Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - KATEE SACKHOFF Caught Glowing Shrimp Off a Dock

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

Katee Sackhoff joins Seth and Josh on the podcast! She talks all about growing up in St. Helens, Oregon, sailing around the San Juan Island on their Sea Ray, having crushes on her brother’s friends growing up, moving to LA at 18, and so much more! Go to everydaydose.com/trips for  25% off plus 5 free gifts with your first order.

Hey, Pashi. Hey, Sufi. Well, it's only a week away. What's that? Your wedding. Yeah, I know. I'm working on my toast. My best man toast.

Great. I have a few questions. Okay, sure. You also grew up in Bedford, New Hampshire, correct? Yeah. Okay. Great. Height, what Hampshire, correct? Yeah. Okay. Great. Height, what would you say? What are you saying now to the days for your height?

You can go 6'1 or 6'2, it depends on what the hair is doing. Okay, gotcha. And this vegan thing, real or a bit? Real, totally real. Okay, great, all right. That's what I think so far that all my stuff's gonna work. Okay, great.

How are you feeling? How are you feeling? How are you feeling? I feel great. A little stressed. There's just like, there's a few more things that we need to do, but someone asked me recently, am I nervous? I'm not nervous.

I'm super excited for the weekend and I'm just stressed to get things in a place where I wanna, you know, I wanna hit the weekend and I want it to just sort of run itself, but I wanna make preparations so that it can run itself once we get to that weekend. I'm super excited. We're super excited and-

Do you think mom will cry five times or 10 times more than she cried at my wedding? Yeah. You're her baby. I don't know. You're her baby boy. I'm sorry, it's different. Five times or 10 times more than she cried at my wedding. You're a baby. I know. You're a baby boy. I'm sorry, it's different.

Mom and I were talking about what song we were gonna do our first dance to. Yeah. Mother-son dance. And I would like the brother-brother dance to be Macarena. Keep going. Bette Midler has a song, Baby Mine, I think,

or maybe it's Baby of Mine. And I had suggested that in a list and she was like, I can't do that, I'll be crying like a baby because you are my baby boy. And when I listened to it, as I was putting a list of songs together, I started crying. So yeah, we're not gonna do that.

But there's gonna be a lot of crying at this wedding. I cry a lot, Mackenzie cries a lot. You cry. I'm a lot, Mackenzie cries a lot. You cry. I'm a big time crier. Yeah. So yeah, so I hope people like that. I said to Ash, I'm gonna give a speech about Pashi and I will definitely cry.

He's like, oh my God, don't cry. That's so embarrassing. So I might not, I guess I won't let him stay up. Yeah. Well, that's just, I mean, he cries sometimes and now it's gonna be sort of a cyclical thing that when he cries, he will feel embarrassed and he's only gonna cry more.

Yeah, I'm always like crying's great. He's gotta get over that. Yeah, it's the best. Yeah, I think there's gonna be a lot of crying and I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to all those tears. Yeah, me too. I'm also looking forward to, well, they'll all be with me,

but this week to end, everyone except Alexi in my house has been sick. And on Tuesday, I stayed home, which I never do. And Axel didn't want to go to school, but he had already missed school. It was time for him to go back. And a very funny thing happens, which is how quickly Addie, who's the youngest, it becomes like just a caregiver.

Like just her. Mm-hmm. I don't know. It's just like girls are just like so sweet. And he was like crying and saying, I don't want to go to school. And she walked over and goes, it is OK, Axel. You can stay at home with Dada. And Alexi's like, saying, I don't want to go to this school. And she walked over and goes, it is okay, Axel. You can stay at home with Dada.

And Alexi's like, no, we can't. And she's like, oh, I am sorry, Axel. You can go to school. And when you are sick, mommy will come and get you. And Alexi goes like, Addy, that's not it either. And she was like, Axel, you have to go to school now. But it was so funny how she just was kept trying to like find a way to like placate screaming Axel. Yeah, good for her. By the way he was screaming so hard the

other day. I took him to school. He was the whole walk he was screaming about not wanting to go and then got him to school and then I had to walk Addie to school and Axel had been so late and so hard to get to school that by the time we got Addie to school, she was late. And she came into the class and one of the girls in her class goes, Addie, you're late. And she just goes, Axel woke up screaming.

