Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - ANNALEIGH ASHFORD Visited Paul Hall

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

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Hey Poshie. Hey Sufi. How are you? I'm good. I'm I'm really excited because this weekend as we record this I'm gonna fly home on Saturday night so I can See mom for Mother's Day on Sunday, huh? What? Nothing. I just I don't I don't know why you Sort of put all this effort into going to see mom. What? Yeah, I don't know. I just think she, you know, she can just be a lot. I don't know that that's true. I think she's great and it's Mother's Day, so I want to see her.

I don't know. I mean, that's maybe that's more of a you thing. No, I think this is so weird, Sufi. Like I, this doesn't even sound like you. Well, that's because it's not me, Pashi. What do you mean? This is, I wasn't able to do an intro, so you're just pretending to be me and trying to make people think that I'm a terrible person. Well, that's what you get when you don't show up

to do an intro and I have to do one alone is I can make you look like, yeah, like just a bad, bad, terrible person, which of course I know you're not. Hey everybody, it's just Pashi here because Sufi couldn't make it. He's a very busy person. And actually as we speak, my parents are visiting with him

and he will be with our mother for the beginning of Mother's Day. And then my mom and dad, our mom and dad are gonna drive up to New Hampshire and I will be there to greet them. So I'm sure we will have some great stories to share with you about these family trips in our next intro. On today's show, we have a mother as well,

Annali Ashford, just a fabulous actress known on Broadway and beyond. She is in the new series, Happy Face, and she is a delight. And please enjoy, and Sufi will be back with me, I hope, next time we record one of these. Family trips with the Muddist Brothers. Here we go. Hello.

Look at your podcast rooms. Are you making something? It looks like you might be doing some crochet work or something. I wish, because that would mean I could crochet. I would be making little pot holders. Oh my God. And little- Isn't that the dream? Yes.

Dude, did you guys have people in your life who crocheted and they make those creepy dolls where they like bought a doll head from the craft store and then the rest of it was crocheted? No. No, we didn't. You were talking about. I have received some crochet gifts from fans

and I immediately send that to security. I feel as though somebody sends a crochet doll is just asking to be put on a list. Of you with a weird doll head? It was not, the doll head, I think I would just never come to the office again. Well, you did do the show out of an attic for a while. Yeah, that's true.

That was a real doll head era of the show. But you did, I will say you had a really nice, I felt as though it was almost like we discovered you when you came on the Zoom. You were elsewhere and it was like one of those, I don't know, it was like one of those shows that began with someone being like, oh, hello, welcome to... Do you know what I just realized? This is my nursing pillow.

Oh. You know, I forgot to take that out of the shot. Are you in the, you're still in the nurse zone right now, right? Yeah, I'm kind of now like primarily pumping. Yep. Like this morning, she was, you know, we were waiting for the bottle to warm up of breast milk and I had my little pump pieces out

and she looked at me like, why not the boob? Yeah. You know? I started was like, okay, and popped her on, you know? My little boy though, I could never nurse him. He had such bad reflex. So I just always pumped and then gave him a bottle. So this feels like a whole new world to me. She can nurse and also like look at me and laugh and pinch me and stuff.

I think because my wife likes our daughter so much more than she ever liked the boys, that was a real long nurse. I at one point there was a, I at one point had her, hey, I feel as though we maybe, I don't know, have entered. I feel like that's happening right now. I didn't want, I'm like, how long are we gonna do this for? You know, like, I could keep going. You wanna keep going? All right, girl, let's do it.

Yeah, I mean, it sounds like she wants to keep going. She doesn't want those parts and pieces that you have to put together. Just doesn't feel, doesn't have the same air. Yeah, washing all that stuff. It's the difference between a home cooked meal and we're gonna get delivery, you know? She's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I mean, it's made in the same kitchen, but it's like, you know. It's just not the same when you reheat it. It doesn't travel well. No, it doesn't travel well. The to-go box is like not the same. Mom, you know how to make a taco bowl. What are we doing here?

Yeah, I'm like, hey, everybody likes cold pizza. So you grew up in Denver, Colorado. Yes, I did. Three siblings, correct? Me and my brother and sister, so there's three of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so where do you fall in the birth order? I'm the oldest by eight and 10 years,

which is a lot. Oh, wow. Yeah. So how does that go down? You know, I'm watching it play out because my little boy is eight years older than my little girl. My brother is eight years younger. My sister is 10 years younger. So when my brother was born, you know,

leading up to his birth, I was like, this is terrible. This is not going to end well for me. You know, horrified because you're the only child and then you're not. Yeah. Yeah. And you were the only child for a long time. For a long, long time. How far apart are you guys? Two years. Okay. Yeah. That's a whole other thing. So I remember at the hospital while he was being born,

get ready for this, he is born on June 24th and I was born on June 25th. So there was this like race to the clock. I was like, he was two weeks late. And I remember going to the doctor's appointments with my mom, you know, those checkups. She was really, she was like, please induce me. I can't handle this anymore because I was three weeks late and he was two weeks late. And they, I remember at the appointment, the doctor being like, you know, I thought you'd go another week. And my mom was like, please no, please no. I remember it very vividly.

And they were like, okay, we'll induce you tomorrow. And I was like, tomorrow? But my birthday is like in two days. And she looked at me, she was like, it's okay. I probably will have him tomorrow. Don't worry about it. And she had him like at like eight or nine o'clock. Like it was really, he got really close to being my birthday,

which felt like another form of trauma. That would have been very uncalled for. Uncalled for, right? Like how bizarre. And then I remember they put him in my arms and I like immediately was like, okay, I love him. This is great. This is the best birthday present I could have ever gotten.

You know, very dramatic, dramatic eight-year-old. It does seem like every reaction is deeply dramatic. So, so, um, like uncomfortable, like old soul. I was like a weird old lady as a child. So that, that also carried on to the way that I parented him as a sibling. And then did the same thing with my sister. Yeah, were you like picking them up?

