Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - CHRIS SULLIVAN Got Sent Home From Disneyland

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

This week on the pod, Seth and Josh welcome Chris Sullivan! Chris talks about growing up in Palm Desert before moving to Sacramento, where he spent his childhood exploring the American River, earning his Eagle Scout, and taking family trips to Yosemite, Disneyland, Las Vegas, and more. He shares stories from his early theater days, to Chicago and discovering improv at iO, and reflects on becoming a dad to Bear and Aoife. Chris also reveals the family punishment that inspired this week’s song and answers the infamous speed round. Plus, Chris talks about the This Is Us rewatch podcast, That Was Us, that he co-hosts with Mandy Moore and Sterling K. Brown. Watch more Family Trips episodes: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlqYOfxU_jQem4_NRJPM8_wLBrEEQ17B6 00:00 Introduction with Seth Meyers and Josh Meyers07:35 Red Sox And Remote Help13:21 Meet Chris Sullivan!16:45 Chris Childhood Moves18:47 Gold River Wildlife Days24:15 Eagle Scout Adventures31:28 Yosemite And Family Trips36:48 Kids Names: Bear and Aoife40:51 Disneyland Threat Follow Through45:13 Family Vegas Done Right51:37 Defending the Caveman Tour01:14:09 Speed Round and Farewell Support our sponsors: Article Article is offering our listeners $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. To claim, visit https://www.article.com/discount/trips and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout. Cologuard If you're 45 or older and at average risk, talk to your healthcare provider about screening for colon cancer and ask if Cologuard Plus could be right for you. You can also request a Cologuard prescription online today at https://Cologuard.com Quince Find your next fall favorites at Quince. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to https://Quince.com/TRIPS. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK, too. Ka'Chava Go to https://kachava.com and use code TRIPS for 15% off your first order IQ Bar Text TRIPS to 64000 to get twenty percent off all IQBAR products, plus FREE shipping. Message and data rates may apply. Family Trips is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Theme song written and performed by Jeff Tweedy. About the Show: Lifelong brothers Seth Meyers and Josh Meyers ask guests to relive childhood memories, unforgettable family trips, and other disasters! New Episodes of Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers are available every Tuesday. Executive Producers: Rob Holysz, Jeph Porter, Natalie Holysz Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Coordinating Producer: Derek Johnson Video Editor: Josh Windisch Mix & Master: Josh Windisch Episode Artwork: Analise Jorgensen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm doing good. I brought the boys to see the Punks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just right on my heels. I just missed you. Yeah, it was fantastic. We had a great time with the Punks, and a couple of things, I want to say, one Axel is a real dog boy.

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? And like Ash, very happy to see Albert, but Axel talks to Albert kind of nonstop. Uh-huh. Because he does, I mean, you pointed out that he does look like a human in a dog outfit. Albert does. Yeah. And Axel kind of looks like what a sheep dog would look like if he was a person who got his hair cut.

Yeah, I think that's fair. The two of them are thick as thieves. And just like listen to him talk and it's very sweet. And dad has a lot of kinship with Axel. And I think that this is just really hammered that home. Like, yeah, how happy was it? And just, you know, Axel would be like, I'm going to take Albert outside to throw the tire to him,

little tiny, not a full-size tire, but a little plastic tire. And it was great. That was wonderful. Axel got in a little trouble with Mom. Can I tell you what? Sure. Yeah, please. We watched Dumb and Dumber.

Axel thought it was so funny that he laughed so loud. Every time he laughed, Mom would go, oh, Jesus. So the boys came home and Alexi asked him, how was the trip? And that's, of course, that's their headline. Is that mom got mad at Axel for laughing? Not that mom got mad, but Ash was like, yeah, Axel laughs too hard for Poncahury. And it is like, and it's so funny because mom would say, like, well, that's just my whatever.

My startle reflex. Startle reflex. And I'm like, yeah, that's what laughter is, too. Yeah. Yeah. Like Axel's also, he's startled by how funny Dumb and Dumber is. Yeah. By the way, Dumb and Dumber is very funny.

Oh, it's great. It's great. But I also knew our parents would be a little snobby about it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I knew Mom would be down on it. Also, the choices were that are Billy Madison. And like halfway through, she goes, what happened to the Billy Madison plan?

I'm like, you wouldn't have liked Billy Madison? Yeah. This wasn't an either-or. Yeah. It's so, there are a lot of things, a lot of, like, you know, cultural things that come out, TV shows, movies, and they're very popular. And then mom watches them. She's like, I didn't like it at all. And it was like, yeah, you should have asked me.

I would have told you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything's not for you. Everything's not for me. They did like, we also watched Happy Gilmore. They did like enjoy that. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they would have liked Billy Madison.

But by the way, dumb and dumber. I'm here we're turning this into a movie rewatch podcast. But there's so many good jokes in Dumb and Dumber. I mean, there's so many dumb jokes. Like, I knew they weren't going to like, you know, a diarrhea scene. Right. But there's also some really, really well-crafted jokes. Yeah.

Yeah, mom really, she leans into action. She wants, like, yeah, action flicks. these days. And when I was home, McKenzie was there too. And dad's like, hey, maybe we should watch a movie tonight. And mom just goes, ice fall, ice fall. Yeah, I'm like, what are you talking about? Icefall, it's Joel Kinnaman.

He's a fiffy, toughie boy, he's in the ice. And we watch ice fall. It was like out of nowhere, but she read some headline in the Boston Globe that said ice fall was out. And she wanted to be one of the first. first watchers of it. And so yeah, we rocked ice. We watched one though. Normal. Again, the other great thing about mom and dad is they are, they still read newspapers. They get three newspapers every day. Wall Street Journal, Boston Globe, New York Times.

So it is just so many newspapers, piles of newspapers, and they actually read through the whole newspaper. Yeah. There's nothing that they miss in the world. No, they do like that. They do like They're playing a news quiz at the end of the week. They make us administer if we're home. We have to read the news quiz to them. But if they see something, you know, again, they're like old school the way like criticism used to work in a newspaper, which was like, this is a good thing.

We watch this Bob Odenkirk. Now I've got to look it up with the name it was. Normal. Yeah. And again, it was what Mommy would call it. He said, yeah, Bob O'Nkerr plays a Tuffy Boy and he's got to fight off the bad things. This is how she would review it. If you get a newspaper that she's a journalist in.