That's a good as explanation as you need, I guess. And the last thing I'll say about the day is we're walking, I have three kids by myself, no big deal. And Axel was so mad, and he didn't want to go to school. And at one point he wrestled away from me and started running back towards our apartment. And like we were only a couple blocks away. But I had to like leave Ash with Addie in the stroller

and run and grab him. And I was so mad. And so then I was holding his sweatshirt as we were going to school. And like, I'm basically pushing a stroller and holding him by the back of the sweatshirt so we can't run away. And finally, at one point, he says, you can let go of me now. I don't know how to get home from heel.

And I was like, oh, that's pretty good logic. He was basically like, I'm stuck with you. Yeah. We're too far away from the apartment. I wouldn't know which way to run. I was like, oh, that's pretty good logic. He was basically like, I'm stuck with you. We're too far away from the apartment. I wouldn't know which way to run. Yeah, I feel like, I always imagined dad in those situations

where like if you're under stress with a lot of kids, like how dad would be and how you and I share that same sort of, and I feel like grabbing onto a sweatshirt really tight is something I can see dad doing in a heartbeat. Yeah. And I'm sure you look just like him in that moment. No, that's the thing, like nobody,

nobody like sees the breath of your bad morning when you're a dad just like grabbing your kid by the back of a sweatshirt and like hauling him. Yeah. Tippy toes on the pavement. Mm-hmm. I'm very excited. The kids are excited. I don't want to correct Axel.

And there's a chance, because there's a chance he says what he's been saying at the wedding. Okay. But he keeps saying that he hopes he'll be a ring barrier. Okay. Yeah, he's not saying bear, he's saying barrier.

Right, if he is, then Ash will have to be a ring digger upper. Yeah. Yeah. It would be really funny if he's buried, he's buried more. Buried his glasses. Yeah, so no, we're still finalizing sort of exactly what it is they're gonna do,

but I'm sure they're gonna do great. Can't wait. Yeah. And I think they're gonna look cute. Yeah, they're definitely gonna look cute. This is a, I said real, for the Myers family, Katie Sakoff is a big deal. Yeah, Battlestar Galactica was one of those shows

where if you hadn't watched it, you were in danger of mom and dad telling you the entire plot of the episode that you wanted to watch. So we were on it. Yeah. And we would like, if you were home, you would watch it with mom and dad, but it was one that we didn't,

you didn't let them sort of pile up and catch up later. You stayed on top of it. Yeah. And yeah, it was really, also a mom calls dad the old man. And that was also what Saltai called Adama. And so I think they had, they felt a lot of simpatico with the show.

Yeah. Yeah. Also, Katie Sakoff, we love talking to fellow podcasters. Shepatico with the show. Yeah. Yeah. Also, Katie Sakoff, we love talking to fellow podcasters. She's got the Sakoff Show. And I think you'll tell over the course of this interview that she makes a very good podcaster as well. Absolutely. Good conversation.

Good conversation. So I guess, wait, we're going to do, will there be one more of these? No. Yeah. This is going to be the last one. The last one the next time we- Before, yeah, before I got a ring on this finger.

Wow. Crazy. I mean, I do feel like, I don't know. I feel like mean saying this to Mackenzie, but if you're a hot lady out there and you feel like Josh is the one for you, just try to figure out where the wedding is. It's the last chance.

I'm just saying it's the last chance. Yeah, that ship has sailed. Yeah, it's sailed. Yeah, I bought my ticket. I'm very excited. I mean, I get a sister out of this. Yeah? Pretty big deal for me.

Yeah, big hugger. Big hugger, love a big hugger. Yeah. She's gonna be throwing those hugs around this whole weekend. Yeah. Oh, for sure. All right, buddy. Well, I love you very much.

I can't wait to get to see you in person before I see you on the pod. Yeah. Love you too. And enjoy this episode, everybody. Enjoy Jeff Tweedy. Family trips with the Myers Brothers. Family trips with the Myers Brothers. Here we go. Hello.

Hi. Hi. We're so, we are very excited about this one. Not, no we're not. I don't want like previous guests to think that we weren't, but this is a big deal for us. Yeah. I would say, I don't know if you, I don't know if you remember Katie, but there was

years ago you were in a TSA line and I was in the same line and I saw you and you wouldn't have known who I was. But for me, it was very exciting. We kept snaking by each other. I, no, I didn't because like you're was. But for me, it was very exciting. We kept snaking by each other. No, I didn't because like, you're just someone's gonna get on a flight. So wait, Josh, you said, that's really, usually when people are like,

you're not gonna remember this, I think they might. And that one, well, of course they're not. No, zero chance of her remembering that. You also might not remember this. I was for years a peeping Tom of yours. That was you. It was me. I knew, I thought it was your brother.

