Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - Professor Scott Galloway and the Future of Young Men
Episode Date: November 19, 2024Scott Galloway, also known as Professor G, made a career in business. In today's episode, he discusses how he made his first million and why he chose to move on from the rat race and center his family.... Professor Galloway discusses everything from how the culture can help produce healthier young men, the damage social media does to the psyche, how the addiction to cell phones has reduced the "slow-dopa" teenagers produce, and how youth in politics could positively impact the nation. Plus, Zach and Donald are at the clurb with The Chainsmokers family. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey guys, it's Zach Braff here.
I just wanted to open the show and talk about merch because Donald and I always forget to
talk about merch and Christmas is coming up and you know what your loved ones want and
you know what you want more than anything really is some good old fake doctors, real
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Most appropriately for Christmas, there's a Christmas ornament of me riding Donald,
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And I'm gonna tell you about everything else
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and then just search for fake doctors.
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There's wrapping paper with our faces on it.
There's a beach towel, there's a washcloth. Um, cause you know,
we like to talk about washcloths. There's three different t-shirts.
There's a pop socket for your phone of me, uh, Eagling Donald.
Oh, this is really cool. For those of you who have to wear a badge to work,
particularly in the medical profession,
there's a badge holder with our faces on it that has one of those pull
out things for when you have to swipe your badge on things. I want one of those and I don't even
have a place to wear a badge. I see someone made a Queen Joelle t-shirt. I don't even know if that's
through us or what, but I see there's some like after-market-y looking ones things, meaning we
didn't make them. But anyway, there's cool stuff on here. Oh, also most importantly,
there's a few of our legendary onesies left,
but they're only small and medium.
If you happen to be a small or medium human being,
you could get one of those limited edition onesies we made,
which are pretty hilarious.
That's it, go check out this store.
There's cool stuff for your Christmas gift giving season
and Hanukkah and Kwanzaa and any other holiday
where you give presents.
Okay, here's the show.
This is I Listen audience.
I successfully got Donald to Vegas
and this voice that I have is a result of that experience.
I was in...
I wish I had this voice all the time actually.
No, you don't.
Yes, I do. I just feel like I'd be more effective in my life.
I don't know that you'd be as successful if you spoke like this all the time, bro.
Well look at James Earl Jones.
He did just fine.
You don't sound like James Earl Jones.
You sound like somebody who's sick right now.
No.
Dalton, I did a lot of singing in Vegas.
Oh my God. It was like carpool karaoke. No, Dal and I did a lot of singing in Vegas.
Oh my God, it was like carpool karaoke.
The thing is, when you hang out with someone like Andrew Watt,
you just, you know, who is an amazing musician
and can play any instrument.
He brought his little parlor guitar, you know,
one of those little small guitars, like a travel guitar.
And anything you start singing,
he just can play instantly.
And so it was like, it was like a,
it was karaoke all the time.
And he could play it in any key also.
So like if you start in one key,
he'll be like, all right, hold up one second.
All right, let's go.
He's pretty impressive.
Like the best road trip buddy.
You know, Donald, you don't sing a lot.
I mean I sing.
And I wish you sang.
I sing quite a bit actually.
Well our podcast viewers know you sing.
But for example, we were with Andrew Watt,
for those of you who don't know,
super mega producer, he was producer of the year.
Rock producer of the year. Two years in a row.
And he's an insane guitarist.
He produced the new Lady Gaga album
that's coming out, Joelle.
That's exciting.
Anyway, so he, when he came with us
and Bill Lawrence and Charlotte, his daughter,
who's dating Andrew, and our friend Randall,
and we were just had so much fun
and we were just singing and like Donald
and Andrew's playing together was so fun.
It was a lot of fun.
I had a really good time in Vegas.
You know, this is-
I'm so glad you went.
Is there a lesson to be learned?
Here's the thing.
Well, there's sort of a lesson.
This motherfucker said, dude, it's going to be epic.
And everyone he said that to was like, yeah, okay, sure.
It'll be in some and we'll have fun.
This turned out to be a fucking epic adventure.
We told you brother, brother, if I promise epic,
I'm gonna give you this.
It was fucking epic all the way from the plane ride
to the plane ride back.
It was epic.
So much so that I'm trying to fight,
stay in awake on the plane back,
just so we could have conversations still about the trip.
I still feel tired today.
I was like, oh, I slept so long.
But I learned to play craps
because we never really usually play craps.
And we, Donald and I, first of all, Bill Lawrence.
Let's get to the, let's get to the-
We gotta say, Bill, who's so cocky
and like his whole thing is like, don't worry guys,
everything always goes my way.
Which is talking about manifestation.
It's kind of accurate.
He manifests that, he lives that
and shit usually just goes his way.
So the dice gets a craps
and these guys are teaching me how to play craps.
Andrew knows what he's doing and Donald knows what he's
doing and I'm learning how to play craps for the first time.
And then it's time Bill's turn to roll.
And he's like, don't worry guys, things always goes my way.
Now, now hold on.
First of all, when someone says that, that's the ultimate jinx right before craps, right?
So we're like, all right, fine.
We put money down and he rolls a seven right away.
Boom, we're paid.
So we're like, all right, bet.
Put a little bit more down.
He rolls another seven.
He rolled seven and 11.
He rolled a seven or 11 out the gate,
like five or six times in a row.
So much so that the pit boss now comes to the table
and is paying attention to everything that Bill is doing.
Right?
So.
Yeah. And they're asking us if we have those players cards
because if you start winning too much,
they're like, are you in the system?
Like, how do I, do I know you?
Yeah.
And so he's throwing, and finally he hits a number.
He hits eight, right?
And so now we gotta put all of our money up on the board
and all of that stuff to get,
and he proceeds to hit every number,
except for seven. Stop.
As he's rolling.
And then finally he- For like a finally he for like a half for like
a half hour for finally he goes you know what let me just roll the fucking eight
I'm let me just roll a hard eight and we all have money on a hard eight he rolls
it not only he calls it he does it and holy shit everybody got paid and we're
not playing with little money and we're playing with money that makes you sweat.
You know what I mean?
You sweat.
By the way, Bill was so calm.
He had like this superstition that if he started cheering
and going crazy with us, like he would fall out of it.
So every time he hit the number,
everyone would start screaming
and he would just stay totally calm.
Like he wouldn't even move.
He was just like, I were like, why aren't you celebrating? He's like just just just let me be
And so fine so we get to like a half an hour so he hits it and then he rolls some more he hits it
Again, then he rolls some more and he hits it again and we're like, holy shit. Finally. He's like now he's like
Guys, it's coming to an end soon.
So let's not go too crazy.
We're like, dude, this shit is going.
When he said that immediately, he rolls the seven and it was like, all right.
He knew.
It was fun.
That's incredible.
We can ask Donald, what changed your mind?
Zach, what did you do to get him to go?
He didn't do anything.
He didn't do anything.
My wife was like, he's going with.
His wife had an invention.
She was like, he's going with Bill. Oh, Bill is going.
And I was like, so she was like, if this motherfucker creates a deal
for scrubs with Bill and you're not there, I was like, oh, I should go.
She was like, that's what we finish in my mind.
I'm like, this will never happen, right?
This will never this will never a deal'm like, this will never happen, right? This will never, a deal without me there
will never happen anyway.
In your mind, we were gonna negotiate you out of scrubs.
No, in her mind.
Bill, I'd like to do scrubs. In her mind.
I'd like to do scrubs, but without Donald.
That was her mind.
Her mind was like, we're gonna do scrubs without Donald.
And I was like, babe, that's not gonna happen.
She said, well, you need to go just to make sure.
I said, babe, how are you so untrusting?
She said secure the bed.
That's what she said.
This is far so.
I wish I didn't hear this story
because I thought it was that you finally came around
to the fact that I had put a fun group together
and you wanted to be there.
And your wife, we said, you go, babe,
you go have fun with your friends.
That's not the answer at all.
You were all worried about being cut out of scrubs.
I was not worried about this.
My wife was.
When she gave me the green light to go,
I was like, for one night, are you sure?
She's like, you need to go to Vegas.
And then all of the worry went off my,
you know, fell off of my shoulders.
Like all of the weight fell off my shoulders.
Because going with my wife is a different story.
