Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - CONNIE BRITTON Went to Singing Eagle Lodge

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Connie Britton Joins Seth and Josh on the podcast this week! She talks all about what it’s like having a fraternal twin sister, growing up going to Singing Eagle Lodge sleep away camp, the skiing incident that scarred her for life, what motherhood in Nashville has been like, COVID-19 experiences filming The White Lotus in Maui, and more! Plus, Connie talks about her new Hallmark reality series “The Motherhood. Watch more Family Trips episodes: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlqYOfxU_jQem4_NRJPM8_wLBrEEQ17B6 Family Trips is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Theme song written and performed by Jeff Tweedy. Visit BaltimoreBaltimore is just a short drive or train ride from New York, Philly, and D.C. Plan your visit today at Baltimore.org Baltimore: You won’t get it ‘til you get here!” Ancient NutritionRight now, Ancient Nutrition is offering 25% off your first order when you go to AncientNutrition.com/tripsBeamVisit https://shopbeam.com/TRIPS and use code TRIPS to get our exclusive discount of up to 35% off. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi, Bajie. Hi, Sufi. You know, we were talking about how we're taking this trip to Amsterdam, and I feel like we've not talked enough about the apartment we shared in Amsterdam. The one over the Schwarma place? Yeah, was that one over a Schwarma place, the one near Ferdinand Bolstrat? Yeah.

And I lived there first, I had a roommate, and then the roommate moved out and you moved in. I feel like I was a cool older brother. I took the bad room. Yeah, your creature comforts are, you don't need much. It's kind of like, I need what a creature needs. Yeah.

When you say creature comforts, I need like a little bit of food and a little needs. Yeah. That's why, when you say creature, Gunn-Verz, I need like a little bit of food and a little bit of water. And like- I don't need sunlight. Right. I don't need a window. Like a ripped up blanket that you could like curl into, that's good for you.

Yep. I mean, I think I did have a mattress on the floor. Yeah. And it was a light on a little table. There was no window. But I will, so I, I mean, I, you know, I knew two things. One, I knew I'd be fine with that

and I would have felt terrible if you had been in there. I wouldn't have been, you know, you're my little brother and I wouldn't have wanted you to sleep like you were, you know, an imprisoned Nelson Mandela, which is ultimately what that — Yeah. What I feel like that room felt like. Do you have fond memories of that apartment?

I don't have a lot of memories from that apartment. I don't think we were there very long together. I also don't have — I will say, trying to figure out where to stay on our trip. And I'm gonna be at an Airbnb. I'm very excited about. And I wanna pick the right one, obviously, because it's the first time Ash is seeing Amsterdam. But then I realized none of the weekend

is gonna be us in the apartment. Right. And so much of our life in Amsterdam, because of what age we were, we were almost us in the apartment. Right. And so much of our life in Amsterdam, because of what age we were, we were almost never in our apartments. Yeah. So I think part of not having any memories of it was the very fact that we would wake up and then we would leave,

and we wouldn't come back until late at night. Yeah. It will be nice to be in a nice Airbnb for the wake up and the go to bed though. Yeah. In the between times like, we might be charging pretty hard on these days and there might need to be the occasional midday nap. There are some gaps in the schedule before dinners and whatnot, where you might be able to just like get on a couch and watch any of the three versions of music TV that are on.

Ashes doing that thing you get really excited about when you're bringing your kid to Europe, is he's asking questions like, do they have TVs? Yeah. Yeah. So not about that. When we were there, they had MTV. Yeah. TMF, which was the music factory.

Yeah. Late 90s, a lot of things were factories in pop culture. And The Box, which was also music TV. The Box. Also, I wonder if you're up late night, I don't know if they still have these in Holland or not, but there are always ads for, like, dirty phone numbers you could call. Yeah.

Some like sexy commercials. Oh, that's true. Yeah. So maybe instead of a babysitter, I just give Ash like a prepaid. Prepaid phone card. Prepaid phone card and just like lock them into the apartment. Yeah. Can you and Dutch say anything that they would say

on a sexy phone ad? Ooh, yeah, it's been so hate for you. Yeah, Belle new. Call now, Belle new, call now. They would always say to Belle new. My favorite ad you would hear a lot in Amsterdam. There are things I just think about, again, I don't speak any Dutch,

but I was like, no, in the bioscope. Oh yeah. Which is like now in theaters. Yeah. But my favorite one that I think about all the time is, let up, Zakenrollers. Which is look out for pickpockets. Zakenrollers is pickpockets, let up means look out. But what always made me laugh is let op-op.

It's like in my head I read it like that the sign was for the pickpockets. And it was basically saying, hey, let up. Chill out. It wasn't look out for pickpockets. It was like enough. There's not enough signs about like telling the pickpockers like, hey, people need that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. There's also, when we were there, it can't be this anymore.

You would buy like to ride the trams, there were these like paper strips. Yeah, stripping cart. A stripping cart. And so every time you heard the stripping cart, what would you sing? Oh, I forget. There was that Simpson song called Quickie Mart. Oh yeah. Who loves the Quickie Mart?

So I feel like every time somebody would buy one, they'd be like, I got a stripping card. The bank card. This is my favorite part. Come take a ride with me. You know, you might have an occasion to be on a tram and it's fun. I think it'll be fun for Ash if you get an in between

the cars where the tram bends. Yeah. You can sort of ride that little, that little swivel. I think he'd like that. I haven't done a lot of tram riding in recent trips to Amsterdam. I feel like, but for Ash, I feel like I might have to.

Yeah. It is a good means of transportation if you're not on a bicycle and you want to get somewhere fast. Well, it's coming up soon. Yeah, very excited. Very excited. We have a very wonderful guest for us today.

Oh man, I was very excited when I heard that she was going to be joining us. Connie Britton. Oh, my gosh. She's been in so many great things, and needless to say, she's a great conversation as well. So we do hope you enjoy it. Hello. Hello. Hello. How are you, Connie? Bros. Bros. Yeah, a couple of bros. Bros.

