Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - Michael Urie, Dream Gay Best Friend

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

Michael Urie of Shrinking and Ugly Betty fame joined us and shared his storied career, from being booted from his Broadway debut to straight men discovering him in Shrinking. He laments the woes of auditioning and the awkwardness of announcing you went to Juliard. Plus, CaCee and Zach are watching Anatomy of a Lie and are enraptured by the national scandal. Zach and Donald debate how far is too far for Only Fans. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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have a podcast, or whatever you get your podcast, girl. Ooh, I know that's right. Hey guys, it's Zach Braff here. I just wanted to open the show and talk about merch because Donald and I always forget to talk about merch and Christmas is coming up and you know what your loved ones want and you know what you want more than anything really is some good old fake doctors, real friends merch. Most appropriately for Christmas, there's a Christmas ornament of me riding Donald, eagle style, not any other style.

Me riding Donald, it's a beautiful ornament. And I'm gonna tell you about everything else on here real quick. What you do is you go to cottonbureau.com and then just search for fake doctors. Cottonbureau.com and then search for fake doctors. There's wrapping paper with our faces on it. There's a beach towel.

There's a washcloth, because you know we like to talk about washcloths. There's three different t-shirts. There's a pop socket for your phone of me, Eagling Donald. Oh, this is really cool. For those of you who have to wear a badge to work, particularly in the medical profession

There's a badge holder with our faces on it that has one of those pullout things for when you have to swipe your badge On things I want one of those and I don't even have a place to wear a badge I see someone made a Queen Joelle t-shirt. I don't even know if that's through us or what but Others I see there's some like After-markety looking ones things, meaning we didn't make them. But anyway, there's cool stuff on here. Oh, also most importantly, there's a few of our legendary onesies left, but they're only

small and medium. If you happen to be a small or medium human being, you could get one of those limited edition onesies we made, which are pretty hilarious. That's it. Go check out this store. There's cool stuff for your Christmas gift giving season and Hanukkah and Kwanzaa and any other holiday where you give presents. Okay, here's the show. I have a cold, Donald. I'm sorry. Listen, I'm going to tell you something. Guess what? I still love you even with your cold.

Let me tell you something. You might your cold. Let me tell you something You might know let me tell you something. Let me tell you something No, let me tell you something the worst time to be single ever is when you have a cold. Nobody's taking care of me I'm sorry, I got a leaf blower next door that I really want to go talk to mr. Leaf blower and say bro Not today I'm sick. I'm irritable and your leaf blower So talk to Mr. Leaf Blower and say, bro, not today. I'm sick. I'm irritable. And your leaf blower, I believe the law is in LA, you have to switch to electric. It's time.

Well, electric, if you could smell it, it's a bad idea. Smell it. It's so loud. Everyone's just blowing the leaves to each other's property. I hate to tell you this, an electric leaf blower is leaves to each other's property. Back and forth. I hate to tell you, an electric leaf blower is gonna be really loud too. No, they're not that bad.

I have one. I know how loud that shit is. Listen, okay, I can combat the motherfucking gardener next door when they're blowing all the dust on me. I'm like, no, fuck you! Rrrrrrr! And that shit. I go outside and I see the neighbor's gardener

is just blowing the leaves onto my property And then the next day my guy comes and blows the leaves on his property It's a what do they call it? Danil a vicious cycle a Sisyphean task Yeah, or an or a burrow so snake eating itself But yeah, it could be a Sisyphean task is a system in the guy was pulling the rock up the hill Yeah, and that just comes or it could could be a Sisyphean task. Is a Sisyphean the guy where he's pulling the rock up the hill? Yeah. And that just comes back down. Or it could just be a vicious cycle. So when you get sick, does your wife, like, take care of you and make you soup

and tell you she loves you and rub your back? No, she's like, get the fuck away from me. Oh, that sounds that sounds not worth it. It's not. I got no but. Back in the day when we were first starting out, absolutely. But once the kids got there, it was like, nah, you're not, if you're not a sick child, I don't wanna hear it. So when you have a cold, you don't get any extra love

and any back rubs, any, I got you babies. No, I get the don't fucking touch me. Wow, okay. You're sick. But she likes to get cuddled when she, that's the only time, that's when I know she's sick, when she's like, uh, uh, and she's trying to, tries to cuddle up.

Yeah, that feels like me right now. I'm like, are you sick? Yeah, that's like me. If I was at your house right now, that's what I'd be trying to do. That's what you'd be trying to do. I'd be like, what are you sick? Give me a little, give me You're trying to do I'd be like what do you say? Give me a little give me a little big spoon What are you sick or something? You see that funny cartoon that guy drew of us on Instagram?

What is it what you can take my head? I think you want me kissing your head. Yeah, it's so funny I want that on merch except I don't like my nose. He really he really did a number on my nose I like that as a picture in the house piece. Yeah. I think if you could get him to reconsider my nose, I might like it on merch. He should print it like 30 times and see how much he can get.

One for 30, two for 30, three, you know, like that. He should do that. 30 prints. I would like him to talk, I would just like to give him some notes on my nose first before he does his limited edition prints. Dude, it's a cartoon, man. Look at the size of my forehead.

Come on. I know, but can you draw me with a big nose and not have it be that bad? So vain. I'm so vain that I'm like analyzing my nose on a caricature. On one of the like on street art character to you can't. It's funny, though, that is a caricature caricature to I finally got Casey to be texting me again because I

Found a good show for us to watch a good. What are you guys watching through crime? My trick this is my trick with the fazons. I've given up on Donald. He's not a good text friend I don't watch TV. No, you also just like you don't reply and yeah, I do I reply haha Oh, yeah, the DMs you don't this This is what happens. I send Donald a funny DM. He doesn't even write, it's a meme. He doesn't even write LOL or heart it. He just reposts it on his shit, like he found it. Right.

All of my memes that I post, like if it's not stop motion animation, Zach probably sent it to me. Yeah, the way- And I look at it, but I look at it like, you sent it to me because you're look at it like you sent it to me because you're like, I can't post this, but you can post this.

No, they're not all like that. Some of them, well, first of all, you post more crazy shit than I post online shit. I just send them to you to make you laugh. The only way I know that you laughed is that you re-post them on your Instagram. Now you have a horrible text chat game. Well, with Casey, the trick with her, because she's got a lot going on with Instagram. Now you have a horrible text chat game. Well, Casey, the trick with her,

because she's got a lot going on with them kids and you, is I get her into a good true crime show, and then we text back and forth like, can you believe what she's doing? Last night at like 11, last night at like 11.30, she's texting me, oh, I'm moving on to episode two, I'm so mad at this bitch.

I'm like, Casey, I'm going to bed. That sounds like my. Oh, I'm going to read these texts. I'm going to read these texts in the morning. So that's what you guys were watching. She didn't make it. Hold up. Hold up. Hold up. Hold up. Zach, what show is this? Oh, shit. It's called It's So Fucked Up.

Hold on. I forget that we're on. I forget that we're on TV now. She's not dressed, so never mind. Oh, perfect. Zach, I love you. She passeded out she didn't make it she didn't make she didn't make She didn't make it through five minutes into the second episode. I walked in there. She's like shit. I fell asleep again Well, this is on television. So you got to remember that what's it called? Well, the titties is nice. Are you naked? What's it called? Well, good to see.

Well, them titties is nice. I like that. Are you naked? Is she naked? No, she's not naked. I have a shirt on, but I don't have a bra on. And you know I have gigantic tits. And they're not gigantic, but they are nice.

Well, our viewers could use a little eye candy. Why are you framing yourself out? What is that? No, I'm right here. I'm looking in the thing. Well, give us a little something. Hi. Okay. Whoa, them titties. Blur it. Blur it.

Blur them titties. Wait, Casey, what's the name of the show? I forgot it. It's called... Anatomy of Lies. Anatomy of Lies. What a crazy bitch. It's... I mean, can I... Let me just say something, Zach.

You and I watch so much stuff and nothing really surprises me or faces me. This, I'm so pissed off every 15 minutes of this show. Anatomy of Lies, it's on Peacock and it's a story of a Grey's Anatomy writer who turns out has been lying about having cancer for over a decade. And she does all these insane lies in her life

and basically steals people's stories and then puts them into Grey's Anatomy episodes and says that they happened to her. And they get crazier and crazier and crazier. And then they finally catch her when this woman whose life she was in- Well, I haven't finished. Sorry.

