Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - Real Friends Classic: 122 - My Occurrence With Shea Serrano

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

On this week's episode, Dr. Cox's best friend (Brendan Fraser) shows up at the hospital and receives a horrifying diagnosis. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by writer Shea Serrano, who breaks down precisely what makes Scrubs so iconic.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. I missed you, girl. Girl, let me tell you podcasts. I missed you girl. Girl, let me tell you something. I missed you too. Look at that tricep though. You like that? Yeah. I mean, for a guy that doesn't even lift anymore,

you got a nice try try. I lift a little bit. I lift a little bit nowadays. No, you said you just do Impelatown, but you're not like curling iron. Oh no, I got a couple of weights that I curl every now and then just to keep my shit quick. Oh, I just thought you were doing, you were on a quarantine trip where you were just like cardio nothing else

No, it I thought you're about to say carbs and nothing else. Yeah, I'm doing that too, though By the way a lot of love a lot of love for the first animation we put out I love it I love it and it's so funny. It's only 30 seconds, but I've watched it like 900 times yeah, it's like when we first heard the When we first heard the theme song and remember how crazy we were going for the theme song. Yeah started for those of you Don't know this company Cartooner radio is an animation company in Brooklyn and they did a animation of a moment of dialing and our my podcast of this podcast and

They just you know tagged us on Instagram and we thought it was so funny We hit them up and said, you know, can we work out a situation where we'll obviously pay you? But will you do like some quick little 30-second moments from the podcast and they thought that was awesome And so now we were starting to roll some of them out and the first one we just put on our Instagram today Although this was this was this will be like a week. This will be a few This will be like a week later But anyway, they did the moment with Donald giving Jeff Zucker noogies and the animation is so funny, dude Your eyes are all full of bloodshot, dude

Like they knew I smoked that shit and they knew I drank that shit that night. Well, we did talk about how fucked up we were. Yeah, but I didn't talk about how I smoked that shit. Like when you drink, your eyes don't get red like that. I know, they made your eyes like hot pink. But you know what they got? Maybe they're listening, and they got it. Because another episode I mentioned

how when you're hammered, you have like this, what do you call this when you do this? It's a high step. I got that shit from you though, dude. Right. Anyway, just a drunk high step. And then in the animation, when you're headed over to Zooka, you're like, get over here. That shit's hilarious. It was funny. It was funny. I laughed out loud. And what I love about on Instagram, I'm sure they're doing it on

yours too, people are saying, oh, you gotta do this moment. oh you gotta do the washcloth to beat, you gotta do this. They are doing that. What's crazy is that I think you need to tell each and every one of your followers that you demand that they follow me or fuck off. Because I- I would never curse at my followers, Donald. I don't. Listen, I look at what your numbers are and I look at what my numbers are on Instagram

and I gotta be honest with you, I'm a little jealous, are and I look at what my numbers are on Instagram and I gotta be honest with you I'm a little jealous dude. I'm a little jealous You're assuming that they're all scrubs folks. They might be some people that love Garden State and and and so where my clueless people at Huh? Where am I remember the Titans people at where my motherfucking? I'm telling you right now where my motherfucking waiting to exhale people at where my care ransom people at where my tripping people at where my gonna name all your movie Listen, I gotta put it out there man. Cuz where they act they need to represent. Where are your homie Spumoni people? Where them homie Spumoni where my next day air people at yo come on now Homie Spumoni is a film that Donald made it's basically the plot of the jerk

Except instead of a white baby being dropped off at a black family's home, Donald's a black baby that's dropped off at an Italian family's home, right? No, no, no. I'm not even dropped off. They literally kidnapped me, pretty much. Oh, they kidnap you? Yeah. They find me floating in a river in Italy, and the mom kidnaps me.

Like Moses? Well, yeah, I guess so, but Moses was... You know, they were... Wasn't Moses put in a basket and... Yeah, trying to escape, yes. Durel, do I have my Old Testament right? Didn't they put Moses... Who did they put in the...

Found. Pharaoh's wife... Yeah, no, Moses was put in the basket. Yeah, and then Pharaoh's wife found him. Yeah, come on, was put in the basket. Yeah, and then Pharaoh's wife found him. Found him, yeah. Come on, I went to Hebrew school. Now Donald, I have a question for you. Homies Bimoni, for those of you who don't know-

Whoopi Goldberg, the great Whoopi Goldberg. Whoopi Goldberg's in it. We talked about this. And the great Paul Mooney. The great Paul Mooney. Tony Rock. Now you do an Italian New York accent, right? Give us a sample.

Tony Napo. Give us a sample. You want to hear a sample of my Italian accent there, right? Yeah, this is the character, right? Listen, all right, my name's Renato, all right? Right? Give us a sample. Tony Napo. Give us a sample. You want to hear a sample of my Italian accent there? This is the character, right? Listen, all right? My name's Renato, all right? And this is how we do things where I'm from, okay?

It's very simple. It's almost like a New York accent, too. It's like a New York- Oh my God. You know, I've seen a lot of your projects- It was a lot thicker back in the day. When I was doing it, it was so hard. Like it was thick.

You know, Jamie Lynn Seigler, right? Yes. Yes. Is she your love interest? She was my love interest on it. She's like, you sound like the guys I grew up with. Oh, that's a compliment because she's- Yeah, it was a compliment. I think she's a Jersey girl.

Is she? I don't know. Do they got a lot of Italians in Jersey? Listen, I gotta tell you something. I've never seen that movie, but I- Dude, you've never seen anything I've been've been now. I've seen a lot of Man, I remember I showed you fucking remember the time. I was like you'll just watch remember the Titans on the plane You got halfway through it and you were like, I mean No, it's cool. That's not a true story. That's not a true story

I'm gonna watch that film because I know how much people love it and I love Denzel I love so you've never seen remember the Titans. I have never seen remember the Titans see that's what I know how much people love it and I love Denzel. So you've never seen Remember the Titans? I have never seen Remember the Titans. See? That's what I'm talking about right there, guys. But you didn't read the Garden State script, so fuck off. But I saw the Garden State script and I read that. No, you didn't even look at it. I saw the movie.

You didn't even hold the script in your hands. Yeah, I did. I didn't. No, I said, I would like you to read this. I know, you're right. I didn't. And you said, are there any black people in it? And I said, there's two, but you're not right for them. And I already cast Method Man. And you said that I'm not reading it. Then I won't read it. That're right. I didn't. And you said, are there any black people in it? And I said, there's two, but you're not right for them.

And I already cast Method Man. And you said that I'm not reading it. Then I won't read it. That's right. That is true. But I will tell you this. What a dick. What a dick?

Dude. I'm going to watch Remember the Time. I'm going to watch it tonight. We're looking for a movie for tonight. Yeah, please do. All right. I'm telling you right now. I'm going to lay it down.

I'm going to lay down the log. You know, you have to send them. Where my kick ass two people you right now. I'm going to lay it down. I'm going to lay down the law. You know, you have to- Where my kick ass two people at? Yo, where y'all at? Kick ass two, if you Donaldson kick ass two. Donald is not- Man, no, I'm talking about for Instagram.

Donald is just- Where y'all at? Oh, you're circling back to Instagram. Well, Donald, I'm sorry that you're upset about this, but the good news is- I'm not upset. I'm just a little jealous. Well, I think that you should give some love to the people that are following you, so they don't feel like, what,

we don't matter to you, Donald? No, they definitely matter. You people that are following me right now, I love you. I love you tremendously. You matter to me. Yes. You are special to me. And we together are building a great foundation

and an institution. What is necessary right now is for you to tell your friends that 600,000 isn't enough. Tell your friends, tell your wife. Listen, today's a very special episode of this show because today's the first time we're having on, as our guest, someone who was not on the show, someone who had nothing to do with the show. But I wanted to have him on, we wanted to have him on, because he's an

incredible writer. And amongst many things that he's written, he's written a self-published book about scrubs that I'm going to promote many, many times. It's called Where Do You Think We Are? and it's 10 illustrated essays about scrubs. And it was written by Shea Serrano, and it was illustrated by Arturo Torres, and it is really awesome. And he is, I don't know how well you know Shea, Donald, but we're gonna get him on before you tell me anything

about how well you know him. But I follow him on Twitter, and he's very entertaining. I don't know him well, to be honest with you, but before we get into that five Five, six, seven, eight! He's got stories, about a show we made, About a bunch of dogs and nurses, and a janitor who loved to hate. I said he's got stories, natural holes should know, So gather round to hear our, gather round to hear our, Scrubs Rewatch Show with Zach and Donno. Wait for it. There he is.

Wait for it. He got the fresh cut and everything. Look at him. There he is. Fresh cut and everything, dude. Oh man, it's so nice to finally meet you. I am like one of your many, many Twitter followers and I feel like I know you, but it's so nice to finally meet you in person. Yeah, I'm excited.

I'm really excited to be here. I've been waiting on Holt since 12 in the afternoon for three hours now, just so that I don't want to miss it. I didn't want to miss this one. You know what I'm saying? You've been sitting there. You've been sitting there. We didn't put you on Holt.

This was like a self-proclaimed Holt. Yes, he didn't want to fuck up, Donald, so he's been sitting there with his mic. Okay, that's... Now, Shay, before you say anything, I gotta tell you, I was doing research for the show on you, because I know you for being very popular on Twitter. I encourage you to follow Shay, and we'll get his handle out before the show ends.

But I'm reading all about you, and your career is amazing, but I started reading... He wrote this second career is amazing. But I started reading, he wrote this second book, it was called The Rap Year Book, the most important rap song from every year since 1979. Then he's got another book called Basketball and Other Things that Obama said was one of his favorite things. And then he's got another, and I'm sitting here going, I'm gonna lose Donald Faison to Shane. Yeah. I'm sitting here being like, this was a bad idea. The man has written bestselling books

on rap and basketball, and I'm gonna lose him. And you know what I love, and you know what I love. Oh, shit. You know what's funny is I got a chance, I met Donald one time, I don't know if you remember. No, I do remember, I remember, look. Tell the story, I met Donald one time. I don't know if you remember. No, I do remember. I remember, look. Tell the story, it's in his book.

Before I even read the book. Oh, you read it? Oh, okay. No, anyway, hold on, hold on, hold on. I didn't read the whole book. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's keep going. Don't act like you read the whole thing.

