Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - A Conversation with Seaspiracy Director Ali Tabriz

Episode Date: May 18, 2021

On this week's episode, Zach and Donald discuss the documentary Seaspiracy with the director Ali Tabriz. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's so aggressive at practice and stuff like that. But then when he's playing these games, he's so nice to these other kids. And that was a conversation that Rocco and I had in the car on the way home when, you know, it was like, dude, you can be aggressive on the field. I get it that you're trying to, you know, not hurt anybody's feelings. But these kids are running all over you guys because you kids are being so nice and everything, trying not to bump anybody or whatever it is. And so the coach asked us to talk to Rocco about his leadership skills, which is crazy because he's only seven years old. So wait, the problem, the coach is basically saying he's like rough and tumble at practice, but when he's playing another team, he's too nice. Yeah. Like they get kind of, the kids get kind of soft and afraid.

But granted, this is their first season ever. This is Rocco's first year. He's only been playing soccer for six months. You know what I mean? And he's been getting by on his athleticism. And now his athleticism, you know, isn't enough. He needs to be aggressive. Is he good?

He's all right. You know, he's, you know. What's his best sport? He's all right. You know, he's, you know, what's his best sport? He'd say it's, he'd say it's basketball, but you know, I'll destroy him. You're such the father, athletic father. You're, you're actually like Turk when he, when he, when he does the fake arm wrestle with, with Carla. I's no way I can let this kid beat me until he can actually beat me. That's just going to happen. Is that for,

for parents that are into sports? Is that a technique? Like don't let them win. Yeah, because they think they're good. They're good. And they think they're too good. If you let them beat you,

you know what I mean? Like, so I let Rocco beat me a couple of times in basketball he started walking around the house like i'm the best basketball telling people i'm the best basketball player in this house and i was like wait hold on one second kid you really believe that he's like yeah i'm better than you and i was like all right let's go outside and let me show you how it really is so you to correct him. I took him outside and didn't let him score one basket, right? And this has continued for the last about two weeks.

And yesterday, we're outside and we're playing basketball. And this little fucker pump fakes and then goes under and scores a basket on me. I was so like part of me. I'm proud. I'm like, okay, now he's starting to understand what's going on. But the other part was like this little motherfucker scored on me. You know what I mean? Weren't you like mostly proud though?

Like, holy shit, he's getting good. No, fuck that, man. He can't be, he can't. Listen, the truth of the matter is until he can beat me, he cannot beat me. You know what I'm saying? It reminds me of my dog trainer who said, don't ever let the dog win in the tug of war with the toy. Why would the trainer say that to you, do you think? You don't want the dog to think they have more power than you.

Like you're the leader of the pack and you're the strongest, you know, in the dog's mind. I'm assuming that's the psychology behind it. Right. And they might get too aggressive if they think they can win if they try hard. You know, I don't know. But I just remember the trainer saying, play tug of war all you want, but they can never win. Reminds me of that. Same thing here.

He can get as—the only way he's going to get better is if he has to compete against me and that's what the coach was saying like he's these guys got way wasted by these kids and in the beginning Rocco's like we're about to beat these guys and it was like and and once the game started they were pushing them around and you know tripping them and this is soccer and all of these getting upset with it where the kids, was Rocco upset when they lost? No, he was just taking it like it was a game. The coach at the end of the game had to tell, we're paying a lot of money.

It's club soccer. We're paying a lot of money for this. You know what I mean? If the kids aren't going to get better, then we got to take them out of soccer. That's just how it is. Get better or we need that money. That's real talk.

That's how it is, man. I hear you. It's a lot of pressure, though. You guys lost three games in a row. We're going to fucking take that money and go to Hawaii. It's better well spent in Hawaii than it is freaking watching my kid get his ass kicked over and over again. It's a lot of pressure, though. Well, you know.

Daddy wants a new animation table. Yeah. He wanted to play soccer. That's how it goes. But speaking of travel and all of that stuff, freaking we are loving this Tucson. Holy cow. Tell me. So you got a Hyundai Tucson from the good people at Hyundai.

How's it going? They hooked it up. Okay. So first of all, they've tricked it out. So it's like to the max. I know. Hyundai used to be thought of as not a luxury brand, but you rolled up in that car.

It's pretty sick. Dude, let me tell you something right now, which is the features. First of all, I turn on the car, and it hums. My wife was like, I could hear you coming up the block. The car is humming. And it's not, it's a hum like a right so it's kind of quiet but for some reason my wife could hear it and it's a hybrid right like because i know you were you

were interested in getting off of of full gas cars absolutely it's a hybrid you know what i really want though you know uh and i'm sure they make it also as an electric Tucson as well. You know what I mean? Like hybrid is great, but I'm trying to get on that solar electric. Solar? I don't know if it's solar. It's not solar, but you know. That's common, but not yet.

I'm trying to be as clean on energy as I am with my food nowadays. Well, good. And I do think it's pretty cool that Hyundai's sort of relaunch is all about safety and going green. Anyway, I turn on the car, and immediately the good people at Hyundai have put on the Sirius satellite station that is orchestra music. Yeah. the serious satellite station that is orchestra music. And so the car's like... So the car's already on an elite level, right? Yeah, that was a classy move.

Classy move to deliver it with classical playing. Right, right. I thought you were going to say hip-hop. Like, they knew me, and when I turned on the car, it was Jay-Z. No, no, no, no, no. Right? And so the kids get in, and they're like, holy cow, this is nice. The car is blue on the outside, but on the inside, it's got like a creamy interior.

So right then and there, fire. It's leather. It's got a huge screen, a huge screen to, you know. Like an iPad size? Close to an iPad size. I'd say like an ipad mini but a little bit bigger than that like but the whole mini right and it displays you know if you have a car play it displays everything that a car play does but then you drive the thing and when i signal immediately instead of having to look out of my mirror, the camera on the side view mirror shows up in my dashboard. So now I can see whatever's on the side of me when I do, you know what I mean?

Like, look, here's a crazy thing. I don't know why more cars don't do that. That's really clever because I've been driving a loaner car because my friend fucked up my car. That's a long, boring story. But driving on the LA freeways is so crazy because I've been driving to Chatsworth to do Cheaper by the Dozen lately. And the people are just insane on the freeways. And now the thing I have, the car, the loaner car I have has a little light that lights up on the rear view mirror on the side mirrors when someone's uh in your blind spot but you just said that makes so much more sense with the technology that's going on today why not bring up a camera on the screen in front

of you that's so much smarter it's crazy when i reverse it into parking and everything there's an overview shot of my car and it shows me the front and the back and how close I am. I have no idea. I'm guessing satellite. It shows me how close I am to the front, the car in front of me and the car behind me. Here's the other thing. That's crazy.

