Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - Real Friends Classic: 116 - My Heavy Meddle With John C. McGinley

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

On this week's episode of Scrubs, JD struggles to watch his mentor succumb to the pressures of the job. In the real world, Zach and Donald are once again joined by the great John C. McGinley.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Go ahead. I love it when you come on. You know why? Because you come prepared. You're like, you're as prepared as Donald and I. You're like, you're wound up. Well, I am. Look, going back and watching this, first of all, it's hard not to feel really proud of it.

Yeah. And this one I thought deserved some backdrop because the one last week, 115, is a spectacular episode. Zach, you're particularly great in that episode with Sarah. Then the monologues with the Shrink let the whole ensemble just shine. I busted my ass on those monologues because the writing was astonishing. You notice there's no cuts. We were clearly all told that they'd be wonders. Yeah, especially since Donald knew it.

So we were clearly all told that there would be no cuts. But what I thought was really interesting and maybe interesting for people listening is a little bit of context. And what I mean is, because in this episode episode it became clear to me just how gelled the ensemble is, whether it's Kenny and Judy, you and me, Zachy, Donald and Sarah, the thing is just watertight and the reason is because I think, now as we discussed already, 9-11 had already occurred. We're around about the middle of December here.

What happened in New York, which I'll circle this back, was the New York Yankees lost the World Series in seven games to the Arizona Diamondbacks. The only reason that's relevant is because they lost, there was no ticker tape parade in New York City. We were invited to the Thanksgiving parade in New York City. So, we were invited to the Thanksgiving parade in New York City, and it was the first taste of real rock star for all of us, because we worked till Wednesday night,

till about 9.25, and this was a week or two before this episode, and then we were whisked off to LAX, where we occupied the entire front of First Class. There was only one other person, there were only one other, and it was a boy band, it was like O-Town or something like that. We shared First Class, it was the cast of Scrubs and O-Town. I remember this. It might as well have been a private plane.

It wasn't, but it was First Class. It wasn't Coach, it wasn't Business Class, it was first class and we were going to New York to participate in the Thanksgiving day parade. Now remember there had been no mass gatherings allowed in New York since that Tuesday morning in September. There's just wasn't allowed. The Yankees were supposed to be there, but they weren't. So we fly overnight and you guys can chime in, but we fly overnight. you guys can chime in but we fly overnight We go we're deposited at some chapel on the Upper West Side somewhere. We didn't even go to the hotel We just they dropped us off at the freaking parade

Yeah, we were like lying on the on the ground in the chapel to absolutely yeah, and we got sideways on the plane Yeah Sideways. As you do. And then we got up, and Zachy, I think you brought your nephew onto the float. Yes, yeah I did. And it was a quasi-racist kind of Pocahontas float. And behind us-

I think they've gotten rid of some of those since then, I think, yeah, but I think- Absolutely. I think ours was. But here's of those since then, I think. Absolutely. I think ours wasn't. But here's the Scrubs cast in a quasi-racist Pocahontas float on the Upper West Side in the staging area, and who pulls up behind us but the Wiggles in the big red car? Now, I had gone to Wiggles concerts with my son every time they were in Los Angeles for the last couple of years.

I was eating, sleeping, and drinking the Wiggles. So I got off the float and I went back to the big red car and introduced myself to Murray and Jeff and I introduced myself to everybody and I became friends with the Wiggles and I am to this day. You hang out with the Wiggles still? Not really, but I did a video for them and they became my friends. They're great educators. My memory, sorry to interrupt one second, Johnny. My memory is that my nephew was a very outspoken kid

and not shy at all. And I don't know how old he was, but he was little. And we were- He had to be like nine, dude. No, younger, younger, younger. He was a little kid. And so Al Roker, we're off the float at one point and Al Roker is interviewing us and he goes,

and I'm here with the cast of Scrubs, and I've got Johnny C. McGinley, Donald Faison, he's going around introducing the whole cast, and my nephew, and this is live television, and my nephew goes, what about me? And Al Roker, it's awkward, and Al Roker ignores him, and starts, so tell us about the show, and interrupts him again. What about me?

Stop. And finally Al feels bad enough that he's like, oh, I'm sorry young man, you're right. And what's your name? And then he introduces himself. But I was like, it was my first- Wasn't he throwing gang signs too? Like wasn't Jugga throwing gang signs?

He didn't know any real gang signs, but he had seen on TV how rappers and whomever throw gang signs, so we're on the float and he's throwing these almost gang signs. When I spoke to Al Roker after he cut, I said, how is this for a turnout? He said, this will be the largest turnout in the history of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. I said, well, give me an estimate. He said said there'll be about three and a half million people here And so every time we went through an intersection and I'll wrap the story up in a minute

But every time we went down an intersection you could see it was a hundred to two hundred people deep at every intersection I've never seen that many people. I never will in my life Yeah, it was that, I remember being like, wow, there are so many people here. And we were on the float, and every, you're right, every time we passed an intersection, it looked like it went so deep into the intersection. I remember thinking, how are all of these people,

it was like sardines too, like they were packed together. Because nobody had been allowed to gather since that Tuesday. Another thing I remember is that my nephew was on the float and I thought, oh, this will be fun for him. He was bored in 30 seconds, right? And I was like, oh, fuck, I got to take care of this kid for a whole parade. Yeah, we had to, it's all the way from Uptown all the way to Macy's. Yeah. And he's throwing his gang signs for a while and then he got bored of that. And then there was like an upstairs in the float, I don't know if it was like, it was

like in Pocahontas' head or something. Well, no, it was a multi-tiered ship. That was a boat. Yeah. But even like in the non outside area, there was some spot he found and then he went up there and he found bubble wrap. And I was like, okay, fucking bubble rap will

entertain him for a little while. Then he got over the, he was stomping on the bubble wrap and I was like, this, I bubble wrap will entertain him for a little while. Then he got over the bubble, he was stomping on the bubble wrap and I was like, I'm never having kids. This is like the worst. What about me? My only point bringing this up and I'll circle it back was that, and also remember a couple of weeks earlier, actually about a month earlier, we had been picked up for the back nine. And we ran around the hospital with our huds cut off. That meant you had paychecks until May, the first week of May or so. Because in TV, you only get paid for episodes produced.

Let's explain to people who don't know. The show was picked up for the first 13 episodes and they kind of see how you do in the ratings and Then if you do well enough in the ratings you get the rest of the order which which is In in in business talk is called the back nine meaning you get the you get nine more episodes Yeah, we had been given that news about a month earlier and we ran around the hospital like we'd won the Stanley Cupers I remember I remember that yeah like we'd won the Stanley Cupers. I remember vividly. I remember that, yeah, dude, yeah.

And my only point in this is that between getting picked up and now about 15 or 16 episodes into it, and I can see it in this episode as we'll discuss, but the ensemble is watertight. Whether it meant going on a trip together or getting picked up, people are starting to vibe off each other, and it's as clear as day when I was watching it. It's as clear.

What Donald and Sarah are doing, as you guys know, I think the camera is an x-ray machine, and it sees through all the bullshit. And what they're doing together, there's zero bullshit. And what Zach is doing at the end with Sarah in that, on that cot, there's no bullshit. It's just tight and right, and I just, oh, I gotta chill. It just, there's no bullshit. It's just tight and right. And I just, oh, I gotta chill.

It just, it really got me. You gave me a chill too, because I gotta tell you, I didn't remember in that scene with Sarah what happened. I didn't know if it was gonna turn romantic. I didn't know if I cried. I couldn't remember. And I was actually moved by the two of us because nothing happens.

Like you- I agree, I agree. Like would happen in real life. In the movies we'd kiss, in the movies I'd break down and cry, but in real life two friends might just sit there in silence for a minute. And I just thought that was beautifully done. I think it's the real privilege of friendship

when nothing does happen. So that I don't have to demonstrate to you anything and you don't have to demonstrate anything you anything and you don't have to demonstrate anything to me. And real friendship is when stuff is allowed and it's a tricky verb to settle. And you guys let it settle in front of the lens and as we'll discuss, Will McKenzie, he just let the scene play and the two actors, it's really lovely. And on a prime time comedy, it's spectacular it's spectacular uh should we start the show? yeah but we should start the show but I think Johnny

because of that beautiful prologue should should have the honor of counting this into the song Johnny please five six seven eight So I've been using this Scrubs Wiki, Johnny, that gives us... What is Scrubs Wiki? I've heard you reference it. By the way, you guys are killing this podcast. While we're having a lot of fun. What is Scrubs Wiki? Scrubs Wiki is...