Haven't finished, I fell asleep. It was an insane- Shouldn't make five minutes into the second episode. I know, but I don't like to waste it all in one night. Basically it was insane- You was talking all this shit to him apparently? I'm going into the second, okay, geez. It was this insane Vanity Fair article.

And then, I guess Vanity Fair then turns it into a documentary. So it's only three episodes, audience. You gotta see this. It makes you scared to talk to humans that you don't know. Yeah. First of all, I don't want to ruin it. Yeah, don't spoil it for people. Well, I gotta say this one thing.

Go ahead. How fucked up... Again, I've only gotten through one episode. How fucked up was it when that co-writer confided in her about her story. Well, don't tell everyone. Yeah. Her co-writer confides in her something. Her co-writer at Grey's Anatomy confides in her this tragedy that happened to her. And then she basically takes the story and puts it into her own episode and acts like, well, not that exact story, but basically just acts like she came up with it. And it was her co-worker's private story.

I don't know. It gets crazier and crazier and crazier. By the way, you think you've seen crazy. You only seen episode one. I know. And you want wanna know something, Zach? Not to make this, not to sidetrack, but this shit, people are like this. I'm not gonna name any names,

but I had a friend, coworker or whatever, that took one of my childhood stories and turned around and told it on a talk show, like it was her own childhood story. Oh my God. People are crazy. I'm just scared of these people who like lie for just, I guess she was lying for attention or something.

No, they create their own reality. It even goes back to when she wrote the play in high school. Her parents show up to watch this play and the mom's like crying her eyes out because she's like, what the hell? This never happened. Yeah. I know somebody else. I know someone else who was dating someone. Casey, you're responsible for a lot of never happened. Yeah. Yeah. I know somebody else,

I know someone else who was dating someone. Casey, you're responsible for a lot of my jokes, sorry. I know someone who was dating someone and I think you know this story too, but his whole fucking life was a lie. Everything he said was a lie, everything. And she couldn't fathom that she had been living with this guy. And it's one of those things where all of a sudden she starts Googling and then fucking this comes in and this comes in and this. That's what

happens to the wife in this story is all of a sudden she starts going down a rabbit hole on Google and Twitter and Facebook and starts, it's like putting the pieces together. Like that movie, The Usual Suspects. And all of a sudden she's like, everything she's ever said is a fucking lie. It's insane, so scary. It's scary. I was texting with Casey last night.

She's like, I'm glad I'm married and not out there dating. I'm like, I'm just getting dog. Yeah, I'm just like, I'm gonna stay married forever. Seriously. out there dating. I'm like, I'm just gonna stay married forever. Seriously, you put your husband back on. Because we got to get one there. All right, we got to get going. OK, OK. Let me one of the crazies.

I am crazy for what? Free the amazing. Yeah, you married well, dude. You're so lucky. You're so lucky. Hey, this is on TV Why did she show I didn't see I'm glad she showed her nipples and everything She's really titties. She shook her titties in the camera audience. You're so lucky. We're not blurring that Zach I'll send you the video. Yeah

She said we need a fallback if the podcast takes. What's the fallback that she becomes an OnlyFans girl? I guess she's an OnlyFans. Would you be okay if money were tight if Casey started OnlyFansing? What's she showing? Everything. Is it, well.

You can be the man though. But I know, but then everybody would know it's me. No, we can blur out your peep. You blur out my peep? What? It's not an OnlyFans if my peeps blurred. Oh, okay. I don't know.

I saw this woman on Instagram. I thought you'd blur off the face. I saw this woman on Instagram and she was dancing in a house. And she's like, I can't believe men pay me $10 a month and now I have this house. Yeah, that's how it works. Good for her.

What are you willing to do? You know what I mean? And what is, how far is taboo for you? Is too far for you? Is too far for you? You know what I mean? Well, I'm not going to show peep. My OnlyFans would be like me just kvetching like, oh my God.

You ain't making no money then. Do you want to see me just kvetch? Be like, oh, I got fucking my sore throat and got my tennis elbow. Everybody would be like this. Wouldn't make $10 a month. I paid money for this shit. Show me that dick. If you go on OnlyFans and you're not showing nudity, I know people do, but like sort of misleading, right?

Yeah, I mean, it's what, look, OnlyFans was made so that, you know what? Maybe this is how I raise money for my stop motion short. Maybe I just go and show my dick a couple of times. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't know how much you'd make, but I would definitely, I'd subscribe. So is that how it works?

You need to have the subscription. Then you subscribe for a month, and then there's special features you gotta pay extra for. So if I subscribe, you might just be like, doing like a turnaround, looking at me like Nautily. With butthole? Like with my butthole? No, no, no, no, no, no.

That's just like, this is just like baseline stuff. You're just like giving me some flirty smiles. You're not showing the shaft for just a subscription. Then you come on and you're not showing the shaft for just a subscription. Then you come on and you're like, hey, wanna see my balls? 20 bucks. And then I'm like, yeah, I wanna see them balls. So I paid the 20 bucks.

That's how it works. Listen, I'm not gonna show my balls until I get to $2,000. I don't think that's the way it works. I think you say like, you know, for 20 bucks I'll show one ball, for 40 bucks you'll see two balls. So, but.

For 100 bucks I'll stick this fucking lightsaber in me. In me, really? Well, people are gonna want you to perform. You can't just do nothing. Can I, wow. I could be, this could be a decent way for you to fund your stop motion movie though. Yeah, it could be a decent way.

It might ruin your acting career and certainly would fuck up our T-Mobile campaign. Definitely, I think we'd lose both, but, but. You'd have to choose, you can't have both. The money. Think about the money, Zach. Yeah, I don't think you're going to make that much. I think it's a niche market.

Fuck you, dude. Fuck you, dude. My ass is fucking beautiful. My asshole is beautiful. I'm sure there's a lot of... You don't know what the people... How do people feel about it? I'm sure there's a lot of gay men that would be intrigued.

And straight women. I don't know how many straight women want to see your balls for money, but maybe I can. Daniel, what are your thoughts? Survey says, survey says. It's certainly possible. Daniel, how many money do you think you can... There's 100 women out there. Yeah, I wish we could do a survey. How many of them? Let's do a survey. Carmen? I think there's plenty of people? Carmen? What's that? I'm sure there's plenty of people who would want to see Donald's balls. Yeah. No, he's saying there's no women that want to see my balls.

No, I'm sure some. Women or people? I'm sure there's... No, no, no. He said no women. I'm sure they're saying there are women. I'm sure for 10 boxers women would be like, I'm curious. He said only gay men would want to see my balls.

I'm sure there are women as well. Yeah, but Daniel, what do you think the biggest percentage of the pie chart would be gay men? I think the biggest pie chart would be straight Scrubs fans, man. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha That's probably true. That's probably true. And I'm one of them. Is Michael Urie here? Yes he is. So gather round to hear our, gather round to hear our, squelch rewatch your wizard and donno. Mm-hmm.

Yay! Well, hello. Well, hello. Hi. Hi, you guys. My wife, the first thing she said to me, make sure you tell Michael I said hello, because I guess I was inebriated.

I don't know if you remember, but I guess we spoke a lot at Christmas birthday party. We had like deep conversation, or maybe you two did, and I was just standing there like this. Ah. Ah. Ah.

Ah. Ah. Ah. I think we did talk a little bit. I definitely talked to your wife more, but I sort of Irish goodbye right after that. Michael, Yuri, I'm so excited you're here. I have to confess to you something. I didn't watch Ugly Betty. I didn't know how fucking funny you were until I met you on the set of Shrinking. And I think you are so fucking hilarious and talented. That is your introduction to the show.

That means a lot. Thank you. I didn't expect you to watch Ugly Betty. You're a straight guy. Really? Is that most of the audience? Was Ugly Betty for the ladies in the gays? Thank you. I didn't expect you to watch ugly Betty. You're a straight guy. Really is that Was ugly Betty for For the ladies in the gays I got I would get all the time when that show was on I would get the only straight people That would come up to me would say my wife loves you or my daughter loves you Now straight guys come up to me all the time because of shrinking straight guys Love you now because you're like the dream gay best friend like I have with Donald

Wait, so what was ugly better just take us back what was ugly ugly Betty was your big break I take it right Oh, yeah, let's go back before that. Okay, Donald go back. Let's start at the very beginning By the way, we finally have someone who appreciates musicals as much as we do on the show, Donald. I'll get every reference. You'll get, he'll get every reference. Bring him. Oh yeah, well, what about this one? What was that?

