Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - JOSH BROLIN Went looking for Pearl Jam

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

Seth and Josh are joined by another Josh on the pod this week…Josh Brolin! He talks all about growing up in Paso Robles, CA and living out his teen years in Santa Barbara, surprise trips with his mom, backpacking with his son, his surfing group, AKA the "Cito Rats,” his love for California, his new memoir, “From Under the Truck,” and so much more!   Follow Family Trips on YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok! Head over to our YouTube channel and hit subscribe so you never miss a new video episode! Supports our sponsors:NissanSo thanks again to Nissan for sponsoring this episode of Family Trips. Adventure calls in the first-ever Nissan Rogue Rock Creek. Learn more at NissanUSA.com AirbnbThanks to Airbnb for their support of Family Trips.  Visit Airbnb.com today and book a guest favorite.  These are the most beloved homes on Airbnb. Aura FramesSave on the perfect gift by visiting AuraFrames.com to get $35-off Aura’s best-selling Carver Mat frames by using promo code TRIPS at checkout. Delete MeToday get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to join deleteme.com/TRIPS and use promo code TRIPS at checkout. Rocket MoneyStop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney.com/trips #familytrips #sethmeyers #joshmeyers #joshbrolin Executive Producers: Rob Holysz & Jeph Porter Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Coordinating Producer: Derek Johnson Mix & Master: Josh Windisch Episode Artwork: Analise Jorgensen

This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by Nissan. Adventure calls in the first ever Nissan Rogue Rock Creek. Learn more at NissanUSA.com. Here we go. Hey, Bashe. Hey, Sufi. We're recording this before we do the Thanksgiving show with Mom and Dad.

You're listening to it after we record. Yeah. But I'm we record. Yeah. But I'm pretty excited. Yeah, I was excited, but we are in that weird sort of liminal space right now. Yeah. You know how it goes. You, the listener, know if my mom stood up mid-interview and said, that's it, I'm out. Well, I feel like in past years, they always have, you guys always have drinks for us.

We're asked ahead of times, what do you guys want? And sometimes the drinks are like placed on little tables behind the chairs. And it's, you know, it's nerve wracking for me. I can't imagine what it's like for mom and dad to go out there. It's, you know, I was just talking to somebody who does a lot of talk shows and a lot of stuff like this.

And they're just like, oh yeah, I'm always two beers before I do everything. And I feel like maybe we need that. Maybe that's something that mom would do well with. Or like a pre. A pre-drink. A pre-drink might be good. That's so. Pre-half cocktail.

Yeah, it's so funny. I feel like a lot of people for a woman that age would be like, maybe no drinks ever. But I like that your take is, yeah, get it going. Yeah, because I also think there's that nervousness and then we don't find the drinks because we're engaged with you right off the jump. I think the other problem is the nerves

make the picking up of the drink sometimes a little shaky. Yeah. So I think maybe a solution is a big old straw for mom. Yeah. Or one of those drink helmets. Yeah, maybe a drink helmet. Oh my God. She sometimes has a, you know, there's just like a nervous hand going down for the drink. But I think a big old straw would be really fun.

Yeah. And yeah, but very excited. All three of our producers, we have segment producers at our show, Henry, Kevin and Sarah, and normally each one gets assigned to a guest on any given night of our show. It's always all hands on deck when the Meyers come in.

All three of them are sort of covering it all. I think we've got fun stuff planned. Yeah, I think so. I've seen a couple of things, but yeah, again, this will have already aired or it will have already aired. Are you disappointed that I never use my NBC connections to get you a good seat at the parade? No, I'm good.

I'm good. I feel bad because, you know, I've been working for NBC for a very long time and they're always, they reach out and say, you know, we'd love to, would you like to come to the parade? It's weird when they offer something that they think is of high value, that I value not at all.

Yeah. Well, if you were to flex on that now with three kids, if like it was you and Alexi and all the kids and then Alexi's sister and her husband and her kid and the grandparents, mom and dad, me, like you might have to be like, yeah, all right, we'll come, we need like 24 seats. Yeah.

And then NBC would be like, oh, actually. We were hoping it would just be the two of you and your favorite child. Here's my fear about the parade for those attending. You have to get there way earlier than you want to and your kids are bored. And I think my kids would be excited once the actual parade was happening,

but I would be concerned about the amount of pre-parade time they would have to be there. Yeah, I will say, any time I'm watching a parade, like the Rose Bowl Parade or something on TV, when the camera stops and clearly performers hit their mark to sort of take it to the camera, a lot of those performances are great. That's a lot of Broadway stuff. and clearly performers hit their mark to sort of take it to the camera. A lot of those performances are great. And I imagine that sort of is where your seats would be. And I love a marching band. Some of those balloons can be really fun. Mackenzie's hometown of Shelburne Falls, Massachusetts

has the night after Thanksgiving is Moonlight Magic. Ooh. And I feel like it used to be called Midnight Madness, and then people were like, that's too dark. So Moonlight Magic. And all these stores and shops are open, and there's a bunch of like street vendors, and there is a parade.

And I was there last year for the first time. And I was like, well, I'm gonna video, let there is a parade. And I was there last year for the first time. And I was like, well, I'm gonna video, let me video this parade. And Mackenzie's like, don't like it's, you know, it's not like a huge parade. I was like, well, that's fine, all the better. And guess how long it took the entire parade to go by me? I don't know, an hour?

Three minutes. Wow. I took a video, it was three minutes. Everyone was delighted and then it's done and all those floats and things can go away. Santa was there. Wow. Yeah, so that's always exciting.

The real one, the real Santa? Pretty sure. As we said. You know, the great Santa thing they do in our town is the fire department has Santa come in a fire truck. And you drop off presents at the fire station. And then a big old fire truck shows up. And your youngest kid cries real hard.

Well, because you know, even before Santa comes out, they just think there's been a terrible fire. Right. But then there's a huge lighting of all the trees. I remember we used to go to that. After Christmas, you could bring your tree to the fire department and they'd have a huge bonfire set those babies up.

It's good. I like these. I liked the little, you know, townie traditions. Yeah. I'm looking forward to, oh, did I tell you what we're gonna do for Thanksgiving? I apologize for repeating myself. I think I might be.

We're gonna let the kids watch Star Wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's my question. Do you read the opening crawl out loud? Yeah, I think so. You have to, right? Or, I mean, unless, yeah. Unless you wanna just talk to him about it beforehand.

Yeah, that's true. And then, do you think, do you think when Star Wars is over, mom has a couple of follow-up questions as to what happened and who was who? Definitely, definitely some questions. And I also, I don't know, like, do you think any of your kids will cry at Star Wars?

Mm-mm. No? I don't think they'll cry at Star Wars, no. Okay. You know what I've heard people cry at that I'm gonna also try to see on Thanksgiving weekend is Wild Robot. Oh yeah.

