Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - Real Friends Classic: 207: My First Step

Episode Date: October 11, 2025

On this week's classic episode, the crew becomes risk averse and Dr. Cox tries to ignore his feelings for the new pharmaceutical sales rep. In the real world, Zach and Donald talk about their new adventures in video gaming, and Zach talks about his musical themed Bar mitzvah.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of heavyweight. And so I pointed the gun at him and said this isn't a joke. A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old. And a centenarian re-discovers a love lost 80 years ago. How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again? Listen to heavyweight on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I love the fact that you two went out and invested in better microphones because you knew you're going to be on the podcast. Yeah, both of y'all.

Hey, Donald, speaking of recording well, Donald, you blew out a lot. We handled it already. We handled it. We handled it. We handled it already. You're late. You're late. Tell Zach was what the problem was, though. You sounded like shit.

My housekeeper or my kids turned the volume all the way up to 10. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm going to turn, should I turn mine down too, Dan? That would happen. Mine's at seven or eight. That sounds good. But also, Donald, if you're going to blow out doing an Oprah voice or just going full Donald, back up.

Good advice right there. Yeah. Okay. If you're doing one of your classic Donald moments that's going to make you go woozy, you might want to just back up from the mic. Listen, I'm in no mood to be. What you're trying to get into a day of soon? What you're trying to do? Let's get into the podcast. How are you, man? I'm good. I got a little headache. I think I may have had one glass of wine too many that led to a what's called a headache, Donald. Really?

I drank a little bit of beer last night and woke up with a little bit of a, it's gone now, but it was like a little bit of a stuffy nose, like a little bit of a runny nose. When I drink a lot of hops, or wheat, or whatever that is, I get a little bit of a runny nose, I've noticed. Well, when I drink a little bit too much wine, I get what's called a headache. That's because of the sugar, though. I know.

You need to drink more water when you drink your wine. Of course you do, but I like it. Makes me happy. By the way, a lot of people were saying they do want to play the bingo game. I told you. I was wrong. I told you. So let's get some bingo cards from that.

Oh, you know, it would be good, Joelle, if we could get that guy's thing and then have it be easily downloadable for people. Oh, I could probably work on that. Yeah, so they can play along. We might need different bingo cards, too. Yeah, we need different bingo cards. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Well, who's going to do all that manual?

labor. Hi fans. If you would like to make bingo cards and look at them are available for free, you would have our never-ending gratitude. We can't pay you, but we could, our gratitude and our love and our respect and a shout out right here on the pod. I will shout out. Right. Not only that, but if you live in the United States of America, we will ship to you. Right, guys. Gigi's kombucha. So just, you know, if you're in the mood, if you got the time, make yourself a fake doctor's real friends bingo card so everyone can play along and somehow joel will figure out a way to make them available yes we can do that we can select we can select a winner at random so just making the card does not guarantee you some gtis kombucha just to clarify i can pick one of you guys at random oh joel's doing the

small print now joel i think you're supposed to say that like fast and low like just making a card does my do do do you know continental united states um by the way you are allowed to go to the UK Donald, you have to just quarantine alone for 14 days. It's the, because, you know, the UK left the, the EU. So you just can't, we're not allowed to go to Europe. Got it. Isn't that so embarrassing? We're so bad at this that we've been banned from Europe. Yeah. That's how it goes. That's how it goes. We didn't exactly nail it. No. We missed, we missed by a lot. I saw this graph

that showed the first spike and then it said it was labeled naive and then it showed the second spike and it goes stupid like you can call the first spike naive but the second spike is just stupidity well you know

and I'm just talking about this because it's been the whole year so far the whole year but fucking put on a mask guys All of this bullshit about I don't need to wear a mask. Like I was watching the news and some dude actually said the same thing that they said in the beginning. Oh, it's just like the flu.

If I get it, you know, my body could fight the infection. You know, I'm not afraid of this thing. He has no idea. No idea. Now, granted, he was coming from Arizona and going to Florida, the two hotspots in the United States. But still, dude. I read in Wisconsin, they're having a herd immunity festival. where people that want to try and get it are all going to meet and go to this festival

so they think that they can get it and create some sort of herd immunity. But hasn't herd immunity proven not to work with this virus? Some people have caught it twice. Yeah, and not in, and I think in Sweden, they did a whole experiment where they weren't going to do anything. And it didn't work. And it didn't work. No, and it didn't save them any dollars for their economy either. It has not been a success.

How are you, Donald Faison? How's, you know, the picture you posted of your daughter in the Zach Braftel really is a beautiful shot. It put a tear to my eye because she's such a beautiful child and what a glorious towel. Anyway, how are you, how's life over at your house? How are things going? It's different, man, you know. Are you still using the inflatable, are the kids over the inflatable thing you bought in the backyard? Yeah, they are.

So we started to do a little bit of golf. So you know how I love to play golf. Oh, I saw that. I saw that picture of you and your kids all playing golf. You know how I love to play golf, so I took them to the driving range, and my daughter's really excited about it. She's gung-ho about hitting balls with dad, and she, you know, she's picking it up. My son, however, would rather play video games. I made a mistake when I was a few years ago, well, last year.

I introduced Rocco to video games. Big mistake. Every word out of his mouth now. Now, granted, his vocabulary has grown by leaps and bounds. But, holy cow, man, if I got to hear about, you know, Minecraft and the Indermen and jewels and all of that stuff. Is Minecraft his favorite? Well, no, he has three favorites.

Okay, what are I? Well, now four. It's Minecraft, Zelda. the Breath of the Wild. I see Joelle loves Breath of the Wild suns down. This is a child of taste. Yeah, well, yeah. Star Wars

Battlefront, which is a first person shooter game, but in the Star Wars universe. And the fourth one, it just started happening, and it's like some I don't remember the name, something like Castle, something.

I don't know. Anyway, hold on. Rocko! we've never gotten a feature for my we have one feature a while ago from rock very briefly it's been a minute rock those first cameo i'm excited to hear with this last this castle yeah me too oh my god it can't be it can't be castlevania that's so violent castle crashers i thought it might be castle crashers that can yeah no wait i don't know castle crashes what is this four player co-op very like low polygraphics it's really fun yes a living room game

I love it. What's a living room game? A game that everybody can play. A game you can play in your couch. Everybody can play. Yeah, everybody in your house can sit on the couch and play a game, the game. Whereas Minecraft, you could play it with four players, but that shit is tough. Or two players, I'm not sure.

But, uh, and I just got an Xbox one. So I think I'm going to try and get in, you know, get Castle crashes if you're into, if you know what you really, listen, I know we, the switch. Get that, dude. And get Zelda. of the wild. Oh, that's what he's playing on Switch? That's the one game he plays on Switch.

And that game alone is worth buying the Switch for, period. Well, I just got Xbox because I feel like I've reached the point in quarantine where I'm going to have to start doing some new stuff. Get the Switch, dude. I'm going to get into a video game. Get the Switch and get Zelda. I'm telling you right now. Switch and get Zelda, Breath of the Wild.

I just got an Xbox One. I'm sure I can find a game to play on Xbox One. Why are you telling me to get a whole different? system. Because this, I'm telling you right now, dude, if you want to play a game that's going to occupy your time and make your brain do, you know, thinking stuff, Zelda, Breath of the Wild. Am I wrong, guys? Please, if I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong. You're certainly not wrong. It's a great game. There's also great games for that. I will now go return. That is, that are as good as return the Xbox One because Donald, Donald cannot think of a game that I might like on Xbox

one. So I'm going to return it. I can think of games that I don't. on Xbox one. I can think a game. The back paddle, I don't know what type of gamer, Zach is. Like, what do you like in your video? It doesn't play video games. I don't really play, but when we were making the TV show scrubs, I would get into games. And the last game I remember being really into was Hitman.