Bringing the noise, bringing the fun. Motherfucker! Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit! He's fucking good! Was that really... Was that actually a piece of tap from bringing the noise? I was trying to imitate a piece of tap from bringing the noise and bringing the fun. In my world it was like the actually accurate tap from bringing the noise.

And Michael was like, oh yeah, that's in the second act. Oh, that's so funny. Do you know that I what I got arrested, I got arrested for smoking pot in the street once and that's a long story. But the punch line was that my friend, I got arrested with a friend who who was working at the public theater and they ended up getting us out. The public theater ended up getting us out much faster than we would have. And when they went to thank George C. Wolf and everybody at the public for getting us

out, they said, yeah, we had Savion Glover here. So we're used to this. Oh my God. Yo, dude, who, listen, this isn't, and this isn't news or anything like that. The audience, they were smoking so much in that theater. And this theater is like at the bottom of a hotel or a big ass building.

They were smoking so much weed in the dressing room when they were doing noise funk, that the audience could smell that shit in the fucking auditorium. That's how much weed they were smoking noise funk, that the audience could smell that shit in the fucking auditorium. That's how much weed they were smoking before the show. Like my mom, I remember my mom said, I went and saw noise funk last night, and let me tell you something, it was loud in there.

Meaning the weed! That's what happens at Months Upon a Mattress too. Yeah. Michael, did you used to go see, now what was your introduction to theater and Broadway? Did you used to go see the shows as a kid? Well, I'm from Texas, so I would see the tours in Dallas. I didn't come to New York until I was, I guess I was 17, right after I graduated high school,

I came on a school trip with my soon to be community college. But we would go to the big, big music hall at Fair Park in Dallas, which is at the big state fair. And it was the tour. So we'd see the tour of Phantom and Cats and Les Mis, but occasionally they would send in some big stars, like Jerry Lewis came through and Dan Yankees, and Tommy Toon came through in a show called Busker Alley

that ended up not coming to Broadway, but it was so exciting to see Tommy Toon. And then they brought in Ralph Macchio in How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying. That's awesome. And it was so good. He was playing the Matthew Broderick part. And Roger Bart, who is now a big Broadway star,

he's in Back to the Future now, and he's been in A Million Things, he was playing the villain, Bud Frump. And I remember seeing that show and being completely blown away and thinking that I want that part. I want Bud Frump, because Roger Bart was so good. And I'm not really a singer, and I could that part. I want Bud Frump because he was, Roger Barr was so good. And it was, and I'm not really a singer and I could, I thought I could sing that. I could do that.

And I ended up getting to do that was the first Broadway show I ever did was How to Succeed in Playing that Role. So I sort of like, like chased that all the way. Amazing. So wait, when you got it, you know how that is. When you get it, doesn't it feel like it's gratifying to finally get to that point? Cause like you got there, but then afterwards,

when after you were done, was it like, all right, now what do I do? What's next? What's gonna be, what's gonna be next for me? It is weird when you have like a dream like that and it comes true. Like, like how do you, I was just thinking about this idea of like dream roles or like, you know, having these...

Because what we do is something we like. And like our work is also our love. And so it's this sort of trap where you fall in love with something and say, oh, I want that. I wanna do that. I wanna be want that, I wanna do that, I wanna be in that, or I wanna play that part. And if it doesn't come to you, it doesn't happen.

It's so sad, so much sadder than if it's a role that you don't really care about or a job that you don't really care about. And I was so lucky to have that. But I also, when I got, so this is a crazy story, actually. I ended up getting to do that show on Broadway. And it was my Broadway debut, but I was supposed to open it. It was a revival with Daniel Radcliffe playing the lead. And I was

supposed to be in it from the beginning. And for like six months, I had this part, I'd done a workshop, and I chased it, and I got it. And, and for six months, I had this part. And then all of the sudden they said one of the rights holders wasn't there that day and you have to come and re-audition. Oh my god. So it was like somebody's son who wrote the show, their parents wrote the show, they suddenly decided they needed to weigh in and I lost the job.

No. What? Yeah. So I, yeah, sorry. So the director and all the producers and everybody wants you and you've done the workshop and you're, and you're set to go. And then one of the children of the rights holders says note about you. Yeah. Said no to me. And so I lost the job and it was devastating.

I found out I was getting on a plane to go to the UK and do this, a little movie and like the fringe festival. I had this whole cool like UK summer planned and then I was going to get back and go into rehearsal for my Broadway debut. And suddenly it was like, it was taken from me. Oh my God. That's horrible. But guess who it was?

Oh, it's so, so the guy who wrote, the people who wrote how to succeed in business are Frank Lesser and Abe Burroughs and Frank Lesser's widow Joe Lesser had approved me but Abe Burroughs son is James Burroughs. The famous sitcom director. The famous sick the guy who Jimmy Burroughs Jimmy Burroughs the guy who directed Cheers and friends All friends and and Will and Grace and Frazier and all of the great stuff all the greats Wow He's he's the guy he yeah, so that must have been a mindfuck for you It wasn't it was like it wasn't just like somebody's kid. It was a famous director

It was like a yeah Like a name I had seen over and over and over again my entire life and somebody I had Aspired to work for and it was really really hard and really devastating. How did you get over that? I mean Yeah, that's hurting me. That's hurting my heart as a fellow actor right now. It was really hard In fact, there's a there's a shoe sign shoe shine stand in JFK that I sat in and cried when I found out. Cause I was on my way to the UK and I sat in this shoeshine stand and cried. And I still see it from time to time when I'm at JFK and I think, oh my gosh, that's where.

So yeah, I was devastated. That's where it began, dude. That's where the freaking action began. I drive by the Ralph's where I would buy the footlong sandwiches for lunch and dinner and I go Remember you Ralph's I bet you that footlong don't hit like it used to know bro. I don't need them Ralph's footlongs anymore Jimmy burrows wishes he could hire Michael Urie now Donald Jimmy Burrows like Jimmy Burrows is like, Jimmy Burrows is like, this motherfucker went from,

like, hold up, you got a story, so I'm gonna let you say it. Well, well, I ended up working with Jimmy. I got a job that Jimmy was doing. I got a series that Jimmy directed, and I didn't bring it up, I never brought it up. He knew I was in the show, because I, so anyway, later, later on, the show ran for a year.

Who got your part? This guy, this great guy named Christopher Hanke. And it wasn't like it was between us. It was, I was mine to lose and I lost it. And then they went back and found this great actor, Christopher Hanke. And he did it with Daniel Radcliffe. They did it for a year.

And then they decided to keep it going with some new actors. Nick Jonas and Beau Bridges came in and they said, you're in. And I was like, what about Jimmy Burroughs? And they're like, we don't care. We're not even asking him this time. And I got to do it. And it was my Broadway debut and it was an amazing experience. It was fabulous.

And while I was doing it, I got a pilot for Max Muchnick and David Cohen. And it was directed by Jimmy Burroughs. And I got the audition and I was like, guys, why I can't audition for this, Jimmy Burroughs hates me. I can prove it, he hates me. And I lost this job. And they said, no, no, no, just go, just go, just audition. And I got it.

And I was too scared to mention it to him. I never mentioned it to him, but he knew I was in the show and he asked me about it. So we talked about the show, and he talked about like the history of the show, but he never brought up that. That's so awkward. But I mean, I understand.

I wouldn't have brought it up either. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah. What are you gonna say? Yo, you fired me, bro. What are you gonna say? What are you gonna say? You made me cry in a JFK shoe shine box?

Yeah, I'll show you next time we're there. Yeah, hey Jimmy, go get your shine box. Yeah. Yeah. But I love Jimmy. I mean, I loved him so much. I had the best time working with him. I don't love Jimmy now.