Heard it's a real tear-jerker. Yeah. We're reading Wild Robot right now. Ash is reading it on his own and I'm reading it to Axel. And we got about 50 pages left. And usually I'm the one saying it's time for bed. And Axel's like, one more chapter, one more chapter. Wild Robot's so good.

Last night, Axel could barely keep his eyes open. I'm like, come on, Pop, we're just gonna do one more. Come on, bud. Some other robot showed up to find the Wild Robot. Come on, let's not. Well, I'm not gonna go to bed not knowing what's gonna happen to the wild robot. So.

Oh, exciting. I've never, I don't have kids in this movie. Like, I don't know why I would have seen it, but from my parent friends, they all say Coco is a movie that's like a guaranteed car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just feel like that's out there for me waiting one day to just totally break me down.

That's what I've, I've, they, kids have seen Coco, I've not seen Coco. I will say every time I watch Moana, I cry. And there's a Moana 2 coming out. So there's a lot, there's a lot going on. I should, you know, you know, at this moment too, which is, nope, not breaking news. I am in a showbiz.

I have a certain level of access. And so, Alexi said, oh, see if you can get a link to Wild Robot, which is a totally fine thing to ask, but then I said, wouldn't it be better to take him to the movies? Yeah. Because then you're like adding 30 minutes on either side of it.

Right. As opposed to just jamming right into the movie and then they're like looking for more stuff to do. Right. I love going to the theater. I think it's so fun. I have one other plan for Thanksgiving weekend. You will be with us, but mom and dad will be with us.

Kids will be with us. weekend. You will be with us, but mom and dad will be with us. Kids will be with us. I want to do the first annual Thanksgiving Olympics. So I might need your help to come up with some games for Thanksgiving Olympics. Oh yeah, sure. I think it's like teams of three. And I just want to come up with like six dumb games,

but I ordered little Olympic medals. I ordered bandanas, different colored bandanas for the different teams. Great. And I feel like I think I could burn maybe, you know, a full hour of kids being competitive. You think just kids or kids and adults? No, I think it's three. I think it's teams of three and it's two adults and a kid on each team. Great.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah. I feel like maybe like a soccer golf game where you just start one side of the lawn and you just have to see how many kicks until you hit a rock. Feel like that's a good dumb game. Foot golf.

I've played foot golf. Yeah. I thought maybe throw a wiff-a-ball out a second story window and try to get it into a garbage can. Okay. Or maybe even, you know what, how about this, throw it out of a second story window

and somebody on your team has to catch it. Oh, that's good. Right? Less about aim and more, then you're working together. Yeah, just make sure if the kids are throwing, somebody's gotta hold onto their little ankles. You don't want a kid going out the window. Well, I think it's at one point if you catch a whiffle ball

and like a million if you catch a kid. So you're almost incentivized for a kid to go out. Yeah. But if you drop that kid, you lose. Minus one. Minus one? Minus one. So you gotta catch, for every kid that hits the ground,

you gotta catch one whiffle ball. So you got to catch, for every kid that hits the ground, you got to catch one wiffle ball. So it incentivizes you to make the catch. Hey, you know, this is not our first guest who has recently written a memoir. But based on this conversation with Josh Brolin, I really want to read this one. Yeah. Fascinating. I also, he holds it up a few times during the interview and it also doesn't look too thick I know it cut and it looks a little bit like literature

Yeah, I don't you know what I mean like it kind of yeah I feel like this cat didn't want to put he didn't want to like put like his head on a You know his chin on a fist like yeah You know a life a life in the biz by Josh Brolin. It seems like- Yeah, no, that's not this book. And I always, you know, shame on me. I kind of assumed since his dad, you know, was James Brolin and that he'd been a young actor, I kind of thought he was full Hollywood, but he wasn't.

Yeah, no. He has a real life in the wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has one of those things, and you know, I'm very guilty of it, Pashi, so I'll just admit that I'm guilty of it. I sometimes think L.A. is an uninteresting place, and it's not. There's a lot of different cool people in L.A.

And you know, I should know from the films of Paul Thomas Anderson that it is a deeply multi-fabricated, multi- there's a real fabric to it. Oh boy. Yeah. Using those big New York words. All right. So, let Josh Brolin regale you with his tales. Josh and I are there too. And so is, just for the beginning part, so is Jeff Tweedy. Family trips with the Myers Brothers. Family trips with the Myers Brothers.

Here we go. Hey, hey, hey, hey. God, you guys look... Yes. You guys look the same. Well, that's genetics. Do you look like your brother? You have a brother, do you look like him?

No. Okay. Were you holding that up like your brother's a puppet? No, I just wanted to know what it was like, like a doppelganger. You ready to do this podcast? I am. So good, it's like looking in a mirror.

Wait, are you guys twins? No. Now two years age difference, but we do get a lot of the same voice and mannerisms. I have more questions. Do you have more siblings? No. Now this is it.

Keep it clean. Keep it clean. And you talk the same and you have the same humor. What the fuck? Yeah, it's a trip. Ideally, we probably would have done podcasts with other people just to distinguish the voice, but we do like each other's company.

Have you ever had Josh on your show and I'm not saying, not me. Oh really? Josh and he'll come up again. He's every year for Thanksgiving. Wrap your head around this. The only guests on my show are my parents and Josh. Really? Yeah.

It's pretty good TV. It's also hard to book talent on Thanksgiving. That's not it, Josh. You're a good bookie. It's not because everybody else said no. It's practical reasons. I get it. Because every single person in show business said no. Hi, guys.

This is very exciting. I like when we get a guest right after they, or while they're promoting a memoir, because I feel like you've already dug into your memory bank. I'm very excited. I'm very, I like when we get a guest right after they, or while they're promoting a memoir, because I feel like you've already dug into your memory bank. I've already dug into my memory bank. Therefore, I'll have it at the ready

to answer any personal question that you may want to ask me. It's so not true. The process of having promoted things on different levels for 40 years, because of a moment that I just had, I woke up at three o'clock in the morning the other morning and I was like, I have a fan base that's very specific that I have denied for 40 years, even though it's changed, it all has to do with the movie industry. Do you know what I mean? And I've pretended to

myself that I'm not an actor for a very, very long time. I go, you know, I do other things, man. I ride motorcycles. I write books. And it just hit me because I've been kind of tweaking out, because with promoting movies, you can talk about director, you can talk about settings, you can talk about other actors, you can talk about length of time. You know, there's all these kind of diversionary techniques and there's nowhere to hide right now, man. No, it's you, it's just a book about you.

And you've written, right, you know, to put it out there and it's weird for me. So this is the beginning of that, so. I'm very, we're very know, to put it out there. And it's weird for me. So this is the beginning of that. I'm very, we're very excited to get you at the beginning. I also, you mentioned the fan base and this is something I did before I knew you were coming on but I did want to share with you. My wife and I just went to somebody's 50th birthday party.

It was Halloween, I'm sorry, it was 80s themed. And my wife dressed like Olivia Newton-John and I was brand from the Goonies. No way. No. No. No, there was, it's not in reaction to our friendship. That was, that's pure, right?