But it was great. It really was, I mean, it was hit in a way that really sort of surprised all of us. Like, because we were really laughing and, yeah, do love Odin Kirk. Yeah, it's really good. I mean, Bob's great, obviously, friend of the pod. The other thing that's really funny, though, is it is one of those shows, movies. The heroes are cornered often. as good writing would make you lead you leave you leave the amount mom was like what are they going to do

yeah she was very our running joke the whole time was like i think they're screwed yeah this is probably it turn it off yeah um and it is uh the time we were home and the time i was home uh again nothing's better than being home when uh it's a hot red sock summer and it's currently a hot red sock summer yeah Yeah. And it's really, it's a good old throwback to summers of our youth when the Red Sox are decent. And that's kind of a nice, you know, two and a half hour chunk every evening. It's really great. Yeah. I will say there's a, I mean, to get very in the weeds on this right now, I switch them over to sort of televisions where they have one remote for each TV. You used to have multiple. They'd have to change the input. And man, let me just shout out Josh real quick. New remote. also a printout, you printed out how the remote works. Yeah. So there's like a piece of paper.

Yeah. Yeah. And I also, to both of them, I would say, how are you holding the remote? Let me see. Like, it's designed to be held in your right hand so that that right thumb can press the volume up, volume down. Because they would typically hold it in one hand and sort of come down on top of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not built for two hands.

Yeah. But there has been a disagreement between Nesson, the New England Sports Network, that has the Red Sox games and YouTube TV. And because of that, you have to get Nesson 360, which is its own sort of streaming thing. But you can't pause or record on Nesson 360. But this allows you to not record a game, which to me is better because then you can go watch a movie or you. You can go watch a show and you come back, and you just pick up the game in the sixth inning. You don't have to go to the third inning and catch up. You missed.

You missed. And it is, to me, a gift. I second this 100%. Like, Dad was like, can you pause the game? I'm like, sure, I can pause the game. And then we watch a movie. And he's like, should we go to the beginning of game? And I'm like, it's 2-2 in the sixth.

He's like, okay. I'm like, right? Let's just do it. Let's just live our life now. Yeah. Let's be in the present. Sports is weird. Yeah, because when those games are over, like, I'm fighting to keep my eyes open for the end of a baseball game.

Not because I think baseball is boring because they end late and I'm ready for bed. Yeah. How old do we sound right now? I know. You bought them a new TV and I heard the first week you had the new TV, it blew over and broke. Yeah. But now it's held Telled by a wire

But yeah Yeah Yeah I'm just gonna say You have been doing Like you've been Updating mom and dad's house In a way that's really

Noble Yeah I mean next time I go back I have neither The aptitude Or patience for this And so I mostly Just comes from place of grace

I'm so happy I wasn't there On the day You found out that the TV You set up Had blown over In the wind

Because it's on an outdoor porch Screenin porch Yeah It blew over and broke Yeah So that was a bummer But yeah Next time I go home

New washing machine, new fridge It's all happening Amazing Yeah Because that's maybe the worst fridge in the world That they have It's nuts I can't explain why it's

It's the worst fridge And I can't believe What a bad fridge it is Yeah You basically have to like Sit on the floor Anytime you want to look In the refrigerator

To try and find something Yes It's very low And And also, I would say their fridge is 92% half-filled jars of stuff. Yeah. It's a very jar forward. Very jar forward.

And there's no, it's not like, oh, all the like sauces or like, you know, jellies and spreadables. Those are going to be on one section. Every, anything can be anywhere. Yep. There's no rhyme or reason to it. If you take it off the top shelf, you might as well put it back in the bottom shelf. So the person who put it in the top shelf will not be able to find it the next time they look for it. Yeah.

It's a real, it's a real Frankenstein's fridge. It's a real like, Igor, go get, we need an ear. He's like, it's just jars. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I feel like, do you, sorry. My mom and dad just apologies. I know that we're going in pretty hard here.

there's a thing where like they get lunch meat or you know deli meats deli cheeses and like the bag gets low and they're like I got to get more turkey so they get more turkey and then the last

there's like a bag with two slices of turkey and they don't throw that one out they just stack the new turkey on top so that yeah yeah I'm just saying like if you're ever a mom and dad's house and you're like oh there's oh thank God there's some

salami at the bottom like don't eat that salami but the boys uh axel ate more bacon in two days than i think is probably okay yeah we did i got him a new uh a new like bacon cooker as well you're just a son of the year you pointed out you're like hey is this plastic thing that's like bubbling should this you think this is a good idea yeah it's it's it's it's better what you've done is better and i'm very happy to announce a silver medal for me. Oh, you got silver. There you go. Silvering.

Congrats. Very exciting conversation for everybody today. We've got Chris joining us. Yeah, he's got the, that was us, rewatch podcast. Very popular. I mean, we talk about it right off the bat, but a smooth, smooth voice that you go. listen to. Smooth operator.

Yeah. And some great stories and, yeah, fun, fun childhood. Enjoy everybody. Love you, Suvie. Love you, like you. Hey, man. All right. There he is.

How are you? Good. How are you doing, Chris? Very well, thank you. I'm very excited. Smooth. Sometimes voices are so smooth right off the jump that I just have to draw attention to it.

No, let's just talk about it. I just feel like everybody right now, anybody right now is on a long car ride, they're like, oh, I'm in safe hands. I feel like it's better on a microphone. I feel like I'm more grading in person. But I've heard in person it's very grating. They say the difference is jarring.

It's more nasal. It feels nasal. If you first hear Chris on a microphone, try everything you can not to meet him in person. Yeah. It's like talking to a grandmother in person. Yeah, yeah. Like a cartoonish, shrill.

Yeah, constantly. It's like very shrill and loud. Unwrapping hard candies. I got to give you, before we get into this, Chris, I want to give you a quick shout out. I believe you were on it. On the, that was us podcast, our father came on for Operation Delta Dog, a charity that he cares deeply about. Yes. put a lot of his retirement energy into.

Yeah. And you had an episode that dealt with some PTSD stuff, and you guys were nice enough to let him come on and give his spiel. And I think it really helped the organization. And my father's always just looking to spread the word about this charity that sort of pairs, mostly vets with dogs that are rescued out of shelters, and just, yeah, saves a lot of people's lives. and makes life better for the dogs

and certainly better for the vets, and you guys gave them a platform. So thank you so much for that. Yeah, of course. You beat me to the punch. I've been a huge fan of your podcast, and we had Seth on our podcast in early days, and when we had the chance to have your dad on,

we jumped at it because the four of you, your mom included are an excellent, excellent team. Thank you. And my mom really appreciates anytime my dad can talk about, to dogs when she's not within earshot? Yes, yeah. Not because she doesn't love the organization. I would just say she's heard the spiel.

Would you say that's accurate, Posh? Yeah, that's fair. Also, it's very, yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry, I cut you off there. But I am at home right now. I'm in my childhood bedroom. This is where the magic didn't happen. Oh, we'll get him in there.

He's not here. They're out. They're walking the dog. They're walking the dog. There you go. So, Sacramento, young Chris. This is in Sacramento. That's correct.