Jimmy came to visit the Scrub Set. Do you remember that, Donald? Oh, wow. No, I don't remember it at all. He is, his kids and I assume he loved it and they came and had assume he loved it and and They came and had a tour one day and we were all like, oh my god, it's Jimmy Burroughs you know the only time I've ever gotten fired from something was Will and Grace and Freaking he was directing my god, and that's the one time I ever got fired

I didn't even make I got to the table read and then to the first day of rehearsal and And by the end of the first day of rehearsal, I was out of there. I was fired. Wow. What were you doing? Did they tell you what they didn't like about you, what you were doing? No, they didn't say anything. I just got fired. I was supposed to be the love interest with Debra Messing, and she was never even on set

with me. So, I never even had to... We never even had the opportunity to create any type of chemistry or anything. And when you saw Dulé Hill do it, how did you feel? Well, you know, it was Donald Glover who got, no, was it Dulé Hill? I don't know. At that point, I was like, oh, well, fuck Will and Grace then. I'll never watch this show ever again.

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That's real. Like that's not a typo. You went to Juilliard. No, I really real. Like that's not, that's not a typo. You went to Juilliard. No, I really did. Okay, now let me ask you a question. Wait, how come I can't fucking finish my question? Because I was a statement. Let me tell you how I do my interviewing.

There's a statement and then he acknowledges it and then I go in for a question. Okay, go for it. I thought that was your question because it didn't sound like a statement. I was starting a new paragraph. It sounded like you said now you went to Juilliard and then he said, yeah, I went to was your question. Cause it didn't sound like a statement. No, mine was just, I was starting a new paragraph. It sounded like you said, now you went to Juilliard. And then he said, yeah, I went to Juilliard. Right. And that was the question.

And then don't you think I'm gonna fucking say something now? I don't know, go ahead. Dickhead. Michael, you went to Juilliard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Was that, what was that like? And did you enjoy your experience? Do you feel it's contributed to you being so successful as you are? Well, I had a really good experience. Not everyone does, but I had a really, really good experience. It was really right for me, the age that I was. I was a sponge and just wanted all the information and all the, to learn everything. And I was, I was encouraged to audition by somebody.

I was going to this community college and I was perfectly happy that I had shitty grades in school and I didn't think I had what it takes to be an actor. So I was at this community college, still trying to figure it out. And somebody said, you should audition for Juilliard. And I was like, really? They were serious.

They were like, no, you really should. That place is for you. And so I did. That's the only school I auditioned for, for, you know, like conservative training, conservatory training. Conservative training. That's where I learned how to be a conservative. Yeah.

No, conservatory training. I didn't go audition anywhere else. And I got in. I mean, I auditioned and I got in and then suddenly I had to move to New York and get a bunch of student loans and figure out how to be a New Yorker. But the second I stepped foot in New York, I felt like I was at home. I was like, this is where I belong. And the school was exactly what I wanted.

It was very rigorous. You're in class all day and night. And I lived at the dorm the first year, and I lived nearby the other years. And you become like a family. You're classmates, and you become like a family. And you do everything together. You eat and study and rehearse and take class together. And it was great.

Was it very competitive? Did you, when you were there, did you feel like, oh my God, some of these people are fucking brilliant and I aspire to be that good, or did you feel like, wow, I respect my peers, but I think I might be pretty good? What was your heads' pace? Oh, interesting. That's an interesting question. Because it's not actually competitive when you're there, because you don't audition once you're there. Once you're there, they give you the parts,

and you just get placed and things. So it's pretty well, it's pretty even. Everybody kind of has a lot to do. And then at the end, in the fourth year, it starts to like when agents start to come and people get jobs and stuff, it starts to get a little bit weird. But I definitely, I definitely thought,

I didn't think I was among the best, but I thought I got why I was there. I was like, oh, I see why I'm part of this group. Because it's not necessarily, how do I say this delicately? It's not like the best actors in the world. It's the actors that fit the Juilliard training and that could be good theater actors and could be viable theater actors. So like occasionally a movie star, somebody with movies,

like when I was there, Jessica Chastain was in my class and she was like pretty clearly a movie star. Like we could tell, she was also amazing at theater. She's good at everything. But then there are other actors that are like, oh, totally theater actors. They're meant for the theater. They could be in any Shakespeare play and they could do all that. And while I was there, Oscar Isaac, he was two years behind, two or three years behind me. And

that was when he came. That's when I was like, Oh, that is a movie star. He's got that star quality. But that's not really what they're about necessarily. Sometimes they get in, sometimes those kinds of people get in, but it's really about making you like a chameleon in the theater and being able to do all kinds of different theater check-off. Oh, so you feel it's more theater based than sort of screen acting. Yeah, we do very little of that. They do it more now, I think. When I was Yeah, we do very little of that.

They do it more now, I think. When I was there, we did very little. You guys are a lot in television. There's a lot of you guys in television too. Yeah, yeah, they've gotten, there used to be a thing when you got out of Juilliard where everyone in the business poo-pooed you. They said you're gonna need three years

to get rid of the Juilliard thing before you're a real actor. So that's what it is. And I think now it's a little bit different. I think they're better about giving you classes. In fact, at the end of school, there's like a showcase where you do scenes for agents and managers and stuff. And up until my class, they only did them in New York. And then Jessica Chastain lobbied the school

to have us do our showcase in LA. And we were the first class to do that. Oh, wow. And so we all got LA agents too, and met LA casting directors. And ever since then, they all do that. So I think the school has evolved some, but when I was there, it was really like about,

about doing theater, about going, you know, like trying to be in regional theater, doing Shakespeare, doing Chekhov, things like that. So that's why all Juilliard graduates, when you ask them, yo, so what school did you go to? And they go, Juilliard. The response is so hesitant. It's always the hesitant, what kind of person,

you gonna be an asshole about this, or you gonna be cool about this? Wait, what do you mean, because you think, Donald, because you think, what do you mean, I don't understand. Well, Juilliard is such a prestigious school for actors, you know what I mean? And so when you meet someone that went to Juilliard, it's like, oh shit, you were able to get,

first of all, all of us auditioned for Juilliard. If you really fucking, let's keep it 100. I didn't, I didn't. Really? Well, most people I know that were into acting, they auditioned for Juilliard and didn't get in and then didn't say anything to anybody else about it. I auditioned for that shit. I didn't get in. I keep it to myself.

It's like motherfuckers audition for the Mickey Mouse club, didn't get in and didn't tell anybody, I auditioned for the Mickey Mouse club too. You know what I'm saying? But when you meet people that went, like when I meet somebody that went to Juilliard, the first thing I think of is, do you think you're better than me because you went to Juilliard?

Or are you fucking an actor who's out here trying to make it happen like everybody else? That's the first thing, right? The second thing I think is, is my response gonna turn you off so much that you're now freaking, you have your guard up against me because you're afraid of how I'm gonna respond

to the prestigious school that you went to. And so, you know what I mean? That's kind of, the way you, that ladder, the ladder is kind of how I always feel. I always feel a little bit embarrassed to say that I went to Juilliard because it's like, it is prestigious, it was amazing, it did set me up for so much,

but like a lot of the people that I went to school with left the business. Like a lot of people don't make it, even at Juilliard. And, you know, or like, the tricky thing about Juilliard is like, because it's Juilliard, people don't, people often don't pivot. And I think, you know, I think there's so many ways you can be in this business besides being on screen

or on stage. And I think that if I hadn't made it as an actor, I would have pivoted, I would have done something else. I would have become a, you know, like, you know, a producer or something. Yeah, that's what I would say pivoted, I would have done something else. I would have become a producer or something. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say about my experience is that I just wanted to work in film and TV and theater. And if I couldn't find a way to make a living as an actor, I was gonna do some other job in production,

on set, backstage, something. I just like being in the space of it all. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think some people from Juilliard, they think, gosh, I should be an actor because I went to Juilliard and I can't do anything else. It can mindfuck you is what you're saying.

It could totally mindfuck you because of that, because of the prestige behind it and stuff like that. Do you remember your audition, Donald? I did some bullshit, yeah. Did you do your dance from Bring in the Noise, Bring in the Fun? No, I didn't. So look, I did, so when I was a kid,

my parents were in this play at the National Black Theater called The Ritual or something like that. And it was based on pretty much Earth and the people of Earth, right? And there was a small paragraph in the play and I would go around and I did it everywhere. I did it from junior high school all the way to like, I didn't go to college, but for every audition I went out for high school and for college, I did this audition.

It didn't get, I didn't get much of it, but it was what if we did not come from Africa, but to Africa? Think about that. What if we did not come from Africa, but to Africa? What if a million years ago, shit, I forgot it. Well, we weren't, we weren't going to ask you to perform the monologue.