She wouldn't have had fun at some of the things we did.
You know what I mean?
But she would have had fun at the craps table.
So when she was, when I didn't have to worry
about that anymore, I was good to go.
Then we went, cause we were at the Wynn
and the chain smokers were playing at this, at the venue.
And Andrew's of course, friends with the chain smokers.
He's friends with everybody.
They lived with him at one point
or one of them lived with him.
He's like, so he's like, you guys,
I don't know if you'd normally go to La Clube when with him. He's like, so he's like, you guys, I don't know if you'd normally go to a club
when we wouldn't at this age, but he's like,
we'll be in the DJ booth, you gotta experience this,
it's crazy on a Saturday night at this club.
So we went and you know, the whole like thing,
security walking us all with them.
Wait, hold up, hold up, before we get there,
we gotta talk about the suite that they had too.
They had the Rain Man Suite.
They had the for real Rain Man Suite.
What does that mean?
Do you know?
It's on the movie man?
You're like, they're only seeing movies.
Yeah, you remember when they win all of that money
and then they get the suite?
No, not the exact one.
We're saying one that epic.
So you know.
Of that caliber.
And so we get there.
The kind of suite you get if you're the performer
at the win.
And so we get there and they're like, come down with us.
And we go down and we hit the club and the club's outside.
And I'm like, oh, this is cool.
They got an outdoor club.
So we get to the DJ booth and the DJ booth, their back is to the outside club.
And I'm like, this is the weirdest thing ever.
How are you going to DJ?
And I'm looking in this mirror also, right?
And I don't see myself in the mirror.
And I'm like, this is the weirdest shit
I've ever seen in my life.
Am I a vampire?
No, the mirror wasn't the fucking outside.
It was the inside of the club,
which was jam packed all the way to the wall.
And that's what the DJ booth is facing.
It's 360, it's 360 around.
Half is outside, half is inside.
That's so cool. And it was, half is outside, half is inside.
That's so cool.
And it was crazy.
I mean, and the funny thing was Donald was like,
was the one who was like, I don't wanna go to the club.
I'm like, dude, just experience being in the DJ booth,
leave after 15 minutes if you don't want it, it'll be crazy.
So we go, this motherfucker was up in the front,
like fucking dancing or crazy.
I had outer body experiences while listening to I guess it's dubstep
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But the light show was crazy.
The light show was crazy.
The funniest part was we were in the DJ booth, right?
And they said, there's all these women there
that want to be close to the guys, right?
So at first, when we first got there,
Dile and I were in front, we're talking to them.
It's like so cool.
Little by little, as women started getting more like-
Aggressive, aggressive.
Aggressive, or why I'm sure, some shots of tequila.
They were like elbowing me and Donald the fuck out of the way,
like let us get close to these dudes.
And I eventually gave up and I was like,
I was like, all right, I'm gonna go to the back
where there's a little bit of room
because I'm getting like elbows thrown at me
because these girls need their selfies,
they need their fucking, they need their influencer videos.
I turned to this girl and I said to her,
I said, now listen, if I elbowed you
the way you just elbowed me,
you would be on the floor
and you would not be very happy about it.
Will you please stop elbowing me?
And she goes, oh my God, I'm so sorry.
She brings a dude over and I look at the dude like,
dude, I promise you, you don't want this, right?
And he backs off.
And so at first she's chill and I'm like, all right,
we're good.
And then still, boom, boom, boom.
And I was like, all right, you know what?
I gotta go back.
I gotta leave.
Cause I'm about to throw this ball.
I waved to Donald.
I waved to Donald like, dude, you can't keep,
it was turned into like a wrestling match.
I was like just come back
And they had that dry ice that goes into everybody's faces
Then we have one friend we had one friend that he
He was over served and we realized we had to get him out of there. So we had to, we realized it was time to go because he was,
but he was, he was the MVP of the, of the whole situation.
He was hilarious. Then, then we, once we, once we, once we, uh,
what do you got pulled him out of there,
he was double fisted on the way out.
We pulled him out of there and brought him back to the craps table.
And that was funny.
He was, his whole thing was like,
I don't understand, are they a band or are they DJs?
What do they do?
What do they do?
It was a lot of fun.
It was a lot of fun.
A lot of laughter.
A lot of fun and laughter as my wife would say.
Fun and laughter.
I just wanna have some fun and laughter, as my wife would say. Fun and laughter. I just wanna have some fun and laughter.
We had a sick Chinese meal at Wynn Lay,
I believe it's called, the restaurant there.
Delicious. That was amazing.
They told me-
We should be paid by the win, Joelle.
We need sponsorship.
I mean-
I love a Vegas trip, let's go.
Because Donald and I can talk up how fun the win is
for one night only.
Well, not only was the win fun for one night only,
it paid really well.
Well, we can't guarantee our listeners
that they'll have the luck we had.
No, you gotta go with Bill Lawrence.
We had Bill Lawrence's magical fingers.
Exactly.
And I, you know, it's funny,
Krabs is more fun than Blackjack, I think,
just because Blackjack, I just feel like I always lose it's just
Time no you can you get 21 and then you're like so excited and the dealer gets 21 and you push then the dealer gets 21
They just always seem like the dealer will have like if I get a 12
I usually lose the dealer gets 12 and gets 21. I'm like what the fuck is going on here, man
How is this consistently happening? I?
know
We this one woman she said I love scrubs. I used to watch it when I was 10
And we were like no she watched it in reruns. She was 10
Oh reruns when she was 10. Oh
She said y'all doing a reboot? We said we might.
She goes, is the blonde girl coming back?
We're like, we'll see.
We'll see.
You said we'll see.
We'll see.
Sheesh.
Gotta have Chucky.
See, Donald, we laughed so hard, right?
Listen, I'm not going to lie, man.
It was one for the books.
It was one for the books, for sure.
For sure. And I appreciated it too.
And I needed it for distraction reasons and everything.
I've been really, really down on, not down on myself, but I turned 50 and this shit is
like, it's a new life experience.
It's like, you try to fight.
I'm halfway to the grave.
You try to fight that thought, you know what I mean?
And this was a moment where I just forgot about everything.
And it felt so good just to forget about everything
for a little bit, you know what I mean?
And I had a great time.
I think the lesson is that you should let me take you
on more adventures.
Well, you know, we said we were gonna do it quarterly,
so I can't wait for the next one.
Well, all right. So if you're wondering why my voice is like that, it's because I was singing and...
And no, you were screaming because we were winning at craps. That's why your voice is like that.
I was screaming because we were winning at craps, and also I was doing multiple sing-alongs with Andrew Watt on guitar.
And in the clurb, I was going, do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do-ga-do- Oh, we didn't. We were listening to BDSM. No. Yes, that's why our voices are short. Got it.
Oh, boy.
Jesus.
Oh, boy.
Scott Galloway's here.
He's a very fancy guest.
We're so lucky to have him.
He spits knowledge like nobody I know.
Most impressive knowledge too, bro.
I asked Joel to get him for us,
and he's a very hard get
because everybody wants to have him on their podcast and he said yes to us.
We're very honored.
Daniel let him in.
Professor G, five, six, seven, eight.
He's got stories about a show we made about a bunch of docs and nurses and a janitor who
loved me.
I said he's got stories that we all should know.
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Everybody, there he is.
What a thrill.
Yeah, thank you sir.
You know, I'm going to say something to you, but Zack has a question locked and loaded,
but you seem so even keel, no matter what, bro.
What a thrill.
I love it.
I love your demeanor, bro.
Thanks, man, it's mostly drugs.
Okay, well, there it is.
Thank you so much, Scott, for coming on.
The algorithms have figured out how much I love you
because most of my feed is you spinning wisdom
all over the place.
And I know that you have a lot of requests
to be on a lot of podcasts.
Thank you so much for coming on ours.
It's great to be here.
It's great to have you, man.
I wanted to, there's so many questions to ask you.
I know we have you for a limited time,
but we do call ourselves fake doctors, real friends,
coming off of the show.
We do try and talk about mental health,
and we had the surgeon, Jen Rawan,
who was talking about loneliness.
Yeah, Murthy, it's fantastic.
He's incredible.
I wanted to start off talking about,
well, some in the area of young men and what they're facing today, the challenges.