Let's say you get distracted. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Let's say you get distracted while you're at the light, the red light, the car lets you know if there's another car get distracted while you're at the light, the red light. The car lets you know. If there's another car in front of you, it lets you know that the lead car has pulled off by beeping. Ding, ding, ding.

And you look up and it says the lead car has pulled off. And you're like, oh, I should go now. This thing is fire. That's cool. But that's also telling you, hey, fucker, pay attention. What are you doing? No doubt. But it's easy to get distracted when you're at a light. You look to the right. You look to the left. That's cool but that's also telling you hey fucker pay attention what are you doing no doubt but it's easy to get distracted when you're out of light you look to the right you

look to the left that's cool if you're kind of known hyundai um it seems to me is is sort of as they reintroduce themselves as trying to make a play for being like a super safe car with all these features right yeah absolutely they're they're definitely stepping it up a notch. Here's the honest-to-goodness truth to the good people at Hyundai. I'm not giving it back. By the way, we're going to do a full episode. So we came up with this idea. Obviously, Hyundai is one of our sponsors

and they've been super cool to us. And they said to us, what's an episode you guys would do that we could be a part of that you wouldn't normally do? And so Donald and I came up with this idea, like, what if we drive around LA and Joelle and Dan will be in the back seat and we'll like go and visit all of the places, whether it's the old location of the Scrubs Hospital, which is now apartment buildings, or different places in our own lives, like our first houses in LA, and just sort of tell anecdotes and

stories of our own life, both related to scrubs and not by driving around LA. And we're going to do that relatively soon. Right, Joelle? I think in June. It's a June episode. June 12th. Yep. All right, good.

I'll be wrapped and we can do it. But that's going to be cool. Now, will I be able to drive or will you be the only driver? Because I would like to take a turn. My name is the only one on the lease, but you know what I'm saying? No, I had Joelle. I think I had Joelle put me on driver's license, right, Joelle? Yes, yes.

You are now approved to drive the car. Because, Donald, no offense to you, I do think I'm a slightly better driver than you. Dude, I took stunt driving when I first started doing this thing. I'm a way better driver than you are. Really? So maybe we could get another Hyundai and have a drive competition, Joelle. so you want to race is what you're saying you're saying you want to race i'm just saying i'm just saying are you saying you want to race you want a fast and furious this thing yes i would like to go to a track they have there are tracks in la where you can bring your

own car i don't know if hyundai is gonna be down with this idea, but we'll wear helmets. We'll wear helmets. Everything's fine if you wear a helmet. We will race. There it is. Can we hit each other? No, I don't think Hyundai's going to want us fucking up their cars. Where they bang each other on speeder bikes?

None of that. Okay, cool. There it is. No, I'm stoked. I think that's going to be fun, and I'm glad you're liking your car. I love it, man. Do the kids like it? The kids are so excited about it. You know what I mean? Like, usually you get in the car with your kids, and within five minutes, they have messed up the car.

But this thing is so nice that they're trying their best not to spill their food on the inside. Also, you got a white inside. What is it, white or cream? It's creamy. Oh, they're going to fuck that up. Well, eventually, I'm sure. Make them no food. Make them wear gloves.

Right. You know those gloves that people wear when they handle art? Yeah. Kids need to put those on. No, I don't think that'll ever happen. But it's just so nice. And it's got great sensors on the side to stop you from, you know, if you're above the speed limit, it warns you that you're above the speed limit. It's all about safety.

It really is all about safety. It's such a nice car. By the way, did I tell you what Wilder said to me when she was at my house? What'd she say? Did Casey tell you? No. I gave Wilder, because my goddaughter i gave her a nice necklace for her birthday and she comes up to me she goes thank you for my necklace i go oh

you're so welcome sweetie she goes how many dollars did it take can you tell her can you tell that casey's her mama dude it was just funny the wording wording of it. By the way, how many dollars did it take? And then Casey was so embarrassed. Casey was like, time to go. Right. Well, sorry. Sorry about that. No, are you kidding me? It was adorable.

I was laughing with her, but I didn't tell her how many dollars it took. All right, well, let's get off of this for now because we are going to- Let's get on to another- Let's get into a C-spiracy. Let's get on to it. Well, listen, get off of this for now because we are going to- Let's get on to another, let's get into a seaspiracy. Let's get into it. Well, listen, I want to tell the audience what's going on. We normally, as you know, almost always have people on related to Scrubs. We're going to take a little bit of a different turn this week because Donald and I were both blown away by the documentary Seaspiracy. And because we are so fancy, we're such a fancy podcast that's all across the world now.

The co-directors or the director and producer, I forgot exactly what their titles are of the documentary, have agreed to come on and talk to us about this amazing documentary that was number one

in many, many countries on Netflix. So that's how fancy we are, Donald. We're pretty fancy. Yeah, I'm feeling us right now. Hair done, nails done, everything did. Alright, are you ready to take a break or are we going right into it? Maybe 5, 6, 7, 8! Okay, so check this out.

Joelle and I, with the black side of things, to all of you fans out there of like The Mandalorian or Star Wars, I worked with a young lady who does hair for The Mandalorian. And she's agreed to come on both Fake Doctors and And on to. The black side podcast. And so. I feel like this is a big pull. One because she's said to me. I'll give you as much scoop as I can give you. Without getting fired. So that means we're going to get some good things.

We're going to get some good things. We're going to get some good things. And she says. And she said. That you know. She talks to Dave quite a bit. And she has, you know, I'm not going to say she has spoilers. What you trying to get into? Sorry. Sorry, I hit that by accident. It was a well-timed accident, though.

Sorry. My phone hit the button. You know what, man? That's not cool. Okay. He says he can join now. There he is. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Ali.

How's it going, everyone? Hi, how you doing, bro? How you doing, man? I am so you doing bro? How you doing man? I am so sorry that I'm so late. This is crazy. I was literally just watching Garden State. No joke. You're late because you're watching Garden State?

That's the best reason a guest has ever been late. Can I just say this is like the coolest thing ever. Like speaking to you guys after. And yeah, like I was watching. So Garden State just then. I was watching. I wish I was here like, uh, like last week catching up on scrubs again. It's just been surreal.