Anyway, it's literally, there's only like, there's literally only two more lines to it. What if a million years ago... That was the whole edition? Pretty much. Oh, bro, you should have had me coach you. I mean, I don't think that's going to get you anywhere. Motherfucker, it didn't get me into anything. Michael Urie's going in there like to be or not to be And you're like, what if we didn't come from Earth?

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. It's a rain teaser. Right. Exactly. And so it worked on some things. It worked for certain auditions. But when they were looking for substance and stuff, they were like, motherfucker, come on, be like, I bet it worked on this. I bet it worked on this.

You haven't gone for a while. That's Donald and a Fol come on, B. I bet it worked on this. I bet it worked on this. You haven't gone for a while. That's Donald in a Folgers commercial, Michael. It didn't work on that one either. But. Did you just do that or did you have another? No, that was it. Like that was pretty much it. I'm pretty cocky of you to go in with just that.

I didn't know. I didn't know any better. It's like coming out to Los Angeles. If you're not prepared, you, you could freaking fall apart here. Like so, you know, Michael, you got on the line. Your publicist was on the line to protect you and stuff like that.

That's a fucking, you were prepared for this, for this podcast today. When I came out to LA, I wasn't prepared. I wasn't prepared for any of this shit. I came out here on a whim. I made some money. Let's fucking go. You know what I mean? I didn't, I didn't know the business. I didn't know any of that. So that's how it goes. It's hard to learn. The business part of acting is way easier than the business. That's well said. I agree. Well done. Well done.

It's a hard thing to figure out this business. Still, I still don't understand it. Yeah, but now we have, but now we have people that are in our lives to support us and stuff like that. And you can always tell, oh, you're not really, and we now have the power, the autonomy to say to motherfuckers, yo, you're not really for me.

You can go, I'm gonna find somebody else. You know what I mean? When you first get out here, you don you're not really for me. You can go, I'm gonna find somebody else. You know what I mean? When you first get out here, you don't have that type of power. You don't have that type of control of your career like that where you can say, you know what? Fuck you, man, you don't see my vision. And then be like, yeah, you know what?

You're right, I don't see your vision. I'm gonna move on to something else. You get kicked out of the business for shit like that. I agree with you, Michael, that acting is, when you finally get a job and you get to act, it's sort of the easiest part. It's navigating all the other mischigas and bullshit and trying to keep the thing going that's the hard part.

Yeah, and like auditioning and wanting. You know what, Zach? There is a line reading in Garden State when you say to George C. Wolf, wait, is it to George, he's your boss at the restaurant. Yeah, George C. Wolf, for those of you who don't know, is a very, very famous theater director. He used to run the Public Theater,

he's now a film director. And he gave me my very first part in Macbeth after Northwestern at the public show he was directing. And so when I made Garden State, I said, will you do a cameo as the manager of the restaurant where I worked? He's so good at that too. He's so funny.

He's the one, for those of you listening, and recall, he's the one who's holding up the headshots of the people that are gonna get my job if I'm late one more time. What were you gonna say though? But there's a, it's not him. It's somebody else asks you what you're up to. I forget who it is, maybe it's Jackie Hoffman.

Somebody in your life is like, so what's going on, what are you up to? And you say, you know, auditioning, something like that. And it was the truest thing I had ever seen. I remember, because I was probably doing that when I saw the movie. I was probably like, you know, saying that exact thing to people

when they said, what are you up to? And I remember thinking that, that is the most authentic line read an actor has ever given. That was my truth. I was, it was method acting. Yeah, it was. But so, so Michael, when you get out to LA, how long were you out here before you got Ugly Betty?

How did that come about? Well, I got Ugly Betty in New York, actually. So I got it at Juilliard in 03, and I stayed, and I tried to get, and I thought, oh, I'll be in every Shakespeare play, and that's what I'll do. I'll go be in regional theaters, and I wasn't getting it. I got a little bit of that but it was like I was doing like basement stuff and good work, really cool work but I was working in, I wasn't getting

you know the Shakespeare parts I thought I was going to get. I wasn't getting you know regional theater. I wasn't even getting appointments for stuff like that and I would get a commercial here and there. And then I was doing a play in a basement, this really cool Jacobean tragedy called the revengeors tragedy. And I was playing a character that was the version we were doing, I was playing this very like kind of evil David Bowie looking kind of a guy and. And the great casting director, Will Cantler, came and saw me and I knew him. I think he'd cast me in a commercial. And he stopped me in the lobby afterwards

and said, you were great. And I was like, great, okay. And I filed that away. And I was getting the breakdowns illegally back then. You could get on a list or whatever and get the breakdowns. And I saw that Will breakdowns illegally back then, you know, you could like get on a list or whatever and get the breakdowns. And I saw that Will Cantler was casting this pilot and there was a one line description for this character,

bitchy gay assistant. And I was like, You're like, I can do this. I can do that. And I told my people, you know, my agent, my manager at the time, my agent, my manager, at the time I was like, Will Cantler likes me. And I think he just saw me do something kind of like this.

And I bet I could get this appointment. At that time I was like, I bet I could get an audition. And at the time they were like, we don't want you to do this because it was a co-star. You know, like not a guest star, not a series regular, it was a co-star and they didn't want me to do it. And what is the difference? Well, co-stars like no money and no, no, you know,

it's like guest star gets- You were a co-star meaning you'd be in every episode, but you weren't gonna get paid like a rec series regular. No, no guarantee of every episode. Just like in fact, the idea was that my so I was Vanessa Williams assistant. And the idea was that she was such a tyrannical boss. She had a new assistant every episode.

And I was fine. I was like, whatever, I just want this job. I think this is a job I can get. I need the money. I need a job. And and and they wanted I was like, whatever. I just want this job. I think this is a job I can get. I need the money. I need a job. And they wanted to aim higher. They were like, you should try to be a series regular. You should try to be at least a guest star. This is terrible money. We won't make any commission, blah, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, you're like, I need the fucking money. And they're like, no, we're going to hold out for you to get a lead. It's like, bro, I need money. And I was like, I could get this. This is a job I could get. I feel like this is, and so they finally got me the appointment and I had a couple of auditions and then I got it and I showed up on set and Vanessa Williams was completely awesome. And she, I had this idea that my character

was obsessed with her, so I was always blocked right behind her, and I would just kind of like be her. I would do anything she did, so she would turn, and I would turn, and she didn't know I was doing it. And somebody, like somebody, a makeup artist or a costume designer, or some costume person said, they took her aside and they were like, you know what that queen's doing behind you?

She was like, what? I said, he's like doing you. He's like mocking you behind you. Oh no. And she came over to me and she's like, I hear you're doing me behind me. And I was like, I'm fired, fuck, I'm fired. And I said, yeah, I am.

And she goes, that's great. What else can I do that you can do? Oh my God. And so then suddenly I'm pitching her physical moves. She's smart. And then she's like, stand closer, you'll be in the shot. She like knew what the shots were. I didn't know what the shots were.

She was like, if you stand closer, you'll be in the shot. And by the end of the pilot shoot, they brought me in to be in the cast photo. So, and then they decided not to have her have a new assistant every week, and I was in every episode. That's amazing. I know.

That's her. It says a lot about her character. Yeah, and she's very, very smart. She can recognize the talent and say, all right, look, well, let's run with what you got. Because if you have fresh ideas. Someone was trying to make her threatened by it, where she was like, no, that's a good bit, let's lean with what you got. Because if you have fresh ideas. Someone was trying to make her threatened by it where she was like, no, that's a good bit.

Let's lean into it. Let's go, let's go, yeah. That's great. You think about actors who would be too insecure to do something like that or think like, no, that story's about me, not about us. Or be judged, or just take the gossip as gospel and just go, oh, he's fucking with you.

Like that's not what he's doing at all. Right. Right. No, he's trying to do his own thing. Good for you though for finding an angle though, cause you gotta find an angle. Always. Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah. That was, I was, I was just going for it.

I was like, whatever, whatever I can do. I'm going to make a million choices. I'm going to, you know, try to, try to, try to make it, make a mark and, And how long did the show go? We did four years, four seasons. It was a really amazing experience. And a lot of us on that show were brand new.

