Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - Real Friends Classic: 206 - My Big Brother With Tom Cavanagh

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

In this week's episode, JD's older brother drops by Sacred Heart and humiliates his little brother with his lack of ambition. In the real world, Tom Cavanagh joins Zach and Donald to reminisce about the good ol' days, talk tattoos, and how to convince Greg Berlanti to put the guys in the DC Universe.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's a ringtone right there, Bubba. That's a fire song, by the way. It is a fire song. I got to tell you, since I told our listeners about it and reminded you about it, I've been singing it nonstop. It's like, you know how you usually get like a summer hooky song in your head? My summer hooky song in my head is, what you trying to get into one day, huh? That's amazing. Cause 20 years ago, your summer song was, turn me inside out so I can speak.

Cause you're everywhere to me. When I close my eyes, I wish a branch knows how many shout outs she gets on this podcast? Yeah, she should know because she's not alone. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I think Michelle Branch must be aware of how many times over the years I've spoken about her. Do you think Michelle Branch gives two shits about us? Do you think so? Yes, I think Michelle Branch likes any people that are talking about a song she wrote 20 years ago. I hear that, man.

I don't know what happened to her. She joined a band. I think she got married, had kids, joined a band. That doesn't mean she gave up her musical abilities. She's in a band right now. It's her and another young lady, and they do music together. I don't give a fuck what they do,

as long as they cover, everywhere to me. They do very good. Kasey put me onto them, because you know how Kasey works in music sometimes. And she put me onto them and was like, yo, she's dope, she joined a band. I rock out to her on my treble.

You know, I've been thinking about putting my sort of girl pop workout list on the web so people can get it. Do that shit. Yeah. Do that shit. Yeah, because. iTunes needs that.

Yeah, people, listen, I can never find a workout playlist that suits my needs. Right. A lot of people clearly agree with you on rap and hip hop because if you go on the standard playlists on iTunes or wherever, they're all like 95% that. And Hits One is all stuff I don't listen to. Like Wu Tang, do you listen to the Wu Tang?

I don't listen to, no, I don't listen to Wu Tang. But you know who Method Man is? Yeah, of course. He was in Garden State. That's right. But you do know that he is in a band with about 12 people called Wu-Tang. Yes, I know what Wu-Tang Clan is, Donald. Can you name four other Wu-Tang members? There's Wu, there's Tang, there's Clan. I'm going to say some names and you're going to be like, oh yeah, I've heard of them.

Of course I have. Oh, dirty bastard. Of course I've heard of him. He was, he was, he died, right? Yes he, he did. The RZA. Yeah, I've heard of him. I can picture him. The RZA, we hung out with him one night. Yeah, and you spell it RZA. I know that. Yeah, we hung out at Chateau. He came through and kicked it with us that night. We were hanging. You're not supposed to talk about Chateau on this actually, so let me take that back. Why? Well, you know, what happens at the Chateau is supposed to stay at the Chateau, right? Yeah, you can't be dropping Chateau things. I hung out with Drake at the Chateau once. You see? Look at you, spilling the beans.

Okay, go ahead. Who else? RZA? ODP. Older Master? Right. Method Man. Method Man. Ghost Face Killer. Yeah, I've heard of him. I can't picture his face. I can't picture his ghost face killer.

U-God. U-God. I don't know U-God. The Jizza. I don't know the Jizza. That's the genius. Inspector Deck. There you go. Wow, there's a big band. A lot of people in this band. A lot of people. Oh yeah, it's a huge band. You really like their music a lot.

Are you kidding me? I smoke on the mic like smoking Joe Frazier, the hell raiser, raising hell with the flavor, terrorizing jams like troops in Pakistan swinging through your town like your neighborhood spider-man so um tick-tock keep ticking come on now you don't know nothing about the Wu-Tang okay I came yo M-E-T-H-O-D man M-E-T-H-O-D man hey you get off my cloud you don't know me and you don't know my style you don't know this no I have a question though when you when you have a big like rap super group like that are there they all dirty baby I got your money don't you worry I said hey I know that song yeah that's before you go into another song I have a question do they all take turns like I'm gonna rap now all right now you up, you rap now, that kind of thing, like they take turns.

Well, some of them have like a connection. So you remember Run DMC growing up, right? Yes, yes, yes, yes. The Adidas. My Adidas, right. Those two had a connection. So when they rapped, they could, when they rhymed, they could bounce off of each other. Some people, it's like you and I, how we have a good, how we have good chemistry, same thing with rappers. And you look for, when you're a rapper, you look for that person that you have chemistry. Drake and Future have really good chemistry together,

so they do a lot of records together. And so it's the same thing. In the Wu Tang, because it was so big, the Wu was so big, there are little tiny groups within side of the group. Oh, there's subgroups within the Wu. Right. So Ghostface and Rayquana Chef, that's the one I forgot to mention. I should have put Rayquana. He got the best, he got probably the best, Bill for Cuban Links is probably the best Wu Tang record, in my opinion. It's got so many good songs on it.

Anyway, Ghostface and Rayquan do very well together and on record, they bounce off of each other very well. So they're a, uh, uh, now who's your favorite? If you had to pick one member of the Wu-Tang clan, that's like your favorite rapper in the group. The Jizza, the genius. I like him a lot. I liked ODB a lot. I like, I like Meth. Methadman. I like, I like all of Woo to be honest. Are they still, are they

still like, Ghostface got some of the best songs I've ever heard in my life. When the world's normal, do they still tour? I hope so. It's a lot of egos, man. It's a lot of them, man. How do you do that? How do you, that's like, look, the Jackson five couldn't stay together and they were brothers. How do you expect the Wutang Clan to stay together? When we go on the road, eventually touring this show, I feel like your ego is going to soar like an eagle out of control. It depends on if they applaud for you. You're going to have demands. You're going to have, in your rider, there's going to be all sorts of rules, no eye contact. It all depends on if they applaud for me. You're gonna have demands, you're gonna have... In your rider, there's gonna be all sorts of rules, no eye contact. It all depends on how loud they applaud for me.

If they applaud for you louder than they applaud for me, I feel like I'll fall into a little... I'll back into a little corner and cry like a little baby. But if they applaud for me more than they applaud for you, you're damn right, man. I want my bus to be bigger. Yeah. We're gonna measure up... We're gonna have the same bus. Listen, we're gonna bring Dan and Joelle, and Dan's gonna bring his thunderous applause button. Also, we'll be able to augment. Whatever the crowd does, we'll be able to augment. The audience... You ever look at an award show and you hear the applause on an award show,

and then you look around and no one's clapping? Yeah. Like, no one in an award show is paying attention. So they'd be like a third of them clapping. So they just augment all this thunderous applause. Well, that's gonna be what Dan is doing for us when we're on tour with this show. So before we start the show, Dan will be like,

all right, so I need some thunderous applause from you guys. Okay, everybody. And now I need some laughter. Need some laughter. No, no, no, no, no. And he'll kick all of the tracks? No, everybody, and now I need some laughter. Need some laughter. No, no, no, no. And he'll get all of the tracks? No, bro, he's just gonna bring it. It'll be a button he needs.

Well, hell yeah, he's gonna bring it. Dan always brings it. Yeah, Dan's gonna bring it, dude. He's gonna bring it? Of course he brings it. We're gonna have sound checks. I'm talking about the laughter. When we go to the venues.

I'm talking about the applause. I think we're probably gonna play arenas, and we're gonna need to do sound checks at these arenas. If we play arenas, imagine we go to London. And what's the big arena? The O2. And we play the O2.

That would be the best day of my life. I'm going to tell you something right now. London, make it happen. Let's math-fest it. Listen. Let's put it out there. Let's secret that shit. Listen, I'm sure we're gonna be playing like 400 seat theaters, but in reality, let's secret it that we sell out the O2 arena for fake doctors, real friends. That would be the best night of my life. Listen, you gotta put shit out there.

I got kids. You gotta put outrageous shit out there and make it come true. Remember I told you about the whiteboard? You get a whiteboard and you write the most outrageous shit you want to have happen in your life. Let's do it. And you look at it every single day. Who'd you say did that? Well, I have a lot of people in my life who told me this,

but the great anecdote I referenced on the show was, I'm friends with John Legends manager and they are, her name is Ty and they went to high school together. And she said when he first started, they got a big whiteboard and they were putting them out. They were like, let's be outrageous. Like, I don't know, cover of Time magazine, like this many Grammys. They were like sitting there laughing about the outrageous shit they were putting on this

whiteboard. And she turned to me and she said, every single thing on that whiteboard happened. And, uh, and, and she said that now I do whiteboards with all my clients and, and like, you know, so anyway, it's about manifesting. It's about making shit happen. I have a whiteboard in my bedroom and I'll, some, some things on there are like goals I have and some things on there are like outrageous. I mean, obviously we're not going to sell it to O2 arena, but I'm saying you can,

you can choose. No, put that shit on the board. It could happen. It happened for John Legend, man. The dude's got EGOT. He got the EGOT. Let's make it happen, dude. Well, maybe we have to bring John Legend if it was like... If we open for John Legend. Let's do it. Let's call it... John Legend. Yeah, man, listen, the guy's got an EGOT, okay? So put your EGOT on your board. I believe in it because you look at the board every day, and even in your subconscious brain, your mind is going, I'm going to find a way to work on that today. I'm going to make that call I'm afraid to make. I'm going to...

For some people, it's fitness. They're like, you know what? I just looked at that whiteboard and I got to get on the treadmill today. I promised myself. That's what's up. You know? I like this. I'm going to put the whiteboard in my in my bedroom get a white shirt with Casey I'm gonna be like baby. Let's put the most outrageous. Yes on this board. I'm telling you listeners

This is the I know Brene Brown very popular. This is our Brene Brown moment. This is our self-help Motivational moment on fake doctors real friends. You can make anything happen motivational moment on fake doctors real friends. You can make anything happen. Okay, dude. I love this. I love this. I love you. I love that we did this together, the four of us, and our listeners. Let's make that shit happen. Let's do it. What are you wearing? What's this? I have a sweatshirt on today because my wife is- Was that one of those Bieber things? No, it's Mickey Mouse.