You're hanging with the bros now. You're hanging with the bros. This is so exciting. Josh. Yeah. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here.

I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here.

I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. I'm with the bros now. You're hanging with the bros. This is so exciting. Josh? Yeah? I'm so happy to meet you. So am I. I mean, my wife will be furious with me if I don't mention it. And you might get tired of it, but your Friday Night Lights was the first show we like watched

together. No way. And when I told her that you were gonna join us in the pod she her jaw dropped and she was like you have to tell her that is a real real real cute yeah I remember where I was when I watched the finale because Alexia and I watched it together and we were in a hotel in Geneva and when it was over I said I bet we're the only people who ever watched the finale of this show at a hotel in Geneva you might you might be I mean now I'm we're the only people who ever watched the finale of this show at a hotel in Geneva. You might be.

I mean, now I'm gonna do a poll just to see. Yeah, start a poll. I will say I'm very surprised, Connie, you seem like the kind of person that Josh would have met at some point because you just sort of travel in friendly circles. So I'm sort of shocked. We do.

I mean, I tend to travel in unfriendly circles. Oh, true. This is new. This is a new development. Yeah, so I don't know. Wait, what do you mean we travel in friendly circles. This is new, this is a new development. Yeah, so I don't know. Wait, what do you mean we travel in friendly circles? Like, do we have mutual friends? I don't know, I just feel like,

I guess you just, you're good people, and I feel like Josh kind of tends to know the- I got good people in my world. LA good people. Yeah. Oh, Josh, are you in LA? I am. Oh, Josh.

Now we have to play the like six degrees of Josh separation. If I was still sort of accepting and putting out friend requests on Facebook, I'm sure we could figure out we have these mutual friends, but I've left that well in my past. Yeah, we don't do that anymore. We don't. It was fun for a while.

I feel bad. Every now and again, I'll pull up my Facebook and I'll see like, and I'm not like bragging, Yeah, we don't do that anymore. We don't. It was fun for a while. I feel bad. Every now and again, I'll pull up my Facebook and I'll see like, and I'm not like bragging, but it'll be like, you have like 450 friend requests and I just haven't responded to any of them. Stop bragging, Josh. What you should do is accept three of them. Yeah.

And then hope the word gets back that like, no, he uses it still. Yeah, like he just maybe. He accepts people. Yeah. But Dad sends friend requests to people and he's not really sending them. It's just Facebook sort of like trying to do things and Dad's picture is like him in a tuxedo

and a friend of mine will be like, I just got this friend request from Larry Meyers and then I'll ask Dad if he sent it, and he is not. So I don't- Oh, interesting. Yeah. I thought dad retired and was like, I'm gonna really start connecting with my son's friends.

He does. He does. Our parents still live in our hometown, and are very close with our friends. Wait, where are you guys from? So we're from Southern New Hampshire, and let me just say, Connie, I, because again, I think it's very easy for people

to assume you're from Texas or assume you're from Nashville, but you are, you were born in Boston. I was born in Boston, but you know what? I only lived there for the first year of my life. Gotcha. So you were not, but in, in, in birthplace only, are you a New Englander? Only in birthplace only, however, not completely because I went to college in New Hampshire.

That's right. Go green. So we have that in common. This is bullseye. Oh, is that a real cat or is that a fake stuffed cat? I mean, it's kind of weird that I'm showing you my cat, but it would be really weird if I was showing you a stuffed cat. Well, yeah. We would wrap this up so fast.

So anyway, thank you. All right, that was Connie Britton. Born in Boston, spent a year there, and that's about all we need. And then she showed us a stuffed animal. Did you enjoy, I mean, you know, so that Dartmouth campus is a beautiful campus. Gorgeous. I had friends from high school who went there.

They did not care for my services when I offered them. Oh really? You did offer your services? I did offer my services and they did not think it was a match. But it's a beautiful place for part of the year. And then I would imagine just dire in the winters. Yeah, dire. Well, it's funny, because where did you guys grow up?

Near Manchester. We grew up in Bedford, New Hampshire. Manchester. Yeah, that's right, that's not in Manchester. Bedford. I went to camp in New Hampshire growing up. I grew up in, I spent not not Boston most of my time in Virginia, but I went to camp in New Hampshire

because my mother had gone to camp in New Hampshire. It's a camp called Singing Eagle Lodge. I say it slowly because it's actually really hard to say fast, try. Singing Eagle Lodge. It's not that easy. Singing Eagle Lodge. See, it's kinda hard.

Anyway, and so my mom went there when she was growing up. And so then I chose to go there and it was like a two week girls camp on Squam Lake. Do you guys know Squam Lake? Sure, yeah. And I just loved it so much. Like I just, it was so, it was for me magic and beautiful. And I was there at the time that,

remember the movie on Golden Pond? Of course. That movie came out and we were thrilled to discover that they had shot that movie on Squam Lake. And so I thought, you know, that was my first brush with fame because I went to camp at Squam Lake and they had shot a movie there.

So anyway, but I think that's part of why I loved, I loved it up there so much. So then when I was looking at different colleges and I found Dartmouth, I'm like, whoa, you can like go to college in a place like this? That's amazing. So yeah, that was it. So I mean, all to say, like,

I kind of love where you grew up. So I have a few questions based on this. What year, how old were you the first time you went to Sleeveaway Camp? You remember? Singing Eagolach. Singing, oh, it is hard. See, I told you.

It's shockingly difficult. You gotta slow it down. How old was I? I was actually old. Okay. I mean, old for camp. Like 32. Yes.

It was a problem. And you kept walking around with a stuffed animal. Stuffed, no. This is my real cat. By the way, hold on. Hold on, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh God, hold on. I'm attached with these.

Do you guys care? But look, is it weird? Now I am all weird. Oh my gosh, now she has a real stuffed animal. I am holding up a stuffed animal. Look, SEL. Okay. Oh, singing eagle-odge.

This is what I had on my end, and this is my whistle. So the whole time we were busting you for like, was that a stuffed cat? You had a stuffed teddy bear within reach. It says Connie on the back. Oh my goodness. Did you sew that yourself? Is that a camp?