Were you picking up your siblings all the time and carrying them around? Yeah, so Jack, Lucy's six months old right now and Jack is like, mom, I can pick her up, watch. I, we, I had to do a self-tape two nights ago. Uh-huh. And...

Self-tape for those not in the business. Annalee was auditioning and they asked herself to put herself on tape. When you say it like that, isn't it insane? Oh, yeah. Totally insane. I'm going to just put myself on camera, which, you know, like 15 years ago, and even 10 years ago was a lot harder, and now we all just have a camera in our pocket. You know, you can make a movie from your pocket. So anyways, we had to put my, I had to put myself on tape, and my husband had to read

the lines with me, and it was like too late in the day, and we were like, okay, Jack, you have to watch Lucy in the other room, and if something happens, just scream and we'll run out. Um, and everything was kind of going okay. And then I pop out to check on Jack. I go, how's it going buddy? Oh, it's great guys. Guess what? I can hold her.

And he starts to lift her up and we go, no, like right by the coffee table, the hard edges, there's a glass nearby. But I, there's a million pictures of me at his age, having, I had my brother like on my hip, like a little woman just carrying around. I was, I was like, and then my sister shared a room with me. And when she, I remember like,

she was about four months old when she started, you know, sleeping in my room. And if she woke up in the middle of the night, I would just like pick her up and take care of her. And like in the morning, I would get her up and put her in bed with me and she'd hang out. I just, it kind of like makes sense why I babysat so young, why I knew kind of, I didn't know everything, but it was really second nature to me having kids

because I was a weird little mama to my brother and sister. My wife spent a lot of time with her cousin's kids when she was young and they were babies. And it is amazing. I also think she has a maternal instinct, but Josh and I spent no time with babies the entirety of our lives. Yeah, which makes sense. So when you had yours where you're like, what and I spent no time with babies the entirety of our lives. Yeah, which makes sense.

So when you had yours, were you like, what do I do? A hundred percent. And just that thing of, oh, they're too small. It's just too small. We should go back to the hospital when it's a little bit bigger. This is too small and it's not going to be safe. It's going to fall down the drain or in a crack. Down the drain.

You are concerned about them falling down the drain. You're like, it could happen. It's gonna fall behind the couch and we're not gonna be able to get it out. My wife will like see a very fresh new baby and like pick it up and start flying it around. And I'm like, I can't like, my heart is in my throat. And I, you know, she's just got it.

I mean, I still feel that way about the really fresh ones. Yeah. When people are like, this is kind of a crazy story, but when Jack was like probably six or seven months old, we had just finished doing Sunday in the Park with George. And we were for some reason, hanging out with Jake Gyllenhaal on Mother's Day.

And I remember he was like, we have a massage therapist. Welcome. You can go and get a massage. And you could see Joe just like crumbling, you know, like, because he had forgotten to do anything. So I went, had a massage and I came back in the room and Jake was seasoning salmon, holding our child with like one hand. Like, I still don't know how he did it.

He did that thing where you like balance a baby in your hand and you could see Joe just like looking horrified. It's like this man just gave my wife a massage and now he's seasoning salmon, making it beautifully and holding my baby like a bowling ball. I'm just to empathize with Joe, true story, one time Jake Gyllenhaal came over to our home

with a fish in a bucket that he had caught himself. That he then deboned in front of me while he also, while he also, deboning is also a good way of saying emasculated. Yes. He was literally doing both at the same time. You're like, how'd you learn these things? I, yeah. How are you adulting in this way that what?

Oh, that's amazing. I think that wins. That beats that, that beats Joe's story. I don't know. I think my wife would claim that she didn't get a massage. So, you know, and her house smelled like freshly caught fish. That was the point I kept making after he left. I'm like, it was super cool, but it did smell like fish.

You know, that is a very unique flavor and smell that I actually resonate deeply with, because I grew up in Colorado, so I know what the fresh smell of freshly caught fish, and also just say that, freshly smell of freshly caught fish. I don't want to say that. That's your memoir, isn't it? Freshly smell of freshly caught fish. Now I'm like, what was it? Was it trout? What was that?

Yeah. What did you have? I don't know. I mean, I think probably looking back, he probably just got it at the store and then like put it in a bucket. I mean, they're actors. You're all actors. Yeah, we don't know how to fish. We can't be trusted. No. So I will say more often than not, you hear like, oh, my first two siblings are close and then there's a long gap between the last one. And they're always, and so the youngest

is always like, I was the mistake. It feels like this is the case between the last one. And they're always, and so the youngest is always like, I was the mistake. Feels like this is the case where the first one maybe was the mistake. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yes, how'd you know? My mom and I went to high school together. And by that, her friend Sharon, when she introduces me to people,

she's like, this is my friend Holly's daughter. We went to high school together because she had her when she was 18. We had senior year together. Yes, my mom got pregnant with me her senior year of high school. And like, it was one of those I didn't know I was pregnant episodes on TLC. Like she really just didn't know she was pregnant. So that's fun. And also it was great for me

because I had all these really fun sleepovers as a little, little girl. And sometimes I would watch inappropriate shows. Like I remember we watched the first two seasons of The Real World, like, and I was, you know, in first grade or something. I don't know, I was really little, but I really knew what was happening with,

what was his name, Puck? What was his name, Puck? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Puck. Yeah. And Pucko, right? What was his name? Those two sound familiar. Yeah.

Puck for sure. I can't go much deeper than that. So yeah, also which explains my love for New York. There was never a time that I don't remember wanting to move to New York and live in New York. I feel like... And do you think that the real world was a big part of that? I think the real world and then also Sarah Live, like that I remember like watching like very, at a very inappropriate age.

