-old and a five-year-old, 24-7. Okay. Joseph, you're already way too understanding.

All right, Michelle, continue the story, please. He's the best, isn't he? I understand the headspace there because I was able to, like my job, I was able to get out and I wasn't like going and whining and dining people or anything, but at least I had other human interaction. Whereas like, I can see how you're craving something that isn't being completely delivered at that point. Michelle, continue, please. So I started to have these feelings like, what if? Like, life is so short.

Like, we are going to be together forever. Like, I was just curious. And so I actually approached him and we had many, many conversations about it. He was a little hesitant at first, understandably, because I'm great and he didn't want to lose and i i mean i think it goes without saying i'm much look at bill i'm sorry uh bill is now hiding under a tagline flag all right go ahead oh wait so by the way when you say you approached him you mean you mean

you mean jack you did your okay mean, Jack, you're okay. So this is a different takes a turn. You asked permission from Joe to experiment. Okay. Yes. Yes. I said, you know, I have these feelings and like, I was going to put myself out there and ask this other person. And they could possibly say, what are you? Are you crazy? Like, why would I do that? could possibly say, what are you, are you crazy? Like, why would I do that? So after many talks, we said yes. And like just open communication about the whole thing. So I asked the other person and he's like, heck yeah. Yeah. That's the only thing I could have predicted about this whole thing. I asked this other guy, I'm like, would you be interested in kind of no strings attached hookup?

And you're not going to believe this, you know, me being attractive. And he said, yeah. I'm like, no. Now, wait, Joseph, this is your friend, too. So you did he did he when he talk it out like you're I'm going to give you permission to have sex with my wife. You know, we we have like an unspoken bond. I feel like. Like, I've known this guy for a long, long time.

And this sounds really weird, but I think of him as more of like a brother. So maybe that gets into a weird family tree as a wreath type of situation here. But... Look at Bill. I mean, it was... We made Bill Lawrence uncomfortable. You did. You did.

But by the way, this is going to be in Ted Lasso season three. So you can tell you that. All right. So continue. How did it go down? I mean, you don't have to tell us.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. Come on, bro. No, you don't have to be graphic,

but tell us like, it will not be details. So don't, don't, don't details, but I'm saying how, okay. You can,

without telling us details, how did the night itself go down? Like, how does it happen? And I might more into the aftermath, too, is if the afterwards of it, yeah, okay. All right. Like, was Joseph in the house? Did Joseph go out for beers? Like, what happened?

So let me preface this by saying that this friend comes over every week still. He was just up last night. We stayed up until 3 o'clock in the morning listening to music and just hanging out. Like, has not affected the friendship whatsoever. So basically the arrangement is every other week I go over to our friend's house. He's single. I go over there. We hang out, do whatever. And then I come home and. Oh, it's an ongoing it's an ongoing thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, so I have home and. Oh, it's an ongoing, it's an ongoing thing. Oh yeah. Oh, so I have a question.

Are you guys, I mean, are you guys perhaps swingers? I mean, that's a very common thing. No, before this, like if anyone were to like find out and a few people know, but not many, but like I am, as he said, we have very Midwestern sensibilities. Like we grew up very traditionally and like, this is not anything that was ever in the ballpark. Like, but I feel like as we got older, like we kind of matured, you know, like sexually and everything, we've got more experimental and stuff and like we've been together for 17

years. So like, you know, Joseph, the obvious question is, are you allowed to? Yeah, Joseph is a two-way street. Are you allowed to do that? And is there a way that Zach Donald and I can make that happen for you? No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking.

I'm joking. Well, now I find out that I'm allowed to. You never asked before if you could. You never thought to ask, okay, I'm going to do this for, which is, which most men I am assuming or couldn't do, but you never thought to ask, will I be allowed the same luxury? We did. We did talk about that. That's part of the conversation. And he does have permission. I don't have any really good friends that he would want. Oh, it has to be somebody. It has to be somebody that you guys both know is what you're saying.

It can't be just some rando. I mean, it could if he wanted to. I would want to know who it is and be open about it. I don't think that this would evolve into just meeting somebody in a back alley. But we've got some people that he has a crush on. We've got our eye on a couple people. No, not really. Zach, where's Flo?