So, you know, you saying it's surreal. It's surreal having you on the show. You know, you kind of changed my life. Your, your, your movie changed my life and how I look at food and everything. Uh, and so having And so having you here, what was the pill that Morpheus offered? Was it the red or the blue one? And the rabbit hole gets deeper?

Which one makes the red pill makes the rabbit hole get deeper? I ate the red. Watching your movie was the red pill and it just made it go deeper and deeper and deeper. And now I'm trying to figure out ways to stay plant-based. You'll work it out. It's tough in the beginning.

I'm going to tell you something. Wait, let's go back. Let's go back. We're jumping ahead too far. So Donald and I both, this documentary, this young man, how old are you? I'm 27, started making the film when I was 22. I was 22. This 22-year-old young filmmaker set out to make his first documentary and cut to 2021,

and it is like the number one film on Netflix for a while and certainly the number one documentary all over the world for a long time on Netflix, which is an incredible accomplishment. So first and foremost, congratulations, man. I don't think I've ever had something that's been seen as widely. The cool thing about Netflix is that they have these, they know. I remember Joey King was in The Kissing Booth, which was a teen rom-com,

and they were able to say, like, this is the most watched film on earth right now. And that kind of happened to you, man. Everyone in the world was talking about this film and it had a big impact and definitely changed my entire life to this moment and Donald's as well. And I just wanted you to say, tell us a little bit how it began because a lot of our audience won't have seen it, even though we begged them to watch it so we could have a discussion about it. But some of them won't. They may have heard, oh, I have people in my life

that I'm like, have you seen it? And they go, no, I don't want to see it because I love fish. I don't want to stop eating fish. And I just think that's a funny response because you're like, well, you don't have to give up fish if you don't want to, but you should at least see what the man has to say.

So how did it begin? In terms of the documentary, as I recall, you said, I set out to make a documentary on plastics in the ocean because I thought that was the biggest conundrum. And then one of the things I like in documentaries is when they start out to be about one thing and then the filmmaker takes a right turn because in their research, they learn something they never knew.

And that feels like it happened to you. So just take it from there a little bit. Yes. Well, first of all, yeah. So the film did go crazy and we weren't expecting it. It's a documentary about the oceans and fish and who would have thought. And I did start off to try and, uh, and explore the ocean in a, in a way that continued my naivety of, of what I always believed about the ocean from David Attenborough and other great, you know,

documentaries that really helped me fall in love with the sea where I live in the UK. You the UK, you know, you don't see dolphins like you do in Malibu. You know, you don't see the Great Barrier Reef like you do in northern, northeast in Australia. So for me, my way of exploring the world was vicariously through films. And so I wanted to one day be able to explore the seas just like they did, just like Jack Cousteau and Sylvia Earle and other great legends of marine exploration. And like most people, I always thought that plastics were the main threat and, you know, try to eat dolphins safe when you can. And that's the be all and end all. And that's really all you can do to save the ocean.

And, you know, my view of the seas were that everything was hunky dory. And when I was about 17, this huge whale washed up pretty much on my doorstep here in the southeast of England. And that was my first glimpse, first of all, of seeing a real whale, like right there, outside of places like SeaWorld, which is a completely foreign environment for these animals to be in when I was a baby, when I was a kid, when I saw them. And it kind of sparked my curiosity to see actually something might be wrong with the sea. And the autopsies were showing plastic was being ingested by these animals. And that led me down the route of exploring that until, you know, I ended up in Japan and then Hong Kong. Before you know it, I'm

halfway around the world speaking to Thai slaves and out at sea with the Liberian coast guard looking at illegal fishing. And so the journey just went from there. Yeah. Now, you went really deep. And there's so much the documentary covers. For me, one of the things that you talk about a lot of things, and I want to just talk about the main bullet points. But one of the things I really was troubled by is why aren't these NGOs, the sort of health companies – I don't know what you call them. I guess they're called NGOs, but I don't even know what the fuck that means.

But why do they avoid speaking about not eating fish? Yeah, why do they avoid the subject? It seems in your documentary it's a bit of a conspiracy that they're getting money from fish organizations and from animal agriculture in the case of land animals. But what is that? Because to me, that was the most befuddling thing and one of the most befuddling things in your documentary. Well, in order to answer that, you need to follow the money. And sometimes it can be impossible to get a solid answer. But a lot of the time, the marine conservation the marine sciences the fishery

scientists tend to be paid for by the fishing industry and so there's a little bit of a revolving door sometimes between those ocean ngos and and those sort of fishing industry um you know regulating bodies or whatever it may be that are in charge of like managing fish populations and so their paychecks you know might not be coming from the fishing industry right now but their next job will and they've got relationships that they've built and sometimes you know if you're speaking out about the leading threat of the oceans you want to try and avoid the big one which is the fishing industry which is paying us all that money if you're working there. And so we'd rather talk about plastic straws, you know, or, or carry on this myth of sustainable fishing, even though we're

living in a state where the oceans have never been more depleted. And yet when you walk into a supermarket, pretty much anywhere you are in the world, all the fish is saying that it's sustainable. Now, how can those two realities be simultaneously in existence? It's a paradox, right? It doesn't make sense. And it's, you could equate it to the Amazon rainforest. If you said that, hey, 90% of the wildlife in the Amazon rainforest is gone, what should we do? You wouldn't say, let's sustainably kill the last 10%. And yet, that's what we're doing for the oceans. And, and unfortunately there's a lot of internal corruption and, and, and the funding is often coming from the fishing industry to those very organizations that they're in charge of stewarding the ocean and taking care of the ocean. It says, yeah, for me, it's unacceptable. And it felt like a betrayal when I found that out. You caught a lot of people with their jaw dropped. I thought like a lot of, you found yourself in a lot of awkward interviews, which are great. If you like

documentaries, I love a good, solid, awkward, cr cringy document a cringy interview but you found yourself in a lot of places with people that seemed to to not know you were going there with your questions did you find that to be the case yeah and i think because of the way we did the film you know it was just so lucy um it was just lucy and i that were doing the filming and we were the ones that were, you know, traveling around the world as well. But we have these small, tiny cameras, you know, we're shooting on tiny little handy, you know, sort of DSLR type cameras. And I don't think the people that were interviewing took us very seriously. And I think that let their guard down in a big way and actually helped to open up the interviews. the interviews. So whether that be speaking to some of the people in these ocean organizations or to the European Commissioner of Fisheries and the Environment for Europe in the European Union

government, somehow we snuck in and asked those honestly very straightforward questions. We weren't trying to do a gotcha thing. We weren't trying to be confrontational or aggressive. Very, very simple questions. And it was amazing to see the lengths that some of them would go to to um you know avoid you know kind of like speaking to politicians you know there's always a way to weave around it and so you know yes we persisted a little bit and just kept on bringing it back and that's that's when it really came across that they they didn't want to talk about something or they really didn't know what they were talking about. And that's what sort of led to it. Let's take a break. We'll be right back after these fine words. When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, it's powerful. That's where