Grew up right there in the middle. Right there in the middle. You started in Palm Desert and Indio, famously sort of Coachella territory, but not really. Do you have memories from being out there? Back in the 1980s, the Coachella Valley was still the Wild West.

You know, it was a 127 degrees the day I was born, You know, there was nothing, nothing out there. We lived in a little house with no central AC, and my parents drove a VW bug with no AC, and it was literally the Wild West. My dad was a city planner for Palm Desert, and he tells stories about meetings with handguns on tables and burnt out Cadillacs in the desert

and all kinds of wild stuff. So we moved up to Sacramento when I was six years old. All right. Gotcha. And your brother is four years older than you? Or four years younger? Okay, gotcha. So a six-year-old and a two-year-old moved to Sacramento.

And do you have, do you remember feeling sad about leaving India or was it not of the age where you had a connection? No, I think, you know, before the age of reason, it was just a new adventure. And, and yeah, we, we, I don't even remember really having any. I don't really remember having any friends. or anything to leave behind. That's why they had a brother. And we're like, here. Just by blood, you have to.

I'm taking my friend and I'm going north. Yeah, there you go. Did you guys drive? Was that a move that you did in a car? Yeah, yeah, I remember loading the giant, you know, big rig of a moving van. And we drove, whatever it is, the seven or eight hours of Sacramento. And, yeah. And a little, you.

Gold River was your neighborhood, subdivision? Yeah, yeah, it was, it was, you know, kind of, it was tracked housing. You know, we were one of four different models of home there on like the American River. So it was still, it was wild because it was, it was a little pleasantville-ish, but at the same time, they were developing near the American River. So our neighborhood was filled with like packs of wild turkey and rattlesnakes and jackrabbits and deer. And so it was an adventurous place to the land. And was there, was that an excite? Like, was it exciting to see rattlesnakes as a kid?

Yeah. Or was it terrifying. Yeah. We had a, it was, for us kids, it was exciting, which was a problem for the adults. Sure. And there was a team of like two or three dads with garden tools who were like on call, who were like the neighborhood Rattlesnake either removal or extermination. Whispers?

I don't think they call him Rattlesnake Whispers. Yeah, Rhyl Snake Whispers, that's right. Yeah. They would come with like panpipes and flutes and lure them out. Just like an Irish fella who would drive them out. Yeah. You just dance them into the river and the river just washes them away. That's right. That's right. That's right.

City planning seems like such a specific job. Did he take a similar job in Sacramento? He took a vice presidential role in a home building company who was also building like large scale tract homes. So yeah, he studied urban planning and development in college, as did my brother. And so, yeah, it was a step in the more residential. Did he do you think they had a second kid because they were like I think Chris isn't going to be into planning? Yeah This kid is this kid is too emotional Yeah Also he just lined he lined up his matchbox car they're pointing every direction

Yeah I can't get anything together have you seen his Legos is a mess We need somebody a little more level headed and And they got it and they got it all right guys got it yeah Do you think I mean, I imagine if your dad got into that game as a VP of that company in the 80s, there must be whole communities in the Sacramento area that he was sort of fairy, played a big role in playing.

Could you go and be like, this is my dad, this is my dad over here? Yeah, I mean, they're all over California, actually. He was the homebuilding company stretched from SoCal all the way to NorCal. And so, yeah, there are entire, I'd say about a dozen different cities. that he used to visit growing up, to visit all of his communities. My father-in-law was a home builder in New Mexico. Nice.

So I think there's three roads that are named after his children. They're middle names. And I remember. Wait a minute. Alexi driving me out to be like, look, there's Lyndon Ave or whatever. You could do that? I know her middle name's Lyndon. But it's funny because she showed me as an adult.

And I was like, all right. You know what I mean? But then we had kids, and I will say, our kids think it's the coolest thing in the world that there is a street named after their mother. Now that I know this is a possibility, my father's going to be the first phone call after I get off with you, be like,

where's my street? Yeah, because by the way, Sullivan, like Chris, you can't have a Chris Street. That seems like somebody didn't even try, but Sullivan, come on. Yeah. Wait, what's your middle name? Is your middle name a good street name?

Joseph. Christopher. Christopher Street? Christopher Street. Also, Sullivan Street is a, you know. I'll take a lane. I'll take a cul-de-sac. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right, yeah. Christopher Sack. Yay. What, the American River, was that something that you would play in? Was it so big? Could you ford that river? Was it like, hey, stay out of the river. This is dangerous.

What's the... One of the first things they teach you when you move near the river is fording. Okay. One side to the other. A lot of river rafting, a lot of crawfish hunting. I was a Boy Scout growing up, so we spent a lot of time canoeing, kayaking, rafting, a lot of outdoor time. And yeah, the river was kind of central.

And Folsom Lake was kind of at the top of our section of the river. So Folsom Lake was also kind of a draw. I don't know. I mean, I'm a very skittish parent, and I don't know what I would be more afraid of. of kids like living in snake country or kids living by a river? Like did your parents, were your parents like safety conscious

like drilling into the head of you and your brother like how dangerous your surroundings were? Or were they more like kids of the 80s? Like go nuts. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't seem bothered. I'm not realizing I have a lot to talk to my parents about.

They should have been more bothered. One, you should have been more bothers. Two. Two. Where's my street? I'm a street. But you, I mean, you followed through. You're an Eagle Scout, correct?

That's correct. That is correct. What age is that? When does it culminate Eagle Scout, like, when you officially? You know, it's a race. It's a race to beat puberty is what it is. Because as you get older, you're like, the more older you get, you're like, Boy Scouts, huh?

You're still a Boy Scout. And you have to kind of like beat, you. have to beat your interest in girls to Eagle Scout. And so... Well, it's funny, one of my closest friends was an Eagle Scout, and he didn't just beat it for himself. I do remember he beat it for his peer group. Like, we went...

It felt like what I believe a modern Bar Mitzvah is. It was a huge shindig when he got Eagle Scout. And you're right, like, six months later, we would have been like, boom! That's right. And luckily, you know, there's this... troop in in Sacramento, at least when I was growing up, that had really involved parents who were all very outdoorsy, hunters, fishermen.

There was even a husband and wife team that were professional survivalists. And so they kept us really interested and we got to do really cool things, a lot of like rock climbing and like 50 mile backpack trips. And so there was a group of like four or five of us who all made it to Eagle Scout around the age of 16. and three of those guys went on to be like special forces in the in the military like they all took that kind of you know one of my best friends ryan became a lieutenant colonel in in the marine corps so like it is funny when you think about like what do you want out of your marines you don't want someone who like you know was smoking cigarettes at 14 you want a 14 year old who was like learning how to tie knots yeah someone just gave up at webelows

Yeah. Oh, man. You don't want that. Yeah, you don't want a cubs scout. But it is funny, like, how often, like, a cool adult in order to reach that, Zenith had to be, like, kind of dorky at certain points in their youth in order to have the things that were important. Like, again, you know, you don't, you want to, if you're stuck, if your plane goes down and you have to go into survivalist mode, you want somebody who was like, I got all the badges.