That comes from- That was pure. That's big. And then when I saw your book, I was so excited that I get to tell you I dressed up like you. Also, I was very happy because when I tried to Google the costume, the last person I saw wearing it was you. Was me.

That's what I was just about to bring it up on my phone. So when was that this last Halloween that you did it? I did that for a Halloween party for a friend of mine that I've known for many, many decades. And I just said, let's just call a spade a spade and do it. And it'll be funny and nobody will expect it. And there's a thing that happens when you do the Goonies, you know, when that's the only thing that people talk about,

you know, I'm very lucky in that way now. But back then it was the Goonies. And then there was like an episode of Highway to Heaven with Michael Landon, you know what I mean? It's like all fucking downhill from there. Not that that was a bad thing, it was a great thing. But when you start that lucky, you know what I mean? It's like all fucking downhill from there. Not that that was a bad thing, it was a great thing, but when you start that lucky, you know, and then you have this kind of strange trajectory

over the next 20 years, after around 15 years, when people are only recognizing you because of one movie, you're like, okay, I really wanna do another something else. Thing. Yeah. I would imagine it's nice that you're like, okay, I really want to do another something else. Thing. I would imagine it's nice that you're then, that next act of success almost allowed you to appreciate the Goonies again, because now... That's what I'm saying.

So now I can go back. I mean, there was a movie after the Goonies called Thrashen, which is the movie that propelled me to go to New York and go study because I said, my acting is so bad when I saw Thrash and I am actually hurting people. Anyway, so I did. I went to New York and I studied and I got involved in theater and I had a real like

epiphany when I was watching that movie. I just thought I was so bad. That's another movie that's now become like a cult hit, a skateboarding cult hit, that when people would come up to me in the street and they'd say, hey, oh my God, you were in Thrashing. You're in Thrashing. I go, yeah, that didn't work out so well. I'd go down this horrible negative road, and then people would leave all depressed.

Now, I realized that even a movie that bad has had a positive impact on people and turn them on to skateboarding. So when they say, hey, you're the guy from thrash. And I go, yeah. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. In terms of, you know, I'm sort of the one on this podcast,

Josh, who really hits hard on family trips, but I just, there's one more Hollywoody thing as relates to the Goonies. I was in the Pee-wee Herman show on Broadway and got to know Paul Rubin's really well. And he told me, and I don't know if you can confirm this, but that the Goonies and Pee-wee's Big Adventure were shooting right next to each other.

And that he sort of knew all the kids on the Goonies and they were very closed sets, but you could sort of cross over. And that's what led your father to playing Pee-wee Herman in the movie within Pee-wee's Big Adventure. Again, they're all stories that you avoid for a very long time until you're, one day you're 56 and you don't give a fuck anymore.

So the truth of the matter is, is we were on Warner Brothers and we had, we had several stages, but then we had the ship stage, which was the big, big stage. And then next to the ship stage was Benicio del Toro. And was he in the movie or was he only in the series? Yeah, he was in the movie. Benicio del Toro was in Paul's movie,

Pee Weezy Big Talk or whatever. He was in the second one. He was in Big Talk. Oh, you're right. I love that you know this. That's so weird. That's so weird. Anyway, so it wasn't Benicio. It was Paul.

I got to know Paul really well. And then my dad on the other side was doing Hotel. He was doing a series called Hotel. And then maybe Paul was using me, but I stayed friends for a long time with him for decades. And he was like, hey, do you think your dad would do this thing? So here's the rest of the stories that he did it. I introduced him,

Paul was very good at like kind of drawing people and it looked fun. It was Tim Burton. I mean, come on. It was like, yeah, soup, such a cool thing. And then he went to the premiere and he was so angry. He felt like he looked so dumb and he started to blame me. I was like, bro, I just introduced you to somebody. I go, I just thought your career is not in my hands. You know what I mean? I'm trying to start my own. And then as time goes on, like now he's like, yeah, I was in the Pee Wee Herman movie. Yeah, it's so great when it when Pee Wee Herman movie. Yeah, it was great.

It's so great when Pee Wee Herman shows up and it's your father in that movie. And he's looking like Pee Wee Herman. It's so great. I was scrolling through on IMDB like, what do they call his character? And he plays Pee Wee Herman. Yeah, he plays Pee Wee Herman.

It's like a bond, it's a bond version of Pee Wee Herman, isn't it? Yeah. It's like a change, yeah. Yeah, it's great. And then, so you, I kind of always assumed you're an LA kid, but mostly Paso Robles, is that, is that how you're known? Paso Robles, yeah, not an LA kid.

Paso Robles. And so how far is that from LA for people who don't know? Four hours north. Four hours north of LA. It's now known as the kind of wine capital of California. It's kind of beat out Napa at this point. And there were two wineries when I was there, but it was mostly, my address back then was Route 1 Box 71A. So it wasn't even like a real address. Wow.

And we were way out there. And you know, your nearest neighbor was a mile away. And it was, we had 65 horses, you know, roughly between 40 and 65. There were some that were bred, there were some that were raised and all that kind of stuff. My mom was obviously a big animal person. And yeah, we were out there from, we were, I was born in Santa Monica. I lived in the Valley until I was five. I lived in Paso until I was 11. I lived in Santa Barbara until I was 16. And then I lived L.A. and New York and all over the place. I know your parents eventually got divorced, but was that home for your dad as well?

Was he a showbiz guy who was living that far north? He was. I mean, it's kind of like... Point Doom, which is everybody wants to live on Point Doom, I guess now. But Point Doom back then was like the place that people like all the misfits went who didn't want to pay, didn't want to pay for being in the center in the valley right next to the studios and all that. So Sean Penn's parents used to live out there, tiny little like 900 square foot house. And it was the same thing with us.

My mom, I think it was more, it was motivated by my mom just not wanting to be in the center of LA. So she was like, let's get out of here. I found a great place. It's called Pass Rolls. My dad's kind of like, what the fuck? It's like four hours away. Like I have to provide here.

But he would drive weekends. He would go down, work on a series, and then he would drive weekends and come back up for the weekend. Four hours. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by Nissan. It's time to fuel your inner adventure in the award-winning Nissan Rogue Rock Creek. So Josh, tell me about a recent time you connected with your inner adventurer. Well, anytime it rains in LA, which isn't very often, I throw my gear on and I get out in it.

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Sure. No complaints. But I got three kids. We stayed four minutes away at an Airbnb, an A-frame. I want to stress this because ever since we left, my kids want to live in an A-frame. I just think they were blown away by the fact that a house could be shaped like a letter. And it was so great for us

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Yeah. And then Axel wants to go back to that Airbnb. Axel did say for his birthday he wants to go back to that Airbnb in the Cascals and have everybody who was at your wedding come to his birthday. Great. Yeah. And we keep saying sure, and I feel like he's going to remember and be super mad when it doesn't happen. Well, if that happens, you should have him stay at an Airbnb four minutes away, and then he won't be able to come back and tell you how mad he is.