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People quit. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts did you ever feel like your life was in danger yeah this is a quite this this question comes up a lot and i think i was thinking by the way before you answer it i just want to say donald i i had that exact thought when i was thinking today knowing we were going to see you i was thinking like what do i want to ask him obviously i want to try and ask him some questions that he hasn't been asked because i know you've been doing you've had a ton of interviews in press after this but that kept coming up in my mind too because not only do you seem like you could be in

danger a few times in documentary but this had such a big impact and these are such big players i sort of made a sort of offhand joke to you when we were, when we were texting each other, like, are you, are you safe? So yeah, I agree with Donald's question. Do you ever feel at the time when you're making it and now that you're, that you're in any danger? Well, hindsight is 2020. And I think a lot of the time it wasn't until we'd left a scenario or a country

that we we looked back and looked to our footage and kind of wondered whether what we were doing was actually quite safe and and and that's when we realized the danger of it so sometimes when you're in the moment um I guess you guys you know when you're when you're on the set you're filming you're just worried you're just concerned about telling the story exploring the subject and and getting the footage and it's only when you think back you realize the danger you put yourself in to get those shots i know but we're not we're not um pissing off billion dollar industries uh that uh that would that would love that would love you to quote go away yeah true true yeah so there's there's some countries

i've been told i probably shouldn't be going back to. You know, we were dealing with some pretty serious issues from a very, very large global industry with a lot of connections to government and lobbying power. When we were in Thailand, for example, we were trying to uncover the human rights violations that are happening there, the slavery, the forced labor. And, you know, for us, when we were going there, it kind of sounds self-aggrandizing to think that, hey, we were the ones that were in danger when really, like, we were trying to tell the stories of people whose lives were actually in danger for decades or years at sea, not being able to return home, being thrown with boiling water, pouring all over them, threatened with iron bars, guns, thrown overboard. We were making sure it was trying to be about them. But simultaneously, when you're in that scenario, our translator was basically saying in the car when we're trying to film him,

hey, don't film my face because I could be hunted down for helping you. And that's when it suddenly became real for us. And that was on the way to do those interviews. And it kind of, we went there with the intention, I think, to have like a two or three week trip to try and capture everything. And it ended up being like just a couple of days because we had to just call everything off and just come back home because of the risks. So-

What about post your success? Because, you know, I feel like also this blew up so big that, you know, everyone in the world weighed in on your documentary. And we can talk about some of the criticism of it because anytime anything gets huge, people have a lot to say. But that's just in a normal documentary or film. some of the criticism of it. Because anytime anything gets huge, people have a lot to say.

But that's just in a normal documentary or film. You're making a big proclamation about a very, very wealthy industry. And I just wondered if, again, you felt since the success that you've been in danger. Yeah, I do feel like both myself and Lucy are in danger yeah i do feel like both my myself and lucy are in danger perhaps in the near future when we go out and start filming again in some of these locations because now we're well known um you got to do like bull rat and put on a disguise right they got your pic i'm sure they got both of yours pic just up like did you ever see romance in the stone when danny devito's in the at the precinct in like columbia and his picture's up on the wall and he's trying

you need to you need you need to hire a fucking borat's makeup guy bro and just go i know maybe i should go my dad looks a bit like borat he's iranian i should probably like just start dressing up like him i definitely wouldn't go looking like you do because everybody knows your face now. Yeah. So, so yeah, that's a good,

good idea. Maybe, maybe my next film will be inspired by Sacha Baron Cohen. Listen, one of the biggest things for me, I saw a black fish and I, I loved when I was a kid going to SeaWorld was so exciting. I loved SeaWorld.

We had a scrubs episode with SeaWorld in it. You know, we, we didn't know. I, I was in some place in Mexico where you can swim with dolphins. I love dolphins. I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I just didn't know.

And then I saw blackfish and it was 180 degrees epiphany for me. Like I had no idea. Fuck SeaWorld. Fuck keeping these giant creatures in a, in, in, in basically a performance, in forced performance mode in tiny tanks.

I felt like this, and I think Donald did too, that this was that way about eating fish. And I had already given up eating animals, land animals for the most part because I was like, oh, you know what? I don't want to be a part of this anymore for all the obvious reasons. And at least I'll have fish. I like fish. And then I watched your documentary and I'm like, this mofo, now I can't want to be a part of this anymore for all the obvious reasons. And at least I'll have fish. I like fish. And then I watched your documentary.

And I'm like, this mofo, now I can't eat fish. And really, one of the things that really got me was this whole thing of bycatch. Because I didn't realize, I had no idea. Like the blackfish story, I had no idea they were keeping orcas in a minuscule tank and that they were depressed and they were pulling their babies away from them. And now you say, I'm just reading here, over 300,000 whales and dolphins are killed every year, correct, as a result of bycatch. That is to say these giant fishing trawlers are pulling enormous, the biggest nets you can imagine. enormous the biggest nets you can imagine and in doing so whilst getting the fish that they want to sell they're taking up approximately 300 000 whales and dolphins additionally a thousand sea turtles are caused by plastic sorry so so what yeah i can go into the numbers and then and then

and this was a real big thing for me because i just assumed naively like everyone does something says dolphin safe and you're like like, oh, okay, cool. I can eat that. Yeah. So one of the best estimates that has been around for a while is that 300,000 dolphins, whales, and porpoises are killed in fishing gear every year. Now, I spoke to another person from the UK who believes that just in Europe, it could be in the region of a million common dolphins are killed in fishing.

