Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - ANNA KONKLE Got Caught In A Camping Tornado

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

This week on the pod, Seth and Josh welcome Anna Konkle! Anna talks all about growing up between Vermont and Scituate, Massachusetts, meeting her PEN15 creative partner Maya Erskine in an experimental theater program in Amsterdam, stories from her family’s annual Vermont camping week, communal dinners, lake traditions, a delivered RV, and a terrifying storm that traumatized her daughter.Anna also opens up about her parents’ divorce, their unusual house-sharing arrangement, a father-daughter Carnival cruise to the Bahamas that ended in an unforgettable sunburn, and the complicated relationship she later rebuilt with her father while caring for him during cancer. Plus, she discusses her memoir The Sane One! Support our sponsors: Article:Article is offering our listeners $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. To claim, visit https://www.article.com/discount/trips and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout.Butcherbox:New listeners can get their choice between free Sirloin Tips, Ground Beef or Chicken Wings in every box for LIFE, PLUS $20 off when you go to https://ButcherBox.com/trips and free shipping alwaysQuinceRefresh your everyday with luxury you'll actually use. Head to https://Quince.com/trips for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Shopify:Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at https://SHOPIFY.COM/tripsHims:For simple, online access to personalized and affordable care for Hair Loss, ED, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://Hims dot com/TRIPSFeatured products include compounded drug products, which the FDA does not approve or verify for safety, effectiveness, or quality. Prescription required. See website for full details, restrictions, and important safety information. Individual results may vary. Based on studies of topical and oral minoxidil and finasteride. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, buddy. Hey, Suv, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Orsay, there's a family trip afoot in our family, but it's not either of us. No, I know. The videos are great. Yeah.

Dad's sending a lot of content. Dad is sending videos like he's a TikToker who is making travel content. Yeah, they're currently in Morocco. Yeah. Yeah. And the videos are like, it's always the two of them, kind of their heads together. Yeah. And he sings a song.

It's a very sort of a mumble song about where they are and what they're doing. I do applaud them because he's doing it at a volume that wouldn't disturb anyone else that was walking by. It does seem to be disturbing mom a little. It does. Mom looks a little bit. bit like a hostage in these videos. I feel like it seems like she got cast in an ultra low budge sag picture and she's sort of a Meryl Streep and she's wondering, wait, how did I end up here?

How did I end up here? She's not happy with her agent is what you're saying. Yeah. She's very much like. Well, it happens to be dad. Right. She's like, wait, how should not I have had to agree to this? Yeah.

And yeah, so, you know, just shout out to mom who's gutting it out. I don't know how much of a choice she's getting. But yeah, I'm very excited. I almost feel like we should just have them on the pod to talk to them about. I mean, they're on such an adventure right now. Yeah, I mean, they're going to be there. They're going to Gibraltar. They're going somewhere else in Morocco.

And then I feel like they're going to Spain, Portugal. They're doing it up. They're doing it up. They're living their life. They're living their life. and God bless them, very happy for them. By the time you listen to this, I will have done stand up in Denver and Albuquerque.

Going to drive from Denver to Albuquerque. I think I've told you that. It's like a six-hour drive. Google Maps did it real quick, and it's like, hey, it's either left, middle, right, okay? Yeah, like three. And so I say to my in-laws, I assume, you know, they're from Albuquerque,

they've maybe done that drive. I go, hey, which one of these is the prettiest? And Tom says, well, I think there's just one way to go. And I'm like, no, there's three. And he's like, I've only heard about the one. I'm like, never mind. Like, immediately I'm like, I want to talk to him. I don't want to talk about it anymore.

And then he's like, well, I can ask around. I'm like, don't ask around. Like, I'm just like, I thought you knew. And now it's it. And so then, also, he puts his daughter. He puts Alexi on this text chain. He literally sends, he goes, I asked around, and he sent me, like, directions.

Like, literally at some point, it's like, turn right. I'm like, I'm not going to read. When you see, and it's like, also I think he wrote it for like, it's like a three-day vacation. It's like, then you can stop here. There's a really beautiful. I'm like, it's just which was the prettiest drive? Yeah.

And never mind. Yeah. With that said, I think I'm going to ask him to, go to Santa Fe and put our name in at a restaurant like an hour before we get there, so I don't want to be too hard on them. Oh, that's right. They're there.

They're back there. Yeah, they're there. So they'll come to the show. You're going to see all them. I really stepped on a rake and booked this stand at a bad time. Right before Mother's Day. Yeah. But I think we're going to survive.

We're going to survive it. Speaking of Mothers, we made an error on a previous episode. We were just talking, I just, I think it was me. And just out of hand, I said Marblehead, New Hampshire. Oh. And you didn't correct me. I think that's how it went.

And we were just, yeah. So, of course, Marblehead is Massachusetts. Have you been seeing the Marblehead content that's been out in the world this week? No. Genuine, it's really great. There's, I guess it's about affordable housing in Marblehead. And a law was passed that they have to build it. And there's been, it's like kind of.

tearing the town apart a little bit. But it went viral because there's just like a fucking fantastic Boston guy at the town meeting who's like, I guess my question here is, are we just kind of being pricks? And it's really, he's just really great because he's very sweet, but then he also has that, you know, very authentic New England thing. Yeah. I highly recommend watching it. Yeah.

Yeah. It's also good policy. to consider sometimes your stance on public issues. Yeah. You know, just maybe ask yourself that. Like, are we just being pricks? Well, he then did an interview where, and again, I would, you know, you and I were lucky enough to go to that incredibly beautiful city.