While you guys were, while you were snickering, we got all the badges. Yeah, someone who was eventually flying helicopters at like a presidential level. Yeah. And his childhood spent a lot of time in a kerchief, you know? Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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What's that? I like a neighborhood. Yeah, me too. You know what I mean? I like to feel like I'm traveling and I'm amongst the locals. I'm not near a chain restaurant that I have in my hometown, but I'm by a cafe that only those who live there and walk those cobbled streets are familiar with. And so when Alexi and I went to Paris on a vacation, we booked an apartment on Airbnb. What neighborhood were you in, Sufi?

We were in the Marais, Pasha. Oh, the Marais. And if you haven't been to the Marais, I don't even know how to describe it to you. You know what they call it in Paris? What's that? La Marais. Or Le Marais. You've been.

I haven't, but I would love to. And let me just tell you that it's just wonderful. You know what I mean? You're just in a home that the owners have taken great care and attention to make comfortable for you on your vacation. And you're just amongst everyone, you're a me. That's friend, Pashi. Oh, you're a me.

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Were you sort of an outdoorsy family? Yeah, I would say my father is more outdoorsy than my mom, but my mom joined it. Like she's not an outdoorsy person per se, but she knew that we were, and so she would do it. We went on a couple of camping trips, but I think kind of the biggest or the most kind of epic, first family outdoor trip that we took was to Yosemite,

which was about four hours away from Sacramento. and it was like entering Middle Earth as a 12-year-old. You know, it was like landing on another planet. If I've heard it's gotten a little over-populated these days. But if you haven't been to Yosemite, it's worth the trip. So that's a 12- and an 8-year-old, and you're both equally excited about Yosemite? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Bikes, hiking, running around in the rivers, all that stuff. It was great. Were you camping? Were you in tents for that trip? Yes, yeah, we did. Well, car camping. You know, you pull right up to the spot and pitch your tent and cook all your food over. In one of those, there are those campgrounds sort of in, I think it's the valley of the Giants.

And it's like upper pine, lower pine. Not the pre-setup tents. We brought our own tent setups. Yeah. So, yeah, there's like three options at Yosemite. You can stay at the hotel or in like the canvas. nice what would I guess be considered glamping although it's yeah those are your kind of things they're not full yurts but they're yeah yeah and then bring

your own stuff and and use the bear box type camp yeah yeah the bear box is uh that's where you keep your food that the bear can't get in yeah yes it's like a big hope chest for your hot dog buns that's fantastic see again and this is the difference between Josh and I the minute you say there's something called a bear box I'm out. Why don't we need a bear box? Yeah, I'm like, uh, is that a, so everybody gets a free bear? Is there a bear in the bag?

Yeah. So we don't have to worry because the bear's in the box. Yeah, you keep the, at night, you keep your bears in the box. Right, the bears put themselves in a box, they lock it from the inside. Yeah. And then you ride them up the trails during that. That's right. Were you, uh, at 12 and 8, were you, uh, were you going on like,

big hikes were you uh getting out of that valley yeah we would we would make it make it up to the falls or or you know not nothing terribly long for for my brother but you know i was i was off most of the day by myself you know i'd take i'd take the bike and my my bike and put pearl jam on the headphones and oh yes just just rip man just tear it just feel it all it is so again you take out how cool, like again, when Pearl Jam is making those albums, so cool, and then like a lot of people are listening to them while they're not doing cool shit. That's right.

That's right. Is that how it works? When they're getting huge air on their trek coffee, you know, whatever it was. I remember when I was in high school in Pearl Jam was big, I tried to get tickets to a Pearl Jam show just by calling Ticketmaster over and over and over, the sort of day they went on sale. And I told my like first girlfriend ever, I was like, hey, I got tickets to Pearl Jam And she was like, you did?

And I was like, what? And it was just like she didn't think I was cool enough to even get tickets. Oh, but you got through? You actually got through to ticket master on the phone and got tickets. I think I don't think we went. Yeah, I have no memory of you going to see Prognum. I will say, at that age, it is impressive that you figured out, like, who to call, how to call, how to pay. Yeah.

And then you had the monkey. Maybe I didn't get through. Maybe I'm remembering. It does, yeah. But I'm confident that my girlfriend at the time. I was like, no. And I'm confident. It sounds like she was right.

Yeah. Like, the more you tell this story, you're like, and then she didn't believe in me. We're like, did you get tickets? You're like, I don't think so. I started with she didn't believe in me. I bought a Pearl Jam CD. That's what it was.

Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, that's what it was. But I couldn't play it on my tape deck. No. Did you, were you and your brother close with a four-year age gap? You know, it was just wide enough to be combative at times. We never were at the same school

at the same time. But yeah, that window in the 12th to 8 was where we were able to kind of cross over and be interested and capable. I think capabilities were similar. It is nice, I think, when I watch my oldest and my youngest, which is three and a half. I think she loves, obviously,

hanging out with an older sibling. And he kind of digs how he gets to be exponentially cooler than he is amongst his own age group. And so I think 12 and 8 might be the peak of that. Again, a lot changes with puberty from what I hear. Yeah, yeah. I've got a six-year-old and a three-year-old. Gotcha, gotcha.

Yeah. We're figuring all that. We have a six-year-old boy named Bear. Bear's guy. And a three-year-old lady named Eiffa. It is Eiffa and I. Irish name? It is. It is. It's all vowels except for the F. Yeah. All right. Yeah. It's not everybody sound off in the comments. How do you think it's spelled? Because based on all Irish spellings,

it's not what you think. How is EFA spelled? A-O-I-F-E. Oh, come. Wow. Where'd you, how'd you, how'd you land on that? Well, it was, there was a lot of debate. I'll tell you that much. You had some extra money. No one's just like, E-F-A. Yep, E-F-A. It was a name. My wife and I took part of our honeymoon in Ireland. And it was a name that we heard. It's a historical queen of Ireland. And the name in Ireland is actually fairly common. It's almost like a Jennifer in Ireland. It's, it's, and we went back and forth and back and forth and tried to, we showed it to our friends. How would you say this name? How would you pronounce this name? And certain people had heard it before, there's a cup, there's a wonderful musician named Eiffa O'Donovan who, who,

some people had heard of. But the first time we took IFA out in public, she was born in October. In December, my alma mater invited us to like a Christmas tree lighting ceremony at Loyola Marymount. And the Alumni Association made name tags for the whole family. And the lady who was handing out our name tags goes, Chris and Rachel, and there's one for Little Bear and Adolf.