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That's what I thought. Marcus Wellby, I mean, there's a couple of things. One is Marcus, so we went from no money. My parents, my dad was like lower middle, not middle class, lower middle class. My mom was super, you know, like had no money growing up in Corpus Christi, Texas. So they were kind of used to it, but we didn't have a lot of money. And then suddenly my dad, he was doing little jobs here and there. And then suddenly he got the doctor, he played the doctor on the motorcycle, you know, so it

was like friends. It was like the friends of that time. It went to number one within like three weeks and it stayed number one for like five years. Oh my God. So just life changing. Life changing. And I was thinking about this recently. I think, and I think he'd be okay with saying this.

I think he got 11 at the most. He got $11,000 an episode. So it was friends, but it wasn't friends. Right. Do you know what I mean? And he was, according to him, he was like, he felt rich at $11,000 an episode, but that was before Peter Falk went in there

and said, I'm not coming to work, and went from $11,000 to $175,000 an episode. Falk was the guy, huh? He was the guy who basically stood up for actors. Yeah, Peter, yeah. His lawyer called him and said, "'You're sick until I tell you you're not sick.'" Wow.

And then Ted Danson was the next guy, and then Friends was the next thing. Yeah, and then I tried and it didn't work. No, it didn't work. So you know what? You brought Josh on in the family. We got a podcast, Josh. I'm gonna do what I want anyway.

Was your brother, Jess, is it? Jess. Older or younger? Younger, four years. Were you guys close or was that too big a gap? No, I think we were close. Early on we were close and then now we're close, but early on we were close.

I think I was very protective, you know, back then. The parents were all over the place and I don't know if you actually read the memoir or not, but, you know, it was... It was the 70s and 80s, man. Forget it. Your parents had you, and then you saw them later. You know what I mean? You see them on reruns of Marcus Welby.

Yeah, you're like, oh, my God. You know what? I will tell you a funny story, though. I was doing a series called Young Riders in Tucson, Arizona. And I was in this tiny little apartment. I had had my kid. You know, I was 23, maybe 22. And I'm watching TV, and my dad has always been obsessed with flying, right? He piloted all that. He still talks about it all the time. I'm going to fly tomorrow, but

he doesn't, you know, or they don't let him right now. And so he goes, so I'm watching the news and I see this guy, there's lights, there's like not an ambulance, but like fire truck and there's a plane turned upside down and it's on fire And I see this guy jumping up and down doing this like somebody help like somebody put out the fire Like oh my god poor guy, and then I lean in I go. That's my fucking dad So he was famous for that too. When did that happen?

I don't know, I was 24, I'm 56 now, so you know. Did he crash a plane? He did, something snapped in the tail as he was taking off and it flipped his plane around. Obviously it didn't get hurt, but yeah. When you said snapped, I thought it was something snapped inside of him. No, and he just went like this.

No, that's our dad. That's our dad. That's why nobody will let our dad fly. It could be internal snaps. And so it seems like a very pastoral upbringing surrounded by horses. It was great, man. I mean, look, when you grow up around horses, all you want to do is ride motorcycles. And that's what I did, you know?

Because horses are boring? It's not that horses are boring. I had to feed the horses. I had to ride horses. You know what I mean? So when you look back on it in some romantic way, it's a really amazing way to grow up. And my mom having ran a wildlife way station and having wolves and having mountain lions. I mean, I have a picture, I'll show you a picture right now

of me in the crib with a mountain lion. Like the worst parenting imaginable. But again, when you look back on it, what comes out of that? A book! You know? Yeah. Was it a full-grown mountain lion or a baby mountain lion?

No, obviously not a full-grown mountain lion. I like when you said earlier, like, you know, 70s and 80s, I think a lot of people listening are like, oh yeah, man, I remember that. And then I think when you said mountain lion, they're like, oh, I also think it might be different for you. It might be, exactly. Exactly. It's like, aren't you gonna talk about no country? It's like, oh, I also think it might be different for you. It might be. Exactly. Exactly. It's like, aren't you going to talk about no country?

It's like, no, I'm going to talk about being in the cage with a wolf. Well, that was more interesting of everything that went wrong for your character in no country. At least you didn't have to get in the crib with a wolf. I know. Exactly. Wait, wait, wait. Bear with me for one second. Like, oh, there it is. There it is. God, that's amazing. That's a, it's not a, it's not a cub, man. No, it's not.

It's an adolescent. Yeah. Maybe a year old. I don't know. Something like that. Big enough. Big enough. Big enough. So yes, being out there, there were two friends. There was Danny and Robbie. Danny lived about a mile and a half down the street. Robbie lived across the valley.

So if I say across the street, it's literally, you know, three quarters of a mile. And then when we'd want to meet at the bottom of our driveway, our driveway was probably three quarters of a mile long. And there was a bridge at the bottom and you'd yell, you know, I'll meet you at the bottom, you know, and all that. And it would echo and echo until it finally got there. And then we would meet, you know, at'll meet you at the bottom, you know, and all that. And it would echo and echo until it finally got there. And then we would meet, you know, at the bridge and we'd do whatever. On motorcycles with Danny and Robby.

Yeah, eventually. Like when we were kids, you'd walk, you know, in the ice down to the school bus. You know, every day. And there was a moment where, you know, the actor thing, it's really funny because I think about it now because people talk about NEPO babies and all that shit now. And you go, yeah, I guess there's a positive and people going, we'll open the door because we want to see. And there's also a negative where people go, I don't want to help you out because I'm sure everybody else is helping you out. And yet,

if everybody's thinking in that way, nobody's fucking helping you out. So, and you got to show up and you got to be, you got to, you know, maybe you'll get in the door, but you got to, you actually have to do the job and be good. But when I was in the bus, I think I was six, which was typical for my family. I was in the bus by myself. It's not like the parents drove me down there.

We walked the three quarters of a mile down there. And I got on the bus and there was some version of somebody fucking with me. And I said, hey, you know, my, do you know who my dad is? And they kicked the shit out of me on the bus. Which is probably the best thing that ever happened to me. Yeah. Cause there was some version of Kool-Aid that I had drank at that point at six years old Which is probably the best thing that ever happened to me. Yeah.

Cause there was some version of Kool-Aid that I had drank at that point at six years old that I threw up immediately. Yeah, yeah. I think also being in Paso Robles, the people up there probably have a different approach than they would have if you had been in Studio City. They would have been like, oh, oh, oh,

we didn't make the connection. Yeah. Yeah, your dad couldn't do anything for them. I think that was the important point. I did, obviously no kids, my kids are eight, six, and three, so none of the fellow students have seen my work, right? But I did, Cecily Strong and I did a Verizon ad a couple years ago, and during that time my son asked,

do you work for a phone company? Because all the kids at school say you work for Verizon. I'm like, that's right. It's kind of great though. My kids have no idea what I do. They have my younger kids. My older kids do. My 36-year-old and my 31-year-old have an idea. They just close their eyes. That's really impressive. You've kept it from them into their 30s.