No, I was somewhere I was allowed to be when I was in the TSA line and I was like, oh, that's Katie Sakhov and that's cool. We kept going, I was like, oh, that's cool. And now this is even cooler. Every time that happens to me, I just pray to God I wasn't like an asshole. You know what I mean?

Oh, no. Oh yeah. Like, I just like, I'm like, was I... Was it a bad day? Was it like one of those days where like, my TSA didn't go through and like, you know, was thrown to the back of a line or something? Do you feel like you have a little bit more wiggle room

to be an asshole because you played such a lovable asshole on TV? Um, I, you know, it's so funny. I think that people just expect for me to be a bit of a bitchy person. So the thing that I hear the most is that, oh my gosh, you're so smiley and upbeat. What's, and they think that that's an act. And I'm like, no, that's actually, that's actually just me. Like I am the crazy person that's like, you know, like a smile on my face all the time.

Yeah, like the other thing is acting. But I think an asshole is really well. Yeah, you do. Well, and I mean, the important part is you're not actually an asshole. Do you remember the one time we met? No, I have a terrible memory. Okay, I don't. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, all right, I'll tell you the story first.

I was a guest on David Letterman, and it was the Battlestar Galactica cast did the top ten list. Yes. And... It was very exciting for me, because I'm a huge fan of the show, and I got a picture with all of you. But the thing I'll say is you guys all were in costume in character. And I will say, like, I got the sense that maybe you as a group

weren't as psyched about it. You know, I think that at the time, because that is the only time I have been on Letterman. So I think at the time we were all just like, this is crazy cool. But there is also a part of you that in the back of your mind is like, so what you're saying is I'm not cool enough to be a guest as myself. Right. Okay, it's fine. I'm here. You know, I'm here.

But yeah, I mean, of course, that your ego in the back of your mind is like, all right, you've never had me back. Well, I applaud that whole cast for stepping up and doing that. I mean, I also, it worked out great for me because I did get a picture... With everyone in costume? Fully in costume, yeah. Wow.

Like, that's probably the only time that that's ever happened. I don't think it's ever happened before. Unless you managed to get on set, which some people did. You know, there are some people that came on set because they were big fans, like, at the time. And were up in Vancouver for whatever. Like, the whole band, the whole Anthrax band, were like big fans and came to set.

So they've got pictures with all of it. So, you know, yeah. But that was a long time ago. It is a long time ago. I just wrote, I was asked, I think it was for Variety's Top 100 shows, I was asked, do you want to write an entry? And I wrote mine about Battlestar Galactica.

And how it was one- Did you really? I did, I just wrote it in the last, a couple months ago. And I really did, before I knew you were coming on, I wrote wonderful things about you. So just know that I wasn't doing it because I knew you were coming on. What was it about Battlestar Galactica that had such an impact, like, on your opinion

of television at that time? Well, it was basically just, this was, you know, Variety asked, they were like, we're doing our top hundred shows, do you want to write about one? And I was trying to pick one that maybe I thought nobody, or I guess I said, do you have, they had the list, sorry, let me establish, They had the list, so they had picked Battlestar. And they said, these are ones nobody has written about, and I just jumped at the chance to write about it. And then because I was writing about it,

I rewatched the first mini-series and season one in like a day and a half. It's really, it comes back to the great. Part of me is hoping that this issue hasn't printed yet, and it's gonna print and someone else will have written the Battlestar Galactica rundown. They didn't take mine. Yeah, that'd be hard to agree. They were like, sorry, Seth. It wasn't...

He's talking about it. I wrote the Battlestar. And then it's like, oh, Dave Eggers writes about Battlestar Galactica. Eggers, they always take Eggers. It was a long time ago. I need to watch it. I've never watched it. So I actually need to go. No.