He's skinned that shit. Yeah, so, but before I even knew that it existed, Zach was like, you were coming on, and I looked you up on, I Googled you, and I was like, you were coming on. And I looked you up on, uh, I Googled you and I was like, Oh, I met this dude. I met this dude when I was going to do first take. I thought you were going to do first take that day also. But I also met you. Your wife was with you, right? Is that your wife? Yeah. And she and I got to talk a little bit more than you and I did. But I remember, I mean, and then I read the essay and you made

it seem like you were like all crazy like holy shit Holy shit, you guys are a little bit cooler than that now Yeah, absolutely inside of my head there's only been a few times in my life I was starstruck but me Denzel Washington and Michael Jordan I know I know I know Watching you walk in that room I don't know if it's because I was surprised or because I had just finished, like I was already working on the scrubs thing.

So I had gone through the whole series again, whatever it was, but yeah, when you walked in there, I was like, holy fucking shit. Like I was trying so hard not to wig out. That's what's up. Now, now you took me. You were there for a book, right? You were there for another book,

but it wasn't the rap book, it was the basketball book, right? No, it was the basketball one came out in 2017. October of last year, I did movies and other things. Movies. So that's when I was I was in New York, you know, doing all the press stuff. OK, now I'm sorry before we don't want to fit a word in anyway. This is what's going to happen. This is my nightmare. Right, Joel.

They just suddenly they turn my mic down and they just go off. Well, I just wanted to get into the basketball thing. All right, do you get into the basketball thing? You said you think my game would be more like a, like you imagine my game being like PJ Tucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to agree with that. I'm going to agree with that.

See, I knew it. I knew it. I had watched enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of jump shots, some defense, very competitive and talks a lot of shit. Yeah, that's me. That's me. That's about right. Uh, I wish I had a little bit of a, you know, a silkier game.

I wish my game was more like Klay Thompson, but PJ Tucker is spot on, man. He's a, he's a great, uh, I don't even know if you would consider him a role player. He's just like a glue guy, right? Yeah. He's an essential player on that, on that Rockets team. I lived in, Laramie and I lived in Houston for 14 years. So we were there like when he showed up. And then he's one of those guys who, like if you go to the city where he's playing everybody there just fucking loves him. Yeah, because all the stuff he does. Yeah. Now, Shay, I have a question. Do you know? Do you have your book? Like could Donald about

your rap book and Shay is everything he writes becomes a like could Donald, about your rap book, and Shay is, everything he writes becomes a best seller, including the rap yearbook, the most important rap song from every year since 1979, discussed, debated, and deconstructed. Billboard said this was one of the best, 100 best music books of all time, which, holy shit man, congratulations on an accomplishment like that. Thanks. Round of thunderous applause. Yeah. Dan, please put in some thunderous applause there. You won't hear it, Shay, so just imagine it. It's like a stadium going crazy. You listen to the podcast,

right, Shay? I've seen you on Twitter. So you know how Dan really brings the thunderous applause. Now, Shay, if Donald were to say, because Donald loves rap, if you were to mention a year, you don't have this memorized, right? Or do you? If Donald were to say, cause Donald loves rap, if you were to like mention a year, you don't have this memorized, right? Or do you? If he were to say like, if Donald were to be like, all right, 97, would you be like, oh, this is what I wrote about that?

I believe so. 97 is Puff Daddy, if I'm not mistaken. Which one? What song, Puff Daddy? I wanna say, let me look it up. You can look it up, it's all good. As sad as I am about how well you guys are hitting it off, I just feel like once this rap conversation starts,

it'll be Donald's favorite conversation in the world because he really, really loves rap. Like, as long as I've known him. Yeah, it's the best music in the world. It was, Can't Nobody Hold Me Down. Can't No, okay, with him and Mace? With him and Mace, yeah. Okay. That was the one.

Because that was when rap had like They were doing the whole shiny suit thing It was like it became all about opulence and the hype William and the hype Williams Music videos right that those ones came a little bit. Yes, right right around then. I remember around 97 I just picked 97 nobody hold me down was a hype wasn't a hype Williams Yeah, I'm just saying because I was when I was peeing fresh out of college. I was peeing on rap videos in New York and I don't really know the music that well,

but I remember like Hype Williams was a god at the time. And that's just right around the time all those Mace Puffy videos were coming out. That was the one where they were in the desert, right? And isn't JLo in it too? Yeah, she's in that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Donald, do you wanna pick a year

now that he's got it up? Just pick like a year. Sure. I mean, but I mean, okay, 92. That's a hard one. 1992? Oh, like I don't have the book up. I was just looking at the song. Oh, I didn't mean to put you on the spot, sure. I just wondered if you knew. Yeah, that's no worries. But I will say, I know 92 was nothing but a G thing That was wow. Yeah, right. That's a great great record man Really good that chronic was what oh my gosh, man. Mm-hmm. There were a lot of great albums that came out though I feel like in 92, you know, I mean that was the I graduated I think from high school I'm pretty I like that song rolling down the street smoking and

Sipping on gin and juice that one's new laid back now That's on the doggy style album and there's like there's like a constant debate between which is a better g-funk album between Between the chronic and doggy style both the dope man pick one pick one which one you want to listen to right now Shit man, well cuz no cuz what happened is with Dope, man. Pick one, pick one. Which one do you wanna listen to right now? Shit, man. Well, cause no, cause what happened is with Doggie Style. Hold on, it's hard. He has to do what happened is. Yeah.

It's hard, man, cause Doggie Style, Nate Dog, all these cats are on that record, man. Come on, Donald. It's hard cause like- Dan, can you put on the jeopardy music? Well, no, you know what? I take it back, I'll go chronic just because of deep cover. I can't know. It's hard because it's like- Dan, can you put on the jiffy music? Well, no, you know what? I take it back. I go chronic just because of Deep Cover.

I can feel it. I heard that shit. I remember when Deep Cover, the movie came out and that song was on the Deep Cover soundtrack and my boy played me that shit and we listened to that shit over, we listened to that song over and over and over again. And this is before the beef with East Coast, West Coast stuff. And it was just like, yo, this is the the beef with East Coast, West Coast stuff. And it was just like, yo, this is the dopest thing I ever heard in my life.

Yeah, it was one of those moments where you, like I've never heard something like this. Yeah. Snoop sort of lollygagging out into something like, who is this guy? Yeah, yeah, that and the beat was fucking fire and the fucking, and then the hook was, yeah, and you don't stop,

cause it's one eight seven on an undercover That's too good. That's your story. Did you ever make a documentary about this because I read that there was talk of it Did they ever make it? Documentary about your of your book. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what happened is a Production company got the rights for it and then we signed up with the roots They became like executive producers on it And then they sold it to we sold a series to AMC and they did a six episode thing where it was like six episodes Each episode was about one particular song. They're an hour long And so it became like a video over it was really cool. I got to go out to New York

They did like a concert the roots did a concert before they and then they showed the the One of the episodes is the one that they did on on Jesus walks and it was it was really really cool to watch that's so cool because as i'm listening to you talk about it i mean i just think it would be such an amazing i can understand why be an amazing series i wouldn't check that out i definitely yeah it was great you know what was neat is so they we got all signed up and they like we sold the series and they started working on it and they gave me the phone call and they're like hey do you want you want to call in? And like we're brainstorming and helping out doing whatever. And I said, Oh yeah, yeah. Like that'd be cool. Cause I like, I know

a lot about rap and we're doing this whole thing. And I called in and Black Thought and Quest Lover both in there and like everything that somebody brought up, like I had like a third hand story and like, Oh yeah, I heard a story about a party that happened at this thing and no matter what it was Quest Lover Black Thought, they were like, Oh yeah, I heard a story about a party that happened at this thing. And no matter what it was, Quest over blackout, they were like, Oh, yeah, I was at that party. I wrote to I don't want to I don't want to help anymore. Like, yeah, guys, clearly you got this. I'm just gonna fall back. That's amazing.

Hey, kids. It's me, Kevin Smith. And it's me Harley Quinn Smith. That's my daughter, man, who my wife has always said is just a beardless, dickless version of me. And that's the name of our podcast. beardless, dickless me. of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless D***less Me. I'm the old one. I'm the young one. And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure.

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I spent 24 of those years in jail. 12 years in solitary. He went from an ex-con to a literary darling almost overnight. He was instantly a celebrity. He was an adrenaline junkie, and he was the star of the show. Go-Boy is the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable. I had a knife go in my stomach, puncture my screen, break my ribs. I had my feps all in my hands. Only to find himself back where he started.

Rodger's saying this, I've never hurt anybody but myself. And I said, oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong on that one, Rod. From Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts, listen to GoBoy on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, you know, I've been at some places like where crazy things happen, but like, and I was just, I just happened to be there when the things happen. Like, you know what I mean? Like I was at the party where Biggie got killed.

You know what I'm saying? You were? Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you, did you, did you hear like the gunshots? I heard gunshots. I was outside. So I heard the gunshots.

I also, I spoke to him before all of it happened. Oh shit, you never told me this. You saved this for Shay? Well dude, you're not a hip hop, you're not a hip hop fan. But I mean, I'm not a hip hop dude, but I'm a pop culture fan. You could have told me you were at that fucking event. Yeah dude, I was at that event and I spoke to him and then the next morning I found out he was dead.

I actually found out that night that he had gotten shot. Somebody came around the corner and told me, you know, yo, they just fucking got big. And I was like, get the fuck out of here. And I remember telling Ricky Bell from Bell Biv Devoe. And he was like, shut the fuck up, dude. You don't know what you're talking about. And then the next morning, my boy Dion Richmond called me up on the phone and was like, yo, they killed big last night.

And I was like, holy, and I was like, holy shit, I was there, dude. I was, I spoke to him right before. You know what I mean? I've done this couple of instances, like I was at Nell's the night all that shit went down with Tupac and the girl on the dance floor and stuff like that. Like I was at the club hanging out with my friends and stuff like that.

And I was there, like just a bunch of things, man. It's weird. It's my connection to hip-hop runs deep man I love I love it so much and when I was when I was younger I would be you would frequently find me at some of these events that were considered, you know Later on that were considered iconic or pivotal moments in artists careers, especially in two pox and bigs Those were two big moments one one was the death of one and one was where everybody started looking at somebody as a true troublemaker,

which was bullshit, but that was what, from that moment on, Tupacs Lane shifted from actor, rapper, to activist, to his whole run with Death Row and the whole East Coast, West Coast beef and all of that stuff. A lot of it stemmed from that moment. Do you think any of it was your fault? I don't know anything about the studio.

Right, right. You know like that butterfly effect thing where one thing happens and then it causes everything to happen? Right, if I took myself out of the equation and all of that shit, maybe everybody would have got it. Donald like bumped into some waiter who then got in a bad mood and was rude to Tupac and all of a sudden all this shit happened because Donald did it.