You've spoken beautifully on this before, and I just wanted to think, how do you think, what pivots can we make?
Because Vivek was sort of talking about the crisis.
What sort of changes do you think can be made in society to support men's health and well-being? Because it does seem to be a particular crisis with young men today in society.
Well, Frisio, it's great to be with you guys, and I appreciate you bringing sunshine or
sunlight to the topic.
So I'm not a doctor, but I love data, and the data is just overwhelming.
And that is men are three times as likely,
or excuse me, four times as likely to kill themselves.
If you're in a morgue and there's five people
who've died by suicide, four of them are men.
And if it was any other special interest group
that was committing suicide at four times the rate,
excuse me, I'm supposed to say dying by suicide,
we'd move in with programs.
But because of the 2,000 year head start,
people who look and smell and feel like me have had, there's just a lack of empathy, because people see empathy as a zero-sum game.
And that is, correctly, there's a gag reflex when you start talking about the problems men are facing, you come across as anti-women.
And one of the key things moving to solutions is we have to recognize that empathy is not a zero sum game.
Civil rights didn't hurt white people.
It helped white people.
Gay marriage didn't hurt heteronormative marriage.
And we aren't going to have women and the country
are not going to flourish if men are floundering.
Three times as likely to be addicted.
12 times as likely to be incarcerated.
We don't have a homeless, opioid and suicide problem.
We have a male homeless, male opiate and male suicide problem.
Men within two years of their divorce become eight times
more likely to kill themselves.
There are real issues here.
One in five men at the age of 30 are living
with their parents.
One in three men has a girlfriend under the age of 30, two in five men at the age of 30 are living with their parents. One in three men has a girlfriend under the age of 30.
Two in three women under the age of 30.
You think, well, that's mathematically impossible.
It's not because women are dating older,
because women want more economically
and emotionally viable men, and they're not finding them.
How many times have you heard,
I have all these wonderful women in my universe,
smart, attractive, shit together, but they can't find men.
How they can find man they just can't find any men they want to date.
We're producing the most anxious insecure economically and emotionally.
Unviable obese anxious generation of men in history or at least in our country.
And you know we also need to feel okay about celebrating young men.
Young men have fought and won the most consequential wars in history.
Young men have built some of the most amazing things in our nation that we're really proud
of or outside of the nation, whether it's the Panama Canal or the Empire State Building.
It's okay to fall back in love with the notion of a strong, young American man.
And on the far right, they tell men to be cruel and coarse and to be misogynists.
That's not the answer.
And on the far left, we tell men the answer is act more like a woman.
I don't think that's the answer either.
So a movement to solutions. One, just biologically, young men mature at a slower rate.
Literally their prefrontal cortex
is 18 months behind a woman's.
I would say as a father, my role is
I'm a prefrontal cortex.
I walk them through decisions like they're supposed to make
with their executive functions of their brain.
We need to, I would like to see us redshirt kindergarteners.
And that is boys start kindergarten at six, girls at five.
If you have-
I'm sorry to cut you off.
Go ahead, Tom.
I'm sorry to cut you off.
I think they do that already in California
in the private schools.
So girls in-
That's right.
Yeah, okay.
Well, rich people have this trick.
They lie about their son's age and they hold them back.
When I grew up in the space race,
where everyone thought, oh, the key is to produce
super talented young men who will beat the Russians.
And so everyone was always trying to get me to skip a grade.
I showed up at college when I was 17
and I was just too immature to handle alcohol and women
and the responsibilities of being away from them.
It was a disaster for me.
So now everyone is trying to hold their boys back
and you have to show up at a lot of schools
with a birth certificate
because people are lying about their boys
to try and get them hold up.
Really, I didn't know that.
The youngest boy in a class is more likely to be depressed.
He's physically smaller, he's more immature,
he's more likely to be bullied.
So people have caught on.
I'm saying let's formalize it.
Kindergarten start, six-year-old for boys, five-year-old for girls. to be bullied. So people have caught on. I'm saying let's formalize it.
Kindergarten start, six-year-old for boys,
five-year-old for girls.
More men in primary school education.
70 to 80% of primary school teachers are women.
There are more per capita female fighter pilots
than male kindergarten teachers.
And who is a female teacher gonna champion?
She's gonna champion people who remind herself of her.
And that's natural.
A boy is on a behavioral adjusted basis,
twice as likely to be suspended
for the exact same behavior as a girl.
A black boy, five times as likely to be suspended
for the exact same infraction.
And think about what we want
from our kids in primary school. Sit still, be organized,
be a pleaser, raise your hand. You describe a girl. When there's boys only schools, they end
up with twice the amount of recess time. They award aggression or more what I call initiation,
more physicality. So we have an education system that's biased against boys.
Going further in education,
if you're a university like mine, NYU,
and you have an endowment over a billion dollars,
you're not growing your freshman class
faster than population,
you should lose your tax-free status
because you're no longer a public servant,
you're a hedge fund offering classes.
We need a ton more vocational programs.
Remember Woodshop, Auto shop and metal shop?
Yeah, all got rid of that.
All gone, all gone.
It disappeared in high school for me.
Cause I had it in June, no, I had it in elementary school
as a matter of fact, by junior high school,
all of that was gone.
Because we all knew that guy who was never gonna go
to college, but he could fix a car.
He was good with his hands.
He was the guy that was, they could come over and build the actual tree house.
I actually knew how to build it.
There used to be an on-ramp into an American middle class for that guy.
And now it's no longer there.
Why did they get rid of it?
I mean, is this budget cuts?
I don't understand.
I think we became in love with technology and computer science.
So we replaced civics and woodshop with computer science, and that's why we have Mark Zuckerberg.
But there's been a de-emphasizing of kind of those, what I'll call more male-oriented
on ramps into trade.
So a lot more vocational program, 11% of LinkedIn profiles in the UK and Germany, the title
is apprentice.
It's 3% in the US.
Where do you go? It's like, as parents, if our kids don't get into college,
they failed.
Have you been to those parties where they're like,
oh, Bobby dropped out of Rutgers, he's home.
Oh, everyone's failed.
The family needs to be shamed.
Everyone's failed.
Two thirds of American kids are not gonna get a college,
a traditional college degree,
so more vocational programming.
I think we need to expand a child tax credit. I think we need expanded child tax credit.
I think we need to stop this economic transfer of wealth
from young to old.
The average seven-year-old is 72% wealthier
than they were 40 years ago.
The average person under the age of 40 is 24% less wealthy.
60% of people age 30 to 34 40 years ago
used to have a kid in their house.
Now it's 27%.
Not because people decided they don't want kids.
They can't find someone to mate with
and they don't have the money.
So I'm, you know, I got a stack of things
I think we could do.
I think most of them should be focused on young people,
not on men, because I think it'll be politicized.
But I think young people, a reinvestment in young people
to lift them up.
What are the two biggest tax deductions?
Mortgage interest rate and capital gains.
Who owns homes and stocks?
People my age.
Who makes their money from current income and rents?
Joelle and yeah, Danil.
So why do I get all the tax breaks?
The incumbents and the wealthy have weaponized
the tax code to transfer wealth from young to old.
And it's been disproportionately impactful on young men
who quite frankly, we don't like to have
an honest conversation around mating.
If a woman is economically, women meet socio-economically
horizontally and up, men horizontally and down.
If a guy's not economically viable,
he's not gonna form a family.
He's not gonna have romantic relationships.
And unfortunately for men, they come off the rails
without the guard rails of a romantic relationship.
They stop showering, they start demonizing people, they're more prone to misogynistic
content, they don't believe in climate change, and some of them become really shitty citizens.
Whereas when women don't have a relationship, they tend to do a better job of maintaining
their social network.
They pour some of that love and that energy into their work and into their existing friendships.
Men without the prospect of a romantic relationship
or quite frankly, sex, kind of come off the tracks.
And it was, I think there's a ton of things we could do.
I think we, we, we fuck this up, we can unfuck it.
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What percentage of that falls upon this rise
of social media and Zuckerberg,
of all people, just as an archetype? Is it correct to blame a certain percentage of this
on everyone just moving to staring at their screens all day?
Oh, it's been the chaser. It hasn't helped. It's been very hard on girls. I mean, think about Instagram.
It's the fakest shit ever.