You know, my 40-something crisis is being managed by just getting lots of tattoos. Nice. Good for you, man. I was always afraid to get tattoos because my father hated them. And when my sister died, I got her name in Hebrew on my arm, and my father kind of was okay with that because it was meaningful and it was Hebrew. And then when he passed away, I realized that so much, even though I was in my 40s, I still was so nervous about what my father would think. And then I was like, all right, it's time to fucking tattoo the shit out of myself. Right on. So you're gonna have a sleeve soon.

Well, I don't know about a sleeve, but where do you want your face when I get it? I was thinking my left areola. I was thinking your face for sure. I mean, your face... What if I did you on my pectoralis major and then... No. Listen, and then your mouth was open, but then in your mouth was my left areola? That's weird. That's weird.

I prefer you just got my face on your face. Like you took my face and tattooed it on your face. He just had a whole episode about this, though. No, I didn't say on his whole face, like my face on his cheek. Yeah, I don't know. Hold on now. Wait a second, wait a second. I don't know if, Joelle, I didn't say on his whole face, like my face on his cheek. Yeah, I don't know. Now, wait a second. I don't know if it's Joelle.

It doesn't qualify as blackface if I get Donald's face on my face. What's his tattoo all over your face? Joelle, can you imagine? All you can think of is him painting my face on his face. I knew the face-off text, but like in a tattoo format. No, it would be an outline. Joelle Right. No, it would be an outline. Joelle, Joelle, it would be an outline. Joelle's like now managing all of our blackface issues.

She's like, guys, sounding like that might be blackface. Hey, guys, I got to chime in here. That sounds like it might be blackface. No, Joelle, it would be an outline. It wouldn't be like colored in. It would be an outline of Donald's face. Well, I would just want it on your cheek or on your forehead. By the way, the guy who tattoos me told me that we were talking about all these young

kids that are getting tattoos on their face and how ridiculous it is. And he said that he's really surprised that any of these artists are doing it because there's sort of this unwritten code amongst tattoo artists that you would never put a tattoo on a young person's face. Right. And because of, for obvious reasons. And he said, and now that there's this fad of it happening, he thinks that they're all just doing it for Instagram fame because these kids are often, you know, famous people and they're doing it saying, fuck it, I'm going to get my 15 minutes of fame. But you know, have you seen these young people that are all tattooing the shit out of their faces?

Dude, you might not be able to get the money later. You know what I mean? Get the money now if you can. That's the, YOLO, man, you only live once. You know, all of these things. So you would tattoo a child's face, Donald? I'm not, first of all, I am not a tattoo artist, so I'll never have to put myself in this situation.

But you just told these guys to YOLO and tattoo someone's face. I'm saying the reasoning behind it is this. Dude, do you, you don't, listen, if scrubs didn't happen, you don't know what you would have done to make ends meet if you're acting and directing stuff. You know what I mean? You could have gone into a business that you might not be proud of. You might be an Instagram model right now. Put your ass in the air and a thong. could have gone into a business that you might not be proud of. You know why, but you know, I don't have to think about that. You might be an Instagram model right now.

Oh my God. Put your ass in the air and a thong. I know. Talking about, need more followers. I love how these girls, the Instagram influencer people, they took like a little time off for COVID and the Black Lives Matter movement and now they're all back fucking tushes in the air selling tea on some yacht in Ibiza. Oh my god. YOLO! Nobody says YOLO anymore. What do they say these days? I don't know. TikTok dancing. I've been

inside so long I have no idea what the kids are saying. Well they're all on some old guy's yacht doing a TikTok dance. But you know what? They must have put that shit on a whiteboard. Imagine that was on the whiteboard. Imagine that's the whiteboard. What do you want to be? That's their fucking whiteboard. I want to be on a yacht, having somebody pay for it, making that Instagram money. That's what's up. That's what's up. Hey, Making that Instagram money. That's what's up. That's what's up, hey. There it is. Go for yours.

Listen, that's what I say to everybody and anybody out there who has dreams and they want fame, as long as you don't disrespect nobody or hurt nobody, go for yours, man. Yeah, but if you can, try and go for something that contributes to society in some meaningful way. Sure, you can find yourself later on. You got, everybody has something to say. I miss you so much it

hurts. I miss you so much more dude. Should we get into the show Tom Cabana is here today. I'm so excited. Count us in y'all. Five six seven eight. a bunch of docs and nurses and a janitor who loved to hear us and hear the stories that we all should know. So gather round to hear our, gather round to hear our, Spurge Rewatch show with Zach and Donald. What a show, what a show we have today, Donald. It's a really good episode and the hilarious Tom Kavanaugh is here. We have so much to say. Let's just get in. Dan, allow him into the room. Here he comes. I haven't seen him in years. I haven't seen him in years. Tom Kavanaugh!

Oh! Look at him! Thunderous applause, Dan. Thunderous applause. Thunderous applause. Look at how handsome he is. Nice! It's like, look at him in the mirror. Let the hair grow in. Look at him, man. Like, look at him in the mirror.

That's pandemic. You got the, man. Like, look at him in the mirror. That's pandemic. You got the pandemic face going on, huh? You did get more handsome with age, Tom Cavanaugh. And I can say that because people think we look alike. This is true. I can say likewise, my friend. Look at you guys. My goodness gracious.

How are you, brother? I'm so good. So good to see your faces. Holy Hannah. It's good to see your... Are you living in Canada or do you live in the US still? Well, I live in New York, but I film a show in Canada. And when the pandemic hit, I stuck it up north. Hi, Joel. I'm Tom, by the way. I'm nice to meet you in person. I listen to you guys. So I've sort of been familiar with the

I listen to you guys so I sort of am familiar with the... Do you know I watch your show, right? You know I watch your show. I don't know that but I know you have like 27 children so I figure maybe in that demo somewhere? No, but Tommy's not watching it for his kids, he's watching it for himself. I'm watching it for me. I love The Flash, dude. Are you kidding me? That's tremendous. You've got a dynamite cast, great stories. Donald is your target demo, Tom. He watches all of this stuff. What I don't understand is- The CW is a bunch of teenage kids and Donald.

How does- Listen, man. Are you fine? Is this the only Wells now? Listen, man. Is this the only Wells now? Are you the only Wells? Is this the final Wells? Because the multiverse, the crisis happened and everything happened. And you know, there's only what like four Earth's five Earth's now in the whole arrow verse and now Supergirl lives on earth one with you guys and I don't know my point is My point is let the man fucking speak to no. No, no keep going. He's all worked up Tommy Oh, I'm really excited. I really do love the show. I really do love the show. All right, now let's-

I love you and Cisco Ramon together. I love Wells and Cisco Ramon. I love the whole thing. So look, my question is, are you the only Wells left now that you've gone off and you've become Pariah and everything like that? Is this the only Wells there is? Here's what's ridiculous about doing a show, a superhero

comic show. I run into people like you, and I just am so inferior with my knowledge. I'm like, you know more than me. And I'm not exaggerating, I'm not trying to play dumb. I'm like, I understand by listening to you that you have a better grasp of the whole thing than I do. I feel like, as you guys know, when you do a long running television

show, if there needs to be another Wells, there can be another Wells. That's what's up. I thought that we're going to get, yeah, absolutely. Here's the thing. Can you explain Donald, Donald, first of all, catch your breath, calm down. Okay. You're embarrassing us in front of our guests. Listen, this is exactly what I did to George Lucas, man, this is exactly what I did to George Lucas, man. This is exactly what I did to George Lucas. By the way, when this show's over, he's gonna take a nap, because he's gonna get woozy.

He gets very amped up, and then he gets woozy. This is what I'm... This is... To all the fans out there who were wondering how I geek out when I meet or talk to people that do something that I'm like, holy shit about, this is it right here. I can't breathe right now. I know. I'm sweating. I know I have a sweatshirt on, but I'm sweating under here.

All right, but calm down. Now, for those of you who don't know, Tom is on The Flash, and as I understand it, with these CW superhero shows, you bounce around to the other shows in the same universe, right? And they're all under the Greg Berlanti umbrella, I'm guessing. Yes, the golden boy of Hollywood that used to be Bill Lawrence is now Greg Berlanti and he has 400 shows on the air. Yeah, he's an empire. By the way, my very first job Tom Cavanaugh, well first lead in the movie was Broken Hearts Club, Greg Berlanti's first movie. Oh my goodness, that's tremendous. And now and he went to Northwestern together and he now he's like has the most shows on television of anybody. You and I when we were talking about doing a

your podcast The text that came up right next to that text the last time we talked Can I read a text that you as long as it's not like you up? It's like four in the morning and I'm hammering you up. No, it's solid comedy. It's quite solid. It's like four in the morning and I'm hammering you up? No, it's solid comedy. You say, tell Berlanti I want to do a cameo as Reverse Flash's brother. I say, done.

You say, totally unbilled, though, a surprise. But I'll need special powers. I say, make a list, power list. Nothing with heavy hammers. That shit is boring. You say, laser eyes, please. I say, a list power list nothing with heavy hammers that shit is boring you say laser eyes, please I say those are free I

Feel like it's a miss. Why did that never fucking happen? No, I know I feel like now that I've done this and I know that Donald wants to be on board I feel like now it's yeah now now you're forcing his hand because you're putting it out to the public I was gonna ask to hire you. We were talking about white boards and putting, manifesting your destiny onto white boards. This is all my white board. I'm putting it out there right now. I want to call Berlany and I had to call him about something else. But I want to call Berlany and say, listen, Tom said I could be on the show.

Yeah. Yeah. Because I have that kind of vault. I spoke to Tom Cavanaugh and he says- And you'll be like, hang on a second, Tom. Yeah, yeah, because I have that kind of vault. I spoke to Tom Cavanaugh, and he says, Hang on a second, Tom. Yeah. He's got so many shows.

He's like, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. No, I know who he is. I know who he is. Hang on a second. He calls to his secretary. Do we still do Flash? Yeah, OK, we do. We do.

We do. We do. We do. We do. We do. We do. We do. But by the way, how funny would that be, if Donald and I came on? I mean, I don't, to be honest, I don't get breathless about this superhero stuff like Donald, but he really

loves it. So, sorry, I digress. The point is- So you should do it. Another thing you should do, Donald, you should figure out, knowing it as you do, you should figure out what the role is that you want. Because that kind of stuff- Oh, I know what role I want. There's a what do you want. I want- Don't say mine. I know what role I want. There's a point. I want to screen. Don't say mine, don't say mine. I kind of like my job.