I mean, it's a beautiful name. And I think, I think little Adolf is going to learn to love. My wife's face, she was holding her and just she just walked away. She's like, here's the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario. Yeah. With this name. But this woman, this woman thought what, that someone was taking the name back?

Yeah, yeah. No, we're reclaiming it. We're reclaiming it. And we thought the best way to reclaim it would be give it to a little girl. girl. No girl. Yeah. No girl. I will say if when, because at some point, you know, you're going to, I apologize in advance for this, you're going to get a little griefa. But especially because you gave your son like a real, I mean, you gave your son the easiest to spell. Yes. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, you could have at least given him the Irish spelling of bear, which I'm sure has like no E or A. Or a B. Yeah. Or B. Yeah. Or B. Yeah. Um, uh, that is, it is very funny. Like, I like, Baron Ifa is really, I mean, just like two different sets of parents came up with those. Yes.

Yeah. Really fun. I like that there was a, so there's a Queen Ifa, which is so in Ireland, correct? Yes. Yes. What do you think I think every time I hear Queen Ifa, Pasha? Queen Ifa? I just think Queen Latifah, because it's pretty much. Oh. Yeah. And you thought I would lock into that? I kind of did. But again, you're not.

I already gave me a thumbs down for my grief, a joke. We might not be in sync today, Pajie. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe not. So other, did you have grandparents that were nearby or where were they? You know, I only ever met one grandparent. Okay.

And she was nearby. But she never really traveled with us. She was older by the time we were living in Sacramento. So, yeah, the generationally speaking, generationally speaking, the Irish don't tend to spread out too far. The generations tend to pass away a little sooner for some reason. Yeah. So what were other trips that you would take if they weren't Yosemite,

weren't camping things? Would you guys go anywhere? We went, my mom grew up in Southern California, so we did our annual Disneyland trips. almost every year we would go. There's a lot of them were really wonderful. There's still one that's kind of epic that I still, I love to talk about because I didn't understand it for a long time until I became a parent.

They woke us up at four in the morning, get in the car, you go for the seven-hour drive from Sacramento to Disneyland. By the time we got to Disneyland, my and my brother were such a problem that my mom was like if you don't knock it off i'm gonna we're gonna pack up and go home and of course we didn't believe that we literally pull our luggage into the into the hotel room and we are so nuts bouncing off the walls bouncing off the beds we packed up the car and drove seven hours back to sacramento wow i couldn't believe it i was like it happened wow i mean by the way i have so much respect for parents because one thing.

And Josh will second this. We do not follow through on threats in the Myers. It was the biggest follow through of all time. It's because of the personal cost to them. Yes. Now, I still can't believe it. Were you because I think one of the reasons we would not follow through on this threat is I think the capacity for certainly my middle, Axel, to scream for seven hours. is bottomless.

But it seems to me that maybe they got you in absolute shock that it was happening. Not a peep for seven hours. Back home. The quietest, most uncomfortable car ride you can imagine. Now, do you think, in the future, do you think this paid off?

This is the part I want to hear. Do you think that the fact that you then knew... 100% that paid off. Just, oh my God, this is such a... Lesson learned. I know. I'm so impressed. I wish I could do it.

Do you think there was a moment, like maybe the first 15 minutes or half hour that you were like, this isn't, we're, this, they're just trying to get control of the situation? Or do you think you knew right away, like, oh, they... I think I knew right away. I think I knew. And it was your mom? Your mom was the hammer? Yeah, it was my mom. while it was like, this is different. Oh, this is different.

And was she always sort of the disciplinarian? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, she was, she had taken a break from working to raise us. And so she was definitely the front line of those types of movements. Yeah. Right. They were rare, but I guess you only need the one. That's amazing. That's like burning your hand on the stove. It's like, yeah. You do it once, and it's like, I got it. That's right. Yeah, the degree of burn.

Do you recall, like, what exactly you and your brother were doing, or you were just super excited and you're just being terrors? Yeah, like, like, WWE, off the top rope, you know, one bed to the other, you know, just. And there must, I mean, don't get me wrong. As every parent knows, what everybody else sees and remembers is the last moment, but they don't see all the little cracks along the way. So everything looks irrational when you're like carrying your child over your shoulder at a park. It looks like a kidnapping.

It looks like a kidnapping to other people. You're like, no, no, no. This is, this was a long time coming. Well, that's the thing about once you have kids, you're like, I see a dude like dragging a kid by the back of the shirt. I'm like, 100% asking for it. Yeah. You watch like some 21-year-old being like, you're not allowed to do that. I'm like, you shut up.

No, no. My drone business. All right. So now we'll let you get to other trips, but we have to sort of. No, as I was making my list of notes. Which we appreciate, yeah. Yes, of course. Any other future guests.

I still to this day, I almost can't believe how great this trip was because it seems ill-conceived, but it was one of our greatest trips. My mom is really good at planning family trips. And this one seemed like a misstep, but it worked. And we went as a family of four when I was 21, so that made my brother 18, 19, to Las Vegas. And at the time, I was like, well, that's not a place you go with your parents. It's a place to party and a place to do whatever people do in Vegas. I don't know what people do in Vegas.

I've heard that strange things happen in Vegas. And it turned out to be an incredible trip. How old again were you? Sorry? I was like 21, 22. The age of like, I'm not going to Vegas with my parents. But they're paying for it and we're going to go and it's going to be a great thing. That's it.

You know, we just did a, we did a live taping, and somebody was like, what's the secret? How did your parents get you to take vacations with them when you were adults and were like, paid for it? Yeah. Let's not get fancy about it. They'd be like, they'd pick a place, and they'd pay for it, and we would go because we were at that age, right?

We were young actors and, you know. Yeah, we stayed at the New York, New York, you know, and they offered my brother and I, they said, we were going to give you $100,000, dollars a day to gamble with. Gamble with it? Don't gamble with it. Do what you want. And we were there for a week. We were there for seven days. And we're like, this is okay, all right. And so every morning we'd wake up, we'd have breakfast. We'd go. And as a family, we would find the $5 a hand blackjack tables. And we would kind of take over the table and we'd play a little blackjack. And then we saw all the shows.

and we ate all the great food. And then my mom surprised us. A limousine picked us all up and took us to Las Vegas Motor Speedway where we all got to do eight laps in an open-wheel indie racer. Whoa. We happened to see that one of my favorite bands

at the time, this Irish punk band named Flogging Molly was playing at the House of Blues. And so we went and saw them. My dad and I went and my brother went and saw them. And like, I was like, oh, there's a lot. a lot of things going on during the day in Vegas. There's a lot of fun things to do. And yeah, to this day, it was just wonderful.