Yeah, we just don't know. It could be, I mean, we could come out with another documentary in another few years and it could be like, you know, 3 million a year. The point is we just don't know because it's so far out at sea. There's no interest. There's no incentive for a fisherman to report the dolphins that he's killed. He's only going to get punished for it. And so it continues to happen. And in fact, many of the dolphins and whales that wash up on our coasts are actually the dead dolphins that died in those nets that have been discarded. And for every one that washes up, there's about another 10 that sink at sea. And so we never get a true picture of what actually happens.

When it comes to turtles, a global study estimated a conservative number, but about a thousand turtles die from plastic consumption. Now, when you compare that to the impact of fishing by catch, in the film, we mentioned a fact that's 250,000 sea turtles die every year in just US fisheries. Now, since the film's come out, the group behind that number actually said, hey, we

made a mistake. It wasn't US numbers. It was global. We did a little bit more digging and found a more recent number and found that it's actually more in the region of 500,000 sea turtles every year killed in fishing gear. So this is by far the biggest threat. It's not sea, you know, that video that went viral years ago, that plastic straw up the nose of a turtle.

Now look, plastic, consumer plastic is important that we tackle. I'm not trying to shit on it or anything, but we need to start addressing the big picture. It's like if we had a ship that was sinking and we've got a massive hole at the bottom called the fishing industry and bycatch, we should be clogging that one up before we use teaspoons to to flick water out the other side of the boat and that's what really like plastic straws is to me so so yes it's a huge impact um on wildlife that's that's the reason why they're going becoming threatened

in our seas well at the end of the at the end of the documentary, you were saying like, if we just gave the ocean 10 years, it would regenerate itself and stuff like that. Is there such thing? And also there were the people that were in these boats that were in pretty much canoes, kayaks in the middle of the ocean, in the middle of the ocean fishing near these uh near these other giant boats because they were hungry fishermen trying to feed well because those crews have come in and taken all the fish and those those those guys who were who need fish to live were like can we have some of your fish please how do we get back to that though like it says 10 years uh how do is there a way to stop commercial fishing to where there's not hundreds and hundreds and

hundreds and thousands of boats out there just raking the sea and killing it? How do we get back to that? Because the solution can't be just stop eating fish, because not everybody's going to do that. Well, not only everyone can. I mean, Ali, one of the criticisms you got was like, hey, this is not a luxury some people can try to do giving up fish this is their only source of food in some parts of the world right isn't that correct that you got that critique yeah so so there's a few questions there so sorry we're sorry we're so we're so excited to have you we have or like just like firing questions at you but we are very interested i love it no absolutely it's my passion i I'm happy to.

So, so when it comes to what we can like do ocean ecosystems bounce back, they absolutely do. You just got to give them time. You just got to leave them alone. Essentially the best thing we can do is really just leave the oceans alone. And when it comes to the 10 year mark, we've got a petition that says that we want to try and put it, protect 30% of our oceans from industrial fishing by the year 2030. And that's going to create a huge buffer for marine life to come back. And so when it comes

to those people around the world who are dependent on fish, who truly do rely on fish for sustenance, the biggest threat to those communities, whether they be in Africa or in Southeast Asia or wherever they are, usually the biggest threat to them actually putting food on their on their dinner tables is the industrial fishing fleets they're usually coming from europe or asia and basically stealing all the fish now taken to an it's extreme that that's what happened in somalia which led to the somalia piracy issue now there were other political issues that the issues that were happening at the same time but the the illegal fishing was really sort of like the catalyst which brought about the Somali piracy. They were all fishermen before they resorted to commandeering boats with old AK-47s.

And one fact that often gets misquoted as a way to critique the film is a number that came out, I think it might have been the FAOo that said three billion people worldwide rely on fish to as their for nutrition now that's not what the actual quote said it said that three billion people get uh a portion of their animal protein from fish um i think it's usually around the 20% mark. Now that's your animal protein, not your overall protein. Now, for example, in India, where the animal protein consumption is low, let's say it's some dairy or some fish, you could say that fish comprises maybe 80% of their animal protein. Now that's misleading. It makes you think that they entirely rely on it to feed themselves. It's a little bit more complicated than that. Now, but people do rely on it.

But for the vast majority of people, you're going to be fine if you don't eat fish and shifting to plant-based options are often cheaper, especially in Europe. I mean, fish is pretty much a luxury, creating like a salmon or lots of different species of fish. They tend to be a luxury item. It's not something that you're actually depending on. And how do we stop these hundreds of thousands or millions of fishing vessels at sea? In 1986 or 7, there was a global moratorium on industrial whaling. What happened was in the years leading up to it, it was like the birth of the environmental movement. People were going out to sea with cameras and documenting the industrial whaling and how bad it was. That put pressure on governments to change from people rising up and saying,

we recognize whaling has played an important part in our culture and in an economy for hundreds of years, but now it's time it comes to an end. We've wrecked these populations so much. We can do an international moratorium on industrial fishing or heavy gear fishing technology. We could do that in the next few years. If this film continues to rise up that pressure,

there's no difference really. I mean, sure, the fishing industry is huge today, but the whaling industry used to be huge. It was one of the first international trades was the whaling industry. It was what lit our homes with whale oil and stuff like that. So we need government pressure as well

as like grassroots up and personal action. Yeah, do you think that, I mean, that would be the greatest outcome that could come out of the difference that you've made is, you know, it's one thing that I'm sure Donald and I are not the only ones who made such an impact on it goes without saying, cause it's become such a huge success. What do people let you fire it up? Like me, what can we do? I mean, obviously we can sign your petition. So one of them you're right is, is the petition, do? I mean, obviously we can sign your petition. So one of them, you're right, is the petition,

you know, like, and so far we've had 650,000 signatures on our petition in the last like month or two, which is huge. And we're going to be taking those signatures to the G7 summit next month. I think Joe Biden's coming down as well as other leaders from around the world. We're going to present them to those leaders to show that people are desperate to be heard on this issue. We want protection of our seas. And Joe Biden came out and said that he's going to try and he's pledging to conserve 30% of the US land and seas by the year 2030, which sounds great. However, when you look into the fine print of the pledge, you realize that actually 26% of the US waters are already part of a marine protected zone. So this would only mean a 4% increase over the next 10 years. And the problem with marine protected zones. So this would only mean a 4% increase over the next 10 years. And the problem with marine protected zones

is they don't actually mean anything. Unless you have a no-take zone, it doesn't mean anything. It's like turning the Amazon rainforest into a protected area, but still allowing logging and forest fires. It's literally like that. So we need to put pressure on governments