Also, because I was like the only child for a long time, well, my cousins, my cousins were born right after me, two of them. And then there was another crop of cousins that came like seven years later. But I watched, we lived with my grandma and grandpa until I was like six. And my grandpa would like wake me up and have me watch Johnny Carson with them when I was, I mean, really little. So it explains sort of like my weird sense of humor. I don't know. There's two different paths as cool grandpa. I think there's the more conventional one, which is I let my granddaughter stay up with me

to watch Carson. Waking someone up to watch Carson is a whole different. I know. Isn't that wild? Did you ask to be woken for it or did he just take it upon himself to be like, she's gonna like this? I mean, I think it was a combo platter.

And also, like I was like, I don't know, I was already a night owl. Are you guys night owls? I was a night owl. It's owner. Yeah, we were night owls back in the day. Yeah, it's like inherent. I don't know.

It is funny, cause I got my, one of my boys is a night owl and one of them is an early bird. And you just completely raise this. And the greatest outcome, it would make our life so much worse, is they both can sleep through the other's thing. So when the seven-year-old's asleep, the nine-year-old literally walks in,

turns on all the lights to find a book, like gets into bed, reads for like an hour with all the lights on, doesn't rouse them at all. And then when the seven-year-old wakes up at like 5.30 in the morning and do Legos, turns on all the lights and the other one sleeps. It's nuts. That's a miracle.

Congratulations. And you get four hours in the middle where you can sleep. Yeah. Yes. So rad. That's the best part. Don't you love when you fall asleep and your kids aren't and you go, what'd you just do?

I know. When they're little too, you know when they're little and you can like put them on your face and go, okay, they're not gonna move around that much and I'll put on a show and you can just sleep. Yes, like you just, you place them somewhere where you will notice if they have moved. Yes. Yeah.

That's a great, we're edging into that era with the six month old, we're getting Yes. Yeah. That's a great way. We're edging into that era with the six month old. We're getting close. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Great times. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support for Family Trips comes from Airbnb.

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Did you have any interest in sort of the nature of Colorado or were you pretty much like, I just want to get to New York City? I had no interest in nature. I mean, that's not, I would say we've had a cabin growing up. So we would go every weekend in the summertime to the cabin. And like, if you take me to the mountains, I know how to survive.

Like if you dropped me off at the ocean, I don't know what I'm doing. I still sort of don't know what to do when I go to the beach. I'm like very uncomfortable. I prefer to see through the water if I have to be at the ocean. I like the ocean, but I still like, it feels like foreign to me. Like if I was on Naked and Afraid, do you guys ever watch Naked and Afraid?

I don't watch it. I'm familiar with it, but yeah. Oh, I encourage you to take a dip into naked at night. There's an episode where this woman catches a fish between her legs. Not to bring it back to fish, freshly caught fish. But that was an episode where I was like, I could do that. I mean, she also is naked, so that felt uncomfortable. Like, just like fish between your legs and you caught it.

What happened there? You know, there's like so many, so many, so many things to talk about. But, but I, I do feel like I can go to a river and know how to navigate it. Know like when it's okay to walk through it, know when it's not. I know how to look for ticks. I know how to take a hike and like get us back to the cabin. Like I know when to go. We have gone too far.

I know what to do if a moose walks down the road. Which is? What do you do? I'm going to say you get behind a tree. Yeah. If that's on com, don't go by it. Don't offer anything. Get away. They're really, that's uncomfortable. Don't go buy it. Don't offer it anything. Get away.

They're really, they're scary. Like moose are not, you know, deer will be scared of you. So they'll like go away, you know? But yeah, one time we had a moose that was, somebody had a salt lake, which is very against the rules. Yeah. Like in our neighborhood of cabins. And there was a moose that was just like hanging out

and would come hang, and then I was like, where's Papa? Like, we could not find my grandpa. My grandpa was sitting on the back porch eating a plate of spaghetti with the moose just sitting there with its like leg over its antlers. Is that a crazy, that's like a crazy old man. That same grandpa, that's like an old man of, I've lived in Colorado my whole life, so I can sit and watch the

smooze hang out and eat grass. No, that was not a good choice. You never know what they'll do. They're still wild animals. Anyways, but I don't ski. I don't know how to. That ship has sailed. My knees and my hips will say no. Thank you. But I definitely think it was a beautiful place to grow up, but I

I'm a person who prefers the city. So was the cabin your grandparents cabin? Yes, okay both sides of the family grant the grandparents had a cabin Which is kind of common for like families of Colorado who've been there for many years. How far was it from your home to get to the cabin? My dad's side of the cabin was an hour away and then my mom's side of the cabin was like two hours with good traffic, two and a half, three if it was bad traffic. So did you prefer the closer one just because it was closer? I liked the one that was farther because it was really close

to this little town called Grand Lake. And it's this amazing, it's on a lake that is grand, surprise, surprise. But it's this like really cute, cool little old mountain town and it had like a bowling alley and two different putt courses. One was expensive, one was cheap, and I never got to go to the expensive one. And the one that was cheap, it had like a lot of graveyard references. Yeah.

It's still there. It was a windmill, but only like one mill. Yes, exactly. I mean, I guess one blade. What would you call that? One blade. One blade. Yeah, one blade. Very easy to putt through. Yes, it was easier. Also, that same grandpa would be like, I like that one better because I think he knew the

course but I mean like to beat us, which you're not supposed to beat your kids and grandkids. It was his home course. It was his home, put that course. And would you go to these cabins sort of pre siblings? Did you go when you were very little or? Yes, me and my, it was more like a me and my cousins moment, totally pre-siblings, we had a dirt mound. They like, this is crazy.

That cabin, they bought like a one room cabin and then they were like always trying to add onto it. I mean, my entire life, for like 35 years, there was like always an addition happening. And they got these, for some reason, the people who built it originally, they built it with like, you know when ammunition was stored in like metal boxes? Do you even know what I'm talking about?

Is that a real thing? I'm not making this up. No. That was what it was built out of, which cannot be up to code. The cabin was built out of old boxes? Isn't that bizarre? Like, what am I saying?