So what we did was back in the day when we were filming, we did crazy long hours on that show and I had a girlfriend that worked in the office that was one of the producers' assistants and they would give us the, in order to sort of track where we were at, we could go in and request to take the DVD in its rough cut to our trailers, watch the last few episodes. So we sort of like knew how it cut together, where we were, things like that. So I've watched the, I would say the majority of this series in rough cut form while I was filming the other, the show. And so that's the only way I've seen it without special effects, without like, you know,

final color correction and sound, all of that stuff. So I need to go back and actually watch it. And my husband's never seen it. So I think it would, you know, be kind of fun. Yeah. The best thing I can say is it holds up, which not everything does. So you're in for a real treat. Really?

Oh, I'm excited. And I'm such a baby on this show that I think that I could actually have that separation now and be like, oh, that character's kind of cool. Oh, definitely. Oh, you're going to be very happy with how you look, everything about it. You're going to be thrilled.

The last thing I'll say about it is my girlfriend, who is now my wife, lived in LA, where Josh was. I lived in New York. And I was visiting her when the series finale aired. And Josh came over and we watched it together. And she'd never watched the show. So she basically was in the other room while Josh and I were on the couch, side by side, watching the final Battlestar.

And we were both like tearing up. And she just came in and was like, ugh. I was not I do not think it was the most masculine she's ever seen me. But she married you. She did. Yeah. She knew masculinity is way overrated. Yes. Completely overrated. Yeah. Yeah. If it's anything, it's toxic. Y'all. It's toxic. Yeah. Yes. Completely overrated. Yeah, yeah. If it's anything, it's toxic, y'all. It's toxic, yeah.

Yeah. Get choked up at Battlestar and find your true inner self. And then post on social media to prove that you did it. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, we're gonna take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors.

Family Trips is supported by Airbnb. Hey, Pachi. Yes, Sufi. You know we have an annual trip. Yeah, we sure do. We get a couple regular trips, but which trip are you talking about? I'm talking about the fact that you and I and 10

of our closest college friends get together every September for our fantasy football draft. Such a trip. And very little of the trip is about a fantasy football draft. Yeah. I always feel a little nerdy saying that we're going on a fantasy football draft, but we're going to hang out with our buddies. Yeah. That's why I say it's a fantasy friendship draft.

Would that make it less nerdy or is it maybe worse? No, I think it's charming. It's sweet. So this year for our fantasy friendship draft, we have a fantasy location booked. And it's all thanks to Airbnb. We found a place that has enough space for all of us and enough bedrooms for all of us and has a lot of outdoor activities.

A fire pit. There's a fire pit, Pachi. There's a fire pit. I want to say there's a volleyball court. Yep. There's a pickleball court. There's a lot. It's driving distance to a hospital that a bunch of 50-year-old guys are going to have to go to

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You're an Oregon girl, yeah? I am, I am. And we actually moved back as a family about a year ago now. I grew up in a really, really small town that, you know, I think maybe had a traffic light. Has since gotten a little bit bigger, but because the mill, it's called St. Helens, Oregon, but because the mill was closed down, it really is still just a through town, sadly. It had the ability to be something great,

I think, because it's right on the water. And it just it sort of that went out the window when the mill closed. So it's it was I grew up there and then moved to Portland when I was probably 4th to 12, 13 went to school there for a little bit and then immediately moved to Los Angeles when I was 18. So growing up were you an outdoorsy family being from that neck of the woods? We were, yeah. We were very outdoorsy. I mean, you hear this from so many people that grew up sort of in my generation where your parents kicked you outside and said, I don't want to see you until dinner time. That was very much the way that we grew up.

We grew up in a small town. We were provided the luxury to go wherever we wanted, and our parents knew they could find us somewhere. We got into some trouble, and never too bad. But we were always outside, and it was a big thing. My brother and I were—I'm more—well, that's—I'm more organized athletics, like athletic, than my brother. My brother is more like independent athletic.

I was gonna say that I, you know, was more on teams and played outdoors and stuff like that. And my brother was, is always been outdoorsy and owns a tree farm now. So like we're, it's still very much in our DNA. Is that Christmas trees? No, so in this, in Oregon, they have this thing, it's called forest or farm deferral, where you can, if you don't cut your trees down, you can defer a portion or all of your property taxes to

just maintain the forest. And so my brother has a massive piece of property where he selectively cuts trees down, but will maintain the bulk and the majority of those trees because it reduces his taxes. So we could, my husband and I are like, so what farm animals could we get to reduce? And how many farm animals and how much money? It's not a lot guys, it's like $700.

