Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - Hyundai Around LA

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

The gang takes Donald's Hyundai Tuscon out for a drive around Los Angeles. Along the way, they visit the space and places that sculpted Zach and Donald's journey to fame. Stops include Donald's first Hollywood apartment, the studio where the guys first met, and the restaurant Zach worked at when he wrote Garden State. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I will probably touch you a couple times throughout the ride. It's distracting when I drive. You know how when people get dressed in the morning, they say like, oh, I'm going to put on a nice outfit for my guy or my girl. Or, oh, I want to put on a cute outfit for that cute person at work. Absolutely. You know? Well, this morning, I put on my Grogu socks for you.

Yes! I couldn't tell what the lime green was. I was like, is he wearing ankle weights? What's happening? I put on my Grogu socks for Donald. So handsome. I love him. And look how unhappy he is.

You're not happy with it? You know why I'm not happy with it. You want them? I'll give them to you right after I wear them today. Thank you. You already funked them up, man. You already funked them up. I like how close you guys are that you can share socks.

All right, it's happening. Dude, we slept in the bed in our underwear, just our underwear, back to back, baby. That's how close we are. Yeah, we've spooned. No, I don't feel like we've spooned. Well, we haven't spoon-spooned. Like, there was no, like, there was no, like, my groin didn't spoon spooned. Like there was no like, there was no like, my groin didn't touch your booty.

All right, so. Pull it, whoa. Pull it into the harbor. All right, so road trip, road trip, road trip. Are we rolling, Daniel? We are rolling, rolling. Welcome to the first ever road trip edition of the podcast. Faith, doctors, real friends.

We are in Tucson. We are in Hyundai, Tucson. Thank you to Hyundai for sponsoring this episode of our show. And we came up with this really cool idea to do an episode where we drive around Hollywood and talk about some places that really influenced me and Donald's lives while in Hollywood. Yes. And we're starting in the valley where Donald lives now. Well, we're not going to say the street that I'm on, so if you...

I didn't say the street. You just said the valley. It's pretty. Oh, that's gorgeous. It'd be pretty hard to find you in the valley, but Donald lives, or may not live, in the valley. Thank you. Thank you.

And so what year, let's start at the very beginning. I don't know what year it was that I moved out here. I'm going to be honest with you. Because you were too high? Why? No, I just know that I was like in my 20s. Like I was 21, 22, 23. I know it's right. It's just been so long. Like I've lived here longer than I lived in New York.

I grew up in New York, born and raised in New York. And so when I moved out here, I was like, I don't know. I won't say I was high, but I was very young, and I've been here longer than I lived in New York for. And so I couldn't tell you the exact year. Like, if you ask me what year Rocco was born, I just learned that it was 2013 He's the one that teaches me that shit, that's the crazy feel that you've smoked away that part of your memory yeah, okay

I smoked away a lot of shit, dude. We gotta do some memory exercises, though. Yeah, exactly. You gotta build your memory palace. Today, I couldn't remember short ribs for some reason. Like, that's the dumbest thing. Do you remember short ribs? I was like, what kind of ribs are those? They're beef, but they're, like, they're not beef ribs, but they're not, and I was like, flank ribs? No. Oh, wait, that's so cool

when that comes up like that. I tried to tell y'all, when you signal in your dashboard, the camera on the side shows you what's on your side. You want to take a picture of that? All right, next time you signal, I'm going to get a picture of that. Because I've never seen that before. That's really, that is honestly very cool.

That's very cool, because I'm always worried about my blind spot. You know what I'm saying? You worry about your blind spot. Hey, baby, when I'm with you, I never worry about my blind spot. When I'm with you in Mm. I never worry about your blind spot. Hey, baby, when I'm with you, I never worry about my blind spot. When I'm with you in Tucson, I never worry about my blind spot. Ay-yo-yo-yo-yo-yo. It's gonna be a good day.

No trip. You know what this reminds me of? In Swingers, when they're like, Vegas, Vegas, Vegas. And then the hard cuts, and they're asleep with more. But then right before they get to Vegas, Vegas, Vegas. And that's not Vegas either. What, where they shot it? No, where they, the first lights that you see when you're going towards Vegas isn't Vegas, it's Barstow, isn't it?

Oh yeah, it's Barstow. Well, that's pretty cool. I like that. This is pretty, I mean, if this is meant to be like a family car, it's pretty it's pretty sexy You look pretty you look pretty hot driving it. I'm not gonna lie. You look good. Thank you very much guys Because I realize it's like, you know, you can have a it's a family car, but it's made for sexy dads like you So do you even look at your mirror? Absolutely. You always look at your marriage I was thinking like, you know, But you know what you had me thinking? I was thinking, like, you know, because, you know, you're not, like, the greatest driver in the world.

And I was thinking about how happy I was that the Tucson has all these safety features. Excuse me? Where did you get that I'm not the greatest driver? I think you're a good driver, but you're not necessarily, like, the greatest. I disagree with you. So I'm just happy that the Tucson has all these safety features. You think you're the greatest driver? I am. I am the greatest driver.

We need to take this Tucson on the track and see. Oh, no. You know what it is? I feel like I'm Peter Quill, and you're Rocket Raccoon. Do you know who they are? I don't know what that means. It sounds like you're speaking in a different language. It's like he's the captain, but you think you're the captain.

And then you guys fight over who's ship this really is. Oh, like Chewie and Han. No, Chewie knows. But Chewie complains a lot, like, You're wrong! You're not John Lennon! Let me drive! Oh, God. I feel like... Isn't that what he's saying in Chewy language?

Probably, probably. But you never hear Han say anything like, you know, well, shut up. If you think you can do so much better, then do it. You never hear Han say that. So I don't know if Chewy complains about driving. I think Chewy... do you think Chewie likes working for Han? Yeah.

Yeah, they're best friends. Now, does Han pay Chewie? No, they make equal money. So whenever they do an assignment, they split it? I mean, let's think about it. Chewie don't need clothes, so he doesn't have to pay for that. Does Chewie poo? Yes. Most certainly.

You never see Chewie poo. You never see anybody poo in Star Wars. But Chewie's never like, I got to go to the woods. I think the Mandalorian's the first time we ever saw a toilet in Star Wars. Star Wars trivia from Donald. Star Wars trivia from Donald. You guys can put this on your other podcast. Perfect, perfect. All right, so Donald, tell us a little more about your, you don't remember the year.

You came out, how long until you got a part? I came out with a part. What happened? Tell us about your arrival in Hollywood. I went to California so much earlier than I moved, right? Right. And my mom was like, my mom kept telling me, that's a mistake. All you're going to do is get there, and you're not going to have any money money and you'll be back because of that. Thanks a lot for the confidence, mom. She was like, when you go to

California, you should go because a job brings you there. And I was like, okay, fine. So the goal was how can I get a job that shoots in LA? And so when Clueless happened and they were talking about making the television show, I remember thinking, this is my way out. This is my way out. Wait, slow down. The Clueless movie, you were still living in New York. Yes. And where did you shoot the Clueless movie? In Los Angeles. Okay, so you came out to shoot that, but then moved back to New York.

Right, and at that point, I had made friends with Seth Green and Breckin Meyer. Where did you live while you were making the Clueless movie? At the... Smoked it away? No, I didn't smoke it away. A tent? I just don't know the name of it, but it's right off of La Cienega. Okay.

So an apartment kind of thing or something? Yeah, it was like an apartment slash hotel. Okay. But I had made friends with Brecken and Seth already, and so I was like, you know... I was telling the audience that Donald was merging onto the 101, one of the most dangerous highways in the world. You getting on the freeway? Is that so? Oh, can we reenact the Clueless scene?

Yeah, reenact the Clueless scene. No, but I'm not Stacey Dash. But can you turn around into your scream face? No. Do it to the camera. The most famous car scream ever. Where'd you shoot that, on the 101? No, that was shot, you know, there's this,

you know where the Aquarium of the Pacific is? No. There's a little private freeway over there, and we shot it on that. Oh, they let you shut it down? That makes sense. Yeah, well, there's never any cars on it, really. A little trivia for you.

I did a pilot that didn't come out, but the 710 freeway, which is a big freeway they were building, stopped for political reasons and all sorts of mishegas. They weren't able to finish it. So for like a mile, it just goes and then dead ends.

And they rent it to film productions to use because it's a mile of freeway that's a dead end. I think that's where we shot this. And that's where a lot of... I think it's like the aquarium of the Pacific. Okay, maybe it's the same thing.. And that's where a lot of, like... I think it's, like, the Aquarium of the Pacific. Okay. Maybe it's the same thing. But I just know that a lot of people, um, have shot there before because it's this kind of... Because of whatever politics happened,

they just, the dead end, they couldn't keep building it. And so it's, like, a mile of freeway you can use for shoots. Is that where they shot the opening scene of La La Land? No, that was an actual freeway. Oh, no. Which is wild to me. Yeah, they actually shut down a freeway to shoot the opening scene. Wow. Land? No, that was an actual freeway. Oh, no. Which is wild to me. Yeah, they actually shut down a freeway to shoot the opening scene. Wow.

They did that. Don't get Donald's heart on La La Land. We could turn this into a podcast that also visits La La Land locations. Love it. We're going to Griffith Observatory and dance. All right, so, okay, Clueless TV show. So that looked like it was going to happen. And when it did, they gave me $5,000 to move to Los Angeles.

And with that $5,000, I got the apartment that we're... Wow. It's funny that I got the exact same amount of money from my parents to come out here. Really? It's funny. We both started with five grand and nothing else. Nothing else.

That was it, five grand. And it wasn't like I had the comfort of being like, I can always ask my parents, because, like, no, they just gave me five grand. That was my only source of being able to hit up anybody for extra money was my parents. And they had said, here's five grand. And I put it all into getting a car.

I had to get a used car. Yeah, I rented cars when I first got out here because I thought that would be cheaper. And then it wasn't cheaper anymore because some lady on the street that we're about to go to had a heart attack while driving and my car was parked out in front. I'll never forget this. I had just come back from playing paintball with my buddy, Meech. And I was showering and Meech was playing. This was back when Nintendo, the Cube, was out, right? GameCube, hell yeah. Yeah, so he's playing fucking Bond on that shit, practicing Bond, right? Yeah, cool. And he knocks on the fucking door,

and I'm like, dude, what the heck? I'm in the shower. And he goes, yo, I think somebody just hit your car. And I was like, what? And so I go out, and there's this old white lady. You want to go here or Hollywood? Well, I think this might be quicker than that. Because then we've got to get off on Highland.

Good. You've got to go on Highland, yeah. It's Sunday. And she's, like, in the street, like, oh, and the cops are there. She's like, oh, God. And it's so long ago. I was so new to Los Angeles that I still had my license. What's that beeping telling you?

Somebody's coming up on the... But that's interesting. That's good stuff. Wow. I hate assholes like that, that speed up when you're freaking trying to turn. I know. That's one.

Let's talk about the Tucson just gave you a warning. That guy was over there. Thank you, Tucson. Thank you, Tucson. Give it a pet. Anyway. Give it a pet. Calm down, dude.

And so. All right, go on. And so I walk outside and she's, you know, faint. She's like, oh, God, I'm so, my heart. Jesus. And it was so long ago. Did you call an ambulance? No, the cops were already there. I'm so into Los Angeles that I still have my Springfield, where I got my license in Springfield, Massachusetts, because I kept failing in New York.