Sorry, Professor G, but it's the fakest shit ever, man.
Nobody's real on that thing.
You can't find a real thing on that.
And I fell victim to it early too,
where I was like, I don't have enough.
If we set it on the freak, I'm sorry to cut you off,
but we set it on the podcast.
I need more followers.
I don't have enough followers. I don't have enough followers.
I don't have more followers than Zach.
Who gives a shit, dude?
It's not.
But also you're an adult male.
I mean, what I assume he's about to say is,
do you know what this is doing
to teen and pre-teen girls' minds?
We at least can call it out and go,
okay, are you really seriously depressed right now
because so-and-so's in Europe on a boat
and you're sitting on your couch?
We at least can laugh at ourselves.
The young minds are being so screwed by this.
Am I correct?
But it's a false sense of wealth
and it's a false sense of happiness
when you watch that shit.
And all of these people think,
I need to do that to be happy.
And it's like, no, dude, that is not the answer.
You're not gonna be happy.
I mean, I might be happy on a boat
in the middle of, you know, San Jose.
Yeah, sure.
But you're not, that's not gonna make me have a great life
because I'm doing that.
It's the constant comparison of yourself to somebody.
Yeah, there's two types of porn.
I think Instagram is essentially a porn site Yeah, there's two types of porn. I think Instagram is essentially a porn site.
And there's two types of porn.
There's wealth porn, where I'm trying to shove my foe,
oftentimes fake.
By the way, anyone who's really wealthy
doesn't go on Instagram to talk about their wealth.
You know, if you're taking pictures of a jet,
it means it isn't yours.
And, right?
So there's shoving your success in other people's face and they're not inspired by
it, they just feel worse about themselves.
And then there's actual porn.
And that is the algorithm sexualize young girls.
And think about just how fucking perverted Instagram is.
I'm going to use an algorithm to encourage a 15- old to dress more and more provocatively, such that strange men from around the world
and her peers can comment on her looks.
That is just so wrong and so weird.
And then the algorithms also love rage.
I'm in marketing and we thought from 45 to 95,
we thought sex sells, show an aspirational vision of sexual attractiveness
and attach it to a beer or product that sells.
What we found is there's something that sells more
than sex and that's rage.
So try and get people to start arguing each other.
Zach, your last movie sucked.
Donald, you're not living up to your obligations
as a black man.
No one would ever say that shit to you in person, but they want you to fight.
They want you to start shitposting each other.
The algorithms love that because then it gets more comments, more Nissan ads, more shareholder
value.
You have these algorithms that are training everyone to be coarse, less empathetic, sexualize
yourself if you're a young girl. And if you're a young man, you can go down these rabbit holes
and maybe you can't find a date.
Well, there's a bunch of groups on Discord and Reddit
that will tell you it's women's fault.
It's not your fault, it's their fault.
It's immigrants who are taking your job, right?
And so in addition to top it all off,
and I see this with my son, who's 14,
as his brain is being wired, it's being wired to have a Dopa bag
that he can squeeze whenever he wants, right?
And I think of our jobs as parents is what I call Slopa.
To try and convince him to get the immense Dopa hit you get when you study hard
and you get an A in biology.
That's hugely rewarding.
To save some money, to work, save some money, and then you have a little bit of money to
go to college.
That felt really good for me when I went to UCLA, that slow Dopa.
But unfortunately, they have this casino, porn site I pick theater, slot machine in their pocket at the age of 13 or 14.
And just as their brain is being wired, they're learning, I need to open now,
I need to open up.
And I see with my kid, my kid goes, I'm not proud of this.
My kid will go into the bathroom of this phone so he can be on TikTok and he won't come out.
He'll pretend that he's in there for an hour and he'll scream, I need privacy.
And I'm like, you're on TikTok, you're not fooling anybody.
And then when he gets out of there
and we take the phone away, he so badly needs a reaction
and more dopa, he starts acting out
and being a real, really, really difficult.
Yeah, Donald deals with this with his kids.
Oh my God, and it's YouTube,
and it's because we don't have TikTok.
So they found YouTube and now YouTube plays TikTok videos, right?
And I can't get my kids to sit down to watch a movie anymore because it's too long pretty
much.
You know what I mean?
Shows that are like 10 minutes, that's about enough time for them to say, okay, I like
that show.
Let's go to the next.
What's next?
But if a movie is two and a half hours,
they start, they can't make it through.
I wanna go do something else.
I wanna do, you know what I mean?
The only way it works is if you take them to the movies.
And it's like, wait a second.
You're so right, Don.
Last weekend I said, I just want you guys
to watch some movies I loved growing up.
So I said, we're gonna watch these two movies this weekend,
Breaking Away and Cinema Paradiso.
I'm like, I love these movies
and I want you to watch them with me.
Kids couldn't make it, they lasted 40 minutes.
That was it, that's it.
They couldn't get through it.
It's the worst feeling ever too
because you feel like as a father or as a parent,
I'm failing my kid, you know what I mean?
I'm definitely failing my kid because my kid,
not only does my kid all of a sudden turn into this monster
after we take the screens away, you know what I mean?
I don't necessarily know how to combat that either, man,
because I'm the one that did it to him
by giving him the device.
Well, Scott, we're all addicted to our screens.
So we give them their screens so we can go back to ours.
Scott, there was this, excuse me,
movement to almost ban TikTok, I assume, because it's, it's
owned by the Chinese government, or controlled by the Chinese
government. And I actually thought that was going to
happen for a second. Not that not that these companies will
self regulate. But do you think there's any world where they're
more responsible for, for not allowing people
under 16 to be on them in some way?
No, we keep hoping that their better angels
are gonna show up and we,
it just doesn't happen.
They're doing their job, we're not doing ours.
Their job is to make money.
And the cigarette guys stood in front of Congress
and raised their right hand and said,
I don't believe nicotine is addictive.
When you are paid not to understand something,
you'll get really good at not understanding it.
And so when you're making billions of dollars
and having billions of impressions from young people
and rage and divisive content,
you're gonna find reasons to not understand
what's actually going on.
We've had 40 congressional hearings on child safety
and social media, we've had zero laws passed.
We have never had an industry this big and this powerful
that has no regulation at all.
There's more regulation in the mic you guys are speaking
into than all of social media.
If there was any 24% of studies that came out, two thirds of kids are on
Instagram, 24% of them technically qualify as addicted. What substance or
content would we let 24% of our youth be addicted to and not move in? And they
weaponize, they go, they're very smart, they go on meetings, they were open to
regulation and I have children. First off, most of them don't let their children
have smartphones and two, they have an to regulation, and I have children. First off, most of them don't let their children have smartphones.
And two, they have an army of lawyers getting
in the way of any regulation.
Amazon has more full-time lobbyists living in DC
than there are sitting US senators.
And it's happening again with AI.
We hear the hushed tones of Sam Altman.
He's very concerned about AI and its potential problems.
And then he deploys an army of lobbyists to make sure there's no regulation.
So these guys are doing their job, and it's mostly guys.
They're making money, and that's an important part of the capitalist economy so we can have
taxes and pay for our Navy and pay for food stamp.
They're doing their job.
We're not doing ours.
In every other industry, we have elected people who are supposed to prevent a tragedy that
comments and pass laws. There's no reason any kid should be on social media
under the age of 16. And we ask them to self-regulate an age gate? No. We're hoping Tim Cook wakes
up and decides he should not let anyone have an iPhone until they're 16. It's not going
to happen. We need laws.
Do you think it's because of the age of Congress?
Would a younger, I mean, I know this,
I don't know if this is gonna happen
because they all seem to be skewed so old,
but they never, whenever I watch those hearings,
they never seem to know what the fuck is actually happening.
Right, they have no clue of what's going on.
It reminds me of that Senator back in the day
who was like, the internet is a series of tubes
in trying to describe the internet.
And I wonder, do you think that would help?
Are they just clueless or are they paid off?
Yes.
Yeah, no doubt.
No doubt.
Professor G, no doubt.
The average age of Americans is 38.
The average age of our elected representatives is 62.
Our top leaders are across between
the walking dead and the golden girls.
I mean, think about this.
Our speaker of the house,
who's an incredibly impressive woman,
when she had her first kid,
Castro had just declared martial law
and two thirds of households did not have color TVs,
but she's supposed to understand the challenges
facing a single mother in her twenties.