So I'm like, we could go through $700 worth of eggs. You know, maybe we need a llama. Like that would be kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah, I think there is a mistake you make where like you get a horse and you realize, I think this is 10 X our taxes. Whatever we saved, like we just absolutely put back

into this horse. No, you want something that you can butcher if you have to, if they act up. You know what I mean? Sorry, if anyone's vegetarian out there. If someone's gonna, I'm vegan for the record. If someone's gonna butcher an animal between you and your husband, who's it gonna be?

Oh, not me. You guys, I form emotional connections to cockroaches. I wanna say- It's not, it is not me. To go back to you being a lot smileier than people might think, you said butcher with more light in your eyes than anybody I've ever. You got an animal you can butcher?

It was really, I was like, God, that, I made it seem like it was a favor to the animal. I mean, like slightly, you know, I mean like life is hard. Life is hard for a rooster. It is. Your brother, like, slightly. You know, I mean, like, life is hard. Life is hard for a rooster. Your brother, older, younger? My brother is 16 months older than I am, so we're very, very close in age. Had so many of the same friends growing up.

And, you know, that brought some conflict a lot of the times. Especially when it got to a point where, like, you know, I started noticing boys and they were all my brother's friends. That was a bit of a problem. Yeah. Did you ever actively date one of his friends? Oh, my gosh. Not to his knowledge. Great.

Not to his knowledge. You know Not to his knowledge. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, you gotta keep that stuff secret. By the way, in the teenage years, like having a secret boyfriend from your brother, I gotta imagine that's like taking a lot of boxes. It is. You know, my brother was sent away. He was a bit of a demon, and he was sent away to boarding school for a year.

And when he came back, I had like, really secured myself in the group friend that was his. Because I missed my brother, you know, so I hung out with his friends and they really like took care of me while he was gone in the way that a brother would. And so those guys are still, you know, great friends of mine. Did it work sending them away for a year? No. Yeah. So FYI, if your child is a problem child,

don't forcibly send them to a boarding school in Provo, Utah. Yeah, fair. Yeah, there's a lot wrong with that one. It seems like that's- There is, but it's also like, you know, at the time my parents didn't know what to do, you know, and my brother was really sort of off any track that was going to lead to good. It was, and they didn't know what to do.

It was, he and my dad were starting to like physically fight. And it was, you know, it was not good. So that was the only, and they didn't forcibly take him. It's not like guys like showed up like, you know, in black suits and carried him away. They told him he was going and he didn't have a choice and he went. But it, he still holds it against them today.

And he's 46. Yeah. Yeah. By 56, I'm sure it'll be a memory, you know. It's fine. It's fine. Give him another 10 years. Yeah. Another 10 years, my parents will die.

I feel like it just sort of comes with the territory as Oregonians, but were you campers? Did you, as a family, would you like road trip and camp or was that not your style? No, guys, I wanted to be that person. I still wanna be that person. I say to my husband at least twice a week, we should get some campaign stuff.

We should be those people. But my in-laws, or my brother-in-law and his wife are those people, they go into like Banff National Forest and like camp in like the middle of nowhere where like there's bears and shit. And my husband's like, we should go do that. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want to really camp. I want to stop on the side of the road

where you drive like 200 feet into a little river and you set up tents so close to your neighbors that you see, you know, many people's asses that you never needed to see. I don't want to be in the middle of nowhere. Where if a bear comes, I just roll over and die. I don't want to, that's not my style. where if a bear comes, I just roll over and die. I don't wanna, that's not my style.

Untouched by the bear, just from fear. Just like, oh, this is better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%. Like I wanna be in the Mercedes, like V8, you know, van. Yeah. That's my style. Gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would my stuff. Gotcha. Gotcha. I would like mine to be a working food truck as well.

Now you're talking about Oregon. Right. The bears would go nowhere near a food truck. Oh, wait a minute. All right, all right. I didn't think it through. You guys, you guys, we have a bear at our house. Do you?