And then had like wood put over it. It was always like, what's happening here? This cabin, and then I guess when I was little, I don't remember it. It was always like, what's happening here? This cabin. And then I guess when I was little, I don't remember it. My dad was like, Annie keeps waking us up, waking us up and telling us that there's like squirrels or mice by her bed and nobody would listen to me. Like nobody was listening to me. There was indeed an entire mouse family, maybe rats, I don't know what it was, by my head where I was sleeping. Isn't that disgusting? And I blame it on the ammunition casings.

It was like- When you like build, I mean, basically you built your house full of perfect little mouse houses. Right? Every brick was a mouse cabin. And they all spoke in a British accent and were living in, they had apartments and they were like, who's going to sleep by that girl's head? Her hair is beautiful, glossy blonde.

Oh no, you got an infestation of British mice? Yes, they were so happy to be there. And then we also had bats sometimes, like what is this? Oh yeah. Like we might as well just have stayed in tents. Did you guys have bats, Graham? Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, I like bats, Graham? Uh-huh, yeah.

Yeah, I like bats. But then when they get inside, it's no good. Fun game. Did you guys have cabins? Did you have that? No. We had, you know, we grew up in New Hampshire, so we definitely have friends with lake houses that were, you know, you would have them.

Oh yeah, you had lake houses. That's like a different thing. A lot of squirrels. I feel like I've lived places where squirrels are in the wall. We had a flying squirrel in our house once. Oh, I forgot that a different thing. A lot of squirrels. I feel like I've lived places where squirrels are in the wall. We had a flying squirrel in our house once. Oh, I forgot that's a thing. Yeah.

What did they do? But it's more like they like jump in and have parachute wings, right? Yeah, yeah. So they're kind of a bummer when they're inside because there's not a lot of room to do their thing. But we had mice, we definitely had mice a lot. Like you could hear mice running around in the attic

on the regular in our house. Which is sort of like, that's also just a common theme in a Broadway theater. It's kind of like doing a Broadway show is like kind of like staying at the cabin. It's just like lots of rodents that you pretend. Yeah, I was gonna say, if it's Broadway, those ain't mice. Those ain't British mice.

They're not, they're not, I'm just gonna continue to believe that they are. Those are bridge and tunnel rats. Those are. Yeah, New York isn't known for its mice. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, yeah.

There's that one country mouse came here that one time, and it was five of us. And he was five after. Where am I? Get me back home. I can't take it here. I guess I wasn't a city mouse after all. What?

How many different Broadway theaters have you done and chosen now? Uh, like nine maybe? Is that right? No, I've had a repeat. So like, I guess eight. Gotcha. Yeah. And they're all equally disgusting.

But what about, I don't want you to pick favorites, but where was Sunday in the park? The Hudson, which is maybe the most disgusting, guys. Really? Because it feels, as an audience member, feels like newish. The most beautiful upfront. So what happened was they redid the front and then the backstage is just, they're all really dysfunctional, but the backstage of the Hudson shares with

the hotel that it is in. So you'll go to the bathroom downstairs and then you're also sharing a bathroom with folks who are getting ready for their shift in the hotel, which is totally cool, but like completely bizarre. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what? Also, it's just very funny that if you're in a stupid costume. Yeah, like think about it, you're in your 1800s,

French era costume with like a bustle and a bonnet, and then somebody is like in their uniform getting ready to work at the front desk. Like it just doesn't make any sense. I would imagine once the bustle's on, it's a drag if you have to go to the bathroom. It's so hard to pee. It's, you know, a whole thing. Those are the moments when you're like, could you imagine being a woman in another era?

Could you imagine? Could you imagine? I always do. Right? Mostly that's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. That's what you think about a lot. You're like, what would I do if I was a woman

in the 1850s in a wagon, like on the Oregon Trail, and I had to pee, what would I do? Yeah, who do you, like, how long do you hold it before you say something? Yeah, and do you just like not wear your bloomers all the time in the summer? And nobody knows, like do you free ball it in the summertime? Like what happens with your undergarments?

Cause those outfits were hot. Is there an equivalent to like peeing in a bottle when you're driving? Is there like, was there a jar or some sort of jug? Or a bucket. I would say, can I just say how I would do it if I had a pioneer wife? I think you cut a little hole in the bottom of the wagon.

So you don't have to stop the whole wagon train, right? You just have, and for dudes too, you just kind of squat and then you're just what? You're just peeing on the road as you like. You are an adventure. They would have called it the Myers Hole. I know, it's a bummer thing. I think it would be a tough thing to patent.

Do you got a Myers Hole in your wagon? That's a best invention I ever heard yet. A Myers Hole's better than the railroad. And then, but they would, then there would be a slang for the wagon behind the wagon with the Myers Hole. Anytime it smelled like urine, you'd be like, I feel like we're riding behind the Myers Hole. Those damn Myers Hole, I'll be behind them.

Did you, so when you had your younger siblings and you would drive to one of those cabins of yours, do you remember, I would imagine that is when the age difference is taxing when you have that much younger siblings in a car. Yes. So when I got my driver's license, my sister was, she was, okay, she's 10 years younger. So how old was she? She was six. Six. You were 16, let's say. And my brother was eight. I'm so good at math, can you tell?

And my brother was eight and I had to take my brother, I don't know, I had to do something. And it was the day I got my license and we got in the car and I'm about to back out, you know, and it's a big deal. So I had turned around to back out and I looked, he put his football helmet on to get in the car with me. I swear to God, I did not mean that up. And I wish, he was like before we had pictures

or cameras on our phone, I didn't even have a cell phone. And I remember being like, why do you have your helmet on? He was like, because you're driving. That's literally, he was that. And he was a crazy driver when he started driving, you know, so that was always a big joke. I was like, should I go get a helmet on before I ride with Nick? I still feel that way.