And his point is like, we're the luckiest people in the world that we get to live here. So let's not be pricks about it. Yeah. It's kind of like, it's a very densely, it's like one of the most densely populated towns. Yeah, I think that's one of the issues with housing. But I don't want to speak as an expert on the issue because I've really just watched the Pricks clip. Yeah, I also, yeah, I'm just going to say that I know it's in Massachusetts

and it was our failing. And when mom hears that episode, she's going to bump for her. Yeah. Probably not as much as it'll bummer out that she has to do like 12 more song videos. With that. The songs are like, their dad's describing where they are, and he's kind of mumble singing and then mom kind of like joins him like she's trying to say the same words he's saying but she doesn't know what he's about to say yeah it's that thing of like when you're talking and someone just starts doing the same words you to annoy you yeah but he'll be like we're in morocco and we're at a market and they have rugs and they have all textiles and he's just yeah and she's supposed to be going like And it's hard, because she's got to sing along with them

and also, you know, it's hard to focus when you've got like the butt end of a snub-nosed, you know, pistol in your back. Do the video. Do the video for the boys. We'll have to play. We'll cut together a highlight of all their hit songs. Yeah, we might have to get approval from mom's,

from mom. Her agent's gonna sign off on it. How well, her agents already didn't. dirty by booking around this gig. Yeah, so I'm trying to think of what else is going on. I might have some interesting travel coming up that I'm excited to share. Oh, yeah, I definitely. I'm no way.

I do too. Yeah. That's great. So that's good. That's good for us. That's good for, you know, staying very much on theme. Yeah. With the pod.

You know what? It's interesting when we have this podcast. I just did a pre-interview for something and they were like, if you had to go on a family trip with these eight people, what way? I'm like, oh, right, now that I have a family trip podcast,

I have to be like, I can't be like, what? I don't know. I don't know. Don't ask me that question. Who do you think I am? Oh, the host of family trips.

Right, right, right, right. Awesome. Well, this is a very fun episode. Anna Conchle. She's the best. Enjoy it. And you know her from Penn 15. Yep.

And she's got a great. how she really burst onto the scene. But yeah, highly recommend. Thanks for listening, everybody. Love you, Pashi. Love you, too, Suvie. Family Chips, brothers, chips.

Yeah. I am fine. How are you? I'm good. It's been a while. It's so lovely to see you. You too. You, I was just thinking back on you were Maya and I's first late-night experience.

I was so scared. And you were so nice. I'm so happy. He is so nice. We do get a lot of first. Being the late show, you get a lot of first-time talk show guests, and I take their responsibility very seriously. Well, we thank you. Made a big difference.

I did not realize that you and Maya, is it true that you met in Amsterdam? We did. We did meet in Amsterdam. It was like an experimental theater workshop for two months, and it was great. I did mushrooms for the first time. That's also a thing we did for the first time. Also in Amsterdam. How do you pitch to your parents that you're going to go for a two-month experimental theater workshop and sell that through?

It's a fantastic question. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the issue really began wanting to go to NYU for theater and it was super expensive. Loans, we all got a ton of loans. And then I, many of us at Tisch figured out how to graduate a semester early, so that helped. But the real clincher, to be honest, was I got one line in a subway commercial. That was a national commercial. Thank you very much.

Do you remember your line? Sure. Wait, was that your line? Yeah, I just did it. Yeah, no, I got it. I got it. I mean, I was thinking like, yeah, that's footlong. Yeah, it was the kind of flow of the commercial was like a little boy, I'm sure you wanted to know this, being like, can I have, can I go to the park?

Can I go bungee jumping? And the dad's like, no, no. Can I get honey mustard and pickles? Sure. I was the subway artist, the sandwich artist, as they say. And I made a fair amount of money. And so that's how I got to go to the Amsterdam program. to be honest.

So wait, how old were you when you got that subway head? I was, I think I was 19. But I had been auditioning in Boston because we moved, I'm from Vermont originally, and we moved to Massachusetts. But, yeah, I'd been auditioning in Boston for commercials since I was like 10 and never got one. So the subway commercial was finally, I'd earned it at that point. It's really impressive that you kind of stuck with wanting to be in the performing arts. It's like I always want, you know, we don't talk about like the 10-year-olds who like are just met with disappointment for years and years.

And like don't take it as a sign that it's not to be. Yeah, there aren't a lot of us left, I don't think. Yeah. You had to be like a certain brand of delusional. No, it's so funny. You guys performed, right? Yeah, but we never like auditioned for stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I'll say I've booked one commercial in my life and I, you know, I go out from them all the time and you keep, they keep you coming back. Keep you coming back to 200 South Lebray, man, oh, man. Yeah. Oh, God, that waiting room. Yeah. That, I will say, like, there's an interesting thing of, like, being in a commercial, because, again, I audition for commercials.

I'm not saying I didn't. When I was in Chicago, like, in my improv days. But, like, being in a commercial waiting room, you look around and you're like, oh, it could really, this could just could be any of us. Yeah. Yeah. Like, when you go to an audition for, like, a role in a TV show or a play, you're like, one of us will be better than the others.

But this is just, like, this just might be about. our face. Yeah. There's also more opportunity for scamming. Like my dad was living in Florida, and he was probably in his 60s at this point. And he called me one day. He had like a really deep voice and always wanted to be on the radio and wasn't. And was like, I got scouted today. This person said that I would be, you know, amazing in Walmart commercials. And it cost $8,000. And I just remember being so upset. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is also that you are in the awful position of having to tell your dad you actually would not be good in a Walmart commercial. There's two things.