The first one. The first one. Okay. All right. I really liked it because for me, it was, I liked the idea of, like, having to play a character and, like, go undercover. and like you'd feel your heart beating when they were starting to figure you out

and I really like that. What do you call that type of game? I finished that game. That's how. But there's another one. There's been a second one that apparently is really good that I never played.

A third one on the way. There's a third one on the way. So I think I might, I don't know, what do you call that kind of game? That's what I like. Totally. I feel like you might be like an elder scrolls

or like a Skyrim kind of guy. I don't like too much wizardy shit. Scratch Elder Scrolls, get the F out of here. Scratch Skyrim, too. When people start throwing GTA, he might like GTA. When people start throwing like wizard spells, I'm out. I don't like that. I like reality.

I started to like that one the Spider-Man kid is playing. Unchartered? No, no, no. Unchartered. Oh, uncharted. That's a good one. That's a great game series. Yeah, I think I might like that one.

It's for the PlayStation, so you can't get it on Xbox. Sorry. Also, isn't there a Wild West one that's kind of a... Red Dead Red Dead Redemption. Get that, yes. Yes, get that. Super worth it. Get the second one.

Red Dead Red Dead Redemption 2. Also, you just can throw it out there. Assassin's Creed. I don't like that. I don't like those games. Whoa! There you go. It's very similar to Hitman.

It's very similar in video game form. It is very similar. I just find it, it's weird that I don't, I just don't like the game. I don't know. That's just me. Totally fun. That's fair. That's fair.

That's fair. Also, when CyberPonel. 17 comes out, Zach, I feel like you will really enjoy that game because you get to create every aspect and I mean every aspect of your character and then your choices determine the storyline. So there's not

one linear storyline that every player will have. It's entirely based on your choices throughout the game. It's supposed to be really good. I'm very excited about it. I tried to get into GTA Don because you were obsessed with it while we did scrubs but I just found it, I found it boring after a while. Well, then you might not like Red Dead Redemption too

then if that's the case because it's the same. It's kind of kind of the same thing as GTA. Red Dead redemption. I thought Red Dead redemption was like going around the West. We're about to get into our first fight. Let's talk about this shit. Because every game that I'm like, this shit is dope. You're like, eh, well, it's all right.

And then every game that you're like, this shit is dope. I'm like, that shit sucks. So let's get into this. No, we probably shouldn't because we should segue off video games because there might be listeners who are already bored as fuck about us talking about video games. We can do this later. Yeah, I should do a video game podcast.

Okay. By the way, I saw a lot of chatter about people really wanting a Donald Joel Star Wars podcast. So I think you guys need a side hustle. I'm going to agree with us starting Star Wars podcast. You guys can just go off. You won't get stopped by me. You won't have me going. I'm so bored.

You guys can geek out about Star Wars forever. I mean, if I heart wants to do a Star Wars podcast, we're down to be the hosts of it. we joel absolutely absolutely especially i think between the two of us we probably know everybody who's either involved in like the creation and or talking about i know like a ton of the talking heads uh from like star wars dot com and you know people like that's be fun to do like interviews and talk about our favorite characters i can get you deborrah chow who directed a bunch of the mandolarians and is directing um the new obi one series she's my friend when i tell you i will sob openly i'm so obsessed with debor oh my god what a talent i can get you your first mega

guest, Debra Chow. That would be our first episode. All right, let me bring it to the higher-ups. We'll discuss. There you go. I want to cut, though. I want to cut. And I want to occasionally come on and be like, this is so boring.

You'll never, we'll never have you on the podcast. Do you want to fucking count us in, Donald's? Let's fucking start the show. I do want to count us in, but I also want to talk about the fact that our neighbor in New York City, when we lived in New York went to Twitter. Amy Tan went to Twitter. Somebody hit her up and said, is this story true? And she was like, I don't know, I don't know.

She was like, I don't ever recall writing a letter to anyone. But I've had several people live sublet the place. So can you tell me the year? And I'm going to tell it the year. It would have been summer of 2002, right? Either 2002 or 2000. Well, we came out 2001. Yeah, the show came on in one.

So it would have been summer of 2002. It was the loft in Soho, and it was the one right above your loft, Ms. Tan, and we apologize. We were young, and we were partying, and we were loud. And if it wasn't you, then... Well, we were told it was you, and we definitely got a letter that we assumed was from you. And then we also got told... We also got told by whoever we rented from that we needed to shut the fuck up. Yeah, and keep it down.

And they kept our deposit, too. I wrote a very angry letter about them keeping our deposit. I do remember that as well. Yeah, because I was like, this is some BS. Because the place had some problems. We loved it, but it had some problems. Yeah, like not enough rooms. If you ever rent a place and it's got all these problems,

but you kind of suck it up and you're like, oh, whatever. Then they try and keep your deposit. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This place ain't all that now. Let's talk about the fucking 35 things we looked the other way from. Like, you know, like air conditioning Right, oh, it was so hot Like the fact that Donald didn't have a room

And started calling himself Benson Anyway Five, six, seven, eight Stories about show we made About a bunch of doctors and nurses And a janitor who loved me I said here's the stories That we all should know

So gather around to hear our Gather around to hear our Gather around to I'll hear our Scrudge. We'll watch the show with Zach and don't know. I love you. Your beard's looking nice, by the way. It's getting fuller. It's grown in. It's full. And there's no gray in that thing. There's a lot of gray in it. It's just like one. Really? I don't see it. Yeah. If I grow a beard now, it's too, it's too gray. I don't like it. I feel like it makes me look too old. So I don't really do it anymore. Although I was seeing on the interwebs, they have this, this dye you can put in your beard.

Yeah, but then like if you put your face on a pillow and the pillow. white you got dye all on the pillow no i don't think it comes off really it comes off hell yeah man oh you've tried it no i just think it comes off that's makeup though i think the dye is more is more permanent okay hather locklear is in this episode donald oh are you going to sum it up for us yeah i i am going to sum it up for you okay so this is um this is a good episode very funny and uh Heather Locklear is the guest star. I think she does two episodes. Yes.

And she gets the classic, gorgeous woman entrance and scrubs where she comes in the hallway and slow motion with the fan. And she looks marvelous. But let's first hear a summary. Let me get my stopwatch ready. Okay, I'm going to be honest with you guys. This summary is really quick. Well, then you're going to beat 30 seconds, I guess.

I'm going to definitely beat 30 seconds this time around. Okay, well, let's, you know, don't go. Because this episode had so many things in it, but it all boils down to one thing. Hit the stopwatch. Wait, but one second. I don't want you to get too cocky with your summaries. You have to really tell me. Hit the stopwatch already.

And go. All right, see, this episode, it all boils down to one thing. When you really think about it, this episode's all about taking chances and the positive things that can happen when you exit your comfort zone. And it takes Elliott, J.D., Carla, and Doc. Dr. Cox, this whole episode to realize good things can happen when you step out of your comfort zone. That was very good.

You know, I noticed you slowed down, so you were trying to make it fill the 30 seconds. Right. You know, you spoke in a very leisurely pace. Because this time, there's not much to this episode. I'm a feeling the only thing you wanted to say was this episode is about taking chances. So you were like, go. This episode is about one thing. I got very, I got very Bill Shatner with it, huh?