We did it, posh. We did it. Yeah. We had sort of both been to Vegas, you know, as young men and sort of done that. And then our parents were coming out to Los Angeles to visit me. And I forget if you were already in L.A. at that point, Seth, just for the summer maybe. But we rented a big car and we went out there. I like, I've never felt better in Los Angeles, in Las Vegas. We would wake up, not hung over.

Like, they pump that extra oxygen in. And it's like, so now, like, I haven't been drinking to a point of, like, wicked inebriation. And I just feel better. And we would, like, go to a spa. We played golf. We would, like, sit at the pool and order food and, like, have lunch out there. We'd gamble a little. We'd see a show.

And it's really like, oh, this is. different and this is lovely yeah yeah there's so much going on yeah truly um would when you got the hundred dollars a day would that be given in a lump sum at the beginning of the week or was that every morning you would every morning every that's how they keep you around well yeah i mean that's smart that's good paula so when you later as an actor god per diem you're like wow this is like going to Vegas with your parents it's incredible and everybody else is like what are you talking about Just like Vegas. Vancouver's great.

This is, were you like surprised? I mean, again, this is so much about, I mean, first of all, we know your mom, we've established she's the hammer, but now we see that she's also the velvet glove because, I mean, just taking such good care. Were you surprised your mom was like, I know your favorite band and I have booked this? Or were you surprised when your mom's like, we're going to race car? laps. I was surprised that she picked Vegas. So everything after that was just more surprised.

Yeah. Vegas period was like, this is the choice, huh? Like, we had gone, we had taken a family trip a few years earlier when I graduated high school to Hawaii, which was a big, you know, the big trip of those couple years. And there was always, the trips were always so well planned. that, I mean, I guess I'm not even realizing how well-planned they are until, you know, I am now having to, I'm on the verge of, you know, there's no vacations. There's no vacations with a six-year-old and a three-year-old. There's only relocations. Yeah, right, right, right. Let's take all of this equipment and we'll move it over to this city. Right. And it's a six, right, the success is just, it's not about any of the joy. It's just that you actually successfully executed. We've done it. We found a new interesting place to eat snacks.

Yeah. And so, yeah, just picking Vegas itself was kind of, I was like, wow, kind of punk rock. Nice, mom. All right. Yeah. And would you say that she, when it was over, patted herself on the back for what a rad choice she'd made? Yeah. And we did too, I think. I think it was like one of the first. maybe like adult moments where we looked at our parents like you know this was great yeah yeah this was really nice um where were you living at the time were you away at school where was i living at the time i think i might have been on tour i okay so i right it might have been right before that after after

college i i knocked around l.a for a bit trying to you know be an actor and ended up only getting theater gigs, ironically enough, and then hit the road with a Broadway one-man show called Defending the Caveman. Sure. Yeah. That I toured on and off for four years that eventually landed me in Chicago where I lived. So we were wondering how you found your way to I-O. So it was with Defending Caveman.

Yeah. So after we did a few laps around the country playing like big theaters, like 2,500, 3,000-seat theaters, And the audiences started to get smaller and smaller. I ended up at doing sit-down run at a theater called the Lakeshore Theater at Broadway and Belmont. I think it's a laugh factory now. And I did like a year-long run in that like 300-seat theater. So a sit-down run is a touring show that basically parks somewhere. Yeah.

Yeah. We parked it there for as long as we could sell tickets. And then by the end of that run, I was like, I'm not leaving. This is, I live here now. And, yeah. That's fantastic. So, defending the caveman had a real moment where I feel like that was, you know, a show whether or not you saw. Yeah.

You know, it was, I don't know, it was like that book, Men are for Mars, right? Yeah, exactly. We were aware of it. It was right on the heels of that era, right? And it was also at the end of the 80s comedy boom. Yeah. And the author, Rob Becker kind of like, was. was a stand-up comedian in the 80s.

And then as the boom was ending, he decided, well, these comedy clubs are closing. I'm going to write a show that I can do. And he would take it to comedy clubs and say, don't close. Let me do my show here. And he would keep, he kept a comedy club in Dallas open for like six months longer than it was supposed to be.

And then they upgraded to a small theater in Chicago. And then it went to Broadway for however many years. And then he toured it around the country for another decade. And the man, I mean... God love him. The man owns 30 acres in Marin County. Good for him. Yeah.

And so how many shows would you do in a year when you were touring with a show like that? I mean, I've performed it over, I performed it over a thousand times. Wow. In the four years. Yeah. And was it, and did you feel like you got to see the country by doing it in a way that was enjoyable or was it all work? This is the life being wasted on the youth.

Yeah. I've been to 35 states, you know, and I did not see as much of those cities as I should have. I had all day. I had all, God-deam day. Yeah, and you knew the show. Yeah. And I was, you know, but I was 25, 26, 27, and was not. did not have the adventurous head on my shoulders that I should have.

So there's a little bit of regret there, but now I'm more well. Did you, I mean, I'm assuming you weren't getting 30 acres in Marin money, but was it a pretty good job for a young actor? You know, it was, it was, I got my PhD in stage time. Yeah, that's the best. You know, I was like, I was on stage in front of big crowds, memorizing, you know, an 85-page monologue. And so that muscle is strong.

It paid more than I had ever been paid. And then when I got my first agent after that, and I told them how much I was getting paid, they almost had a heart attack and died. So let's just say I was, I thought I was making a lot of money. We weren't making that much money. There is a thing where, I know this time is to all of us, right?

where when people not in our business are like, wait, your agent gets 10% of your money. And the thing I was telling him is like, I would accept 30% of what I get paid today if it wasn't for my agent. Like I would be just like you. Like somebody would be like, this is what we pay for defending the caveman. You're like, fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Also, that thing of like, it was so easy in my 20s for somebody to pay me more than I'd ever been paid.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like more than the... It's the easiest number to hit. Yeah. And what if there's free Red Bulls? Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, great.

And lunch? If you had to do an 8 o'clock curtain tonight, how would you be? I'd make it three lines in. That's it? I've wiped that hard drive. But I bet, I mean, if you had an 8 o'clock curtain a week from now, I bet you could get on it. I could get through some of it, probably. Yeah.

Probably. But yeah, it was, it was excellent, an excellent performance training round. Were you the only, at that point, were there multiple defending the cavemen on tour? Or was it just you? Yeah, it was myself and one other actor. And then after a couple of years, they brought on like three or four more guys to do these smaller runs, including my best friend, Isaac, who's, who's an actor up in Portland, Oregon. And yeah, we would all bounce around the country and I would help train them. And it was, but landing in Chicago was the best.