She's supposed to understand a young man
who's addicted to gambling
and now trading crypto on Coinbase.
So I'm not suggesting we can't benefit
from older politicians, but for God's sakes,
it's like, you know, we need more youth.
But not crazy youth either though, because somebody's youth, the youthful politicians
get in there and they're so fucking far on one side or so fucking far on the other side
that their ideas and their policies as an adult, I can't fuck with that.
Those are the loud ones, I think,
getting the most attention because they've marshaled
these social media devices, like he's saying, rage bait.
They know how to get the attention,
whereas there is a world out there
where there's some centrist young politicians
who could help maybe make Congress not the golden girls.
Well, you have the squad and then you have Marjorie Taylor
Green and I forget the name, who's the wrestler.
Right.
Matt Gates, Matt Gates.
Not mad, he's not a wrestler.
That guy's beer battered, he's not in good shape.
But what we have is because of gerrymandering
and because of money, we no longer are politicians
or lawmakers, we have performers.
And that is if Marjorie Taylor Greene goes on
and says that it's Jewish space lasers
or that these people are acting like Jews,
I mean, she says it must have been San Diego things,
but TikTok takes it and loves it.
And there's an element of the far right
that likes her calling out the other side.
They're not there, they don't want lawmaking.
They want someone to tickle their sensors
and make them feel good
about making the other side look really bad.
And they go on TikTok and then they raise a lot of money
through small dollar donations and then they get reelected.
And most of these folks have never passed,
many of them have never passed a goddamn law.
They don't, they allegedly.
It's like pro wrestling.
It's like, you remember when the pro wrestlers used to do
the interview before the match and they're like,
I'm the Hulkster and I'm gonna put you in a choke hold
with these pythons.
Right, that's kind of like what I see those,
all those extreme politicians on both sides
who try to get the most attention. It's like they're saying outrageous things to, like
you say, get small dollar donations and can't be defeated, right?
Yeah. It's like there's gerrymandering. I mean, here's the thing. We now have minority
rule. The majority of Americans believe in bodily autonomy. The majority of Americans believe in some sort of gun control. But 20% of our population has 80% of our senators.
And because politicians like to be reelected, they've gone through and redrawn the maps and
they've turned everything hard blue or hard right. So the general election means nothing. It's all
about the primary. So when the general election is the Republican or the Democratic primary,
depending on whether you're addicted to this hard blue or hard red, all we're doing is sending
fucking crazies from the left and the right. Because the primary is all about who can be
more conservative, who can be more progressive, and there's no way for moderates to get elected.
So we just don't have a representative electorate now.
The majority of people are somewhere in the middle.
The majority of people are like, okay, bodily autonomy.
Yeah, people need access to family planning.
Does that mean you should be able to have an abortion
in your third trimester?
Maybe not.
Okay, but that doesn't happen,
but let's have a conversation about it.
Should be, I mean, most people can come
to some sort of consensus.
Should you have the right to bear arms?
Yeah, but should you be able to pass a mental health check?
Should you have registration?
Should you be occasionally visited by a local official?
In England, there was a mass shooting, and I think it was Dunblane, just awful, right?
Within a week, the MPs passed legislation to ban assault rifles.
The same thing happened at a mass shooting after a mass shooting in Australia.
Seems pretty reasonable.
And since then, there's been no mass shootings.
It's like, we claim that we have this unique problem that's unsolvable and the only country
that has it.
I'm living in London and one of the things I love about living there, free gift with
purchase, bodily autonomy, trans rights, guns rights, they're not even conversations.
It's just a way of life.
It's just okay. Should trans issues dominate the political discourse? Do people have to have third
bathrooms in every organization? No, we're not going to let it dictate our politics. But at the
same time, leave them the fuck alone. Like, okay, why do you need, we're not gonna demonize them.
Just leave them alone.
There's just, things have gotten so,
I think the biggest threat in America,
I'm really going off script now,
is not income inequality, it's not climate change,
it's extremism.
And that is the people we send to make our laws
generally can't stand each other.
And their worldview is not an American view,
where we want to get along and come together.
It's representing a fringe that is totally out of touch
with the rest of America and just is, quote unquote,
principled but not pragmatic.
And as a result, this is the least productive Congress
we've had in history.
There are no laws.
We can't even pass a budget.
The only thing they come together on is the far left and the far right will come
together for reckless spending. You want more defense spending and we want to cut
taxes. You want more social services. I know. Let's just run up young people's
credit card and spend seven trillion dollars and five trillion. Bipartisan
reckless spending. Whenever the far left and the far right agree on something, you
know it's a really shitty idea.
And they do come together around stuff.
But the polarization in our society, largely driven by our rage, some people have been
totally forgotten, left behind, the gerrymandering money in politics and then social media that
rewards that polarization.
There really isn't, you know, go on someone's Twitter feed and say, that's a thoughtful comment.
I need to think this through.
That doesn't get a lot of likes.
No, that's not.
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
It's, I, you know, I went on, I'm off Twitter now.
I'm just because it's, I just can't believe that's become that is rage, rage, rage, rage, rage.
It's, it's just crazy. It's like, it's like a steel cage match, but it is funny. That is rage, rage, rage cage rage.
It's just crazy.
It's like a steel cage match,
but it is funny every once in a while to lurk
and see exactly what you're saying.
It's like who can out snark anyone?
If you do happen to stumble across a picture of like,
look at this beautiful flower,
people are like, you know, that particular breed
of strain of flower is ruining this bug's existence and it should be, I mean, you know, that particular breed of strain of flower
is ruining this bug's existence and it should be,
I mean, you can't find, it's just a steel cage match
at all times, I mean, Twitter's become like the most,
I mean, extreme version of that in my eyes.
Here's a perfect thing.
Yeah, I'm off of it.
Yeah, I got off of it a long time ago too.
I don't even have an app, I'm all in for it anymore.
Check this out.
And you become, you become, you become where you spend your time.
And I noticed I was becoming terse,
looking for opportunities to make people look stupid.
I like Twitter.
I would wait till someone said something indelicate
or inartful and weigh in and I got my guardian to gotcha pin.
Right?
And I got to seed the moral high ground
because I was right and what you said was stupid.
And then I realized I am becoming an asshole.
And I just got off of it and said,
I don't need to be in everybody's up and everyone's grill
and saying provocative things just to get more likes.
And I'm naturally, I struggle with anger and depression.
And I'm like, I found too many people like me on Twitter.
And I thought- I agree. That's why I got off anger and depression. And I'm like, I found too many people like me on Twitter. And I thought.
I agree, that's why I got off of it too.
This is not the gang I need to be a part of, right?
So I'm off of it.
I don't like the way the owner acquits himself,
but you have to, but like you said, I can modulate it.
I don't know if my 14 and 17 year olds can modulate.
When we look back on this time, Donald and Zach,
we're gonna regret what we did.
We're gonna regret the weaponization of our elections.
We're gonna regret the coarsening of our discourse.
We're gonna regret the income inequality,
but more than anything, we're gonna go,
how did we let this happen to our kids?
That'll be our biggest regret.
Let's take a break.
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There's plenty of parents listening.
Can you just give them advice on that?
I know especially parents who haven't,
don't yet have kids addicted to it,
who it would be hard if you've got young children.
Is your advice to keep them off social media until they're 16?
Well, first, I just want to acknowledge that anyone who says,
it's a parenting problem, doesn't have kids.
Because I've written books on big tech.
I speak a lot about it, supposedly knowledgeable about it.
My son struggled with device addiction.
Hands down, the number one source of tension and anxiety
in my household, and this is somewhat of a story
of privilege, is that damn phone.
It is 50% of the arguments between my kids and me,
between my wife and me, are about that fucking phone
and its relationship with our kids.
And the problem is the collective problem.
And that is, if you don't ban it for all 16 year olds,
your kid's gonna be more depressed,
and there's research on this,
because he or she will be ostracized from their friends,
because this is how they communicate.
This is how they get their homework.
So unless we have collective action,
where schools ban phones,
and social media is outlawed for people under the age of 16,
I think the best you can do is modulate it.
There are parental tools that the platforms make
purposely exceptionally difficult, because they don't want you to use
them.