Are you a jeweler? You know what I mean? No, but the younger kids don't, they don't know. So when people, I don't know what it's like for you with the younger kids when, and I don't get this very much and I don't know how much you get this. But I'm lucky, I can kind of blend in and I've always been able to blend in. Or I have an angry enough face that keeps people away. I know how to turn

on that thing of like don't approach me. I have a nice, I think in New York everybody's sort of on their way. So I will sometimes, I walk my kids to school and there's a lot of like, hey love the show but nobody slows down. So it's like it's positive. But that's a very New York thing, you know? I mean it's, it's, I experienced that in New York too when I go to New York, it's usually a super loud like, yo, yeah. Yeah, which I like. You know what I mean? As opposed to somebody coming up and then not leaving you alone and wanting your number and then yelling at you because you won't give them your number.

And you're like, huh? I feel like you probably get it from sort of in a very good and healthy way from all walks because of the breath of your work. I feel like the only people that say hi to me, I've like just finished the wordle. But I think there's a positive and the negative to that because people are like, you know, there's the Thanos and all that crowd. Right. Which is and all that crowd. Right. Which is a sizable crowd, which is a sizable crowd, but it's, you know, again, I'm telling you things that I don't normally say. I went to a thing recently that I don't normally do.

I went to a Comic-Con and there was something very revealing about it. You know, as I was going, I'm like, what am I doing here? And, you know, kind of being negative about it. And then I kind of got turned on to a different, very human aspect of it, which is the need, picking up on the need of peoples to use those types of movies to feel valid or powerful. Oh yeah, it's community. It's an obvious thing, but to really see it those types of movies to feel valid or powerful.

It's an obvious thing, but to really see it and to actually appreciate, to say, this actually brings value to your life. And then you see people come up and they go, hey, you know, when you, like, did you think about when you snapped your fingers and killed half the universe, did you think maybe you could snap your fingers with that kind of power and double the resources? And I was like, fuck, they're right. Why didn't I do that instead of... Hey, look, you don't have to wear the crimes.

You don't have to wear Thanos's bad decisions. That's not on there. Yeah, it's not on there. I think my second year at SNL, I went to Comic-Con just to go to Comic-Con because I am a comic book fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not on there. I think my second year at SNL, I went to Comic-Con just to go to Comic-Con because I am a comic book fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I ran into people I'd met and they were like,

what are you here promoting? I'm like, no, just looking at comic. Just a fan. Just a guy. Just a fan. Are you a comic book guy? I was a big comic book guy growing up. Yeah, loved him.

Not me, Josh. Not you? No. That's where you guys are separate. That's where we were. Yeah, we have some separation between us. So you, what were you guys, did you ever go on the road? Were you, I feel like you were a road trip family.

I feel like we've read that was something you did. No, all the time. I mean, we used to do, especially with my older kids, I mean, Mike, so I have 36, my daughter just turned six two days ago. So 36, 31, six and three is what we have. So I literally will spend my entire adult life raising children. From 19 when she was pregnant to however old I'll be when I think I'm 70 when Chapel graduates

high school. Right. So my whole adult life and then... You must be great at it. Maybe. But we used to do these themed trips like Trevor and I when I was four years old, like we'll talk about family trips, but there was one particular trip that I remember where Trevor and I, who's 36 now, when he was four, I took him to France. And we always themed the trips.

So we did basically a happy face of France. So we started in Nantes, went down through the Pyrenees and up to Dijon. And it was three and a half weeks. And me, a little crazier than, a little less worried about dangerous aspects of traveling. So we would hitchhike, we would take the train, we would walk, and I would bungee cord him to the top of my backpack. We would stay in hostels, all kinds of shit. And I would bungee cord him to the top of the backpack so when he fell asleep, he would just hang there and wouldn't fall off the thing because he was only four years old. But amazing moments. We were staying in a tent of maybe 30 people in some small village in France, and my son

woke up and woke me up and said, I'm really hot. And I felt his head. And he obviously had a massive fever, maybe a hundred hundred and three hundred and four degree fever. I literally picked him up, put some clothes on, walked to the village, which was probably a mile and a half, two miles away, knocked on over there in France. The pharmacies are people live in the pharmacies. So you knock on the pharmacy door, you see the light come on. And then the guy comes down, they're all pissed, you know, like, what do you want? Waking me up in the middle of the night,

and then bring them in and treat them like literally, they're your own family and dealt with the whole thing. They were so inclusive and amazing and caring, and then walk back to the tent of 30 people and fell back to sleep, and just another great night with my kid. Does Trevor have memories of that as a four-year-old? Oh yeah. That's great. Wow. Yeah, he does. He does, yeah. and just another great night with my kid. Does Trevor have memories of that as a four-year-old?

That's great. Yeah, he does. He does, yeah. That's where, that makes it all worth it. Because the worst would be if he's like, if you say so, Dad. Yeah, no, no, no, no, he does. He does, and they never stopped.

They were always, you know, I took my daughter through England and we did a lot of stuff together. We went to Wales together. I mean, even when my wife and I, the mother of my older kids were not together, we still would travel together. We always did well together.

Oh, that's great. Yeah, it was good. Good night. How about you guys? Tell me a story about you guys traveling. I do just before we do, I like that when you said there's always a theme to your trip, I was thinking, oh, it's gonna be like the wines of France

or the cheese, and you're like, no, it's just we made a shape of those. I'll be fair. I'll be fair. Or we went to Seattle. We went to Seattle once and we said, it was called Looking for Pearl Jam. That was it.

So we would run around the streets going, excuse me, have you seen Pearl Jam? And then I would be behind Trevor and I'd be going. And they go, yes, I think I saw him go that way. I go, come on, Trevor, let's go. And we'd run down the street looking for Pearl Jam. You vacationed like a Billy Eichner sketch. Seriously, seriously.

But then these amazing, I mean, you tell me, but then there's these amazing things that happen where we're in the car in Seattle and we see an old guy crossing the street with a brown three-piece suit and a cane. And I'm going, Trevor, look at him, look at him. And the guy looks at us and lifts up his cane and we find out later he's 87 years old and he says, give me a ride. Give me a ride. I go, what's he saying? I could roll down the window. I said, you want a ride? He said, that's what I said. Give me a ride. Give me ride. I go, what's he saying? Roll down the window. I said, you want to ride? He said, that's what I said. Give me a ride. So we pull over, we do a U-turn, we

put the guy in the, in the car, we take him up to his house. He's got a 50, no, I think it was late fifties or early sixties year old wife. So 20 years, 25 years, his junior. So he's killing it. I mean, as an 87 year old guy. And literally spend the whole afternoon with this guy. And back when I was drinking, we drank Rocky, right? Do you know Rocky? Right? And he got a little bit and he keeps saying a little more to the woman and then I'm drinking. And then he keeps calling, cause my son had long hair, so he keeps calling my son a beautiful girl. And my son keeps saying, tell him I'm not a girl,

I'm a boy. You beautiful girl, beautiful. So what fun, man. You keep it interesting. And now I have a question though. Like, so that's your first round, right? Are you able to do that same kind of trip now with round two of the kids?