A very good joke for a young kid to make, to put on a football helmet. I mean, it was great if it was a joke, but it was real. Oh yeah, so that is just hurtful. It was like really authentic. But then I had to drive them around, which was sort of a thing. And then when you drive to the mountains, the one cabin that's an hour away

has like a private road that you have to get to. And that's kind of an uncomfortable dirt road drive, but it's not scary. The other cabin that's two hours away, you have to drive through Berthead Pass, which is a really famous like mountain pass you have to go over. And there's parts of it where there's no guard rails, which is a really famous like mountain pass you have to go over. And there's parts of it where there's no guard rails,

which is crazy to me. Like all these years, there's no, you're on like a cliff basically, and there's no, it still scares me driving up. I can't stand. One of the least happy hours of my life was when we were in what, Postotano? Oh yeah.

With my mom and dad. Yeah. Yes, I was just in St. Italy. Yeah. Yeah. My dad driving up that windy road, I just hated it so much. You're like praying during it.

I still, I pray sometimes during drives like that. I just remember it. And I always like, there's this added element, I've talked about this before, of knowing that if dad went off the side, like the last thing I'd hear would be my mom just fucking laying into him. But before impact.

Wouldn't be, I love you guys so much. Oh no. No. It would be them judicating whose fault it had been. To go on that road, but there's only that road, right? I haven't done that. Yeah, there's no sneaky way to the top. Also, would you rather you drive it

or would you rather be in somebody else's? Like I think that drive, I would rather have a local do it. Yeah. But then the locals. They're crazy fast. I mean, true, you would rather have a local, I agree. But then they're all I mean, true, you would rather have a local, I agree, but then they're like, you know, they're all of a sudden like passing.

Totally. You know, they're like, we know it, we know it. You're so fine. You're like, is it? He's so good. So I guess my answer would be, I would prefer not to do it. Not to do it. Just stay at the bottom.

Yeah, you'd go to the close cabin. You wouldn't even go to the far away cabin. I'm gonna stay at the Coorsbury. I would imagine there's plenty to do in Denver on the weekend. Totally. My mom is legally blind without her contacts in. She's had two cornea transplants.

So when she drives it, she's always like, I'm fine when I have my contacts and driving, leave me alone everybody. But she does do the thing where like, she'll be talking to you. And you know, when you get into the part of the, you're not on the highway, you're actually not on the road and it's like, boo.

The rumble strip? She'll get on the rumble strip for kind of a long time to the point where like, mom? Is she also legally deaf? Did she have her old corneas transplanted to her ears? Also that rumble strip could knock both of those contacts right out of her eyeballs. They did before she got her transplant, they would pop off of her eyeballs. I swear to God. Her contacts would pop off her eyeballs and you'd have to like, this was the 90s. And so we'd be like, do you have your flashlight in your purse, mom? Oh, let me look. She pulled out

a flashlight. And then I, at seven, eight, nine years old, would have to find her contacts in the carpet, in the gravel, in the parking lot. Can you believe that? That's so funny. Also, the preface of this was the 90s, like this is a thing that everybody's 90s was like. You gotta remember, this is the 90s. Everybody had flashlights, looking for their mom's contacts. It's crazy. You would be such a funny guest on that, like, remember the 90s show.

You guys remember how everybody had flashlights? Remember everybody's cabins were built out of ammo casings? British mice. British mice always yapping in your ears. In your hair. What about, so you had this love of New York, right? So I imagine, did you ever go on a vacation or was that off the books?

Oh, you guys, you probably went a bunch as kids. Did you go a lot as kids? Enough. We went here and there. Yeah, not all the time, but. I didn't go until we went on our trip to look at colleges, which was basically like we looked at all of them and we went to Juilliard and the guy giving the tour was really, he was really sophisticated and it was probably like a 24-year-old, I don't know, violin major and he talked like

this and he went, this is the Paul Hall. There was at the time a Paul Hall and me and my mom and my grandpa, the same grandpa, we laughed so hard that we were like rude. Other people were looking at us like we were being shameful, but he said it like six times. The Paul Hall was donated graciously by the Pauls who really wanted a hall where we could have our music students enjoy their music at the Paul Hall. It's just, he kept saying it over and over again. So it's still a joke between us, the Paul Hall. Anyways, we realized that I couldn't afford to go anywhere else except for the school

that I got into, which was the only school that I got into, which was Marymount Manhattan College. But it still is in New York. But that was the first time I ever came and I was like 15. And I remember being like, remember back then too, there were delis where there were pickles in the middle of the table? Like there was just a jar of pickles or a bowl of pickles.

So unsanitary before you got raided. I bet you we can't do that anymore because it's against like the ratings on the- Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. If you get a P do that anymore because it's against like the ratings on the. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, if you get a P on the window, that means they leave the pickles out. I wish there was a deli with the pickles up.

That's like, it was a yummy treat. It seems like the vinegar would sort of counteract any badness that it's gonna be in there. If you're gonna leave anything out. That's what it's all about. Leave the pickles out. Totally. But that's young. Did you're gonna leave anything out. That's what it's all about. Leave the pickles out. Totally. But that's young.

Did you finish like high school early if you were looking at Juilliard when you were 15? If my husband was here, he would come in and make fun of me for like, he would do like his five minute latsi about what I'm about to say. I graduated high school early and I graduated college early.

So I graduated from college when I was 19. Wow. Cause again, I don't want to like stereotype the fact that it did take you longer than it should have to figure out that six was 16 minus 10. So I would like to dig in how exactly you doogie-housered your way through high school and college. Online courses. I figured out that there were online courses I could take before anybody knew that was a thing.

And also because I grew up in Colorado, we were really close to Utah where all the Mormon people live. So I like asked some of the Mormon people like, what do you do when you are on your missions and you're in college? Like they were like, Oh, BYU has this incredible online program that I looked up, realized you could take high school courses. And I just slightly convinced the guidance counselors both in high school and college to sign off

on these BYU courses that I just basically skipped a year with. And now what was your impetus for this? Did you just, was your drive to get past school so intense because you knew what you wanted to do next? I was like, I've got to be in New York City because I'm going to, I really thought New York was going to be like the turning point and fame and all that jazz. Like I thought it was going gonna be dirty and grimy

and people would be walking around the streets in leotards going like this, you know. Making jazz hands. Jazz hands, there were sort of like some Fosse hands for those listening. Yeah. It was not that, but it was still dirty and disgusting in other ways that I truly appreciated.