One, they would not tell you in whatever parking lot this person found you. Also, to be typecast just in Walmart commercials. Yeah, that's what you'd be good for. Like passive-aggressive or something? I was like, did you do something to that person? So what year did you go to, at what year in college did you do your Amsterdam trip? It was my junior year of college. and I had started in freshman year.

I'd been in the musical theater program and very straight-laced. And the rumor about the experimental theater kids was that they were all naked and having orgies all the time. And I was like, I will not waste my parents' money doing that. And eventually, I realized that was the place for me. And they weren't having orgies as far as I knew that I wasn't invited.

But, yeah. We're actually good on numbers. Yeah, like we feel like the orgy is at like capacity. I like the idea that it's orgies also like multiple plural. That's the official term. That's more than one orgy. Yeah, orgies. I wasn't a part of any of the orgies, but there's still time.

So you're Vermont. We're in New Hampshire boys, so we obviously got a lot of love from Vermont. where's Randolph, Vermont? Randolph is not too far from Montpelier. That's where I was born, but I lived in Montpelier before. Gotcha. We moved to Massachusetts. Did you spend much time in Vermont?

Did you guys ever do? No, we had that real life. We would ski. We would ski a lot. That's true. Yeah. And my wife went to UVM, so I went to Burlington just once with her, but it was like a 4th of July. maybe about 10 years ago now.

And it was great. I couldn't believe I had never been there. It's so beautiful. It's so amazing. And like our grandmother lived in Marblehead closer to where you would end up. And so we just sort of went there. Like we were always going to the Massachusetts coast. To Massachusetts.

That's interesting. Do you think that like it was sort of New Hampshire versus Vermont? I felt like that sometimes that you had to kind of choose. I certainly don't know if you had to choose, but I was made to feel as though we were the dirt baggy of the two options. Well, that's not what I was going to say. No, that's what I wanted to say. I didn't think that that was where you were heading, but I do want to say that that was the way other people from Vermont, not you. Right, not me.

I would never. I mean, I remember a bear rescue. Like, we would go to Concord, Vermont, and there was a bear rescue nearby in, I mean, sorry, Concord, New Hampshire. Okay. When you said you were going to a bear rescue. Bear rescue, I thought that's what everybody does when they have to, like, rescue a bear. Like, I don't know why I thought, but, like, I was like, we all, it was like they, the sheriff rounded up a posse. There was a bear who was losing its grip on the side of a branch.

Yeah. Do you guys ever go to the bear rescue? No. It's not like a big thing. I mean, we went to Clark's trained bears, but I don't think that was a bear rescue. That was a bears being exploited for entertainment purposes. That was like a bear riding a bicycle and drinking a beer, that kind of stuff. Is that where you were going?

I don't think so. I just remember outdoor cages. Okay. You know, and like feeding them little bear pellets. I don't recall. I would have been into that, I think. Okay. I think that the Clark's train bears people probably went to the bear rescue, and that's

where they got the bears that they were going to. later exploiting. They were like, do you have any that ride bikes? Yeah. Wait, were they really riding bikes? Yeah. Oh. Yeah.

And they were like chained, like on a chain collar, like a changed leash kind of thing. They were within a caged area. They weren't the biggest bears. Oh, good. I don't, do you remember them being chained, posh? I don't know. I think they probably were. Yeah.

And I don't know. I don't remember any human. So maybe it was a fully run bear operation. Yeah. You mean everything? Like, did a bear take tickets? Do you remember that? I don't recall.

I don't remember any people. All I remember is the bears. I just remember putting my money on the table and a paw sliding back. With two tickets. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support comes from article. Hey, Bashi. Hey, Sufi.

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Fair. Yeah. Fair. A lot of people pronounce it. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah. Are those people wrong? No, no, you're right. Cituit's correct. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, Situate was an interest. It was like a big change going from hippie, Montpelier, Vermont, Burlington. Another shout out to UVM to South Shore, like Irish Catholic, Waspie, as you, as you know, is visiting Massachusetts a lot. Yeah. And how old were you when you made the move to Situate? I was seven and yeah, almost eight. But all our family friends sort of remained. That was like our social circle still in Vermont. So we went. Our main vacations actually were going camping every summer for a week with like 10 other families in Vermont or going to my grandparents' retirement community in Fort Lauderdale. All right. So as a kid, which did you look forward to more? camping.

Yeah. Oh, that's good. Which sounds mean to my grandparents. No, I think it makes you a more interesting kid, no shade to your grandparents or any grandparents, Florida. But I think a kid who prefers camping over it. Because I think there's some kids who are like, oh my God, they had a soda machine. Right. They were shuffleboard.

But camping is what you want your kids to want to do. Yeah. And my grandparents were the type, maybe being East Coasters, it was the same, where, like, kids are meant to be seen and not. heard. Yes. That was certainly, I feel like our grandparents were like that a little bit, but our parents weren't. No, parents, no.

But my grandparents. And camping was amazing because it was on a lake and there was, it wasn't full-blown camping. It was like there was a snack bar by the lake and still showers. I did get my, I got, and it was in slushy form. Oh, there you go. A Coke slushy by the lake. There's nothing. And would you go to the same place every year with the same 10 families?

Yeah. And they've been doing it for 40 years. And now it's kind of set up as like a little commune where there's a huge kind of event tent in the middle. That's a kitchen and has like 10 picnic tables. I mean, it's kind of crazy. How do 10 families stay friends for 40 years? It's unheard of. It is.