There was several of us who'd not done anything. And then we had a few people like Vanessa Williams and Tony Plana who played Betty's dad, and Judith Light, who were these vets that were incredible. And there were no two of us that were the same. Like it was one of those shows, like Shrinking, where there's nobody alike on the show. So there's no competition at all ever. We were always like totally a family. And it was right away a hit. It was like a really popular show right away,

like kind of tapped into something that people wanted to see at the time. And America won all the awards. And because we had Judith and Tony and Vanessa, who had all been through so many shows, you know, they had all done shows and had lots of experience in Hollywood and doing showbiz. They made sure we knew how special it was

and none of us ever took it for granted. And it was really happy, a really happy set. And we were doing cool work, you know? I mean, I had this amazing episode where I came out to my mom, Patti LuPone played my mom, and I had been in the closet to her, and I came out to her, and she didn't accept me,

and she turned her back on me, and it was really powerful, and it made a big deal. I mean, I just got a tweet just the other day from someone saying, Ugly Betty helped me come out of the closet, and it went well. And people are still, it's still doing that. So you must have made a big difference for a lot of people

who were looking up to that character. I think, yeah, I think it was really good writing and a character that, he was mean on the show, but then when they let me have, you know, a personal life, you saw that there was something underneath that. And I think that sort of disarmed people. They thought, oh, this is a funny, you know, bitchy mean guy. And then like, oh, actually, that's that's cover for what, you know, what has been hurting him all these years.

And it really is a blessing. It really is a blessing, man. When you really look at it, it's like, you just wanted to audition because, you know, I think I could do that shit. I think I could do that. But then it turns into, oh, this is setting you up for a nice fucking career, man.

A night, this is setting you up for the experience that you were looking for. This is making you, making your dream come true. And all you were really trying to do is, I just want to get into pilot, to be honest with you. Yeah, absolutely. I would have been happy if that was it. I didn't expect it to get picked up.

I didn't expect them to keep me. And I just was like, great, I'll make my $3,000. And then I'll go back to my life and have a new credit on my resume. And then it changed my whole life. Totally changed my life. Let's take a break. We'll be right back after these fine words.

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Listen to Post Run High on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's talk about shrinking because I know about it. You guys kind of got to talk about it. Well, I want wanna talk about shrinking because this will air. I don't know when this will air, but the episodes of season two that I've directed

came out both this week and the next one, episode four comes out next week. And I know I'm biased because I work on the show, but I love the show. I'm such a genuine fan of the show. And Michael, I have to say, working with you, it's just so much fun. You make me laugh so much.

I love watching you, you know, vacillate between being extremely hilarious and silly to the serious dramatic stuff you get to do in episode four in particular. and silly to the serious dramatic stuff you get to do in episode four in particular. But I never asked you how it came about, how you got the part and what was the experience like. Well, first of all, thank you. And I just, I'm watching them in order this year.

I haven't, I've only seen the first three. I'm watching them as they air because I don't know why. That's just what my partner and I decided to do. But I just watched three. It's so good, Zach. Thank you. It's such my god. Those two back to back scenes where Luke and Lukita both lose their tempers was very upsetting.

It's so moving. And it was a really good episode. Yeah, and Four is a banger. Four is one of those special ones. Bill always gives me really good stuff because he trusts me and we have a history from me directing Scrubs where he would always give me sort of the big ones. And I love that when I come on Shrinking, but season one, episode eight was a really sort of special episode. And so I love that I get to do it.

But tell everyone your sort of origin Shrinking because it was a very, I'm sure everyone wanted this part with this cast, Harrison Ford and Jason Segal and everyone. Well, when I auditioned and I didn't know, I knew Jason was doing it. I didn't know Harrison was doing it. So I only knew that, you know, Bill, Jason and Brett, those three names. And that was very exciting to me. I had watched or was watching Ted Lasso,

and of course knew Jason's work. And I had met Jason one time, and he was very, you know, like at a weird big, you know, TV, CBS, something or other. And he was very nice to me. And I remember thinking, oh, well, he seems like a really good guy. And they sent me the pilot script or the first episode

I guess it wasn't a pilot. They sent me the first episode script, which my character is not really in you see him across the street But he's not really you're not in the pilot. I forgot that yeah, so I so the That script was so good And then I get this my sides were basically all of my scenes from the second episode, but I didn't get the second episode. So I see what this show is going to be like, which is funny and sad, and so good. And then I see this character that's going to show up later some somewhere later. And it's, you know, all these hilarious, hilarious scene, this scene

where I burst into his office and I chew him out. This scene where I'm pretending to be a real lawyer or pretending to be a criminal lawyer. And then the great moving scene where we were playing pickleball and we get into the fight and we say, I love you and all that stuff. So I was like, oh my gosh,

this guy has all of these things. And I knew I could tell based on the script. I was like, his motto is everything goes my way. He seems to be this plucky, happy, you know, happy, happy dude. But there's going to be something else. The other shoe will eventually drop. I can tell that they're not going to just have some surface character in here. And I didn't know anybody involved.

I had met Jason that one time, but you know, he wouldn't remember and didn't had never had never met anybody. And so it was just like this audition that came my way. And I made a tape in my room with Ryan, my partner read, read, read opposite me and sent it off. And, and I've gotten pretty good at forgetting about it. You know, you're like, make it, you sent it off. Was it a long time? This is after COVID, that's right, holy shit. So this is also the new wave of auditioning too.

Right. Was it a long time? Cause I always find it's frustrating when you do something and you're proud of the tape you put in and then it's one thing to be like, you're not of the tape you put in. And then it's one thing to be like, you're not right, they're gonna go with so-and-so. Or they're talking about it, they like it.

But then sometimes you just don't hear and you're like, I didn't even hear a negative or positive, it's been fucking a month. Right, yeah. It was that, it was that I didn't hear anything for a while. And I did kinda, I was busy, I was doing a play. So it was like I was keeping busy. And, you know, it was also such a good job that I sort of it's like it was easier to like.

When did Shrinking come back? When did when did Shrinking start? I mean, did it start? Yeah, it was Michael. I forgot that was probably because we two, I forgot that was probably cuz we too. I guess it was like spring of 22 maybe maybe winter into the spring of 2022 is when I auditioned. Were you doing plays before COVID happened also? Was that? Yeah, so I was doing a lot of plays after ugly Betty.

I came back to New York and did a ton of plays and I was, you know, I was able to get a lot into a lot better rooms and do some like serious cool work. Because you had had this success. Because I was on TV. Yeah. And so this play, this was a really cool play about William Shakespeare. My friend, Talin Monahan wrote this hilarious play for my partner and me. We read it during the pandemic. We did like on Zoom, we would read it and it was the idea was, and this is based on a true thing.

William Shakespeare wrote King Lear in quarantine during the Black Plague. So she wrote a play about it, a comedy about it, that he was like stuck in quarantine with an idiot apprentice from his theater company, and he wrote King Lear. And so that's what the play is, and it's so funny. So we were doing that play. And that's why I have a beard and shrinking, actually, is because I had a beard as William Shakespeare.

Yeah. Right. And they go, so when I got it, yeah. So I was preoccupied doing this play, and the job seemed, it was such a good job when I got it, yeah. So I was kind of preoccupied doing this play and the job seemed, it was such a good job that I was like, all right, that's a, if that happened, that would be more than amazing. So I'm just gonna pretend like it's not happening

and forget about it. And quite a while, I feel like it was like a month that went by and my agents were like, let's set up a call. We have an update about that show. It was called Pinch then, or that was the code name. Yeah. We have an update about Pinch. And I was like, okay, great.

Oh yeah, what's that about? Yeah, right, that show. Okay, cool. And we got on the phone, got on the phone with my reps and they were like, well, there's interest in Pinch, we'll get back to you. And I was like, oh, okay. And then we got on the phone and they were like, well, we really thought this was gonna go to a test deal.

And I was like, oh gosh, what happened? And they were like, well, they just offered it to you. Wow. Why'd they fake you out like that? I know, what kind of agency are you in? Fucking with you. The fucking agency. And so suddenly, I got this job.

Oh my god, that's awesome, man. It was such a... and I never met anybody. I didn't have to... and I thought I would have to read the Jason or something. So you got the part and you never even FaceTimed with Bill. No. He was just like him. No, I met Bill. He knew, he knew, he just knew. Yeah.