to create no-take zones. It's the only thing that matters when it comes to protecting the sea. And when it comes to the support we've had from Asia, I'm getting messages every day from people who grew up in fishing villages in rural Japan, how eating fish was just part of their upbringing. They ate it every day and now they're not. And now they're actually, they never realized the impact fishing was having on the oceans. And the support from Asia has been huge. It's been incredible to hear those stories. Because that one town with the whale massacres,

that was also featured in The Cove, that documentary, The Cove, which is another documentary. If you're as interested in this as Donald and I are, I recommend watching The Cove. But, like, gosh, that's one of the places where I really thought you were going to get killed when you were filming those guys. And I wonder, like again i'm sorry for being so naive on this but surely there's japanese people that must be so livid about this too right

i mean we don't have any power over japan but the japanese people and do how is this still so popular there this this brutal wailing that goes on well actually a lot of people in japan just don't know it happens it's as simple as that the the government don't publicize it and and the thing is that there's a lot of there's cultural differences and there's political pressure there's a lot of nationalists in in that region of taiji and they get very defensive when a lot of foreign activists like we would i mean if american if american soil had like all these japanese activists saying you couldn't do something you know you'd have nationalists come up and try to fight them off. And, but yeah, unfortunately that has distracted from it.

But people just often, I mean, just like this film has shown, like people just weren't aware of the problem, even within Japan, that dolphins and whales being killed in the same way that people in France have not been aware that in just a small town in the West, on the Western South coast of France, 10,000 dolphins are being killed in just a small town in the West on the Western South coast of France, 10,000 dolphins are being killed in just a season of sea bass fishing, right? So just people are just unaware of this, no matter where you are, whether you're in from the United States, France, Japan, it's all the same. Like, I feel like if people were just to, even if you don't give a crap about fish, let's say you don't give two shits about fish, whatever. If they could just

understand that if the ocean dies, we all die, all of us die, then maybe, you know, I just don't understand. There's so many warning signs and so many things that are there that, you know, that we should be listening to, and we're not. And I don't understand how companies could be like, my money is my money. I'm going to grow all of this money I possibly can. And once everybody dies, I'm going to die with my money. It's like, I'm going to die with my money. You can't take that shit with you.

You can't take it with you. Write that down. Hey, the Egyptians, think about it. The Egyptians tried to take it with them. And what did they do? They got robbed. We don't know. That's what happened.

They might be in heaven with their robbed. We don't know. That's what happened. They might be in heaven with their goats. We don't know. I'm telling you right now. Tutankhamen, all of these tombs. Why did you make a face, Daniel? What's wrong? They were buried with their animals, weren't they? Were they with their goats?

I thought they were buried with gold and their favorite animals. Am I wrong? Okay. Fact check. How about this? How about this? Guess what's not in their tombs. What?

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one of the things i thought was interesting when you got critique because you said the oceans will be empty by 2048 there was a big pushback but it seemed to me the tenor of the pushback was like no they won't it'll be 2070. there was a lot of like that's you're being crazy 2048 and then was like no no it'll be it'll be 2100 or whatever but it'll still like but everyone agrees that we're on a trajectory to emptying the ocean right yeah it's it's it's i mean it's kind of pathetic it's like it's like arguing about like who's going to jump off a cliff first. It just doesn't matter. Point is, our oceans are emptying.

And yeah, you're right. It's like the study that we were citing in the film, and we were careful to make sure we cited it well, was that according to this study, if fishing trends continue the way they have been by the year 2048, the oceans will be virtually empty of fish. Now, that doesn't mean there's not going to be a single fish left it just means they're going to get to the point where they're so collapsed that it's just not there's just not feasible anymore to be catching fish and um that study was from 2006 and people have said that the the paper was retracted it never was it's been cited like 3 300 times or something ridiculous and um the original author i think more recently looked back at the fish populations and found that many of the species were actually in a worse state than they than they were when he did the original paper and the united nations put out a report just like last year and said that yeah i mean if if basically by 2050 most typical

fish stocks will be completely collapsed so So it's crazy. I mean, and the main point is who cares whether it's 2048, 2058, 2068, 2078, it doesn't matter. We're all, it's going in the wrong direction. And one of the main critics of that paper and of us has been a guy called, uh, Ray Hilborn. And, um, according to a Greenpeace article, I can't, I don't know this for sure, but according to a Greenpeace article, he was paid something like $3.5 million from the fishing industry, uh, to do his, his fishing studies and never disclosed it for years until more recently. And, and basically another, another example of a fishery scientist getting paid by the industry itself to defend it and be an overfishing denier.

Well, yeah, I mean that, that thing, that's crazy to me. That's, that's the craziest thing ever. Like we know global warming is happening. We, I mean, I should say climate change is happening. We know this is happening and we know that we are part of the reason why this is happening, a big part of it. And yet still we're like, I'm still going to burn coal. I'm still going to burn gas.

I'm still going to overfish the sea. still going to burn gas. I'm still going to overfish the sea. You know what I mean? And it's like, because I'm trying to get mines. And I feel like that's what, you know, America's great for one of those, for that reason alone. You have the freedom to go out and make it happen for yourself. But at some point, we got to look at what we're doing to each other. And we're not looking at mean we are but we like i don't give a shit it's fucking hilarious to me and it's scary also it's like what my kids are gonna have to go through when they're my age if they're by 20 we said 20 40 20 25 20 48 they'll be like 35 36 years old by that time, dude. Yeah.

Well, holy shit. Um, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Like I've got a, I've not sent him. I've got a one-year-old baby. Uh, he was born during the pandemic and it was like post-production. It was kind of a crazy, but I worked out that. So I'm 27 now.

I realized that he will be 27, exactly 2048. So it's kind of brought it home for me as well like and often there's something called this the the economics of extinction and there's there's actually a benefit for those involved in fishing for species to become more and more scarce because it drives up profit in the same way that uh things anything that's scarce becomes profitable that's why bluefin tuna is getting up to like three million dollars for a fish in Japan. It's because they're so rare I want to talk about well, we won't keep you too much longer I want to have about a few things in the supermarket that really landed with me

By the way, Joelle has just chimed in that yes The they were buried with their animals including lions cats and dogs doesn't mention our lion aren't lions cats No, yes, but I also think it's funnier to say goats. So I said goats. I pictured a goat with like a golden collar. Well, they left the goats carcass. They just took the golden collar. I don't think anyone who robbed the Germans took the goat bones.