If you just put in Scrubs Wiki into the Google machine, it brings you up this thing that I guess multiple fans or one fan has curated. It's on a website called fandom.com. I guess it's a place where fans can collect trivia and share stories and you know, it's a fan site. But someone, and I'm thinking it might be one person, has put a lot of work into this because every episode it has the synopsis, it has recurring themes, it has guest stars,

it has the most famous quotes, and it has trivia from each episode. And today, and I often reference it, and today I went to look at the trivia, and the first line of trivia, it says, "'Hi Zach!' exclamation point. "'Glad you're enjoying Scrubs Wiki. "'Have me on the podcast?' question mark.

"'Have Joel, search for my email.'" Wow. So I've been discovered by the curator of Scrubs Wiki as an avid fan, but I will have Joel seek you out. And I have to tell you, you've done a fantastic job because it's very useful. I can find out all sorts of trivia, like Kelso mentions Baxter for the very first time in this episode.

There's a lot of trivia in here. There's a lot of interesting stuff. So I think, yeah, Joel says she's going to track him down. And this fella knows a lot about Scrubs, so I think it might be fun to have him on. We can try and stump him. Well, let me get to you at early on at a minute or two in, you and Sarah in the batting cage. You, Zach. Yeah. Why am I? Why is JD at the batting cage? No, well, it's as Donald was, Donald knows, no one says you don't even play sports. There's no, no one's ever said that in the history of the English language, which is

great writing and you deliver it like you really know sports. But you and Sarah in there, you redeem yourself from early on when you get bricks dropped on your head and you anticipated it. You don't anticipate the bean ball in this. No sir. And neither does Sarah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I gotta tell you I'm like a minute. Yeah, we did I did not flinch I was not gonna let that happen again Johnny from that from that break incident Happen again and it and it and it's hard to you know to anticipate a to not anticipate a softball being thrown at your head Well, you both did it and it as result, it's Charlie Chaplin funny. But why is JD at the batting gauges?

He's not even with Turk. It'd be one thing if he's with Turk. Turk made me come. I'm alone at the batting gauges? Yeah. Neither one of you play sports. Neither one of you play baseball. Neither one of you.

Neither one. Not a chance. In real life too. I think Sarah, in high school, Sarah was on the shot put team. Who's on the shot put team? I've never heard Sarah talk about a single sport. Have you? Oh, ski. She's a good snowboarder. She's a damn good snowboarder, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's Canadian. I think that's a rule up there. You gotta be able to ski

or snowboard. But she... Yeah, I just didn't understand that bit of writing. Mike Schwartz, we should say, who's the writer of this episode, along with, as Johnny mentioned, Will McKenzie, who is a incredible director and directed everybody's, a lot of people's favorite episode, the musical episode. Will McKenzie is famous on set for the way he says action. Yeah. And cut.

Yeah. Do it, do you remember Johnny? Cut. He does cut, but he also does this. Donald's coming into the room. That's right. He talks into it. That's right. He sums up the scene. He's like, okay, and here comes Donald and he's mad about what Carla just did and action.

This is Ankaaz. I think he's directed a zillion sitcoms too. I mean, he was, you know, he's a legendary TV director. He is, or I think he's retired I imagine now, but he is just a legend. And a pretty good tennis player, apparently. Very good tennis. Really? Yeah, that's what I heard. That's what you heard.

I heard Will can make it so you're running around while he's standing in one place. There were a lot of directors that when you showed up on set on Monday morning, you saw who it was and you just had a big old smile on your face. 100%. And Will McKenzie was always one of those guys for all of us. He just felt like a grandfather figure because he was an older guy but he had so much experience and he had a big old smile on his face and I just I love that guy. Also in this

in this episode some of the I don't know how to say this some of the peripheral characters whether it's Sammy which I'll get to in a minute or Neil as the janitor get to really shine. Yeah. And and janitor in it, I guess, I think 103, when he says girl problems, and then you say, and then the cocks says, I'd say they're a beat cup, and the button is, at least they're real. Yeah.

Laugh out loud. I'm stealing Zach's laugh out loud. I did, I laughed out loud at that, man. And you know, because it's funny because, you know, we keep fucking with Bill Jarty because he's, he's hanging on by his fingernails to this old lore that the janitor barely talked to anybody in season one. And, and he was still deciding by the time he started season two, if he was going to make the janitor solely a figment of JD's imagination.

He's not still hanging on the back. He is. He is. Yes, he is. Yes. He is. He is. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. And every episode, the janitor's talking to a different castmate. And Donald and I joked that we're like detectives being like, well, how would Bill possibly rationalize this one? And again, Bill would say, well, he's not interacting with Johnny C. If he's a figment

of JD's imagination, he hears what Cox says and just builds on it. But also, and I'm going to keep circling back with this, you can see, and in this case it's just a simple clean scene. Donald and Zach at 209, when you take the phone call from your mom and you find out about Mr. Peters, you two are just, it's in Carpentry, it's called Tongue and Groove. You guys are just effortless, and it sets up the whole scene. There's a ton of expository stuff in it,

and it's just effortless. And the scene plays, and it's only because of what you guys had become in those, I guess, 17 or 18 weeks by then. Yeah, I remember, well, I don't remember any of this episode except for the handshake. And I had no idea. And when we did the handshake, I had no clue what Sarah and I, like, I thought it was something that Sarah and I made up on set, and it turned into something in the scene.

But I think we made it up for the scene and it turned into something that we did on set. You know what I mean? Yeah, we saw this handshake, Johnny and I had to endure this handshake get longer and longer. I think by the end of nine years, it took them an hour and a half to do the handshake.

And that was just to say hello to each other. Yeah. During the Vietnam War, I found out it was called a DAP. A D-A-P. We were dappin' it up. You would dapp somebody. But wait, now Donald, you don't remember During the Vietnam War, I found out it was called a DAP. A D-A-P. Really? We were dappin' it up. You would dapp somebody.

But wait, now Donald, you don't remember if you guys were just fuckin' around and made this up and then put it in the show or it was written that- I think it came from the handshake in the show. I think our handshake, we made it up for the show and then it turned into something that we did all the time when we saw each other. But that, once again, is what I'm talking about. It's effortless Doesn't did you just complete with totally long and and then you guys throw it away and go right into the scene and that's

later on but It's I was so struck by so many of these vignettes. Yeah completely tongue-in-groove. Yeah, I agree man. And Donald, did you make that up or did Sarah contribute? Like it's pretty great. Some of it I made up. A lot of it I know I made up because it's... It has rhythm to it, that's why. Well, there's that. And then there's also... Yeah, but Sarah could do all that stuff. Yes, she could. It was also a, like, what is it that,

remember how we were talking about the color purple and when Celie and her sister are broken up and they're doing the hand, what is it? The patty cake, patty cake thing. Yeah. So it also has a little bit of that in it where it's like, where we slap each other's hand. I don't know, man I know is yeah no that

thing was made up for for this episode and then it turned into I like I like what Johnny said too that you kind of go into this elaborate thing and then you just kind of go into the scene like nothing happened it's as though you just did a high five I thought that was good have you ever wondered if your pet is lying to you why is my cat not here and I go in and she's eating my lunch or if hypnotism is real? You will use this suggestion in order to enhance your cognitive control. But what's inside a black hole? Black holes could be a consequence of the way that we understand the universe. Well, we have answers for you in the new iHeart original podcast, Science Stuff. Join me, Jorge Cham, as we tackle

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I was really struck by what was happening in front of the lens and what the writers did and Then in three minutes, there's this great walk-and-talk between Zackie and Cox and the writers let Cox be this fierce fierce patient advocate and It grounds him in a way that it's just genius because it gives him license to then go do what he's about to go do which is destroy a lab. Now this is the first time we really see Cox have this raw motion Johnny I think that you know we had seen him be upset there's the episode where he's where he's just saying JD you need to have a life. I have no fucking life.

But this is the first time we see how much pain this man has and how dedicated he is to his profession. So I just talk a little about that. And of course, destroying this lab. With Pappert in the background. Charles Pappert, Charles Pappert, our Steadicam operators back is one of the lab techs. But I mean, do you remember that day, trashing that lab? That must have been cathartic.

I do. And I had been lucky enough in 1994, and lucky is in italics, to have been with Michael Kane, your actor in your lovely movie, up in Valdez, Alaska and with Stephen Seagal directing an epic movie for Warner Brothers called On Deadly Ground. Stephen was the director and I got to destroy a house and halfway through it I find a petrified walrus penis which is called an usic and so I... Whoa, whoa, whoa slow down you're gonna not make you can't rush you can't the listeners have the petrified walrus penis, which is called an usic. And so I... Whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. You're going to not make...