Do either of y'all follow a writer named Chio Hadari, Coker? No. Okay. So he like works on a ton of stuff, but he like worked on the Biggie movie, Lowriders, Creed 2, like a bunch of the stuff that I like. So I started following him. But just today he was talking about, I think it was today, maybe might have been last night or yesterday, but he was talking about when Tupac did Juice and he was saying like when he got the role

of Bishop, which was like the guy who causes all the trouble in it, like that was the beginning of his like gangster rapper, like it set him on that path Right like that's just crazy to think about I was a little thing like that. You know, yeah I was I was in juice. I had a really tiny role in that movie and the one thing I remember the most about that movie was the premiere and after seeing it and You know to park walking into the it was like at Lowe's on 42nd Street or something like that. It was in Times Square, I remember that. And he walked into the area where everybody was being let out of the movie.

And it felt like he had like the glow around, like the Bruce Leroy glow around him, man. Cause you just knew at that moment, he was out of here. He was just out of here. That's when I became a fan of his, you know what I mean? Like as an actor, I checked on his stuff all the time, all of the movies he made and stuff like that.

When I was younger, I remember thinking he's a better actor than he is a rapper, dude. I remember thinking that as a kid, dude. That's like an argument you could honestly, legitimately make. Like he was unbelievable as an actor, yeah. Yeah, he was a very good actor. So Shay, tell us like how you came to Scrubs

and wrote this book because I just, I was so moved by a lot of it. I mean, it's funny, your book, but also there's moments I was reading and that would give me goosebumps because you articulate moments in Scrubs, sometimes I think better than moments in Scrubs even were. Were, right. And no, I mean, and I appreciate that. because you articulate moments in Scrubs sometimes I think better than moments in Scrubs even were.

Were, right. And I appreciate that. We love what a fan you are. And I was reading something you wrote about the episode we're going to talk about today, my occurrence, and I got goosebumps when you wrote it. It was about when I find out that Brennan Fraser's character has leukemia and Judy's standing there. And I'm not bullshitting

you, when I rewatched the episode today, it was even more moving to me. It was a really unique experience because I don't even remember the moment. And then I read your essay in his book, Where Do You Think We Are? And it gave me goosebumps. And then I rewatched the moment today and I was so much more moved by it because I had your backstory. So I encourage you if you're a Scrubs fan to get this book. But anyway, I just wanted to know, it's a long question, but how did you come to Scrubs and then how did you come to write this book? I came to Scrubs late. This was back when it was on Netflix. So it was a few, you know, several years ago. I didn't, I had never really, I didn't watch

it when it was like on ABC or NBC or anything like that. But I started catching it when, I think it showed I got in Comedy Central, you know, on one of those like cable channels. I was like, this is this is like a cool show, but there was no way to like rewatch the whole thing. You just catch whatever episode you can. And then it popped up on Netflix. And Laramie, my wife, she also likes a show. So we're like, oh, let's like, I haven't seen like the first four seasons or something. Let's sit down and watch it. And so you like that's how it started was a few years ago and then it just became one of those shows that we watched our whole way through it we like fell in love with everybody on there and as was one of the ones where it's like it's been a long day and I need to like unwind and

relax and I need to like feel some emotions of some sort so let me put put this one on because I think you know I wrote this in a thing, but I think Scrubs is the best TV show ever at balancing between those two worlds. Y'all talk about it a lot of the time, how hard of a transition that is to make, from going from something totally silly and ridiculous immediately into something just outlandish

or crazy serious. So that's how we started watching that show and it just became like a ritual every so often. We're like, we're gonna restart Scrubs again and we're gonna watch it and then that's gonna be like what we do. Right on. I love it. And you and your wife get in debates about the show I saw and part of the book is an email conversation you have about whether or not she likes JD or not. And I really appreciated your point of view more than Laramie's because Laramie loves the show, but JD's not her favorite character. And I appreciated Shay

debating why he should be. Yeah. So we started watching the show and I realized like, you watch a show and depending on like who you are the type person you are you just watch it a little bit different than everybody else. And I realized at some point that we were very much watching the show differently. I was watching it waiting for like the JD moment to happen when you like make your eyes water or you like say a thing real seriously and she was watching it for like, for like a Turkin Carlos situation or a Dr. Cox situation or whatever. And so I'm like, well, we should let, you know, let's talk about this a little bit. And my, my, I was skimming through the book because you know, I'm not, I'm not, don't take it personally. He skimmed through the scripts for the fucking episodes. So don't take it personally. One, I'm not a great reader and my attention focused on two.

If JD and Turk were to ever do a buddy cop movie, what would it be? And you go through a bunch of lists of what movies. And I immediately went for Running Scared with Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines. That's the immediate one I went to. And I was like, I bet you he doesn't have that on the list. And sure enough, it's right there on the list. You nailed it. We always, over the years, we've always talked about,

it's never happened so far, but we've always talked about wanting to do a buddy cop or buddy movie of some kind together. I was obsessed with trying to do like a spies like us thing because I thought Donald and I could really do, we both love playing guy way in over his head. Yeah. And the idea, I mean, I don't wanna,

I would never dare to attempt to remake Spies Like Us because I love that movie, but the premise of that, like two spies that are fuck ups that get in way over their head, I thought Donald and I would be really funny at. But it's funny, I don't know that you wrote a section in the book about that because Donald and I always talk about wanting to do something like that. Yeah, but like, yeah, go ahead, man. Oh, I was gonna say that's how you could tell I was like, I had just finished up the

movie book at the same time I was doing the scrubs thing and I had rewatched all of like buddy cop movies. And I was like, yeah, this is like, this makes too much sense. Now, sure, you work, sorry, go ahead, Donald. It does make sense, man. I think Turk and JD would, and it really comes through, Zach, on the episode, your first episode that you directed, where we're doing the whole Heather Graham thing. It really comes through there. Like that's a buddy cop movie or a buddy comedy in itself right there.

These two dudes go on an adventure, and it's a silly one too, so his boy can get some ass. You know what I mean? That's like... With a letter from Elliot. Actually Shay, you wrote that in the book a little bit too, because you're talking about Molly Shannon's character in that episode, and that's one of my favorite episodes ever.

We bring it up a lot, because it was a pivotal moment for me, because it was the first one I got to direct, and it was epic, and Donald and I went on a quest that all took place over one night. For budget, most of the time we would be confined to the hospital with going out a little bit here or there, but it's very expensive to bring a full film crew out into the real world and sometimes what Bill would do

is he'd sort of save up. So we'd have episodes that were mostly contained to the world of the hospital and then he'd use the budget money he'd saved, then we'd do like a big ass one. That's why there'd be like the Wizard of Oz or the Medieval Times one or this one with Heather where we were out all night long.

Yeah. I wanted to ask you, Shay, I wanted to say just before we get into the episode, I really am impressed by how hard you hustle and work. And we're both on Twitter, we're all on Twitter, and I always see a lot of writers asking you for advice and how do I do it. I'm just so impressed with how hard you work.

You write your ass off, you then go off, and you really talk to your followers and say, hey, support the cause. I'm here working my ass off. And I made a thing I think you're going to like. And I don't know, I just, I've always been impressed by how hard you work. And I wondered if you, if you wanted to speak to that for, for anyone, it could be about anyone trying to go after their dream, but you, you particularly do it with your writing.

Yeah. Well, I think that's, that's probably like an extension of, of several different things. We grew up, like we live in San Antonio now, but I grew up on the other side of town. We were real poor. Nobody was finishing school or anything like that. So that's always in the back of my head. If shit goes wrong or if I make a few mistakes, we could fall all the way back there.

So that's part of it. But also in the case of the the the scrubs thing, like this was a thing that I was publishing independently. You weren't going to find that in bookstores. The only way anybody was going to find out about it was directly through me at the start of it. So like I'm not going to just sit there and cross my fingers and hope somebody backs their way into it. Yeah. I'm trying to be like the guys at guys at the fucking mall that comes spraying you with perfume. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm gonna be that kind of salesperson.

Or the guys in New York with the rap album. They always try to get you to buy their- They're the strong, dude, that's the strongest hustle ever because a part of that hustle is also like strong arming you to buy- I know, and I always do it. I always do it because I feel so bad by the time you've walked two blocks with them. You're like, dude, I'm okay. Okay. Yeah. They're slick. They're, see, they're smart. They're like, Hey, hold this for me real quick. And then you hold it. And

they're like, all right, that's $7. Like, what the fuck? I wasn't even, I wasn't even, I wasn't even, I wasn't even trying to buy it, dude. I was, but there's the best salesmen, those guys, because by the time you've walked a block with them, you're like, yeah, yeah, I do need to hear this. You're right. That does sound good. Yeah. Yeah. They get in your ear about it.

Or sometimes it's like, dog, okay, just give me the shit. But then they're like, Donald, come on, Donald, keep it real, Donald. This is what I hate, because I get a lot of this. I seen you in the movies, dog. Don't let me... Don't fucking let me down now. I didn't let you down. Don't let me down, all right? Well, I always think in my career, the things I've done, you have to put yourself out there. You have to really... I write my own stuff. You get turned down a hundred times and you just got to keep going and keep fighting for it, keep believing in yourself. And I think that's one of the reasons

I really like what you say and do on Twitter because you do a lot of philanthropic things as well. But you're also someone who's just like, I'm going to do this on my own. Sometimes a publisher will publish it, sometimes I'll publish it, but I'm always going to be doing my own hustle, which I really appreciate. Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much. So guys, we're gonna do the episode, but go buy Shay's book. It's called, go to the website, sacredheartgang.com. Is that right, Shay? Correct. If you go to sacredheartgang.com, you can buy the book. It's a PDF you can download. It's 20 bucks.

It's really worth it. It's amazing. I've seen some people online are printing it out and kind of making their own book out of it. But support independent writers. He self published this with amazing illustrations by Arturo Torres. And I really recommend it if you're a Scrubs fan. It's very, very entertaining.

And even the parts Donald skimmed, he loved. Can we talk about the illustrations real quick? Yeah, please. The illustrations, they kind of look like the New York Times, I'm not the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, when they draw the pictures, like they look like when somebody sits in front of you and poses and stuff like, they're very lifelike, almost like.