They want to pretend to have them.
They want to say, we have them.
Go on, unless you have a master's in computer science from MIT and UX design, can you actually
figure out how to use these things?
But there are tricks.
If you put all your kids on the same phone plan, you can shut off their wireless.
Like when I really wanna go gangster,
I shut off their wireless from their phone.
And all of a sudden they become wonderful children
until I turn it back on.
Exactly.
That's the best.
Donald, you should do that.
Well, look, when we,
and I find myself bartering and negotiating
with my kids over it,
and it's the worst thing ever.
Like, you're absolutely right.
You know, maybe there is something in this.
I like, you know, to collect data for myself
because everything that you said just now,
Scott, is absolutely true.
My wife and I argue about, we don't argue about shit
that other, I mean, the shit that they argue about in the movies,
we argue about the phone and what it's doing to our kid.
And my argument is, well, let's just take it away.
And then she's like, but they're our friends
and all, they're so, and it just goes,
and you talk in circles about it too,
because you hear the other person's argument
in the situation and you agree with
a lot of it, but some of that shit doesn't necessarily apply to your kid.
Like, there's just, it's just, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's the worst thing I feel
personally, the worst thing that ever existed, created was the internet.
And when I look at it, it's great for information for me,
and it's great to find the information,
but all it's doing is make, to me,
it's making my kid not necessarily smarter.
My kids don't necessarily have normal conversations anymore.
They talk like the fucking characters on their screen.
And it's like, I can't take them off of it
because I'm addicted to it as well. You know what I mean? And so it's like, who am't take them off of it because I'm addicted to it as well.
You know what I mean?
And so it's like, who am I to take it from you?
And it's a circular conversation that consistently goes like this.
And I can't stand it.
It's the worst feeling to think I'm failing my child because of something I've done and I can't control
what I did because I needed to.
Well, there's, so I do believe
that if we had a red button to push,
do you remember that Twilight Zone?
They did a remake of it in the 90s where this family,
it was the guy who was in a great movie
called May Not Express.
He shows up and him and his wife are struggling with money
and this guy shows up and says,
if you press this button, someone you'll never know
or never meet will die and you get 10,000 bucks.
And then at the end of the day, they press it,
they get the 10,000 bucks and the guy shows up
and takes the box and says, where are you taking the box?
And said, we're gonna deliver it to someone
you'll never know and we'll never know you.
And if you had that red button and you could press it
and all of the internet would go away,
I don't think we'd press it.
I think that we're net gainers on the whole from technology.
Now the problem is with the word net.
We're net in my belief, in my view,
we're net gainers from fossil fuels,
but we still have emission standards.
We're net gainers from pesticides, but we still have emission standards. We're net gainers from pesticides,
but we still have an FDA.
We're net, social media, there's a lot of good on it.
TikTok has a lot of interesting videos, email, my phone.
I learned how to cook on TikTok.
There you go.
The kids who work for me at Profit.G Media,
they're warriors with better weapons than I ever had.
They're more productive, they're making more money,
they're growing the economy,
these things create shareholder wealth,
they create great jobs.
You know, my son is raising money on TikTok
and learning AI so we can go to Rwanda and build a school.
There's some amazing, on a net basis,
we're beneficiaries in big tech,
but that doesn't mean we shouldn't regulate it.
That doesn't mean we should say, okay, if you're spreading misinformation and you know
you're spreading misinformation or disinformation and kids start killing themselves because
your algorithm will censor having suicidal ideation and start sending them emails saying,
here's some images on suicide you might like, there should be a world of hurt for those executives.
Somebody needs to show up in an orange jumpsuit.
So I would argue we're net gainers,
but we have to have some regulation
and we have to have thoughtful, younger people
who understand this technology making laws,
but waiting for their better,
and this comes back to your question, Zach,
waiting for the better angels of Mark Zuckerberg to show up,
don't hold your breath.
These people are doing their job.
We're not doing ours.
And that is to elect people who will prevent a tragedy
to the commons and think long-term,
understand these technologies and create laws
that make it easier for us as parents and as citizens.
I wanna ask this question.
It moved me when I heard you say it, because all it did was make me think about my wife
and how wonderful she is and how supportive she is of my career.
And then when the highs are up there, oh my God, it feels so good to be able to share
that with her.
But you said something about how the most important decision we make in our
lives is who we choose to have as a spouse.
Because you experience something together and the feel of love and even the feel of
sorrow, if you have somebody there to support you or you can support somebody, there's that
dopamine that you were talking about earlier. You know what I mean?
Can you just comment on that please?
Because it's something that's so fucking amazing.
I think a lot of people need to hear this.
Yeah, but let me start off by saying,
I don't think you have to have a romantic relationship
or married to be happy.
I know a lot of people who are very happy without that.
They find other places to give and receive love,
especially women.
Men without a romantic partnership have a really tough time. happy without that. They find other places to give and receive love, especially women.
Men without a romantic partnership have a really tough time. Now, having said that,
the context I was saying that in was economically. The majority of wealthy people have built
their wealth with a partner. And because the team is just so powerful, both in terms of
your ability to share expenses, be supportive of each other, be a trusted advisor. And I didn't want to get married.
I didn't want to have kids.
I loved living in New York, having a little bit of economic security.
I'm like, why would I ever give this?
I'm going to ride this whole single dude with the perception of wealth thing out.
I was really enjoying it.
I'm still riding it far too long.
You're still there?
Yeah, yeah.
I think, yeah, if I could just be you
for one week and a month,
it'd be all be great. That'd be great, Russ.
So, but on the whole,
on the whole, if you look at happiness,
the majority of happy, really happy people
are in something resembling
a monogamous committed relationship.
Now, what I have, I see across my friends,
I have friends who are hugely successful
across all dimensions,
but they don't have a partnership with their partner.
And there's just a level of anxiety and stress
in everything in their life.
And then I have other friends who are, you know,
they do fine, but they're not what you call ballers
or from an exterior perspective, that successful,
but everything burns a little brighter because they have a great partner.
The most important decision you make, and unfortunately a lot of times it's out of your
control because who they evolve into and how, if you want to be economically successful and happy,
you're going to have to bring generosity and forgiveness to a relationship. And you're going
to also have to put away the scorecard and just decide what kind of friend, what kind of son,
what kind of husband do I wanna be?
Because you will always inflate your own contribution
to the relationship and diminish theirs.
And you end up, when you keep score,
you end up upset and angry and end up injecting bullshit
into the relationship where it doesn't belong.
But if you can figure out a way to find a competent,
loving partner that you're attracted to,
and then really go all in on it.
It just everything, you know, I love having kids,
but what's profound about it is raising kids
with someone, you know, I care about.
I love, I've made a lot of money.
It's hugely rewarding.
You know what was more rewarding?
It was building economic security with a partner.
It was high-fiving each other.
Fuck, we can buy a house.
Oh my God.
Do you realize how much this hotel room is costing us?
Isn't this awesome?
We built this shit together.
That's like, that is so rewarding.
Zach, it sounds like you will never understand that reward.
But I'm trying.
Listen, I'm sitting here listening to you.
Fuck you, Donald.
I'm sitting here, I'm sitting here listening, nodding,
going, yeah, yeah, I want that, I want that, I want that.
I'm totally on board for it.
That's a curse, a good hair, a deep voice,
and a little bit of fame.
Yeah, right?
Your question isn't who to partner with,
it's who not to partner with this weekend.
Hello, ladies, hello.
Can you talk about, you talked about a number,
and the age you were when you, you know, your
number was a million and then it turned to 10 million.
Then it turned into, can you explain that also?
Because that's something, also, I'm trying to-
Now you're going to get a third question?
Dude, Jesus Christ.
We got them on the show, we might as well ask, bro.
Okay, the third question is, so I agree.
I feel like I'm never going to make money just being a worker at one thing.
The way to expand is to be an owner in some way. Right. Mm hmm.
What are ways for people out there who can't understand that, what is a, what is a, in
layman's terms, can you just explain that to people and what you said?
I think, can I help you?
I think what you're saying is, you know, one of the things that we both commented we said
is the difference, you articulated, you articulated in layman's terms, the difference between
just being someone who's chronically
just a worker getting a check and actually having a chance
to earn real wealth, not just a paycheck.