I remember I got to the table right. I would never cast somebody without talking to them. I mean, even if your audition was amazing, I would just want to see your personality and shoot the shit with you. But Bill was like, no, him. Nah, that's him. I wonder, I wonder.

You know, later I did find out, because at the time I didn't know, I didn't think I knew anybody involved. And then up until basically the first day, I thought I knew nobody on the show. But then it turned out Brian Gallivan, who, you know, Zach, is one of our one of the wonderful writers on the show. Yeah. I had done a pilot for him a few years earlier.

So I imagine that he vouched for me as like, you know, like not a dick. And, and, but. Well, everyone does recon. Right. You've certainly been in the business. Yeah. I was gonna say you've been in the business long enough. You have a reputation. Everybody knows what your reputation is. Yeah.

I'm sure they did. Everybody, everybody who's been doing this a little while does recon because they're like, all right, he's a good actor. What's his vibe like? Yeah. What's like and ruin my set with this diva attitude? And the first thing Bill said to me, well, to all of us was, well, it was for the tape. We've got there for the table read

and I met everybody for the first time. Hello, nice to meet you, Harrison Ford. Nice to meet you, Krista Miller. Nice to meet you, Jason Segal. And Krista said, my husband thinks you're very funny. And I was like, well, that's really good. And then we were at the door, we're about to go in for the table read and Bill came out

and that was the first time I met Bill. And he said, all right, nobody gets fired off my shows after table reads, just so you know, go in there and have a good time. And we did it. That's a lie, that's a total lie. No, it's not, who got fired? Who got fired? Nobody's ever.

Bill can't control if people get fired, even though he's the all powerful Bill Lawrence. If the network's like, nope, you get fired. I don't know. That does happen. The best advice we can give you is- Michael got the part on a tape audition, bro. Like, I don't know. I'm just saying, we have advised young actors on a tape audition, bro. Like, I don't know. I'm just saying, we have advised young actors

on this podcast before that when you make it to the table read, don't think auditioning's over. No, that is the final audition, right then and there. No, not even then. Not even then, right. Not even then. I learned my lesson on Will and Grace. One session comes on television, it's made it.

Listen, Bill's fired people that fucking shot three episodes and it's not working. Replace the character. So, you know. Yeah, I mean, I've been in sitcom run-throughs where people got fired or they do, like they do that thing where they're like, okay, the network is going to discuss everybody sequester yourselves in your dressing room and you have to like wait in there and find out if you're getting fired.

Ask Eric Stoltz about Back to the Future. Ask Charlie Sheen about two and a half men. That motherfucker did eight seasons and they're like, you know what? Too much. Wow, that was extenuating. We can't take it anymore. Eight seasons and they're like, you know what too much that was extenuating That was extenuating circumstances Seasons they made eight seasons out of it though. Who was the star of apocalypse now got replaced

Danone, you must know that who was by Martin Sheen the guy who was playing machine replaced him that? By who? By Martin Sheen? The guy who was playing that one? Martin Sheen replaced him. I forgot who was the lead. Dan McCallis. George C. Scott. George C. Wolf. George C. Montgomery. Yeah, it was George C. Wolf.

George C. Montgomery. George C. Wolf. George C. Wolf was the lead in, who was it? It was Harvey Keitel. Harvey Keitel. Harvey Keitel. There you go. There you go.

Wow. Yeah. Imagine walking around with that for a while. They shot a bunch of the movie. And Francis Ford Coppola was like, this isn't right and replaced them. Same thing happened to Eric Stoltz with Back to the Future. Yeah. There's some movie that Robert De Niro got fired from.

This is recently, like in the last 10 years, and he didn't know his lines or something and the director had a long shot, like a pan or a push, like a long push that he needed to happen in one and DeNiro didn't know his lines and at the end of the day, the producer was like, all right, we can fire him. I'll do it. I'll fire him. And the director was like, no, I'm going to do it. Oh my God.

I'm so pissed. Do you know what movie it was? I don't know. I'll fire him. And the director was like, no, I'm gonna do it. Oh my God. I'm so pissed at him. Do you know what movie it was? I don't, no, I don't remember. But I wanna say, that great actor replaced him. It wasn't a big movie, but it was that cool actor. Anyway. So shrinking is so good, and you have such great chemistry with everyone.

And you really have good chemistry with the guy, I'm sorry, I forgot his name, who plays your lover. Oh yeah, Devin Kawaoka. He's wonderful. And we go back, we actually knew each other. I didn't, they came to me and they were like, this is the guy we're thinking of casting. I think just to make sure I didn't hate him.

And I was like, I know him, I love him. We have a bunch of friends in common. And so I knew him. And we even during the pandemic, we were part of a Zoom game of mafia. How does mafia work on Zoom? We would like, we would like chat, you would like like we have private chats.

I think on Zoom you can do like like group chats and private chats. And so it was like that. There was one person was the host and it was fun. It was fun for a while. And then after a while, I was like, oh, we can't really lie to each other anymore. We've gotten too close. Well, the cast is really great. Everyone should check out Shrinking. And now you're doing Once Upon a Mattress on Broadway

with the legendary Sutton Foster. You know, I have a connection to the show two ways. I did the show in camp. I played Dauntless, which is your character. At the stage at the stage. That's how I've been able to sing to you. Some of your, I played Dauntless, which is your character. At the stage door, stage door manner? At stage door manner. That's how I've been able to sing to you. Some of your, I went to see the show and of course-

Have you heard of stage door manner, Michael? Yes, from Zach, actually. I remember you telling me about it. Wait, you've never heard of stage door manner before me? I must have heard of it, but like you're the, you're my real, that's how I really learned about it. Oh, I just thought being in New York and Broadway, someone would have brought it up to you before.

He got there when he was 17. I know, but just, it's in the zeitgeist of people talking about things. Anyway, I did a play with Sutton Foster as well, with Bobby Cannavale and Ari Greiner, and she was a dominatrix, and I really love her. And she was always so kind to my father. My father, my late father was very, very into Broadway

and Sutton, for those of you who don't know Sutton Foster, she is one of the most beloved Broadway stars there is. And she was always so loving and kind and able to receive my father's adoration. And I just, I had a wonderful time coming to see your show. When I came backstage to see you, it was not great to see you, but also Sutton was so nice and mentioned my father

and it made me feel nice. She is really, really good person. Like she's amazing on stage. I mean, amazing. But like she makes you feel like you're the most important person in the room, which is, and I think she means it, like she really, really is engaged and caring and filled with love and energy. But as you know, being on stage with her is, it's like, it's like, it's like beyond living, like there's something supernova. She's like, she's like, it's like an electricity

that, that that I remember, you know, when I was a kid going to see Tommy tuned at the Fair Park Music Hall and being way up in the balcony, I could see his face, even though I was three blocks away. I think Sutton has that quality. There's a reason why she's a Broadway star and that she's in musical after musical and, uh, and it's that, that wattage, it's just bigger than, than it all. I mean, she can dance, she can sing, she can dance.

She's very funny. She's been on tell. She was on television for a really long time. She had five seasons on a show on TV land. She's got skills. She's not, you know, it ain't, she ain't on Broadway. She doesn't, it's not, she doesn't get these Broadway roles by luck, it's for a reason.

She got the talent. Yeah, she's really talented. And this show is filled with Broadway legends. We've got Brooks Ashmanskas, who I know you worked with. I love him. And Daniel Breaker, who plays the jester, he was two years ahead of me at Julliard, and he is like my hero,

and he is an incredible stage actor. You think he's an incredible actor. He starts the show, he opens the show with this wonderful lullaby and the audience. He has the audience in the palm of his hand. And a lot of what he does in the show, a lot of what he says, he sort of made up himself. He sort of like come up with and it's just completely unique. No one's ever done it like that before. The show is bizarre, but very funny.

It's such a weird show. It's a weird show. I think that's because of the way that it was created. It was made at a camp, like an adult camp, like a camp for adults where adults would go, used to go in the 50s. And it was a place where singles could go and meet people, but the camps would hire performers

to entertain the camp goers. And they would hire a cast and they would hire creatives to put on shows, reviews or whatever. And they brought Mary Rogers and the other writers of this show one year and somebody said, let's do the princess and the other writers of this show one year. And somebody said, let's do the Princess and the Pea. And they wrote the show around the actors they had. So there was an actor who couldn't sing and really

couldn't dance. And so they were like, well, let's write him this mute character. And everything he does can be. And then there was somebody else who was like, well, she's not a great singer, but she's great at talking. So let's write her a bunch of words. And then there was somebody else who was like, well, she's not a great singer, but she's great at talking. So let's write her a bunch of words. And then somebody was really limber and could belt.