You mean because of my age? Well, no, I had also your anonymity, right? That was a different time for you. Yeah, but I mean, it's kind of like, not to bring it back to this thing, but there was a, with the book, there it's kind of like, not to bring it back to this thing, but, you know, there was a, with the book, there's a revelation of like, why would I write this kind of book? Why don't you just write about the Goonies and then write about thrash and then write

about, you know what I mean? Go through the trajectory of your career. And I think that there's something in me that refuses that, that keeps putting myself in a position of like, I'm not, I would never not travel because of lack of anonymity. You know what I mean? So. Well, it seems like the way you travel too, I feel like you might be like, I don't know, anonymity proofing it in a good way.

Maybe. I don't, I don't, I don't know, but I don't want to, I don't understand that thing of like, and it sounds so high falutin and it's not meant to, but you're representing humanity, right? So then you become something that it's like a drone over humanity with fame. And I just, I hate that idea. You're like, how do you write about humanity in our trials and tribulations that people can identify with or laugh at or whatever. And you're sitting here in a huge mansion, kind of looking down on everybody going, it's tough what we go through, isn't it guys?

Some things don't open. Some movies don't open. Yeah. And I've always had this weird relationship with that weird resistance. Meeting that 87 year old guy and spending the afternoon with him, was that sort of a one-off or did you have sort of a knack for spending time with people that you would meet? Like would you hang out with the people that you hitchhiked with or would you, do you find yourself at people's homes often when you're traveling? Yeah, but that's a lot easier when you drink.

Okay, yeah. Yeah. And if you do blow, no, I'm just kidding. Then you're in people's houses uninvited often. Then you're in people's houses up to eight, nine in the morning. You get to see them off to work. It's fun to be able to laugh about it now.

Yeah, there's a story in the book of mine, which just gives you a little yes to answer your question. Yes. I don't think I'm an extrovert in that way. I think that I fight between both. You know, I have to force myself to kind of like, hey, talk to this person again. And it's easier when you have kids because you pretend that you're the power of example. You're like, go ask him. Like, I would never ask him, but you go ask him. And so, there's this story in the book about we're on the subway in New York and we're living on 85th Street between 85th and Columbus. And there's this story where there was a guy with one leg sitting there and Trevor says, hey, what happened to his leg?

I said, go ask him. So there's a whole relationship there where you go, you don't, we can guess or you can actually go out there and talk to the guy. And there's this amazing relationship. And then my son comes back and I go, so what's up? And he literally doesn't answer me. Like we have a thing, me and the guy with one leg. We had a whole thing.

You instigated it, I appreciate it, but now, you know, it's cool. I've had similar things happen with my kids, and it is amazing because you realize those people are happy to talk about it. Absolutely. Adults almost never talk to them about it. And you realize that's part of their narrative that weirdly other people have put off limits for them. And a kid walks over and asks and they're like, yeah. Seriously, it's the beautiful girl syndrome. You know, I remember Diane's dad used to tell me, he said,

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Did you have a parent where this adventure and this sea in the world came from? Was it both of them? Was it one of them? I think both of them have it. I remember having a really nice moment with my dad in Tucson, Arizona when I was doing that show, Young Riders, and we were sitting in the kitchen, and we hadn't had a lot of like really kind of base talks, you know, like, what do you like to do kind of thing?

And I remember him talking about driving from LA up to Paso Robles via the five, I-5, and putting the top down and turning the heater all the way up, turning up the music and then seeing, you know, just stars because there's no hint of light anywhere. And so there's obviously a sense of adventure in that, you know, since wanting to be kind of out in the elements. And he liked camping and his dad, his dad, and then I'll talk about my mom in a second, but his dad, dude, his dad

did some wild shit. Like my grandfather, like my grandfather not only put himself through Caltech himself while working full time, super smart guy, ended up working on LearJets was, what do you call it? I can't remember now. But so he just adventure was part of his thing and constantly mixing it up. So he took off to the, to the superstition mountains to look for the lost Dutchman's gold mine for three and a half years. And lived off the silver that he found, like there will be blood and would send silver back to Newport Beach back when Newport Beach was like a working class community.

So there was always that in my family and hearing those stories obviously instigates you to want to be a part of that. But my mother was the one. My mother didn't fly. I think she flew a couple of times. She had enough booze. But she drove 50, 60,000 miles a year. So, you know, it wasn't rare that she would wake up in the middle of the night or she'd wake us up in the middle of two or

three in the morning, literally, and say, get in the car. And we'd be like, it's two in the morning. Like we have school. And she goes, but I want a water burger. And you go, a water burger, which is a Texas chain, right? We go, but that's in Texas. And she goes, I know, I'm hungry. I want a water burger. And we literally would spend two and a half days in the car, my brother and I, to go get a water burger.

Now that's, that's on the verge of like insanity. Yeah. But then super fun on top of it. Stay in these old shitty motels in the middle of nowhere and stop in these like gold mining towns. And it was great. It was really great. Again, it's not one of those things that you know it while it's happening, but you look back on it and you go, I love that that's in my bones. Would you go down to, would you just get a Wada Burger and turn right around or would you go to Corpus Christi?

Would you go? You never knew, man. You never knew. You might go to New Orleans, you know, there might be another kind of let's go to New Orleans and go listen to some blues in the French Quarter, which happened often. So I remember being like eight years old

and being in a bar and listening to a blind guitarist singing, just fucking fantastic. Yeah. In the car, do you remember it? Are you guys all talking? Is your mom just blasting tunes? Like what's the vibe? When we were all, the vibe was country Western, always.

You know, that was the, we were kids, so that was still the seventies. So there was outside of country Western, there was Janis Joplin a lot. She loved Janis Joplin, but it was more George Jones and Waylon Jennings, George Strait, even Mel Tillis. It's like a lot of great, Jessie Coulter, that kind of Dolly Parton once in a while,

just because she was so fun. And her wigs are so cool. Yeah. And then as I got older, it was punk rock. So then she would put in, oh no, back then it was, there was the Who By Numbers. That was the one cassette that I had. I'd say, please play, Mama's Got a Squeeze Box.

Oh, love Squeeze Box. She goes, Squeeze Box is an amazing song. And my mom goes, this song is so gross. I go, just play it once. And then later on- I know we're poaching, you mentioned punk rock and I know we're poaching the book, but tell us about the Ceto Rats.

I'm in Montecito now. Okay. I'm literally in Montecito now. A place that I- Trying to get the rats going again? Dude, no. No. Revamp the rats?