So I was like, let me go to Springfield. Whoa, whoa, slow down, slow down. There's too much data coming in. You couldn't get your license in New York, so you went to Massachusetts? No, that's wrong. I take that back. I've never heard of anyone leaving the state to get it in an easier place. I got it in, I got my license in New York,

but I don't know how this worked out. I stayed with my grandfather for like a summer just hanging out with him in Springfield. And while I was in Springfield, instead of getting

a New York license, I got a Springfield license because I just used his address. Like I had already passed the test and all I needed to show was Proof that I did that and then if I'm correct, but I had a Springfield license, right? And I bought my car in Springfield also

So I'm so new to California that I still have that license and there was this one cop I don't know her name, but she would she was notorious for telling people come on now. You've lived out here long enough It's time for you to get your license. Like, she did the beat in Hollywood. Really? And pulled over everybody. Because that's all actors from all over the country who never updated their license.

Right, and she's like, you've lived here long enough, Donald. It's time to get your new license. But, like, she was notorious in Hollywood. So when I handed her my license, I was like, here we go. Here we go. And she said it, and I was like... Anyway. When I handed her my license, I was like, here we go. Here we go. And she said it, and I was like. Anyway, I had to pay for the car that this lady hit. What?

Because for some reason, I thought I don't need to get insurance on it. Because that was like an extra however amount a month. Yeah. No, yeah. How much did it cost? It was something like, it was a Volvo, too. too. So something like 25 grand or some shit like that. Wait $25,000 Yeah, something like that and I had to pay for it I think we bought it down. We got it down to 14 grand Oh, and I remember I was doing the television show at the time and it was the whole check like literally the whole check

No, it was like, you know cuz first of all, a lot of people don't know this, but when you start a television show and you don't really have that many credits, they don't pay you that much money. And they didn't pay me that much for Clueless for the whole run. And I remember thinking, damn, the whole check. And I only get 22 of these a freaking season, you know, and I paid for the car. Wow, that's a big hit. No pun intended.

No pun intended. No pun intended indeed. Oh, look at the cute farmer's market. Oh, people. I was at a farmer's market earlier this morning. I remember opening the trunk because that was the only thing, like the trunk was so broken that all you had to do was just lift it up. Oh, man.

And all my paintball, like, I had own paintball guns and everything. Oh, that was one of your phases. And everything was intact still. And I was like, oh, my God. I remember you went through a mega paintball phase. Yeah, I've gone through several paintball phases where it was like what I'd. We should do a fake doctor's real friends paintball. Oh, my gosh

you are talking my language you know when people go to a ski lounge and they just get the coffee that would be you yeah

I'm gonna get my sparkling water and hit an observation deck and watch the guys fight it out something tells me you got the eye though something tells me

you're gonna be like popping people I'm a really good shot if we go to a shooting range I shoot an actual gun that's fine I don't need welts from being platter-witted.

But, Joelle, you could post up on a lookout tower and just pick people off. Okay, you know what? If I could be a sniper in a paintball game, then yes. That's very easy to do. That's how I play Call of Duty. Oh, yes. Find the highest ground and shoot from there. Shoot from afar.

Yo, my paintball phase was so big that at one point, me and my boy, Dion Richmond, Bud from the Cosby Show, were invited to join a team. No way. Yeah. That's awesome. And it got, when we realized we weren't going to do it, when they were like, so we have practice. And we were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We can't do that. We can't do that.

There's such a thing as paintball practice. Oh, you're talking about practice? Oh, absolutely. You're talking about practice? But it wasn't just us. Like,'t just us like be real from cypress hill him and him and him and him and the whole gang they i think they were like the soul assassins or something like that and they were and they were freaking pain that was their paintball team that's i played paintball with will smith because of it like yeah dude oh god look. Oh, God. Look, here's the crazy shit. Why did you only play with famous black people? Well, sounds like the best way to do that.

I mean, it's just that when you start playing paintball, you start getting invited. People hear about this and start inviting you out. There you go. So Will Smith plays paintball. And we were like, I remember all of us were like, yeah, we going to play with Will. Oh, shit. We gonna fuck Will up. We gonna fuck him up. Like singing songs about how we were gonna destroy Will Smith. Yeah, right. Right?

He's like, this is bad. He's just like the characters in the movie. I think he's probably super competitive. He's jumping over barrels and shit, doing rolls and stuff, bussing shots. Like, it literally looked like it was the movie. My experience with paintball is like, if you go there and rent one of their guns

You're done That's right because the people who you're playing with like Donald. They're all kitted out with the latest stuff And I was just getting destroyed because people were so into it I was playing with people like you're saying Will Smith and you apparently do I remember seeing that I remember seeing that and being like Holy cow, this dude is just like he is in the movies. Yeah, that's amazing. I really want to, that would be a fun thing to do together. You can post up.

It's just really hot right now. Yeah. That's the only thing. It's very hot. And you've got to put on all the clothing to make sure you're not getting welts all over your body. So you don't get welts all over your body. Does it really hurt that bad? Fuck yeah. It hurts.

Have you ever been hit with like an air gun or anything? I have scars on my body. I just got bit by a Rottweiler. I know pain. Okay, okay, okay. It can't hurt worse than that. I have scars on my body from paintball got bit by a Rottweiler. I know pain, yeah, fair play. It can't hurt worse than that. I have scars on my body from paintball shots 20 years ago, let's put it that way.

Damn, really? Were people using frozen paintballs or some shit? No, just some of it was close range, a lot of, you know what I mean? Frozen, what's that? That's a very illegal thing that people do, which is really dangerous, is they'll freeze their paintballs

because they hurt a lot more, but they also travel a lot better and they don't clog your gun. That's so messed up. It's so fucked up. It's very messed up. I thought it was harder for it to travel because the paint's frozen on one side

and then the other side isn't. Oh, interesting. Maybe it's just for preservation purposes. Have you seen this new water gun thing that has little water pellets? No. What? There's some hybrid water gun thing

that's like the new craze. I don't even think they're available because they're sold out, but it's like paintballs, but they're little and they're filled with water okay and so you can like blast your friends I don't think they I don't think they they don't hurt for kids so I don't think they hurt okay like like a like a paintball right paintballs fun though I love that my mom would not when my prime paintball phase my mom was like you're not getting a paintball's fun though I love that my mom would not when my prime paintball phase my mom was like you're not getting a paintball gun

she's like when you're 18 then you can buy your own paintball gun and of course at that point I was in college and had no money and was like well I can't spend

fucking $500 on a paintball gun $500? yeah for a good one I mean if you want to get gas you want to get the hopper all the things you need yeah the CO2 to make it actually

they see the CO2 now can you have an automatic one? it was like whatever you used to yeah oh hell no and you're allowed to play with people that can you have an automatic it was like whatever yeah yeah oh hell no and you're allowed to play with people that don't have that it's messed up you originally weren't and then all of a sudden people's hands got so much faster than automatic what they made is they made this this special two finger triggers that has what's called ramping on it and if it

just senses that you're starting to pull the trigger really fast, it just changes to automatic. It's crazy. Yeah, exactly. And your hopper fits something like 60, or you could get the kind that fits like 200. Yeah, exactly. The 200 hoppers. Those are the real ones. Those are the bad ones. We're driving through Laurel Canyon Boulevard, which is one of the most beautiful parts of

LA, I think. And Donald, you used to live around the corner from here. I did, and I sold that house. And this is where we used to come over and play poker at your house. This is where we used to do that. And Donald was a bachelor, and he had the most baller house. He had an arcade. He had a theater.

Wow. He had, in the living room, there was just a poker table with arcade games. Oh, my God. That's awesome. And Casey, and he had all his Star Wars animation stuff set up in the dining room, right, Tom? And Casey moved in, and she's like, okay. This is gonna get taken down.

We need to talk. And we're taking this down. It was the ultimate bachelor pad. The whole house was a man cave. That sounds awesome. That's magical. Yep. I remember, I still love the canyon, man.

If Casey were to say, let's move back, it would be the happiest day of my life. It's a special place, special place in my heart, and one of our favorite restaurants. We're going to be passing soon. Pace. It's the only restaurant in Laurel Canyon. And you'd think, what are the odds that it was a really good restaurant? But it's this very rustic Italian restaurant that has really good food. You guys have never been there?

I drive past it all the time. I'll point it out to you. It's amazing. You know, on a serious note, I've been reading, just started Amanda Klutz's book. Amanda Klutz has a book coming out. She wrote about her story, about the insanity of what happened in Nick. It's called Live Your Life. For you listeners, if you want to get it, it's on pre-order now. And I got to say, I was prepared to read the book and just, I was not expecting anything.

But Amanda's a really good writer. That's awesome. And she kept such, she and her sister kept such journals. And, of course, all of her communication with all her friends and family and it had me like crying yesterday it's so beautifully told and so emotional and it's just so insane when you think when you look back at the story you know it's it's it's you just kind of get used to it life goes on but in her retelling of the story, it's just so powerful and it all takes place here in the Royal Canyon. So this is the Canyon store right here.

Oh wow. Yeah. And I guess they're doing a raffle? No, there's a thing like a, there's a bake off or something. Okay. Is this where Pacha is? Yeah, this is the Canyon store and then underneath right there is Pacha. Oh!

And it's really, really amazing. I always pass the cafe, but I did not know there was a restaurant underneath it. Yeah, I've seen that a bunch of times. Never been. It's really beautiful food. Delicious food. That used to be the go-to pizza. You wouldn't order from any of the other pizza restaurants.

You'd order from there. And when I moved out of the canyon and had to get pizza from other pizza restaurants, nothing compares. There was something that was just so good. The crust was just right on point. I think it's the best pizza in LA. Really? Yeah.

I mean, it's not like New York Street pizza or Domino's. It's like if you like that rustic. It's like a wood-fired pizza? Yes. Okay, cool. Great. I've been trying a lot more wood- wood fire pizzas, so I'm very interested. You should definitely take your gal there on a date.

It's so romantic. Brother, I will. That's a plan. Not only that, they have a special pizza. First of all, the whole menu is just ridiculously healthy. We're like doing an ad for Pancit here, so that's fine. They deserve it. First of all, the menu is all healthy.

There's mostly healthy foods on there. But then every month, they have a specialty pizza. And I remember one month it was truffles. And that pizza cost like $100. You bought a $100 pizza? It was delicious. I love truffles. It was delicious. You know what my restaurateur friend told me about truffles?

He said that people pay all this money for the truffles, but that's not really what they want. What they want is the truffle oil. Truffle oil costs nothing. That's what it was. No, but bro, if you're paying a hundred bucks If you pay a hundred bucks, they're slicing the truffle. And he says it's the biggest scam in the world because people go, ooh, we're gonna spoil ourselves to get the truffle. Because that's not

even the taste that you like. The taste you like is the oil which costs nothing. Yes, sir. There you go. I've given you all a hot tip. Buy more truffles. I got another hot tip for the fans. Let's hear it.

Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Shadow Hollywood. All right, listen, y'all. This has nothing to do with driving around L.A. in a car, but I got another tip for you. I'm excited. Let's hear it.

Okay. If you have a house, and there's birds shitting all over your deck or your porch or your yard, and you're so frustrated that it's covered with bird poop? I got you. Oh. All right.

Do you want to come clean at home? No. I will come. Email Joelle your address. Oh, God. And I will come with a power washer. No. You go on the interwebs, and you buy a yellow-tailed

hawk decoy. Do not get the owl that you sometimes see because birds know that owls are nocturnal and they don't give a crap. No pun intended. Wow. You get a yellow-tailed hawk decoy. Wow.

And you put it out there. You gotta put little weights in it because otherwise the wind blows it over. I've done the testing for you. Okay, fill it up with some old coins. There you go. Fill it up with some old coins. The bird poop stops. That's very expensive.

You can put pennies, okay? This hawk probably costs 15 bucks on Amazon. You're going to fill it with some pennies. Bam. Birds are like, F that. I'm not going near. There's a frigging hawk there. You think I'm gonna sit there and poop? Wow.