Like a portrait is what you're trying to say? Yeah, kind of like a portrait. Yeah, absolutely, yes. Especially the one with Brendan Fraser for the title of the book, you know what I mean? With the inside, when you get to that moment. And you even say at that moment, I didn't wanna talk about that,

I hate talking about this. And Zach, before we get into the story, I wanted to say this also. It made also me watching the episode again, it made it more impactful for me because one, I knew how it was going to work out the way you laid it out in the book. I knew how it was going to end up, not only because I was made it more impactful because the way you described all of what was happening, you really told the story well, is my point. Yeah. Well, that's good writing when you like... He's writing his thoughts on something we were

a part of and I never had this experience before. I guess occasionally when someone writes a good review of something you've done, maybe it's similar, but you're writing his thoughts on this moment and it made the moment for me as a part of it more impactful. I thought that was really good writing. And then even where it stems from, how you bring it back to the episode where we lose,

where one in three patients die when they go into the hospital and everything like that. How you connect the, this is everything like that and how you connect. This is how scrubs fucks you up. They fuck you up by making you think, everything's all right, everything's all right, everything's all right. And then just when you feel like you're out of the woods

and you're safe, they drop the fucking hammer on you. You know what I mean? And it's amazing. By the way, this is how good Shay's writing is. He preempted Brendan Fraser being on this podcast. So I want you to know, Shay, that we, writing is he preempted Brendan Fraser being on this podcast. So I want you to know, Shay, that we, and I'm announcing to the fans right here and now, that the next episode will have Brendan Fraser on this podcast. That's perfect. That's perfect.

So we want Shay's going to come on and we're going to talk through Brendan Fraser's first episode. Then the next episode, we're gonna have Brendan Fraser come on and talk about it. And then, well, eventually, I guess it's season three, we'll get to the big one that's a lot of people's favorite episode of all time. When Brendan, spoiler alert, dies. This also is kind of a, is precursor the right word, to that episode.

Like, this whole episode pretty much is a dream, dude. That I didn't even remember that, by the way. You know what I mean? A lot of foreshadowing. Yeah, a lot of foreshadowing, right? I I didn't remember that either. And I truly went on this journey with JD through this whole episode of him trying to, you know, rationalize why this, oh, this is a false positive test.

This test is not to code. They're fucking up all day. I even made a note and I even made a note, wow, Sacred Heart is making a lot of mistakes in this episode. Yeah. And also, by the way, first of all, I was so fucking uncomfortable with Judy hitting on me and I didn't remember that at all. But because Donald's my best friend in the world, I was nervous that his TV wife was hitting on me. I was like, my stomach was getting uncomfortable. And then I noticed a very subtle thing. I don't know if you guys noticed this because I'm just very aware of the cinematography. I don't know if it was Larry Trilling who directed it, but we should mention that Bill Lawrence wrote this one and Larry

Trilling, one of our favorite directors directed it. And there was this weird sort of a very subtle filter on the camera for that fantasy, that long dream sequence. And I didn't remember that it was a dream sequence. I remember like, Jesus, why is this? It's usually a filter you would reserve for a closeup of a woman of a certain age where you wanted to maybe soften her wrinkles a little bit or her eyes, but if you go back and look, it's on that whole sequence.

And I was kind of like, why is this filter on? Like what, and then I was like, does this just look weird on my computer? Like what's going on? And then when it was revealed that the whole thing is a fantasy, I was like, oh, that was like a little subtle thing. You know, there's lots of little subtle things in it,

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back! And we're back! And we're back! Alright, we're gonna go into this episode, guys. I got one thing to say when we start off. What the fuck? Why do we have like a cheese plate with a meat, a cheese meat plate the size of like when you go to a party at, you know what I mean?

Like it's our cheese and meat and I, and we got like the Ralph's version of cheese and meat. It's like, it's only cheddar, it's only cheddar and American and white cheddar, yellow cheddar and American cheese. And then it's like roast beef, turkey, all rolled up. By the way, it's fucking. It's cold cuts rolled up.

What kind of charcuterie plate is that? And we're drinking wine with that. And this is our night out from the hospital. We decided to go to our apartment. Yeah, this is our big fancy night out. And Judy, and Carla says she got a nice bottle of wine. And then Donald's right, if you freeze frame it five seconds on the plate we're talking about, it's basically cubes of cheddar and rolled up cold cuts.

Well, maybe the rationalization was that we didn't know. We were so busy being doctors, none of us are cooks and we're like, oh, we're going to have an adult night. That's what they do. So this is a good example of one of the reasons I like to rewatch the show so much because every time you rewatch it you're gonna find like another little neat thing in there. So I noticed that she's saying same same as y'all did when I rewatched it yesterday and I was like the only person in this room who is upset about the situation or the setup is Carla which makes sense because she for that whole first season second season season. She's like the adult in the room yeah right and the other and the other three

are just sort of pretending to be adults so they think like this is what it's supposed to look like and she's the only one. Probably Shay, probably Dada Turk and and JD were probably tasked with getting a nice cheese plate. Yeah. We went to fuck in the supermarket and we got one of those Saran Wrap jobs. Meanwhile, she went to the liquor store and bought an expensive bottle of wine.

Right, and then we still fucked it up for her. How about, I mean, I feel bad talking, like JD knowing so much about what celebrities are naked in what movies, but it was pretty funny when he's like, Funtel and Tush Tush. They have something like that on the Playboy, I mean, nevermind. This is obviously before a website like this existed, so it does come up in the episode, but I don't think we should actively advertise them.

Unless you want to hear it, let us know. Okay. Hit up Donald on his Instagram. Hit me up on my Instagram. But you got to follow, I'll only respond if you follow. But make sure you follow him because he's very upset about his follower count. But if you don't want to take the time to Google it, just ask Donald on Instagram. Shay, you want some of this, man? We can hijack some of Zack's followers, man, and get them on our team. Shae doesn't need my followers. He's blowing up.

Well, then Shae, share some of yours with me, brother. Yeah, yeah. All right. At 112, I was kind of taken, and I think this comes up in your essay, Shae, if I'm not mistaken, but we finally see Cox like someone. Yeah. Right, yeah. He seems to never like anybody, or at least be snarky with anyone and everyone. This is sort of the first time that he's really, we see how much he genuinely

is no bullshit has a friend. Yeah, that's really, it's really like an interesting creation of a character is to put somebody in his orbit who just sort of takes away all of his like protective armor immediately. Like he has another friend later on the show, Michael Boltman's character Ron, and then when he shows up and they're like clearly close friends, but at the same time they're like poking each other in the eye every once in a while with something. But Brendan Fraser's character, Ben, is the only time we see him where he is just wide open and like just having a good old time and he loves it. Yeah, it's really charming. It really mirrors JD and Terry. It's like his Turk in a way. Just solely in the fact that like they're hugging and they're joking about hugging and they're just very, they're playing silly games, the thing with the card

on their head and they're just like, they're unabashedly themselves. Yeah, all of the things that Dr. Cox says annoys him about JD, are the things that Brent, like he talks in the voices, he's very affectionate, and you're seeing like, oh, this is like, you begin to understand, this is like why he has such a fondness for JD,

is because he reminds him of this character. Oh, that's great, Jay. I really love that analysis and I didn't see it. But it's funny, I was watching Brennan Frazier's Choice in this character for the first time in 20 years, and he is playing it very goofy and silly and it's very JD-like. And it's funny that you say that, that I never thought of it like that. It's like you're seeing, even though Cox has to keep it down because he like has to be Cox to JD, there is the, there must be some aspect of JD that reminds him of his good buddy, you know?

There's no question about it. There's no question. I like when I go at the bar at 123, when I go, neat hug. Yeah. What a fucking tool, neat hug. Yeah. Yeah. Like what a fucking tool, neat hug. Go ahead, Donald. This is something that kind of bugged me

the whole time we made this show, but later on, hindsight being 20-20, nowadays it's, I wish, I'm so happy that this happened, but Brendan Fraser brings a camera into the episode and it's a Polaroid camera. The old school Polaroid, yeah. Old school Polaroid camera.

And I'm not sure if we were doing this before or if this is where it started, but because of this moment right here, it's like, I have Polaroids from, you know what I mean? I can answer this. Okay. from, you know what I mean? I can answer this. Okay, let's get into it. Because I was wondering, we have all of these memories on celluloid because of someone bringing a camera and then it became a- It all began with this.

Is this where it began? Yeah, so here's the thing. Krista Miller and I are both photographers as our hobby and we both are camera geeks. We love new cameras, we love old cameras, we'll send each other eBay listings of cameras. She's a really talented photographer and I like to think I'm not too bad myself.

When Brendan Fraser came in, this was his real hobby, shooting with these old school Polaroids, as you guys see in the movie, the kind of Polaroid film, not that it just comes out automatically, you pull it out and then you got, it's like shake it like a Polaroid film, not that it just comes out automatically. You pull it out, and then you got, it's like Shake It Like a Polaroid picture. These you actually did have to wait for a minute for them to cook, and then you'd peel it off,

and there'd be a beautiful shot. And this camera that he's shooting with was actually Brendan's. And he brought it in, and of course, and he was taking pictures. All the pictures you see at the end of the episode in that tin that he has were all shot by him over the course of his week hanging out with us.

And then Krista and I, of course, got so into it. We were like, oh my God, we gotta get one of those. Where do we buy them? And then over the years, Donald, that you have a lot of Polaroid pictures because I have a bunch of these cameras now. And I'm sure Krista's given you some too because she does too. But the bulk of the cameras now. And I'm sure Chris has given you some too, because she does too.

But the bulk of the ones you have, I'm sure, I got super into it. And I was going on eBay and buying all these old cameras. That's why, that's, it all started with this. Okay, so all right, that's what I was running, because it got ridiculous too at some point. At some point it was like a battle between everybody who took pictures on the fucking show

to bring in their new toy, you know what I mean? Whether it was a Leica or a Canon or a fucking, or a Point, this is the, this is the Rolls-Royce of Point and Shoot or this is the Crim de la Crim of- How do you think I feel when you're talking about your new animation gadget? But listen, I- I don't fucking sit, I don't go to you, dude man I just fucking got a C-Stand man I'm really excited I don't fucking hit you up and do that shit. No but

on your Instagram you post shit like I'm doing on this is on the ones and I just got this new gadget called LR259. You think I give a fuck how you're animating? Just show me the, show me the finished product. No, but he's right. In addition to Kristen, I, there's also a huge camera department and, and, uh, and with all sorts of, you know, everyone in the camera department loves cameras. So yeah, there was a lot of camera talk on the set. I'm sorry. I'm sorry we annoyed you with that.

It wasn't annoying. I look back at it now and I'm so grateful for it because I have all of these memories captured. Yes, now I wanna know why JD, who we've established is a very good doctor, albeit young, is passing out at a nail in someone's hand. I mean, hasn't he seen far worse things? That shit is gross though, no matter how you look at it, man. Really?