This episode. It's about one thing. You know, do you ever remember when Chattner went on S&L and he was playing himself at a convention? Yeah, at a convention. And John Lovitz is like, yes, I have a question. In episode 3, 27, what is the combination to the safe? And he goes, look, I just have to say one thing after coming to all these conventions. and I get all your letters

and your fan mail and I just have to say get a life because it was a show we did it years ago great I remember that great great episode

I wonder he must have gotten a lot of backlash from like the hardcore trekies He is Listen I've I've met William Shatner quite a few times And he is a lovely man And he is very funny and does not take the Star Trek fandom serious like that, seriously like that.

Like he's for real like on some, I played this role. I love the fact that everybody loves it, but that doesn't necessarily define who I am. You know what I'm saying? Really. So, but so how are they, I wonder how those mega fans are with him, because a lot of people who are in mega fandom pieces of content, understandably and rightfully so, embrace the fan base and do whatever they want. And he embraces it completely. He embraces it and when they come to him...

He doesn't roll his eyes about it, or... I don't know that he rolls his eyes about it, and I don't know how he is with his fans. But when you talk to him about it, yeah, he's well aware. I was in Star Trek, and it was a very popular show, and I, you know, I crushed it. That being said, you know, there were other shows. T.J. Hooker with Heather Locklear, dude.

Oh, yeah. By the way, by the way, we're looking. what good hosts we are. We're circling back to T.J. Hooker with Shatner. And Heather Locklear. And Heather Locklear. What an odd name for a show, T.J. Hooker. For those of you who don't know, it was not about a hooker. It was about a cop.

A cop. A bunch of cops. They were partners, right? I never saw an episode. I think she was on it. I think she, this is how dope Heather Locklear. She's had such a long career. Oh, my God.

Back in the day, I think she was on two hit shows at one time. And I don't know if they were on the same network, but I know she was doing two shows at one time and both of them were hits. And she was ratings gold. Well, she was on Dynasty, right? And she was on Melrose Place, obviously. And she was on T.J. Hooker.

Right. I searched her. I don't know if I saved her. It just seemed like if you wanted a ratings bump and you needed some, you needed to bring the ratings up, you bring Heather Locklear into the fold. And she just works wonders on ratings. She certainly is a very pretty human being, and I think people always liked her.

She's also very, very funny and talented, man. It was, it was like the perfect... She was on Spin City. She was on Bill's show, Spin City. It was also, it's like the perfect storm of, you know, of talent. She's very beautiful. Yes. She's very funny.

She did dynasty. By the way, she's coming on the program, right, Joelle? Yes. We have her scheduled for the next episode, episode eight. The next episode, we're having her on, Donald. How fancy is that? I love this. I mean, I think.

I don't want to let the fans down. I mean, you never know what can happen in the fast-paced, moving world of podcast booking guests. But so far, so far we have her. I'm very excited about it. She's, I just wanted to say, and she's, she's having such an interesting life. We got to, we got to ask her. We got to, we got to go deep with Heather. Are you going to go, are we going to go deep?

Are we going to go deep, deep? Deep undercover, like Eddie Murphy and Beverly Hillscap, too? No, I'm not trying to, like, ask her personal questions, but I mean, she's just had such a... I didn't say ask her personal questions. Are we trying to go deep, deep, deep undercover, though. She liked rockers. She was married to Tommy Lee. She was married to Ritchie Sambora.

Oh, she had a relationship with Jack Wagner. My sister, uh, may she rest in peace. Man, did she have a crush on Jack Wagner? You know who that is, Donald? Yeah, he's a great golfer. Jack Wagner? Mm-hmm. No, but he's a, he's an actor.

No, I know he's an actor, but he's also one of the best celebrity golfers. I think he also sings, too. I think my sister used to love him so much. She used to listen to his music. Okay, no, I've got her things up here. She's, um, gosh, she's been on so many shows. Her first job, it looks like, was on chips as a teenager. Wow.

And, um, T.J. Hooker, uh, Dynasty. Um, a show called Going Places, Melrose Place, Spin City. she was on a show called L-A-X in 2004-D-N-5 The Melrose Place Reunion Geez Wow, she works a lot Well, it's Heather Locklear, dude Hey, she was in Uptown Girls

Yeah Wow, I mean, just to just to show the audience How well we're dovetailing all this together Uptown Girls is the movie Donald made When we were in New York When Amy Tan got mad at us That's exactly this is this is turning out to be wow it looks almost like being planned at all it's it does

seem like it's like our fans right now the people listening to this podcast right now like they're making this up but we're not making this up this is all true yeah it's as though don't so anyway we're going to ask her about some of that we got to i mean i don't i don't know we're going to ask her about everything we're going to ask about chattner we're going to ask about melrose place did you ever watch melrose place i mean i did not yeah it wasn't really aimed at us i don't think. No. But, um, yeah, Andrew Shoe went to my high school. He was a very good soccer. Nobody cares, Zach. Oh. I'm just telling you, Andrew Shoe went and, you know, who his sister is. Elizabeth Shoe. Yeah. Both went to Columbia High School in Maplewood, New Jersey. Now, let me get this

straight. Elizabeth Shoe, adventures and babysitting Elizabeth's Shoe? Yeah. She and my wife kind of look alike. yeah they have the similar hair and similar chins too you know who else went to my high school no Lauren Hill Lauren Hill we were in all strum in my pay with his fingers singing my life with his words go ahead killing me softly with his song killing me softly with his song telling my whole life with his words killing me softly I love

miseducation of Lauren Hill so much With his song Oh Bum Bum bianum Bowno Bannoh

Yeah You wouldn't know that But that's Tribe Call Quest right there No that's Oh yeah But that was off the Fuji's album That song was off the Fuji's album

And but her solo album I loved so much yeah that that record's one of the best records ever made I think I might agree with you to this day she was at my bar mitzvah and you know we play a game at bar mitzvahs well at least the kids used to called Coke and Pepsi and it's like a dance floor game

like you're on one side and your partner's on the other and your Coke and your partner's Pepsi and if they go Coke all the all the kids run over and they sit on your on your knee and they go Pepsi and it's kind of like a musical chair's thing The last person there was kicked off, kicked off, kicked off until there's only two left standing. Well, Lauren Hill was my Coke and Pepsi partner at my Bar Mitzvah, and that's the extent of the anecdote. Did you guys win?

I don't think we won, no. Well, because I invited some jocks to my bar mitzvah, and I think they got really serious about it. And, you know, they were, you know, Lauren and I were like the two actors, you know, joking around. We weren't, like, really trying to win Coke and Pepsi. Got it. Can you tell me what song you walk? out too for your bar mitzvah and and how you and the high stepping that you did so what happened was um i entered my bar mitzvah so what they said oh my god this is so embarrassing i love it though

it's so embarrassing but you know what no one's listening um it's just us it's just the four of us so the theme was musical theater hell yes so you know for those of you don't know back in the day i don't know if kids do this anymore but back in the day you're a bar mitzvah had to have like a theme and and often kids would choose their sport because that's what, you know, my theme is soccer and like the centerpieces would be soccer balls and the cake would look like a soccer ball and it was just, you know, that kind of thing.