And also, you know, it had all of the resources of the things that I wanted to be as an artist. There's like no other place that you'd rather be. Also, sometimes, you know, New York is a tricky bitch. We like love her and we hate her at the same time. Like, she's so exhausting. And she's really, you know, makes it hard to live here. But it's also the greatest city in the world, you know?

It's certainly how I feel. And I think everything, all the negative stuff is true as well. She's really, you know, makes it hard to live here, but it's also the greatest city in the world, you know. Certainly how I feel, and I think everything, all the negative stuff is true as well, but you, so you finished college at 19? Yeah. And then, but pretty soon after you're on Broadway, right? A couple of years? I did right out of college.

When I was in college, I used to go to EPAs and chorus calls, which if you don't know what that is, it's basically, you know when you see people auditioning for Broadway shows like, you know, Bette Midler and Beaches, there's like a big long line, or the opening credits to All That Jazz, is like a big crazy audition. Those are like real. And I used to stand in lines, you know, with like 800 people just waiting to sing eight bars and I did it all through college and I never got a callback. I got like one callback for hairspray out of those whole three years. And then when I graduated from college, I somehow got like my first audition where

I got to do material from the show and not just like songs from my book as they call it, which is like a book of music that you show up with, which my book was terrible and I didn't know. It's like I picked the worst songs you could ever pick and had no idea. And then I finally like got a job. I got Next to Normal, but before it was called Next to Normal, it was called Feeling Electric. I did it in the New York Musical Theater Festival. Then from that, I got the touring company of Wicked, and I was the Glinda understudy when I was 20.

Wow. It was my first big gig. Did your parents make a trip to come see you in your first show? They came to that, like basically, tiny week-long production of Next Genre, and then I can't remember, they came to see Wicked by the time we got to DC, we played the Kennedy Center. Oh wow. Which was so, I just was in DC like a couple days ago, and I realized I hadn't really been there. I'd been there for Tiny Desk,

but I hadn't really worked there for like 20 years, and it's obviously, you know, really different, but holy moly, that city is like, the vibe is so dependent on what's happening politically. Like you just feel it immediately. Yeah. Talk about a vibe. Yeah, people that live there just say it,

it just completely shifts, like just in terms of who gets jobs and yeah. No other city in America has gotta be like that. When you say tiny desk, do you mean the NPR Tiny Desk concert? Yeah. What did you do that, who did you do that with? We did it for Sweeney Todd and I hid under the tiny desk for part of it, Do you mean the NPR Tiny Desk concert? Yeah. What did you do that with? Who did you do that with?

We did it for Sweeney Todd and I hid under the tiny desk for part of it, which I thought was so, so funny. I don't really think people thought was that funny. I was like, I'm under the tiny desk. I can't wait to watch that. I think that's one of the most novel, cool things going. It's the coolest. We also showed up with half an orchestra, which I was like, is this still tiny?

Right. The desk, as long as the desk doesn't change size. No. Yeah. And it was dirty under the desk. Yeah. Well. Nobody had cleaned under the desk.

You're used to that also. Yeah. Yeah. You just said that's what you wanted in New York, so yeah. Where are the British mice? We, I just, the play with James Earl Jones was, Can't Take It With You, was that? You got it.

Okay, so did you see that with me, Josh? Cause I feel like that was a mom and dad play. Can't remember. Okay. Yeah. That's, this is my. You had one of the great, you won a Tony for that, correct?

And it literally says on it, you can't take it with you. The Tony, that's really funny. Isn't that amazing? I feel like one of the great stair entrances in that one. You know what? Stairs, there's nothing better than stairs. Because you had some Sweeney Todd stair work. You really... I'm always hoping people don't remember that I did a stair bit. Why? So you can did a stair bit, you know.

Why, so you can do another stair bit? Yeah, I literally was like, I looked at Tommy Kail and I was like, is it too soon? Too soon to do another stair bit? I don't wanna be, I don't wanna get like pigeonholed as the stair girl. Exactly, but also I think it's okay. I think it's fine.

I mean, it's literally, I think the first time I ever saw you was making a fantastic stair entrance. So it's like, I will it's fine. I mean, it's literally, I think the first time I ever saw you was making a fantastic stair entrance. So it's like, I will say if I ever see you on stage, that was my least favorite thing about Sunday in the Park. No stairs. No stairs. There was one big step and it just felt like inappropriate.

Was it enough? Yeah. You should, I mean, the intermission, I know you're never in the intermission of one of your shows, but the amount of people waiting for drinks being like, there better be stairs in the next day. Is of your shows, but the amount of people waiting for drinks being like, there better be stairs in the next day. But I paid for these tickets. Is there a staircase coming up? Do you know what I will tell you?

Have you seen Sunset Boulevard? I have not, but that's a big stair show. No staircase, guys. Get out of here. No, it's just a blank stage. I was like, well, maybe they'll surprise us with a staircase. And if she fell down it, that would just, that would make it a different show,

but a show that I would love. And also why nobody will ever have me play Norma Desmond. I saw Glenn Close in Sunset Boulevard and I feel like it was all stairs. Me too. Yeah. I mean, that's the, you know, that's the thing, but that's kind of the point of this sunset

is that there is no stairs. Yeah. No stairs. But I would play that just immediately a prat fall down them. It's a different show. Different show. Yeah, different show. I'm gonna try to get back to some trips if I can.

Would you ever? Sometimes when people fall down the stairs is because they trip. Just FYI. Okay, very good. I was not as far afield as I feel like you're totally implying. Okay, fair enough. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support comes from Blueland.

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a common destination was Vegas, Vegas baby. All right. Cause it's really close by. It's like a quick drive. Like I was like, I don't know, nine hours or 10 hours. One time, I'm bringing up my grandpa a lot. And yeah, he seems like a pretty cool dude. Yeah.