Solves it like that. Wow. Okay. That is your pro tip from Zach Rapabob. The more you know. I can't believe it works. Yeah, Dan will put in a little dun dun dun dun. Yeah, I got you. We can't afford that.

We can use dun dun dun dun. We can use dun dun dun dun? Yeah, dun dun dun dun. We've done it a bunch of times already. If we can't, then we're going to get in trouble. The OVC has not called us yet. Nope, we're good. I wish we could put on some music in the Tucson, but we can't.

We don't have rights to it. So maybe we should just like... Oh, man. Oh, my God. We could maybe play one of our approved songs. Why can't you get in on that? I could get on that. What if we played...

Did you learn the melody from the song I wrote for you for Casey's entrance music? No. Jerk. Sorry. You gotta put that down, though. I need you to put it down. If you don't put it down, I'm gonna put it down. Why don't you call up... Why don't you call up... Charlie Puth?

No. Okay. No. I think we probably used our one favor with Charlie Puth. Charlie's like, y'all motherfuckers got the hottest freaking podcast opening song in the history of podcast opening songs. You want what from me? You want what now? Charlie's got another song on the radio I heard that was really good.

It's Charlie Puth's. Huge. Yeah, but he had a new single I was bopping to. Sometimes I put on just like hits one on Sirius. OK. And you get all that Olivia Rodrigo. Yeah. She's all over the place.

Dua Lipa. She's all over the place too. You know, I'm tasting my nut. DaBaby saved her. I'm sorry. What are you talking about? She didn't mean any saving. Dude, her music was straight Euro club scene type stuff.

Dua Lipa with the baby. And then baby gets on it, and now all of a sudden she got urban hits. In my opinion, Daniel, I know you like that shit, but that shit was straight up freaking Marshmello DJ in that shit. Yeah, I mean, Daniel, I know you like that shit, Marshmello DJ. All right, so we're pulling into the Hollywood area now. Temple Israel, here we are. Is this the school Temple Israel?

This is Temple Israel Hollywood right here. Temple Israel Hollywood. My sister went there. Synagogue. Okay, so Donald, tell us about your, we're kind of. So when I first moved to Los Angeles, people asked me, where do you want to live? And I said, I want to live in Hollywood. Because I thought Hollywood was where all the stars lived.

I learned really quick. They don't. Nobody. They do not live here. If you're a star, you can afford to not live in Hollywood. Live in Hollywood. Look at the billboard for the show I've been telling you all to watch, Bo Burnham's Inside.

Oh, Inside, yeah. Nice. I sent you that video. Did you watch it? I did not. Oh my god, you're the worst friend I have. I'm not the worst friend you have. What kind of friend are you if I send you that video. Did you watch it? I did not. Oh my God, you're the worst friend I have. I'm not the worst friend you have. What kind of friend are you if I send you a YouTube link and you don't click the link?

Why are we friends? What was the video? I need new friends, though. I should be purged, please. I have offended my brother, Zachary. I should be purged. Put me in jail. If you're a listener and you are willing to click on links that I send you that are funny,

will you please email Joelle? Because I need new friends. Everybody just flooded Joelle's email. You just flooded her email. There are already many people trying to take you up on that offer. I have people sliding my DMs like, yo, bro, I watched Solos. It was awesome. Can I be your friend?

Oh, boy. Calm down, everybody. Calm down. Okay. Or then I rep friend? Oh, boy. Calm down, everybody. Calm down. Okay. Or then I reposted Josh Radin, because he posted on Instagram, and they're like, at least one of your friends watched it. Damn. I get tagged in a lot of things.

Yeah, you should. I want to put that episode on early, so I can be like, we watched it. Everybody chill. Everyone needs. No, we didn't. You did. Don't you? No, I'm trying to do it.

So one of my first- I once went to that gym one time. Yeah. One time. One time. One time. No, we didn't. You did. So one of my first- I once went to that gym one time. Oh, that's how I went gold gym with you. One time. No, no, that's not- That's not a gold- That's the one on Coanga. Oh, okay.

All right. I don't know. I went there once. So I learned really quickly, very early that, you know, stars don't live here and that this is actually the hood. Well, I don't know if it's the hood. It's just a rougher part of town. My man, there was a, I had, it was me, Tara Reid,

Damon from the Mickey Mouse Club. I mean, this shot of the Los Angeles Public Library isn't very good right now. Yeah. Right. It's not great, but you know. This is exactly where I live. Oh my God, look at this. Oh my God. Yeah.

Anyway, me, Damon, Tara Reid, and a couple other people were in my apartment, which is right here. Let's pull up. Maybe pull in front of this fire. Here it is right here. 1420 North Detroit. Oh, okay. Look at these balconies

though. That one right there with all those flowers, that was my balcony. No way! There's a hot tub right there also. you told us before once in the podcast but you used to have like bashes here right you used to throw a lot of parties so i threw one huge party here and then the land but the landlord but the dude above me i made sure i went around and invited everybody in the building to the party and most of them them came. The landlord came, who lived up there. Like, pretty much everybody came through. The dude that lived above me, I was warned about. They were like, listen, he's kind of a dick.

So, you know, he'll say, yeah, I'm cool with it, and then he'll call the police on you. He's that type of person. Ew. So I made sure to invite him to the party. I was like, why don't you come through? He was like, I'd love to. Thank you.

We throw the party. He comes knocking on the door, and he's like, Donald, it is too loud. I was like, wait a second. I told you. Why don't you come through? You know, I invited you to the thing. Why don't you just come and have fun? And like, there were a lot of people at the party.

Like, I invited everybody from Sabrina the Teenage witch, because we were all on the same lot. They showed up. I invited everybody from Moesha because we were on the same lot. They showed up. A party. Yeah, it was a real it was like one of those things where I was like, yo, dude, I got it is Target rich in Hollywood right now, dude. Like they say the stars don't live here. Well, they up in this right now. live here. Well, they up in this right now. It was on fire, right? And he goes, it's too loud. I want you to shut it down.

You're like, I got Sabrina the Teenager. I'm like, Melissa Joan Hart is sitting right there, dude. Was Brandy in the house? No, Brandy didn't come through, but Lamont Bentley, God rest his soul. One of my dudes, he came through. He always came through. He would come and hang out all the time because we filmed on the Paramount lot.

So a lot of the people that did, you know, if you were extra on the show or, you know, if you were on other shows, you would come through to my house to hang out because I was so close and I was a cool dude, right? And when he kicked, I first tried to do this i was like everybody let's just keep it down oh my god that doesn't work that's funny and that didn't work this is the kind of complex where if they're not down they're gonna be pissed because you're all right on top you're all right on top of each other and so and i remember i and ch Kilmore, the DJ for Incubus, was supposed to DJ. This is before he was a deep like he was a dude. I'm keeping 100, Chris. And you notice I love you.

But when he first started, he was the worst DJ. He couldn't he couldn't find the beat to save his life. And I used to go over to his house and he used to hang out with this girl, Asha, who is an actress also. But, and so we, we, that's who I used to run with. Right.

And I was like, you DJ to party. And he was like, I was like, I don't, I don't got that much money. I could pay you 50 bucks. He shows up after the dude tells me to keep it down.

And it's like, I want you to kick everybody out. He comes in with his big speakers and everything like that. Ready to, like, he's so late. And I'm like, dude, you are like two and a half hours late, Chris. He's like, I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry. And I was like, well, I don't give a fuck.

You might as well just DJ for a little bit. Yeah, go for it. Plus you're probably wasted by that point. You might as well just DJ for a little bit and then I'll take the mail tomorrow. It reminds me of your wedding that we had at my house. I don't know if I told this story or not, but I went around all the close neighbors.

Did I tell you guys the story? I think you did. I gave them gift baskets. Oh, yeah. I wrote very sweet notes, and this lady put it in my mailbox. Staple. On the other side of the sweet note I had written, she flipped it over and had written in block handwriting,

I will be calling the police the second I am disturbed. And then she stapled the local noise ordinance rules to a piece of paper and put it back in my mailbox. What a jerk. I don't understand how you can't suspend your comfortableness for a night. And then, by the way, this woman, they came to set up a tent for Donald's wedding. She called the police on them hitting the fucking stakes into the ground.

For the tent? The police are not your personal security force. Calm down. That's just like a waste of taxpayer dollars. The cops gotta come out to a complaint about hammering a stake in the ground.

I miss this place, man. There was another dude that lived here who worked in that Brothers World War Two movie. I mean, what were the brothers? Oh, yeah. He was on that. That was his. He hadn't done it yet.

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All right, so now we're going to go to my, the first place I stayed when I was in Los Angeles. Now you stayed here. Now, what was your deal? You moved here. I remember you moving here with a girl? Yeah, let me tell you the story. I went to Sundance for the very first time and I fell madly in love with a woman that I met at Sundance. And she was the prettiest woman I'd ever met

at the time and she was just so cool and it was so exciting. What did she do for a living? She worked on the Disney lot for a producer. Oh, okay. And I didn't have a car, I didn't have a dime, so I was in a movie, my first great part, called Getting to Know You, with Michael Weston

and Heather Matarazzo, and we went to Sundance, which was a big deal. And while there, I met this woman, and she was just, I was just like drop-jawed. And we really hit it off, but she was here, and I was in New York, and we were going to try and do the long-distance thing. And so she lived in this house with two other guys. One was an actor, and one eventually became a very successful agent. But they were like you know all roommates in this duplex and um and it was really i i came out here with with no money

it was really stressful because i just didn't i i wanted to i wanted to like impress her and have her stay interested in me but i just had no money i hadn't didn't have a car i didn't have a cell phone this was like right at the beginning of cell phones, and I certainly couldn't afford one. And she was like living in the small back room. Like I think this one day was probably like the maid's quarters back in the day of the house. It was like, I swear to you, it was. She was in Benson's quarters? She was in Benson's quarters.

It was like her bedroom. I'm not exaggerating. Her bedroom was basically the size of a king-sized bed. Oh, no. And she had, like, a double bed in there. Oh, God.

Oh, my God. Okay. And we crammed in there. I had nowhere to put my stuff, so I would, like, and I was so worried that her fellow roommates would be mad

because I was, like, there without paying any rent. Sure. And they certainly were not too into it at all. We've all been there. Understood. I don't know if you ever been in that position,

but, like, I was trying to hide where my clothes were. Mm-hmm. And I remember one of the roommates came in. He was actually paying rent, and he was like, yeah, that spot where you're keeping your clothes. And I was like, yeah. He goes, yeah, my girlfriend's going to need to have that spot for her clothes. Oh, boy.

And I was like, oh, okay. So I pulled all my clothes out of that one little spot, that one little nook I found, and then all of a sudden the next day all her clothes were. She took my nook. Oh, no. She took the nook. Damn, girl, come on.

She took the nook. She took my clothes nook. That dude's kind of a bitch, though, for saying that shit to you. Well, but, I mean, put yourself in his position. He was paying the most rent, I'm sure, because he had the nicest room. And here I am, this guy. I'm using his house. I'm using his kitchen.

I'm in his space, and I'm not paying any rent. Yeah, but neither was his girl. I know, but he probably justified it like, yeah, but I don't care. I'm paying rent. You're not. I don't know. Anyway, he's a nice guy. I'm sure he is a nice guy, but that was a, that was a bitch move. I remember him telling me like one time, this is the kind of guy he was. He is a lovely guy actually, but,

but I think his tensions for having me in the house were growing and he opened the fridge and I was in the kitchen and he goes, who is putting low traffic items in the high traffic spot of the refrigerator. What? And I was like, what? He's like, there is no need for this mayonnaise to be at the forefront in the middle shelf. Sir, that's way excessive. It is not used often. It needs to go in the back like that level.