And so my theme is musical theater and the company that planned the party hired actors to dress up as famous characters from different musicals. Like one guy was dressed as like a cat from cats. One gal was dressed as someone in Sunday in the park with George with like a parasol. Someone was dressed as like Le Miz,

you know, someone on a barricade kind of thing. And then so as I, so as I walked into the room, these people were standing as centerpieces in the middle of the tables frozen as robots. And as I walked into the room,

the band struck up, let's hear it for the boy. And then the centerpieces all started moving at like robotic, like robotic, figures to the rhythm of let's hear it for the boy. And you high stepped into the, and you high stepped into your bat mitzvah. Yes. Let's hear it for the boy. And the crowd went wild. And all the different robotic

people moved like robots to let's hear it for the boy. Maybe he's no Romeo, but he's my loving one man show. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's hear it for the boy. And I remember that my friend... I remember that my friend... My friend Roger Heller, he noticed that the guy playing one of the cats from the musical cats was distracted doing his robot dance to let's hear it for the boy. And so he took his spoon and he tied the guy's tail around a bunch of silverware. So when the poor guy's number was over, And the guy was, like, taking his bow and got down off the table, he was clanking slower that Roger had tied to his tail.

Like a car that had cans tied to it, just married. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It was so embarrassing. That's hilarious. Let's take a break. We'll be right back after these fine words. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie.

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her. We know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizens, investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica

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Model Wars on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's get into the episode. All right. Heather Lockleyer comes in. Now, I don't know if you know this, Donald, or if our listeners know this, but I find that not everyone knows this. This is a real thing, that the pharmaceutical companies, they send out a, uh, They're often beautiful women, I assume handsome men as well, but more often than not, they're beautiful women. And their job is to convince doctors to prescribe their drug.

And they'll, they still do tons of shady stuff. I think some of it's been attempted to be curbed because it was out of control. I knew girls in my high school that would do this, right out of high school, like their first job or right at a college, their first job was going to do this. And if you're ever in a doctor's office and you see someone come in and they're all kind of dolled up and they're pulling a little roly bag, that's often a pharmaceutical rep. And you'll be frustrated when you see them go in the office before you and you're like, oh, I've been waiting here. And now I have to wait for her to go schmooze the doctor. And they always have, that's why the doctor always has all this swag that we joke about in the episode and T-shirts. But that's the least of it.

They keep track of how much the doctor is prescribing the drug. And if you prescribe it a certain amount, they're like, can win vacations and trips. And they take them to lunch and they buy them expensive, just like this dinner that's in this episode. And they'll, they'll, they shmooze the nurses to. So they like, oh, I brought sushi. I brought cupcakes. And it's all this like, it's like peyola. It's like this super shady aspect of, um, of the pharmaceutical world.

Not that there needs to be more shady aspects, but it's, uh, it's something that really, really happens. And it's really, really fucked up, I think, because, but they're basically like incentivizing the doctors to prescribe their drug or recommend it. Right. Well, in this episode, this drug that she's pushing actually works very well. The only problem that Cox has with it is that they've marked it up so high. It's sort of like epipens. Epipens work great. Everybody, if you have allergies to anything and you can, and you go into anaphylactic shot, because of your allergies or because of said allergies

and EpiPen can help save your life. The problem with Epipens are they're so expensive and even the generic brand is so expensive and very hard to come by. Yeah, I mean, of course,

and the marking up of drugs is a whole other thing. That's why people drive across the border to go to Canada where they don't mark the drugs up like that and, I mean, they have like literally have bus trips where a bunch of seniors will get on a bus and go to Canada to buy their drugs

for a more affordable price and then come back to this country. But let's not get on a giant tangent like that because we can make a whole podcast about how fucked up that shit is. But anyway, this episode is about a pharmaceutical rep coming to bribe everyone with pens and swag and free steak all to get.

And sexiness, and of course, sexiness, which is something that is a part of it. I imagine in my brain some of this has been curbed, but back in the day it was all about like flirting. I mean, all the girls that I knew that did this were attractive women and they would say, yeah, part of it is like, you know, gentle flirting to get the doctors to, to prescribe their drug. And then they would have, this girl once showed me, she's like, you don't believe the data we have on these doctors, like what they're prescribing, how many times they prescribed our drug, when they didn't prescribe our drug

and they do all this sort of shady stuff like they put them certain doctors on retainer oh you're a consultant with our pharmaceutical company which is basically just fucking shady payola to make sure they're prescribing it and when it's not an addictive drug it's like okay that's one little of shady now cut to it when it's an opioid

and they're fucking prescribing oxy cotton and making everyone addicts I highly recommend this book called dopesick If you want to read about this, it's about how the pharmaceutical industry, particularly Purdue Pharma, got into basically turning in so many people into opioid addicts because of the over-prescription of Oxycontin. And I just finished this book, and it's amazing. And I think Michael Keaton is going to make it into a miniseries.

But don't wait for that. Read the book. Dopesick. The episode starts off with people getting hurt. This kid's gotten hurt, got hurt, and you watched him get hurt. on video. Yes. I got to be honest with you,

I watch a lot of crazy shit because I enjoy watching people get hurt. But then it turns, it turns, you know, sometimes. Like, sometimes it's like, wow, that was funny. He fell and hurt himself. He busted his ass.

But then the things that you can see on the internet on like Instagram now, some of these things, you're like, I don't want to watch that. You know what I mean? This is harmless. Him crushing his nuts on a rail is harmless to me. Do you wince when you watch

someone get their nuts hurt? I feel a pain in my, in my genitals whenever I see anyone get hurt. It's like a, it's a quick pain. I don't know if women understand this. Not to say that it doesn't hurt when they hurt their groins, but men have a physical just reaction when you see someone hurt their nuts, where I kind of grab mine if I'm alone and I'm allowed to

and just make sure that they're okay. No, this happens to me if I see anyone get hurt ever, dude, ever. If anyone ever gets... But I'm talking particularly a test. moment. Like this kid in this episode, he lands on a railing, he's skateboarding and he lands on the railing on his nuts. It depends on how, it depends on how unsuspected it is. You know what I mean? Like, we knew watching this that the kid's going to crush his nuts. So I didn't necessarily flinch as hard as if I were watching something. And out of nowhere, somebody gets pummeled

in the, in the, in the, in the balls. That's when I'm like, oh my God. And I, and I flinch and I feel that sharp pain in my testes from it. Yeah. Yeah, I clutched my balls when I saw this kid fall over and over and over again. I thought that she was hilarious. Now, when she walks in and does her slow motion sexy walk-in, they cut, you cut to a fantasy, and it's me and Deontay Gordon, who's Donald Stand-in, who's often in the background, is next to me, and he's wearing puka shells. Did you notice that? I did. Do you remember when Deontay used to wear puka shells? No, but that's hilarious. I mean, I haven't seen someone wear pukeshells since I was a child, and I didn't really notice that Deonti was walking around the scrub set,

we were wearing pukeshells. This was also 20 years ago, bud. But still, pukeshells were not in in 2002. I'm sure they were, because D'Otty hasn't run around his neck. No, I think even at the time. And it's like a choker, too.

It's not like they hung low. It's choking him, damn here. It's like, you know, you know how like the women had this style, a few years ago where they were all wearing the tight chokers around their neck? Yeah, what was the purpose of that? Can we, what was? Chokers look awesome. There's no.

Oh, there you know. Where do they look awesome? All the time. In Victorian times when they were hitting in the 80s and the 90s. Now, Chokers in life. It just looks weird to have a black ribbon around your neck. Are you ready to? They're going to fall off when they take them off.

Well, they're gone again, Jewel, right? The fad was strong for a couple years now. I feel like it's gone again. The punk princesses are holding on strong. I love them. Rock on girls. Yeah, not seeing it on like Vogue anymore or anything like that, though. No.