I've never sewn anything in my life. I'm not crafty. Anyway, so, but I, and it's funny because my son is 14 now. Isn't that shocking, Seth? Shocking. And he's going to camp, sleepaway camp for the first time this summer too, so I guess that's on the older side. Because I think I was around 14 when I went to singing Eagle Lodge.

Now, I have always heard one of the fears about starting to go to camp that late is there's so many kids at camp who are like lifelong friends already by the time they're 14. Because like some kids start going, in New York City it's crazy how many kids, my son's age. How many parents want their kids to just be gone? Well, so many New York parents went to Sleepaway Camp. And I know, and again for like weeks. And they send them away for the entire summer. Yes.

Like they go for like two months, it's crazy. And they're closer with their camp friends than they are with their high school friends, with their college friends, it's kind of nuts. I know, I know. Is your son excited? He is excited and he's literally going for four days and it's scooter camp.

So my son is going to a camp that is all concrete. So scooter meaning, so it's not skateboarding. Scooter. No, it's like a razor scooter kind of a thing. Well, no, that's offensive. It's a trick. That's for like. I was trying to think, it's like a razor scooter kind of a thing. Well, no, that's offensive. It's a trick. That's for like, you're not serious about scootering if you're on a razor scooter.

It's like a trick scooter. They learn these tricks and they like flip it around and they do these jumps and stuff. It's very dangerous, but they love it. We, when my kid, this is like two years ago, there's like a little skate park near us. And- Even skate park is hard for you to get through. I see, it might not be.

You know what, it might be a me issue. No, not with singing in galage, it's not. But my son, who was probably six at the time, was on a scooter going down a skateboard ramp and he got out of control and he had a bad fall and scraped up his face, he was fine. But he was already one of those kids who was a little like, you know, risk averse.

And then you take, I just, while he was, before he hit the pavement, I realized, oh, he's never gonna get on a scooter ever again. Yeah, yeah. So he never did? I mean, he's only nine, but I don't like his odds. Do you, at what point did your son like start being like, I'm gonna do scooter tricks? Well, he has like a bestie who is really into it.

I guess this is going on for, you know, it's like fads. Like these kids have fads. Like suddenly it's like all scooter all the time. It's also all soccer all the time. But I would say this has been going on now for maybe since he was 11. Does he find the scooter camp or do you as a mother try to like meet his hobby and go?

No, no, no, no, no, no. He found it, he found it. This is also a product of YouTube. Yeah. You've heard of it? They watch these, they watch YouTube. I don't still understand about YouTube, but apparently a lot of people watch it. And so they watch these videos, Scooter Dude videos. And then some of them, some of them like are instructors at this camp. And so then they talk about, they're like, go to this camp this summer and you can get a discount or I'll be there for this week or whatever

and so then suddenly but the interesting thing about this camp is they also do kind of like trick skiing and stuff and we were actually recently in Tahoe and they have one of these camps there, and this was in the winter. And so we went there and they got to like do all the things at the camp there. It was like kind of crazy. So I don't know. I've never been interested in these sort of adrenaline-y

type of things, but I'm not a 14 year old boy and I never have been. And you did not have a brother, correct? No, and I didn't have a brother. So yeah, it must be shocking to find out in real time what this is like. It's shocking. Yeah.

It's astonishing. Yeah, because my wife has a younger brother and he is still like very, I don't know. I mean, he's late thirties and is still feels like a crazy adrenaline junkie. And so I don't think our boys are capable of surprising her. No, that's good.

I know it's such a funny thing. And actually, truthfully, my son is not an adrenaline junkie which is what's interesting because he's actually very cautious and safe. And I mean, to the point where his friend is like, wee, he's like a maniac and he can do all this crazy stuff. And Yobi is much more kind of, I'm gonna take my time, you know,

which kind of makes me feel better as his mom. I'm sure he wishes he was a little bit more crazy, but he still puts himself out there and tries. Yeah. Also maybe, maybe he and his buddy are going to come back from camp and his buddy's going to have a broken wrist and you'll be like, hey, great job. You'll be in one piece.

I know. Congratulations for not breaking anything. He's never broken anything that I know. It's really nicely done. Great. Thank you. Not done wood. Feel proud of him. Before you send him off.

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Ancientnutrition.com slash trips. Here we go. So we, you grew up, you said Virginia, right? And you have a twin sister. Mm-hmm. Okay, were you guys very close? We, well, you know, we're very different. As twins go, we're like opposites.

You're fraternal twins, yeah. We're fraternal twins, and we are're fraternal twins and we are so different. Like we look really different. People don't even think we look like sisters, you know, and we're very different personalities. So, you know, we've always had like a certain closeness, but not in that twin kind of a way, like in sort of the quintessential, what you think of as twins, like reading each other's minds and all that kind of a way, like in sort of the quintessential,

what you think of as twins, like reading each other's minds and all that kind of thing. Like it's definitely much more like, we would do anything for each other, but it's not like, we don't talk on the phone every day or anything like that. And we live on the opposite sides of the country too, so. Would you be in classes together

or would they try to split you up as you came sort of through school? Well, interesting because my parents were always like, okay, we're gonna, like, they didn't, they tried not to dress us, when we were really young, they would dress us the same, but then they were like, we're not gonna dress you the same,

we want you to be individuals and be yourselves. And so, but we went to, we were going to the same school from most of our childhood and through junior high, we went to this like small girls school in our town. And we lived in this pretty small town in Virginia. We went to the small girls school. And in like ninth grade, I went and saw a production of West Side Story at the public

school, the local public school. And I was like, and I was riveted by this production of West Side Story. And I went home to my parents and I was like, can I go there? Can I go to the public school? And also I think I wanted to be at school with boys. And so I switched and I go to the public school? And also I think I wanted to be at school with boys. And so I switched and I went to the public school. So my sister and I graduated from different high schools. She stayed at the small girls school

and I went to the big public school, which we were so fortunate because we actually had a really awesome public school in our town that had an incredible theater program. And I really attribute a lot of my love of the theater and wanting to be an actress to having gone to that school, which is crazy. I mean, I think every parent's dream is when your kid comes to

you with a choice they want to make and you believe it comes from a, you know, they found a passion. You're so right. That is the dream. It's like, if they can guide their own course, it's like, ah, yeah. And isn't part of the dream also is that it's free? Yeah.