Look, I think America becomes more like itself every day.
And that is it's a loving, generous place.
If you have money, it's a rapacious, violent place.
If you don't, I'm not saying, I'm not talking about
what America is or what America should be, I'm talking about what America is.
It's especially important for men.
And because women are disproportionately evaluated
on their looks, it's totally unfair.
Men are disproportionately evaluated
on their economic viability, which is also unfair.
But that's the reality.
If you're a young man, you need to have a plan
for economic security.
And by the way, women are doing a better job of that plan
and it's wonderful and we shouldn't get to anything
to get in the way of it.
But too many young men don't have a plan
for how they're gonna be economically viable.
And one of the things in my book,
I go through how to develop a plan,
how to think about it, the behaviors and the strategies.
But I liked having a number because I could say,
okay, a million dollars sounds like a lot of money. But if I can save 5% of my salary,
by the way, automated savings, get it out of your hands, taken out of your check,
99% of us will spend all of our money that comes to our hands because the smartest,
most deepest resource people in the world are going to serve you with opportunities 200 times
a day to upgrade from economy to economy comfort.
And why wouldn't you stay at Las Ventanas for the girls weekend? And why, oh wait, would
you like to add flourless chocolate cake to your order from Balthazar? You will get hit
with opportunities every day to spend everything. But if you save 3% to 5% of your salary from
the age of 22, you're going to be a millionaire by the time you're my age. And then even if
it's you're in your 30s and you haven't done that, if you can save 5% to 10%, you're gonna be a millionaire by the time you're my age. And then even if you're in your 30s and you haven't done that,
if you can save five to 10%,
you're gonna be a millionaire.
So you need a plan for economic security
rather than just hoping you're gonna go double platinum
or start a big podcast or get a movie deal.
You need a plan in case you don't hit it big.
And so the answer is, I know how to get you rich.
The bad news is the answer is slowly
and with a certain amount of discipline.
I always had a number because I grew up, I was raised by a single immigrant mother who
lived and died a secretary.
My household income was never over $40,000.
I was like one of three or four guys in my fraternity and everyone knew us, they didn't
have any money.
And every summer, if I didn't make and save 3000 bucks,000, I wasn't re-enrolling at UCLA.
And a lot of good came from that, from grit.
But when I started my career,
I didn't want to be a better person.
I didn't want to change the world.
I wanted fucking money, a lot of it.
And I noticed that I had some very shocking
and rattling things happen to me.
My mom got terminally sick and I couldn't take care of her
to the extent I wanted.
It was humiliating and emasculating.
And so from a very early age,
I was really economically focused.
And I thought if I could get a million dollars,
it'd be fine.
Then I got to a million dollars and I lived in New York.
I'm like, a million dollars?
I can't live in New York with a couple of kids on a million.
I mean, so I went to 10 million.
And then I went bigger than that.
And I'm very open about my finances.
I passed a hundred million seven years ago. I'm hugely privileged, hugely lucky. And by the way, I'm not humble. I'm a than that. And I'm very open about my finances. I passed 100 million seven years ago.
I'm hugely privileged, hugely lucky.
And by the way, I'm not humble.
I'm a fucking monster.
I'm ridiculously talented and ridiculously hardworking.
But I also got really lucky and appreciate the fact
that for the majority of my life,
all prosperity was crammed into this corner
called white straight males.
So I appreciate that, I nod to it,
and I'm trying to make sure that the drawbridge is
down for other people.
But personally, once I got to that number, seven years ago when I sold my last company,
I'm like, I'm going to go raise more money and start a private equity fund because Scott
Galloway, billionaire, just has a nice ring to it.
I thought, I want to be a billionaire.
That shit's going to be sexy.
That shit is going to be sexy. That shit is gonna be sexy.
And then I thought, okay,
and then I had a close friend pass away
and I'm like, what do I really want in life?
I want a series of amazing experiences
that make me feel closer to the people
I have relationships with.
And I thought, do I have enough money to do that?
And the answer is yes.
And I thought, well, why am I gonna get back
on this hamster wheel I've been on my whole life trying to make more money
at any cost.
And now what I do is the following.
I have my number, I sit down with my wealth managers
at the end of the year.
They tell me what my wealth is and what I made that year.
If it's above that number, I either spend it.
I love spending money.
I'm spending money like a gangster
in the fifties diagnosed with ass cancer.
I love spending money. And I spending money like a gangster in the 50s diagnosed with ass cancer. I love spending money.
And I'm really, really good at it.
And I think there's some nobility to it.
You should come to Vegas with us.
Go to nice restaurants.
Go to nice restaurants, tip large,
fly your friends to Aspen.
Just it's a capitalist society.
It is so much money to spend money and spend it well.
And then anything above that, I give away
because it makes me feel masculine.
It makes me feel like a baller.
It makes me feel very American.
And that is so rewarding because I tell you, I could very easily be at a private equity
firm right now aiming for the billionaire's club, taking huge risks, having a more strained
relationship with my spouse and my kids, trying to get to a number that makes absolutely no
goddamn difference.
And the reality is, and all the studies on happy to show this, above a level where you spouse and my kids, trying to get to a number that makes absolutely no goddamn difference.
And the reality is, and all the studies on happiness show this, above a level where you
get economic security, can afford a nice home, take nice vacations, manage a health crisis,
get your kids into good schools.
By the way, that's a shit ton of money.
But once you get to that point, anything above that provides almost no incremental happiness.
Money can value happiness.
Middle class homes are happier than lower class.
Upper income homes are happier than middle.
But billionaires are no happier than millionaires.
They're no less happy, that's also a myth, but they're no happier.
So why once you get to a place of economic security, wouldn't you just enjoy the shit
out of spending it, deepen your relationships and start giving it away.
It is so rewarding.
And it was one of the, other than finding my partner
and deciding to have kids, which I didn't wanna do,
I didn't decide, she decided.
But other than that, my approach to money the last few years,
and this is a problem of privilege,
I wanna acknowledge that,
but getting off the hamster wheel,
recognizing money as the ink in your pen,
write different stories, make stories burn brighter,
but it's not your story is so rewarding.
But for me, it was having a number
and not only was it aspirational,
but it told me when to stop and flip to being more generous
and more focused on my relationship and experiences.
Cause I would still be on that wheel
trying to get a B in front of my name.
I mean, yeah, listen, I've done very well for myself
and I'm very, very, very, very happy with where I'm at.
I always feel like I could use a little bit more though.
You know what I mean?
I don't know if I have, I haven't reached your number yet,
but yet, yet, yet, yet, yet, but I enjoy my kids.
I enjoy the, one of the best feelings in my life
was recently buying a house after losing pretty much
all the money I made while making scrubs
due to bad investments and poor business decisions,
whether it be manager or myself.
The I thought at one point I'll never buy a house again. And you're right. It does feel a mask.
It feels like somebody cut my dick off. You're absolutely right.
But the day I said to my wife, we can buy this house.
It felt so rewarding.
And you're right. The high five was so hard.
The sex was so good that night because we were able to,
because she was in the struggle with me.
Was it good for you, Zach?
It was amazing.
I was only allowed to watch from the corner, but I did ejaculate.
There you go.
That's too much.
That's too much.
He's a urologist on TV.
You can say that.
But that, you can say that.
But that, you're absolutely right, Professor G. That was-
All right, we gotta let the professor go.
We've had him for an hour.
But the latest book is the Algebra of Wealth,
a Simple Formula for Financial Security.
And you also have a couple of podcasts.
Do you wanna mention those, Scott?
Yeah, to resist this feudal, I'm everywhere, Zach.
I'm like AOL in the nineties.
If you stick your hand in a cereal box,
you're gonna pull me out.
Did you just go board with us just now?
Resistance is futile?
Is that what you just said?
That's right.
Shun.
I'm everywhere.
So, prop-
And what are your podcasts?
You have two podcasts already.
Prop G, Pivot.
I just launched a political podcast with Jessica Tarloff.
She's the lone Democrat on the show, The Five on Fox.
And I write books, I have a newsletter
called Numerous Nomalists.
So yeah, just type in my name.
And the last thing I wanna say about you is,
if you're listening and you only have 20 minutes,
watch Scott Galloway's TED Talk.
Oh, thanks, Aaron.