No matter how you, for some reason. He's fucking cleaned out people's rectums. Yeah, but when the shit's still in you, that's scary, man, because it has to come out. And when it comes, look, you see in the movies, all right, you ready? One, two, three, and then they pull it and the person's like, ah!

That was the first thing I thought of. I was like, they gotta take that shit out. It didn't cross your mind. Well, as I understand it, being a fake doctor, you don't wanna pull it out before you get to the ER because then that's what that thing is stopping the blood from coming out. In some cases, yes, in some cases.

By the way, please don't take this as medical. Please Google, please Google the right thing to do. Don't listen to me. Because in some movies, when dude gets shot with a bow and arrow or something like that, or, or, or, or get stabbed with a knife and they got to make the escape. Yeah. You know, it's the eye con, it's the close eye contact and everything, but they're

looking face to face and they're like, all right, you ready? I'm ready on three. One, two, you said on three. That's true. Well, anyway, I thought it was surprising that the episode begins with JD passing out at a nail in someone's hand. He literally faints. He literally faints like a person in old movies faints. Right. Like, be still. Yeah, like, yeah, back of hand. The vapors. The vapors.

Now this is a real thing in hospitals. Mix-ups are, I mean, they've taken all these steps in the intervening years between this show and 2020 to make sure that fuck-ups are very, very, very rare. I just started watching this show on Netflix, this is a documentary show, if you're into real doctor situations called Lennox Hill, where they're following around real doctors,

and I just noticed that they go in to do brain surgery on someone and there's this whole process where they're like, we'll be doing this on the right side of the brain. Does anyone hear right? Raise your hand if you heard right. And there's this whole system in place now where the nurses are like, I heard right.

I heard right. I heard right. And they're like, sign. He signs his name on the woman's skull before the surgery. Like, my point is everyone in the medical community who listens to the show is laughing at me because I'm explaining it so horribly. But it made me think of that

because there's so many systems in place now to make sure fuck-ups happen less because it is a thing in hospitals. But it's also really funny how they figure out the mess-up was happening, you know what I mean? Wait a second, I imagine that this guy is Jewish. Yeah, of course he is. Then why isn't his penis circumcised?

And then Todd runs in, hey, Dr. Winn wants to know if there's some sort of mix-up because our appendix surgery doesn't have an appendix. And then he walks into the room and he's like, can you believe what the, whoa! What is going on here? That shit made me laugh so hard. By the way, I laughed so hard at that,

but I didn't understand something. I mean, I laughed so hard at that, but isn't it just an uncircumcised penis? Why is Todd so freaked out by an uncircumcised penis? He's a fucking surgeon. He's not freaked out by it, but what it is is it's, you know, the person's covered in a complete, a cheat, right? And it's covering their whole body.

And the only thing sticking out and there's a big light shining on it, obviously, is this dude's penis. And his balls. And his balls. And his balls, yeah. But why don't we, Donald, if you fans are listening, go back, you can see when Rob comes in and says, whoa, what is going on here?

You can see Donald under his mask starting to laugh. And like, Donald, I can see you biting your fucking cheek. That shit was hilarious. He's fucking... Dude, man, I forgot how... I say this over and over again. Robert Maceo. Holy shit.

I forgot how funny he is, man. We used to fucking fuck with him all the time and, oh, let's go run line and everything, but he fucking crushes it every time. Every time. Dude, that's the funniest line on the show. Whoa, what is going on here? What is going on here? Even in my brain, I was thinking like, well, why is he so surprised to see a penis? But Donald... Oh man, then I looked at Donald and I know that looked better than anyone. You're lucky you had that mask over your face.

Oh God. bad than anyone that you're lucky you had that mask over your face. He's like, he's like, his face is like scrunched up like this. Nicole Sullivan's back. Nicole's back on this episode. Yeah. Chris is back. Uh, yeah. The Nicole Sullivan story, you know, uh, Shea, you could speak on this also. This was one of those things where you throw her in there,

just so you can, just so the audience remembers, okay, there's this character, and we have plans for her later on. And to make this connection, to make what happens to her, to make you feel it more, we're gonna introduce her on some silly shit, just so you're comfortable, like, oh, this is just somebody who comes into the space,

into the universe for Elliot to make funny jokes with. And you kind of don't realize, okay, at the end of this, something bad's gonna happen, even though we're laying out the crumbs, you know what I mean? Some things, you know. Yeah, Shay talks about that in his book, actually, with the Brendan arc of it all,

about how Bill wasn't, was totally not afraid to play the long game with these people, right Shay? Like they laid the foundation for Brendan and then that episode doesn't happen until two years later. Yeah so that's the one question I wanted to make sure I asked when I came on here was when y'all are doing that stuff with the Nicole Sullivan character or with the Ren and Fras character, do you know ahead of time, like, okay, in fucking three years is when we're gonna get rid of the,

you just sort of. Well, we should throw it to Bill. Let's throw that question to Bill. Let's throw the Brendan one to Bill, because I was thinking about doing that as well. Bill, when you had Brendan on in season one for these two awesome episodes, we have Shay Serrano here,

and of course Bill knows who you are, Shay, because he hits you up on Twitter as well. Bill, was it your intention that you would kind of play the long game and then bring Brendan back in season three for the episode everybody loves at the funeral? Was that on your radar this far out? Because we're, uh, cause we're, cause you know, we're talking about also Nicole Sullivan character and how one of the things you did really well in scrubs was not be afraid to play the long game with these characters. But first of all, Bill, please don't, don't, don't say five, six, seven, eight. Hey guys.

Uh, I guess we'll just continue this relationship in which you only reach out to me when you need me. And I'm supposed to feel good about that. No, I do feel good. Look, Brendan, he's an old family friend, good friend of Chris's. And when we brought him on, initially, we thought, wow, it was back when we'd kind of bring guest stars on, get to know them and kill them. But we thought it was kind of a good enough thing to give him leukemia and kind of see Dr. Cox

rise to the occasion and deal with it. The first episode is based on a short story called Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge by Ambrose Bierce, if anybody wanted to look that up. Second episode, it's just a cool excuse to use the worthless peons, Ted's band and all you guys. And Brennan was so good when he agreed to come back, it was perfect because we were able to do that Sixth Sense homage. So we always knew we wanted to kill

him, but we hadn't planned, we had hoped but hadn't planned for him to come back. And when that happened, it's one of our favorite episodes ever. All right. We have a fan that we're going to take. We're going to commercial, and then we come back. Do we ever go to fan and then go to commercial after the fan? How come we always got to go to commercial before the fan? Is this like a...

Oh, because it's a segment thing. I got it. It's a segment thing. Yeah. I mean, when Joelle, we first started making the show, Joelle had a very organized list of the way the show would go. And then since all we do is ramble all over the fucking place, we just occasionally ask her if we should go to commercials. I know, but it's always like... It's always a tease though for the...

It's always a tease for the people listening to the podcast. Oh, we've got a listener here, let's... You know what? We should probably go to a commercial. No, but I think that, I think that, you know, on, on real TV shows and radio shows, you want to, you want the audience to stay on the line, right? On the fishing line. You want to keep them hooked. When we come back, we're going to have an exciting caller. But we don't do it that way. We never do it that way. We always do it.

Let's try it that way. Let's try and sell it this way. Do you want to try and sell it? Pretend that they might change the channel or switch to the don't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't you touch that down when we come back. We'll have a call. Don't you touch that down. We back in two and two. Hey kids.

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Listen to Fighting Words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi guys. Hey, how's happening? Hi, guys. Hey, how's it going? What's up, guys? Gentlemen, it's Dylan and who else? This is Cam. And Cam.

Dylan and Cam. There's your official Oprah voice, guys. That's the prize you get for making it on the show. You get an Oprah voice intro. Dylan and Cam, where are you guys at? It looks like you're like in a bunker underground with- Yeah, pretty much, yeah. We have a little bar area in our basement.

We're kind of hunkered down right here, but we're in La Crosse, Wisconsin. Okay, Wisconsin in the house. Nice. Well, welcome guys to the show. We have Shay Serrano joining us, who's written an awesome book on scrubs and is an incredible bestselling author.

And he probably knows more about scrubs and an incredible bestselling author and he probably knows more about scrubs than Dillon and I. No, he definitely does know more about scrubs. Well, that's because Dillon smokes a lot of weed. But you can ask us any question or maybe you're off. Are you off this hour, Dillon? Do you mean did I smoke today? No, because there was a couple podcasts where you said you were taking a break from weed and I wonder if that stuck.

No, that night. Didn't take. That night. Didn't take. That night I went back to the well. He always tries to brag, Shay. He's like, yeah, I'm off weed. I'm like, for how long? He's like, an hour. That's how it starts. That's how it starts, one step at a time.

One step at a time. All right, Dylan and Cam, what's up? What's your question, guys? Welcome. Yeah, good to be here, man. Really big fans and a really huge fan of Shay too. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, Shay. That's great. Did you guys buy the book? Oh, yeah. I printed it out. Oh, my god. For you listeners, they held up Shay's book on The Office, and they had printed it out and binded it. So these guys are real Shay fans. Oh, I love, they held up Shay's book on The Office and they had printed it out and

binded it. So these guys are real Shay fans. Oh, I love, yeah. Love Shay. Shay's probably my favorite author, yeah. That's awesome. Right on, man. Right on. Thank you. Oh, wow. Nice, Shay. All right. A question for, I guess it's probably going to be for Shay, but Donald and I are here too. So I guess if you guys want to hop in with this too, but for Shay, so you've written obviously conference room five minutes for the office you written, where do you think we are for scrub? Is there another show that you've been thinking about?