Maybe you should make a documentary about this, Ollie. Now, Ollie, a few things that stood out to me in the supermarket that i didn't know all right first of all salmon is no longer pink that's all dye pretty much yeah farm salmon gets given farm so specifically farm salmon doesn't turn that color and you showed in the documentary a color wheel like you'd see for paint chips in your house and the and the particular distributor gets to choose how pink they want their fish to look yeah i mean if you if you go to whole foods right now or tomorrow or whatever like you'll see on the back of uh farmed salmon and even other

things i think like shrimp as well they feed them a dye in it they usually have to label what they do and and most yeah farmed salmon would probably be gray because they're swimming in. These are fish that are built to like swim up waterfalls 40 miles a day. And they're just swimming in circles in their own filth and their flesh just literally turns gray. So they have to dye the salmon, it's color, it's pinkish orange color in order for it to be palatable and for them to do their marketing adverts for. So, yeah. You know what made me right then and there, that was the point where I was like, oh, I'm not eating any fish anymore. When he was like, they're swimming around and these things got chlamydia, the fish got – I was like, well, you know what?

Yep. Listen, one thing I don't want is chlamydia on my fish. Now, another thing – I don't want chlamydia on anything, but especially my fish. Another thing, I think it was your doc, but I've watched watched like so many you sent me down a wormhole of these docs i've watched like 900 of them but i forgot some of the things i forgot if it's you or somebody else but that the fish we're seeing in the tent in the in the on the ice in the supermarket is at least a week old i mean at least a week old i mean when you're when you're talking about the i mean think

about a boat that's like a thousand miles at sea and you really think it's going to get to you in a day. In my mind, up to 40 fucking six years old, I did. I honestly thought- That shit is fresh. Look how fresh it is. I especially thought if I'm going to a high-end market, like Whole Foods, like,

look how fresh that is. And then you said that, I was like, oh, it's a week old. That's not what I pictured. I mean, hey, Zach, that's optimistic. I mean, there's bluefin tuna that's about 20 years old in a freezer somewhere right now. Like it's literally, you're talking about really old fish that died decades ago. It's being served up.

But yeah, weeks, months. Yeah, man. Okay. Now my last question, and it's probably one of the biggest ones in the documentary. And we can finish on this because I'm sure you have better things to do, like go back to watching Garden State. But the thing that sort of fooled us all was this idea of something being dolphin safe. It's the documentary, if you haven't seen it, shows that that's not true. There's no way, there's no possible way to police these uh these boats uh we don't there's

no not nearly enough manpower it all happens a zillion miles from shore um zach they try they try it's just that some of these people are easily bought or quickly killed so just just touch on that uh real quickly ollie because i there's plenty of people who are listening to this going guys great that's cool he sounds cool i'm not going to stop eating fish i eat dolphin safe everything well at least know that that's bullshit which ollie will now tell you why yeah i mean dolphin safe tuna is for me in my my opinion is complete bullshit i basically they can't guarantee that dolphin safe tuna is in fact dolphin safe and i heard it from the horse's mouth. I mean, I spoke to the guy who basically runs the group and he said, yeah, you can't guarantee it.

Who knows what happens when these ships are out at sea? You could send observers to be on board and make sure they're doing everything right, but then they could be bribed. So yeah, the label doesn't guarantee anything. And yet we wouldn't stand for this when it came to anything else. Yeah, the label doesn't guarantee anything. And yet we wouldn't stand for this when it came to anything else. If it was like, hey, your produce, hey, guess what?

It's maybe organic or maybe not GMO. You know, you want 100% guarantee. And yet with Dolphin Safe Tuna, there's no guarantee for it. And I believe it's fraud. And I don't think it's going to be, you know, staying on supermarket shelves much longer. I think the time for it to change is the added thing was that this label became a thing that the companies would license they so it's a bit of a scam right they're paying they're paying for something that can't be regulated well when it comes to the msc label which is like the gold standard uh sustainable certifier of the world's

fisheries yeah they get something like 80 percent or more of their income from licensing their logo on seafood products so there's a conflict of interest there and there are so many instances of fisheries that they're labeling as sustainable as you know one of the best practices in the world and you look into it and actually they're still wiping out sharks and turtles and any other you know know, swordfish, other kinds of species that are threatened in our seas. And so as we explore in the film, there's like these, these,

these labels basically have become this huge marketing phrase and don't really have any meaning, meaning of it at all. And it's made us all really gullible. Like the word sustainable is something that's made us all extremely gullible. Whenever we see in the supermarket, we feel good about it. We feel guilt free and we've, we've bought into it. We feel guilt-free and we've bought into it.

But no, this doesn't have any meaning. It's a similar thing. Again, is this your doc or not? Forgive me because I've literally watched like 10 more. You inspired me to go down the rabbit hole. But the thing about the recycling icon with the number in the middle? No, I didn't tell you that, but that's a whole, I know a little bit. So it reminds me a little bit.

So the recycling arrow thing icon that we see on all plastics, right? So the plastics industry campaigned to have that be on every piece of plastic, which leads the average person, myself, to think, oh, all of this is recyclable. That's bullshit. Look inside the numbers. Only numbers one, two, and I think five are actually truly recyclable the industry successfully lobbied to have that that sort of arrow icon on all plastics leading people like me to think that everything i was putting in the recycle bin is recycling well next time you're putting something recycling look at the number if it's not one two or five

it's not even recyclable and here's another thing about that no and this is kind of outside of my expertise but basically everything is recyclable it's just that there's a cost to recycling it and so recycling um warehouses or whatever you'd call it um are only gonna first of all they have to sort through it they have to count all those numbers and and what happened i heard a guy in hong kong who's involved in this plastic issue. He says, there's been all these new plastic straws come out that have been made out of like cornstarch, right? They're apparently like degradable or compostable. He says, but the thing is when you put that in a, in a regular bin, it's not going to compost. And what happens is if, if the guy at the recycling plant who looks at plastic all day,

he can tell you what's, what's compostable and what's just regular plastic. If he sees some compostable ones in the other plastic, he'll just throw the whole bag to landfill. So it's like the whole plastic trash thing is a whole other sort of kettle of fish, excuse the pun, but it needs its own researching as well. And that's the thing. We've all been duped by labels everywhere. Yeah. all being duped by labels everywhere. Yeah.