F.Y.I. Papa Norm had this like sort of special power where he would let the gas run out of the tank. He would just be like, we got enough to make it to the next stop. Sometimes he didn't. That was the thing that my grandma would be like, Norm, are you kidding me? So we're on our way to Vegas,

and a lot of my dance conventions were there. So I would go there for dance conventions and like dance competitions. And I went to the nationals for the Rainbow Connection dance competition. I was in the singing category, which sort of didn't exist, it like didn't exist, but I was still in it.

It was like very strange. Sounds like you put it on the map. Yeah. Yes, and I would show up and it would always be like me in my weird costume singing a song from Les Mis or Sunset Boulevard, which was inappropriate, or Gypsy, again, inappropriate. And everybody else was like, they were pageant girls

because that was a big thing. Jhomane Ramsey went to my dance studio. It's a whole other podcast. So anyways, we went for the Rainbow Connection talent competition and my grandma and grandpa, my mom and dad, my brother was a baby. And we were like probably 15 minutes away from Vegas. And that's like a long stretch of highway

before you get in. You can see this, it's like a mirage in the desert. That's like really what it's like. It's wild. And my grandpa was like, um, guys were really low. And my family was like, what? You know, my grandma, you could see my grandma go norm. And we had to turn off the air conditioner because that would save gas. So we turn off the air conditioner and then we're all sweating and we're super hot and we have the windows down

and we're getting closer and closer to Vegas and it's really hot in Vegas. So it's hot. And then he goes, he goes, we have to roll up the windows because it's making it for some reason, I don't know why. To make it more aerodynamic maybe. Yes. Yeah.

That was the thing. How is that real? Is that a real thing? I mean, I can see the thinking, but that like, you know, if the windows are up, you're sort of, you're smoother. And if the windows are down, then that wind is hitting the inside of the car

and slowing you down. To make a difference, you had to have such little gas. Literally. And then there was like a conversation of like, okay, we're coming up to a hill. So maybe I'll put it in neutral first. It was like insane. And my grandma was so mad and you could tell my dad was like,

are you kidding me? But he couldn't say anything because it's his father-in-law. It was like a thing. But we made it barely. I remember he was like, if we just get to the golden nugget, I don't know, there was like a gas station right by that.

You know, also you can't Google back then. It was the 90s. It was the 90s. Yeah. No Google. The only Google you had were contact lenses in the sad carpet. Yeah, believe in it.

If your contact pops out in any sort of carpet, gravel, I'm there to help you. Great. Great. Yeah. Did you make it to the nugget? Do you remember? I just need a flashlight. We made it.

We made it. We did make it and we stayed at Circus Circus. Great. Yeah. Which is disgusting. That happens. Yeah. A lot of our guests have stayed at Circus Circus, I will say on this podcast.

Have you? Like, no. I do feel like it was named, it was branded well because it feels like everybody, again, our guests were all kids when they stayed there, but I feel like adults were like, well, that circus, circus, that'll be good for the kids. One of the highlights of my life,

and it was above Slots of Fun, and Slots of Fun had these giant hot dogs for a dollar, and you could also get shrimp cocktail after midnight for a dollar, like a big thing of it, which nobody got sick. Yeah. It's really the highlight of that story. So you would just, your grandpa, Norm,

would wake you up and be like, let's go get some cheap shrimp and watch Carson. Sometimes me and him would go just the two of us for dance conventions. And he would play poker all day long while I danced. Pick me up, we'd go take a nap in the afternoon, and then we would go out at night after everything got cheap,

because at midnight you could go get prime rib. He would too, sometimes we'd go to downtown Vegas because it was even cheaper. Yes, I knew I was a prime rib shrimp cocktail aficionado at 12. That's what you want sort of between days at a dance competition as well. I just like seeing you at like one in the morning and somebody being like, I saw that girl singing gypsy this afternoon. Literally, that's what happened.

Your grandpa Norm has a real like, I'm getting, I'm picturing him as grandpa Joe in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Just when you said you were on the tour, I think it was that you were on a tour with him at Juilliard and he was there. Like I think anytime I think of a grandpa on a tour, like it's impossible to think of, like not think of like the Wonka tour.

He also when he loves candy, by the way. He would, when my grandma passed away, he would come and visit me and Joe, before we had Jack. I remember one time he would sleep on the couch and he would have a big thing of Diet Coke, like a two liter thing of Diet Coke, and he didn't know that we were awake and we could see him. He'd be laying there and just open up a two liter of Diet Coke and just take a swig. Not cold, like it was a bottle of water.

Who does that? And pink candies. Do you guys like pink candies? No. Those like soft sort of, almost circus peanut kind of things? Yeah, they're like Pepto Bismol candies. Oh, yeah. Him and my mom love them.

Diet Coke. Uh-oh. That's esophagus fire. My father-in-law, who I love very much, is his ability to just like fall asleep. He takes like 10 cat naps a day. Very short ones. And again, he's an incredibly active grandfather. Like the amount he does with my kids. I have no complaints about this man. But every time he falls asleep, he looks like he's dead.

And every single time I take a picture and I send it to my wife and my sister-in-law, and I just write, sorry for your loss. I have a question. Does he need a CPAP machine? I think he might. He might have a CPAP at night. Really? He might. Yeah CPAP at night. Really?

He might. Great. Yeah. Because it is like... And you're like, are you breathing well at night? Are you having good sleep? Or is this just a part of it? The last time I saw him sleeping, we were...

He was sitting by his pool in Martha's Vineyard and he just sort of like knocked off. And he had been up early and he'd been doing all this stuff. And like, he really is, he's kind of- He's an early bird and a night owl. Yeah. Oh, isn't that our dream? And he's sitting by his pool sleeping and one of your kids, Seth, it was either Ash or Axel,

just like hit him in the dick. Yeah. And like, the poor man. I mean, he's like, he's been doing so much like for the kids on this day and just a quick punch. Yeah. I don't know what that feels like,

but apparently it hurts your tummy. Everything about it's bad. It hurts your everything. Yeah. It hurts your soul. Little kids though, like Jack will be like, I feel it all the way in my tummy. It's like, what's that mean?