I mean, really mostly seeing each other during that week in the summer. So not seeing each other. Like you're right. no time for feuds to percolate if you don't see each other the other 51 weeks of the year. Although I will say in the zoom out of growing up, because as a kid, you're just like, oh, everyone's the same. There's no issues. I mean, everyone's still quite close.

But, like, I have since learned that the adult, certain adults started businesses together. Oh, right. And that started and ended. And so it is actually quite impressive. But from my standpoint, yeah, we didn't. we weren't we weren't around enough to get infused i wonder if you're like one of the ten families and you hear that like two or three of the other families are going into business together you must be like dudes we got a good thing going here just go start your businesses with somebody we don't

spend our one week together right that we don't need this time with i mean there are a lot of yeah a lot of hippies a lot of crystals and energy work and people who shouldn't be doing chiropractic work because they're not certified doing that on the grass to each other do you know what i mean do you were Did you sort of look askance at that sort of stuff as a kid, like the crystal hippie thing, or were you kind of bought in? At the time, it embarrassed me, certainly. And moving to Massachusetts, you know, where I started to realize how weird it was. Yeah. And that it freaked my friends out when they came over that my mom would be like, oh, you hurt your ankle.

Come here. And then, you know, kind of float her hands over my friend's ankle. And then they would leave. They're Catholic. They're like, this is wrong. Yeah. So. So.

So. Could you hear them telling their friends about it in a Boston accent? Like the fact that your mom put, really? Just put a fucking rock on my fucking ankle. Really, they just stopped talking to you. So you actually don't hear the accent. But I didn't really start like fun, long vacations until or out, you know, out of that little pocket until after college, after Amsterdam, young adult world. then I started like more travel.

Did you, wait, how did those 10 families select themselves? Were they just sort of like friends in Vermont? Yeah, they, as far as I understand it, it started with three families, one of them being my parents. And it just sort of organically grew to around 10. And sometimes it's 11 or nine or whatever, but it's been quite consistent. and people just block out the same week every year in their calendar. And you still do it? Yeah.

Amazing. And how many kids were there that were like your age that you've grown up with now? They're probably eight. Wow. And now we have kids and they all are, you know, getting to have this. And it's very, it's not changed much, which is pretty amazing to have in the world. I'm just bracing myself for one year for it to be completely different, but it's pretty special. And our daughter is getting this really neat experience because we live in L.A.

And so, you know, the first time we went, I think she was one. And she just, we weren't like, don't cross the street. Don't go that. You know, we were just, she was just running in the grass. And it kind of broke my heart how novel that was to her. So how is she old enough now to look forward to it? She is, yeah, she loves it, although we almost ruined the experience because one year, one of the first years we went, there was a big thunderstorm, which there always is. And I was sort of on my high horse about it because my partner, who's from Malibu, was very nervous about the thunderstorms.

And I was like, this is just how camping is. Like, it's fine. You just stay in your tent or your RV or whatever, and you're all good. while the like pavilion event tent that all the families had invested in, it was the thunder and the lightning and the rain started, and then it started to hail. And then there was a mini tornado. And it lifted the tent up, like the huge event tent. And it was like, war.

I mean, people, my mom was singing to make our daughter not sad and crying. rain rain go away a a like in her face and she our daughter had PTSD truly for

she'd hear a fan she'd hear oh my god it ruined the rest of our East Coast vacation and for actually a year of or so after that loud sounds like the toilet flushing

like we're not we're not a go she was back and she's like I'm back in the pavilion yeah Yeah, where Nana screamed in my face. Non-professionals trying to keep a tarp from blowing away is pure like Benny Hill comedy. Also, like a movie about a natural disaster sort of storm coming through, an older woman singing, rain, rain, go away.

That feels like it's in the trailer. Yeah, very much. That's so true. That's so true. Were you all sleeping in tents or are there cabins? on this property? They are, there are a lot of tents. I have, I'm one of the sheepish ones that uses an RV now, which I said I would never do

when I was younger. But to fly across the country and then to set up our tent, we tried that. It didn't work. So it's embarrassing. We get like an RV delivered to the site. And I'm sure all of the Vermonters are like, we totally support you. and are so judging, but they haven't said anything. Did you send them an email in advance to be like, just in case you were worried, I have changed.

Yeah, basically. Hollywood has changed me. Basically, basically. Because we also, like, the first one I ordered was too long. Yeah. So that was embarrassing. They were like, it's 32 feet. Like, I think you can only fit 22 feet.

I'm like, absolutely, we don't need the second living room. That's great. Is it a star wagons? We're not going to have people over. We're not going to have the tent people over. We don't need the second living room. Yeah, I did. We bought actually our own Starwagon and just been traveling with that.

We leave it off the East Coast. It's also not even like they're like, we will be sleeping in RV. They're like, oh my God, you guys brought, you bought an RV? It's like, no, we have it delivered. We have it delivered. The RV people will deliver it. Feel free to talk to them. Obviously, don't talk to us.

But feel free to, you know, communicate with our RV team. It is embarrassing. Are there like game days? Are there organized events at these summer at this week long getaway? To our credit, there are not organized events. It's very much like, and maybe the other reason it works is because people kind of do their own thing during the day. It's like, who wants to hike? Who wants to bike?

I'm going to go to the lake. Don't talk to me. I'm going to meditate. Right. It's pretty boundered. But then everyone comes together for dinners, and each family takes, is this interesting? I don't even know. Okay.

Yeah. This is Josh's dream. I doubt it. Like no granular trip details is everything Josh wants. I do. It's all the devil's in the details, Sufi. Yeah, I'm with you. Okay.