Oh, yes. Let's all take a deep breath. Holy shit. Let's all take a deep breath. God, interesting people. Okay. No, wait. I'm speechless, but we've all seen,

those of us who aren't swingers have seen documentaries and stuff on TV, and this So I just, I just, I, I, I'm speechless, but I, I, we've all seen those of us who aren't swingers have seen documentaries and stuff on TV. And this seems to me and, and like an, an open sort of relationship where there's a bit of an agreement. And I just wonder if that's what you guys have segued into. It sounds like it to me, right. Or no. I mean, it's a fairly recent development, like the past couple of months. And part of it is the experimentation. Part of it is the person, you know, the friend.

Like, you know, I would never at this point, at least, be like, hey, I met somebody, you know, I've known them for a month. Like, I'm going to go off and do this thing with them. Like, there is still that very deep friendship with this person who I'm very good friends with too. So it's just like, it's totally a friends with benefits type of situation. Joe, you're able to still see him and be like, Hey man, how you doing? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it really hasn't changed our relationship. You know, like we've always, we've always been close. In fact,

when you mentioned it that you wanted to do this i was like do you want me there yeah is this like an invitation would you have wanted to have been there if she said yes i mean maybe for moral support more so than anything else like a high five, I guess. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I do not understand this generation. I don't understand this generation. Well, this is a very rare, I mean, I don't mean, listen, I don't know anything about this kind of world.

I certainly could not handle this. I know you two couldn't handle this. The only way if I, by the way, the only way that anyone would hear the story of me hooking up with my wife's friend would be on dateline and they would be doing yeah they would be trying to figure out what happened to bill lawrence and at the end they would go why is all the carpeting removed from chris's car trunk and why is it everywhere i'm just too jealous and i would just get in my head about it. Even if,

even if I was allowed to do the same thing, I think I'm just too jealous for that kind of thing. Well, you guys seem to communicate in ways that young couples often don't, which is a fairly impressive, but if you've never been a jealous guy before in your life, are you, are you not a jealous person?

I only recently got hot. So confidence. I don't see myself as like a typical alpha male type of guy. And like when, when this whole topic was broached, there was my gut reaction was like, I should be really pissed off about this because that's what guys do in this situation. Yeah, those are gender norms or whatever, right? Yeah, and I'm like, well, how much of that is my actual feeling and how much is it what I'm supposed to do? And we talked about this and I was like, people like in movies, people end relationships over this. Like, people kill each other over things like this.

But it's like, but like, I mean, other than the shock of first hearing it, I was like, you know, it's fine. It's just sex, you know? Like. Yeah. That's all it is. But I mean, the human heart is fragile. You have to be very confident that you're not being emotionally cheated on. Yeah, I mean, my fear would be.

Very confident. yeah i mean my fear would be very confident my fear would be joseph that you know the obvious that she would start to develop uh more feelings for him or that they're having better sex or you know i would i would just uh well now that you bring that up i think i do have a couple questions i don't want i don't want to ruin your guy's situation no i'm joking joking. We talked about all that, you know, and a lot of it came down to what my initial objections were all about me, how it made me feel. And it became more of like, I didn't want this because of my own ego. And you had told me like, this is completely not about you. This is about me as in you. not about you. This is about me as in you. And it, once I understood that, that it wasn't like I was, or you were missing something from me. It was something that you were giving to yourself. I guess I understood it better. Yeah. And I will say like through all of this, like,

I feel like our relationship has gotten deeper on another level. Like there's this trust that we have and we've always had it, but like the fact that you were able to take a step back from yourself and, um, you know, see what I wanted. And I have always been a giver. Like I take care of our kids endlessly. I take care of everything. I think like he's, he would be dead if I left is part of it. I'm very reliant. Well, I, I will say that, you know, it seems that it could help prolong. I mean, on the plus side of it, it could be prolonging your relationship because you, you, you clearly love each other very much and you don't want to, there's not that desire to be unfaithful because it's all out in the open. You've spoken about it. I mean, that would, let's see.

I just, I don't know, man. My lungs got tight thinking about it. Donald, what do you have to say about this? You know, I feel like if it's what you, if you guys have come to an agreement and you both are understanding, you know, who is anybody to judge? You know what I mean? This is your life.

This is your marriage. What makes you happy is what makes you happy. And so absolutely, if this is something you guys are both agreeing on, that you both agree on, go for yours, man. I will say this. go for yours, man. I will say this. My wife would fucking murder me if I stepped to her and was like, yo, so let me just say this. I'm doing a show with this girl, and she kind of thinks she's great.