Yeah. He's not wrong. It's like, where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I?

Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I?

Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am I? Where am He's like, I'm fine, I know how to do it. And then the other day he fell down and like, I guess landed on his penis somehow. And he's so mad when you, I mean again, anybody's mad when you laugh at their pain,

but you, I even, you know, again, he's seven, I'm, I want to say like, but you can understand why it's funny to me. Like I told you not to do a thing and then you fell and landed on your genitals. On your genitals. Boom. Yeah.

Which is also, I feel like when it comes to like dicks, I'm like, I don't know. I have no idea. Go tell your dad. You know, look, I will tell you this. Like the thing that always, and thank God I'm married to who I'm married to, having gone through puberty, I still have no sense of what the best way to explain it to somebody who's about to go through it is. You know what I mean?

I know. Like, I feel like I'm like, it's just a wild ride, man. You gotta make it your own. Hold on. Also, you know, we have like a little baby girl. So that's been interesting to be like, then on the way home from school, like two days ago, Jack was like, so wait a second.

Like, I don't understand where you pee out of. He like genuinely was like, why do you sit down to pee? Like, why can't you just stand? And then I was like, but I got some news for you. We have three holes. And he was he was blown away and then could not stop laughing. And I couldn't stop laughing because it is crazy. And then he was like, laughing because it is crazy.

And then he was like, no, mom, you have more holes than that. What about these? And he pointed to his nose and his ears, you know, and you were like, you're right. It just falls. I was like, I have seven, you only have six. And then I had to really think about it because even though I did graduate at 19, as you've seen my math is not good.

You skipped holes. The BYU program didn't have a holes class. But that's more of a Mormon based. That's a Mormon thing. They're like, holes is, that's between you and your God. No, they don't have any holes. They have to hide them with their garments. Our daughter, cause the boys have a bunk bed and she's still in a crib, she the other day goes,

ah, I can't wait till I have a penis so I can get my own bed. I was like, oh, you have made a mistake in causal relationships. That's so sweet. Oh, how precious. It is always such a delight to see you. Due to your effervescent nature, people will be surprised to know that you're also in a very scary and dark and wonderful show with Dennis Quaid called Happy Face. Thank you. Yes, I'm in a crime drama. I'm in a very serious, true crime drama. Yes.

Before we let you go though, Josh is going to ask you some questions. All right, speed round. Here we go, what everybody gets. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational? Can I say all three? No. Famously, the beginning of it was,

you can only pick one. No, I'm sorry. Okay, well, if I could say what I really think it's like, I want them to be all of that. But I would say adventure, because I can't, like, I can't not explore, I can't relax kind of on a vacation. All right, great. Okay.

What is your favorite means of transportation? I like to take a plane to get places. Great. Okay, great. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a trip with?

The Kardashians, because they rich. Yeah. They're so rich. The travel experience of that, I think you would be really exceptional because they're just so, so disgustingly rich. And I find them fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not alone.

If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? Papa. Yeah. Yeah. You are from Denver, that's correct, yeah? Yes, sir. Would you recommend Denver as a vacation destination? Absolutely.

Not only has it become super cool as a destination for the younger generation, so that means that it has great coffee shops and great restaurants and great young people activities, which always make a city cool to be in. But it also has the beauty of the Colorado Rock and Mountains. So you can have a really cool afternoon downtown and then you can drive up to the mountains and have an incredible outdoor person experience. So you get the best of both worlds.

I think it's one of the top 10s. Yeah, yeah, agree. And then Seth has our final questions. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? The Grand Canyon, that's what we call it in my family. Cause my brother was four, my sister was two, I was stuck in the middle seat. And we went there for spring break one year,

which was sort of a nightmare for me. But yes, we have seen the Grand Canyon and our pop-up. Why do you call it that? Cause my little brother would be like, are we going to the Grand Canyon? And we had a pop-up trailer, you know, that you take behind, but we had a Bronco and then the pop-up trailer. And I slept on one side and the whole family slept on the other side. And the heater broke in the middle of the night at the Grand Canyon. But I was in my dad's like hunting sleeping bag

that is like below zero temperature so I was fine and everybody else was cold. My follow-up question is do you think the Grand Canyon is worth it? No. Great. Can you believe I said that? I can and I love you for it. I can't, you know what? I believe it's true.

I just can't believe you had the courage to say it. I had the balls to say it. Like I saw it once, I think I'm good. Yep. It is a big hole. You and Seth are of the same mind here. You learned that at BYU Hole class? I learned that at my BYU Hole class.

They only did non-people holes. They had a big class on that. You're the best. It's so nice to see you, Annaleigh. So good to see you. This was my favorite hour of the week. I'm going to go in the other room now and feed my baby. Maybe from my breast, maybe not. We'll see. Well, we know what she wants.

Thank you, Bewell what she wants, so. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, be well. Have a good one. Thank you so much. Bye, guys. Bye. Bye. Bye. ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] There out in Colorado

was Analeie Ashford. She was just eight. She was just eight. Then there was a brother and a sister too. Was this all a mistake? Sister was her roommate Carried her brother around Helped her sis when she had a bad dream She was an old soul from the start But had places to be And when she wanted to graduate quickly, BYU was key. Women and dudes are often counted by Annalise's children.

How many we have, it is debatable, depends who you ask. And how graphic you get, and how graphic you get On a drive to Vegas, we're going back to Annali's past Papa Norm insisted they'd make it, despite lack of gas They made the golden nugget on fumes Stayed at circus, circus And pop a normed rope For at midnight For shrimp cocktail and prime rib

Two things that live in every dream Of every kid But oh don't you sleep on Those giant hot dogs. They'd give her strength for her talent shows She would sing out of her mouth. Oh. you