Well, and then each family takes a night on the, now it's a Google Doc before it was probably memory of who cooks that night. And they cook for everybody. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And so what, I mean, what is your full number if it's 10 family? Are you cooking for 30, 40 people? Yeah. What is something you've cooked? Ooh. One year we did, as an adult, we did pasta in meatballs with garlic bread that it was hard.

Yeah. I wouldn't recommend it. Did it from scratch. Not a great idea. A really good one are taco bowls. Okay. Yeah. And just doing the end of the, individual ingredients. And then, right, like people do the construction themselves. Build it. Yeah. You know. I mean, you were a sandwich artist.

You know how it goes. It's nice to be able to start, move down. Sprinkle the lettuce. Here, I'm going to say, I'm going to ask you a question and then give your answer from the subway ad. So I'm sorry, are we just supposed to put these together ourselves? Sure. Yeah. Sold.

That's a great night. Yeah, I'll be fired. Because you're definitely not allowed over the counter. But sure. And how does Malibu Alex look forward to the trip now? Is he like, does he bought in? He's fully bought in. Oh, that's great.

And he's like very, his hippie comes out. Like, he's suddenly a communal liver. Yeah, he's in. He's a part of the little mini cult we got going on. I've had to, in what's he's. seems like a similar way to Alex. Like I had to like buy into my wife's past a lot more than she's had to buy into mine. Which is.

Just like, you know, she grew up going to Martha's Vineyard and she has this like group of friends that she's now like they're like 40 years deep. And so I'm spending a lot of time talking to husbands who also have not had four decades of the majesty of memory. That's hard. Yeah. It's okay. And fun. I'm sure. But that's different to have to like make up for 40 years.

We kind of all connect over how funny it is that they think they're living. They live the most interesting childhood. Yeah. Because it's a lot of talk in the past. Oh, my God. It's all, it's all remember this peer. But Seth didn't, Seth doesn't rent an RV. He just built a house next door to his mother-in-law, father-in-law's house.

Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah. It is beautiful. It is very beautiful. You know what wasn't beautiful? The gun to my head. To build it? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I've been advocating over here too to do a little cabin in Vermont. One day. One day. One day. So I know this from, you know, obviously Penn 15, an incredible show that was very autobiographical. And now you have a memoir where you talk about your family. And I want to get to your parents, but your parents got divorced when you were a teenager.

So logistically, who got the week on the camping trip? Like, I'm assuming both of your parents didn't come. That's a great question. Yeah, my dad bowed out. Yeah. And other, there was, like, I think one other family who got a divorce, and they split the week. Interesting. And I was pretty, it was sort of a turning point in my life and I think brought on some

angsty emo things when he was like, no, I'm not going. Gotcha. And there was this idea in his head that they had taken my mother's side. Yes. I wouldn't, well, I couldn't see that at that seed planting. Especially if you knew my, my dad. Right. Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of, a lot of like, yeah, very, everything was very black and white. But he, and, you know, the saddest part, it was that, like, it was more camping to me was more him than my mom, where he taught me to fish. He had the canoe. He made the pancakes in the morning. And then, yeah, and for a while, camping became sad because my mom would be like, I guess I'm alone here. And everyone else has a family, as a husband. And then, you know, we're fucking setting up the tents ourselves.

And it kind of blew for a bit. That is, yeah. So in a perfect world, you would have liked them to split the week as well. That would have been nice. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, we did split. And I have a funny vacation memory.

was our house. We split the house for two years while they waited for the judge to make a decision of who is going to get the house. Oh, my God. So what was the, was there like a condo? Did they also like split another location? Well, for the, I mean, at work. Like for the two years. So they stayed in the house. Sorry, sorry. Yes. That is important. They didn't split time. They didn't split time. They split the house. Wow. They split the house. Yeah. And I have this. memory. So like we always, you know, went to Vermont or went to Florida for our vacations. Suddenly, my dad and mom decided to divorce, really my mom. And my dad is like, honey, we're going on a

carnival cruise to the Bahamas. Just me and him. Okay. And so, and I was thrilled, but I felt really guilty, like saying good, the act of like packing and saying goodbye to your mom who's staying in snowy Massachusetts, while you do work with the Bahamas, was a real moment. Yeah. Yeah. How was that Carnival Cruise? I mean, it was amazing. My dad didn't make me wear sunscreen.

That's amazing. I thought I was getting a tan for the first time. Did you actually get tan? Do you tan up well? Well, turns out no. Yeah. I got, yeah, I wore oil, 3 SPF. You and Josh have a very similar palette, and I know from vacations to Josh.

I have to say, I notice coming, like, Seth, you're so tan. Yeah, I tan up. I tan right up. Wow, that's such a nice thing to have. Josh and I, for all our similarities, have incredibly divergent skin pigments once they run in contact with the sun. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

I got another, I got another Moe's surgery coming for this little thing. Oh, my God. Wait, a what surgery? Mo's, it's skin cancer stuff. It's rad. Oh, no, I'm sorry. So it would be like my third. And then look at old olive boy down there.

It's just like, yeah. Just walking around, not a care in the world. But your next one's free? Which one is free? The fifth or the fourth? You get a free one? Your tenth. You got to get to ten.

Are you serious? No. No. No, we're just good. Oh, my God, I'm so earnest. Did you? He is. He is getting a surgery.

That part was real. It's just not free. But the 10th one is free. Yeah, not free. You do have to pay for the 10. This is not free. Oh, my God. Maybe it will be.

I don't know. I hope to never get there. Right. You mentioned you were excited for a carnival cruise. Do you think you were excited just based on like Carnival Cruise marketing and seeing commercials for Carnival Cruises? Like when I think back, that was a commercial you saw all the time growing up. It was like cruise commercials. I mean, yeah.