Don't say mine. Listen, I'm going to put it out there. Go. What do you want to be? You guys kind of opened it up when Arrow ended. And I know, I'm not sure if you guys are allowed to touch it. You kind of touch on it in Stargirl. But I think Green Lantern needs to be in this.

You know what I mean? Oh, Joelle just clapped. Joelle is a big fan of this world too. And there are so many that are in the Lantern Corps. And I know that, you know, and also size doesn't matter when you're a Lantern. You could be tiny, you could be wide, you could be, you're right, come on man.

Anyway, my point is, I think that's one character that would be a lot of fun to play. You know, there's so many people in the DC universe, but if I had a choice and they were willing to do it, I would love to be Green Lantern. All right. And I think that's really special and dear to Greg, so I think that's great. You're making this happen.

News flash. I have a question. So wait, hold on. Can the green, can the green lantern be 46? He can be anything. Look at me. Look, I'm playing the reverse flash. I'm not a yellow, I'm wearing a yellow super suit and I'm 87, Zach.

Sorry, Tom, for those of us who don't know, and I'm sure some of our listeners don't know, can you just explain in non-superhero terms what reverse flash means? Is there a young guy who plays flash? Yes, there's a good looking, it's kind of like when we did Scrubs, like a good looking handsome guy is the lead and then they cast this guy as his brother. I see. Bill Lawrence had lost a bet somewhere. So basically a young guy... Tom, when you insult your looks, you insult my looks. True, I see. Oh my gosh. Is it Bill Lawrence had lost a bet somewhere. So basically a young guy.

Tom, when you insult your looks, you insult my looks. I apologize. You're right. So you're a handsome, you look like Brad Pitt to me. When you came on, I thought we got Tom Cavanaugh. Why is Brad Pitt on the podcast? That's what you thought. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes here.

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So he's the Joker to the Batman, the Lex Luthor to the Superman. You're the bad guy. He's the bad guys. We have a young fellow, Grant Gustin plays the Flash and the archenemy is the reverse Flash. He wears a red suit and I play the archenemy, the reverse Flash, Iov Artha and I wear a yellow suit and that's kind of it.

Are you doing lots of stunts and fighting and stuff? Yeah, yeah, can you imagine? It's crazy, you know that bucket list that you have as an actor and you wanna do this theater, you wanna do this show, you wanna do something like Scrubs? The whiteboard! Yeah, the whiteboard and that. We started the show, Tom, before you came on

talking about just manifesting things by putting on a whiteboard and staring at it. It was weird to be in your green room and not have the speakers going. I'm like, I wonder what they're talking about. We were talking about you. We were talking about manifesting and then you. Well, that's exactly, that's a great,

that's such a great call. This is one of those things I never would have expected to do a superhero show. And it's, you know, in terms of a bucket list, it's so fun. Yeah, you guys look like you have a lot of fun on it. And it has no end in sight. You get to do comedy on your show.

It has no end in sight. I mean, I just feel like the, Greg Berland keeps adding more and more to this world, right? I don't know if they're all, they all must be successful because they all keep going. I honestly don't know. I never would have thought, I think when they started

a number of years ago, they had, they'd done super, no, what was the Superman show, Smallville. And then they did Arrow, and Arrow I think did well. And then, but when we started Flash, you guys all know how it is. We started Flash and I said to my wife, well, this'll be canceled in seven. So I'll go up to Vancouver from New York

and we'll shoot and then it'll get canceled. Because even at that time, I had done two shows for Greg and both of them had been canceled relatively quickly because that's just how it goes. And so I didn't foresee it. I never expected to go and this thing seemed to go and even when you say there's no end in sight, I still expect that you'll just get the call like,

hey, so we're done. That's it. I feel like- For those of you not in the entertainment industry, we just never know. You get a show like Scrubs and of you not in the entertainment industry, we just never know. You get a show like Scrubs and you're like, okay, this could go six episodes and then it goes nine years. Or Donald did this show and it went a season, and I did a show, it went a season.

Every single time it's a roll of the dice, no matter how many good ingredients there are, you just never know. Yeah. And most of the time, the numbers are, it's gonna get canceled, it's not going to go. Right, especially now more than ever, because there's so much content. How the hell does something find eyeballs? And you're on the classic, old school, true network.

You guys do 24 episodes a season. Do you know what it's like to be able to do something? I remember I did a show called The X's right after Scrubs was done. Yeah. We did 10 episodes a season. That was it. For an actor, it's like, wait, well, hold on.

I want to work all year round if I possibly can. It was really weird to work 10 episodes and then have all of this time off until you came back and did another 10. Or you would do, or we would do 30 and they would just chop it up into episodes. It was like, you never really find, you never really find a pace or a footing. It's like, well, how long are we going? We're only gonna do 10? 22, you guys seem to... You live in Canada right now. Yeah. Are you in Vancouver? Is it Vancouver where you live?

Vancouver, Canada, coniferous jewel of the city. Have you guys been? I have. I love that town too. I think it's a beautiful city. I love it there. I was there when the sun was out and it was magnificent. And then I was told that it's not always like that.. I love it there. I was there when the sun was out and it was magnificent. Yes, sure. Yes. And then I was told that it's not always like that. And I don't know if I would like that rainy. Yeah, it's a question of taste. Like when the sun shines, there's no finer place. I don't mind the rain, but I think if you're somebody that didn't like rain and preferred

like seasons and snow, then this city would not be for you. But it really is, it really is a coniferous jewel of a city. And are you mostly on stages and such, or do you go out and shoot on locations and stuff? It's almost follows a pretty regular schedule. We do a lot of stage work early in the week, and then we do all the stunt stuff. It's always, so Thursday, Friday nights, we're gonna start at 5 p.m.

and we're gonna go all night and we're gonna like, you know, have the guy run up a building and fight a monster. And then like, we're gonna come back and win, you know? So you kinda, you kinda, you kinda have to stay in shape for this thing. Like you're, you're asked to do way more than you expected to do when you started, huh? Right, it's a blessing and a curse.

You know, because the other thing is too, as you guys know too, like, I mean, I'm older than you guys but there's a There's a thing where you're when you were a young actor You could be vain, but you wouldn't really matter because you're probably gonna look fine You know and then you get a little bit older and then your coast you the people you're acting with your co-actors are 28 29 you know and they are fantastic. And then there's you, you know,

and he looks great in the suit, and then you can't really be on the donut diet while you're on the suit, so you kind of have to keep keeping in shape, you know? And so it's- Do you hang out with Jesse L. Martin a lot? Jesse is a legend, as you guys know, coming from theater. He's just, he's amazing.

He's got this thing, sus, because he's the captain. You know, he can, he can wear a hat and an overcoat. He doesn't have to worry too much about, you know, like he's just like, he's kind of like, he runs, he basically is the beating heart, you know, runs the show, the center of, you know, reason. And, you know, he's, he's got a great job and appreciates it. So Tom, when Ed, when the show Ed, I want to talk about that, when it came out, I was an unemployed actor and my mom called me very, very concerned

that I had gotten a lead in a TV show and not told her because she didn't understand why I was on billboards all over the country. Is that true? No, it. I mean, no it is. I mean she obviously sussed that it was not me, but she was like, there is a young man who's on every billboard in town and he looks a lot like you. And I remember thinking, oh yeah, mom, that's not me. Yeah, I'm still trying to get some auditions going. Oh, no. And it was really humbling, because I was like,

that fucking guy who looks exactly like me has a hit show leading role on NBC. Now no one's ever going to hire me. By the way, Dax Shepard, who also looks like us, told me this. He was like, when I became famous and was all over the place, he was like, well, how is this gonna fuck my career? Because I look like that guy, and that guy's already working. So anyway, I wanted to talk to you about Ed and tell us, I imagine that was your big break, right? I mean,

I know you worked a bunch, but that was your first, your own show, right? I mean, I know you worked a bunch, but that was your first, your own show, right? For sure. I mean, first off, Dax and you have done quite well for yourselves. Yeah, it worked out. So's Ray Romano, guys. So's Ray Romano.

Yeah, it worked out. It did work out. But yeah, I'm Canadian, and I had moved to New York City, and I think 89 to do Broadway. I did like a decade of theater and I absolutely loved it. Absolutely 100% loved it. And then I had done a small guest spots for literally for 10 years on ABC, NBC. Back then it was like just the four, right?

And I'd done a show called Providence and then but I had no idea of the profile that you guys enjoyed on Scrubs because a lot of the shows that I had done when they were television shows or series, I'd done a couple of series in Canada, they were Canadian shows and there's no cross-border pollination between the two countries. In other words, you'll shoot a show in Canada and you'll do 10 episodes, but everybody in Canada is watching Friends. So who's watching these Canadian shows? Well, it's different in Canada.

There's a federal mandate for these television shows, so they do them. And some of them are quite, quite good. And there's not a mill the way there is behind the entertainment industry in the States up in Canada. It doesn't, you know, part of the ethos of the country is like, well, let's not get too big for ourselves then. You know, and so, and in the States,

it's very much the opposite. Like, let's see how we can build up and how big we can get. And why that ethos is good is that, you know, if you're working as an actor, you're working largely because you love it, because a lot of the attention, at least back then, now it's different because everything can be found. But back then, you know, you were doing the same stuff

we would do on Scrubs that you'd come to set and there's all the crew and there's the people and it's great and you love it, and then you leave set and it's still the exact same experience. It's just that you're not going to Radio City Music Hall and doing the upfronts. But it's nice in a strange way because you understand that, oh, this is what I love to do. And by the time I got Ed, like, you know, 15 years later, it was, I was aware enough that it was, it's still the same experience. And so even though suddenly, like you say, there was like billboards plastered all over

the place, I was readily aware that, you know, that that was all, that can get ripped away and it's semi superficial. And so I think that was a nice little, I don't know what it would be like to have your face plastered all over the place when you're in your mid-20s. I think it would be a tough fight to kind of stay grounded. Unfortunately, we didn't get a big billboard buy. I don't know why the NBC didn't go, they certainly went all in. Whoever made the billboard decision for Ed went all in. And by the time Scrubs came on, they were like, dude, remember a few years ago, we shot our billboard budget on Ed.