You said this dude's a lovely man? Absolutely. You said this dude's a lovely man, dude. I would be like, well, you can fix that yourself. Right. I'll have the as a lovely man, dude. Because I would be like, well, you can fix that yourself. Right. I'll have the energy to figure it out. Also, I think a few times,

like, I didn't know where to poop because I didn't want to poop in her bathroom, right? Because... Then you're embarrassed that you stunk it up. Right.

So then I would, when those guys weren't in it, I would go and poop in their bathroom. There you go. There you go. But they, but they didn't have

the toilet brushes. What? And sometimes I'd leave a few streaks. That's such a... And I remember her calling, so my girlfriend calls me. She's like, I didn't have the toilet brushes. What? And sometimes I'd leave a few streaks. Eww! And I remember her calling, so my girlfriend calls me. She's like, hey, we should talk about something.

I'm like, you never want to hear that. She's like, some of the guys are saying that you're streaking up their bowl. Oh, my God. You might as well have just shit in her bathroom. It was so embarrassing. Yeah, buddy. Oh, no. That's funny.. Yeah, buddy. Oh, no. That's funny. Tension, anxiety.

Oh, ever since then, I always make sure that there's a toilet brush ready in case streaks occur. We are about to pass the Minion Knights. That's human. When drunk out of my mind before I got home. Pinks? Oh, my God. Pinks hot dogs. I always wondered who's lining up for Pinks.

Oh, that was me. You've never had a Pinks hot dog, my God. Pinks hot dogs. I always wondered who's lining up for Pinks. Oh, that was me. You've never had a Pinks hot dog before. Delicious. They do a number on your stomach, too. Yeah. I like going to the Golden Apple comic book store. There you go.

Yeah, I used to go there, too. So if you're not from L.A., this is a very popular tourist location, which was closed for COVID, but now it's clearly back open. Oh, yeah. They're open, open. It's Pinks hot dogs. People line up. This line is, yeah, they're open, open. It's Pink's Hot Dogs. People line up. This line is, like, very long. I didn't know the hot dogs were huffy.

So one time, Pink's Hot Dog did a thing on scrubs, and they let me have a bunch of, like, it was something like more than I could possibly use before they would perish. And I remember being like, dude, I got Pink's Hot Dogs for days because I used to love this place. And the people that came to set remembered me. Oh, so check this out.

The lead vehicle is driving away. Oh, wow. It tells you. Oh, my gosh. It lets you know that in case you weren't paying attention. It's like, hey, go, mother. And also, look at that.

It lets you know. It calculates your attention level. What? And it's telling Donald that his attention level is high and it has a little icon of a coffee cup. That's so funny. I wonder what it looks like when you're not paying attention.

I know, what's the drink icon for you're not paying attention? Look away from the road. I have no idea. I have yet to experience that one because I am a very good driver, Zach Braff. I can see that. But this is also cool. The Tucson tells you when your last break from driving was.

That's wild. So Donald, we've stopped outside his apartment, so it says it's been six minutes since his last break. That's wild. That's really, that's, wow. A lot of attention to safety. We like that. Are you going to want to get in the left lane?

Yes. Oh, look at the camera comes up, you guys. Amazing. See, so Donald won't hurt us. I would like it if the Tucson told us it's been six. Your hands are cold. I would like it if the Tucson told us it's been six minutes since you last groped your friend.

Oh no, no. Oh no. It's so cold. And then there's like an icon of like a sad face that comes up. You haven't rubbed your friend. All right. All right.

So I come out here, and she lived, fortunately, next to a Ralph's that we're going to pass. If you're not from L.A., Ralph's is a very popular supermarket. And way before Subway had the $5 footlong, Ralph's sold a giant sub that you could have made and it would cost five bucks. I couldn't believe this. It was too good to be true because I knew for five bucks, I could have lunch and dinner. Yes. God damn. And, um, and that's how I would eat because I just, I didn't have a, I didn't have a job. Just cold cuts all day long. Well, yeah. Cold cuts for lunch, cold cuts for dinner. What would you would you do the breakfast relationship? I just skip breakfast And that is why your poo was streaky buddy

Yeah, you're right, Okay, so what happened? So relationships started to get really stressful because I... Hold on. Yeah, second. I'm going to make a left here on second. Oh, my God. I really... I'm going to get emotional. I have not been back here since like 2000.

Wow. 21 years. Welcome back. And it's in the same city. That's how big LA is, by the way. Yes. Wow. 21 years. Welcome back. And it's in the same city. That's how big LA is, by the way. Yes. You cannot go back. Well, you guys broke up too, though, right?

So, yeah. So, basically, I couldn't operate. You can't operate in LA without a car. This was before Uber. Obviously, now with Uber, you can. But it's very hard to operate. It was very hard to operate. And so, what I would do is I would get up in the morning and I would drive her to work.

She worked on the Disney lot, which we're going to end with because that's where you and I had some of our final auditions for Scrubs. So I would get up, drive her to work, right? And then I'd have the car to go on an audition or to, you know, do a couple things. But with L.A. la traffic i didn't have that much time before i had to pick her up at five yeah yes you know what i mean like i certainly couldn't be late because she would scream at me so i had to i had to calculate the day right because if i was gonna have two auditions and then like shower and like you know do a handful maybe maybe work out i i had to like then head back to the valley to go to the Disney block.

A couple more blocks will be there. I think it's the next block. Also, there's a big Orthodox Jewish community over here because a lot of Orthodox Jews live here because on the Sabbath when they don't drive, they can walk to their synagogues. It's a beautiful neighborhood. This is like almost Hancock Park. It's a big difference between my first experience here and your first experience.

Well, again, yeah. But you sound like you had a smidgen more fun than I did. Yeah, it does sound like it. I was like doing CPR to a relationship. It sounds like you were heartbroken. So anyway, the relationship started getting really stressful because she was never pleased with me. And I didn't have any money. And we would drive by a billboard for something exciting.

And she'd be like, oh, I want to go see that. And I was just thinking, what am I supposed to say here? I can't take you to that. I can't afford. And I started getting really insecure because she was sort of increasing her resentment of me because I couldn't do things. And I said the honest thing. I was like, if you want to do that, you can pay for us to do that. But I can't.

And I'm so sorry I can't do that for you. And she would kind of just roll her eyes. And it was really tricky. And I started, this is when I started, I've never really spoken about this, but I started getting panic attacks. Oh, shit. Have you had a panic attack? They're the worst, is when I started, I've never really spoken about this, but I started getting panic attacks. Oh, shit. Have you ever had a panic attack? They're the worst, man. Joelle, you've had one?

Yeah, like the time we have to be on the floor and just deep breathing. It is the scariest thing ever. It's like you're falling on a roller coaster, right? No, for me, it's, imagine your lungs tighten up and you just can't get air in them. And then, so your human self, your adrenaline spikes because you think you're dying. And then you start this loop in your head like, I had to call an ambulance. I can't breathe. My lungs aren't working.

And then that makes you feel a lot of panic. And then it just circles and circles. And you think you're dying. And especially the first time it happens, if it's never happened to you before, you just can't get air into your lungs. And you think you've got to call an ambulance. You've got to call an ambulance. You're dying.

What's happening? What's happening? It's so frigging scary. And that started happening because of my anxiety of being in this relationship. And I'm not putting it all on the woman. It's not all her responsibility. I was equally. But you were broke in Hollywood, man.

And you came out here because of her, thinking that that would save the relationship. Yeah. And it didn't because when I got out here, the pressures were so strong. And I remember I was really homesick, and I was calling. Did you move back to Jersey after that? No. So I was out here, and I would call on her landline. Again, I didn't have a cell yet.

And she had a cell, I remember. And it was a time when it was kind of fancy to have a cell. And she would give it to me during the day. But I didn't want to use it because it was expensive. But I would call my family and friends on her landline. And I remember she got her landline long-distance bill. And she was like, what is this? And I think it was like $100 or something.

And I was like, oh, I'm a bit homesick just checking with people. She's like, well, that's a lot of money. You should reimburse me for this. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. So I remember I was giving her the money for the landline usage. How were you paying her for that when you had no money? I turned tricks.

Hell yeah. As you should. As you should I also never talked about this but I charged at the Ralph's around the corner I charged five bucks a handy

so so then what happened after that how did you so we ended the relationship obviously it was just it was not healthy for either one of us and

and then I moved in with Michael Weston and I got and I got a job so you guys did I moved in with Michael Weston. And I got a job. So you guys did the movie together. Yeah, Michael Weston and I did the movie together. And then I called an old friend who was... Berlanti. No, I didn't know Berlanti yet. You did know Berlanti.

You guys worked in college together. Right, I knew him as an acquaintance in college, but it wasn't until Broken Hearts Club, the audition where we got reacquainted and we became friendly again. Got it. But so what happened, the next place we're going to go to is where I waited tables. I called an old friend. I'd never waited on a table in my life, but I knew there was a hot, there was a very hot restaurant in town called Le Colonial. It was a French-Vietnamese restaurant. And I just happened to know a friend of mine, old friend of mine, was the manager.

And I called her and I said, look, I need your help. I have never waited on a table, and I know this is a very fancy restaurant, but I'm a bit destitute, I really need a job. Please help me. And she did. She brought me on. She said, you're gonna have to fake it till you make it.

Because I didn't know anything. I didn't know how to use the computers. I didn't know anything. And she, this woman, really saved me. And I got a job at the restaurant. And that's when things changed a bit. That's a good movie right there in itself, too, though. You know what I mean?

That's like Swingers, kind of, where where you come... Everybody's story is very familiar to Swingers. That was what made that movie so amazing. But it's like you move out to Hollywood to become something that you dream about and they don't tell you about the crazy stuff that goes on before that all happens. They don't tell you about being broke and living in your girlfriend's house with two dickheads who want you out You know what I mean? They don't tell you about a landlord or a fucking neighbor who? Just wants to make your life a living hell

they don't tell you about no dough and how it's really hard to eat out here when you don't have money and There's always a light at the end of the tunnel. For me, it was clueless for you. It was your friend that worked at, that was a manager at a restaurant. This woman, I'll never forget her. She saved me. And she put me on. And if y'all remember the opening scene of Garden State,

or the opening sequence where I'm working in a French-Vietnamese restaurant, it was all based on this real life experience. So you already did put it in the movie. Yeah, but it was a very hard time, because I had never, I was dealing with, when you start having panic attacks, it's like, you're like,

is this gonna be a part of my life? Like, how do I get this under control? And I really had to start seeing a therapist to start tackling it because basically my anxiety, it's kind of like the dam breaks and your anxiety reaches a point for some people, I'm one of them, where you, it's like the dam broke. Like, panic attacks are a possibility now. Right, right, right.

If you dip into red. That's all you need is that little bit of a panic, like one panic attack, and then you'll have them for the rest of your life. That's how it goes? Well, no. First of all, you know how to prevent it from happening. You also know how to handle it when it does happen. You gain a whole tool chest that you didn't have.

Right. But it's like if you think about a car needle going into red, all of a sudden it's like you break through and you realize that that is a possibility, that that can happen to you. And so you need to manage it just like your car manages changing gears. Right, Joelle? I mean, you must have some experience with this.

Yeah, it would happen to me when I was very broke and I very similarly came out here also with $5,000 which is strange. That's interesting. Oh, wow. Yes, it was what was left over from my student loans. By the way,

for those of you listening, don't try to move to LA with five grand now. No, no. This is 2000. I came out here 2014 and it was gone in like six months.

You lasted six months with this shit. I didn't last that long. It was very chaotic and horrible and i was broke but fortunate enough to work in an industry that was constantly shipping me around the world to cover different events but it was like my first time being out on my own and it was a lot of new things but also when i landed i didn't have any money so i was like where are you feeding the journalists like we have bagels here i will eat four bagels and that

will be like breakfast and lunch and then we'll figure out dinner later wow and so yeah when i was at uh tiff which is toronto international film festival i i had been having like small panic attacks where it's like okay i can i can just really breathe and work on it and get through it but i had overbooked myself and i was doing red carpets for like the second time in my life. And those are very stressful as a journalist. And I had a panic attack so bad. I had to, like, I didn't know where I was or how I was going to get back to my place. And I didn't have any money. And I was like, couldn't inhale.