The good news is she's great. She's great. She's awesome. I might just have Krista listen to this episode of the podcast and just be like, listen to how happy this couple sounds. I mean, honestly, one of the things that like made me really excited to come on here is like, this is a new thing for us. And like, we talk about it, like it's, you know, it's, it's evolving and like, you know, I feel really good about it, but you don't hear people talk about this stuff. And, you know, if someone listens to this and be like, hey, like, this is a good example, like it can work

because like you said, in movies and in shows, you, you know, the best friend sleeps with the wife and then things fall apart. I don't think, I don't think what you guys are doing is out of the, is unordinary. There's a whole bunch of people that live this way. There's so many different strokes for different folks nowadays. Of course.

But also, another thing is, you didn't do it, you didn't cheat. You spoke about it. Exactly. And you came to an agreement without going behind the other person's back, which betrayal is so horrible. It's such a horrible feeling. So you didn't betray each other.

You were open about it. And it just, just so happens. You, you married a man who was, who was open to it. That, that, that is a, that is a different thing. Means you're probably a good match. You too. Yeah, absolutely. I do feel like Joseph should have his chance though, but I don't want to fuck anything up. He absolutely can. We have, we have joked about that joseph look through her look through all her friend photographs can you say an automatic return uh guest visit when if joseph ever has

an opportunity oh my god let me know your motivation you know how much stress that's just put on me? Oh, no. Listen, I feel all over again. I feel like Chuck Woolery. If it happens for Joseph and he enjoys himself, we'd be willing to pay for him to go out with her. Yes. Is that how the dating game works?

Absolutely go on a date if you guys pay for it. It feels very fragile. I don't want to fuck up the thing you have going on. You guys have a pretty ecosystem going on. I think Joseph should come back on. You should both come back on when Joseph has had his turn and we'll check in. Ha ha. spot to help you get through your day. It's powerful. That's where The Bright Side comes in, a new daily podcast from Hello Sunshine that's bringing you a daily dose of joy. I'm Danielle

Robay. And I'm Simone Boyce. Listen, both Danielle and I are reporters. We've covered the news and we know the world can feel heavy, but The Bright Side podcast is a space to have a little fun, to learn something new, and get into some friendly debates. That's right. Join us podcast is a space to have a little fun, to learn something new and get into some friendly debates. That's right. Join us five days a week to see how life can look from the bright side. We'll hear from celebrities, authors, experts and listeners like you. Whether it's relationships, friend advice or figuring out how to navigate life's transitions. We'll talk through it all together. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine every weekday on the iHeartRadio app,

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and sharing that journey with so many of you. There's something so authentic about a podcast. It's me connecting, me talking raw in the moment. That's what my goal is to give you, to talk about why I feel that cancer to a certain extent is a gift, what my responsibilities are as a person with cancer, because I think that there's something so much bigger than me. And to be honest, I'm still trying to find out what that is. And maybe together, we'll find it. It's going to be a wild ride. So I hope that you all tune in. Listen to Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey, my name's Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. I just had a great conversation with Michael B. Jordan, and you can listen to it right now. Michael is known for his performances in both film and television. His breakout role was in Fruitvale Station,

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what they've always wanted to get. People quit. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you guys have any questions for us? Oh, we do. I totally forgot about the question portion of this episode.

Go ahead. Go ahead. We're going long, so maybe just do one question. She's only got one, and it's a great question. Okay, go ahead. So, Zach and Donald, besides Scrubs, what is your favorite thing that the other person has been involved in? Like a show, a movie, besides Scrubs?

I'm not allowed to talk about what zach's involved in that i really really enjoy because it's well you can pick something else other than the top secret project i um i i guess i'm gonna pick an obvious one i'm sorry but uh i know the joke on here is that it took me forever to watch remember the titans but when i finally did i was genuinely blown away by Donald's acting in the movie. I thought, you know, I know Donald mostly as a comedian and I love him as a comedic actor.

And of course he is some comic relief in the movie. But I just thought watching, I was so proud when I watched him go toe to toe with fucking Denzel Washington, probably one of the greatest, not probably, definitely one of the greatest living actors there is. And I was blown away by how good he was in that movie. So when I first met Zach, we joked that I didn't read Garden State, but there are some other

scripts that, well, two scripts that he gave me that I read that we won't talk about on the show. And I'm amazed. First of all, I'm amazed by how bright Zach is. Like when it comes to business and when it comes to creating things, he's, in my opinion, him and Bill are like, they freaking blow my mind every time. And the things that they think about and the angles that they, you know, come at things with always blows my mind. But Zach is an amazing storyteller. He's an amazing storyteller from writing it to directing it. He's amazing at it. Thank you.