We have no billboard money for Scrubs. Yeah, I'm so sorry about that. Because that's why you guys didn't get that big bill. What was funny is I remember when Scrubs started, just how much of a splash it made. I'm sure you can remember, and it's not lost on you, how big a deal that was. That show was so important, it seemed, at the time. It was bizarre for us because also, we compare it to now, the amount of people watching a single TV

show just doesn't happen anymore, especially live. Or really even at all, but let alone live when it's airing. So it was a completely different era. The amount of people that would watch that. That's right. At our worst, TV shows now, if they got our worst numbers, they would be considered hit shows. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah, I see. Now wait, Tom, was Ed written for you or did you audition for him? Oh, no, no. No, no, they didn't. No, no. That was, again, that was NBC. They didn't want me at all. They went through, I think, a year of casting known people and better humans. Just so people who aren't in the entertainment industry know, they'll often try and get a known star that's right and that doesn't always work out for the reasons.

And then they go, okay, well, let's start to read people that aren't famous yet, which is when, this is how people like... The two of you. Well, the two of you. Yeah. I mean, exactly. Exactly. It's exactly how both Tom and I got our parts. Exactly. I was like the third, I think the third round or so of doing it. The only reason I have

that job... I remember how generous you were at Bill's 40th and we had the party and he was... You were just so gracious about... Because you're clearly incredibly talented and yet You're just so gracious about because you're clearly incredibly talented and yet you had the wherewithal to say I owe so much to this guy and I had the same story there's a Robert net and john Beckerman who ran a late show with let them in. Where those are the guys that the reason I got the job is those guys said this is the guy and and you know they managed to have enough stock the people would listen to them and without somebody standing up for you sometimes, it just doesn't go your way. Those people are the only reason I got that job. Do you know how many odd times you auditioned? I know I auditioned once in Los Angeles

and you know how it is when you're like, oh, that went well, you feel good about it. But I was also like, okay, it was pilot season and it was like one read during the day, but it felt good. And then then they called me to to have the sessions that they do. They have a studio session and network session. And it was very it was like and this is I hope this isn't boring. I don't mean to talk about my thing.

No, no, no, no, this is very interesting. We went and we had to do it, it was at CBS at the time, by the way, I don't know if you guys know that show. That was CBS, not NBC. And CBS ultimately didn't think, so they got picked up by CBS and then CBS never aired the show. And then a year later, NBC picked it up, which is weird.

So we said- Oh my God, that never happens. It never happens. Every time you make a pilot, it's always such a bizarre thing, both when I've been in them or when I've directed them. They put so much money in, they put so much work in, and then a network chooses what they choose. And then the discards are like, they have the smell of shit on them. No one will touch them. And it's like, it's like what? Someone just spent $6 million making this pilot. You could look at it and maybe recast some things. You could reshoot half of it, whatever. Well, why are you throwing it all away? It's so, it's always a bizarre waste of money to me because there's diamonds in

the rough that no one is... So this situation is very rare that then another network like Wademan will take it. I don't know that it ever happened before with CBS, I think, from what I heard. The only reason that that happened was, again, because Robert Nett and ran the Letterman show, it was because Letterman had such a big... He was such a big paycheck, he was such a big entity at the time, that was the only reason I think that that card, if a producer didn't have that card to say, that would probably have never happened. But when I went in to read, you know, ostensibly the thing was a comedy with heart. And so, you know, it's so funny how these things change. So I went in to read, I was solid and funny in the room and made them laugh and then

Normally, okay, the job is yours. This is at the network read but then somebody There's you know 25 people in the room and somebody starts going about but what about this this? I don't like this about him and then that sort of you know Something and they say, you know you had it and then you don't have it. And I remember Rob and John came out and Rob, he had this real serious face and he's like, look, so they don't know if you can do straight drama. So even though it was a comedic scene about a guy finding out that his wife is sleeping with a mailman and they're like, you just need to do that scene again and throw out all the comedy and play it like,

you know, play it like a Shakespeare tragedy. I was like, okay. Oh my God. And I went in and did that and, you know, just completely straight as possible. And they were like, oh, okay, he can do that too. It's so amazing how- You got the exact same speech I got pretty much.

Really? F**ked up. Yeah, pretty much when I- No, they weren't saying he f**ked up. Donald legit f**ked up. They didn't say he f**ked up. speech. I got pretty much really fucked up. Yeah, pretty much They weren't saying fucked up Donald legit fucked up. He didn't say he fucked up No, I didn't fuck up when I auditioned for scrubs I got real big in the audition because it was a comedic scene and I got real big and Animated and Bill had to come out and be like dude tone that shit down Yeah, because it's funny as you know like I think sometimes an executive hears another executive speaking goes I better weigh in as well you know right

so suddenly they're like he's big yeah he's too big yeah he's too big suddenly becomes this big thing and you're like oh no. If actors who have yet to be in one of these rooms only knew how my god the tightrope you're walking to try and get a fucking roll. Yeah. Oh, do it. And how it just falls on one person being like, I don't know. I don't know. What if? And then all of a sudden you don't have the part anymore and you had the part for a second. Yeah.

Right. I've been in a room and watched somebody destroy it, like kill it. Come in and destroy it. And then someone else come in and do a really good job, but not destroy it. And I saw, well, the first person, obviously, and one person in the room was like, well, you know what? I'm not sure they actually look like the part. You know what?

You're right. They don't necessarily look like the part. And all of this doubt happened. And the person that crushed it did not get the role. And the person that just did good got the role because there was... I'm getting tense just listening to this. It's crazy, dude. It's crazy. I was once working on something and this girl came in and she was young, you know, she was like a young Jennifer Garner type. She was really pretty. She was early

20s and super expressive and funny and I thought that she should get the part. Another girl came in, very, very funny. Well, he could have done it too, but I preferred the first girl. I thought she was better. One of the executives goes regarding the first girl, the young Jennifer Garner type, she goes, she's very expressive. Should we worry about her wrinkling early? Oh, wow. Now, mind you, this is like a 20, early 20 something year old girl. And she's very pretty. And not only is that the most ludicrous thing you can ever imagine another human being saying, but in your mind, the show is gonna go so many years that her wrinkles that come from

her being expressive are going to be a problem. I mean, it was the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my whole life. It's appalling. It's appalling. The other part of it is actors can act, you know? And so, I don't know how many times you've done a thing and then like, yeah, the feedback is, yeah, we want it a little bigger. It's like, ah. Say that shit. Yeah. You know?

Say that shit. Why did you let me do the whole audition? say that shit why don't you let me do the whole audit listen man why did you let me do the whole audition that big then if that's the case somebody in the room could have said hey you know what i love your choice you could be diplomatic about it i loved your choice listen can you tone it down a little bit this time right you know what i mean that never happens anymore dude i do remember though back in the day when I was going out for auditions and it would be like somebody who was from the urban or from the streets and stuff like that. And you'd get the, can you, can you spice it up a little Donald? Oh, really? Can you add a little something, something to it? Can you, can you, can you put a little sauce on that? No, how would they say it? Like what's the worst way someone would say it?

That the, can you spice it up a little bit? Spice it up a little. And you'd be like, what? I had a producer say to me once about a script. She goes, you know, she was this old lady. She goes, you know, you could go black with it. And I go, okay, yeah, that's just, there's no reason. She goes, you know, they're doing their thing.

Thank you. She did that gesture., they're doing their thing. What? She did that gesture. You guys can't see the gesture. I mean, she sort of rocked back and forth. She goes, you know, they're doing their thing. Oh my God. That was one of the most awkward things I've ever witnessed in my life. I go, okay, so you want them to do their thing. I got it. Oh my God, should we get it? We have to take a break probably. Yeah, let's take a break. And then we're gonna get into the episode. All right, we'll be right back with the Tom Cavanaugh.

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You are actually at the party right now. Let me hear it. Listen to VoiceOver on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we're back. Hey, so we always talk about how everybody met Bill and how you came to this show. You wound up doing the show for several seasons.

Yeah, lots of episodes. You must have been one of our most recurring guest stars. I don't know that, but I can tell you, I was always hugely grateful to get the call. I sort of feel like, even being on this podcast, I've sort of like, I was telling your producers, I've sort of like glommed my way on by like, you know, somehow this got put out there, but I also felt that same way about Scrubs,

like I don't really do Scrubs, but I sort of like piggybacked on the back of their success and I've been basically a parasite this whole time and I'm so grateful for it because- Well, people loved you on the show, Tom. Sorry to interrupt. People loved you. It's funny how like- No, no, but it's funny how like when you- like Ed isn't anywhere, you can't find it anywhere.