Right? You can't rush, you can't... Hold on. The listeners have questions. How did you find a pet... Don't worry, we're going to get back to destroying the lab, everybody. How did you know that it was a petrified walrus penis? I asked...

There's this long phallus, and I asked the production designer, I said, what's this? And he goes, well, it's a long phallus, and I asked the production designer, I said, what's this? And he goes, well, it's a petrified walrus penis. And he said, God Almighty, just call action and get on my eye line. I repeated it. If you don't think that's coming in the frame, you're out of your mind.

Look out, everybody. And so, what my takeaway from destroying a house, just destroying it, was go slow. If you destroy a house or a lab too fast, the camera doesn't get it. It's just like, as Donald definitely knows, either taking or throwing a punch in front of the lens. If you go too fast, the camera doesn't see it. It's the same with destroying a room.

You've got to go slow and it's funny Billy Who will ramp it up to high speed for the throw through the window because otherwise that stuff happens too fast and You don't get it. Yeah, and I'm sure Zack as a filmmaker, you know, you Unless you cover a fight or destroying something Pretty meticulously the lens misses it. So my only thought in destroying that lab was take your time. Yeah. When I watched that, I was like, how much trouble would Dr. Cox be in if he were to

do that? And how much money did he just throw out the window by doing all of that? I was thinking the same thing. I thought the same thing too. I thought like, do they have some system or no one's going to tell Kelso because I mean, Carla implies that he freaks out at least once a year. Right. And I was like, does everyone sort of protect him? Because you know, in the real world of a hospital, he'd be in a phenomenal amount of trouble for this. Yeah, I couldn't... That was the first thing I thought.

Then I thought when Carlos said he does this once a year, I was like, holy shit. Yo, Cox is, you know, it's clear that he's in pain, but he's in like a lot of pain. And to build it up to be able to just damage thousands of dollars of equipment, you know what I mean? You have to really be on that level of, fuck it, I don't care anymore. I just don't care anymore.

He clearly doesn't care. But they also really need cocks. You know, cocks is- Everybody needs cocks. You're absolutely right. Whoa, look what you just said, Donald. That came out a little different. You're gonna pull over there, Donald.

You're going 55 and a 30. I'm gonna, that's gonna be my new ringtone. Donald yelling, everybody needs cocks. In the hospital, in the hospital, everybody needs cocks. And I met the character. And then, and then at, at 439, we get to see the janitor do medical jargon Yeah, yeah, and he kills it. Yeah. Yeah, I remember, you know that Neil audition for your part

You know that trivia right Johnny, of course, but I mean he's such a spectacular actor But I'd never seen him do you gotta remember all medical jargon is Latin based So when you really get into it, you're just talking Latin. And so for the janitor just to peel out some Latin crushed me. By the way, I wondered if, I think that might be the only time the janitor is ever in our apartment. I was going to ask that. We should ask Bill if he remembers putting the janitor in the apartment at any point.

Okay. Donald has pulled the lever for an ask Bill, Joelle. Bill, you're not gonna remember. I bet the guy on Wiki Scrubs knows better than you, but we're gonna ask you. By the way, you know what we should do? We should also, Joelle, that's what we should do with that guy. We should have an ask Bill button,

but we should have an also ask the Scrubs Wiki guy. Oh, that's genius. Because he knows, he's the keeper of the trivia more than Bill. Bill's gonna be like, I don't know, five, six, seven, eight. Bill has found his, what you talking about Willis, Johnny, he's found his catchphrase. So now he just says five, and the fans think it's hilarious. It is hilarious.

He starts the theme song and Donald and I have to stop the damn thing. So anyway, Joelle, when we talk to that guy, when we find him, let's ask him if we can ask him Scrubs trivia. But for now, since we only have Bill, Bill, do you think this is the only time that the janitor is ever in our apartment, even though it's a fantasy? Neil, I'm going by memory here, guys, but Neil Flynn was in Turk and JD's apartment when there was a fantasy about him being a doctor and I believe he returns to try and fix their air conditioning or pipes or something in a later season.

But I think he was only there twice except once I think it was implied that he was there a third time that he and dr. Cox Moved JD's bed somewhere and they did it together Thank You Bill and and once again at 549 when when Kenny and when Kelso and and and Jude are together They're butter. They're total butter. Oh gosh, yeah. They're butter.

Now, how about Judy? They're great. How about Judy? So first Judy, I noticed, cause this is funny tracking when we shot this in 2001, that Judy says, I gotta get a tape deck, which I thought was funny. And then when she brings it in,

it's actually a CD player. It's just funny. Even now you think you realize that you're you're definitely good Jackie show dude, that's very good because I did not pick up on that well I caught her so I caught her saying tape deck and then my brain went there's no way it was cassettes I remember it was at least CDs and And then and I guess that was just still in it. I'm imagining in 2001 We were still using the expression tape deck, like, oh, get a tape deck. And I have a question for you on the heels of that.

When Kenny says, like Motley Crue and Winger, my son's a bit of a headbanger, first of all, the crush me. And second of all, is that the first time, first of many, when he refers to his son, who turns out is just a cavalcade of eccentricities. A cavalcade of eccentricities is a great title for a screenplay. But that is funny.

The Scrubs Wiki said it's the first time he mentions Baxter. I don't know if it's the first time his son comes up, but this might be the first time his son comes up in terms of being a cavalcade of eccentricities. His son, it turns out, is the single most tortured person on the planet. I know, and we never got to meet him. And we never met his wife. I think it was Enid, right?

Yeah, but it's so much better. It's so much better. No, it was all, remember on Cheers when you never saw, what's her name? Cliff's family. No, I think it was Norm's wife, Vera, we never saw. Joelle gave me the thumbs up, am I right, Joelle? Wow, well played, Zach. Well played, Zach.

The bartender would always alley-oop him, see, sports reference, and then he'd have a one-liner and dunk it, if you will. I blew the one-liner because I didn't remember it. Vera does make an appearance on Cheers, I guess. Really? And then well, I want to. Joel, did you go on the Cheers Wiki and find out that Vera does make an appearance on the Thanksgiving Day episode? As you guys as you guys have done so wonderfully,

I I do want to uh look at Sammy for a second who uh is astonishing in this episode. This really is probably his, this probably is, I hate to say it, but probably his first real, I mean other than one-liners, this is the first episode where Sammy really shined as the lawyer. And even when he, and he and Jude together are completely money. Did you guys get goosebumps when they sang together? Yes. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But the first time we see Sammy, he

does this thing with his hand where he puts it way in the back of his skull. Donald and my triceps are too big to even do this. Look at that bicep. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Look at your fucking arms. Look at your arms, man. To you listeners out there, I want you to know this guy is still fucking ripped

He's got bigger biceps than than anyone. I I know I think are you still doing a lot of paddle surfing? Yeah, every day every day you paddle surf. Yeah, Johnny the baseball field Johnny Johnny you are let me say something you got like that. Mr. Miyagi body where it's like you're doing you know active You know everything is for purpose. I'm I've row I row a Board in the ocean. I'm using my hands to build I thought you were saying I thought you were saying he had the body of Pat Morita and I was like no he does not But when I wax on wax off the first time we see Sammy He's got that hand over his head and then the button on the scene with Judy is he goes careful. I've been hurt before

Yeah, oh my god me. He has a cup of me. He loves Judy. He loves Carla He loves Carla hugs him and he's like don't let go And well that's later on and's like, don't let go. Well that's later on and for those who don't know, asides, when you keep an aside real, it's almost impossible because if you don't do it right, you come off as a crazy person because you're talking to yourself. And Sammy does it with careful, I've been hurt before and then when he and Judy get back together later on he is two that are genius he says she knows she knows your name yeah he says to himself and then he says don't let go and drop me and I can't tell you

technically how hard that is yeah he has one more when he's like I love you and she turns around like what's like, what? And he goes right back to the song. Yeah. But that song you got, I mean, we're jumping all over the place, but that song moment was so beautiful. And I forgot, I apologize to the universe that I forgot how pretty Judy's voice is. Me too.

And she slays. And it's beautiful. And their harmonies, I mean, Sammy, we knew because Sam was an amazing singer and it was in a a cappella group, but the two of them together, their harmonies were just, I got goosebumps all over my body. Yeah. Now, let me ask you something, Zachy.

Yes. And I could see you ringing this one out as hard as you could. Was this Billy or you on Beakers? Beakers, it's probably me. You were ringing everything out of that. I know, there's certain words that are just funny. Beakers.

I think it was probably not in the script because that wouldn't probably have been funny on the page, but I was probably just riffing words that sounded funny. And we should say it's the first appearance of Franklin, played by Masioka. Yeah, I was about to say Masi. Oh. Before he went on to be a time-traveling star of Heroes. Right. He was the star of the show Heroes. Yeah. Wow.