And part of it was. Truly, like, the opportunity to be hot, like, to get a tan in my mind was, like, to come back and be hot and cool, like, the girls that went to the Bahamas. Yeah, right. And, but yeah, I got a horrible, horrible sunburn. Like, my eyes puffed out, puffed out where they go under. And I was sick for, like, two days. I think that is a very, I mean, New England or anywhere, you know, I'm sure, like, the upper Midwest is the same way where you would go on vacations and you, in your head, thought there was going to be this, you know, this reveal when you walked back in,

that everyone was going to sort of take stock of how your appearance had changed based on your one week. And it felt as though you could completely recreate yourself and sort of change whatever the sort of conventional wisdom was about you based on one week. You'd be like, I'm coming back with a new hard rock t-shirt. I'm coming back with a solitary. Pookishels and a solitary cornrows. We're going to turn this thing around. That was poetry to me. Yes.

Did you, was your, was your like dad, you know, on a cruise? Was he a good hang with just father-daughter? Yeah, because he let, he was okay if, like, I sat on the other side of the beach. You know, he understood that I was trying to forge, you know, teenager dumb on the cruise. And he was, there were casinos, so he was good. Right. I was like, you know, there's a teen club that was fine for me to go to. It was real, like, freedom, you know.

Yeah. And how old were you for that to go to the? I was 14. Wow. A teen club at 14. That just seems like. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

But you're there on your own. So you, this is dependent upon you to, like, meet people and make friends. Well, that's the thing as an only child. I have a half brother, but 11 years older, same mom. And so really grew up as an only child. And you just learn to be, you know, really embarrassing. And sometimes, and you have to be willing to be humiliated over and over if you're going to make friends. And knowing, oh, I guess I'm doing thumbs up.

You thumb. I'm so sorry. By the way, a perfect, while you were saying, like, being an only child, you have to be embarrassing. You accidentally just thumbs up yourself. Fucking classic. This is just par for the course. That's literally like you met somebody at a teen club and you said something funny and then you said good one. Wait, did you just say good one to yourself?

You're like, I'm an only child, man. Yeah, that's how you find your person, your people. Because most of them are like, okay. And then every once in while someone laughs with you. And you're like, all right. Were you and Maya, had you known each other at NYU before you were in Amsterdam? No. Okay.

We didn't. I just remember there were like 25 of us. A few of us ended up kind of working in comedy as adults unexpectedly, even though it was a very kind of serious program. But yeah, I saw her do all these really great characters and was so talented. And I had more of a talent crush and was like, oh, she's so cool and good and whatever. And then, yeah, we slowly became friends more so after Amsterdam. We both were going through kind of breakups at the same time.

So there were a lot of like sleepovers and ice cream, stuff like that. I mean, it's an incredible your collaboration. It's very nice of whatever, I don't know, events had to line up to put you guys together. It's really cool. Oh, thank you. Yeah, she's awesome. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support comes from Quince.

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What was, I mean, it's not really a family vacation, but when you're over in Amsterdam, you know, you're studying, you're going to school, but what is what was your going out scene like? Or what did you do to take advantage of Amsterdam? I remember the going out being forced. Like, we were staying in dorms in Amsterdam. And so most of it, we were like theater nerds where during the day we're like just studying the craft. And then at night smoking a time.

of weed together and eating stoop waffle and it wasn't we weren't like we were cool yeah sure I think we're all getting that I think that's there's a lot of like there's a lot of great strange theater in Amsterdam would you go check that out would you yes actually we did we saw an experimental I don't know the name of the company but theater company and I remember a like bringing it back to the bears there was a dancing bear okay was And some naked people. Was it dog troop? I don't know.

I'm going to have to perhaps. So did you see theater in Amsterdam? Yeah. Do you guys go to Amsterdam? We used to work for a theater called Boom Chicago over in Amsterdam. So we lived there. I was there for three and a half years and Seth was there for like two. And I just did that.

I just did the funniest thing where I was like, I wonder if when you were in college we were. And then I remembered, I just glanced at your birthday. And I'm like, nope. It's like, yes. Not even close. Me to work on my skin care. Not even close. I don't even know why I thought that, based on my age, that you would be there.

No, fair, fair, fair. And this clown school was for eight-year-olds? Good, the clown school's coming forward. Did you guys go to Vondel Park? Yeah, very much so. Love that park. That's where I did mushrooms. Where your dorms near there?

Prince and Grocked near the Anne Frank Museum. I mean, that's not a bad look. education at all. You're central. No, it was incredible. It was, it was, it was amazing. It was really, the bikes and the, oh, I would love to live there again. We went back for a friend's 25th wedding anniversary last summer, and it was just so wonderful to be back. It's like, Seth brought his oldest son. My parents came. My wife came. Her mother came. There were like a lot of people who used to work there brought their kids. It was great. Yeah. Very, very cool and special. What did your son think of it? He loved it. He really loved it. But again, you'll find this thing where it's like they don't, you don't realize how much they loved it until they get home and you overhear them talking to somebody else about it.

It's like they can't process how much you need them, which is healthy. Like, they don't realize how much you need them to be like, Dad, this meant the world to me, dad. I'm changed, Dad. And I know you hear some shit from the outside. outside world, but you're good at this. You're a good dad. Yeah. Tune out the noise, old man.