Or is there maybe one that maybe Donald or Zach would really like to kind of see from you as well? Ooh, that's good. I like I like my part, but you go first, Shay. There hasn't been one that I thought of yet. Usually, whenever I'm working on one of these people will like start tweeting me, Oh, do the wire do Arrested Development do Sons of Anarchy or Mad Men or whatever. But but mostly these things just

sort of happen organically. Like I've been I've been watching scrubs for so long. I've seen it so many times. It was like, well, you know, let me let me do something with all of the times I've watched it. And then it becomes like, oh, I was actually just working hard all of that time, instead of just sitting around watching TV. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's a nice way to spin it. You're like, you're like, I wasn't wasting those hours. I was writing a book. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's like a 180 something episodes of the show you watch 90 hours of TV that you've seen four or five times all the way through. But yeah, usually just if a show will grab

a hold of me then I'll then I'll write about it but I haven't I don't have any plans right now to do to do another one. All right, I have an idea. Which one do you want? Which one do you want him to do? I was just well the whole time he was talking I was half listening and half thinking. I think my I think I don't know if you watch the show, Shay. Donald, I don't think watches it, but I really loved Atlanta. Oh, Atlanta is great. That's a really good one. And I think it's ripe for analysis because it's got so many trippy storylines

and so much social commentary. And I just I just think it's incredibly done. Yeah, that's a really that's a really good one. But they're not done yet. It doesn't work. They're done. Yeah, that's a really good one. But they're not done yet. It doesn't work yet. You gotta wait till they're done. Yeah, you gotta wait till you get all of that. Now, The Wire, a lot of people say The Wire is,

I have to admit, I only watched season one, so please don't yell at me. But a lot of people think that's the greatest TV show of all time. Is that on the top of your list? Yeah, that's absolutely on there. The Wire, Breaking Bad, Soprano, like, you know, all of the main ones.

Right. I've never seen any of these shows. You haven't? No. You've never seen Breaking Bad? No. No, you only watched the finale. I watched the finale, that was it.

You only watched the finale. It's the only episode you ever saw. So here's my thing. Here's my thing. I have a hard time investing in shows because what happens is either they get canceled or they disappoint you in the end, right? That's my issue with things. I hate when, you know, there's a

cliffhanger at the end of the season and then the show gets canceled and you don't get to finish, you know. And then surely there's a series, what's a series that you watched, like that you just loved? All of it. The Clone Wars. It's got to be Star Wars. It's only Star Wars yeah I mean that that that that well yeah I you know that was there anything non Star Wars no like you know Bill Lawrence used to say it all the time and it's so true you you tell people when you when people meet you and they say, I'm such a huge fan of your show, nine out of the 10 times, they've only seen it like a

handful of times, you know what I mean? And haven't seen it more than that. Um, and so, uh, I, I fall in that category. If I were to see Brian and Aaron, I would be like, I'm such a huge, I was such a huge fan of Breaking Bad, I only saw the final episode. Oh no, you wouldn't tell me. I wouldn't let you admit that. That's crazy.

I already told them it's all over the air now. There's somebody that's going to come back to them and say that shit now. But you know what I mean? Like, like I watch every now and then I'll check out a CW show, right? Like I love superhero movies, right? So I'll check out the flash or I'll check out legends of tomorrow, or I'll check out a CW show, right? Like, I love superhero movies, right? So I'll check out The Flash, or I'll check out Legends of Tomorrow, or I'll check out, you know, Arrow.

And I've only seen, like, you know, out of all of them, I've seen maybe, you know, 30 of them total, like, of all of the shows total. But when I see the actors and stuff in it, I genuinely do love what I have seen. So I'll be like, I'm such a fan of your show, even though I've only seen each show a few times. So the message for all those actors is

that Donald is totally bullshitting you when he says he's seen your show. No, I'm not. I'm telling the honest to goodness truth. I am a- Do you like Supergirl? I have seen that a few times. Do you like it? What about Smallville? What about Smallville?

I only saw that show a couple of times also, and I like, you know, because... Dark Angel. Which one was Dark Angel? This one was Jessica Alba. I didn't watch that one. I didn't watch. I never checked that one out. Wait, you also used, didn't you used to watch, there was a sci-fi show you used to watch? Oh, Battlestar Galactica. Take it back. If you do Battlestar, yeah't you also used to watch, there was a sci-fi show you used to watch? Oh!

Battlestar Galactica, I take it back. If you do Battlestar, yeah, you should do Battlestar Galactica. Yeah! I never watched Battlestar Galactica. There we go. Thank you, Zach. Thank you. I remember, I remember, I got into a huge...

I was searching my brain for you. I was like, I know there was one sci-fi show you actually watched that wasn't a fucking Star Wars animated cartoon Yeah, I remember I got into an argument with my girlfriend at the time because I thought she Taped over my Battlestar Galactica episode. I remember Did you watch that one Shay I did not watch about a side you guys Dylan cam. Did you guys, Dylan, Cam, did you watch Battle Star Galactica? Yeah, I've seen it as well. Do you guys like it?

Yeah, I'm not super big in sci-fi, but that one, I was pretty... I think as far as sci-fi shows that people have liked, that's one of those ones everyone says was canceled too soon and people really love it. Katie Sackhoff is a, she's a G if you ask me. You know what I mean? Like she's one of those action heroes that is a good, like she straight up is a true action star who deserves the opportunity to carry some project.

They say she's gonna be in The Mandalorian this upcoming season as Bo-Katan, which would be really fucking dope. My grandmother used to live in Boca Raton. Right. Well, these characters, these, these characters all travel from clone wars. Does it take place at an old Jewish community center in Florida? You can eat an ass. Joelle, do you watch, um, uh, Battlestar Galactica? Cause you like the sci-fi stuff.

Yeah, uh, I came very, very late to Battlestar Galactica, so I'm currently in the middle of season one, but really loving it. It's amazing, it's excellent, it's good writing. If you're a Star Trek and or Star Wars fan, you'll probably find something you like in Battlestar Galactica. Alright, so guys, to finish that question off, do you have a show that that like you would love Shay to one day do a book about each we're gonna ask both of you Yeah Okay, I would love breaking bad personally breaking that would be really sick. I think it's a really really good show Yeah, that would probably be My top twice maybe Parks and Rec would kind of be a more fun one

I'm more light-hearted, but but I would probably say Breaking Bad would be a really cool one. All right, how about you? I've always been a huge fan of the show Dexter. I'd love to see you do that. In my opinion, it's one of the best shows. Start and then kind of drop top right at the finish. Where I think Breaking Bad is better in the series. But I think at best, Dexter is better.

Yeah, I think Dexter might kind of fall in line with Donald's of kind of a slight disappointment at the very end but yeah I was gonna say that's one that's another show where I only watched the last episode and I was like what the fuck is this? This is the strangest tradition I've ever heard of. What the heck? No it's not! I don't know anybody else that does this. That's bullshit Shay did you ever see when Harry met Sally?

That's a, Shay. Did you ever see when Harry met Sally? That's a totally different example. Do you remember when Billy Crystal, when she's asking, when he tells her how dark he is, and he's like, I read the end of the book before I start? That's me with movies. That's me with television shows. That's so strange.

But that's me with television shows that everybody's like, you should watch this. You know what show you would like? You would like this show. You miss like the whole buildup of everything. Like you can't. Okay, we were talking about Nicole Sullivan character. Yeah. Yes. And the and the season eight finale, when JD is doing the walk down the hallway, and she pops up out of the out of the thing. and she's like, there you are and you get so fucking excited. Like there's like a real jolt of joy in your body when you see that.

If you haven't watched all the other episodes, you don't understand what that, you think this is just a person who happens to be out there. You can't just watch the final episode. So then that makes me ask, is the final episode of Scrubs a good episode? It's a great episode. It's the most popular episode of Scrubs.

Fantastic. Cause the Breaking Bad finale is a fucking movie. All I needed to know was that this dude, Walter White, was this freaking super duper. I'm not gonna let this continue. I'm gonna have an intervention. Why? Why?

Why? Because you will get so, I mean, let's just take Breaking Bad because I feel like it's a show that everyone listening to this probably loves and watches. Right, but that last episode is a movie. It's a fucking movie. Right, but wouldn't you like-

It's just like the 26th hour with Edward Norton, where he finally, where he's aboard, I forget the name of the damn movie. I forget how many hours, there was a lot of them. There's a lot of them, but he fucking, he's a drug dealer who goes to jail. You don't need to know everything that goes on before the movie, the movie starts. You're invested the minute he gets caught out there

after, you know what I mean? And is going to jail and it's the end of the story. It's the end of his run. But you can watch that movie and understand all of the parts by the time you get to the end of it. If you only watch the finale of Breaking Bad, like you by the time you get to the end of if you only watch The finale of Breaking Bad like you kind of you don't understand why it's so important that he saves Jesse in that moment You're like, I don't get it. Why did he save this one kid and kill everybody else?

I don't understand why he had to walk through the meth lab the last time I don't understand why they play this particular song like you you're missing so much of this thing that you got to watch the rest Yeah, you got to watch it. All right. Wait, let, wait, let's ask the guys if they have another question. Go ahead, guys. Do you have another one? So you guys had mentioned earlier in the podcast series that you guys used to be roommates, right? Yes.

We were roommates for a year. I mean, for a half of it, for summer. For summer. For summer. So maybe I'm trying to stir in the pot a little bit here, but what was some of your biggest pet peeves living with each other? So I got to the loft first we rented this loft for the summer and the loft it was enormous It was like your dream loft in terms of size But it didn't wasn't really that set up in terms of like two nice bedrooms two nice bathrooms

So I claimed the nice bedroom because you know I got there first right? That's what you do right then I gave Donald what was technically the second bedroom, but it had a washer and dryer in it. And he goes, who do you think I am, Benson? And you guys are young, you don't know, but Benson was a show where, how do you explain Benson? I don't know. Benson was a show, Robert Guillaume played Benson,

and he was the assistant to- He worked for the mayor He was an assistant to the mayor He was saying like pretty much like who do you think I work for and and Benson was the one that pretty much? Ran the country while because the mayor was this you know Bumbling well he wasn't a bumbling mayor, but he was Benson was the one that handled everything right he handled the house He handled everything and for some reason,

to me, that shit was kind of fucked up. You can say like Benson should be the fucking mayor. Benson should have been the mayor and the mayor should not have been the mayor. But that's not why I was pissed off. I was pissed off because it was like, yo, you're going to put me in the fucking room with the washer and dryer? Of all the rooms. Look, it was either that or like a law. It was like a... There was a cot right outside of his room. And I was like, I'll take the cot. I'll take the fucking cot. Yeah. And then I didn't really have a door. So we were very open with each other that summer.

We were very, very open with each other that summer. We touched tips. No, I'm just kidding. No, no, no, we didn't. We docked. We did dock. Did we dock? We never docked. We never docked. Okay. No. That was the most of the dream. This is all going to get this. Oh boy. No, we're not cutting this out. Listen, this is what always happens on the show. We say something like that and then Dalla goes, we're cutting this out. And then we almost never cut it out. We used to play ping pong in our boxes. In our underwear. Do, we had a lot of great times.

I remember- I think the writer Amy Tan, is that a famous writer, Joelle? Okay. As I understand it, the writer Amy Tan lived beneath us and she was not happy that two guys partying all summer were in the loft above her. Yeah. And she wrote us a letter. We would get notes like, Amy Tan is furious.