And I think this was his first juicy gig. He recurred as Franklin. For a while. He's very good. Yeah, he was funny. Hugging his favorite microscope so that you didn't destroy it. And then at eight minutes we go to what I referenced earlier is Sarah and Donald. And it's what I started this whole thing off with. However this ensemble gelled, whether it was just time or traveling together and getting into

it, you guys are effortless. All right, but let's go a little bit back, Johnny. You're going too fast. First of all, oh dear Lord, please tell me that's not a onesie. Oh God. And now Dr. Cox says, first of all, I'm wearing a onesie, which I love a onesie. I don't wear a onesie to bed, but man, when I have a ones onesie which I love a onesie I don't wear a onesie to bed but man when I have a onesie on do I love a onesie and I guess JD really loved one because he wears it to the bar with you and then Cox

pulls over the two ladies to flirt okay before you go past what I had but that's it that's at 1128 I'm an eight I. I'm the onesie occurs at 7.06. Oh, okay. But go ahead, Donald. Mint tea. First of all, what were y'all drinking in your shots if that was mint tea? No, the toothbrush was mint tea. Oh, still from the after you dipped it in the...

I don't know. It doesn't track, I guess you're right, because the toothpaste would have been off of it. That shit was hilarious. And then right after that, yuck, yuck, yuck. Yeah. You know what I was thinking of? Do you remember, I don't know if you remember this, Donald, but John, you definitely remember

Easy Rider when Everett Nicholson would do a shot. He would just say a random word, because the shot was so bad in Easy Rider. He'd do the shot, and he'd go, ah. But he would say a random word, because the shot was so bad in Easy Rider. He'd do the shot and he'd go, he'd go, ah! But he would say like a random word that would like help him recover from how bad the shot was. And that's what I was thinking of when I did it. I was like, yuck!

Ah! Trying so hard to be manly in front of Cox, but I'm in a onesie with a toothbrush. I thought it was funny when you go yucky and then the writers give Cox, oh great, I'm drinking with a mouseketeer. Ah ha ha ha. Like I said, I didn't remember this episode at all,

so I never knew that you guys had a wingman situation going on, the two of you. What happened, I know that one girl blows it because she's talking about her ex-boyfriend. What happened to the girl you were talking to? Well, I don't think Cox gives a flying fuck about the women. He's just like, here, Cox is like, here, you want a reason to stay here? Talk to these girls. I'm going to go. And then JD is like, okay, now you're talking. And he tries to hit on that one woman, but she's just rambling and rambling and rambling.

The hangman's noose is hilarious. Yeah. It's kind of stolen from airplane though. It doesn't matter. Nobody remembers airplane. It's absolutely hilarious. Well, I remember airplane. I know, but we're dinosaurs.

No, but I think there's a moment in a moment in Airplane when someone's doing a long speech about their past and you cut back and the passenger next to him has hung himself and he's swinging. Anyway. I think it's really interesting after the two girls leave and JD and Cox are alone. I don't remember Cox being that broken. Yeah, he's really broken. That's what I was going to say. He's so broken, dude. He's so broken. Yeah, he's really broken. That's what I was gonna say. He's so broken, dude. He's so broken.

Well, it's like once a year, Carla says, once a year, he pretty much has a breakdown. And I went back, and I went back, as I told you guys, I keep composition books, and it's kinda how I learned my lines.

And in the margins, I wrote notes to myself. And in that, the first gig, I'll digress for a second, the first gig I got to get at NYU was to understudy John Titoro in Danny and the Deep Blue Sea over at Circle Rep, which was maybe, I lived on Sullivan Street and Circle was on Bleecker, so it was maybe a half a block from my house.

I understudied John and I was the assistant stage manager, so I helped call the lights and I made up the actors, but I had keys to the theater. Because it's just a two-hander, a two-hander means just two actors on stage, it was Jun Stein and John. John went to do Desperately Seeking Susan after about eight months. It's eight shows a week off Broadway and he wouldn't go down. It's a very violent play. I had the keys to the theater, so every day I would walk and do circles on the stage

because I had the keys, and I would do both actors' parts out loud a couple times a day. And this was all fear-based. And the game has- You were afraid, sorry, Johnny, you were afraid that you might have to go on and you didn't want it.

Yes, I was scared to death. Yeah, I get it. And John finally went to go do Desperately Seeking Susan, which every actor in New York wanted to be in. I got to take over for him for about a week. There's a line that Danny has at the end of the play where he says, everything hurts. I worked backwards in that play from everything hurts. What that must mean for someone to actually say that, that everything

hurts. And I gave it to Cox in this, that when we see him, there's that long profile shot of Cox that Will stays on and everything hurts. And it resonates and it's nothing said, it's underneath and Zackey's so lovely in the scene, but I just think the guy's broken. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's so incredibly committed to this job, which is endlessly frustrating for him.

Not only what would be normal, dealing with so much death and pain, but that this hospital, this hospital that it seems is barely surviving with its finances. And he opens the episode walking around and I noticed that Will made sure that the ceiling panels were all fucked up. I don't know if you noticed that, but when you're looking around being like, everything is here is fucking broken, I'm so sick of it.

And in that very walk and talk moment, you're seeing like the ceilings all fucked up and he's just so frustrated, I imagine, with trying to save lives with no support, with no gear. Like so many, by the way, like so many doctors and nurses and people must be feeling now with the lack of PPE they had with COVID. I think it's really interesting

what you were just referencing, that the writers don't even have Cox reference it as The hospital or the name of the hospital he he just calls it that place He can't even he doesn't even want it in his mouth and he says I can't I can't go back to that place Yeah, and then JD at least feels like wow. He I don't know what to do. He broke down. What are we gonna do? And Carl is like, oh no, he just does that once a year. He'll be fine today. And I'm like, there's no way he's going to be fine. And you come in like, hey, what is going to be a great

day? I stole that from my brother's friend, Chip Humphrey, who lives in Atlanta now. He used to always go around and go, it's a great day. I put that one right in my back pocket. You were so funny. All right, wait. Yes, we're going to take a break. We always forget because we're having so much fun. We'll be right back. Have you ever wondered if your pet is lying to you? Why is my cat not here? And I go in and she's eating my lunch.

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And we're back! See, Donald, you're giving the people what they want, which is the mm-hmm. They asked for it, so I might as well give it to them, man. Lot of chatter, lot of chatter on, we gotta just digress for a moment. So much chatter on Instagram about the washcloth conversation. Well, that was a conversation that was real deal, Holyfield, man. Johnny, do you use a washcloth in the shower? We need to know.

My wife wanted to make sure that before we get into Johnny using the washcloth, she wanted you guys all to know that yes, you are supposed to get rid of the washcloth after you use it that one time. Right. Period. But you don't. I do. My wife wanted to, my wife wanted me to-. But you don't. I do.

My wife wanted to, my wife wanted me to- No, you don't. You don't. Your wife was like, you better fucking tell them we changed the washcloths. There are too many fucking people listening to this podcast, Donald. You better tell them we changed the washcloth.

I'm telling you right now, we changed the washcloths, baby. I told everybody- Baby, see, I told everybody, baby. Taken care of. It's not like she listens to the show anyway. Bobby, see, I told everybody, baby. Taking care of. It's not like she listens to the show anyway. If you want, we can have Dan go back and re-edit that sentence into the original washcloth debate.

It's out there. It's out there. Jesus, that was funny. Well, I just want you to know, in that episode, we were talking about both what kind of merch we should have and the washcloth debate. And so now my whole Instagram feed was like, how about merch that says Team Washcloth on a washcloth?

So somebody said and now look man if you know me this is how I am But listen, I accumulate a lot of spit in my mouth when I talk So some so sometimes I might when I'm talking right listen Asshole that's how I talk. All right, accept it I just did it again and if you got a problem with it, you can kiss my ass. All right Maybe which of course for for avid lizards, begs the question, which instructor did Donald have today? I know.

Yes. Because he just went into aggressive guy. You're right, Johnny. Good call. I just need to protect how I sound on this thing. Everybody had a problem with me saying, you know what I mean, and now somebody's talking about the way I slurp when I'm done with my sentences. Slurp. Why the way I slurp when I'm done with my sentences.

Slurp. By the way, slurp. By the way, you know, they have those fancy spit guards for the mic we could get you, right? Dan, you know, there's like a little circle that goes in front of the mic so you don't have to be spitting all over it. I'm in my house. I don't need to do any of that.

All right. Well, why don't you reach behind you and dab your mouth with some sweatpants? Sweatpants are fuck you dude. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Well anyway, it's just fun to see that so many people are engaging and we love to hear from you, especially when it's debating things.