Most of this is a lot of stuff that's harder to find and I would say scrubs is the thing, even though you guys were- all you guys did such a great job, I did nothing, I still get recognized all the time from, I hear people all the time wanna say, hey little brother, or they remember this, they remember the bathtub episode, they remember this kind of thing, and you know, it was like 90 years ago

and people are still like, it's still resonant, it's on Comedy Central, it's just like, it's lovely to be associated with your success. Well, people really loved you on the show. They really, you know, when Donald and I talk about having guests on, a lot of people asked for the Tom Kavanaugh. But wait a second, sorry, go back to what Donald asked. How did you come about? Did you know Bill or was it the obvious that people thought he's on NBC, he looks like Zach, that kind of thing? No, I think I had been friendly with Bill and we weren't friends before, we sort of became friends throughout, but we had spoken and gotten along and he and his wife have always been like quite friendly and generous and stuff and so I think it must have been him saying, oh okay I know Tom, I have a friendly

relationship with him and so this seems like a natural fit because of how we look. I think you run into people and you're like, I would like to work with this person again. You know what I mean? That happens occasionally and it almost never happens. I think all your intentions are always great. And yet you're still trying to have a job and survive. And so sometimes it's quite, quite difficult given, you know, it's very difficult to repatriate again. So, um, I think, I think maybe we got along and then he was like, Oh, this is,

this could be a nice little one-off, but then it ended up being more than that, which is tremendous. Because you're really good on the show, man, also. We talk about this all the time in remembering the shows. We talk about it so much that it's become a bingo. One of the bingo questions, like somebody made a bingo sheet,

and on the bingo sheet it says they'll talk about at some point, you know, if they talk about not remembering the show, you get a letter, right? And this is one of those moments because I really didn't remember this episode that much. I knew, the first episode I remember you on is when John Ritter passed away and then you out of nowhere was

like yo you know what I'll come in and now and I was that this one that's not this one that's not this one at all that was another significant one that was such a again you know I think I don't know if you had because you're there you have no basis of comparison for you people you guys were like all you all you all your group was such a welcoming, you know, it's interesting because once you go through, you know, 30 years of this stuff, it's not always, you know, it's not always a group like that, you know, and I obviously don't know all the inside stories and stuff, because I would just come in and out. But being in a place where you felt welcomed and encouraged and the ideas that you guys, I can remember

laughing so hard at the stuff you guys would do that wasn't in the script, knowing that you would do the stuff verbatim as it was in the script, knowing that you would get your blows, your chances later. And I thought, this is incredible, like this environment. I remember you, Zach, doing one of, I've seen the actor who played Ross Geller, David Schwimmer, run into a, he had an open laundry door, and he hits his head on it and falls over. That's one of the most solid modern day pratfalls. And you did one into a glass door that was like,

we were just watching, we were sitting by the monitors, and I was like, I remember thinking this, and this is years ago, I remember thinking this, I could watch him do this all day long. Every time you didn't get tired of it, you kept doing it, every time you did it, it seemed like better than the last. Well, I wanted to get it right. I so enjoyed doing the physical comedy and I would get competitive just with myself wanting

to make a really good one. And that was a bit of my... That was my sport, if you will, trying to be good at it. I remember one time in one of the episodes, you jumped out and I just improv'd, monster! And the fun thing about the show, as you were just saying, was there was such a vibe of just safety, that is, this is a safe environment, go nuts, be adventurous. Bill will tell you... Yes.

Obviously, do it as written, but he'll tell you if he wants you to bring it down. But I was just watching this, your first episode, and you were making such bold choices and being brave. Such, right, so adventurous. Which is tricky, which is tricky because we had been on the show, we're regulars, we're there all the time. We had kind of built up that comfortableness for a guest star to come on and be like,

all right, I'm gonna do a bold character, I'm gonna make bold choices. I was really impressed with you just watching it back because it's one thing if you don't like on your fifth episode. Here you are, it's your first time on set, you're a guest star of a show that's really popular, and you came

up with this character, which was nothing like your character on Ed, and was just bold and funny. But it was probably a lot to do with, like I say, just being around a place where people are like, hey, have fun, enjoy. I think it just bears repeating that your show was such a place where you welcome people to do that very thing you're talking about. I remember also being so impressed. I'm sorry to talk on about it, but it just seemed like I remember season six coming in

and doing something. And I remember thinking, I remember watching on different shows I'd done how people buy into like, well, how, what's our place in the universe of television? Like, are we popular? Are we, you know, are we getting enough attention? And and I think you guys probably had, you know, the MB why don't they promote us all that kind of stuff?

But, but I remember coming in on season six and watching you had settled into this thing like this is us and this is for us. And it was such a smart and intelligent way to understand that life is fleeting, this is fleeting. And so let's just all be for this show. And when you come from a different place and you come into that, it influenced me for the rest of my career

to go, this is really what you want. People who have each other's backs, who are for each other, who want to just do this scene right now as best as they can. And what more is that? Yeah. Speaking of doing a scene really well, how fucking funny are you stealing the lab coat

and going in to attend to a patient? That shit was hilarious. Yeah, Mr. Rickles. I laughed out loud. Rickles. My name is Rickles. I laughed. I laughed. Rickles. Rickles. My name is Rickles. Before we do that, let's get into this recap. Oh yeah, sorry. So Tom, every episode, Donald will sum it up. He has 30 seconds. I time.

Yes, I know. This is great. Okay, so Donald, hold on, getting my stopwatch up. He's been crushing it lately. He's gotten a little cocky of late and ending early, which I don't like. I'd like you to fill your time now. This might go over. Okay. On your mark, get set, go. JD's brother, Dan, comes to visit. He wrecks havoc on all of JD's relationships. JD wishes his brother would just grow up. Turk and Cox are beefing again, this time because both have good arguments on why their departments are better at saving

lives. By the act break, JD and Turk are ashamed. Turk of himself, JD of his brother. For Turk, it takes a lesson from an unexpected person for him to regain faith that he's doing his job the right way. For JD, it's him learning and understanding that not all people are built the same. Some people are content with who they are. How far did I go over?

It's 36, but you had some fuck ups and I think the audience will forgive you. Jeez, I thought it was amazing. It's well done, it's well done. I think when you rehearse, I don't think you rehearsed this time. Sometimes when you rehearse- No, it's freaking, we're an hour into the damn show.

I expected to do this like 30 minutes ago. We didn't know that Tom Cavanaugh was going to be so interesting. I didn't, listen I knew Tom was going to be this interesting. So you're saying- I thought we were going to get into the show earlier dude. So what you're saying is that you rehearsed right before we went on the air and now you're rusty? And I was rusty if you give me another chance I bet it's better. No I don't want to hear it again. See? See?

Good job. You know what, well you know what we'll have Dan speed it up a little bit. No we can't do that. No no no no no. 36 seconds. 36. Well done what? Well, you know what? We'll have Dan speed it up a little bit. No, we can't do that. No, no, no, no, no, no. 36 seconds. 36. Well done, though. Well done, Donald. Anyway. Yes, well done. That's the episode to remind... Tom, we did this as a service to people who want a brief reminder of what the episode was. Smart. Now, Tom comes to visit me. He's been driving a car across the country for $300, and he has no fear of Dr. Cox, which is just mind boggling to me, and I'm squirming. I love that.

I'm squirming as he meets Cox for the first time and is fucking with Dr. Cox. Yo, that would be the best day of my life if I went to my brother's job and he had a boss that was bullying him, and I could freaking, and I know that no matter what, he's gonna get bullied anyway,

I'm gonna fuck some shit up then. How about this? Oh, word, you gonna mess with my little brother? Now I'm gonna mess with you. Yeah. Now I would go right at it. I think I remember on the day, Tom, even being nervous in real life that you were... Because I was so... Johnny was Johnny,

and we were versions of our characters, and we would just play that. Now you came in as an alpha fucking with him and I think I recall even on the day being a little uncomfortable about it. I think Johnny's scene didn't like it. No, I'm sure he didn't. I'm sure he didn't. Because nobody in that hospital in the real world or in the world of the show fucked with him. And he had gotten quite comfortable with that. And now here's someone who looks just like me, fucking with him. Yeah. Yeah.

But that was great. And then, so let's talk about that Rickles moment. That was pretty fucking funny. That shit was hilarious. I love the fact that the reason why it's gonna happen is because he hears Bambi and you're like, all right, I don't want you to call me Bambi for the rest of my life. I'll let you wear the lab coat. You can wear the lab coat. Wear the lab coat. And he walks in and he goes, and we find out just before he walks in that the guy's got to live and that the surgery was, everything was a success. And the first thing Tom says, Dan says is it was touch and go for it. Yeah. And then he goes, you got to, we got to look out for those little Rickles. And he goes, my name is Rickles. He's like, the little Rickles, the kids, their future.

And then I go, okay, thank you. And you go, damn it, Bambi. Give me a second, Bambi. I'm busy. Tough to find a good nurse these days. It's so cruel. That shot was really funny by Michael Spiller when you turn around. I'm always a sucker for the quick turnaround. Yes, of course. Like, hey, damn it, Bambi, give me a second. Yeah. No, exactly.

Damn it, Bambi, I'm busy. Hilarious. Yes, good stuff. And now my nightmare would be my brother coming and flirting with someone that I had feelings for, and let alone also your friend. I mean, this is like always awkward when you have a friend that's like, I don't know if this guy's ever happened to you where like you broke up with

someone and then you see your friends starting to like poke around and you're like, what the fuck? And, and, and I just, I felt for JD as you, as you and Sarah are walking down the hall and flirting and she's just like laughing. It's awful. It's so fucking mean. It's awful. Yeah. And it's cruel. It's awful. It's so fucking mean. It's awful. Yeah.

And it's mean... By the way, it's mean on both parts. It's mean on... I mean, you guys have a brother... You guys... Those two characters had a brother competition thing, obviously, but the fact that Elliot was so willing to just dive in and be all giggly, that was so cruel. Yeah, it was mean. It was like, ah, he's so funny. And he's not really that funny, but he was just being kid. You're like, ah, yeah, no, that's OK. You just, ah. And then the idea that, wait, this is actually happening?

It is happening. I love how he realizes it's happening. Out of nowhere, you turn day to night by flicking a switch. The fantasy. That was funny. That was great. That was great. And then they start totally making out.

Right. And then they pop back to reality. And then in reality, I yell, stop your stupid laughing. It makes you look like a whore. Right. And then you're like, kidding, just the worst thing you could say. And then, ha.

The way I did it was like vomiting it up. Like I couldn't hold in the rage any longer. You spewed it out. Yeah. Stop your stupid laughing. It makes you look like a whore. Goodness gracious sake. It's a great jump cut.

Yeah. Yeah. That must have been tricky to shoot. We must have done the first part and then come back at night. We did. Then we came back at night and Sarah had this idea. We were both chewing gum to like spit the gum out. You know, and then like, you know, have the,

all the one, two, three, four. Like all the- Were you both chewing gum like throughout the whole scene? Or would you, you both, you know, sometimes when you're an actor, you know you're going to make out with someone. You want to have fresh minty breath. Was it, was it that?

I think she, I think she, no, I think she added gum. Later on? Cause there was, it was one of two things. One is like you kiss the person, then they have the gum that you had in your mouth. Right. Not great. Or pew, pew.

And I think we realized we could double down on the comedy moment by spitting our gum out before the poof, poof. We used to have Bonaka on set, not just for her to kiss him. I remember. You guys had the things that melt in your mouth. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those give you heartburn, though. I can't f*** with that.