You're good at this. It's crazy how much my daughter has traveled compared to what, you know, when I left the guy, I didn't leave the country till, yeah, 20 or something. And my dad really barely, he went to the Bahamas, but he always wanted to go to Europe. I still feel guilty that he never did that and I went. But anyway, that's a different. Well, I mean, you know, I do want to talk about, I mean, I read the excerpt in New York Magazine of your memoir, the sane one. It's beautifully written and it's very funny.

But, you know, you wrote this memoir about, you know, coming of age and your parents' divorce and you had an estrangement with your dad that near the end of his life, you, you, is it rekindled a safe enough word? I haven't read the whole book. Yeah. No, yeah. Yeah, and I got to be his caregiver for, it was supposed to be one to five years. I ended up being two months. But, yeah, he was like a very, very funny, outrageous person, hippie to his core, but who turned human resource manager for 7-Eleven with, and the bitterness just grew over time. And, yeah, he just, you know, he was really my, like, best friend as a kid.

and looked up to him, as many of us, do our dads more than anyone. And then kind of a slow burn to estrangement in my mid-20s, soon after Amsterdam, actually. And really, like, you know, there's the normal sort of parent falling off a pedestal that was there, but it was also turned up. And, yeah, we happened to exchange letters at the end of the five years. and kind of men things. But that was a lucky surprise and that it was very soon after that he got diagnosed with cancer.

So it's a real upper. It actually is funny. I swear it is. But it's sad too. Even in the chapter I read where, you know, obviously, especially for the child in this situation, right, it's a complicated relationship. But you're very, I don't know,

you're very honest about how funny they are. And I think that's like a nice thing. to remind ourselves or not forget that like even in like times that I can't even imagine how it was for you. But it does seem like there was an ability to laugh. And your dad was very capable of making you do that. Yeah. Thank you. I think that's true. And both my parents are such characters and they always were sometimes when I wish they weren't. I was like, can you guys be quiet? And can we just fit in better in Massachusetts? Like you moved us here. They're like, you know what? It is so funny to go from like,

hippie, Vermont where everything's okay. They're like, you know what, let's turn up the level of difficulty. Let's go to the most judgmental place in America. Exactly. That we can't really afford. Now we'll live paycheck to paycheck. Yeah. There was this idea of nuclear America that I think, you know, white picket fence that was in the back of their head, specifically my mom, I think, that, you know, you do it for your kids. Yeah. So they get a good education and whatever. But in the trek of that there was the sort of losing themselves I think but there's a lot of humor in it

so sign me up how was it was it hard to write or did it come was it a story that was like so much a part of your life that it came out easily there are parts that that kind of flowed but it took me four years when I first kind of

wrote the outline and some chapters and, you know, pitched it. I was six months pregnant. And then after having our daughter, I had the feeling of, never mind, I have a new family. Yeah, let's start this. Let's not look back. Yeah, why did I? Great, the contract just closed. Perfect. Yeah, but it ended up being what my therapist said it would be. She was like, it's going to be cathartic. And I was like, no, it's not going to be cathartic. This is torture. Why am I doing this? But it ended up being a really neat journey. There were a lot of kind of, there were parts that were obvious. And then there was the sussing out of, well, how did I get from A to B? How did we get from a strange to talking again? That kind of, yeah, it made obvious emotional, positive things, emotionally positive things that weren't before. And it was, it was nice, actually.

I feel like that's like a lot of people, myself included, who are so far past deadlines of when a book is due, that like, you're like, when I started, I was six months pregnant. And when I finished, my daughter was the copy editor. Basically. Yeah. They proofread it for me. That was the timeline of it. I remember people saying it, you know, my editor specifically was like, I could take you, you know, five years. And I was like, no.

Yeah. So naive. Yeah. Took me really. Right now, Seth is thinking about telling his people that he's pregnant, and that's why it's taking him so long. Well, no one can tell you or not. I don't mean to, like, diminish it at all, but I'm actually thinking, like, what if dad and I got estranged right now? No, no, diminish, please.

And then I call my editor, I'm like, something just happened that I feel like we should wait it out. I feel like this could be good for the book. Yeah. Oh, my God, that's really funny. Are you writing a memoir? I am, and it's so, uh, it's so. It's so arduous. It's so arduous.

I mean, you know. Yeah, it sucks. Are you enjoying any of it? You know, it is that the catharsis comes like when you're done. I've always said like the thing about the only thing that's good about writing is being done with it. You know, and then feeling like so much of a sense of accomplishment. So like when a good section is done, I'm like, that was worth all of it. Let's try to remember that as we go through this next section and then you're just like, fuck it.

That's fucking sucks. Can I ask, do you edit as you go, or do you, like, just get something out in a full sweep and then go back? Full sweep edit. And then I got, like, my first pass. I kind of had this sense of, like, if I got a first draft, and, like, my excellent editor would then send me notes and, like, I would feel reinvigorated. And not yet. Okay. I'm going to write a response to his.

I'm just waiting for his to come out. Yeah, Josh is going to write. Didn't happen. Yeah. My mom said that too. She was like, Alex and I, I guess we'll write a response memoir. Alex is my partner. How was your mom with knowing you were going to write a book like this?

Well, she was incredibly supportive, but will always keep saying, I'm going to move out of the universe. That's fine. I'm just going to move out of the universe. She was sort of my childhood enemy, I would say. Now we're good. Yeah. But it is big of her to be supportive because it's hard. And she's like, but it's your art.

It's your art. That is the funniest mom thing. It's your art. I'll just move out of the universe. Yeah. It's your art. Yeah, exactly. Totally.

If you're looking for me, I'll be one universe over. Yeah, writing my memoir. In fact, I called her the other day. We were chatting and said, what did you do today? And she was like writing. Great. I said poetry, because she has always written poetry. And you're like, oh, good, you're getting back to the poems.