Yes, right? The dream where it goes in the direction of, I found a thing I wanna do and it's gonna cost you less. Right. And almost nobody gets that. I know. But did, were your parents, when you said that, cause obviously they must have chosen

the girl school for a reason, when you told them you wanted to do that, were they immediately embrace it? I honestly don't remember, but I'm assuming they were fine with it. And so does that mean 10th grade is when you switched? 10th grade, I know. See, so you had no problem.

I mean, you'd already been a camper at like 14. I mean, I had already been. I'd like seen the world. Do you know what I'm saying? You're like, I don't care what your clicks are. I'm rolling in. Yeah, like I got this. I got this.

I was a pine at singing Eagle Lodge. So I got you. And did, when you sort of showed up, did you immediately, did you basically just like walk right into the drama department and is like, you're the reason I'm here? I took it. No, I didn't. I just, I bet I took an acting class. I was able to like sign up for an acting class.

So I took an acting class. We had this theater teacher named Mr. Ackley. And the acting class was so fun. And then the first thing I did, they did a production of Romeo and Juliet, and I got the part of the panic servant. And I also decided to work in the costume department. And so I was working in the costume department. And when you work in the costume department on Romeo and Juliet, you do a lot of work on cod pieces. And so I was excited

because I was at school with boys for the first time. And then I was working on a lot of cod pieces. Do you want a cod pieces? Of course. Yeah. So that was a real good entry into life and made me really love the theater. And yeah, and then I did my amazing turn as the panic servant in Romeo and Juliet. But it was really fun because our whole, the theater department and the plays at my school,

like everybody wanted to do it. So like the cool athletes wanted to be in the plays and wanted to be in the chorus. And there was no sort of stigma or like nerdiness about being in the theater department. It was like a really cool thing to be able to do. So that was fun, real fun. Were there any guys in the show who were like,

hey, this cod piece is too small. Can someone in the costume department... Let me remember. No. No? I wouldn't guess, but you never know. I don't think so, Josh. Josh, I don't think... I don't recall it. This one, I certainly know it was like, this thing's way too big. Yeah, I know. nobody would have said that.

I remember the famous sex ed story from our high school that people still talk about is we had our sex ed teacher and they split the girls and the guys. And we had a female science teacher who gave us, like basically was showing us how to put on a condom. And she took out a wooden dowel that I swear to God was like a foot long. And she said, and she was not doing a joke.

I think she was just like going through the motions. I don't think she was doing a joke. But she said, this is the size of an average erect male penis. And like from the back of the room, somebody just went, uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

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Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I think I didn't fly until I was probably around like 14 or something. But my mother always drove and we were in Virginia and although before we lived, we actually lived in Maryland until I was like seven and then we moved to Virginia. And my mother would always, when we moved to Virginia, my mother thought that we had moved to the sticks. Like she was like, life is over. Because we had lived outside of Washington DC.

So she would like always drive back and forth between Lynchburg, Virginia and like Maryland to get her hair cut. So my mom was a big driver. And so long drive. How long's that drive? Four hours. Meanwhile, my mother ended up loving Lynchburg and basically my parents lived there for the

most part until they passed away. So they loved it. And I loved growing up there. It was so wonderful. But we had relatives in New York City and we had relatives, New York City and Connecticut, were on my mom's side. And then Florida, like Southern, the Southern part was my dad's family. We would drive, depending on the holiday, either all the way down to Florida, which was like, we, I think we'd have to spend the night at like a Motel 6 or something because that was such a long drive.

Or we would try to do the whole thing when we would drive up to New York or Connecticut. Like we would try to, I remember like the New Jersey Turnpike and my sister and I would sit in the back seat. I remember my dad would sit, we'd had like the itty bitty book light and my dad would sit in the front seat and read like, I remember him reading us Watership Down,

which I found extremely depressing. Yes, yeah. And- It's great, but it's gnarly. Right, and it would be, it was dark outside and we'd been driving for hours and he's like reading the entirety of Watership Down to us as we're like crossing over

like the George Washington Bridge or whatever and getting into- So your mom was the driver? My mom was the driver. Always. Always. I think this is very rare. It's very rare. My mother, and she was always like, you have to be a defensive driver. To this day, I still don't quite know what that means. But my mother was like, you have to be.

And I think she always had a little bit of contempt for my dad's driving. Like he, it's like my dad, my dad was like this brilliant physicist and you know, had this brilliant mind. But I don't think she thought he had the real hand-eye coordination that she had. So she did all the driving. Yeah.

My, I mean, I think one of the things that Lexi will say about me all the time is I'm the dumbest, smart person she's ever met. Oh, cute. I think maybe that's, yeah. That's sweet. It is nice. That's sweet and in a really contemptuous kind of way.

It's sweet. So, I, by the way, I have, I saw the movie, Water Ship Down, before I read the book, and mom brought me to that, and definitely, we definitely thought we were seeing an animated movie about rabbits. Right. And it is to this day. Well, you were.

We were. But that is the most haunting movie as well. I don't know if I ever saw the movie, but I have to imagine it was haunting. It's like, the animation style is very like adult as well. Yeah. And just like there'll be fields that just like, all of a sudden like a red hue starts to cover them

and the whole screen goes red and it's... Oh, God. Yeah. It's something. Note to self, I'm not gonna show it to Yobi like today. Oh, I realize like 14 is such a weird number because it's like, oh, that's like kind of old. Like, I still think of him as a kid and he's full on teenager. Yeah.

And I'm still like, I want to protect him from mean, mean water ship down. But I can't really for very long. It might be time. I think he can handle it. I guess. I don't know. You don't want a kid at Scooter Camp being like, nah man, I'm not old enough for that bunny movie.