And luckily my friend was like, well, my hotel's like two blocks away. Can you make it? And I was like, just get me there. We'll find out what happens. We got there. I just laid on the floor. And I just curled up into the fetal position. And luckily she has has some other things so can she give me a klonopin or something

and that just it knocked me out it was so bad like they are i wouldn't wish panic attacks on my worst enemy they just come out of nowhere and they're so debilitating but that's right like once you get your toolkit in order and you know like okay it's happening i know how to work through it you also you're not going to die once once you have once your brain goes no you won't die from this like calm down um but the first time it happened i remember i was in a theater and i was sitting next to oh this is crazy but i was sitting next to my acting professor uh david downs and i was taking him to see a play that i had seen in new y and I really liked, and I wanted to show it to him because it was a production out here.

Production out here was a totally different cast and it was not nearly as good, and we're sitting in the audience, and I just felt embarrassed. I wanted to impress him that I had found a play, he was like my mentor, that he would really like. And he's one of those guys, my dad was the same way, when they don't like something they want to let you know. So he's one of those guys, my dad was the same way, like when they don't like something, they wanna let you know. So there's a lot of like, . My dad would do the same thing in the movie theater.

He wanted everyone to know around him that he did what he was not liking in the movie. It was so, it's such an annoying trait. My dad would be like, like, really, dad, You're not liking the film? Yeesh. But I remember my acting teacher was sort of not vibing and was doing some sighing,

and I felt embarrassed, and I knew the play wasn't as good as what I'd seen in New York. And, of course, the ingredients were all there. I was already in an anxious state. And I remember my lungs tightened up, and I was like, couldn't breathe, it was like someone was standing on my chest and I was like, and then when your brain does, what does your brain do?

You start playing it out, you go, oh my god, the ambulance is gonna have to come, I'm gonna be on a stretcher, all these people are gonna be filtering out of this theater seeing me on a stretcher, oh my, what is my professor gonna think and just start snowballing, snowballing. That's called spiraling, bro. Woo! How'd you get out of that one?

Now, I'll tell you how I got out of it. It was miraculous I was able to do it, but I had taken a few yoga classes. Yes. I was newly into getting into yoga, and a big part of yoga is quieting your mind and doing long, quiet breaths. And while watching this play, quote, unquote, watching, I sat next to this dude and went into a yoga breath session where I was just slowing down my breath in and out. And I fully, I didn't know what it was. I didn't even know it was a panic attack.

But I talked myself down. Wow. When I was a kid, they used to take us to, my parents and my aunts and uncles and everything like that used to take all of the kids to the ashram and in new york and you know there was this dude uh muktananda and this uh when he passed away his protege uh guru maya uh took over and i remember seeing people like you know lisa bonet like a bunch of actors and stuff there.

And what you would do, literally, you would just go there and you would, you know, either work as, you know, labor on the, at the ashram or you would meditate. And I remember that, you know, that I remember when I first, it was like, you literally sitting there. Oh,

I remember when I first, it was like, you're literally sitting there. Oh, Nama, Shivaya, right? And so when I moved out to Los Angeles and my mom, being the awesome mother that she is, she gave me a cassette of that. She's like, if ever you feel like you are, you know, not going to make it, put this on and just relax. And, you know, so I would play that stuff. Wow. My cousins, my cousins still do that my all of them do that i was sort of chanting it's it's yeah it's definitely chanting um yoga really um it yoga by the way if you're someone listening who's suffering from this first and foremost

see see a qualified therapist but also something that i think is i highly recommend is getting into yoga and meditation because that was the most valuable thing if you need it obviously there are medications that can help you but the thing you can do right off the bat even before you explore medications is is is is take a yoga class um get into meditation, which are many apps we've talked about before. There's an ashram out here, actually, too. It's not the same people, and it's not the same chanting, but you just literally, like anything like that, anything that calms you down and gives you an opportunity to look inward,

it really helps with a lot of stress and everything like that. Like, I'd love to take my wife to something like that but I fear that she'd freaking clown me like baby let's go to the ashram she's like the Asher what so anyway there's the Ralph's where I would eat hell yeah oh classic Ralph's giant Petco I stopped there you used to shop at that Ralph's, Daniel? I still do. I used to live right around the corner. We would walk there.

It was 144 South Detroit. Do you want to go to yours? No, go right to Beverly. My old place. Damn, I might want to talk about his first. This is not called Fake Doctors, Real Friends, and a DJ. Although a great name. A great name.

Donald, I feel like this is the biggest sunroof I've ever seen. Yeah, oh my god, it's so long. I have to get to the back because I don't want to burn. Do you want to open it? Go ahead, do you want to burn? Let's see what it looks like. Oh no he didn't! Wow!

It's the whole length of the car. Yeah, for if you're just listening to the audio, it's all the way to the back. It's like a sun and moon roof combined. It is, it is. Nice sunroof. Gorgeous. This is beautiful. I'm acting like we designed it. Alright, so we're driving now into West Hollywood and so the restaurant, this is where my next chapter of my Hollywood story began when I got a job at the restaurant. The restaurant is gone now. It's now a Leica store. So this place right here, do you recall me trying to bring you here one night? No. Because we couldn't find a club to go to. And you brought me here. And you were like, this motherfucker is bringing me to where I used to work.

Those were your exact words, but it was closed down already. This was the, when I was working here, this was the hottest place in town. It was meant to be a restaurant. It's a chain. Chain's the wrong word. It's a very high-end restaurant, but there were five of them across the country at the time. Got it. And this was the L.A. outpost, and it was very popular.

And it was meant to be just a restaurant, but on the second floor was a bar, and the bar was the spot at the time. Did you ever come before we knew each other? Yeah, man. I remember I was broke. Okay, so after clueless and in between scrubs i had no money i spent all my money on a house because i was having a i was i had kids i just had two two kids dade and kaya were born and so i spent all of this money to house myself and my girlfriend at the time so that we could live. Right. And. My buddy, Kevin Jordan, used to always try and get me to go out because he was new. He was he was in Hollywood for about the same amount of time that I was. But he was trying to develop himself as a director and all that stuff.

And so he would be like, yo, come out with me. Come out with me. And one night he brought me here, and I had no, I think I had something like 40 bucks on me. So, you know, literally. And I remember my wife, my girlfriend at the time being like, you know, you might need that for gas. You know what I'm saying?

This is, okay, but all right. And so we went out, and I drank my $40 like that. And so I had to ask my buddy if he could buy me some drinks. But I remember being up in there, and it was packed, and it felt like we were sitting on the floor at one point. You know what I mean? Like, that's how packed it was. It was the spot.

And I didn't really go upstairs because I was a waiter on the floor at one point. You know what I mean? That's how packed it was. It was the spot. And I didn't really go upstairs because I was a waiter on the main floor. And it was very, very hard. I became very good friends with all the people that worked here. There's so much camaraderie when you're a waitstaff and you're going through the tables. Gosh, on a Saturday night, it was just insanity.

And I remember, if you've ever waited tables, there's times when you have this computer and you put in all your orders and you look at a table and it's you're so slammed You're in the weeds as they say and you're like, oh my goodness Why does that table not have their appetizers yet? And then you'd look in the computer and you never put it in No, because you were just so swamped and mind you I'd never done this before and it is so hard You fucked up a lot in the beginning. Well in the beginning. you, I'd never done this before, and it is so hard. You fucked up a lot in the beginning. Well, in the beginning, yeah, I've never done it.

I mean, to go from, it wasn't like I was starting in a slow diner. I went from zero to a packed, sceney Beverly Hills restaurant. Just like in the movie, I wore a beige tunic. I didn't do eye makeup, and we didn't have ear pieces, but I added that. But one thing that is true from Garden State is that the manager would jokingly tell me, in the movie,

it's actually George C. Wolfe and he's being serious, but she would jokingly tell me that she would hold up headshots because people would try and get a job there by showing their headshot for some reason.

Wow. And she'd be like, you see all these headshots? Every day I get these headshots. So if you're late again, guess who's getting your job? And hold up the headshot. Oh, my gosh.

Geez, I'm shepherded. And I put that in Garden State. He goes, George C. Wolfe goes, so-and-so from Duluth, Minnesota is going to get you a job. Your attention level is still high. You're on coffee, baby. I really want to look up in the manual what the other icons are. I really want to hit

this parking button and see what this car does. You want to try to parallel park it somewhere? No. No. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do that,

but I kind of do want to do it. All right, let's go on the road. Oh my God, look at that. As he's backing up. I told you, it has an overhead view. How does that submit?

Where is the camera? This is wild. There are fisheye lenses in these sides of the car. But look, Daniel, I told you it has an overhead view. How does that? It's like there's a drone. This is wild. There are fisheye lenses in these sides of the car. But look, Daniel, that's from above. How could that possibly work? It's a drone. I know. It comes with a drone that floats above the car.

It looks like that. I'm sure of it. If you look at the wheels, the wheels were a lot bigger than it looks because it's really just fisheye lenses that are just on the side of the car. Wow. Really? Yeah. That's incredible. I've never seen that in a car before. All right. So now we are just on the side of the car. Wow. Really? Yeah. That's incredible.

I've never seen that in a car before. All right, so now we're getting in our tour of Hollywood continues. We're driving up a very posh street in West Hollywood called Robertson where there's lots of fancy stores. Pizza on this right here too. Oh, yeah. So now we're on to Melrose, Chichones. Very nice restaurant if you come to LA.

Yeah, that's a great one right there. Here's Catch LA. If you want to come have the scene experience. I was one of the original owners of Catch LA. Really? I didn't know that. And I got bought out because... Because that's what you do when they offer you money.

Oh, yeah. Because that's what you do when they offer you money. Someone had their upfronts party here and everyone got a topiary. It's a very popular place to have parties. We went to an NBC Universal party at Chich- What do you say? I say Chichoni.

You're probably right. We went to an upfront party there. Not an upfront. An NBC Universal party there once. And let me tell you something right now. Go ahead. That food was good. And when you have money, you can right now. Go ahead. That food was good. Yeah.

And when you have money, you can eat well in this city. That's true. When you have money, yes. We're mentioning places that are not cheap currently. No. But we're in the not cheap area. Yes. Right.

Although fairly priced right here, great place, Zinque. Z-I-N-Q-U-E. Yeah. Oh. If you ever come to visit LA. It's poppin', y'all. Yeah, it is poppin'. They're inside and outside dining. It's poppin', y'all. Yeah, it is poppin'. Inside and outside dining.

It's right across the street from the Pacific Design Center. Oh, wow. Graze is where I saw Get Out for the first time. At the Design Center? Yeah, they do luxury black press screenings here. Nice. There you go. And it was great.

This place coming up, also great. Earth Cafe. Oh, Earth, of course. Also, my favorite place to shop is coming up right now. It's called Rag & Bone. Yeah, we'll check that Rag & Bone. I thought you were gonna say cookies, and I was gonna be like, that's my favorite place to shop.

No, we like Rag & Bone. Earth Cafe, back when I was eating chicken, they make a curry chicken salad sandwich, changing life. Nice, nice. It's curry? It's curry flavoring in a chicken salad. Really good. Also designed within reach if you want a Herman Miller chair for twice as much money as it usually costs.

Really? I didn't know they marked it up. It's expensive. All right, you're going to go left on La Pianega. Hey, we're about to pass one of our all-time favorites back in the day. What's that? It's no longer our all-time favorite, but we used to go to this restaurant right here. Coy.