And I would say Pookishel's, yes, early 2000s because the OC was around and those boys had on. Oh, maybe Deonté was inspired by the O.C. Deontes is from California. Deontes went to school in O.C. type of high school type situation. Yeah, man. So he wanted to be. And then he went to, I think Deontay went to like UC Santa Barbara or something like that. One of the party schools, you see one of those UC party schools.

Well, all they know is it's a very funny sight watching Deontay wearing a puka shell choker. Yeah, hilarious. And then the corpse sitting up because of how hot Heather L'Alier is. That was funny. And she rubs his head through the body bag. Yeah.

And then I give a little, like, that's a gift. I see a lot is that moment where she, like, blows a kiss and I do a little, I do a little, like, kiss to her. Is that a, is that a... Yeah, I'm going to send you that gift after we get off the podcast. Right on. It's a funny one. But, yeah, so Deonti and Pucashel's, his face is really funny, too.

Yeah. If you guys are watching this, go to go around 206 and you'll see this moment. It's really, really funny. And then threesome talk. Carla is very into a threesome if it's with Heather Locklear. Right. But she's kind of talking smack because she doesn't know that you're going to go and try. She says, she's like, oh, you know, yeah, if it's with someone like her, I'll do it.

And then she doesn't know that you're like, you go try and chat Heather up. Right. The new title sequence is back. And I saw on Scrubs Wiki that it's the last time it's ever seen. So for those of you who love it and liked it, this is the last episode it's ever seen. And then it's retired forever. I thought that there's another change to the title at some point where it just goes, Superman. No Superman.

Yeah. Eventually, what happens, every season, they kept cutting the amount of showback to put in more advertiser time. And so then it became like, well, we don't have time for all of this whole title sequence. So then it was just like, I'm no Superman. And that was it. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, another thing I read on Scrubs Wiki, interestingly, was that this episode when it first aired was a supersized one.

So it was 10 minutes longer. Remember that NBC at the time was doing some supersized episodes? Right. They still do that. Well, there's 10 minutes of the show that aren't on the one I watch that were on when it aired. So God knows what those 10 minutes were. Oh, so there's a show missing. Yeah, well, I watched it on iTunes.

You watched it on Hulu? Yeah. Well, it was, I think it was 24 minutes or something. But there's a 34-minute version of this episode somewhere. Oh, wow. I wonder if that's on the DVDs or not. Probably is. That I don't know.

I like when I try and hit on her at 333, I'm like, she goes, I'm Julie. I go, were you named after a jewel? E? He's so bad at hitting on women, this guy. Yeah, well, he's a, you know, he's a... A nerd. Yeah, he's, he's, this is the... It's so charming, though. You know what I mean?

For a nerd, he does get some pretty amazing women. Yeah, he's so charming. He's so charming. He's charming. He's charming. He's charming, and he's a doctor, and he's goofy. I'd like to double her. and tondra. Yeah. But again, in the spirit of flirting, she's like, come grab a pen. And they're like all right above her breast. Yeah. You know, it's all about like, you know, one by one. She's worked, she works Kelso. She works Dr. Cox. She's working, she works you with the steak that you eat. Makes you sick. Works. Yeah. Oh, man. Have you ever had a turf and turf night? We go steak night. We used to go steak night. We used to legitimately go steak night, but now I'm a pescatarian.

But this is where steak night. This is where steak night kind of started. This is where we learned Turk loves steak. Yes, you really love steak. Turf and turf. Turf and turf. Do you know until this episode, I had no idea with surf and turfment? Yeah, that's when you have a lobster with your, or does it any fish or just lobster?

I believe it's any fish, anything in the sea. Yeah. And does that mean it could be any food that eats grass? Good question. I assumed it was always steak. You know, I grew up kosher, so I never had lobster and stuff like that, a shellfish, until I was, like, 14, 15 years old. Do you want to tell them that story? Which one?

After your bat mitzvah. Oh, my bar mitzvah. Bot mitzvah is for a girl. Bar mitzvah? Oh, your bar mitzvah? Well, my father made us kosher when we were kids. And after my bar mitzvah, after I successfully became a man in the eyes of the Jewish faith, my dad, I said to my father, I said to my father, like, well, if I'm a man, I really don't want to be kosher anymore.

I'd like to make that decision for myself. And he was kind of, his mind was kind of blown. Like, I Jedi mind tricked him. And he was like, I couldn't believe it worked. And then from that moment on, I was no longer kosher. But he said outside of the house, because like... I was about to say, there was no way you were bringing like a lobster home from the supermarket. Like, this is for me.

No, no, no, no. If I just sit down the table and start eating like a baking double cheeseburger, no. You guys eat your food. I'm going to eat right. No, no, no. But his rule was outside of the house you can eat whatever you want. Also, my parents had gotten divorced and my mom was now, you know, living with my stepfather and they weren't kosher.

So it was a confusing time for us as kids. Like, come on, guys. You guys got to get on a unified front here. Like, what the hell are we allowed to eat, you know? And so that's kind of part of it, too. You know, so we never, we never had any kind of shellfish or any pork or any dairy mixed with meat. And then it was such a bizarre rule. Like, if you, let's say you had meat for dinner, you would have to wait an hour until you could have ice cream.

Why? That's part of being the kosher rules. Like, is there a specific reason on why that's? Well, back in the day, it was, it was theory about health and eating things that wouldn't make you sick, you know. back in like biblical times but now it's just tradition so you know you know i always was like sitting there being like oh my god how long has it been 45 minutes do you think god do you think god is going to be pissed if i have the ice cream like 15 early but you know it's just like would you say shit like that when you were a kid to your parents no i mean are you kidding me i was

afraid of my dad i wasn't saying anything like that but i mean i in my mind i was thinking like this is crazy even as a kid like this is crazy god not care about this. That's how I felt. That's how I felt, Donald. That's all good. So let's go back to, I'd like to double her entangra. Yeah.

The Todd? Yeah. I'd like to double her entendre. That might be, I still use that shit to this day. It's a double entendre. I'd like to double her entendre. It's not as good as, are you going to turn everything into sexual innuendo? In your endo.

In your endo. Um, yeah, the Todd is pretty funny in this episode, although it's a little creepy that he's planning to hide out and watch you have sex with Judy. No, he was in the break room. He was in the room sleeping already. He wasn't hiding out. He was already in there. Oh, I was under the impression that he was like, he was like, he figured out that you guys were going to have sex. And so he was like hanging out on the top punk. No, no, no, no. He went into that. He went in there to be the Todd and do whatever the Todd. That's a good ask Rob question. How come the Todd is always in the break room when something, something's about to, when something, something's about to jump off? The Todd does take a lot of naps, I have to say. He does, right?

There's an episode where Todd says sometimes when I'm banging this mattress, I'm thinking about banging that one. The one underneath. So we know that Todd likes to hump the mattresses in the break room. Right. So I think we should ask, Rob, why is Todd always in the break room alone? Well, between all the surgical enhancements and rejuvenations, the Todd needs a little catnap to cut down on recovery time between operating sessions. I've been told I'm a bit of a sleep humber, though.

Sometimes when I'm banging the top mattress, I'm thinking about banging the bottom one. Thank you, Rob. Thank you, Rob. And just to give Robb's a plug, if you guys want, you can hire him on Cameo. Go on that app, and you can hire Rob to say anything. Pretty much. Yeah, within reason. Right.

And you can send your friends a Rob video of him saying funny stuff. These are great ideas for birthday presents. If you have friends that are diehard Scrubs fan and fans and love the Todd, here's a way for you to get the Todd to deliver some sort of five and a funny anecdote. And, you know, I haven't really been on the cameo too. too much, but I like the idea of hiring people I like to say funny things. Yeah, it's great. Donald and I are not on there, but we want you to put all of your scrubs love in to Rob.