You know, the thing that I'm not worried about, Seth, is that they're going to be at Scooter Camp talking about Watership Town. Yeah, that's true. That's true. That would be. If that happened, something weird's going on. Yeah, or it would be amazing. Did you have a preference, be honest, none of them are still with us, of which direction you wanted to take a vacation? Did you rather, would you rather go north

or would you rather go south? Well, that is a tough answer because at that age, when we went south, we got to go to Disney World. Okay, yeah. We never spent the night, like my grandparents lived near enough that we could drive there, so we would drive for the day. So I was always like, dreaming of like, oh, they have hotels here, like you could spend

the night. But we never ever did that. But we got to go for the day. And so of course, that was like, amazing. Yeah. Of course, that was like amazing. But when we went north, we got to go to New York City. And I loved New York City. And we'd go for Christmas a lot of times. So that was where I really fell in love with New York

because, and also another thing that I think contributed to my love of the theater, because, you know, we'd go to New York City and it's like lights and magic everywhere. And then we'd go see plays or we'd go to the Nutcracker and it was just like dreamy. So I don't know, I can't say. Did your parents also love going to shows? Were they sort of culturally forward that way?

Yeah, yeah. Everybody loved like going to see stuff on Broadway. It was, that was always the thing. Our parents are really good that way too, and it's such a cool experience to have had. I know, right? Listen, I am not ashamed to admit that I thought cats was the best thing that ever happened,

that the best thing that I ever saw. Yeah. Not only that, when I got to college at Dartmouth in your home state of New Hampshire, I did an entire essay on T.S. Eliot's poems about that Cats, the musical is based on. And I've gotten a lot of shit for that. And I don't think I got a very good grade on it,

but I was really so analytical. I mean, listen, they're T.S. Eliot poems, but then I was trying to sort of equate it to like the brilliance of the musical cats. Yeah. I think that's where I got in a little trouble. Yeah, because maybe people were questioning that, the brilliance of the musical Cats. Yeah. I think that's where I got in a little trouble. Yeah, because maybe people were questioning that. Yeah.

The brilliance of Cats. I don't get that. I don't know why. Did they see the production? Do you feel like you, as you got into this business and had a lot of friends who were accomplished theater people as well, that they also kind of threw shade at you for your love of Cats? Oh, a thousand percent. In fact, there's been actually decades

where I haven't actually admitted my love of cats and just kind of kept that to myself. Like it's like a little private secret for myself. We used to listen to like the cat soundtrack. Oh yeah, Jellicle Cats Come Out Tonight, Jellicle Cats Come One Come All. I mean, I know the whole thing. I could sing it to you forwards and backwards.

It's very clear. When we moved, we moved from Michigan to New Hampshire, and when we moved, we flew to Boston and we saw cats that night. And I think it was our parents just sort of trying to scramble our, you know, five and seven year old brains of like, and now the world different, and now you're in New Hampshire, but we loved it. Oh my God, that's a great place, just a great way to scramble your brains. Yeah. Although I think if you move to a new place and the first thing your parents show you is cats, you do, there is an expectation that the cats in this state

do talk and sing. Oh my God. Well, that's why we left Massachusetts and went to New Hampshire. You must have been so disappointed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like, I don't. Oh yeah, at least you fled Massachusetts with the talking cats. Yeah. I will say I loved cats.

And then I think we were a little bit older when I saw Starlight Express. And I think Starlight Express was the first time I was in, I don't remember how old I was, the first time I was in a theater watching something where I thought, this sucks. You know what I mean? Where it just, I felt like my inner, it was the first time my inner critic came out and was like, this is bad.

Yeah. I loved it. I will say, I was two years younger, obviously. And we were seated. There were like places where, cause Starlight Express, for those of you who don't know, is about like a train, a kid's dream of a train, but everyone is on roller skates. Yeah.

Sounds amazing. And we were in these seats where they would actually skate around you. There were sort of two loops, and in the center of those loops, there were these pockets of seats. And I think I also appreciated more the athletic difficulty of it and the sort of extreme sport of it before extreme sports. Like scootering. Yeah, like very much scootering.

You should bring your son to Starlight Express. Seth's always been afraid of those things. It might combine his love of scooters and his mother's love of musical theater. I know, that's a great idea. I will say when I saw Starlight Express, I also was impressed with the extreme sports element for 30 seconds. That's always you.

You're always impressed with things for 30 seconds. Well then, I mean, there's only so many. Giraffes. Yeah, giraffes. Look, the first giraffe, like there's nothing like seeing your first giraffe. Oh, what do you mean your first giraffe? Like, you're trying to tell me you're over giraffes now?

Yeah, I couldn't be more over giraffes. Oh, come on. What is this cynicism? What are we talking about here? I don't care for how cynical I am, but I can't look, I can't pretend right now in this podcast like, oh, can't wait. You are the smartest dumb person I have ever met. It's really dumb not to always think that giraffes are cool. What if you go to Africa and you get to- Yeah, but it's smart to think if you've seen one, you've seen a whole- He's been, he's been and he was over it, Connie.

He just wanted to look at his phone. Oh, self. Well, cause I had taken all these cool videos of the first giraffe I saw. He wanted to- Slow mo. It's like, I got it all right here. You know what a slow-mo video of a giraffe looks like? Any video of a giraffe.

Would you be able to weigh in on what shows you wanted to see in New York when you went? Or was it a family discussion? Or would someone sort of decide that itinerary for you? I can't really remember. I feel like it was decided for us. Yeah. But I never can.

You know what I remember seeing? It's only because Maggie Smith recently, Dame Maggie Smith recently passed away, Lettuce and Lovage, which was a play that she was in on Broadway. I remember seeing that and we were like, Maggie Smith, it was so exciting and so amazing. But that's how in on Broadway. And I remember seeing that and we were like, Maggie Smith, like it was so exciting and so amazing. But that's how I remember that.