You're trying to reboot the rats? Dude, Go ahead, make fun of me you fuckers. No, it's a place that I was positive I would never come back to, for sure. And I'll tell you, the weirdest thing then, again, it's like revealing way too much, but do you know what Bell's Palsy is? Of course. Okay. So I got Bell's Palsy 17 years ago. When I was and, and ironically, I didn't put it together until now, but ironically, it

was when I was contemplating moving back to Santa Barbara and I got full blown. I was just about to start W. I just had finished milk And I got full blown. I was just about to start W. I just had finished milk and I got full blown. We had to actually postpone. Oliver and I talked about Sean Penn or maybe Sam Rockwell doing it or whatever. And then he just, he said, you're the guy and we'll wait. And we postponed for six or seven weeks.

And I got my full face back with the exception of like a little slower blink or whatever. But it was super scary time, super strange time. Cut to 17 years later, my wife and I have been, we've got this place in Malibu, little tiny beach shack, we kind of built on it, spent six years kind of making it our own. It was gonna be for the rest,

for all intents and purposes for the rest of our lives. And then right when we finished, we go, we want out of here. We want to, we should we go to Europe? And we'd been talking for a couple of years. Should we go to East Coast? Should we do this? And then out of frustration of just like we like, what do we just have to, why don't we just be on perpetual travel? And I brought up Zillow and I brought up Santa Barbara and the first house that came up was the house that we bought. And it was Joe Walsh's old house in the seventies, which I love the idea of.

Cause you know, there's just bindle after bindle under the floorboards. I think there were a lot of people, a lot of people were maybe leaving there at eight, nine in the morning. Definitely, definitely, definitely. A lot of people were maybe leaving there at 8, 9 in the morning. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. So, in the process of getting rid of Malibu and going up to Santa Barbara, which sounds

so bougie, but I go, I contract in that stressful moment by doing SNL and then Dune Press and all that stuff and kind of running on fumes. I get a mild case of Bell's Palsy again. I go, how fucking strange is that, man? The two times I'm talking about moving back to Santa Barbara and suddenly my face goes, you know, we can't move. Look at me. And then we did and we just kept kind of forging forward and within a week I got back up here

and it's incredible. It's incredible up here. But there's no way to tell stories about the sita rats and have it kind of match what it actually was. And it was a severe group of kids. So there was Duhuy on Oahu, there was the Bra Boys in Maruba, there was Wolf Pack in Kauai, and all these are kind of known surf groups. I'm not going to call them gangs. They're surf groups, surf communities that were pretty severe. And then our little thing that we were known as the Cetorats.

And the truth of the matter is, is out of those 50 guys, 36 didn't make it. 36 are gone. Now that speaks to the severe part of the Cetorats. All you got to do is attach Montecito to it again. And you're like, that's a lie. That didn't happen. Wow. That's, I mean. 36 guys of those guys.

Thank goodness you're on the other side of it. No, and that's when I'm now, hence the Bell's palsy, you go, if I go back there and my wife is like, it's so nice there and it's so wonderful. And it's actually not what you think. There's a half a Montecito is kind of bougie and older. And then you get outside and you go to the harbor and you go to the mission. And it's an amazing community. And everything is within 15 minutes. And we just went through Halloween. I've never seen celebrations like these people pull off. And it's very, you know, it's a lot of firemen that we've met and a lot of, you know, all just a whole,

like diverse community. But being back is like, it's, it's, yeah, it's a very strange thing because the Cita Rats were, it was punk rock. There was a band that my best friend started called Rich Kids on LSD and RKL, which actually became a well-known band that influenced a shitload of bands, but never really got their comeuppance. They never became hugely famous, but if you talk to people in Nirvana, if you talk to Dave Grohl, if you talk to Eddie Vedder, all of them know Rich Kid Donal estate. They're like, oh my God, greatest band ever. And then just a lot to, you know, I don't know what to tell you, man. It's a fucked up, bro.

Seat around, you had to live it to know it. Where is your, is your wife a West coaster? No, Southern. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And she's okay, she's okay with the West coast life. She never wanted to pull you back to the South. No, it's, you know what?

I mean, we talk about this often. you back to the South? No, it's, you know what? I mean, we talk about this often. The design of the South is so specific, you know, that to be in California, like even when you see people who have moved from the South to California, they'll all band together. Like more than any, just a bunch of people who were in Atlanta hanging out together in California

with no real Californian friends. Or New York, same thing. I mean, it's a tight, tight, you know, community. But I think slowly, given the severity of my love of California, she's, yeah, a broken heart. She's, yeah, a broken-up. Well, also, when you get Central Coast in California, it starts to feel a bit Southern, I find. In what way? It's just like when you're out in horse country, my wife is an equestrian and like,

I feel like there's, I've been to a couple of weddings, like up in Paso Robles and things like that. And it's like, once it's all cowboy boots and- You don't know that. You think of California and you think of like, you think of LA or you think of, California is one of the most incredible state. If you drive the entirety of California,

even back when we were doing the Goonies, we went to Northern California, it was a place called Bodega Bay, and we had done probably two weeks of outdoor shooting in Bodega Bay. It's like another planet. You have every, I think you have 11 of 13 climates or something in California.

It's like you have snow, you have sea, you have mountains, you have desert, it's 130 degrees out in Death Valley, and then you've got mammoth right there, and, you have desert. You know, it's 130 degrees out in Death Valley. And then you got mammoth right there. And then you have the redwoods and then. I can see, I can see how you won your wife over. It was a very good sales pitch. It's great, man.

It's just, you have fucking taxes and everybody's moving to Nevada in order to offset the taxes. And you go, I get it. So you have two little girls now, the little ones are girls, right? Yeah. And do they get along?

Do you, have you done big travel with them? I mean, we've done a lot of traveling. They spend a lot of time in the car. You go to my older kids, my son is a really amazing artist. And you realize all the art is basically him looking from the back of the car out at our surroundings. So you have like, you know, electrical towers and you have desert landscapes and you have,

you know, whatever surrealist kind of thing he puts on it. But yeah, I mean, there's a lot of going back and forth to Paso because we still have a ranch in Paso Robles. There's a ranch that I, when my parents divorced, my mom got a piece of property from my dad. And, you know, back then, especially these types of divorces, you know, they end up giving all the money to lawyers, you know, and everybody kind of ends up broke. And my mom got a little piece of property and because of somebody that she knew with some money, they loaned her $300,000 at 11% or whatever, whatever it was back then. I think it was that.

And she built a little cabin on it. And then when she passed, I took it over. I moved from New York. I was on 89th and Riverside and bought my place in 89th and Riverside for $80,000, 1992. Remember those days? I always say that my apartment in New York isn't haunted, but the scariest thing is when the older neighbors tell me what they paid for their apartment.

Exactly. I'm just like, keep it out of your mouth. Literally, $80,000 for a second floor walk up, one bedroom, bay windows overlooking the soldiers and sailors monument. Yeah. Not bad. Right next to Riverside Park.

Back when Riverside Park was different, it's different now. Had you just held onto it though. No, it's always, yeah. Always the case, anyway. No one's ever like got out of New York at the right time. Nobody, nobody, nobody. That's fantastic.