They're really good. And she was like, no, true events. Okay. Here we go. True events is even funnier. You should try this, Anna. I'm doing true things. I know you were less interested in that with your work.

But I'm going to do true stuff. You're locked in. into her. I'm not kidding. That felt and sounded like her. Congratulations on The Sane one. Thank you. And again, I look forward to reading the whole thing, but if anybody wants to get a taste, there's an exceptional excerpt in the New York, sorry, New York Magazine. I'll make sure I get that right. Thank you. And before we let go, Anna, Josh is going to hit you with our speed round questions. Oh, okay. All right. Here we go. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideas?

ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous or educational? Adventurous. What is your favorite means of transportation? A train? If you can take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? The Bundys. Oh, my God, from married with children. Yeah.

Not Ted. Oh, not Ted. If I, to just wash. Oh, not Ted. Uncle Ted, I think Ted was their uncle. The Bundys is such a fun answer. I'm just like fly in the wall, another dysfunctional memoir. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be?

Oof. My cousin Jesse? Great. Wait, how, Jesse, where does Jesse live now? She lives near Evanston, Illinois. Oh, that's where we were born. Yeah. I know.

That's great. I loved you. I looked it up. It's fantastic. Give our best to Jesse. I will. My dad's from Glen Ellen. Oh, great.

Illinois, yeah. Anyway. Illinois. What is your dream destination for a family vacation? India. Nice. Okay. Would you consider your hometown situate?

No. Okay. What's your hometown? Montpelier, Vermont. Great. Okay. If you had to get more families to go visit Montpelier, what would you tell them about the city? Okay.

The cross-country skiing is great. The bookstores, the food, the crapes. Yeah, just to talk to people because they talk back. They're nice for the most part. Crapes is a, I would love to, I mean, I'm going to pass on cross-country skiing, but if you're like, What are we going to do this afternoon? And somebody said, we're going to do bookstores and crepes. I'd be like, oh, my God.

Well, and my dad, when he went cross-country skiing, he would bring a little thing of scotch and put it in snow and fresh snow and make little. So that, if you added that, would that be fun? That's great. That helps a lot. That helps a lot. Okay, great. Are you surprised sometimes as a parent, like, how things that you hope are going to take more of the day up don't take any time at all? Sometimes I'm like, I'll say to my kids, like, let's go to the bookstore.

And then it's literally like five minutes later. You're like, we've got to get out of the bookstore. Every day. It's, you can't believe it. Josh, I've talked about this, but I took my son to the aquarium and I was like, in my youth, I remember the aquarium being like a whole day. Yeah. Boston. Yeah.

The Boston and the New England aquariums, great aquarium. But like at 45 minutes, you're like, I think we're done. Well, I went last year not to shit on the aquarium there, but it was packed. Yeah. I was getting like the, and the maze, it's like beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. You walk up a circle.

It's gorgeous. Yeah. It's gorgeous. It was the acoustics. Like, I felt so old. I couldn't hear anything. I couldn't find my daughter. I was freaking out.

Yeah. There were a lot of teens. It felt like teens on dates at the New England Aquarium. And field trips. I think that was the issue. Yeah. Fuck the field trips. Just kidding.

But a little bit, maybe space them out more. God took a real hard stance late in the pod. Space them out. Maybe not fuck field trips, but space them out. Leave some room to walk. You know what I mean? Don't send all the kids on the same day. Not on the same day.

That's not right. Think of the penguins. Is that the note we're going to end on? That's so sad. No, no, no. Because Seth has two final questions. Well, one thing I'll say there was a thing you could put your hand in the water and stingrays.

You could pet a stingray. But you had to like, my boys are so excited, and they, like, put their hands in water. And there was, like, a lady who worked for the aquarium who was kind of, like, holding the microphone. She was, like, honest, she had a real Mark Marin pose where she was, like, sitting on a rock with a microphone, like, doing crowdwork.

She's like, and remember, this is going to require a lot of patience. Like, my boys just, like, why watch it both take their hands out of the water? Just like, they're like, we're not funny. We're not waiting. If this is like, if we get to pet, A stingray gray, but if we got to wait for a stingray to rub its back against my hand, I'm out of here. Is that because of the internet? I think it's more just how my boys are wired.

I think in like, yeah, I think in like 1950, they also wouldn't wait around. Also, only one of those boys you were with was your boy, Suf. Oh, that's true. You're right. It was my, it was my son and my friend and his friend. But they're all little, so. All right, here we go. Last question.

Have you been to the Grand Canyon? Yes. Was it worth it? Yeah. Great. Did you go? When did you go? We stayed at a lodge.

Okay. We stayed at one of the national lodges there. That was really cool. Was this with Alex? Yes. Oh, great. Yeah. You guys seem like, I will say, I think couples that go to the Grand Canyon together,

I think it's a very good sign. Yeah. Yeah. I think couples that go to the Grand Canyon together are meant to be together. Yeah, I agree. This is my hard take that I've never had before, but I'm going to now establish on the pod. Yeah, if you don't go to the Grand Canyon together,

like, it's not going to last. I think it can last without going. I just think if you're going, look, I think what Anna is saying is two things. One, if you don't go to Grand Canyon with your spouse, you're living a lie and two fuckfield dreams. To the aquarium. So great to see you.

You too. Thank you so much for having me. So good to see you. Thank you. Family chips, brothers. Every summer up in Vermont, 10 families camp. Some who set up their tents. The first one was too long.

And the hip-talks-on. Besides when there was a scary thunderstorms so hard nothing worse.