I mean, that's where I got my first agent. That's where I jumped into I. And got some of the best acting classes of my life. And who's your era of I.O.? Who do we know that it's there? So I was, my teachers were, you know, Susan Messing, Joe Bill. Yeah, yeah. Jimmy Corain.

And then on stage at the time, Vanessa Bayer was there. Paul, Britain. I was coming up in classes with John Berenholz. Oh, yeah, Johnny. The funny Barronholtz. Such a shame when it happens like that where one of them gets all the chops or anyone. The other one just eats them. Thomas Middle Ditch.

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I like a neighborhood. Yeah, me too. You know what I mean? I like to feel like I'm traveling and I'm amongst the locals. I'm not near a chain restaurant that I have in. in my hometown, but I'm by a cafe that only those who live there and walk those cobbled streets are familiar with. And so when Alexei and I went to Paris on a vacation, we booked an apartment on Airbnb. What neighborhood were you in, Sufi?

We were in the Moray, Pashi. Oh, the Moray. And if you haven't been to the Marais, I don't even know how to describe it to you. You know what they call it in Paris? What's that? La Marais. Or Le Merey, one of those. You've been.

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What can you tell us about that Hawaii trip? Anything stand out? That was one of those. So Hawaii on the Big Island has one of the, has one of the biggest, or at the time had one of the biggest hotels in the world. And it was one of those, one of those vacations. where everything was included and we were a little older and so we could wander around and I

I would sleep I think I stayed of the week we were there I stayed like two nights in the hotel room I would go they had these hammocks out on the Oh okay I thought you were just like meeting local girls And then I would just No no no you got to remember

I'm an Eagle Scout so I was hammocking I literally would sleep out on the beach and I might have fallen in love a little bit with, you know, they had the teenage club there, you know, you get the, and would you, so would you be separate from your family for a lot of the day and then maybe come together for dinner? Yeah, I mean, my brother would go and get in trouble and, and then run back and have meal, we'd have meals together and there was a snorke, you know, we went snorkeling. They had, they had, you know, looking back now, it's like one of these hotels. else that has a little tiny lagoon in the middle with a couple of dolphins. Or just like, how the, we end up here? Yeah. Of all the places.

This is way out. Yeah. The ocean is right there. Yeah. It's right there. But yeah, it was the first place I ever, it was, even growing up in California, I was, listen, I'm Irish. We're not fun in the sun type people. Yeah, nor my.

Everyone else in my family gets real tan and I'm, I get ready. I mean, if you're watching this podcast right now, you and I look sunburned just on the podcast. We're inside. Yeah, I'm not sunburned, and I look sunburn. And we're already sunburned. Whereas I'm just like glowing. Yeah, you really are.

The golden light coming from the center square. I learned surfing for the first time, you know, Which was... How were you? You know what? I was 19. I was at the peak of my physical form, right? I was a competitive tennis player growing up, so I had a lot of upper body strength. Still, the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I was not good at it. And it was the most exhausting 30 minutes of my life. I watched... My wife has late in life... But just started to learn how to surf. And we've gone on vacations where I will watch her surf. And I enjoy watching. But it's just like, I don't know, what is it when they say the juice isn't worth the squeeze?

Like, it's so much time swimming out for, like, ultimately what is a very short wave part of it. Yeah. Whereas when you mentioned tennis, I'm like tennis, I told, like, I've started playing tennis. I love that because it's like you can just play, you play for an hour. It's not like, oh, let's go play tennis. How do you do it? Well, you've got to climb up that mountain and then you got hope that some tennis balls come. And don't die.

Whatever you do, don't die. Right, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. No enduring tennis is like, just FYI, there's a strong undernet today. Yeah. Don't get too close to the net. It'll suck you in. And then you're going to die in that net. Yeah. We'll have to get the tennis coach to come get you. I pull you out. So did you, was that, was it a pretty short time in your life that you were surfing? Oh, by the way, that's my daughter. She's going to say hi real quick.

Oh, yeah. Let's say hi. Well, no, you can't talk. You just have to say hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. You want to look in the camera? We can't even see you. She's going to say hi real quick to her uncle.

And this is my friend Chris. Hi, Patty. Hi, Addy. How are you? Hey, Addy. This is our friend Chris. You want to say hi to Chris? How are you?

What are you doing today? You went biking the other day, but what happened? I felt all my bike. Was it a nice sunny day when you went biking? No. What kind of day was it? Rainy. Oh, no.

And what happened when it started to rain? I fell off my bike Yeah Oh no You seem fine You don't look too dinged up Are you okay now? Yeah

Yeah yeah Yeah Ready to get back on the bike All right goodbye Thank you Bye bye bye bye booby That was great Bye bye

Bye bye Nice stop by Bye poshi Is that Bye honey So Pashi Sufi Am I booby?

I don't know I think booby Could just be anyone In general If you want to be boobie You can I would love to have A boobie in the house

Just FYI. It's spelled B-A-I-O-E-F. Pashi Sufi and B-Bi-U-Bi in the morning. Hey, Bubi, how was your weekend? Yeah. But did you surf anymore? Was that it? That was it, bud.

Yeah, that's it. You know what? And I was like, I'll stick to the land. Yeah. Yeah. Smart. You're Billy Bout Thornton, Landman. Yeah, as for as big, as big, I mean, I'm 6'4.

I was a big kid. Everybody tried to get me into every sport. And I played one day of football and was like, yeah, yeah, absolutely not. How, but you were a good tennis player? Yeah, I was. I was a, I was a ranked junior player coming through. And then I went to Loyola, Marymount, and played on scholarship for a year. and then realized that being a professional tennis player

was about as wise as becoming a professional actor. Yeah. It does, by the way, it does seem like the solitary life of a professional tennis player is probably very in line with defending the caveman on Twitter. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, I picked up the tennis version of acting, which is me and the audience just hitting the ball back.

forth, you know? But you only went, you are the only one with the winners. Yeah, listen, man. You were just smashing the winner. That's right. One ace after another. And your kids, do they, I mean, we talked about basically, again, you're not on vacations right now, you're just moving your kids to other places.

But are they, do they travel okay? We're getting there. We just took our first trip that was like, you know, it was easy when they were babies. You can move them, you know, you can move them around and they don't kill. where they are and everything's fine. But now, you know, we just took our first trip for Bear's birthday that felt maybe like the first real family trip, if I can name the podcast. We did a day at Legoland for his birthday.

Ooh, how was it? You know, it was all right, Seth. Which Lego Land is it? I feel like there's multiple Lego Land. The one in Southern California in Carlsbad. Yeah. It's wonderful. It is, it is, it is, Lego Land is part carnival, part county fair, part amusement park, and, and all LEGOs all the time.