And they were like, well, she can be our star. Yeah. It is a wacky show. But you're bringing it to LA, right? This is a unique situation where the actual cast is gonna do it in LA, the whole Broadway cast? Almost everybody's going. Everybody or just you and Sutton?

Who's coming? Me and Sutton and Anna Gasteyer who plays the queen, my mom and my brother. Yeah, Anna Gasteyer is very good. And Daniel Breaker and David Patrick Kelly who plays my dad. And then some of the other people can't go. Brooks is doing Smash on Broadway.

I just texted Brooks because I said two of my favorite gay things in the world are Brooks, Ash Manskis, and Smash. And the fact that they're going to be together. Wait, are they doing, they're doing Smash, the TV show, I mean the TV show Smash? The musical that they made in the show Smash. I'm going to show this.

Shut the fuck up. No way. Yes. No way. I texted. Yes. This is... Cause history was made at night, so close the door, turn out the lights and listen.

And my heart will live forever at home. Donald and I were the only people watching Smash. I get it. I got to, when I finally got in a Broadway musical, when I finally got in a Broadway musical, I walked in, I was like, you guys love Smash as much as I do? And they were like, you're watching Smash? I fucking love that show.

I loved Smash. I texted Brooks, I'm like, are you McPhee? Yeah. Jeez. Oh. He's the director. Well, you know, it's not. He's the director?

He's the director. He's the director. It's different. Well, they must have changed that guy because he's the director? He's the director. He's the director. It's different. Oh, they must've changed that guy because he was a sort of European tough guy. He was a womanizer. Yeah, European womanizer. Yeah, so it's different now.

Now it's like Brooks and I think it's a funnier role, but it's not the same story, but it's still them making a musical about Marilyn Monroe. Oh, so the musical will still, it won't be the musical. It'll still be a musical about making the musical. That's right. Oh, so the musical will still, it won't be the musical. It'll still be a musical about making the musical. That's right. Oh, I'm intrigued.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will be seated. I will be seated, Donald. I hear it's really good too. I like the fact that you guys are all coming out to LA though, man. When you were talking about that back in the day and how shows came through your town

and everything like that, I wish it was like that still. I wish that, you know, once you've, I think a lot of people would enjoy this experience you do the Broadway run And then you take it on the road with the same cast I'm not gonna say the road because if you're a big Broadway star, you don't really want to go everywhere People want to see that people people look it's like theater It's like movie theaters or theater all over again, man You go fucking go see the Buster Keaton jump off. You go see the fuck, you know what I mean?

Especially if they're coming to your town, small towns that don't. Well, the old school stars would do that. Yeah. Like Carol Channing, Mary Martin, Tommy Toon, like the old school stars, they used to, they would always go. Well, she's, you know, if you have a family and it can be tricky for people to do a tour.

But I think, I think as a half measure at least, it's very cool for the OG leads to say, okay, and we're gonna do it for a month or two in LA. That's cool. Yeah, I love that. I'm really excited to do that. What are the dates that you're, wait, so tell audience members,

how long has your run in New York until? You can catch us on Broadway until November 30th, and then we play the Amundsen Theater in Los Angeles December 10th through January the 5th. Okay, great. So people in LA go see them at the Amundsen. I was with my mom. She's so cute. I saw her at my brother's birthday party, and she brought out a little pamphlet

that had been sent her in the mail from the Amundsen, and she opened it up and she goes, look, Sutton's coming to town. And I said, mom, I know, and that's Michael Urie. He's on the show Shrinking. She goes, I know, I'm going to go to this one. What a cute lady she is. You do a good impersonation of your mom, dude.

My mom will be seated for Michael Urie and Sutton Foster. It'll be cool there. It'll be really, it'll be really, it's a really, for us, it's a nice way to spend the holidays, you know, doing a family show. Because it's for everybody. Everybody can come see the show. You can bring your kids, you can bring your grandmas. It's one of those shows that has some sexual innuendo that will just go over your kids'

heads. Yeah. And a lot of that was pulled back because the show used to be way more naughty and risque and they needed a little more PG. Yeah. And a lot of that was pulled back because the show used to be way more naughty and risque and they needed a little more PG. Yeah, we kind of got rid of, there was some like, Oedipal stuff between my mother and me that we kind of got rid of. She didn't want you to get married because she was in love with you. Yeah, there was some of that. They cut that. They cut that. And then there was the, the king was like kind of grabby, but that's, we don't do that. They cut most but but but the way it works like a Looney Tunes cartoon where like there is

stuff that's for the adults. Yeah, that the kids are like, why is that funny? And then there's the stuff that the kids love. Yeah. And the parent and the parent, the adults love. There's nothing like the sound of kids laughing. I mean, it's it's like it's awesome. And there's a lot of stuff that happens in the show where just the kids laughing. I mean, it's awesome. And there's a lot of stuff that happens in the show

where just the kids laugh. And when that happens, when we get to those moments and we hear how many kids are out there, it's so fun for everybody. The whole audience loves hearing those kids laugh. I think in LA it'll be even better. My last question, Michael, this is something that came up before we brought you on the air, but just out of curiosity,

if Donald were to get an OnlyFans, and one of the offers was to see his testicles. All right, but like, before we do this, I remember the monologue. What if a million years ago, a flash of energy comes, coming from who knows where, landed there, coming from the desert of space to this grain of sand known as Earth.

What if we did not come from Africa, but to Africa now after seeing that on only fans? No. OK, let's say that's the free thing. That's the thing you get for free on OnlyFans. Naked and I'm holding and I'm not naked and cupping. I'm not cupping with both hands. I'm cupping with both hands., you're not naked. I'm not naked and cupping. You're not naked. I'm not cupping with both hands. No, you're not naked. Or a leaf.

I'm cupping with both hands. Let me give Michael the pitch, please. Okay, go ahead. He's clothed and looking over his shoulders sort of flirtatiously, and he does his little Africa monologue. And then you can pay 20 bucks just to see him hold his balls. Weird out of curiosity, would you pay the 20 bucks? No, that's not the question.

20 bucks? That's not the question. Hold up. That's not the question, Mike. Michael, that's not the question. The question is, he said that only gay men would freaking look at me. And I was like, no, I'm universal, baby.

I think straight women, gay men, I think freaking trans, I think everybody will be into. Daniel said that he thinks the biggest piece of the pie chart would be straight scrubs. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And you know, like, mid forties women who love clueless probably. I mean, I think the curiosity would probably get them. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely and you know like like Mid 40s women who love clueless probably thank you Thank you. Thank you. I don't know about gay men. I'm not sure What if it's ten bucks? What if it's ten bucks? What if it's ten bucks? No, fuck you! We're staying with thirty bucks now!

Are you telling me? That's how you negotiate. Are you telling me? Is it just your balls? Maybe we throw in shafts and we get 25 bucks. I guarantee you there would be a freaking huge part of the gay community that would be interested in seeing my balls and shaft I wish there was a survey we could do on this Probably can yeah, I don't think we should it might hurt his ego I think I would you would get my you know If you listen, if you're not into this,

then you don't deserve it anyway then. How about that? If y'all ain't into this, then you don't deserve it. That's universal. That's for everybody out there. All right. I'll tell the gays. I'll let them know.

Michael knows. Thug life. Michael knows. Thug life. Michael knows actual homosexuals and can tell them to tell everyone. Yeah, I have a thread going. They're all in the same group chat.

Tell Brooks at Schmanskas. Michael, I love you. You're so talented. Thank you for coming on our podcast. I love you too. I love you both. And I love your friendship. Thank you.

I told you this, Zach, but many years ago when I was first out in L.A. shooting Ugly Betty, I was in I was at Baja Fresh and I saw you guys sitting on a curb in the parking lot eating together. And I thought it was so sweet and so cute. You are famous then you were on scrubs and everything. And I was like, look at those two guys. They're really friends and they're eating tacos together on a curb in the parking lot. And I was like, look at those two guys, they're really friends and they're eating tacos together on a curb in the parking lot.

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