Coy, yeah. All the time. We used to go to that spot. It looks fancy. And there's some good restaurants on this part of town. I remember when this was the Spanish kitchen. You used to go to the garlic place. The Stinking Rose?

Yeah. No. Fogo de Chow. Fogo de Chão. Fogo de Chão. I still go. I haven't gone to Fogo de Chão in a long time, actually. But that is one of my favorite restaurants. What is Fogo de Chão?

Brazilian food? Brazilian barbecue meat. It's the kind where you flip the thing and they just keep bringing you cuts of meat. They're like, would you like? Would you like? And they just shave it off onto your plate. And then when you're done, you flip it over. Yep.

You flip the sign over. Oh, you're telling me you don't want any more? You're like, I'm done with the meat, dog. I'm out. You got a green side and a red side, and they're like, I'm done. I once got in a car accident on this next block here. Oh, really? Did you roll backwards?

Or did somebody roll back onto you? I almost rolled backwards on that one. Oh, good. Oh, at the top of... By the way, this is the worst stick shift Street intersection in LR Okay, why because it's a big asshole because it's very steep very where La Cienega meets sunset is is is advanced It's shifting. Okay Because the problem is is that people assume that you're an automatic car these days and they pull up right behind you

Yeah, so there's no room to roll back at all. And you got to be on it. You have to be on it. Which is weird with a stick shift because even when you're on flat surfaces, it seems like it backs up first and then goes forward. Yeah, but this part of LA is not too hilly, but right there, that's a tough intersection. So we're now going to head to the Disney backlot. Not to be confused with Disneyland, for those of you not in the business. Wait a minute, what?

Well, I'm explaining it for people that have no... I thought we were going to Disneyland. Oh, sorry, kids. What? What? Let's go'm explaining it for people that have no... I thought we were going to Disneyland. Oh, sorry, kids. What? Dance? Let's go. Sorry, kids. We're going to a...

I want a California venture. Okay, we are not doing the Pixar P.A. Sorry, continue. You want to go right... Yeah. We... I wouldn't mind going. I'm keeping my baby boy down.

I want to go to Disneyland Yeah right Yeah exactly That place is Not good Is this Sadler We won't go This place

Carney's This is my chili dog spot Really Carney's is fire This is where we used to get food After we got really drunk What I stopped eating there

After my hot dog Looked like a damn thumb Oh What What Remember this one? Cabo Cantina? Yeah.

Cabo Cantina. Nothing about that. That used to be the jam when that was a parking lot, right? There's a place coming up called Pinchy's Tacos? No, the Pink Taco.

This right here is where I work out Unbreakable Performance up there on, above the Pink Taco. Okay. Okay. All right.

Well, see you there. Pink Taco, like, this is called, up here, see it says Pinchy's Taco? Which is funny because Pinchy's means Okay. Okay. All right. Well. See you there. Pink taco. This is called, up here, see it says Pinches Taco? Which is funny because Pinches means fucking in Spanish. So the place is called fucking tacos. Fucking tacos.

I like that. All right. Get in the left lane here, bro. Do you want to do that or do you want to get on the 101 all the way up? Are you going to be able to get on the 134 that way? Yeah. You are? No. Wait, are we trying to get to Burbank? Yeah.

Oh, I would just take this down to Cahuenga and take Cahuenga to Barmah. Yeah, because then you'll come right up on it. By the way, for those of you listening, this is how you have to talk about getting around LA. You've seen it on SNL and the Californians. It's so real. The realest conversation.

The elaborate conversations about how to navigate. I took the 101 to the 405. Got to the 10. What's going on over there? Oh, do you remember when Hyde was here? It's gone. I think that... Where is it? It's right here where it's a sneaker garden.

So this, we're passing... Where this is, must be 8029 sunset. Right across from... It's right next door to Greenblatt's and... Yeah, so if you're going to follow our journey one day, it's three doors down from Greenblatt's Deli. And that was the hotspot small nightclub that Dahl and I used to go to. That was the spot.

That's before you were with Casey. Yeah, before Casey. Hyde, that used to be there. Hyde, H-Y-D go to. That was the squad. That's before you were with Casey. Yeah, before Casey. Hyde. That used to be there. Hyde. H-Y-D-E. That was the spot. I have heard of that spot. That was the spot.

Well, it's everywhere now. It was real famous. It got real famous. But the original little one was there. And Dahl and I would get into lots of hijinks. That's funny. Hijinks? I remember Jessica Simpson once came in wearing short.

Daisy Dukes. Daisy Dukes and a flannel top. And I said to her, someone got to keep their wardrobe. Wow! I thought it was funny, but Donald cringed and walked away. I didn't cringe, I laughed my ass off at that. Casey might have cringed, but I laughed so hard at that. Oh my God. That's funny. Someone got to keep her wardrobe. Casey might have craved it, but I laughed so hard at that. Oh, my God.

That's funny. Someone got to keep her wardrobe. Yeah. That's funny. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. It made me laugh so hard when I heard that. Well, she was dressed like Daisy Duke. Like, that always cracked me up.

That'd be like me and Donald showing up in scrubs. I don't know. Please. That's exactly what i'd be like me and donald showing up in scrubs yeah oh that's exactly what it would be like actually all right so since we're headed to the disney lot let's talk about our experience so when you're at the we've told you if you're avid listener of the podcast about some of this before but at the very end of your audition process there's two final steps the last two hurdles you have to go through. You have to go to the studio and audition in front of their executives. And then you go to the network and you audition. If you make it past the studio level, then you make it to the network level.

I didn't have to do that at, I don't think mine was on the Disney lot. I don't remember where it was. I remember it was like a really tiny room though. Your studio test, you didn't have to do it? My studio test was Zucker's first, first. First network. Right, my network test was my studio test also. Oh, wow.

Everybody was in the room, if I'm correct. I didn't audition for Scrubs as many times as you did. Right. Well, maybe because you were famous. I had competition. There were two dudes whom I knew very well and partied with, and they both auditioned for Scrubs at the studio with me. And I still blew the audition, man. One of them almost got that job.

If it wasn't for Bill coming out and being like, dude, come on, get it together. Right. But it's a lot of pressure because you start auditioning in smaller locations and all of a sudden... By the way, this all goes full circle because where we're going was also... This is the route I would take to take that girlfriend

I told you about to her job. And I would drop her off on this very same lot. So my life came, oh no, keep going, to go to Cahuenga. I thought this was Barham right here. No, no, no, Cahuenga. Highland gets you straight onto the freeway. No, there's a side street also that you can turn onto. You get to Barham?

Yeah. I took the 101. Okay. Yeah, it's Coinga Boulevard, actually. But he's just saying go to Coinga. I know, but the side street over here is Coinga also, next to the freeway. And then it turns into Highland. Huh, wild.

Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Where it goes on the side of the freeway left and then you cross over. I know what you mean. Yeah, no it goes on the side of the freeway left and then you cross over. I know what you mean. Yeah, no, totally. Also valid. You take the 101.

Oh, the corner we just passed, that's my favorite burger in LA right now. Oh, okay. There's a pop-up there Wednesday through Sunday. Where? On the corner of Sycamore and Sunset. It's a pop-up called Chris and Eddie's. They're about to have their first brick and mortar atmortar at Western and Sunset and they do a smash Slider and it's my favorite burger right now

Okay Side note that I will cut out of the episode. No, you're gonna keep it. Why are you gonna cut that out? That's great. You can keep it in the episode. Very inside. We're shouting out all of these great restaurants. We're telling people who don't live in LA when they come to LA where to go eat.

When you moved out here was was the Spaghetti Factory still there? No. Well, maybe it was. I've never been there. What is that? I've heard of it. It was literally what is called the Spaghetti Factory. It was the worst tasting spaghetti you would ever eat in your life.

Well, it's a franchise, so it's like all over the place. They have one right across from the San Diego Convention Center. Every year, one of the groups of 50 I have to meet is like, let's just go to Spaghetti Factory, I'm like, cool. Please no. I'll just get a drink. Yeah. It's fine.

Anyway, everything kind of came full circle because now I was on the verge of getting a really life changing job and it just happened to be on the very same back lot. I think it's always so trippy when there's a place where you have all of these bad memories, and then you come back better, stronger. Well, it's really interesting. There are some places where I'm like, I don't think I've ever done a movie or a project for this studio.

You know what I mean? Like, I haven't done a paramount job since Clueless, I think, if I'm correct. And, you know, Warner Brothers, I remember I couldn't break, I couldn't get into a Warner Brothers anything for the longest. And the last few things that I've done have been Warner Brothers. But I remember being, like, driving by, because you know how they put the pictures up on the sides of the studios?

Like, I don't think I've ever been, maybe I've been in a Sony thing. Yeah, I did. Ray Donovan was at Sony. But you know how you drive by and you see all these pictures and you're like, one day that's going to be my picture? That's yet to happen. Until Scrubs. When we did Scrubs and it went into syndication, and I remember us being on every fucking bus in New York City. And all my friends being like, dude, you're everywhere right now. That was the old Hollywood Athletic Club right there.

Yeah, it is the best place to have a fancy dinner. Or not dinner, but like event. Play pool and everything. But I remember being like, this is the best. Wow, I've made it. When the bus drove by, I remember going to New York and it not dawning on me that I was on a bus until somebody was like I was sitting in the car with my dad he looked over and he was like get the he was like look at this and I looked over and it was

us scrubbing in whatever the poster was three of us where was it It was in New York, like on some street. And just my dad being like, wow, my son is on a bus. But I was oblivious to it. You know what I mean? Like, I looked over and I was like, yeah, I know. I hate when people do that shit. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. My wife does that shit. I'm sorry. This is Kauai. You might want to turn right here. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm reminding you.

Listen, man, I'm Han Solo. I'm not Chewbacca. Look, R.I.P. Amoeba Music. This was our last great giant record shop. R.I.P. freaking Arclight. Oh, our last great beautiful movie theater. The last place I saw a movie was the Arclight before a pandemic happened. Here's the question.

Who buys the Arclight? Or who buys the Cinerama Dome? I hope Quentin Tarantino does. He's got enough money to do it. You think so? Well, it's a Hollywood landmark, so it's protected. They can't tear it down. Oh, no, no, they're not tearing it down, but I just think it'll be the Netflix Cinerama Dome. Oh, that's smart. That'd be cool. That'd be really cool, actually.

We are buying a lot of real estate out here. I'm going to check your... Okay, so check this out. Hold on, let me check your attention level. It's still high. Hold on, check this out. Joseph's? So you see this right here Joseph's where the R is Yes, my first manager ever in the history of being managed was Tracy Edmonds and this was Edmonds entertainment right here where we are and

This prompted one night Zack and I got to go to the Playboy Mansion Yeah, we went with Tracy Edmonds. Yeah. And we went to Kenny Babyface Edmonds' house. Wow. And do you remember how big that thing was? It was a mansion. That thing was like so much land. Yeah, it was enormous. This was his thing.

And right here, this used to be a convenience store that wasn't really a convenience store. It was a weed spot. What is this line for? This one. Station? There's got to be some kind of pop-up or something. That's a long-ass line. Look at this line. And none of them got on masks. kind of pop-up or something. That's a long-ass line.

Look at this line. That's nice. And none of them got on masks. I know, but the masks are done, I guess. Look at these people. They're not even six feet apart. They're still out, style-wise. I see y'all.

It looks like, um... Oh my God, that seems, like, irresponsible. And we just passed the Hotel Cafe, which is where a lot of our friends play music, and it's a great place to see live music if you come to Los Angeles. Well this right here, you remember this right here? Vinyl Joseph's, right? Joseph's? Yeah, this was a club that Dylan used to go to.