You guys need to fucking quiet down. She was like, she would write notes like, do you guys have fucking elephants upstairs in your apartment? Yeah. Because the banging, I can only imagine, she would write some pretty unique notes though. She was a writer.

Yeah, well, she was a good writer. They were beautifully written. She wrote the Joy Luck Club. Holy shit, we were fucking with the lady who wrote the Joy Luck Club. Well, we weren't fucking with her, we were just having fun. And I remember her very well-worded angry letters. Yeah. I wish you still had them. Yeah, she pulled out the thesaurus for some of those. I know, we can probably sell them on eBay. Those are worth something Amy tans angry letters

All right, we got to keep going thank you guys for coming on Donald. Thank you. Hey, thank you guys What is that on your shirt says summer league? Yeah Vegas summer league so she probably knows about summer league yeah mba yeah basketball back you probably don't know too much about no but donald does donalds are you but no yeah we're big bucks fans bucks fans and okay right on how long do you think you can hold at the toku po there for uh he's resigning yeah you heard he's resigning he heard it You heard it. You believe so? He's not coming to San Antonio show. No, he isn't. I mean, look, here's the thing.

Do they come out of the... I mean, there is no East this year or West for the for this bubble round that they're talking about at Disney, right? It's just a bunch of teams thrown into a pot. Is that what it's going to be? I think they are still doing the East-West. It's something weird, though. It's kind of weird how they have it set up, but

It would be nice if they just threw teams into a pot so you could get you know first rounds with like Houston versus Milwaukee or Houston versus you know, Washington. That'd be really cool. But what's his name again? I want to try and use it Yanis Otitokumpo Yanis Otitokumpo Yanis Otitokumpo Otitokumpo Yes Kumpel. Yana said to Yana's. Yeah, I didn't Kumpel. Oh, yeah. Ness. Artita Kumpel. Artisa Kumpel. Yes. Or a really cool story. Well, I need to Kumpel and to Kumpel.

Well, I got to tell you, he's a really great player. And what I like about him is he's always in the paint. That's actually true. Yeah, actually, he reminds me of Rodman because he's always getting those rebounds. Wow. Once again. Not bad. Not bad.

Damn. Not bad. Not bad, Zach. Speaking of basketball, kind of a quick little shared story. I think back to the episode where, I don't think it was a fan, it was like a flashback to where you guys got to go see Michael Jordan. And when we were in high school, I won tickets to a box Lakers game and a shout rest in peace, Kobe Bryant, but we got to go see Kobe Bryant play. And we rolled up and that's where it ends.

Don't be Kobe Bryant. And I take it. I take it. Unlike JD and Turk, you guys remember the tickets. I take it, right? Yeah. You're my friend. You brought the sandwiches, right? Yeah.

Isn't that like in Scrubs lore, Dalton, is that how you began to lose your hair? You first started pulling it out there? I don't know how I began to lose. I don't know how Turk started to lose his hair. you first started pulling it out. I don't know how I began to lose, I don't know how Turk started to lose his hair, but. That was the first moment. That's one of the first moments. All right guys, thank you so much for coming on,

we really appreciate it. Appreciate it, George. Hey, if you're ever in Wisconsin, come play tennis with us back, we're tennis coaches too. Oh really? Oh, right on. I love tennis, I love it, I love it, I'll find you guys. All right.

All right, well, see find you guys. All right You know, I appreciate that they knew how to tap into the one sport that I could talk about And they were they were very good guests. I like that Masi Masi is back in this episode. Yeah Which is great. He went on to become a time-traveling hero. That was another show I watched, Che Heroes. I watched that all the way through. Yeah. By the way, a couple of goose bumps, I had goose bumps multiple times in this episode.

The first was 9.56 when they're playing pool in the bar and Ben's hand is still bleeding and the look Cox gives to JD, it really moved me. Cause for the first, and it's my opinion cause I was reading your essays and now it was all emotional, Che, but I went, my first reaction was Cox can't hide the fact that he respects JD as a doctor to know

that he'll know what that could mean. Yeah, immediately. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It was like, you know, Cox is always fronting like, oh, your girl's name and JD, you suck. And, but obviously under undercurrent trying to build him up. But that was a moment of shock where he looked to it

as a peer, as a peer and went, you know what that could mean. Yeah, that's like it. So you see him do it in the pilot. It was like the first time he like expresses some sort of like not admiration, but like, you know, I'm gonna grab ahold of you and take care of you. And then this time was the first time

when he doesn't say anything, there's no words at all He just looks and he knows and JD knows and the only person who doesn't know in that moment has been yeah It's like oh, it's about I was really struck by the respect that he I mean Obviously in his mind wasn't I'm gonna now respect this person It was just it didn't he didn't have a moment to put on his airs, if you will. He didn't have a moment to put on his front. He just had an instant reaction to a fellow doctor and went, oh fuck, you know what this could mean.

I just thought that was. It's totally different than when you see him at the very beginning of the next episode, when he walks into the room and JD and Jordan and Ben are in there and JD is doing the thing about like we knew you know you don't need a we don't need a resident we need a like a hero and then he comes walking in and now now he's prepared for the situation and doing the whole thing but yeah you're exactly right in that moment.

And then and the second time first of all I just want to say at 10.05 there was a really cool transition moment that Larry Trilling did from I love how they went from the bar right to the exam room. That was cool. Also, before we move forward with that, he says, I've never asked you out for a beer before, but he had asked you out for a beer before, and that was when he lost his shit and tore up the lab that day, and he was having his worst day, and you got caught up in it, he does invite you out for a beer. You guys go to a bar, and you drink beer,

and you drink together, actually. So that was very weird that he was like, I've never asked you out. I never asked. Well, maybe he blocked it out. Whatever, I'm just, you know. You're just trying to show off that you're like the Scrubs Wiki guy. I'm, well. By the way, a lot to show off that you're like the Scrubs Wiki guy.

I'm, well. By the way, a lot of laughter on my Insta comments about Scrubs Wiki guy. They were like, someone was like, that guy pulled a total Dorian. And people were just laughing about how, but no offense, Trevor, we got you now. You're gonna be our Scrubs Wiki guy.

Right, Donald? I mean, he doesn't necessarily want to be the Scrubs Wiki guy. Right, Donald? I mean, he doesn't necessarily want to be. No, but I kind of like that about his character. No, but I kind of like that about his character in the show. He's like a reluctant. He's like a reluctant. He's reluctant. So yeah, that's what you do. Trev, think of it as like the hero's journey. In the beginning, you don't really want to do it. But. Once you get on board you're off to a adventure that of adventure of a lifetime. Yeah Trevor by the time we do a 182 episodes you'll be happy that you came along on the journey. Hey kids

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just say no and it was just really really powerful because it was one of those moments that Shay's talking about where there just been a silly moment of of the fantasy of what happens in that blood test guy's office and Doug being, you know, Doug. And then all of a sudden, bam, we just drop in with, hey, this guy we just made you fall in love with, he's got leukemia. She's so good in like every single moment. Like she has this, like her player efficiency rating has got to be fucking outrageous. Yeah. Which is like, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. If you were playing NBA 2K, she's like 96, 97. It's unreal. She's like just straight up, she's glitch mode, man. Yeah. Just I think three words, four words are in there. Judy fucking crushes it every time. Yeah.

I think that she is an incredible actress and in the show, she was the perfect tool to use for moments like this, because she was the heart. She was the heart of, she was the conscience and the heart for everybody. At least the first two seasons, I think as the show went on, she became as much of a character as we, you know, as all of us did. But in the first two seasons, she was definitely the grounding factor to All of you know what I mean to everything mm-hmm So then we go into this fantasy that we don't know is a fantasy to the very end of the show

And all of this happens in JD's imagination which which again we talked about it early in this podcast, but You know that totally foreshadows the the giant mislead we do in season three with with Johnny not knowing that that that Ben's gone. So it's just really interesting that that Bill not only introduced Ben for for the long haul but then mirrored that sort of wacky fantasy structure. Well so when when when you reached out and asked which episode I wanted to be on, like if I could, if I wanted to be on a thing, that was the whole reason that I ended up picking this one.

Because I think this episode in season one especially is like the one episode where we see the most amount of tricks that Scrubs is able to pull off that maybe a lot of shows aren't. So if we have, if we like put a list together, you have that great scene where where Elliot makes herself cry to get the, to get the guy to redo the thing, right? So this is like her being very silly in the situation, but to do that as an actor, I imagine is incredibly tricky. Yeah, it's like pull that out of you. So you have her doing that. You have Carla

with JD in the hallway and Carla's doing her quick missile strike right here where she's just like gonna pump a scene full of emotion. You have the thing where they're playing with timelines which they they use to even greater effect later on. You have the gag with we find out the the janitors in like the background of all of these pictures. That shit had me rolling. Right. There's so much we have. We have Dr. Cox using his serious voice. He doesn't do it very often, but when he does it, you feel it. And he gives he tells JD like your only job today is to get these test results back.

Mm hmm. Like you'd love to see him drop everything to do that. You have Turk sticking up for JD. You have Brendan Fraser swooping in and being just like the perfect cameo character where you you have to be able to tell the joke but you also have to be able to like stick this landing. Yeah. There's just so much stuff going on in this one episode.

It's perfect. By the way Shay you just made me think of something else which was Sarah's bit which she really did live on camera obviously which actors often have to do and can always do, but Sarah does literally live on camera here, is get themself in a head space where they can produce tears. And that moment really encapsulates exactly what you're talking about in Scrubs being able to dance between comedy and drama,

because what Sarah's doing is very funny, but if you look at the words she's saying to get herself to cry. It's serious stuff. It's very serious. And it's the painful stuff from her life and trying to impress her father and whatever she was saying.

But it was like happening simultaneously is this thing you're laughing at. But what the woman is saying is so sad. Do you know what I mean? And then it ends with her with tears streaming down her face. It was a really great acting moment for Sarah. She's amazing Um, what about chop-chop Nancy? Oh, no, no, no

I remember that dude. I remember that day. I remember I think that was one of the first times where I was having a hard time with lines Chop-chop Nancy. No, I had the whole thing where it was like, you're going to go back there, and you're going to do this, and blah, blah, blah. I think that was one of the first times where I was like, I didn't study this. Oh, shit.

Leonard makes an appearance here. Without a hook arm, though. Without a hook on his hand. So what is the story? I read on Scrubs Wiki that the guy wrote, perhaps this episode is before his ice machine accident. I think it is.