Get Rob to say funny things. I think I might hire Rob to send you a message, Donald. Okay, yeah, sure. Yeah, I mean, it would be well received. But maybe with you, I should hire a basketball player because they have a lot of sports athletes on there, and I could get you one. If you could get anyone to send me a message, I would love a message from Tracy Morgan. I don't know if he's, I bet he's not on Cammy.

He's got a zillion dollars now, especially as his settlement. I'm Brian. If you can get Tracy Morgan to hit me up as Brian Fellows. You did it once in your life. You had Tracy Morgan. What did I do? Oh, that's right. I did.

Because you know I'm a huge Tracy Morgan fan, right? And you know how much I love Brian Fellows. I'm Brian Fellows. Right. And it was just after, I think one of the best Tracy Morgan's Saturday Night Lives is when Brittany Spears hosted. That made no sense, but it was so funny. But he's so funny on that episode.

Anyway, Rob Machio's on Cameo, guys. We're going to break. Let me ride, man. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in gravesk County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know.

A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica occurring. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn, or any of that other stuff that y'all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart. How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again? And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old.

And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke. And he got down. And I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power. Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother try to solve my problems through hypnotism. We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time. Being more able to look people in the eye. Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to heavyweight on the I-heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the kind body story. A podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of. women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity,

it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny.

Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Power struggles, shady money, drugs, violence, and broken promises. It's a freaking war zone. These people are animals. There's no integrity. There's no loyalty. That's all gone. In the 1980s, modeling wasn't just a dream. It was a battlefield. Book, book, book, make deals. Let's get models in. Let's get them out. And the models themselves, they carried scars that never fully healed. Until this day, honestly, if I see a measuring tape, I freak out.

The Model Wars podcast peels back the glossy cover and reveals a high-stakes game where survival meant more than beauty. Hosted by me, Vanessa Grigoriatis, this is the untold story of an industry built on ruthless ambition. Listen to Model Wars on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. You get your podcast. I love how Rob seems to write out his thing. Like, I thought he was just going to, like, you know, just answer it, but it seems very prepared

and he writes them out. And he runs the line. He puts his time in. He runs his line. He runs his line. Is our guest here, Dannell? Yes, they are. yeah let him in yeah already yeah bring in the guests ladies and gentlemen give it up for

devon devon how are you man hey i'm doing well what about yourself we're chilling you know making it happen like everybody else trying to at least chilling like a villain donald don't you say that chilling like a villain i don't ever say chilling like a villain you fucking tool devon do you see how i'm addressed do you see how i'm how i'm talked to well you made the dumbest remark and said Do you say chilling like a villain, Donald? What the fuck says chilling like a villain? Devin, do you follow sports and basketball in particular at all? I do, yes.

And who's your favorite team? I'm a Dallas Mavericks fan. Oh, see, you're lucky, man. You've won a ring. You guys stole Porsinkas from us. Are you coming from Dallas right now? Are you hitting us up from Dallas right now? I'm not, actually.

I'm one of those weird Dallas Mavericks fans. I'm originally from Pennsylvania, and I'm in Virginia now. I became a Dallas Mavericks fan because Dirk. I lost a bet in junior high school and so I had to take German as my foreign language and I ended up sticking with it and I majored in and in college but my dad wasn't a big basketball fan

he was a big baseball guy and so I kind of had free reign to pick my team and I always loved picking underdogs and the MAVs kind of had pretty good squads leading up to that championship team but nothing fully came together up until 2011

And so I, you know, picked Dirk and I, Mark Cuban seems like a pretty cool guy. I like Mark Cuban. Hard to dislike a lot of what he's doing. I like Mark Cuban. Yeah. I don't know anything about sports, but I like Mark Cuban. Devin, do you have a question for us about anything? It doesn't have to be about scrubs. It could be about anything.

Yeah, absolutely. I, you know, prepared a couple. I'm lucky enough to know John Putch, who directed a couple episodes, I think, starting at the tail end of season five. Yeah, great guy. He grew up in the same town I did and frequent in the restaurant my mom owned. He actually filmed one of his movies partially in that restaurant, and I got to be an extra, so I got them to meet him through that. And I know you both have talked a lot about what different directors brought,

especially in the early couple of episodes. So for someone like John, you know, where end of season five, you guys, I think had already done 120-ish episode. episodes, give or take. What was it like, you know, coming in as a new director, how, and, you know, Zach, you kind of, you got to direct your own couple of episodes for a show that kind of had its voice, it had its style. How did you balance that with your own personal styles? That's a good question. Someone like that is in a tough place because they're coming into a machine five seasons in that's so well-oiled. You know, we really all, we crank them out. You know, by the time you come to five seasons, everybody knows what they're doing,

everybody knows their characters. And a director that's coming in brand new, they just got to make sure that they go with the flow. You still want to, a director like John would still want to come in and add his own spin and add his own flare and come up with cool shots and have suggestions. But you don't want him coming in and trying to change the style at all and going in and doing something out of the norm. Well, someone like him would really have to know the show, really have watched a lot of episodes. a lot of times what they'll do is come and hang out on the set

and watch somebody else direct so they just kind of not only gives you a chance to meet everyone and kind of shoot the shit a bit but also you get the sense of like everyone's vibe like ooh I see that Johnny C

doesn't like to do more than that many takes I'm gonna just make a mental note of that and ooh I see that Donald never knows his lines okay good let me memorize that so you kind of come to the set and get the feel of everything so then when you when you're all of a sudden

because like I said before it's such a bizarre job to be like, hey, everyone, nice to meet you. I know you guys have been working together for five years. I'm the boss this week. You know, it's such a weird way to create stuff, but it is kind of how it works. A little trivia for you.

Do you know who John Putch's mother is? John Putch's mother is Gene Stapleton, who was Edith Bunker on the classic show All in the Family. Those what a days! And you knew who you made! I can't hit that. No. Men were men and girls are...

No, no. Men with men and... We should lose another Humphrey Hoover again. Herbert Hoover again. Didn't I know about it. Everybody pulled his way. Gee, our old LaSalle worked great. Those water days.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry for your ears. She was a fantastic actress. Yes. And John Putsch's... mother. A little bit of trivia for you.

I'll say this. When John came in, it felt like he was already... He really blended in very well with us. I think that's why he came back for so many more. He was also very fast. Yeah, that was another thing he was. He totally, like, he got the show and he got us also.

Yeah. Zach, have you guys ever worked together other than... We text sometimes and we shoot the shit. He listens to the podcast. So, hi, John. Thank you for listening. What up, John? And we'll have him on. I told him have them on when the time comes. I would love to have him on the show. If we really keep this thing going for five seasons. He's directed

so much television as well. We had Michael Spiller on who's directed quite a bit of television. John Pudge is another person who is, you know, who is, who is a well-season director. Yeah. I don't know what he's directing now. I'll look it up. Well, nobody's directing anything right now. Well, I'm saying

pre-quarant-tizzle. He was doing some, I think it was American Housewife, I believe. Oh, great. Yeah, Dietrich Bader. Love that guy. You have another question for us? Yeah, absolutely. So I think Scrubs means a lot to me because it was one of the first times I saw a show reflect a part of me that isn't just very outward facing. I grew up and I had epilepsy and there's an episode where Dr. Cox treats a patient who has epilepsy and I believe the conceit is she doesn't want to take her medicine or isn't taking her medicine because she, she's struggles with letting the epilepsy define her and prevent her from being a normal teenage

girl. And I was younger than her when I was dealing a lot with it. But it was the first time I really remember seeing a part of myself on a TV show and feeling like, wow, that's very core to my identity. So for both of you, when was the first time, you know, either of you saw yourself reflected in that way, if ever? Good question. You go first, Donald. You mean in television shows when we were growing up, or is that what you mean? Yeah, I mean, it could be growing up. It could have, you know, been a while and it could be more present day, whatever.