I remember seeing Dylan there. Right off of Yucca. Yeah, listen. You think I want to spend the rest of my life living on Yucca? That's Vince Vaughn in the masterpiece Made. I still say this, man. To this day, Vince Vaughn and... Fab Bro?

Fab need to do another one. I'm ready. Me too. Because I don't know if enough people saw Made. I don't know if enough people saw Swingers. Everyone saw Swingers. I don't know, man. Everyone that saw Swingers is old now. Is it still relevant? Like, does it still feel the same? I don't know if enough people saw Swingers. Everyone saw Swingers. I don't know, man. Everyone that saw Swingers is old now.

Is it still relevant? Like, does it still feel the same when you watch it? I don't know. But if you're listening to this and you haven't seen Swingers, you need to see Swingers. And then you need to follow it with Maid. Oh. This is my per diem. Because you stole my van.

It's my per diem. And I don't like you. For me, this is my per diem. Great movie, man. Oh, man. So we're on our way to the Disney lot, which you can, you know, I don't know if they give tours of the Disney lot. Not anymore. They used to.

It's a cool place, though. Fun fact about the Disney lot. Walt built it. He was planning to build Disneyland right next to it. Oh. But the city of Burbank was like, you're going to make us look like a carny town, get out. And so that's when they went to Anaheim.

But as he was building up the lot, he made sure all of the buildings were earthquake proof. So despite being built in like the early 50s, if you look at it, all the bricks are made so that as they shift, they kind of like shift and fold back into one another. Oh, wow. So it won't fall down.

It's still to this day considered earthquake-proof. That's smart. Wow. He was a smart guy. Very forward-thinking. The lot itself is featured, if you want to see it, in the Tom Hanks movie about the making of Mary Poppins. What's that movie called? Something Hold On. Something Mr. Banks. S's that movie called? Something... Hold on.

Mrs... Something Mr. Banks. Mr. Saving Mr. Banks? Saving Mr. Banks. Yeah, that's it. So, obviously, it really took place there, the experience of making Mary Poppins, and there's all sorts of shots on the lot

of Tom Hanks being Walt Disney. Quick tidbit, what lot was La La Land filmed on? That's a good question. My guess would be Warner Brothers. Very good. Was I right? Yeah, very good. Well done.

So when you're an actor in Hollywood and you're going on auditions, you have to drive around often to casting directors' offices, but very often if it's television shows, to the actual back lots. And there's, I don't know, let's say five or six major ones. And they're all spaced over town. So back in the old-school way of doing pilot season,

you could have five or six auditions a day, and you'd have one over here, and then the next one would be 45 minutes away, and then the one after that would be back over here. And when I first moved out here, I think I've told you this, we didn't have GPS, and I had no idea where I was going. What was the name of that book that you had to get? The Thomas Guide. And it was this elaborate map that was like three inches thick book. I got that as a present for my 16th birthday. And my mom was like, you're initiated.

Right. It was like A, B, C, D. It was like all the letters and then all the numbers, too, to coincide. That was miserable. GPS was perfect for L.A. because it's just such a... So crucial. But that's how studios would get you to the audition. They'd be like, it's page such and such and such and such in the Thomas Guide. Wow. And you'd be like, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm.

Okay, to get to here, I have to do this. And then you'd have to trace it back to where you are in the Thomas Guide and how it connects to it. I would have failed on navigation alone. Oh, dear. It was very tricky. I think I told you my brother would draw me these elaborate hand-drawn maps. He'd be like, this is from our place to audition one.

From audition one to two, a different page. From audition three to four, this page. Come on, brother. That's great. He was amazing. He was very sweet. And he was an artist. So they were beautiful.

I wish I still had them. That sounds like a game show in itself, giving some, like, millennials or Gen Z kids a Thomas guide, being like, okay, get here, go. The other thing that sucked about living on Detroit Street, to get over here was always traffic. There's always traffic in this area, whether it's going this way or this way at some point in the day, right? So if you worked over here to get back, it would take at least an hour just to get through this whole bar and pass.

This bar and pass is tough. Now over here is the Oakwood, well they don't call it the Oakwoods anymore. But it was temporary housing where a lot of actors would come into town for a little while, they would stay there. So expensive. And children very often. There was a documentary that was amazing. Jewel, can you look it up for me?

It's a documentary about child actors and the Oakwood apartments. Okay. And because their families would come into town for pilot season, and they'd live in these houses. It was something like $2,000, $4,000 a month or some crap just to live there, though, man. And if you didn't get the furnished one, like, it was a pain in the butt.

Now it's called the Ava. The Hollywood Complex. That's what it's called? Yeah. All right, if you guys want to watch a documentary about it, it's called The Hollywood Complex. And I think they finally rebranded it because it has such a negative connotation. Seriously. So now it's called the Ava. The Oakwoods, what? No, no, no, no.

We're not the Oakwoods. We're not that place. No, no, no, no. No, it's different now. It's mostly NYU students. And this is the back of the Universal. Yeah, this is the Universal back. Like I had a fitting over here for Josie and the Pussycats. Nice. And then over here is the Warner Brothers lot. Yeah, now we're just pulling up to the Warner Brothers lot.

I love the Warner Brothers back lot. It's so pretty. It's very pretty. Before the fire, what was that, two years ago now? That ancient Western set where like every Warner Brothers Western had shot on a silver ship. Oh no, that wasn't here. That was some, that was actually, that's a different lot. It is?

The Western lot was an actual lot that was just... No, they have a Western set here. I know because I took NYU students to film on it all the time. Or, uh, NY, New York Film Academy students would film there all the time. Here's the posters Donald's talking about. Yeah, these are the posters. You're still not up there right now. I was hoping to be in this one this year, but you know... You're not up there right now. You need to be Young Sheldon.

Did you audition for Young Sheldon? You could have been Young Sheldon. I auditioned for Sheldon. You could have been Old Sheldon. All-American, look at Taye Diggs, like Taye Diggs, baby. Taye Diggs. Taye Diggs made the wall. What is All-American? I haven't even heard of it. It's like the CW's number one show, dude.

It's like a modern Friday Night Lights. Oh, really? Yeah. And Taye Diggs has a really big part in it. It's about football? Yes. High school football. High school football.

And then their spinoff is about HSBCUs. Did I say that right? Yeah. HBCU. Thank you. HBCUs. I don't know why I think HSBCUs. Circle Black Colleges and Universities. And Universities. I was like, wait. This billboard has always

been so key to me, and this one here, we're in the high chase. Yeah. And that's like such an iconic spot, because everyone who comes into this part of the valley where all the lots are sees that billboard. Can't miss it. And when I made Going in Style, it was for Warner Brothers, who controls that billboard, and I was like, I have one request.

Can we at least be on that billboard? And they said yes. So we had like a month up there. Nice. That's cool. Let's go. That's the best. Because it's just such a pivotal billboard in the Valley.

Everyone sees it. Yeah. Everyone sees it. This is usually the gate right up here, this next gate, around this corner and everything. Yeah. That's where we go audition. Around this corner.

Yep, and you go down there. But they bring the actors in the back door. We don't want you messing up the front. Have you guys ever like owned or stayed in one of the bungalows? No. No. That's my dream. I want to just live in one of the... Nobody lives there.

Or not like live in, but like housed in. Bill's office is in one of those. Oh, there. Nobody lives there. Or not like live in, but like housed in. Bill's office is in one of those walkways. Oh, so cool. That's so cool. All right, so we're getting close. This place. Whole Foods?

Ridiculous. And the apartments above it are so overpriced. Really? Just like the food. We were thinking about moving there, and I was like, I would love to live above a Whole Foods. It's like, nope. Whole Life Easy. I think I'm trying.

Whole Foods? Is it Riverside? We're past Rivers. I think I'm trying to get a Whole Foods. Is it Riverside? We're past Riverside. Also, we are now passing the iHeart Studios. Yes, we are. The iHeart Theater is. Where two years ago we showed up for the iHeart Podcast Awards. Yeah, you're right.

This is where Jay Leno used to be. Indeed. At the iHeart Radio. In his old studio, it's where they shoot all of the... Overwatch League? Overwatch League stuff. She might have said... Overwatch League? Overwatch League stuff. I sure am. Overwatch is video games, guys.

Yes, it is. For those of you who don't know. Yeah, I know why you guys talked about that for a second. Sorry. This is Photochem, one of the last places in town that still develops film. Wow. Wow. Bless it.

We're really getting a good tour of Los Angeles. I really feel like. You guys should, if you're really getting a good tour of Los Angeles. I really feel it. Seriously. You guys should, if you're listening and you come be a tourist here, you should just listen to this and follow us around. This is how you do it. We're currently driving to Palo Medo.

You rent a Hyundai Tucson and then you follow our map. Yep. So go right here, Donald. Here's the Disney lot. We can show actually the entrance we went in. Look at those mouses. Do you know how many mouses are all up there? I think it's mice. I think it's mice.

Look at those mice. You know how many mice are up there? All right. Mices. Now, get in the right lane, maybe. This is Providence High School. My brother coached basketball here. Wow.

Well, anyway, that's where I entered. Yes. I'm trying to tell you a story. Wow. Where can we pull in? Go ahead and pull into Providence High School. Well, careful. Good thing the Hyundai Tucson told us.

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Yeah, so what can I tell you? I had a regimen that I followed when I started getting callbacks for Scrubs. I would wear the same outfit, a blue button-down shirt I still have. I had a little bit of facial scruff, which I kept. And then I went to this gym and run on the treadmill for 30 minutes. And then I had these songs. So I pulled into that parking lot on the Disney lot, I pulled into that parking lot on the Disney lot.

And I had a series of songs I would play to get myself amped up. And one of them was a Radiohead song called Stop Whispering. And the lyrics were essentially, stop whispering, start shouting. And I interpreted it as like, for myself, stop being small, stop playing tiny, like go big. You know, when I had one of those, I had two songs that were like that. And they were both by Eminem on his first LP. And it was Rock Bottom. And it was I Just Don't Give a Fuck. And I used to play I Just Don't Give a Fuck after every audition, whether I blew it or I got it right.

It was one of those things where it was like, that album for some reason really touched on, before Scrubs, like I said before, once again, I was broke and I spent all this money on this house and, you know, I wasn't managing my money well or anything and I, I, I, everything just never seemed to go the right way. You know what I mean?

It just seemed like no matter what I did, I couldn't get the, whether I trained really hard or whether I studied the night before, I'd get in a room and I'd literally black out and be like, oh shit, what's my first line? What's my first line? What's my first line?

What's my first line? And it kept happening. And when Scrubs came around thank goodness it didn't happen and thank goodness for bill to be honest with you man because i don't know i don't without him being such a great cheerleader i don't know that i would have there's no way i would have gotten this part like Like, I say that to a lot of people. I'm one of the worst auditioners you'll ever meet. But if you give me the role and you give me some time to work with you,

I'll deliver what you're looking for. Well, it's a good lesson, too, for people, filmmakers and creators out there. Like, someone you love, you know, chokes at the audition. Like, don't give up on them because they it's so there's so much pressure you know here we are it's just like athletes i'm sure you're you're in the locker room so to speak although i'm in my nissan 240sx and i'm trying to get myself you know psyched up to not mess this up everything's on the line right now it

doesn't matter how many times i did it right before. All that matters is that when I go in this room, I'm gonna do it right now. And so I would listen to that song, Stop Whispering, to be like, you know, you've been being small. You haven't been bringing your best. You haven't been bringing your A-game. You're gonna go in there and start shouting. And another song I would listen to was Blind Melon's song.

No Rain? No, Change. You're just afraid of change. You know that song? No. I don't know any of these songs you're talking about. Well, it's not necessarily the kind of music you listen to, but we know that already. You listen to rap.