We're debating here, because I love seeing people weigh in and be like, I'm Team Washcloth and I'm from the South. I was about to say right right well a lot of white people that got on the on the thing like yo I do use a washcloth but I am from the south so and then some women want me like Zach you can put a loofah between your cheeks you just have to make sure you wash it they're washable and I'm not I'm still not gonna put a scratchy loofa between my cheeks. Johnny are you team washcloth or team no washcloth? It's funny I use washcloths at hotels. But not at home? But not at home well I just surf I just I just there's a shower I put in outside the building and I just shower out there and so no there's no washcloths out there. Yeah I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I out there. Yeah, I- I- I- But in hotels you use the washcloths. You know why he does?

They're there! You know why he does? Because he doesn't have to worry about cleaning that fucking poo- poo stain up. That- that also is a problem for me, Zach. I have a problem with your poo stain story now. Why? Why? Dude.

You're rehashing some shit right now, no pun intended. Do you have itchy butt like all day? Also Donald, do you- Hold on! Do you have itchy butt all the time? No, you still don't understand what I'm saying. There's no way I do understand what you're saying. I don't have poo.

If I were to swipe the washcloth down the outside of my balloon knot, there'd be no poo on it. But if I were to dig a quarter inch, there'd be some remnants. Why are you digging in your ass? Because that's what I feel the purpose of the washcloth is. I have a washcloth as my interface between me and my rectum, and I can dig a little. I can be aggressive. Check my prostate while I'm in there. Do you guys not have the magic toilet seat that does the spray? Oh, I wish I had a bidet.

Lucky, I wish I had a bidet. Oh, it's a seat. It's a seat you put on your toilet. No, it's a seat. It's not even a bidet. Lucky, I wish I had a bidet. I'm going to get you one of those, Donal. Oh, it's a seat. It's a seat you put on your toilet. No, it's a seat. It's not even a bidet. It's the most genius thing on the planet. We got them at the design center at some invited event that we went to. Yeah, yeah. It just blasts a little. It's like a water pick for your anus. It's the single greatest gift on the planet. That's lovely. Donal, I'm going to get you one for Hanukkah.

Can't wait. Well, what you have to get them with is you also get a contractor to extend a water outlet and electricity to it. Well, that's not coming with my Hanukkah. Well, maybe that'll be the second night. The first night will be the water pick for Uranus, second night contractor. Could we get back to Laverne? Welcome back, Johnny. Welcome back to the the show guys Johnny Johnny. This is what happens

We know by the way when you're into you guys when you're here We can I love that Johnny's already here being like can we get back to the episode which is what I'm the one I'm the one who's always saying that we tried to digress several times and Johnny's like but you know when yeah So too I wanted it. I wanted to, yeah. All right, let's talk about it. I thought in 1252, I thought Billy, Billy likes to take a swipe at Zaki every once in a while. He always has. And, and he, Laverne says, you think so?

With those ears? Yeah. And it's just, and it's just, Zaki goes totally uncalled for. So fucked up. I must have done something that week that he wanted to take me totally uncalled for. So fucked up. I must have done something that week that he wanted to take me down a notch for. 100%. I never really had my ears dissed before. I mean, obviously I have a large nose and I'm used to, you know, anytime a caricature

artist would draw me, it would be like 95% nose. So I'm used to that. But I never really had my ears dissed before Nurse Roberts went after them. Yeah, and she took no small amount of pleasure in doing it, too. No. Red Dawn, 1540. I've never seen Red Dawn.

I don't know anything about Red Dawn. Are you fucking kidding me right now? You've never seen Red Dawn? No. Johnny, did you audition for Red Dawn? John Milius, no. You didn't. I wasn't up to that speed yet.

Well, there's a part in that, well, you're probably way too young. I have no idea what Wolverines means. Please tell us. Okay, so The Russians in Red Dawn. Yeah Attack America. Yeah, Colorado the trivia our trivia friend says there's a mistake in the episode One of you guys says Michigan, but it's actually Colorado Yeah, because Michigan because the Michigan Michigan are the Wolverines the college team Michigan are the Wolverines but it actually takes place in Colorado you're right. And they attack and kids students are the rebellion they wind up being like all

the adults are gathered and put into concentration camps and yeah Harry Dean Stanton yeah C Thomas Howell Charlie Sheen Doesn't hold up. I mean they tried to they tried to remake it and stuff like that. The action is amazing Who's the the older brother? Oh my gosh ghost. Well Patrick Patrick is the hero Patrick Swayze just so many people are in it, right? This is the first movie that Jennifer Grey and Patrick Swayze did together. This is before Dirty Dancing and Leah Thompson. Leah Thompson's in it.

Also, what a cast. A lot of people went on to do other young actors. Yeah, it makes me think of another before you explain more. Taps, we were talking about Taps. You guys remember that? You're good actors. Yeah. A lot of Valley Forge. Valley Forge Military Academy. Yeah, and a lot of amazing actors.

It was their first big thing. Sean, Tom. Yeah, Sean and Tom Cruise. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, go back to the plot of Wolverine. So the kids fight back. The kids and the school that the kids, they're all like on the football team and stuff like that. And the football team of the school

is called the Wolverines. And so when they're in the fight with the Russians, their victory cry is Wolverines. Their battle cry is Wolverines. Like, you know, GI Joe was, yo Joe! Theirs was, Wolverines! Okay, got it. And in the world of scrubs, Elliot knows this movie.

I don't believe it, but I believe I believe I believe Turk knows that I don't believe would know it so therefore JD would know it right But Elliott walks in like uh-huh. I forget the homework assignment. Let's watch Red Dawn. I'm like come on, buddy Again you guys both throw the gesture away And it's great when Zacky comes in and goes here Wolverines And he just throws it away and Sarah does gesture away and it's great when Zachy comes in and goes, you know, Wolverines, and he just throws it away and Sarah does too and it's great. You know, when I was first watching this episode, before I got through it, I was like, what a dick Turk is for inviting my newly ex girlfriend over to do a homework assignment at the fucking

living room table. But he knew it had to be done. Yeah, but then he comes to the right place. There's a great thing later on at 1045 that Donald does this great thing where Sarah goes, you and I can still hang out. And Donald goes, no, he's my best friend. Either you fix it or, and then there's an ellipsis. And for all of us who have had divorced friends

or friends who have broken up, it's the way Donald lays it out. You can't have both. It's just, it's never, you got to be friends with either the husband or the wife. It does, you can't have both. It doesn't work. People always choose a side, don't they? You have to. Yeah. Yeah. There's no in between. You can't stay in between. You can't be like, she's my friend and you're my friend, right?

I worked that way. Right. I got it now now now when so we what we learned is that Turk did it in order to Try and get them to be friends again, right? Well, I think his intentions are really good, but it's so raw. I mean, it's still so new this breakup You know, it's like yeah, but you guys are running into each other. Elliot and JD are running into each other every day at work. And there's all of this animosity towards each other. Yeah, it's how the show opens up. I felt sad about it.

You know, I have to say, I guess these old feelings of being so invested in these characters came up. And of course, I'm sure, memories of times in my own life of this stage of a relationship. Sure. I don't know, I was so invested that I genuinely was feeling sad for these two characters and how they clearly love each other so much. And as we learned in the series, they ultimately choose each other. But that awkwardness of trying to be friends and having mutual friends and working together, I mean, what a nightmare. Yeah, but what you just said pays off in the final, before you guys go up on the roof and

throw watermelons, when you guys were on that cot, Zachy, your truth is that it made you genuinely sad and it resonates. It absolutely jumps into the lens and it resonates and it's so lovely. I think I had so much there's nothing demonstrative, there's nothing showy, it's just this guy's sad and sad sucks sometimes. I think that was easy to play because it was real and I think I had so much love for Sarah and I just you know I could just play in my in my heart that we weren't gonna be friends anymore and it was just easy to tap into you know

Right. I hear you. It showed. It was very good I really you know went in the beginning of the episode, when he said, when JD says my teacher died, I was like, oh, this is gonna be the problem of the episode. And then when, you know, Johnny, when Cox goes into this rant, I was like, no, this is the problem of the episode. Then how you bring it full circle, it's always brought back to one, right, with our show. So, at the end of it all, you remind him,

didn't you tell me about your teacher that, you know, just passed away, didn't you tell me about your teacher that just passed away? How are you gonna deal with that? Because I know you're trying to hide it. What did you do when you found out your teacher died? Oh, that's right, you made a joke. That shit stings inside.