They give me heartburn, yeah. Both Donald and I would have too many and they would give us heartburn. But the old school aerosol spray binoculars, which is my favorite. We started having it just from we had kissing scenes and we didn't want to have bad breath for our scene partner. But then it became like, you know, we were all friends and all up in each other's faces all day long. We were like, let's make a rule, everybody. We don't have bad breath. And so we would just be spraying it nonstop. Dude, I remember it became, how many can you spray in your mouth? And I...

Yeah, Donald, burn his mouth. Like 10 under the tongue just for shits and giggles. That's not good. And then eventually our boom operator, Velcro'd one to the boom. And we called it boom knocka. Boom knocka. And we'd be like, Kevin, boom knocka. And he would just dip the boom down. We'd pull the aerosol off the mic that was on Velcro and then attach it back up.

That's great A right there. That's some, yeah. That was... We thought he was going to do it for like a day as a joke. It was up there for years. Yeah. Same canister. Hopefully, hopefully he changed it.

Changed out. I like when at 524 when Cox goes, will people please stop calling me Chief? Yes! And then Kelso walks by and goes, hey, num nuts. Hey, num nuts. Hey, how's it going, num nuts?

He had another one in there where it was like, I don't have time for pity or something like that. Hey, how's it going? I'm nuts. He had another one in there where it was like, I don't have time for pity or something like that. We're right when he's talking to Johnny castle. Oh yeah. I wrote that down too. And why does, why does, well, first of all, when you scare me in the shower, hilarious. That was the first of many scares.

We did like 10, we did 10. Do you remember that? We got air waiting, waiting in the thing behind the curtain and like thinking, oh, maybe this one will do this. Like there was, we had like five or six different ones. And I think the first one was really terrifying for you. I remember that, it's funny, I just put two and two together that I guess we bought the clear shower curtain

that's in the opening of the show, right? Because wasn't there a clear shower curtain when you scare me? Yeah, there is. No, no, isn't clear shower curtain that's in the opening of the show, right? Because wasn't there a clear shower curtain when you scared me? Yeah, there is. No, no, isn't the shower curtain that... It's opaque when I come out, because you don't see me. And then... Oh. Right?

It looks like it's clear, I thought. Hold on, I have... I have a thought check. Because you guys had that runner earlier on. Yeah, so we're shopping for a clear shower curtain. Yes, yes. And then... Where is it?

It is at 532. I'm just curious, because it'd be funny if we happen to keep the shower... Yeah, it's clear. Oh, goodness. How could it... How can you not see me? We bought it. We actually bought it. There you go. Okay. Look at that continuity. Nice. Yeah, I mean, I got air, dude. You scared the shit out of me. And I mean, in real life, and I think the character, but I obviously had a nice juicy map behind me, because I literally flew up and fell back. Yes, yes. It's solid. And once again, Zach Braff, solid physical comedy. Yeah, the Zach Braff special.

It's good stuff. I laugh when Laverne makes her own Halloween candy. Yeah. She says... First of all, she's dressed like Raggedy Ann, and there's like this bowl of popcorn and homemade lollipops, and she says something like, if you want name brand stuff, this fist is packed with nuts or something. This episode was actually written by Tim Hobart. Yes.

Timmy. Was he with us the first season or he came in on second season? Tim was not there first season, no, but he's a very funny writer. So this is his first big episode. This is his first episode of the season then. And also Mike Spiller's back as our director. We like Spiller a lot. This is the first episode in which I read on Scrubs Wiki. This is the first episode that you're ever called Gandhi by Dr. Cox. That's interesting. Sarah's sister is actually one of the interns in this episode also. Yes. When Cox is, I mean, when Kelso's doing rounds in the beginning. Sarah Charles.

Yes, when Kelso pulls, he hates the costumes and he pulls some cat ears off her and that's Sarah's sister. Not her younger sister, obviously, that's her older sister. No, it's not Piper. Yeah, it's her older sister. And then I noticed that Johnny Castle playing Doug, he takes off the clown nose and kisses it. And I remember on the day thinking that was so random and funny, but I have no idea why he does it. It's very weird.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, no, I know exactly what you're talking about. He takes the clown, Kelso says, take that fucking costume off. And he takes the nose off and he looks at it and he gives it a little kiss before he puts it in his pocket, which is just so weird and amazing. I don't know why he did it, but yeah. The scene between you and Johnny C when you win the bet is like, to me, that was just such classic scrubs because it's good in and of itself with the comedy.

It's just hilarious. Especially when you're celebrating and it kind of goes on of itself with the comedy, it's just hilarious. Especially when you're celebrating and it kind of goes on, then it goes on, then it keeps going on, which I personally, it's funny, then it's sort of maybe not funny, then it's really funny, because you just keep doing it, you do the backward walk, and it's just all the different beats of your comedy there, it just had me laughing, and I'd forgotten the scene,

and then there's that other level where he's like yes which is what that's what your show did so well it's like you have the great comedy and that could just on another show that would just be enough and then it's like there's a hammer a gravitas that still works it's beautiful you know it ends with ends with you like with a legit serious moment considering this information it's great. What's the matter Joelle you just look like you freaked out about something. Uh-oh. Gina Price Blythelid heard a thing I did

and I love her, sorry. Okay, let's go. Wait, what happened? I'm sorry. Wait, what happened? I think since you distracted the show, you're gonna have to share what happened. I'm sorry, Gina Price Blythelid is a amazing director.

She directed Love and Basketball and she just has a new movie out on Netflix called, oh my gosh, The Old Guard. The black lady who's been working for a very long time and I love her. She used to write on Felicity, like season one of Felicity she wrote. And then she went on to do Love and Basketball.

All right, but what happened that made your face light up? Cause I thought it was Tom's use of the word Gravitas. She just noted, she just acknowledged my existence, Zach. I'm so sorry. I get so excited. Oh, well, congratulations. What did she say? Was she like, you're one of the articles you've written or something? Yeah, I did a pod talking about the new movie and she was like, this was so great. I was like, oh my God, you see me. That's lovely. That's awesome.

Oh, okay. Nice. That's always good to be seen, mama. Don't be apologetic. No, that's great. Don't apologize. I just want the listeners to know from my point of view, Tom said the word gravitas, and Joelle's face lit up, and she started doing the hand thing where you might cry.

And I'm like, wow, Joelle really loves the word gravitas. She had better reasons to celebrate, Joelle. Yes. Better reasons to celebrate. I'm glad to hear it wasn't gravitas And either the old guard plug that's great. That would be that would be the funniest shit ever Love Donald you're bragging about having two singles in your wallet you say hello, hello, when he gives you the 20, hello, Mr. Jackson. Yes.

With me, introduce you to the Washington brothers. Right. Now you guys get nice and acquainted and comfy in my wallet. In my wallet. Your dancing there was so funny, man. Yes. I had a lot of fun doing that. I'm sure I did. It's really weird how things change because everybody did a Michael Jackson impersonation back in the day. Everybody did it. I can't recall the last time I've seen a Michael Jackson impersonation. Yeah. It's been a very, very long time.

Now, if we were doing the show now, you probably wouldn't be doing so many Michael Jackson's. Now, I love a Growing Pains shout out. For those of you who were too young to know, Growing Pains was a very popular sitcom and starring Kirk Cameron. And when we all go to lunch, I say, oh, no, I'm trying to defend Dan. Oh, no, he lives with my mom, but he's got his own area. He's like Kirk Cameron when he's living in the garage with Boner. And Kirk Cameron had a friend in the show named Boner, which made no sense. Why was his friend named Boner? Everyone knows what a Boner is. No, his last name was Stabone. Stabone, Stabone.

And his dad's name was Sylvester. But then you yell out to the room, Boner? Yeah. I'm like, come on. Come on, everyone. Boner, Boner. It's too low hanging fruit? No? Come on, Boner. Speaking of low hanging fruit. You guys didn't hear what I said. His dad's name was Sylvester and his last name's Stabone.

Sylvester Stabone? Yeah. Do you know the Growing Pains theme, Dom? Is that of Sylvester Stallone, Sylvester Stabone? Do you know the Growing Pains theme, Dom? No, I get it. Okay, it just wasn't that funny, I guess. I'm sorry.

I thought it was hilarious from the first start. The joke is, wait a second, Boner, your dad's name is Sylvester Stabone. And then he turns back and looks at Mike and goes, who knew? What a great joke. What a great joke. I'll please sing the theme song for us. Please sing the theme song for us. Don, do you know the theme song? How does it start? Tom, you might not know this, but Don can sing almost every 80s theme song.

If you tell me how it starts, I could sing it. Oh, that's amazing. Show me that smile again. Here we go. Show me that smile again. OK, Zach, I got it. Don't waste another minute on your crying. We're nowhere near the end.

The best is yet to begin Yeah, we got the world hanging right in our hands baby rain or shine left foot all the time Okay, we've got each other Sharing the laughter of love. Sharing the laughter of love. I'm going to release an album, Tom, of Donaldson's 80s theme songs. That's the show that did every season, they did a different version of that song. Oh, really?

They also, at some point, they had a baby, and then they were like, eh, the baby's boring, and next season she's gonna be five. And all of a sudden, they also had a... Nobody else aged, but the baby was all of a sudden five. They also fostered a kid for a little bit who was young Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh, that's right. That was young Leo's first show, I believe. Well, I don't know if it was his first, but he was...

There's really cute... I've seen when they do... Remember who this little boy was? I've seen his first interview. He's like, I just love being an actor and I'm just happy to be with these guys. And it was really cute. And now, look at him. Donald has a little Leo crush, Tommy. He comes up almost every episode. I love Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah. So, um, last, uh, one of my favorite actors of all time.

One of our last episodes ended with, uh, Donald talking about trying to dock with. No, no. Yeah. Oh, no, guys. We gotta guess. Wait, do we have to break? We should go to break, guys. I'm just saying. We should go to break. We'll be right back after Donald Docs Leo.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no to break yet. All right, now we're going to break. We gotta, I think we need to clarify this. Okay.

Because I don't want it out there in the ethos that I'm walking around telling people I wanna dock with Leo, because that ain't what's happening here. Okay. Okay. That ain't what's happening here. Donald does not want to dock Leo, everybody. Yes, he does.