No, I listen to all music now, but at that point in time, yeah, you're right. Anyway, Change was about being afraid of change and not and being intimidated by by I don't know I interpret it as being intimidated by starting a new chapter where you're living your fullest and you're being your best and you're fully self expressed well you know that's scary as fuck

for a lot of people you know what I mean like the fear of success is real I don't care who you are you fear the unknown and if you haven't been successful That's, you know what I mean? Like, the fear of success is real. I don't care who you are. You fear the unknown. And if you haven't been successful your whole life and it come and you see it on the horizon, that's the easiest way to talk yourself out of stuff.

Well, I've been here for so long. You know what I mean? I'm not gonna, so what if it doesn't happen right now for me? Like, you find ways to talk yourself out of it. Yeah. That's pretty cool though, man? Like, you find ways to talk yourself out of it. Yeah. That's pretty cool though, man. Like, you, that was my turn. I'll get on the 134.

Anyway. That's really, I find that very refreshing that, you know. You can go, it's blinking yellow. But there's cars coming. Oh, now it's red. Don't fuck, don't fucking. OK, I'm stopping. Pfft.

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Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Should we? No, but that's refreshing to know that, you know, you're not the only one that feels that way. So, you know, to hear stories like that, that's great.

I definitely think it's a good idea. You know, obviously we all see athletes on TV listening to music, getting themselves psyched up. But I think it's a good idea for whatever you're doing. music getting themselves psyched up but I think it's a good idea for whatever you're

doing if you're going on a job interview if you're if you're whatever you whatever task is making you nervous and anxious put

on a song first time having sex with someone sure yeah I wasn't gonna say that but sure word you're like in the bathroom

get fired up here we go go hard or go home you can go hard or go home you can go hard or go home okay You can go hard or go home. You can go hard or go home. Okay.

Okay. People like some romance music. Oh, my God. That's a good way to start it off. I keep wrapping up on a theme. It's either that or... On this harvest moon. What?

Whatever works for you. Low-key or young. Whatever works for you, put it on. Get yourself psyched up. That's how I would go on auditions. I definitely recommend it for actors. Putting on a song that gives you confidence, that makes you feel like you got this. It definitely worked for me.

Do you find that when you go on auditions and you don't really care that much, that you do a better job? You know, there's an expression I think of. I think I mentioned it before maybe not but i'm being committed but not attached and so i'm i'm committed but i'm not like desperately hanging on by my fingernails i need this right so it's like i'm committed i'm gonna go do my best i'm gonna bring everything everything that is in my control will be at level 10 but i'm not in a desperate place like if this doesn't happen i'm gonna give up and and die right yeah right yep right that's hard yeah because the minute that good audition comes in like i remember i auditioned for red tails and i wanted it so bad but they kept

telling me you're a little too old they didn't say you're a little too old they were like you're too old for these parts i was like what are you talking about i got such a baby face like you're a little too old. They didn't say you're a little too old. They were like, you're too old for these parts. And I was like, what are you talking about? I got such a baby face. And they're like, you're a little too old. I think I was like 30 at the time. And they were kids, and you know,

they're supposed to be kids. Right, right. And they were like, we have a role, but you know, still you're a little too old, but we're going to let you audition for it. Guess who beat me out for the part two?

Who? Method Man, motherfucker. What? Two times in a row. Garden State and freaking Red Tails. It was funny for like,

they said I was too old looking. Who beat me out? Sam Jackson. But, yeah, man, like, I remember wanting it so bad

and studying so hard and, you know, working with my wife on it and, you know, her giving me, you know, working with my wife on it and, you know, her giving me, you know, critiques on how I should do it and everything and me being like, you're absolutely right and, you know, going in there and just not even close to crushing the audition.

Like, I blew it completely, right? But I was so attached to it that I had animosity towards the director. I was like, man, fuck you for not hiring me. You know, like all of these things, dude. Like, I just, for a minute, I was so pissed off at George Lucas. You know what I mean? Like, just everything,

because I really wanted that role, and I was so attached to getting that role. And it's hard not to do that. It's hard. You just have to, there's only so much, there's only so much in your control. Right. Now, you can control, did you really put in the work and work on it? Did you really get memorized and really know it backwards and forwards?

Did you really work on it in multiple different ways? Did you really prepare? When I look back at it, I definitely did not. You know what I mean? There you go. When I look back at it, I smoked. Do. You know what I mean? There you go. When I look back at it, I smoked. Do you want to get off here?

We can get off at Coldwater, right? Get off here. Okay. When I look back at it, I smoked so much weed before I would study, and I smoked weed before the audition, and I might have even drank the night before to try. Like trying to get into the mode and feel creative and shit like that. And that you might feel good for a couple of takes, but then that's a wrap after that, bro. You know what I mean? Like you're off in La La Land. You're not, no pun intended. You're not really, we got to go this way. River starts this way. Right.

You're not really in it to win it. But that's just exactly what I'm saying is that, you know, look at, be really critical of did you truly, truly, truly bring your A game? Right. Did you drink the night before? Did you smoke a ton of weed that week before? This is all just acting, but apply it to your own life in any way you can.

Is there anything you could have done to have made your performance in the moment better? And then if you've done that, you walk away and go, okay, it's out of my hands now. I did everything I could. And I can tell you from being on the other side of the table when you're a director,

you might come in and blow me away with your acting, but you look too much like the other guy I've already cast. Or you blow me away with your acting and no way you're going to be the brother of the woman I've already cast. There's reasons that are just so out of your control. Age or whatever. Yeah, you know, I didn't give myself...

Looking back at it now, I know I didn't give myself a chance to win, but I was so caught up in the fact that it was something that I wanted, and because I wanted it, I should get it. You know what I mean? Like, there's that feeling of entitlement. Yeah, you felt entitled. That comes with being in the game for so long, you know? But that's the thing about Hollywood. I always tell young people, nobody owes you anything.

Anything. Nobody owes you anything. Every step of the way, you have to prove yourself. Careful, this woman is literally crossing the street with a dog with no leash on. That's really bad. That is a leash. It's just really bad.

Oh, I didn't see it. Like, I dare them to give me an audition for Star Wars now. You know what I mean? I dare you. I triple dog dare you. I triple dog dare you. But that has a sense of entitlement to it. In what way? You're saying, like...

I know that I would be very prepared for that audition. Oh, I see what you're saying. I misunderstood what you're saying. Instead of being like, instead of being like, oh, they're going to give me this card. I'm getting emotional. Slow down. So we were pulling up to, well, I guess pull over here, dog, I guess. Oh my goodness. So this is a weird first because this is not what it was anymore.

But this is a giant apartment building that used to be the hospital. If you ever come here, it's at the corner of Riverside and Whitsitt. Across the street from Mikado's. Across the street from Mikado's Japanese sushi bar, which I never went to. Did you ever go there? They would bring it to set sometimes. Oh, really? Then I guess I did have it. And there's a famous industry hair and makeup supply place.

Namey's. I don't know, Don. What do you feel? We spent nine years of our life on this block. I never thought they'd tear the hospital down, to be honest with you. They always threatened. Every year, they were like, we're going to tear it down. First, we're going to make a senior home. I think it is a senior home. No, it's not.

It isn't? No. That was like one of the plans. It doesn't seem like a great place to live. Like a lot of these apartments are like, who lives there? Up there. Look how skinny that is. We're mad at it being a new building, so we're going to criticize it?

Yeah, exactly. I don't care. Although I have to say, it is like the stereotypic developer threw up an apartment building. I don't know why they all look like this. It's really bad looking. I'm OK to shit on it, because they took our spot. I wish it was still an abandoned house.

Yeah. How dare you leave something useful for the neighborhood? Get out of here. You're housing so many people. I know, but listen, you guys. There's no more cartoonish example of some developer putting up an LA apartment building than this. This is what they all look like.

Yeah. I remember so many things. I feel like my dressing room was right around there. You know? In that area. We would do so many shots. Basically, we're this little drive-in right there. This is the front lobby where all those scenes were. Oh wow. You know what's crazy?

I remember because I lived in the valley when we were making this I lived deep in the valley I lived in Northridge but when you would drive by this place on the 101 I could literally point at my dressing room. That's my dressing room. Yeah. That's my dressing room and then's my dressing room. And then I knew where Zach's was, I knew where Sarah's was, I knew where Johnny's was. And, you know, it was,

oh man, such great memories of, you know, they gave us direct TV once with like unlimited free. It's the little things. They gave us direct TV. No, but think about it. They gave us direct TV with unlimited pay-per-view. What?

What? Oh no, it wasn't unlimited. We never saw the film. We never saw the film. And so you would just rent movies. Oh my God. Right on. But I just remember being like, wow, this is amazing.

And then any new film that came out, you could just watch it. And that was sometimes why I didn't come to set, because I was so caught up in, like, you know, the devil wears Prada or something like that. You know? We, and in so much of the show, if you know the show like a lot of the listeners do, took place in that parking lot that's back there. It's a dirt pile now. I know, but that was like a character. The parking lot was sort of a character in the show. Totally.

So much of the show happened there. And, you know, the great thing for us was, you know, we just took you on a tour of some of the back lots. And the thing about the back lots is, first of all, you're on fake sets, which can look amazing, obviously, but there was something so magical about being off on our own. All of it was real.

We were in a real hospital. And we built, as we've said before, we built our sets into the hospital. And Bill had no, you know, sometimes when you're on a lot, the executives are always stopping by and giving you notes or saying, you know, Bill had no direct oversight here.

No one came here. No one was going to come visit the abandoned hospital. And he was really left to his own devices to make the show on his own. That's awesome. Yeah. I do miss that time in my life. That was a really good time in my life, man. Like, I was making money.

We were out. We were the hit guys in Hollywood, if you will. Like, I remember Fred Savage coming up and introducing himself to me and me being like, yo, dude. Your examples of this, not to diss Fred Savage, he's awesome, but your examples of celebrities you get stoked about. I get stoked. You're like, I met fucking Fred Savage.

Dude, the Wonder Years was my jam. Yo, the Wonder Years was my jam. Speaking of the Wonder Years, though, Dulé Hill is the new dad on the Wonder Years. Really? No way. We have to get him on the show. There would be something wrong if we did a podcast

that didn't say the words Dulé Hill. It's true. It's true. Well, this was fun, you guys. Hell yeah. It was. Incomfortable. Yes.

Extremely. You know what's crazy is that we just don't have enough time to go to all the places that we lived, and all the places that we experienced really cool things. Once I got put on with Clueless and stuff like that, there are a bunch of places like I had a, there was an entourage house for me pretty much and stuff.

I don't know. But, you know, that's for another show and another time. Next time, Hyundai. Next time. This was really fun, though. It was.

It was a blast. It was really fun and it makes me want to do more things with you guys. Like, we should go on some adventures together. Hell yeah.

That sounds great. I like it when we're in person. Our shows are always pops. Yeah, it's so much fun. We laugh a lot. We do. You guys are funny. We are.

All right. You want to count us out, my friend? Five, six, seven, eight. We've got stories about a show we made About a bunch of docs and nurses And a janitor who loved me

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Listen to Koala Moon on the iHeartRadio app, on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, for years, we have humbly celebrated Women's History Month at QLS with a full month of fantastic female guests. This year, we say with pride that we have four multi-talented, award-winning ladies who kicked down barriers.

I'm talking Brittany Howard, Corinne Bailey Ray, and the incredible choreographer Fatima Robinson, and as well as Lettucey. Listen to QLS on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's like the police knew who he was before they got here. From iHeart Podcasts. The medical school dean at USC was leading a secret double life.

Is she breathing right now? Yes, she's absolutely breathing. I'm a doctor, actually. A story about money, power, and corruption. When people fall in line, they fall in line. Looking back, I realized, oh, everyone do. I'm Paul Pringle, an investigative, oh, everyone knew.