This is, did you like it? Did you like writing a memoir? Yeah, but I had written books before and just kind of put them in the dark corner to gather dust. I'd written my whole life. And I mean, from eight on, it's something like 91 journals or something like that. I've just dust. I've written my whole life. And I mean, from eight on, it's something like 91 journals or something like that.

I've just always filled, it's always been the place. It's like almost therapy. Did you have a parent who was sort of pushing you to journal? That was just a thing you had in you, huh? Yeah, it's weird when you look back on it and you go like, when did this happen? And how did I get turned on to this thing?

And when did I wanna be, forget wanting to be a writer because it sounds so lame, but pictures of me at Perala Chez Cemetery at 22 years old, wanting so desperately on Moliere's grave or on fucking Oscar Wilde's grave. Some form of masturbation. And, but really being so taken with these types,

you know what I mean? And where did that happen? I don't know. I read Ray Bradbury when I was a kid, which kind of exploded my brain. And I was like, oh, so you don't have to live in this all the time. You can actually go on these adventures, you know,

in your mind that are kind of unprecedented. And then somebody gave me, of course, and this is like a typical story, but my buddy Chris Stanley gave me On the Road when I was, I think, just 19. And then that turned me on to Rambo and that turned me on to Mallarmé and that turned me on. I mean, it just, again, it was just a thing. And so I've had people in my life, like as a, what we were talking about before, is like a fan base and people read this book

and then they go like, huh. Whereas my friends, they go, oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. You know what I mean? It's a very different thing. So there's been this weird kind of relationship with literature and that kind of adventure as opposed to... And I think that that came from my mom. My mom was... She just...

Which I think a lot of writers have. It's just like, how do we make it more vivid? Right. We can take acid if we're the chito rats. But that's not a long-term plan. That's not a long-term plan. It was for some people, but man, can you tell. Yeah.

They got permanent bells, Paul Z. Yeah, permanent bells. Exactly. This is just Ben, you're a real one. I mean, you always have been. I'm always so happy to see you, Josh. I'm glad my Josh finally got to meet you. Me too, me too.

What a pleasure, man. We have some quick questions for you and then we're gonna let you go. But these are the questions we ask everybody here on the pod. Yeah. All right. Here we go. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous

or educational? Adventurous and educational. Uh, what is your favorite? By the way, I love that you just blew past, you can only pick one, and Josh is so intimidated by you, he didn't call you out, he just accepted it. He was making the mean face. It was the mean face that people know he's made of.

You see, like, right when I answered, he looked up for a second, he went, no. Yeah, he was not worth it. That was a, I don't want to talk about thrashing face. What is your favorite means of transportation? Train. Okay. If you could take it, this one gets trickier.

Mine is a plane piloted by James Brolin. Or Harrison Ford. And by the way, one of those suits like you have in surfing that immediately when there's something that could go wrong, it goes. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft.

Pfft. Pfft. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a family vacation with? Wow, dude. What a great question.

Jesus Christ, no. Wow. What family, what family, what family? Who did you choose? Just to give me some time. You've never had to choose? Yeah. What's a family?

We might've said the Barinholtz's. Yeah, a friend of Barinholtz. If you know our buddy, Ike Barinholtz, we love him. God, the Bucket List family. There's a, God, I don't even know their real name, but the Bucket List family literally travel nonstop year round and they have three kids.

Yeah. I would love to give you a better answer because that's just exciting. No, that's all right. That's a great one. We're going to do some research on the Bucket List family. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? Oh, shit, dude.

You mean of my immediate family or my extended family? Any family member. Any family member. I love the idea of my grandpa, both my grandparents, and I just changed the answer too. My both my grandparents, not just one. Fine. I'm gonna go with the one that looked for the Dutchman's gold for three and a half. That's what I mean.

Yeah, Dutchman's gold, that guy. And there's some connection by the way with, let us now praise famous men, James Agee, that I'm related to as like an eighth cousin or something. So that's somebody else I'd like to hang out with. Paso Robles, is that your hometown, would you say? No, I'd say it's where I was raised. Okay, so what is your hometown then? you say? No, I'd say it's where I was raised. Okay.

So what is your hometown then? I don't have one. Okay. All right, next question. I'm enjoying this emotionally with you, Josh. Way more than I am answering the questions. I like that you just, like right at the end, you got super cagey.

Like you just did a tell all podcast and then you're like retroactively being like, I'll never tell. Well, anyhow, you were raised in Paso Robles. Would you recommend Paso Robles as a vacation destination? Yeah, I would for people who love to drink and drive. Okay. Yeah. So maybe for other people steer clear. No, horses, yeah, it's an amazing place.

Nassimino Lake, the wineries, yeah, it's a great place. It's a great place, even better now than it was. And Seth's got our final questions. Okay. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? Yes, many, many times. So it's worth it? It's absolutely worth it.

Have you been to the bottom of the Grand Canyon? Neither of us. Even more worth it, have you been to Copper Canyon in New Mexico, I mean, sorry, in Mexico, which is three times the size of Grand Canyon? No, they don't. Have you hung out with the Tata Humata Indians in Copper Canyon?

Often. I have. Now that part I have, not in Copper Canyon. In Times Square, weirdly. I got some questions. Oh yeah, oh you turned the tables on us. You think you can turn the tables on us? No, yes, many times I think Grand Canyon

is absolutely worth it. What's the best way to do it? Hike down or rafting trip or? Seat the rats 13 years old, take two hits of acid and then drive there. And by the time you get there, you'll be peaking. It's perfect. It's an amazing view.

Sit the rats. Sit the rats. Sit the rats forever. And there's 14 of you left? No, there's more. It's funny when I talk about it, I have old school sit the rats because there are no sit the rats anymore

except for the guys that were. And guys call me or they say to a friend of mine, tell Josh, you know, some of us aren't dead. It's not like all of us die. Some of us are still around working and all that. All right, well, I do hope, I mean, I hope to see you soon and I hope to bump into a Cetorat any, any one of you. Well, if you see me, you will.

All right. Love you, buddy. This was the best. Love you, pal. Thank you. So much fun. Thank, if you see me, you will. All right. All right. Love you, buddy. This is the best. Thank you. So much fun. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right.

Later. Rollins got a memoir he wrote it himself Along with 91 journals sitting on his shelf Cause he's lived a whole life And the stories are tight Rollins got a memoir, a man lion in his crib. One time he thought he'd brag, said, don't you know my dad? Yeah, that guy crashed a plane. Now I'mma kick your ass. For he was even a teen appearing on the big screen Mom would wake him up and drive him down to New Orleans She'd want what a burger, here's some blues You never knew what she would choose

Had her grandpa so bold He went looking for gold Rowling's got a memoir also he had Bell's ball Z And then Zito dropped LSD, bro And maybe smoked a little grass And kicked it with the rats Rowland's got a memoir Don't ask him about thrashing!