But yeah, and we see the Nutcracker and the ballet, which was so beautiful and amazing. But I think they chose and I just kind of, we went along with it and it was, they always chose great stuff, like very sort of mainstream kind of. Yeah. Yeah. I shared a birthday with Maggie Smith and I had a real, oh, I felt like I was getting,

like the passage of time really resonated when she passed away because I'm used to every year like, you know, like there'll be like a little like, you know, famous birthdays and it'll be like 12 people and you know, obviously it's just like same 12 people. Right. It doesn't change that much. And I was really, I was like, oh, I'm gonna really miss Maggie Smith come December 28th.

I'm so sorry, but I'm really, I'm glad it wasn't you. You know what? I still have Denzel. Oh, you still got Denzel? I still got Denzel. Great, okay, good. I have more, I have more of a tyranny. Oh, that's a good one.

Do you, I feel like, I might be making this up, but I feel like I've seen you maybe after a Broadway show, maybe at like Bar Central, like. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you still, like when you come to New York, are you still someone who like tries to go and see plays? I for sure do, if I can do it. Lately, I've been going to New York for work.

And when I go to New York for work, I pack my schedule so tight with work. And then the minute that I'm wrapped, I have to fly home. Yeah. Because, you know, 14-year-old. So I never, so I haven't been able to go to plays recently when I go in and it's so sad. Like I always feel like I'm missing out,

but if I have an evening free, I will go to the theater for sure. Yeah. I'm trying to remember the last thing. What was the last thing you saw that you loved? I saw Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross, which I loved. Yeah, Seth took me to go see Oh Mary last time I was in New York. Oh Mary's transcending. Betty Gilpin, which was loved. Yeah. Seth took me to go see O'Mary last time I was in New York.

O'Mary is transcendent. Betty Gilpin, which was great. Oh, that was that great. See, I missed it. Yeah. Glendary, I love that. I love that play. I'm trying very hard.

I feel as though it's something I'm trying to rectify that I have not taken quite as much advantage of the great theater in New York. Because again, same thing, kids. but I'm like, you know what? I think you can go to a show once a week. Yeah. I mean, wow, once a week. I mean, that's an aggressive schedule.

Like I, if you could do that, that'd be amazing. Yeah. But you also have a busy work schedule. Yeah. But it's not that, I mean, I'm always surprised, you know, when people are on my show, I'll say like, what are you doing tonight? And it's amazing how many are like,'m going right to the airport like I get it I get on people right to the airport work and that yeah, so I know it's it's a it's a whole it's a weird commute

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Although we do have a ski resort in Virginia that we went to growing up, which is in fact where we learned to ski. is not great. Yeah. Although we do have a ski resort in Virginia that we went to growing up, which is in fact where we learned to ski. I say we because I had a twin sister. So it's like a lot of a we existence. But my recollection of skiing is when I was, My recollection of skiing is when I was a terrible skier right at the outset. And so I remember this time where I was skiing.

Somehow I lost a ski and ended up holding onto a tree for dear life with one ski on my foot. And a ski patrol flew by me, didn't stop, and just yelled at me, you're a hazard. That's not. Why would you? I was, that was mean. It was so mean. Yeah, that was mean. It was so mean. Yeah, it was mean. And obviously to this day, I'm scarred by it. And now I have an entire, my, everybody in my family,

my boyfriend, his kids, Yobi, like all of our friends, like everybody loves to ski. And so the entire winter I'm dragged on these ski trips and it is the bane of my existence because I always have to go. I do it. I take it for the team. And then every time, Yobi is always like, Mom, just today, come skiing with us.

And I'm like, okay. And then I have to go and I have to suit up and I have to put the skis on and all the gear and the cold and I'm terrible and each time all I can think about is you're a hazard, you're a hazard, you're a hazard. And it's just horrible and I have to do it like two or three times every winter.

It's not great. My only regret is that didn't happen, that happened in Virginia and not New England because you're a hazard with a New England accent is Yeah, yeah, yeah. Immediately. You're a hazard. You're a hazard. I feel like people yell that

like the mass turnpike all the time. Yeah, no, exactly. My favorite New Hampshireism is nice day, don't it? That's real good. That one, that one I love. But yeah, then when I went to Dartmouth, of course, not only is it freezing cold, but like Dartmouth has a ski team. Like I took ski for gym, like for PE skiing. And that was also terrible.

It's like dead winter, zero degrees. Also not amazing skiing, solid ice, and I have to do it for class. I'm just like, that solidified it for me. Dartmouth skiing solidified it. I was just like, no, just no, life is too short. This is a cheat, cause it's a showbiz question, but it's also, it's about a trip.

All right, White Lotus on a one to 10, how much did it feel like a vacation to be working on that show? Okay, well. I feel like it's gonna be like a one or a two. I don't- How honest do you want me to be? The most.

Let me set the scene. I mean, it's a tricky question. It's a trick question. Yeah. Because we were in a beautiful vacation spot. Right. And it was sort of, it was COVID-ish times, right? No, no, no. It wasn't COVID-ish times. It was full. It was COVID. It was the fall of 2020. Oh, shoot. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like September, October, 2020.

There was no vaccine. People were still dying. We didn't really understand how it all worked. We were at the Four Seasons in Maui, which was empty and closed because COVID. Even in the Four Seasons in Maui, we had to isolate in our rooms. Everybody had to wear double masks. We had to get tested every single day. Uh, uh, uh. Uh, uh, uh. Uh, uh, uh. You know? And then you're doing, you're shooting the show with like a crew that's like, you never knew what you're,