It must be. No, I didn't remember that Leonard had lost his arm in an ice machine accident. Did you? I did not either. No, but I love that on Scrubs Wiki, it's like, this may have occurred before Leonard's ice machine accident. Well, it didn't have to, because he had a hand. So for those of you who don't remember, that's Randall Winston, our line producer, who not

only played Death, but also played Leonard. This is his first appearance in his wig. And the afro isn't that big yet either. It's like kind of... The afro... Yeah, he was keeping his fro tighter, right? But he does not yet have a hook hand. This might be, I believe, the only appearance of Leonard without his hook hand, so the ice machine.

But then again, sorry, I'm going all over the place, but this was a fantasy. So maybe in JD's weird daydream, Leonard didn't have a hook hand. Leonard didn't have a hook yet, right. He didn't recognize Leonard had a hook yet. He hadn't been paying enough attention. I hadn't noticed that Leonard had a hook yet, right. He didn't recognize Leonard had a hook yet. He hadn't been paying enough attention. I hadn't noticed that Leonard had a hook yet. So when I had a fantasy, Shay, you following this? That seems like something you would notice though.

I just wanna throw that out there. I think right. I know you've probably noticed that. So it took me a moment, cause I've forgotten. Well, I want to just mention in 1836, again, Brendan took all those pictures and they're pretty great pictures. I believe Krista still saved a bunch of them.

And and then JD. Yeah, so then I was kind of surprised by that reveal. You know, again, I've watched these in 20 years. I thought it was cool to see this, you know, and Bill was smart directorially and writing wisewise, you needed something very specific to make the audience go, this is the exact same moment. You need a device, because the audience is going to essentially track it. Keep in mind, when people were watching these, they had commercial breaks in and everything. So you need the audience to make sure they

track that whole run. And he came up with the device of the exact playing cards on their foreheads. Right. But here's the thing, he also made it seem like it was a curve ball that's, you know, not only did it curve, but the shit was a change up too. You know what I mean? Like, because you don't think that the whole thing is a daydream, you think just when he gets the paper

the second time and he meets Brendan Fraser outside, you think that's all the fan, that's just the fantasy. I'm gonna go out there and hey man, it's just leukemia. It's not leukemia, you're fine, I was wrong, I was wrong. And you know, the circle comes around and it's got this weird, you think, okay, so this part's the fantasy. And I expected you to be at the door of the exit telling him,

no, dude, here's what I think you need to come back inside, actually. And it doesn't even do that. It jumps all the way back to the moment. And so it was like a not a, it wasn't just one pump fake. It was like he was under the rim giving you the dream shake. You know what I mean? It was like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.

And then, you know what I mean? You know what's funny about that fantasy, you know, the writing is such that it's supposed to be, oh, Ben says he doesn't like posed pictures. You'll know it's a fantasy because here we are taking a posed picture. But what tipped it off even more for me was that Kelso is happily getting in a picture

with everyone. And I was like, Kelso is happily getting in a picture with everyone. I was like, Kelso would never want to be with these fucking people. Yeah, I think that's it guys. I think we did the whole episode. Yeah, we did. Che, did you have fun? Are you glad you did this? I'm really glad.

This was like a, you know, part of me is like, these are two guys who I have been watching for so long. I'm kind of nervous to meet them. I don't really like to meet the people who I admire because what if it turns out their dicks? So I had that in my head, but now you are cool. Do we hold up? Do we agree? I hope so you're better than I was Come back on is the yeah, will you come back on? Yeah, I'll come back on later on after y'all do all of the other stuff for sure Because I have a feeling what's gonna happen on all of our social media is

everyone's going to say, she was the best guest. You need to have Shea back all the time. Caramel bear. Right. Definitely. Hashtag Caramel Bear. Shout out to Efra Ramirez. Whatever happened to Caramel Bear?

No, he had, we don't know. He freaking, we went into the party and he party and he got jumped or something like that. He definitely died on the show. In real life, he's still working, but on the show, he was out here. Well, you know he has a twin brother, right? Yeah, identical. Yeah. And I remember one night we were out and his twin brother, everybody thought his twin brother

was him. And they were coming up to him going, Pedro, Pedro. And as I recall, the twin brother was rolling with it. Rolling with it and loving it. And he was like, don't tell anybody. I was like, I'm not gonna say shit, dude. I thought you were the other one. That's funny.

Oh, I had people telling me that I always say that's funny, like Mandy Moore's character does on the show. And then I need to telling me that I always say that's funny like Mandy Moore's character does on the show and then I need to stop saying that, Donald. I had someone write that to me. You guys did date, maybe that rubbed off on you. Well, I don't know if that's the case. All right, guys. Cut that out.

No, you can leave it. Listen, Shay's handle on Twitter, at Shay Serrano, S-H-E-A-S-E-R-R-A-N-O, follow him on there. He is one of the most popular fellows on Twitter. He does a lot of amazing. Just talk for a second, Shay, before we go about this cool thing you do with the FOH Army. Tell people what that is. Shea will have like drives for people that need help. He'll be like, all right, whose bills are we paying this week? And then he'll like just Venmo them cash.

So just talk about that for a second. Yeah, that's like the silly little sort of guerrilla philanthropy thing we started a couple of years ago. Or it was like, after we had enough people following me on Twitter, we were all grouped up together, if we got 100, 200, 300,000 people following, we could raise a lot of money real fast

if everybody sends like a dollar, or $2 or whatever. And so, you know, we started doing that. And then, yeah, when the coronavirus stuff hit, when the Black Lives Matter movement started up, after the George Floyd murder. We were like, you know, we're gonna try to help out in order, any situation we can. So like people will send stuff to me and we're like,

all right, cool, we're gonna fund this. We're gonna send some money out. So yeah, I think like since March 12, it's been, you know, 250, $240,000 of just like straight cash we've given to places for people. And do people give you, I think just from following you, do some people who can afford it give you like large sums and hey, say, hey, Shay, distribute this?

Every once in a while, somebody will hit me up like in my DMs and be like, hey, I don't want you to like say where this came from, but like, here's $5,000. Can you pay bills for people until this is gone? Like that happens every once in a while. Mostly though, it's like, we're all gonna chip in five bucks, 10 bucks and see what happens. That's really awesome man. That's really awesome. And he's so sweet about it. People will write him things like, oh thank you so much Shay,

I'm having trouble with my bills. And he's like, fuck that noise and he'll send them money. It's awesome. Awesome. All right everybody. That's the episode I want to thank, we want to thank on behalf of my co-host and I, Shay. Shay, you were an awesome guest, right Donald? Thank you all for having me. Amazing guest. Well, dude, this was, you know, always, you never know how your guests are gonna be, and you're somebody who wasn't on the show, but you fit in so well, man, and you're inside on our show. I'm dead serious, man.

Your insight on our show is very awesome, man. I appreciate you 100%. Yeah. And since the old Caramel Bear died, I think he can be our new Caramel Bear. And I just hope that my persona on this podcast has made Laramie like me a little bit more. I know that it was JD she didn't love, but maybe she'll like Zach Graf. She loved Garden State, so you're good. All right, good. Thank God. Zach Graf is fine. JD is questionable. Everybody loves that movie, Zach. Yeah, they do. You should have been in it, go to, um, uh, Donal Faze, Donal underscore Azon. That's, I'm trying to get all of Zach's followers. Okay.

Y'all need to come over to the dark side. All right, come over to, okay, uh, that's one way to put it. Join me, and together we will build this institution. And we will like weird memes. Um, listen, Listen, follow... With our combined strength, we can end this conflict and bring order to the galaxy. All right. That's his audition monologue. Listen, check out Shay's book, A Sacred Heart Gang.com. Please follow Donald on Instagram. I'm really getting sick of it. Wait, no, just hold on.

Let's be clear. Not just the people who are listening. Zach Braff's followers. Follow Donald. Fades on. My followers are tired of being accosted by you. And write, Joelle, your questions at ScrubsIheartatgmail.com. And please subscribe and rate the podcast because I

recently was told that that's a real thing that's good for our exposure if you give us five stars I'm like the uber driver who's like five stars five stars so give us five stars right Donald? Yeah please give us five stars. All right and five stars are better. Tell your friends we are hoping to one day when the world opens up tour this show and We'll come to will you will you come when we come to Houston? Shae? Are you still in Houston? I'm in San Antonio now, but if y'all make it to Texas, I'll show up. Wait, hold on now I heard something about Tim Duncan and that being your favorite player of all time. Is this absolutely?

Okay, why why Tim Duncan why before we go? Why just this doesn't even have? Before we go, why? This doesn't even have to be on a podcast. I just need to know this because Tim is one of my favorite players too. He's not my favorite player. But why Tim Duncan? Okay, let me tell you that there's a very personal connection that Tim Duncan has with San Antonio and that he showed up in all of a sudden a city that had an inferiority complex, you know We're not as as hip as Austin. We're not as cool as as as Houston or whatever They beat us in the playoffs blah blah blah

He shows up and all of a sudden we have the guy on our team that everybody's afraid of and he's going to war And he's not backing down You got to fucking kill this guy in the playoffs if you want to beat him He shows up he delivers five championships for us. All of a sudden, we have the we I think he's the fifth or sixth greatest basketball player of all time. We have him on our team. He he allows you in your chest to feel like a winner to feel like a champion. You know how it feels when the team that you love wins a thing and you feel like you're a part of it. It's like Jeter to New York, man. know exactly what you mean. Yes, that's exactly or Cole Wilkinson in the original cast of Les Mis

That's what Tim Duncan did so I love him forever for that. I hear you man I feel like he had a lot of really good if it was the Justice League. He had a lot of good supporting characters He's Superman. He definitely had a Batman, and it switched off between Janobly and Tony Parker. Those guys were great, but those were not players you could take and put on other teams, and they'd be like a thing. No, well Janobly, maybe Janobly.

Janobly, Janobly you could. Maybe, maybe. Maybe Tony in his younger years. Anyway, not Tony, not as much as Janobly though. And when he, shut up man. And when he got there, he also had the Admiral David Robinson. Let's not forget that. He did have big Dave.

He did have big Dave. But Dave only got one. He got five. Yeah, yeah. No, Dave got two. Dave got two. Oh, my bad. None of them are as good as Mike Jieminski.

All right, we gotta go. We love you. Thank you, Shay. I hope we can be real friends in real life. I think you and Donald might hit it off really well. I think so too. He's like, he was a dick when I first met him. That's what I got out of the thing. No, you were cool. You were super cool. No, you were on your phone a lot. The one thing about the SSI guy was like, Donald's sitting between two fans and he's on his phone, like,

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