Well, I was, I looked at it, I looked, okay, so I look at it a little bit different. I didn't see myself in a lot of, in a lot of television growing up, mainly because there weren't a lot of African American people on television. You know what I mean? So seeing somebody who was like me was very hard to come by, you know, people said I looked like Todd Bridges when I was a kid, but I had nothing in common really with what Willis and Arnold went through

in different strokes. It wasn't until a different world came out. And I was in, I was, I guess it was my freshman year in high school. And Duane Wayne, Dwayne, Wayne came on television, played by Cadeem Hardison. And he was the one that had the flip-up glasses. And he was so in love with Denise from the Cosby Show, Lisa Bonnet.

He was so in love with that character. and I felt like that's who I I'm that guy that's he had a bunch of energy he was really charismatic and girls looked at him not necessarily as the hot guy they looked at him as the friend and I was drawn to Dwayne Wayne so much so that I bought the glasses you did you wore the flip-up glasses I would wear the flip-up now remember I went to the professional children's school so there's me and maybe three other black kids and the four of the black kids in the school or in my in the upper school at the time in the high school at the time and so are you all wearing them are you no i would wear the glasses

and i'm sure these guys were like this motherfucker came up in here with the fucking duane wayne it's a funnier story if they're all if you're all four if you're walking around wearing them yeah anyway so dwayne wane cademe hardison when he showed up he had such an impact on my life because I felt like I was looking at myself that he was at one point he was one of my favorite actors in the world so if he was in a movie like white men can't jump vampire in Brooklyn

school days the list goes on he was in quite a few things when I was younger I would gravitate towards his character as the best character character in those projects I was really drawn to Anthony Michael Hall I was just thinking you know

everything he played when he was young was how I felt. I felt like this sort of nerdy kid who could make people laugh and was, you know, I made friends by being a class clown, you know. And so a lot of the parts, whether it was, you know, weird science or 16 candles or breakfast club, I really related to him in those movies. I really wanted to be Ferris Bueller more than anything. Like when I saw Ferris Bueller's day off, I was like, man, I wish I was that cool.

Like, I wanted to be Ferris. And John Cusack in Say Anything. I wanted to be him. All of those movies are big parts of my, are big parts of my youth. Yeah, me too. Say anything, freaking 16 candles, weird science. You know, the list goes on. All those John Hughes movies were huge for me.

The only problem I had with them was that there were no black people in it. Right. You know what I mean? But those movies like, you know, a lot of the music that a lot of the songs, I didn't even know all of the words to the songs, but I knew, you know, when Lloyd did, you should, uh, what's the song that he did, uh, stop, wait a minute. You should let me love you. Yeah, is that what that is?

You should let me, no, no, that's a little, that's a Mario. These just, da, but these just ain't words that I'm spitting. I knew that he sampled. I know this must be true. Right, much is true. And he goes, bah, ba, she's fun, but I want you. And nobody knew what that shit was from,

but because of my love of all of these John Hughes movies and stuff, I knew where they sampled that from. I used to learn. It's called you. Huh? It's called you. It's from 2006. Yeah, I remember that one.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. do you have another one do you have another one another one another one another one do have another one um so zach got a lot of flack for having not seen remember the titans up until a couple weeks ago so i've been thinking a lot about some of zack's filmography don't know you have some kids have you seen chicken little yes okay i went to the premier chicken little did you really A lot of people will be surprised, Devin. They don't know that I'm the voice of Chicken Little. Here's a thing.

Here's the thing, Devin. You can name pretty much any movie Zach's been in. I've seen it. That's not true. Okay. What's the one you did with Michael Weston? We've spoken about this. The last kiss.

You liked that one. No, there's another one that you two did together. Way before you were ever dating. Oh, getting to know you. Who was the other? Who was the other? Heather Matarazzo? Yeah, she was in that.

I've seen that movie. uh he also he also did a movie called the broken hearts club yeah broken hearts club seen that movie seen that movie uh he also did uh look we could go down his whole resume i promise you i've seen everything i didn't read garden state but i'm not a strong reader i did read i did i did uh i did did you see going in style what i guess i've seen you didn't watch going in style for real i've watched I've now watched Going in style. I did not see it in the theaters, though. Oh, that's fucked up, dude.

No, it's not. It's the truth, though. That's my first big studio movie I directed, and you didn't go see it in the theater? No, your first big movie you directed was Garden State. No, I'm saying it was my first and only so far studio movie I've directed it, and I directed these three living legends. You couldn't fucking find the time to go to the theater? See, this is what I'm talking about.

Devin, you just started some fucking beef. I've seen the movie, though. Yeah, because you fucking rented it. I mean, if you're my best friend, you think. They're still, fucking ticking the kids. Do you want me to start naming my movies and what movies you've watched? I know your movies. So they shut the fuck up with this crap, dude.

Nobody wants to hear. I'm blowing out the mic. That's how loud I'm getting right now. Let me turn it down a little bit. Do you want to start this shit? Do you really want to start this shit? Do you want to start this shit about how I've not seen going in style in theaters? I can name movie after movie after movie that I've been in that you've never seen in your life, dude.

I've seen them. I saw juice in the theater. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. No, you did it. You did not see Juice in the theater. I did. Although it's cheating, it was in a screening room at the Rebecca Film Center.

I was an intern there, and they invited me to see Juice. And I quite liked it. You're full of shit, dude. You know, I know you're full of shit. I was in high school. I was a freshman. I was ninth grade when Juice came out. Oh, no, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. So shut the fuck up. No, but can I defend myself? I was thinking of fresh. Are you in Fresh? I'm not in Fresh. Oh, Fresh is good. Fresh is good.

Have you guys seen Fresh? It's a very underrated movie. Dude, Fresh is very good. Directed by Boaz Yaquine, who also directed Remember the Titans, dude. Never seen that. Joelle, have you seen Fresh? No. Very good.

I want our listeners to go see Fresh. Directed by Boaz Yaquine, who also directed Remember the Titans. Now, was that Boaz's first film? I think it may have been. I think Price Above Ruby's was his first. It's one of those. It's either that one or, I think one of those. He's really a talented guy.

He's very talented. What is he made lately? Has he made anything lately that's? He's written a lot of the hostels. He wrote a lot of the dusk till dawns. Like he's changed it up a little bit. He's more, more of that time. He switched it up a little bit.

He's more comic book. Got it. Horror now. Well, Devin, thank you for starting this fight. We've got to get caught. No, it's all right. I know you had good intentions and you were trying to make me, you were trying to throw me under the bus. You know what?

I know what you were trying to do, but you fucked up, Devin. Devin, I was going to send you a message from one of those guys, but now you don't get it. Now it's over. I don't even know what their names are, but you were going to get one from... No, GTs, kombucha for you, Devin. No, no GTs. He's been banned. All right, buddy, thank you for coming on.

Thank you, brother. Thank you both so much. Bye. Donald, you know what I laugh at this whole bit with you giving Judy a bus pass? Did I say bus pass? That was very funny. Did I say not just a nurse? Right.