And if you hold onto it and if you don't have an outlet, you wind up doing what I did. You know what I mean? And there's not a bunch of people at this hospital that are gonna protect you the way they protect me. That's the honest to goodness truth. So get this shit out. You know what I mean?

That was well said. I believe that too. I mean, I feel like I do that in life. I try and dissipate the emotion by making a joke and then you're, which is fine, it's a coping mechanism, but then you're letting that shit fester and build up. And then Johnny and all, you know, which is fine. It's a coping mechanism, but then you're, you're letting that shit fester and build up. And then Johnny and Cox is saying like, look what happens if you let it build for 364 days,

you fucking destroy Franklin's lab. I wrote in my notebook because I'd had about a 20 year, ongoing 20 year art crush on a Welsh poet named Dylan Thomas and I didn't have the spine to go down to the writers room and ask Billy if I could put this in but I did put it in The margins hit the poem that do not to go gently into that good night rage rage against the dying of the light and That informs everything I'm telling Zackie in that scene that you Don't go gently into the good night. Rage, rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Oh, I gotta chill. And I wanted to say it to Zachy so bad, but it was a little too esoteric, and but it's underneath there. And you didn't need to, John, because it was underneath your whole performance. Underneath all of that. It floats it. And if you can get Dylan Thomas to float something

underneath what you're doing, again, you're not lying. You're telling your truth. Yeah. I really like that you do that, John, the putting thoughts and inspiration in the margins and letting that sort of exist underneath the scene. I think that's really a smart technique. It's completely selfish and self-serving. It helps me. I always find that if you can reduce, since we're lying in front of the lens, everything's, most of it's a lie.

In other words, I'm not Dr. Cox. I'm not the guy. I'm not Sergeant O'Neill and Platoon. I'm not. I'm not. I'm some guy. I'm just the Irish Jack Ulysses. We're the baseball field.

We're the baseball field. I'm just an Irish Jackass. If you can reduce the frequency of the lie, whether it's Oliver putting this through two weeks of boot camp or putting Dylan Thomas underneath a particular beat, that reduces the lie. If you can reduce the lie to a certain frequency, then the lens doesn't suffer it as a lie quite as much. Right. And I think genuinely, this might be a non sequitur, but for me, genuinely listen. You know, a lot of times actors will ask me for, and I'm sure you guys get this as well,

young actors ask you for advice, and you try and think of like something succinct you can say because none of it's that easy. But when I do try and say the most basic thing that I've learned is genuinely listening. If the camera's on me and Johnny C. playing cocks is saying all these things to me and I can genuinely listen, I'm not looking in my periphery at the camera, I'm not looking at the gel on the light that's about to fall. I'm not distracted by something. I'm genuinely listening. Then I can't help but react naturally as a human being would.

Now that's not easy to do. I find I can only do it in spurts, which hopefully those spurts can be edited together into something good. But that's sort of my version of what you're saying is being as present as you can and genuinely listening. Because you're telling the truth. Yeah. And then we react. I remember when I did this movie, The Last Kiss, and I had a

scene with Tom Wilkinson, a wonderful actor, and it was one of those moments where this really worked for me. The cameras were kind of far back. I love that when, when, on the occasion, when they can be sort of a little bit far away on longer lenses and, and he was just on the porch and he's giving me a speech about his daughter. And I just remember being so present. I didn't see the cameras. I just saw this man talking to me and giving me

advice about how to deal with, with my troubled relationship. And I just felt, I was so in the moment that in spurts, I was able to just forget that it wasn't real. You know what I mean? No, I totally know what you mean. When I did G's Trippin', I got stoned with my boy Dion right before I seen him. When I was in Homies bimony.

And there was a, you know, we were at a dance at a house party and I was supposed to be dancing with this girl at the house party and I was so stoned that I forgot we were filming the damn movie. You think this is bullshit. But I remembered my direction was I thought thought you were, by the way, I just wanna stop for a second. I thought you were kidding and it was hilarious, but you're serious.

You got so high you forgot you were doing a movie. I forgot that we were making, this is how fucking- We gotta see this movie now. So we're in a scene and we're, you know, it's a house party and we're dancing and I'm dancing with this girl and I remembered my direction. My direction is tell her to come with you and you guys exit.

So we're dancing and everything and now I'm really fucking in it. I'm looking around at my boys and shit. Oh, you know what I mean? I'm waving to my boy, you know what I mean, in the movie and everything like that. And I remembered, yo, oh, I'm supposed to tell us something so I whispered in the ear like yo Let's go to the other room and she goes. Okay, let's go and so we're exiting and as I'm walking out I'm like, oh shit. I just pulled You know what I mean I'm looking at my boys like yeah

Look how I did it and And then they said cut. And I was like, well, I know I didn't I didn't. But you know, I didn't go like, oh, we're making a movie. But it was like cut. And we walked away. My boy was like, yo, it really looked like you was taken out of the other room. Oh, my God. That's so funny, man.

So that was good. I would get hives if I ever found myself in that situation. I would worry too much. How often were you stoned while acting on Scrubs? What percentage of the time? It's not as high as everybody, you know, as I made it out to be. But there were times where I came to work and I was like, fuck. I did it in the morning.

By the end of the day, I'll be fine. Dude, I had a problem. You know it'd be funny if on the Scrubs Wiki with each episode, it has a little section where it says how high Donald was during the filming of this episode You know, it has like a it has like a red for very there's like a there's like a there's like a color system Like how dangerous the water is at the beach? Those those days are over though. Those days are over but I do remember I remember thinking you know There's so many actors that are baked when they're working and I'm sure there are there are you know what I mean? But it really wasn't for me.

Let me tell you something, I'm gonna get us back on track here. At 8.06. Johnny, Johnny, if Johnny was always on the show, we'd be much more on track. Let me tell you something, the Todd shows up in 8.06. Hilarious.

And he comes up from behind the couch and it's kinda creepy. Yeah. It's a little creepy. The things he says to her are creepy Yeah. It's a little creepy. The things he says to her are creepy too. It's a little creepy. I know, but I laughed out loud when he said. What?

Yeah, when he goes. Ah, ah. So is it safe to assume Donald that at 856, when you do a very graceful jump up under the nurses station that you are not in fact wearing silk boxers? I am definitely not wearing silk boxers. Do you wear anything under your scrubs? I did at the time because I was, look man, I got a leaky O-ring and so sometimes-

Oh yeah, loose gasket. He's got a loose gasket. Sometimes when you go to the bathroom and come back and you got a little pee spot, it's embarrassing. I don't think that you could, I mean, I don't think that it would be appropriate for you to not have your, your, what your situation contained. I'm sure there were people that put on their scrubs at, as Johnny's hand goes up. Oh really, Johnny, you free ball in your scrubs? As Johnny's hand goes up. Oh really? Johnny, you free ball in your scrubs?

I do. One time in the Philippines, we were shooting a flick and during boot camp, I had to go through a river is called a blue. And so we had to go through a blue and hold our weapons above our heads. And then we got out the other side, I took my fatigues off and I had about nine leeches right near my power source Oh I decided and then die we that our

Comedant told us that they like warm wet places like under your arms and down in your crotch and I I haven't worn underwear since 1986 You can't preface it with Wow. And that's all it took. And that is all it took. There's not. You can't say, you can't preface it with that's all. That's what it took. Seven leeches, seven leeches near my power source. I'm not, no chance, Lance. And how do you pull them off?

Can you just pull a leech off? I've never had a leech stuck to my butt. Dale came and he used like a cigarette butt, and like he'd burn them and pull them at the same time. And it was very humiliating to take my, you know, to have all 24 guys looking at, you know, the Irish donkey with seven leeches. Wow. I'm not getting any leeches near my...

I guess jeans would be fine, but scrubs wouldn't work. No, gross. Even jeans. Oh man, I couldn't do it with my jeans. Too much chafing. All right. Should we get back to the episode, guys? Are you boxers or tighty? What do you guys? I'm straight up boxers, dude. We have tighty-whities can't happen. No, I don't do tighty-whities, but they're not boxers like traditional boxers. Mine are sort of like clingy, tight, soft boxers. Mine are sort of like clingy, tight, soft boxers. Okay. They're Stance.