I find that I got so mad when I watched your documentary feeling like on so many things, but really feeling like we've been duped. We've been duped by being told something's dolphin safe. We've been duped by saying, oh, this is recyclable. And it all comes from giant entities with zillions of dollars getting their way. Pretty much. Yeah. And honestly, I think that's why we've seen such levels of environmental decline, despite the overwhelming rise in awareness of these things. We're living in a time where

most people have never cared more about the environment because we all have our basic, well, not we all have, but a lot of us have our basic needs met. So now we can start thinking beyond that. And yet we're being constantly duped and our concern is being redirected back into those industries that are actually the destroyers of those things that we care about and um that's why i say you know since since like the last 30 years or or more we've we've we've never seen more emphasis on sustainable fishering and eco-conscious, eco-labels and sustainability and all those things. And yet in the last 30, 40 years,

we've seen the most levels of decline. And I believe part of the reason for that is that we're all being duped by these genius marketing agencies behind these companies. Well, I think you're really making a difference. You and other documentarians are making a difference. You certainly made a giant. And I just think you're an inspiration, man. You were 22 when you started this and you're 27 now. other documentary documentarians are making a difference you certainly made a giant and i just

think you're an inspiration man you're you were 22 when you started this and you're 27 now i mean listen if you're listening to this look how what a difference you can make if you put your mind to something i mean i just think you're there's so many people want to make a difference in the world and you really are doing that and that's one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you it's just the fact that you didn't fact that you took a camera, a small little camera, you and your wife. She's your wife, right?

Yeah, so we started off just as friends and by the end of it, I proposed and we got married and now we have a kid. It's also a love story. I'm telling you right now, a gun in your face will do that shit. A gun in your face will do that shit. Out of nowhere.

Baby, you know what? I was together you and me have gone through some stuff I can't imagine being with anyone else let's make a baby exactly she's in the other room right now I mean I don't know

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brand new to this topic don't think i'm i'm on high and mighty telling you to stop eating fish but i do think you should watch this documentary at the very least because you know there will be i guarantee you there will be things in this documentary that you didn't know that open your eyes to what you're putting in your in you and your family's uh stomachs right donald for sure on your yeah i i i agree listen i we know that we can't convince people to do something that they don't want to do but at least go out and get some information before you say, before you say that's not for me or that's for me. Don't,

don't take our dicks. Right. You know, that too. And I agree. I agree. Absolutely. Because that's,

that's the whole place that I came from when making this film is a place of curiosity and just love for the ocean. And any move that people can do in their daily lives in that direction of moving towards that plant-based diet and avoiding the consumption of marine life, that wildlife that's in the ocean, that's going to be a great thing. So yeah, keeping that in mind is where I came from. And if you're like me and you are fascinated by this and want to go down the wormhole, some others I liked were Game Changers,

What the Health, Cowspiracy. By the way, one of the biggest questions, I buried the lead. One of the biggest questions I get is how could he not have spelt it conspiracy, S-E-A? Yeah. I'm so glad you got, because I was like,

I was like, I was like, everyone was like, there was something like on, on, on, you know, you became so popular.

There was like this meme that was like 50% of people that watched the movie go, I'm never eating fish again. 50% of people going, how could he not have called it conspiracy? I know. I know. It was like,

it went so viral, that meme. It was so viral that we were so happy about it because it gave comedians the opportunity to talk about the film to millions of followers. And it just, honestly, it was an accidental marketing PR genius thing that happened and we're so glad about it. Basically, the conspiracy thing,

so C-spiracy kind of follows on with from from cowspiracy the executive producer is kip anderson who produced uh cowspiracy with keegan coon and so this is kind of like following that vein of film um and the reason why not conspiracy we'd be forever trying to spell conspiracy imagine word of mouth hey have you seen conspiracy conspiracy no conspiracy sea oh why didn't they just call it c-spice i can't tell you because i promoted you so much because i'm like your publicist how many people were like it was right there how how did he miss it people are like disappointed like he's such a talented filmmaker how could he have missed it it was right there no yeah i know i know i hate

to say but like we genuinely did we thought about the title years ago and we just loved that c-spirits his own thing and yeah and um well you're a very good you're a very gifted filmmaker and i hope that we get to watch many of your films i'm sure um you're gonna i do i think you said in our in our chat that you're gonna also make narrative films as well as documentaries donald and i are both available for hire um if you need that i'm a decent actor he's a very good actor if you need he can do drama well guys let's let's let's talk then uh i it'd be it'd be great i think we'll be coming out to the states uh hopefully this year um as soon as you know covid permitting and everything it'd be great to meet up um but yeah i'd like to explore narrative films. I've got some other documentaries up my sleeve,

which are equally explosive and revealing stories. Just be careful. Anything on aliens? Anything on aliens? What about Area 51? Can you do that now? I mean, I can try if pretty please, and maybe I'll do it now. You're so good at exposing people.

We want to know about Area 51 and aliens. You know what's so funny? Not just Area 51. They're everywhere right now. I know, dude. You know what's so funny? Not just Area 51. They're everywhere right now. I know, dude. You know what's crazy? Aliens came out as like a total real thing during COVID, and everyone was so busy.

They were like, not now, aliens. And no one's talking about it. Did you see the fucking video of the fighter pilot seeing that space cruiser or whatever it was? And he was like, holy shit, look at him go. There's like a genius level badass fighter jet pilot with this UFO sighting, and no one's even talking about it because everyone's too busy. holy shit look at him go look there's like a genius like level badass fighter jet pilot with this ufo sighting and no one's even talking about it because everyone's too busy what about the ones

on the what about the guys that were on the battleship and the things hovering over the thing and then dips back into the water and stuff like the government came out and said yeah yeah yeah there's ufos and everyone was like not now ufos we're busy i can't believe it i know humanity's been waiting like what like thousands of years for this moment for like the guns yeah man dude that's why we need you drop whatever you're doing

we need you to make a UFO doc we need to do a UFO doc together I'll do it with you I can picture Ali sitting down with like an alien being like listen

this is an uncomfortable cringy interview like but why are you here yeah but why are you here yeah they're like to get your fish to get what's left of your fish

oh my god okay it's happening alien spiracy oh my god alien spiracy there it is listen no one is making this documentary it's been proven that there's ufos and we need you to do a sit down with the aliens because watch the fuck out all fuck out of that. All right. We'll let you go. Thank you so much. Dude, you're so awesome. Thank you for being on Fake Doctors Real Friends. This is incredible. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. You're amazing. And we'll be back next time with, don't worry, those of

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