We're going to break. No, I don't. Wait, what? What? Amy Robach and TJ Holmes here. Diddy's former protege, television personality, platinum-selling artist, Denity King alum Aubrey O'Day joins us to provide a unique perspective on the trial

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Listen to VoiceOver on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, now we're back. Tom, we take a caller here on this show and Joelle curates them. There are zillions of people that email her and try and send her Paola. And she, it's all... Accepts all the money.

She accepts all the money. Listen. She accepts all the money, send Joelle cash. If you all are sending money to Joelle, do it the right way. Don't send like, send the real deal, Holyfield. It's not her fault if you don't get picked, but money does help. But you know, cash is a little crass. Well, you can send food baskets. Cash is crass. Cash is crass. I don't know if anyone's ever said

that before, but I wouldn't take it. That's a good line. Cash is crass. Cash is crass. Send the woman a wine basket or some of God's lettuce, she'll take either one. OG Kush is preferred. OG Kush is preferred. Well, who do we have today for the Tom Kavanaugh, who's America's favorite older brother? We have ER nurse Christina. Oh, hi. Christina! Hi, Christina.

Hello. Hello. Where are you calling from, Christina? Houston. Houston in the house. Christina, you're an ER nurse, we heard, so that means you're going to get even more respect than the average caller. We give our callers a lot of respect, but an ER nurse gets top respect.

From Lyman. Well, thank you. What's it like? What's it like for you now? What's it like right now? You guys are in Houston. It sucks. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. What's it like? What's it like right now? You guys are in Houston. It's, uh, it sucks. Yeah. Oh, yeah. What's the status? I, I think I had heard that Texas was legitimately running out of ICU beds. Yeah. I mean, we tried to ship out a critical patient the other night and couldn't

get a hospital that could take him in Houston. We tried to lifeline him out because we didn't have a specialist for it and could not find a hospital. It's tragic. Oh my God. It's tragic. My God. And people need to hear from people like you on the front lines because I think a lot of people, as we've talked about on the show, Donald and I lost a friend. And I think people like you who were on the front lines, people like us who've lost a loved one, we're seeing it.

And Dan was explaining something on the show. I thought that really landed with me that unless you're on the front lines and seeing it, you can kind of live in this sort of dream world where you're just... Obviously, I know people are suffering, they're not working and the kids aren't in school, but it's a little bit out of sight, out of mind. Whereas someone like you who's seeing this every single day, it must be just very, very traumatic for you. You also see what COVID does to people too. And a lot of people, that's something that Americans don't see.

We don't see what's left of people after COVID has ravaged their bodies and wrecked havoc on their organs and stuff. So shout out to you. It's a slap in the face when we're risking our lives and then people are on here saying it's a hoax or that it's just frustrating because we don't have any reason to lie about it. Right. I know. I know.

By the way, we see that. By the way, we see that. I see even in our comments on Instagram, I don't know if you saw this, Donald, people were like, enough of the mask talk, you're becoming like every other show. And I wanted to throw my fucking phone at the wall because I was like, our friend just died, so there's gonna be some COVID talk, wear a fucking mask. Right. But anyway, we thank you for... I just think there's nothing more noble than being a nurse and there's extra cherry on top for doing it in the ER because the things you must see.

And I want to thank you all real quick for the video that you all did with Neil Patrick Harris thanking all the healthcare workers. It did not get enough props, but it really meant something. Oh, thank you. Thank you. So let's switch to something more like, since our main mission is to make people giggle a bit. Do you have any questions for us about scrubs or anything?

Could be about the flash, I don't know. My first question is, what's the craziest thing a fan has asked y'all? Oh my gosh. Have you ever signed anyone and then you saw them again and they were like, I turned your signature into a tattoo? Yes, I've had that. And people get tattoos of you. Is that weird? Yeah, there's talking about this yesterday. There's some really weird tattoos of me out there. And also, I actually like the one

some people have tattooed lines from Garden State that were meaningful to them, a film I wrote. So that I think is really cool because something I came up with meant enough to them to put on their body as whatever, a mantra, if you will. But I've seen the weirdest faces I've made on Scrubs where I'm like, you know, like screaming out of fear. Like actually in this episode with Tom where I'm like screaming out of fear. And I've seen that on like someone's thigh. Donald, I saw a tattoo of you as Turk that looked so nothing like you. It looked nothing like me. It looked like Charles Barkley. You're on my back and it looked like Charles and literally now, you know as a kid I was a big fan of Charles Barkley, but it didn't look anything like me

It looked literally like Charles Barkley right the weirdest thing that's ever happened to me I get a lot of people asking for it to eagle Yes, that happens to you a lot because they think you're very strong and they don't know I can hold a lot of people up There yeah, but it's it's It happened you do let a lot more people up there. Yeah. But it's, it's, it happens. You do let a lot more people mount you than I would ever. Listen, if you are brave enough to ask me, I will most likely oblige. Now that being said, you shouldn't find that dude.

You know how many people are going to ask to mount you now? Fine print. He said most likely, he said most likely fine print. That being said, that being said. likely, fine print. That being said. That being said. Then the fine print and Tom is like, you must be under a certain amount of weight before trying to knock on them. Please ask to all permission, don't do it in front of his children or his wife will

bitch slap you. Well done. The fine print truly is like, it has to be a special occasion. It can't just be out of nowhere. You walk down the street and like, let's Eagle. That's not gonna happen. It has to be, you know, it has to be something, like if I'm at a conference and it's,

you know what I mean? They gotta catch you when you're not woozy. Yeah, anyway. So that's the one thing that's pretty weird is that being asked to Eagle, it's like, really you to jump on my back. You feel that comfortable right now to walk up to me and ask me to give you a piggyback ride.

Tom, have you ever had a weird fan moments? I bet some of your young Flash fans have asked for something odd. I think just what you were saying earlier, I think it really tests your metal as an actor when somebody suddenly unveils a tattoo of you on them. Because, you know, I think the reaction they're looking for is, oh, that's great. Wow. You know, but really your reaction is, ah! Right, yeah.

Security! You know? And you really got to try and cover that as best you can because they've got permanent ink on their body. I'm just worried they're going to regret it. I'm just worried they're going to regret it. Of course, of course. You naturally assume they're going to regret it.

You think the next day, you don't think you're going to end up seeing it ever. But yeah, of course it's going to be a massive regret. Well, we talked before you came on, Todd, about how I'm gonna get Donald on my face. Just my face tattooed. Joelle reminded us that I should not attempt to shade it in at all because... Uh-huh. I listened to your episode. Yeah, you listened to that episode. You had blackface. Of course.

Yeah, Joelle was just... You guys were very good on that. Joelle just came on in a moment of nervousness being like, guys, guys, we talked to those as... Here's the voice, here's the voice of reason, please listen to the voice of reason. I assured Joelle that it would be solely an outline of his beautiful face. How many people have sent you an Appletini in the bar? Oh.

Oh, that's a very good question. That's happened a bunch. I got and sent a lot of Appletinis. They don't... I don't drink them. You don't like Appletinis. Just be honest. It's very sweet. It's sugar. I understand it if you're young or if you're out for a night and you want to have a funny cocktail, but I just think that you shouldn't get drunk on them because they are so filled with sugar.

Headache galore the next day. I'm one of the owners of a restaurant in New York that I'll give a plug to now called the mermaid oyster bar and 79 is the mermaid. It's not a 79 McDougal if you'd like to check it out when the world reopens I don't they sell do they serve oysters at this oyster? Yes, they have the 16 different types of oysters No, I love that. You just said do they serve oysters? He was trying to see if it was legit. Oh, it is legit. They do serve oysters so legit.

He's being a good friend and trying to be like, tell us more about this. You probably want to know about our lobster roll, Donald. Do you have a lobster roll? Oh, we have the best lobster roll in Manhattan. I'll tell you that right now. Really? Yeah. 79.

My point was that the owner told me that he's like, do you have any idea why people keep coming in and ordering Appletini's? And he's like, I don't know, but can you make them? He's like, no, we're not making Appletini's. Tell your fans to stop ordering. When we were younger, they were tasty though. I don't know. Do you like them, Christina?

Uh, little sweet for me. All know. Do you like them Christina? Little sweet for me. Yeah, little sweet. All right, do you have another question for us Christina? So Scrubs won. What is your most memorable scene that you filmed? Ooh, heavy question. Good question.

Wow. Well, Tom can go first because he's the guest. He's got less to think about because he's only did six or so episodes. It's easy. It was just, you know, I loved almost every scene we did for comedy. There was one where the three of us were fart buddies where we did the fart stuff. Yeah, we were goofing around in the thing and then we had to you were eating breakfast

and then we had to go. I had to go to the bathroom and it just became this long running. I'll be in there for one minute, two minutes, five minutes, 10 minutes, one minute. And then the other one was just the John Ritter stuff to have been like a part of that with you guys. It was meaningful, certainly. The bathtub scene. The bathtub scene was a little less fun

than you might expect. So at one point, John C. Riley was like, by now you're sitting in what amounts to probably 80% of your own urine. And I think that was probably closer to the truth, so less fun. But at the same time, you know, it's one thing that I hear a lot, you know, about the Captain Bubble Beer or whatever the heck it was called. Anyway, you guys, that's enough. Now you've had enough time. I've stalled well enough, I feel. And now you guys have the tarmac ready to talk about your best shows. We answered something similar to this recently, but I wonder if it's the same answer for you, Donald. Go ahead.

Well, the Star Wars scene. Oh, yeah. You're right. Also, getting the opportunity to do an Indiana Jones situation in someone's colon was a lot of fun. Right. Doing the whole opening to Raiders of the Lost Ark and side of someone's colon. Yeah. And then to be honest with you, one of my favorite scenes is a song, but Zach and I singing Everything Comes Down to Pooh, still to this day is one of my,

like I watched that with a smile and I can't watch a lot of the things that I do, but that's one thing that I've done where I'm like, that was fucking a great time shooting that. Yeah, one of my favorite times was rappelling across the fake city street on the Universal backlot on the episode where Donald and I go on a quest to find Molly, Heather Graham's character.

And we rappel across the street and then nail the wall, and I fall into a bunch of garbage. And then I get up and she looks at me and I act like, I'm surprised to see her and I go, Molly? What are you doing here? That was just the most fun because you know. Do you remember how you got the, to repel across the rope? What you used?