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There's a shout out for butter undies. Send Donald and XXXL every stance folks. I don't need an extra. My waist isn't that big dude. Oh quadruplex. Wow. We gotta get back to Kenny and Judy because we haven't given them their due because the song the song he turns off is in fact the song that then Sammy and Judy sing together a cappella

yeah beautifully so pretty so pretty that's so tough to do also I guess it was you know they must have practiced a lot they had to have practiced that because that's so like even the way luck the cadence and everything was on. You know what I mean that had to they had to remind everyone who's listening what the song was It was talk dirty to me. Oh talk dirty to me. Yeah by poison but then again, uh gosh, I'm beating a Dead horse here, but the two of them are they're not showing off. They're not putting up on a bill They're not putting it up on a billboard. They're so graceful and they're not doing,

can you believe this shit? Because Sammy never does that and Judy is the master of just navigating her way through a scene. And the two of them together are so money and that thing is just so lovely. And then Sammy says, I love you. I dropped. Yeah. And that thing is just so lovely and then same says I love you. I Dropped yeah

So good on this I'm really made me miss him I I had just one of those moments of going fucking hell gone too soon This guy is so funny and so talented and I just wish more people Got to know how talented he was. I mean, he was a successful working actor, but I, you know, I watch him in this and I go, I just, I wish everyone in the world knew how genius this guy was. His abilities, man. He just had so many great abilities. You know what I mean? He could make you laugh.

No problem. Did you guys at the end of the show actually get to throw things off the roof? Yeah. I don't remember. I do. I don't remember any of that. I do. I remember.

Because I could see that being a kind of a nightmare with 120 people and a crew. But it also dates to show with Letterman talking about, you want to throw stuff off the roof like Letterman? Yeah. It's like Letterman hasn't been on for what, 10 years now? Well, for those of you who are too young to or didn't ever watch Letterman, he would often throw large objects off the roof of the Ed Sullivan Theater.

Was this before he moved to CBS? No, I think it was a bit he did for the whole, his whole thing. I don't remember. But I think we did. I have a weird memory of feeling like it was kind of dangerous. It's probably something they wouldn't let us do today with all the, with the like it was kind of dangerous. It's probably something they wouldn't let us do today with all the, with, with the, with the increase in set safety, because the wall of that roof wasn't incredibly high and we were hurling watermelons over the side. Absolutely.

I don't know that that would be approved by, uh, by HR this, this day and age. By the way, my Bill Cosby, that, that made me laugh out loud. And I think it made me laugh. I think it made me laugh because of way, my Bill Cosby, that made me laugh out loud. I think it made me laugh because of how bad my Bill Cosby. Yeah, it was like, it was turned up to 11. It was turned up to 11. Yeah. I thought it was hilarious, Dave. It was almost like you were doing an impression of Eddie Murphy doing his impression. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now why pudding? I didn't even, that was such a non sequitur.

Like we put pudding in medical gloves. Yeah, and then toss them off the roof. Yeah, and then you went into a problem. Because the pudding. I wonder if that was in the script. Do you think that was in the script or you just riffed that? No, that was definitely in the script. If we threw pudding off the roof,

they definitely put it in the show. I would like to talk to you about some of the things you've been doing in your show. About some of the things that you do in your show now. And then, and then Neil at the end saying, And then, and then, and then Neil at the end saying, Oh, yeah, like apocalypse now, right? I think that was the I learned from Scrubs Wiki. That was the first time Neil's ever been alone in a scene. Really? Oh, my goodness.

Yeah, that's right. Wiki, they really have. But he gets Billy, Billy puts him alone more and more as the well Yeah building that squirrel thing in his garage and I think that um, I think it's more and more alone Yeah, and I think that this was a shift in Neil like I think he entered the world of a regular cast member around here and There is an episode where Neil's not gonna be on this show in the first season and that's how they got around him not being a regular if I really if I recall correctly let's ask you know we can ask Bill right now that's

a good ask Bill go ahead Donald ask Bill bill comma if my memory serves me correctly isn't there an episode where there's no janitor? And if so was that related to tiptoeing around his contract? Because he would have had to have been a regular of some sort do not say five six seven eight bill Well shut it down neil flinn did not have to test for the part of the janitor so he was not Listed as a regular you know I just cast him as a guest star on the pilot with the intention of putting him in every episode. And then we did put him in every episode as a recur guy, and at the very end made him a,

I was able to convince the networks, they liked him a lot, that we needed to pay to make him a regular the second year. Originally, they only wanted him in a maximum of four episodes, but I was like, four, are you going to have him in a maximum of four episodes. But I was like, four, you gotta have him in like five, six, seven, eight. No, no, no, no, no.

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Hi, hi, hi, we're back in. Hello. Aloha. We're back in. Hi Jeremy. After a quick pee break, we're back. Joelle, introduce us. It's Jeremy Lee! Nailed it.

There's our Jeremy, you got the Oprah introduction. It's a sacred rite that only something... Jeremy, are you in an office? I'm in my home office right now, yeah. Well, Jeremy. It looks like a office building. Okay, Oprah, can you chill for two seconds? Jeremy.

I will do that, Zach Braff. Oh my God, you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. Jeremy, tell us, you have a special, special day to be on the podcast because the legendary, the living legend, Johnny C. McGinley has joined us. So who do you have a question for three of the cast members of the TV show Scrubs? I do have a question with if I don't mind just a quick background. I work with children with autism. And so we actually did research at this my wonderful company

and nonprofit autism partnership foundation to research if we could change a kid with autism to like social things not just toys or food. And so we actually stole from an episode that you guys did and got children to actually enjoy the social aspect of that instead of their favorite toy. So I guess my first question is, yeah, and it's published in a journal so you can look at it hungry chicken. Right on. That's incredible.

Good for you. So I guess my question is, who came up with the hungry chicken? Because we use it all the time. Wow, I don't know. I think that's Bill Lawrence that came up with one of the writers, right? Am I right, guys? Oh, God, if you throw this to Billy, he's going to do a five, six, seven, eight again. No, we got to limit him.

We got to limit him. He doesn't get too many. That is a good question. I have no idea. I think it must have been one of the writers. I don't know. Yeah, we got to throw it to Bill. I'm sorry.

So wait, just explain a little bit more. The children who have autism, you said they would rather interact with a toy and you use this to give them a way to interact without having a toy involved? Yeah, we'll think like children with autism only like toys or only want food and they only use that to motivate them.

But we know we can motivate them socially too because they need to be social and it's a social disorder. So we would take the hungry chicken and we would do it with a friend of theirs and then see if after we did it with them, they would pick that or their favorite toy. And so we were able to show like by really selling it and really doing a lot of hungry chicken

that they would pick a social motivator instead of like food or M&Ms, which is better healthier. It's great, yeah is better out here. That's amazing. Well, now I really wish I could take credit for inventing that because that's a very inspiring story. Wow. Do you have another question for us? Yeah, I guess I do. So you've talked a little bit about the music on the show and I just think the music on the show is great. And Zach, just to say, I think the Garden State soundtrack's one of the best soundtracks ever.

Thank you. It's a mix tape. Hold on. It's a mix tape. It's a mix tape I won a Grammy for, motherfucker. Yeah, but you want a mix tape Grammy. You want a mix tape Grammy. I didn't even know they had a mix tape Grammy,

but it turns out they do. And you won that shit, Big Dolly. I did. I did. You've held it. I have held it I got the pop. I got this on I got them. I got the fucking first Award in my egot. I didn't think was gonna be my first. I thought it might be my last

Right if you get it when you get the egot You already got the Grammy right? I thought gonna have to do like a book on tape. Jeremy, do you know what an EGOT is? Of course, Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony. Yes sir. Yes. But thank you, thank you Jeremy. I, Donald ruined my praise from you and I want to thank you.

It was, it was shocking to everyone involved that that soundtrack was so successful, but I really appreciate it. It really is a good soundtrack though. Do you guys just like already have a song in mind? You know when that episode comes or do you listen to a song and you know, oh, that'll be a great song to add to a soundtrack one day?

I think what happens is there were some writers that were involved. There was, of course, Krista Miller, who plays Jordan and is Bill's wife, and she's very, very into it and very good at it, and Bill, and then the editors. And then I think what happens is you sort of, this is the way I do it for my films as well, you sort of build a big ass playlist of potential songs. You feel like, oh, these would be great for a montage, or, oh, this is a really moving song for somewhere. You don't really know.

And then when you get in the edit, you start to go, let's try that song. And then you see. And I always jokingly have a goosebump detector. You can listen to 25 songs, and they're like, okay, that's okay. And then all of a sudden you watch it, and you just get goosebumps up and down your arm, and you go, okay, okay, that's okay. And then all of a sudden you watch it and you just get goosebumps up and down your arm

and you go, okay, well that's obviously a contender. And that's a lot of trial and error, a lot of trial and error. These days it's even harder because so many people are doing it that when I made my film Wish I Was Here, we would try it and we'd fall in love with the song and then we'd look up online and it's like, oh no, it's been used in Grey's Anatomy, it's been used on this, it's been used in this movie.