Wait till you see Solos. You're going to be blown away. I haven't watched it yet. I haven't watched it yet. Did you guys watch it? I was going to, but. Thank you. See, there we go.

There we go. Maybe you can wait and jump on this call. Maybe you shouldn't have shotgunned it. Maybe you can watch it when you're at, what's his name's house? Oh my God. I feel like I'm a very lucky person to have these two in my life

because I'm getting to the point now where I am starting to create things and to know that I have two best friends that I can be like, yo, can you just look at this and just tell me if I'm headed in the right direction is a great comfort for me. So, wow. That was a good question. And we love you. That's a good question. Great answers, man. And, and we're going to work, work with Bill again, one day on something. Cause we, the three of us are a good trio. There's a cool surprise one going now, Zach.

Yes, there's a top secret one that is in development. Donald probably doesn't even know how juicy it currently is. All right, listen. You guys, I think you might win best guess. This was amazing. Do we want to fix their life? Do they want us to fix their life? They fixed each other's lives.

I feel like they fixed it already on their own. The only thing they need fixed is it's Joseph's turn to equal things out. That's the only thing. You guys, you were amazing guests. And I really, in all honesty, no joke, I'm so impressed with how mature you are about this and how you found a way to make your marriage exciting. And kudos to you.

And Joel, very good guest finding. Awesome guests, candid. And by the way, nobody gets to see people like we do. You can tell you guys really love each other. So it was fun talking to you. And for the audience, you should know just to make this even more bizarre, they're both very good looking. Yeah, it's very upsetting. I mean, these are fine looking people. All right. I thought we could end today with Josh Radin's song because it's in the episode, Don't Look Away, which is a great song. And as you all know, we're only allowed to play songs

of our friends, like the Charlotte Lawrence and the Josh Radin. But Donald, anything you want to say? You know, it's been, I thought this was a great episode. Very funny. Thank you, Bill. Yeah, I want to thank Bill for coming on the show for sure. Oh, man, been, it's, I thought this was a great episode. Uh, very funny. Thank you. Yeah. I want to thank Bill for coming on the show for sure, man.

I missed it. And I got to see these two. This is awesome. Michelle and Joseph. One love. Zach Donald. Michelle and Joseph are symbolic that they were here when I said, this is like your halfway point.

And so to me, you guys, it's come back with, as the owner and creator of this podcast, who I think made a great choice in hiring you guys originally, when Daniel, Joelle, and I decided to go with Zach and Donald, one of the things we talked about was going, if we're going to do this many episodes of this show, by the midway point, that's when you juice it up and add energy and kind of reinvigorate.

I felt you guys doing it today, both with these guests. And that was very savvy to have. I mean, to have interrupting Bill when Bill was on. Oh my God. This is brilliant. That was funny. I don't know how we ever return from guests like these. Like we got to have some insane story.

The guests have to all have some insane story. Now it's just got to be more and more crazy. This is awesome. Okay. We invite you to send us your insane story. Yes. If you have an insane story that can compete with these two, we really want to hear it.

All right. Thank you everybody. Please check out solos. Unlike my three best friends on here. All you got to watch is the Anne Hathaway episode. It's 30 minutes long. I directed it. And check out the Anne Hathaway thing of solos and John Donald,

because I'm going to watch, is it called Wave or The Wave? You and Justin are all. The Wave. The Wave. The Wave. Which is a feature film with our friend Donald Faison in it that my friend just watched and said it was great. All right.

And here is Josh Radin with Don't Look Away. My eyes reflection Windows perfection My eyes reflection, a window's perfection. No one knows the truth, not even you You let your mind show Hate that I know Why I've been laughing for Don't look away anymore Your stare is like a spot on the sun

I'm blind, not the only one Who knows what to say to you I'll say it today to you Your stare is like a wave Break away From my life in the sand My simple plan What I want today

Don't look away, you do the nothing No one knows the truth, not even you You let your mind show, you that you're not sure Ain't that no whole life been left for? Don't look away anymore You can see me now All those games you play I can't know you now I need one more day

Cause I wanna tell you Don't look away, if you do then I may No one knows truth, not even you You let your mind show, hate that I've known I've been there before, don't look away Don't look away, if you do then I may No one knows the truth, not even you You let your mind show

Hate that I'm the only one that never fall Don't look away, no Don't look away If you do, then I may No one knows the truth, not even you Not even you Not even you Not even you. Not even you. Not even you.

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