I pulled your shirt off of you. No, you pulled my gown off of me. I pulled your- Did I have a gown on it or was it a shirt? It was a hospital gown. Yeah. Oh yeah. You pulled it off and I go, and I go, ah!

Yeah. I pull it off and you gasp and then you're shirtless. And then I turn it, I turn, I turn into a thing to repel across the street. And then I go, Molly? And she goes, what are you doing here? And then all of a sudden you just see Donald in the background drop down into frame naked. So that was just so fun because we didn't always,

yeah, as I've said before on the podcast, that episode was so epic. We didn't always do episodes that were that big. And there we were like taking over the Universal backlot to do that scene. And I was directing and it was just funny. I remember just laughing my ass off that night. All right. Well, we got to go because our show's going so incredibly long. But Christina, thank you. And all sincerity, thank you so much for what you do and for being on the front lines for us. Can I just get y'all to give a quick shout out

to two of my best friends that are super jealous right now. Of course. Sure, absolutely. Preston and Nikki. Yo, Preston, Nikki, it's Donald Faison and. Oh, I'm Zach Braff. And Zach Braff. Oh, and Tom Cavanaugh. And Tom Cavanaugh. Oh, sorry, and Tom Cavanaugh.

President Nicky. What's happening, y'all? What's happening, y'all? What's happening? Bye, President Nicky, and bye, Christina. Thank you so much. Take care, Christina. Thank you.

Thank you, Christina. Now, listen, it's not beneath us at Scrubs to do a fart joke every now and then. And in this episode... But your family loves to fart. The Dorians love to fart. And they love to fart. And they love to fart. Thank you, Christina. Thank you, Christina. Now, listen, it's not beneath us at Scrubs to do a fart joke every now and then. And this episode... But your family loves to fart. The Dorians love to fart, dude.

Listen, by the way, we were lucky enough to have the late John Ritter do a fart joke on the show before he passed away. And now we have the great Tom Kavanaugh honoring us with a fart joke. We sprinkle them around. That was... Tom Kavanaugh honoring us with a fart joke. We sprinkle them around. That was... You sprinkle them around is a good analogy. Your reaction is tremendous. It's like, it's everywhere. It's everywhere.

It's everywhere. It's a man who can't escape. It's everywhere. It is so horrible though when someone is flatulent in a car and you don't have control of the window. Isn't it just a horrible, horrible moment of life? I think an airplane is worse, but yes. Oh. Airplane when you don't know the person? Because you don't know who, who, where.

And no one takes credit for it. And no one, no one's like, ready. Everybody's staring straight ahead. And there's that awkward moment on a plane where you're like, you don't want anyone to think it's you. So you have to react. You have to go, oh, jeez. I always put my t-shirt over my nose

so people know like, oh, he's reacting. It's clearly not him. Right. It's just like when you go into the bathroom after somebody took a shit on the airplane. And then you gotta come out and face all the people. I'm sure we've talked about this before. We have, we talked about that horrible thing.

And especially when you're in the public eye, you don't want someone to be like, dude, I was on a plane and Tom Cavanaugh crushed the bathroom. And meanwhile, you're thinking like, no, mother... That was the guy before me. I don't know. I don't know if I'd be that upset, but okay. Yeah. I have anxiety about when I go into a bathroom and it's been just rocked, and then I come out and I'm like, I didn't do that. That was someone before me. I have an anxiety about public restrooms, period, dude.

Yeah, do you put toilet paper down on the seat? Listen, man, we could go to the movies. The whole family, back when going to the movies was a thing, we'd be at the movie theater. And the movie could be five minutes away from starting. If I feel even the slightest bit of a bubble in my guts, we're going home. Oh, really?

I'm not shitting at a movie theater. Your poor kids, what do they do? They cry on the way home. You brought your kids home because you had to poop. Listen, I remember one time going to a club and getting to the club and being at the club and, you know, about to dance. And it was lit that night and feeling a bubble in my guts and being at the club and you know about to dance and it was lit that night and feeling a bubble in my guts and being like you know what I'm going home. Oh.

At restaurants. So you never poo in public. You never poo in public. I try my hardest not to poo in public. I have a phobia of it. It's uh I don't know man. Do you keep your outings to a concentric circle where you can make the getaway if you have to?

No, there's been times where I was like, yo, we, I gotta do something. We gotta do something. Do you have friends? It's just something about a public, a public restroom is... Yeah, I used to have that for me when I was a kid. For some reason, I can't do it. When I was a kid, I had it, I got over it. But one thing I can't do is if we're in the men's room and there's a line of stalls, I

cannot poo if someone else is in the stall. I have to wait until the stalls are empty. You don't want them to hear you. I can't sit next to that, but also I can't sit next to the person and they're farting and you hear them like, mmm, ooooh. I can't, it's too uncomfortable for me. What are they doing? and you hear them like, I can't it's too uncomfortable for me. You gotta hand it to them for their effort. You really have to go. You know, I don't want to be that guy, man. I've been in the bathroom where another man did that.

And I was a kid. I was very young. And it was me. And we were doing a commercial. It was a basketball commercial. What? Yeah, it was a basketball commercial. I'm already jealous.

I know. We should talk about basketball. You have to come back on, because we need to talk about our NBA Entertainment League days and all that stuff, Tom. We have a lot of good stories. Tom, since you're such a fan. I accept.

OK, awesome. Awesome. You already come back. You too, Hal. You You heard this Dan, you heard this right? So I was invited. So that's what those daily techs are going to be. Now, now, now, now, now, now, now. But we were filming a basketball commercial and I was very young and one, but I wasn't young enough where my parents had to be there, but there was one kid who was very young, and his dad had to be there. And his dad would play basketball. We were all doing the commercials, so we were all playing full courts on other basketball courts.

And we would play with his dad, too. And I remember going to the bathroom, me and a bunch of other dudes, we were going to take a leak, and the dad was in the bathroom and was having a real hard time Pooping mm-hmm like the type of shit like the don't like the type of stuff where it's like oh god It's always bad when someone yells, why? What's happening?

Oh, why? There goes the corn. That's the corn. That's the corn. Okay, you don't have to say corn. People might be eating when they listen to this. Okay, we'll cut that out. We'll cut out the corn. No, I want to leave it. I like it. Anyway, my point is, I remember when he came out of the bathroom, the shame on his poor son's face, because we were like, you're dead and they're blowing it up.

And I think that's where my phobia comes from. I don't want to be that guy. When I was a kid, my mom took me into the stall with her, I was of an age where she was obviously not leaving me alone. And a woman was really farting a lot as she was going poo. And then we came out to the sinks, and I apparently turned to the woman and pointed and went, Mom, that's the lady who was farting. Oh, no. My mom says, to this day, that's the most embarrassing moment of her life.

Amazing. Oh my goodness. All right. Kelso's the gorilla. Kelso's the gorilla. By the way, Donald, I literally looked down at my notes. Spoiler alert. I looked down at my notes and saw, oh, that was a really funny reveal.

Yeah, I thought that was very funny. Do you think Ken was ever in the suit? Oh, I don't know. That's a great question. That is a great question. Let's ask Bill that one. Let's put Bill on. All right. Let's ask Bill that one. Let's put Bill on it. Let's ask Bill because Bill, I'm sure you want to say hi to the Tom Kavanaugh and,

you know, I did notice some of the fans were missing you and you're sabotaging our show by yelling the secret numbers. So Bill, was Ken Jenkins ever in the gorilla suit and also say hi to Tom Cavanaugh bill Hey guys, how you doing? Question number to Ken Jenkins in that gorilla suit. I seem to recall is what I love about Ken You know trying to be respectful of actors I was like, of course Ken if you want to be the guy in this suit, you know We and I think he cut me off and said, Bill, if it's not going to, you're not going to see me. I don't care if I'm ever in that girl's suit.

So I do not think Ken Jenkins was ever in that thing. Pretty sure. And I respect him more for it. Also got to say, man, not only one of my favorite guest stars on the show, but an all-time good buddy, Tom Kavanaugh. Hello, sir. Oh, hi. Tommy, how you doing, man?

I don't mean to steal this podcast, but it has been way too long since we've seen each other. It's been a, it's got to be at least, like five or six or seven or eight months. Five, six, seven, eight! Hey, Pug, no, thank you. Of course, what a dick this guy is. Turn it off, Dan.

Season two. Dan. Get a new. You need a new trick, trying to hijack our show. You know, speaking of tricks, the janitor never does his trick. Do you know what I'm saying? I was asking, I was about to ask that.

It's a writing, it's a writing flaw, Bill, sorry. What was that about? Since you just tried to hijack our show by saying the numbers, I will tell you, even though now you can't reply, that you're fucked up. Or Tim Hoverd, Tim Hoverd fucked up. Tim Hoverd fucked up, Tim Hoverd fucked up.

Why do you lay in that the janitor's gonna do a trick and he never does? I think it's a mislead for him being in the gorilla suit, but he's like twice Ken's height, so that doesn't really work. Just saying. Do you want to talk about how great it was to have Tom Cavanaugh on the podcast? Dude, you have to come back. You already said you will. I'm gonna force your hand. That was a classic misplay on your two guys' parts here. You guys

like, hey, Tom, come back. He's obsessive. Joel's going to be like, all he does is email me. He's like, please. This episode? Hey, just come back. Come back. Can I come back? Dude, we have some stories, you and I.

We've played a lot of basketball together. So the next time you're on, we'll talk all about that. You guys will talk sports ball. Yeah, you can go grab a tea, and we'll talk hoops. And then you can come back 10 minutes later. I will just put on Dear Evan Hansen and listen the whole time. And you guys will wave on the zoom call when it's open. Perfect. No, seriously, man, we love you. You're great. I'm so happy to be a part of this. Thank you guys for having me on. I'm grateful. No, thank you. Thank you. And thank you to

Daniel and Joel and, uh, and Donald, do you. And thank you to Danil and Joelle and Donald. Thank you, Zach. Do you want to lead us in song? I love you, Donald Faison. I love you, Zach Braff. And we love you, listeners. Thank you for listening and for being amazing and subscribe to this and what else? Email Joelle, scrubsiheart at gmail.com.

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