I just ran into somebody. I was like, oh yeah, I worked with, she was like, I worked with you on White Lotus, but you probably wouldn't recognize me. I'm like, I don't, because we never were able to see each other. We had to be very isolated. My son came with me,

but he was the only child there. So, it's like, it was like if you're on vacation, but you can't leave and you have to wear a thing all the time. You couldn't go out of the hotel at all. If you did, it was like, I don't know what would happen, but you couldn't. So you couldn't go grocery shopping or get anything like that. And none of the restaurants were open, so we would eat these brown boxes

full of whatever food they had. I didn't, when I asked this, I didn't realize what a traumatic experience. I didn't, when I asked this, I didn't realize what a traumatic experience. I didn't say traumatic. Yes, yes. I did not say traumatic, but there is something about, it's ironic because there's something about working

in COVID that even if you're in the most beautiful place in the world, also with the most wonderful people in the world, because like truly, like that was the beauty of it. Like that cat, we bonded so much. You know, the one place we truly like that was the beauty of it like that cat we bonded so much You know the one place we could go was to the beach in the front of the of the Hotel we could go there so at the end of the day if we wrapped in time Whoever wrapped in time would go out there

Watch the sunset like go into the water and like swim and it was very, it was like that was beautiful. Yeah. And amazing and that was like a vacation. But you know, COVID was a scary time and you know, we had a lot of scares on the show and you know, somehow somebody got COVID and then anybody who had like been in contact with them had to isolate for even longer than the person who actually got COVID had to isolate. It was, you know, it was, it was a crazy time. Yeah. So just very, it's, it's sort of that interesting, very white lotus-y thing because it's kind of like, you're in this gorgeous place, but you're dealing with these like strange circumstances, you know?

It's true. It does speak to what a nice job you all did as actors, because I completely, of course, forgot that it lined up with... Yeah. ...just on a rad vacation. I know. We were just on a rad vacation. That's what everybody, you know, and, you know, that we had so much fun, honestly.

Like, that was such an amazing crew. Pretty, pretty cool to be able to bring. Yeah. Joby too. Yeah, totally, totally. I mean, he got to swim in that pool all by himself. Did you ever go abroad with your family before you were an adult? No.

I never went abroad with my family, but I did go abroad. I actually took two school trips abroad. I took a trip to Rome and Pompeii because I was studying Latin in school. So I think that was the first trip that I took abroad. That was really amazing. And then I took a trip to London and I was older. And that was like one of those trips where it was like,

oh, we went out to clubs and stuff. And I danced with like 35 year old men who I shouldn't have been dancing with. And I remember I came back with this amazing new song that I had heard in the clubs of London, this song called Sweet Dreams Are Made Of This by The Eurythmics, which I heard in London before it had even come to the United States.

And that's basically about all that I remember about the London trip. But it was a great awakening. It is so funny that era of hearing music first. I know. Because I think that happened, you know, Josh and I lived abroad, and there were definitely like bands that were like big in Europe that were not making in the States. I think I knew Coldplay before anyone here knew Coldplay.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. Wait, when did you guys live abroad? Right after college, we both lived in Amsterdam. Yeah. 98 to 01 for me. Yeah.

A little overlap, probably eight months of overlap. Yeah. That's fun. We were roommates and maybe the worst apartment either of us has ever lived in. Yeah, there would very often be standing water in the kitchen. We don't know from what,

but it would just sort of show up. Well, that's a rite of passage, guys. Yeah. I was a cool, I gave you the better bedroom. Yeah. Yeah. I was a good older brother back then. At some where it all came apart, but I had some news.

Now you don't even give him a bedroom. No bedroom, just the standing water. Actually, last time I was at his house, I did sleep on a couch. Yeah. Really? Yeah. There's a situation with the dog.

Yeah, he's got a, the dog in the guest room that I could have slept in that his brother-in-law was in, he was like, you can have that bed, but the dog is gonna get up probably 10, 12 times a night and like just pace around in circles and need to be put back. I was like, I'll sleep on the couch. Couch is good. Couch is good. So did the dog sleep there by himself?

Herself, she, no, my brother-in-law is in that room. Apologies. Himself? Uh, herself. No, my brother-in-law is in that room. Apologies. Our dog wakes up because she's actively trying to find the Grim Reaper. How old is she? She's like 14 and a half. Yeah. She's basically like, I do feel like if she could talk.

She'd be like, just kill me. But you used to go to Disney in Florida all the time, so that was fun. Yeah. Try to use that as a memory. Yeah. I know. Exactly. Disneyland, Disney World, which now, of course,

I live in California, so we can go to Disneyland. Have you? Yeah, no. So now it's like my son has been raised going to Disneyland, which I'm still, to this day, I'm still kind of like, you are so lucky, you just get to go to Disneyland. Like it's 45 minutes away. Like, because to me, it still was always this thing of like,

the journey, you know? Yeah. to the drive to Florida and like getting there and then driving from my grandparents house to, you know, Disney World. And, you know, one day, you know, we've now we stay in the hotel sometimes. And that's like, I'm like, this is so cool. And there's a water slide there. It's awesome. So anyway, yeah, like that, I still can't get over how cool it is that we can actually go to Disneyland. But I guess Disney World is like five times bigger

or something. I haven't been back to Disney World since I was a kid. Have you guys? Yeah, I'm not sure. It looks like Seth's, were you looking it up? Have we went with the last time I've been to Disney World? No, I thought you were looking up a size comparison. No, I think Disney World is what, twice, three times bigger?

I think so at least. I have no idea. I think it's way bigger. I think there's a lot of worlds in Disney World. Okay. Yeah. And just lands in Disneyland. Just a couple of lands in Disneyland.

But also California Adventure right next door. Well, but I feel like that's all part of the same thing. See, I still don't really understand all of that. I don't really get it. It's just to me, it's all Disney world. I would say that's fair. It's the wonderful world of Disney. Yeah. Although the CEO of California Adventures probably like-

Remember? The wonderful world of Disney. You had a real singing eagle on wonderful world of Disney or whatever it's called. I did, oh yeah, it's a hard one to say. Wonderful world. Well now you're just me. I feel like you're mocking me now by saying how hard it is. Wow.

It is so lovely to see you. I know, it's so lovely to see you. Seth, are you having fun doing a podcast as opposed to a talk show? I like that I get to spend time with Josh. It's very nice. But he also has like three more. I do. Yeah.

What do you mean? He's got lots of podcasts. You've got so many podcasts. I maybe have too many podcasts. Really? How do you mean? Well, I have a podcast. He's got lots of podcasts. Oh, you've got so many podcasts. I maybe have too many podcasts. Really? How do you keep them all straight? This one is the one with your brother.