I love the fact that that's where Turk is. He's that invested in his relationship, that he's like, I know my girlfriend could be doing so much better than she is right now. And if I'm in the way, I want to get out of the way and help her achieve whatever it is that she wants to achieve. And, you know, being Turk, he just says it wrong. You know, I don't want you, I want you to feel like more than just the nerds. just a nurse did i say just a nurse well he means well he means well but he keeps putting his foot in his mouth and she's like you know and she's saying i love my my job i love what i do why why are people

making i'm sure a lot of nurses i would imagine feel this like it's such an honor to be a nurse it's so hard to become a nurse and someone's like saying you know it's something with the attitude of you're just a nurse they're like what how fucking dare you do you see you know carla's like do you see the pride that i have in what i do and uh and i and i really like that i thought she she was really good in this episode. Oh, she crush it. Well, she, you know, Judy crushes every episode. Elliot acknowledges J.D.'s staring off into space.

Yeah, she does. There's a funny moment where she says, you're always staring off to space, and I start to start, and then I go, I don't stare off into space like this, and then I go right into staring off into space. That was funny. Yeah, that's, but, yeah, I mean, I don't, how does, how does one get away with daydreaming in front of someone?

when they're talking, well, like you're doing right now. Well, it's exaggerated for this show, but, you know, we're all doing that. How many times are you talking to someone, you see them staring off, and then you go, hello, like you kind of wave your hand in front of their face, like, I mean... I do it to my wife all the time, where my wife is talking to me and I'm just not there. Yeah. And she'll be like, did you hear what I said? And I'll be like, repeat what I said.

And I'll just repeat what the last thing I remember her saying. Right. But you were still zoned out. I was not there listening. I laughed out loud when Kelso goes, it's not because I got the name Johnny tattooed on my butt. He's an old sailor buddy, and if you knew what we went through, you'd understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We should talk about the bungee jumping thing, which we've mentioned on this podcast before, but two things. I noticed this time that you can clearly see that Sarah and I are safety lines to the bridge and aren't going anywhere from this bungee jump. If you pause it, you'll see that there's a stunt line that ties us to the bridge, so we're not going to accidentally fall off. And then you can also see my mic. Right under my collar, there's a big, there's a big puffy thing that's my microphone.

So there's two, a little annoying wiki scrubs wiki things. Yeah. And so we didn't do this jump. And the two stunt people who did it met this day and then got married. They fell in love in this moment when they jumped off the bridge together. And are no longer married now. Yeah. Now we learn the sad part of the story that they got divorced.

But, you know, it is pretty romantic that they met this way, at least. married for a little while. Yeah, absolutely. You know, just to go back a little bit, I really thought that was really great of Elliot. You know, she's always being rescued in these shows by you. You're always, you know what I mean? And this is the one time where your, I told you so, backfires on you. And, and, yeah, she definitely, you know, razzes you a little bit for it. But in the end, she's such a good friend. She's like, you know, we all need to, it's just like I was saying from the beginning when I did the recap, we all need to take chances, is what Elliot's saying. And here's one that, here's one that's perfect for us. This is going to scare the shit out of you. We're going to jump

off of a bridge together, but I'll be there with you. I think that's, I think it's an important life lesson that the show tells people is the importance of not just sitting on the stands of getting on the court, as they say, and participating and playing big. And these are a lot of life lessons my father used to give me about being brave and making bold choices and swinging for the fences and asking the question you're positive, someone's going to say no to, but like just going for it, putting yourself out there over and over and over again and reaping the rewards when you very often get good results from it. Yeah, and JD's not of that, you know, when we start off, JD's a let's wait and see type of person and uh it's true you know let's wait and see only gets you to

seeing what happens it doesn't necessarily make it so that you're in control of anything that happens and certainly not nothing exciting and new is going to happen that way nothing that's going to change your life is going you can't just sit back and wait for life to happen to you you have to um seize the day carpe die carpe diem as they as they say in dead poet society yeah Seize the day. Oh, captain my captain. I wanted to point out lastly that I was surprised to know this far in. It's very clear that Cox is still pining for Carlo.

You think so? Oh, yeah, dude. He doesn't go with Heather Locklear's character, even though Heather Locklear is literally hitting on him and he's single and she's single and she's sitting provocatively on the front of his car and he doesn't go with her. And then you see him kind of staring at Judy and being like, you know, I think it's pretty clear to me, and my interpretation was that he's still sort of pining over her. And when she talks about her love for you, he then has a second thought about it.

I don't think so. I think I disagree. I think he, I'm sure there are still feelings for Carla. Cox still has feelings for Carla But I think he's put him aside Because even at the dinner when she's like I love the fact that I'm at this dinner right now My boyfriend's trying to eat his weight and meat

He's bought his best friend with him This you know And Dr. Cox wants something that's not on the menu Wants to eat something that's not on the menu Something like that And she's talking about Heather And then he turns around and he's like what He's because he wasn't paying attention

He was staring at Heather Lock I don't that wasn't my interpretation my interpretation is that he's uh he goes and has a heart to heart with her in when you're lying on the bed because your stomach hurts in the hospital um they have like a bit of a heart to heart and you're talking about how much you you she she's talking about how much she loves you and then he yeah but i think he looks sad for a minute like like if you look at 2237 he's got this sad look on his face that to me reads um i really need to let this go this woman's in love with Turk. I don't know why I'm still pining for her. Fuck it. I'm going to go meet Heather at the bar and maybe have a one-night stand. Who

knows? But I have to start moving on. I didn't say it as that. I saw it as a friend who we could dead this after this, but I saw it as a friend who listened to what was said. Turk went ahead and tried to get her involved in a program that would grant her more power at the hospital and Cox is like dude why don't you fucking take your boyfriend up on that offer he's that's a you'd crush that shit you'd be really good at it

and she's like of course I'd be good at it I know I'd be good at it I'm the you know I'd take pride in my job and the time that would be needed for me to crush all of this would be time away from Turk and I don't want to I don't want time away from Turk

well it's up for interpretation And if you're listening to this, you probably have your own opinion. Or if you don't remember, you can go back and check it out. That's it. Thank you for listening, everybody. Don't forget to get the ringtones because everybody needs a ringtone. Everyone needs Donald going as your notification. That right there is what I'm talking about.

Yes. Another one. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Another one. We could just, Donald and I could just make. make up notification ideas for people's phones all day long. We should put this out there.

Do you want, that's what I'm talking about as a ringtone. That's what I'm talking about, and you know what I mean, as a ringtone. Imagine your phone going, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? We're just going to keep putting out ringtones, you know? Or imagine your phone going, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

That's what I'm talking about. Okay. How could that not get annoying? Yeah. annoying in a good way um thank you everybody for listening uh we love you we appreciate you you can try and ask a question by emailing joel at scrubs eye heart at gmail dot com uh joel is very popular on there i imagine joel people try and try and bribe you like the pharmaceutical reps they say let me buy you sushi i've had three proposals so

there you go it's very popping oh yeah well when's the last time you had sushi speaking sushi. I had sushi two nights ago. How did you do that? How did you do that? Postmates. You don't like, y'all like warm sushi? It doesn't come warm? No, it doesn't come warm. Dano, you agree with this? I mean, I'll say this. I'm very lucky.

I live very close to a sugarfish. So I'm more or less walking distance. Oh, so you could just get that box. Yeah, just get that box. Get that box. All right, guys, we love you. Be safe. We're a mask. Be kind. Donald, count us in. Can we count us out?

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