Which is great. He loved it. I was going to say there must be, I bet there's a healthy dose of capitalism in there. Yeah. Oh, my God. You wouldn't believe it. You couldn't believe it. and and then we moved we moved the wagon down the road and we did a day at the san diego zoo

oh great oh nice you know bounced them around to a bunch of hotels and they did well and it was nice and and uh they enjoyed their snacks everywhere we went great about the snacks yeah but up until then it was i was like every every time we moved them i'm like never again this this is a new kind of hell like every trip i always i always i mean i've told the story so many times but we went to when the kids were like young we took them to miami direct flight from new york and i said to alexia i'm like this is it like i think we should just until they get older we should never go farther than this and then the next year she said i want to go to uruguay which is miami layover and then like twelve hour flight and then 12 hours yeah yeah but then when you get there it's uh same weather as

Miami so it's worth it with less room service but cool trees, cool trees why, hold on, hold on, hold on, why Uruguay? I don't know. We had, he's not in charge, Chris.

We're not, we don't, we don't communicate great so I still don't quite know why we went. It was, I'm selling it short. I actually would say of, of, of places I've been in the last 10 years, most spectacular place I've been. I just wish our kids have been a little older. That's the way.

Better than the Grand Canyon. Oh, yeah, dude. Come on. Yeah, okay. I mean, so I mean, Legoland, Great American River on a, after a flood. Full of snakes on Snake Day at the Great American.

What's it called? What's it called? What's it called? American River. The American River. Yeah. It's the Great American Snake Day. Yeah.

Great American Snake Day at the, River. Head on down to the river for the Great American Snake Day. You can stick your hand in the water and come out with a snake. You get a snake and you've got a snake. You get a snake. This is a, have you enjoyed being a podcast host yourself? Yes. Yeah. I have, uh, I, yeah, we, um, we share producers, which is lovely. Yeah. Yeah. Good group. Good group. Shout out Sam. Shout out rabbit grin. Yeah, that's right. Um, and it's definitely been new muscle. You know, the art, the art of, you know, what you do, Seth and Pashi, the art of conversation, the art of keeping the conversation going, the art of appearing interested, is... Josh, Josh really has to work that muscle with me.

Just with you, not with our guests. I'm always... No, not with our guests, just with me. Just go dead-eyed in the intros. You fancy yourself a social person, you know, and then you're like, oh, this is a is a different thing. This is a different thing. And it needs to be treated differently. But yeah, we've really enjoyed it. And, you know, Mandy and Sterling and I just kind of didn't want our show to end. You know, when This Is Us ended, it ended prematurely by the network standards. They would have taken us for a few more seasons. Yeah. By the way, the rarest of outcomes in modern television is that. Yeah.

You know, usually it's the other way around where you've got a, you got one or two more stories to tell. And the network's like, we're good. Yeah, it worked out. And Dan, and they had such a nice ending planned for the show. And it went just as planned. And but we weren't ready for it to end either. And so when we started the rewatch podcast, called That Was Us. Please Like and Subscribe.

It was just a chance to hang out. It was a chance for us to see each other. I tell you, it's the best. That's the secret, delicious part of doing these is that. It's getting a hang out. Because you guys are on opposite coast, right? We are, we're opposite coast, but we're making the most of our time together virtually. Yeah.

This is so lovely, Chris, and now Josh is going to hit you with our speed round questions. Great. All right, here we go. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational? I'll go adventurous. What is your favorite means of transportation? Car.

Great. Nice. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? You know, I made a lot of notes for the podcast, and I listened to the podcast a lot. And so I even knew this question was coming, and I didn't. It's a hard one. Yeah. I didn't postulate an answer for this one.

but I will say I will say Taylor Goldsmith and Mandy Moore We vacation well together and I would definitely do that Excellent If you had to be stranded on a desert island With one member of your family

Who would it be? I will say I would say my son bare Great What is your dream destination For a family vacation? We have been trying to go to Japan

for a long time. My wife and I, before we had kids, and we've had two fully planned trips to Tokyo. My best friend from high school lives there, has lived there for a decade. And the last one that we had planned was foiled by something called COVID-19. We got that too.

Ours was foiled by that. Yeah. And so my, ironically, I didn't think that it would be a great place to take kids, but our kids for some reason won't eat a chicken nugget, but they love a raw piece of yellow tail. And so it's a very expensive thing to like. So you've got to go on vacation somewhere where that's the chicken nugget, where that's priced. Yeah, yeah, I will take a dozen nugs. And so, yeah, so I think that's where we would like to go maybe in a couple more years

when they're a little more communicative and a little less schizophrenic. Yeah, and when they might remember it. Yes, yeah, definitely memories are gonna be a thing. You are from your hometown of Sacramento. If you had to get more families to come visit Sacramento, what would you say about that city? I would say that Sacramento is on the way

to a lot of cool places. All right. So it's a, if you're, if you're headed to San Francisco from the east, stop by. Hey, if you're going to Tahoe from the west, stop in. Stay a night or two. You know, check out Sutter's Fort. There's, you know, there's some historical things that are really cool about Sacramento. Obviously, the gold rush started in Sacramento at Sutter's Fort.

As every fourth grader in Sacramento knows on your field trip to Sutter's Fort. So yeah, there's a lot of cool history there while you're on your way to your vacation. To your chosen destination. Seth has our final questions. Well, it's clear from how Chris discussed it earlier. He knows the Grand Canyon's dog shit, but I'll ask anyway. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? I haven't.

I was setting you up for you. Do you want to go? Yes, yes, I will. I mean, he's an Eagle Scout. An Eagle Scout got to go to the Grand Canyon. What's the point of being an Eagle Scout if you don't go to the Grand Canyon? That's right. Listen, there's a portion of the Grand Canyon.

I'll tell you this. My friend went on a six-day rafting trip down the Grand Canyon with his mom. And again, it was one of these trips where he was like, this is a gamble. This is a roll of the dice. We're going to get on a raft for six days. And he said it was great, Seth. He said they had sent rafts ahead and they would set up your camp for you. and they would cook for you.

And he goes, and even as a flex on like the fifth day, they whipped out ice cream. So I think if I was going to see the Grand Canyon, that's how I'd like to see it. All right. Yeah. That works.

Thank you so much, Chris. This was delightful talking to you. That was us as a podcast with Sterling and Mandy. All good people. It's a good people podcast. I'm a big fan, you guys. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

Thanks. Our pleasure. Great to meet you. Have a good day. Love to bear. Yeah. And IFA. Come on.

Yeah, and I already was worried I was going to say her off. And also, yeah, say how to eat off while you're at. Whichever one you choose. Whichever one you choose. It doesn't have to be that one. It's up to you. It's your daughter. It's your daughter. Yeah. Bye, buddy.

Thank you. Thank you, Chris. Have a going.