It's pretty incredible.
And I love that, I love that so many people
that do TED Talks, you can tell they're nervous
because it is nerve wracking.
You just look like you're the most baller, bad ass guy.
You're like, look, I only have 20 minutes,
so I'm diving right in.
I got a hundred slides, let's go.
And it was amazing.
I really enjoyed that.
I appreciate that.
And you were fooled.
I felt like I was gonna throw up.
I was hugely nervous, but thank you.
Well, you held it together, man.
I, you know, for those that don't know,
you don't have teleprompters on a Ted Talk. You do it or you do it right or you fuck up. And held it together, man. Thanks, man. For those that don't know, you don't have teleprompters
on a TED Talk.
You do it, or you do it right, or you fuck up.
And I thought you were amazing.
Thanks, brother.
Appreciate it.
Congrats on both of your success.
Well done, guys.
Thank you, man.
Thanks, everybody.
Thank you for coming on.
Hey, Bo.
Hey, Matt.
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Don't miss it, and be sure to go watch Wicked in theaters starting November 22nd. Listen to Las Culturas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, I'm Marie.
And I'm Sydney.
And we're...
Mess.
Well, not a mess, but on our podcast called Mess, we celebrate all things messy.
But the gag is, not everything is a mess. Sometimes it's just living.
Yeah, things like JLo on her third divorce.
Living.
Girls trip to Miami.
Mess.
Ozempic.
Messy, skinny living.
Ha ha ha.
Restaurants stealing a birthday cake.
Mess.
Wait, what flavor was the cake, though?
OK, that's a good question.
Hooking up with someone in accounting
and then getting a promotion.
Living!
Breaking up with your girlfriend while on Instagram Live.
Living!
Mmm, this kind of mess.
Yeah. Well, you get it.
Got it.
Live love. Mess.
Listen to Mess with Sydney Washington and Marie Faustin on iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, this is Courtney Thorne-Smith, Laura Leighton, and Daphne Zuniga.
On July 8th, 1992, apartment buildings with pools were never quite the same as Melrose
Place was introduced to the world.
It took drama and
mayhem to an entirely new level. We are going to be reliving every hookup, every scandal,
every backstab, blackmail and explosion, and every single wig removal together.
Secrets are revealed as we rewatch Every Moment With You. Special guests from back in the day will be dropping by.
You know who they are.
Sydney, Alison and Joe are back together on Still the Place
with a trip down memory lane and back to Melrose Place.
So listen to Still the Place on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts.
Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. listen to podcasts. the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about.
It's a chance to sit down with my guests
and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys,
and the thoughts that arise once we've
hit the pavement together.
You know that rush of endorphins you
feel after a great workout?
Well, that's when the real magic happens.
So if you love hearing real, inspiring stories
from the people you know, follow and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation
beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy and very fun.
Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your
podcasts.
Hey everyone.
I'm Madison Packer, a pro hockey veteran going on my 10th season in New York.
And I'm Anya Packer, a former pro hockey player and now a full Madison Packer stan.
Anya and I met through hockey and now we're married and moms to two awesome toddlers.
And on our new podcast, Moms Who Puck, we're opening up about the chaos of our daily lives
between the juggle of being athletes, raising children and all the messiness in between.
We're also turning to fellow athletes and beyond to learn about their parenthood journeys
and collect valuable advice, like FIFA World Cup winner Ashlyn Harris.
I wish my village would have prepared me for how hard motherhood was gonna be.
And Peloton instructor and Ratchet Mom Club founder,
Kirsten Ferguson.
And I remember going in there hot mess.
So listen to Moms Who Puck,
a production of iHeart Women's Sports
and Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment
on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts.
Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
Dude.
Wow, he's so smart.
Yo.
I just want to listen to him talk all day long.
How did we do this?
How did we get him on the show?
I asked a long time ago, and I know just from seeing him on very,
very, very popular podcasts that, that he's very hard to get.
So I asked you well to like try hard and then she got
That was amazing, man. And I hope you guys out there learn something today,
or, or at least we're able to open your mind up a little bit like, cause you know,
it's rare that we at fake doctors, real friends have people
like this on our show. You know what I mean? It was that was it was amazing.
Daniel, what are your thoughts? What do you think, Daniel?
I think he's a very smart guy. You know, I think his takes are, you know, is, I think
it's just a very good honest look at the world. And I think it's an important take. I also
think it's imbued with a little bit of humility
about being willing to change
and being willing to look at the world
and admit that some things are not as you perceive them
and also not as they used to be.
I think you spoke a lot about that
with how Congress is full of people that are old.
We have these great phones that we all love.
We need laws around them.
And that is just normal.
And I thought that was something that I really
appreciated about what he was talking about.
I hope that one day that there's a younger Congress
that can get their head around that.
It seems to me that because of the average age
of the people in Congress, it's not something
they fully understand or see why regulation is so necessary for children.
I'm not very astute when it comes to politics and laws being passed, but when was the last that that not the not the not the Supreme Court but
Congress and the Senate passed were able to agree on a law. Oh
I don't know. It was probably the blast budget. I guess I mean, you know, they pass stuff outside outside
Yeah, well that I'd have to look up. I do not know
What are they doing? Well, that I'd have to look up. I do not know. Nothing. I don't know.
What are they doing there?
What are they doing there then?
Arguing.
Just fighting.
They argue and then cock block.
Kind of like you and Vegas.
I did not cock block in Vegas, bro.
I had a great time.
That was really interesting.
Thank you audience.
I know this wasn't the funniest of our podcast,
but it was super informative and I hope that you liked it.
Again, check out his Ted Talk.
It's pretty impressive and he's so smart.
He has great ideas on accumulating wealth too.
So just, I mean, if that's something you're into.
Not only does he have the algebra of wealth,
but there was one I think called the algebra of happiness.
Yeah, I read that one.
I recommend that one too, the Algebra of Happiness.
The New York Times called him
the Howard Stern of the business world.
He's a fascinating guy.
All right, Donald, I love you.
I love you too.
I had such a great time this weekend, man.
Thank you so much.
I'm glad you came to Vegas.
Thank you for saying yes, even was I just learned that it was
obviously you didn't get written out of scrubs. No that was what my wife thought would happen you know how dark she gets she goes she goes real
dark with it. Yeah anyway I'm glad I'm glad you came even though it was out of
fear of there being a scrubs version without you. That wasn't me, that was my wife.
All right.
Five, six, seven, eight.
Here's some stories about a show we made
about a bunch of docs and nurses
and a Canada who loved making acid.
Here's your stories that you all should know.
So gather round to hear our, gather round to hear our, scrubs rewatch show with Zach
and Donno.
Hey Bo.
Hey Matt.
Can you believe we have a whole bunch of wicked episodes coming up?
Oh I can't wait to share all of these amazing episodes with the Readers, KDs, Publishers,
and Finalists.
That's right, we're talking all things behind bringing this iconic musical
to the big screen.
And of course, we're taking you inside the world
of this epic movie with all the exclusive details
you won't hear anywhere else.
It's Wicked in a way you've never heard before.
Don't miss it.
And be sure to go watch Wicked in theaters
starting November 22nd.
Listen to Las Culturistas on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hey y'all, I'm Maria Fernanda Diaz.
When You're Invisible is my love letter to the working class people and immigrants who shaped me.
Season 2 shares stories about community and being underestimated.
All the greatest changes have happened when a couple of people said,
this sucks, let's do something about it.
We get paid to serve you, but we're made out of the same things. It's rare to have black male
teachers sometimes I am the testament. Listen to When You're Invisible on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The impact of a meal goes well beyond feeding our
bodies because feeling full can sound like this. How did the interview go? I did it!
I got the job!
I can't believe it!
And like this.
Mom!
I got first place at the science fair
with my volcano project!
That's amazing, sweetie.
Congratulations!
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Hey fam, I'm Simone Boyce.
I'm Danielle Robay.
And we're the hosts of The Bright Side,
the podcast from Hello Sunshine that's guaranteed
to light up your day.
Check out our recent episode with actor,
former Beverly Hills 90210 star and podcast host, Jenny Garth.
You have to learn to live with yourself
and allow yourself to be devastated sometimes.
You can get through it, and there is always
something on the
other side that's waiting for you.
Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple
Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.