So it's even harder now because you've got to find music that hasn't been done to death in being used with film. Wow. I think a really good example of that is Joshi, is your friendie and the the different music he brought to the show Zachy was just astonishing. Yeah. Joshua Raden was a is a is an artist that we love a lot and a lot. Johnny I don't even know if you know this trivia that his song winter which is in that famous episode where we where we lose Brendan Fraser was the first song he'd ever written. No. Yeah. ever written. No.

Yeah. No. Yeah. Wow. Thank goodness. He wasn't a one hit wonder dude. Well, this many years. Yeah.

This many years later, I loved his cover on Alex, think that first episode. Oh, Bob Dylan. Thank you. You're the, you're the, so you're the guy that was watching Alex. Thank you so much. My wife and I, who's really sad she couldn't be here, but she's actually a second year resident. So she's off at the hospital. Oh wow.

Yeah. Well, thank you. And thank you for being such a fan of all things Scrubs and Alex Inc. and Garden State. I really appreciate that. And all you guys. You guys are amazing. Man, you don't even know my name. That was Jeremy!

No, we were just watching Can't Hardly Wait. My wife is not from America. We were watching Can't Hardly Wait. Go on. Because she's never seen it. And I forgot you were in it. Oh my gosh, that's the best way to. That's great.

That's great. I didn't even remember that. It was going right. It was going right. And then you were like, what I forgot. He's like, I turned to my wife. And I was like, did you remember that Taye Diggs is in this movie?

Ah! All right, Jeremy. Give it up, thunderous applause, Dan, for Jeremy Lee! Jeremy, stay safe and keep doing the beautiful work you're doing with Autistic Children and thank you so much for the kind words. Oh, thank you so much for having me. We appreciate it. Thanks, buddy. Well, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

Thanks, buddy. Well, guys, I think we did it. We've gone long. The people seem to love it. Whenever I say, I've gotten a lot of chatter on my Insta saying, stop saying you've gone too long. We don't want you guys to stop. But we want to, you know, I had a great acting teacher

who used to say, give them 10 minutes less than they want. Was this great acting teacher that you have ever on Scrubs? Yes, by the way. Did you know that? Dude, come on, man. I thought you may have forgotten with your stoner brain. Who was your acting teacher, and who did he or she play on Scrubs? I had the privilege to work with Zach's acting teacher

the whole episode. David Downs. David Downs. And who did David play? He played the one whose kid was in a coma or broke his, I don't remember who he played. I directed the episode. This wasn't the epic Heather Graham one, was it? No, it wasn't.

It was like he broke his son, either broke his back or I forget what it was, but he asked me to be honest with him. And he was like, his one line, I remember the part of the interaction we had, he said to me, do you shave your head because it's cool or because you're bald? And I go, bald. Yeah. It was a really good episode.

We'll have to figure out what it was. But yeah, David Downs was my acting teacher at Northwestern and also a beautiful actor. And so I had him do a guest star on Scrubs. I always feel like one of the great gifts of being on- Mr. Bolger, sorry. Either a hit show or producing a movie is throwing talented friends, not just random friends, talented friends, putting

them on your piece. And I did it with a half a dozen actors on scrubs. And then if people are right, I do it all the time with the movies I'm producing too. Yeah. You have some very talented friends. Yeah. You've got quite a posse of... Sorry, I just didn't interrupt. Oh, I know what it was, why it was special. It was the Wizard of Oz episode. Joel is telling us in the chat. It was Mr. Bolger. And his son was brain dead.

And his son was brain dead. It was season five, episode seven, if you're listening and are curious. It was, yeah, that epic Wizard of Oz episode. But Johnny, you have a lot. Mr. Bolger would be an homage to Ray Bolger in Wizard of Oz. Yes, sir, it would be. Now, Johnny be an homage to Ray Bolger in Wizard of Oz. Yes sir, it would be.

Now Johnny, get back to- Johnny, you have a lot of friends that are almost like mentors to me, like Eric LaSalle, Michael Beach. These are people that you've known- Cusack? 30 years. Yeah, since you're out of college, or you went to college with a lot of these guys. Eric and I went to college with a lot of these guys Eric and I Eric and I went

to college together right and That's he's my guy. Yeah, Johnny. I mean guys are like these guys are like, you know Mentors to me like, you know when I was a young actor Michael Beach was one of the people when I was doing waiting to exhale that was like well This is what you need to do if you want to be successful Stop smoking that damn cigarette that you're holding on to when I was doing Weight in the Exhale that was like, well, this is what you need to do if you want to be successful. Stop smoking that damn cigarette that you're holding on to. Like I was smoking cigarettes like I want to be a movie star

smoking a cigarette at a table read. He was like, Oh, you want to be a movie star? Put the fucking cigarette down, dude. Mike, Mike is Mike is no lie. Mike is no straight up straight up. Johnny, I remember I was thinking the other day you were on a movie, a big movie, the one that took place at the motel with Cusack and All at Night. Oh, Identity, Jim Mangle directed it.

Identity, and it's a really good movie I recommend to you. I liked it a lot, but I was- Good cast. I remember you said you wanna come visit the set because the set was really cool, even though it looks like it's all outside, it was all in a giant soundstage. It sure was.

And it was all pissing rain the whole time. And, uh, and you said, you gotta, you said, you gotta come see this set. It's really cool. And I was like, I can't believe I'm allowed to. And, uh, and I came to visit you one day on set and it was just so cool. And I just, I thought of that because, um, I know a bunch of your buddies, uh, you know, it feels like you and your posse often cast each other in each other's films. I think if your posse is talented, I mean there's some outliers, then yeah, good on

you. It's going to make life easier. I like that too. I like to use the same people over and over again. But you didn't use Donald in Garden State. Oh Jesus, here we go. Thank you, Johnny. Thank you, Johnny. Thank you didn't use Donald in Garden State. Oh, Jesus. Here we go. Thank you, Johnny.

Oh, God. Thank you, Johnny. Thank you very, very much. Like Oliver Stone used John C. McGinley in camera. So many times, so many times. That he's ever made. You would think that Zach Braff would take a hit. You know what I mean?

Like, you know, uh. I want you to be the Johnny C. McGinley to my Oliver Stone. You say that now. But I don't think, I don't think. How many movies did you do with him, John? Six. Wow, that's incredible. Incredible.

Sheesh. And there's some, and there's six of the best. Yeah, he. What about talk radio? I was thinking about you in talk radio the other day. I was thinking about you in seven. those of you don't remember johnny's in one of my favorite movies seven I love that shot take the shot And and then johnny you go, I don't know if you improv did you improv this when you go somebody calls somebody?

I did improv that that was incredible. He's in the chopper right when uh, Right when the shit goes down with the what's in the box? What's in the chopper right when right when the shit goes down with the what's in the box What's in the box and then David gave us as much rope as we wanted to hang ourselves with He he lets the actors run and then he'll chop it together in post but he lets her run There were two scenes so you're in the chopper, but you're also in when they bum rush the room, too Right. Yeah, we find this with the initiated guy. Yeah Bum rush the room too, right? Yeah, when we find this with the emaciated guy. Yeah. Oh But I'll never forget I remember getting goosebumps when you know this before I even knew you Johnny and and you were and you go Oh my god, somebody call somebody and I was like that's such a good line with the emaciated guy David found out there was asbestos in that building and

he wasn't down with it, so we shut down for a while and found another building and that was a whole to do. That was a complete clusterfuck when he found out there was asbestos in that building. You know you have budget when they're like, there's asbestos in the building? We're shutting down. I'd never been on a movie that had that power. But again, I'm no Fincher. Man I love Fincher and man I love that movie. That's one of my favorites. Yeah, everybody shines in that movie. What's in the box?

On that note, we love you all for listening. Keep chatting us on Insta, you make us laugh. And if you have a question, scrubsiheart at gmail.com. Joelle will decide if your question is worthy for air. Right, Joelle? Joelle yields all the power. Don't yell at me and Donald. We don't do anything.

Joelle, a lot of people like the fact that we talk Star Wars too. I'm just gonna put it out there. Yeah, I saw that too. I've actually been getting a lot of DMs. I'm just saying. About us maybe doing a Star Wars show. There was a lot of-

We might need to make that happen. There was a lot of talk about- Your voice, I saw, much to my dismay, I saw someone going, I really thought Donald and Joelle's insight about Qui-Gon-Jo, whatever it is, was really interesting. Shut up. Five, six, seven, eight. We can tell stories about a show we made,

about a bunch of doctors and nurses and a janitor who loved me. I said, here's the stories that you all should know. About a bunch of dogs and nurses And a janitor who loved making acts And he'd tell stories That we all should know So gather round to hear our Gather round to hear our Spuds we watch show with Zach and I know Mm-hmm

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