This is the one with my brother. And then, yeah, and then I do one with the Lonely Island guys, so they look different enough from Josh that I managed to- That you don't get too confused. Not to get too confused, but it is just the best to see you. You have a new show on Hallmark. I do. I have a new show on Hallmark that is a show that I have been working on creating ever since I was in Nashville doing Nashville.

Wow. Because I was a brand new single mother in Nashville and I had an experience there where, well, I mean, it was challenging because I had a brand new baby and I was working really, really crazy long hours. And I was like, this is so, I am like, you need a support system. I didn't have a support system when I first got there. And then a dear friend of mine was also a single mom and she was working in the costumes department and she had four kids. And one day like she called me and she's like, damn it, I forgot to give

Jed lunch money. And I happened to be off that day. So I'm like, I'm going to go up to the middle school and drop off $5 at the front office for Jed's lunch money. So I walk in and I'm like, and here's like Raina James, like walking into the front office of like the local like public middle school. I'm like, this is for Jed. Anyway, but after that, I was like, single moms need help. Like I wish there was a volunteer organization or something where like you could volunteer a day

and like go grocery shopping or, you know, take care of the kids for two hours. So she could do some of the 50 other things that she needs to do. Anyway, and from that idea came this, I got together with the guys at Scout who created Queer Eye and we created a show that is sort of Queer Eye-esque where we have a group of mom experts, and they go in and we meet

with a single mom every week and we try to help them out. And ultimately, it's about creating community and support and knowing that we all need to lean on each other. That's what it's about. That's fantastic. That's a very sweet idea, and it starts available on Hallmark Plus on May 5th. May 5th. I, it's a joke I only did in Nashville, but a couple of times I did stand up in Nashville while your show was on.

Joke that always worked is how there were all these helicopter, they maybe weren't drone shots yet, but helicopter shots of Nashville for all the transitions. My joke was like, I feel like the people who came up with the idea thought Nashville was bigger. Because like, I go by like halfway through the second episode, I'm like, I think we can, I think we've seen all of Nashville like five times. You know what?

That is actually an amazing, so accurate joke, because that is so true. And it was kind of like, it was the Hollywoodization of that show. The other Hollywoodization of that show was like, the throngs of paparazzi that they would have. And we were like, there's no paparazzi in Nashville. Like, there's none in Nashville.

But just, you know, we had to. Because I, we, Alexi and I, and it was probably before we had kids. So like 10 years ago, went to a country music awards, and that's where you really see the difference, because that is incredibly famous people. Right. And yet, there's no errors about it at all.

No, no, it's amazing. And that's actually why I think part of the reason why so many incredibly famous people go and live there, because it's actually a really lovely community and just everybody kind of leaves each other alone and you can just be a part of the community, which is so wonderful. I love Nashville, I loved my time there.

It's a great, great city. Yeah. All right, before you go, Josh has questions to ask you that we ask all of our guests. Okay, Josh. All right, here we go. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous,

or educational? I feel like you know the answer to that, Josh. Relaxing. Relaxing. Stealing, yeah. See? You're asing. You know it's not adventurous.

What is your favorite means of transportation? That's a good question. I guess I would say a really short plane ride, except that I like to go long, I like to go far away, but maybe a plane. A really short plane ride. It's like, I just love boarding. I love de-planing.

So like the least amount of time in the air, but just get me in an airport on both sides. Just get me, I just want that. I want that experience. Yeah, not even enough time to give me a drink. Yeah. No. Turbulence, so the stewardesses have to... No, flight attendants. The flight attendants have to be like,

we can't even get out of our seats. I know. I'm just gonna sit here and dream about the nuts that I could be eating. Yeah. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with?

Oh, wow. Maybe like Ron Howard's family from Happy Days. Hmm, all right. Right. That'd be fun. What do you consider your hometown? Lynchburg, Virginia. Would you recommend Lynchburg, Virginia

as a vacation destination? Well, if you wanted answer B, an adventurous vacation, you could go hike the Blue Ridge Mountains in Lynchburg, Virginia. So, yeah. Yeah, great. I mean, you won't be doing that. Nope.

So we just have to. Just to be clear. Seth has our final questions. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? Yes. Was it worth it? Yes, well, that was the trip that we took across country when I was, I think, 14.

Okay. We drove, my family drove across the country. That was one of my most memorable trips. Again, we drove to the Grand Canyon and I thought it was so amazing and we rode mules down. And guess what? My son is just about next week to take, his school takes these like major camping trips

as part of their curriculum and they're going to the Grand Canyon for the first time. Oh wow. Is he excited? Full circle. Canyon for the first time. Oh, wow. Is he excited? Full circle. Yeah, I think he's excited, yeah. But it's, you know, these are like major camping trips. Like they're backpacking the whole time for a week.

That's awesome. Yeah, it's great. I mean, scooter camp's gonna be a breeze after that. Exactly, nothing. Just being on wheels. Yeah, just being on wheels and concrete, lots of concrete. Yeah. It's great to see you.

Thank you so much for joining us. It was so nice to see you and lovely to meet you, Josh. Great to meet you, thanks so much. Maybe we'll find out our mutual friends at some point. It's gonna happen soon. The cool nice people. Yes, the cool nice people, exactly. Yeah.

All right, be well. Bye guys. Thanks so much., exactly. Yeah. All right, be well. Bye, guys. Thanks so much. Thanks, Connie. Thank you. Bye. ["Fret Turnal"] Connie has a twin sis. Fret Turnal looked pretty diff. Once saw a show with a Maggie Smith, but her world all changed with West Side stories

See the public school had good theater And having boys there was a treat for her I'm sure they all wanted to meet her and hope they didn't have the smallest codpiece Not confident on skis, she'll go if her son says pretty please As a girl she found herself in the trees Ski patrol yelled, you're a hazard Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, Ooh For vacation, went to singing Eagle Lodge Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Thanks for watching!