And we are not, yes, and we are not like where my brother lives. Like if my brother was like, I got a bear shitting in my yard, I would be like, oh my God, it makes complete sense. I'm so glad I don't live by you. We just have coyotes. No, there is a bear that is pooping in our yard. And I know this because when we first moved in, we had a lot of trees removed and I saw this huge pile of poop that my dogs were rolling a lot of trees removed and I saw this huge

pile of poop that my dogs were rolling in and it was black and it had like seeds in it and I thought one of the guys who had done the work on her house, because it was raining so bad, I just thought they had to poop. They had to poop and they just thought it'll rain away. Like this is what people do in Oregon, like us from California. That's what especially do in Oregon. Like us from California. Especially loggers. Right? So we were like, okay. So I brushed that off as like people poop. Then about like, you know, three weeks, a month ago, I see this huge pile of poop again. And I'm like, we haven't had any tree work done. What is this? And there are so many seeds in it. And my father

in law was here who middle of,, middle of the interior British Columbia, they know wild animals. And he goes, that's bear poop. And I was like, ah! We have a bear? We live seven minutes away from downtown Portland. Why do we have a bear? Yeah, terrified.

I'm scared to go outside. What if your brother is just bringing the bear poop from his house and leaving it in your yard as an elaborate prank? I would have so much respect for him if that's what he was doing. And he's obviously putting it right where you can see it. Right outside the kids' playhouse, you know what I mean? Where you know you're going to see it.

Where I was like, wow, the bear really likes tea cups. Right. How old are your kids now? Oh my lord. Almost three and four months. Oh my goodness. Wow. Oh my goodness. Mm.

Yeah. Oh my goodness. But our son is so big. I mean, I want to say congratulations about that. How's the, is the four-year-old sleep, four-month-old sleeping? Yes, you guys, we've been really blessed

with like two beautiful sleepers. But we also sleep-trained the crap out of them. For anyone that doesn't believe in sleep training, I'm really sorry. It worked magically for both of us. Yes. I'm happily married to a woman who believes in sleep training. And it is a godsend. It was like we took a course, and we implemented it it immediately and both of our kids started sleeping through the night.

Around four months old. Around four months old. We had a, we have three, we had a great sleeper, a terrible sleeper and thank God our, you know she's just turned three, but she's the best sleeper of all of them. The little one? The little one. And I feel like we just constantly are like, if she'd been a bad one, I don't think we'd still be married. Because like we just, our sleep is so deprived to begin with and she has just been an angel. Yeah. I've started now waking up at 430 in the morning to get anything done though, because they

both are early risers. They get up at six o'clock. So if I don't get up before them, they also stay awake till 7.38. And that's like an hour with my husband. It's like, or by myself. I have no time for anything. I haven't picked up a weight for a year. Like I am, I need to,

I'm still figuring out how to be a mom. Yes. It's, I'm in awe of it as someone who is lucky enough to live with one. So, Godspeed. It's crazy. Thank you. Thank you so much. Did you guys said you were by the water? Were you a boating family? That's what we were. So, we were, my dad had this thing, because he grew up in St. Helens on the water and he always grew up around boats and, you know, smaller boats and

he grew up with very little money. His dad passed when he was really young. And so my dad had this thing in his mind that if he could have a big power boat someday, that he will have made it. That was his like, I've arrived sort of thing, right? And so we grew up on the water. We had a small boat, like a 25 foot sea ray type thing, but it slept the whole family. And we spent our summers tooling around the San Juan islands on this boat with my parents. And my greatest memories like as a child

are a majority of them are summers in the San Juan islands And my greatest memories, like as a child, are a majority of them are summers in the San Juan Islands on that boat with my family. And it is, my dad has over the years upgraded his boats and to the point where they're now huge and not as fun, to be honest. Cause it's terrifying now. Now he's 78 and I'm worried he's gonna sink us all. Like, it's taken on a completely different life,

but we were definitely boaters and it's something that brought so many memories, so many memories. Would you sleep on the boat? Would you, was that, were they those kinds of boats? They were, and my brother and I, our bunk was, my parents had the front of the boat, if you will, like one of those like, you know, queen size sort of beds

that goes into a point. And my brother and I were underneath the captain's chair. So we had this little thing where we crawled into it and that's where we slept. And we slept like, you know, side by side while we were big enough and then foot to head for a long time. And sometimes when we had friends when we got older, we would actually sleep out on the back of the boat as well. So, you know, because you got so big we couldn't fit down below.

And you get to a point where you don't want to share a bed with your brother anymore, so you have to sort of move apart. But my dad didn't upgrade the size of the boat until we were both older and away from home. Gotcha, real slap in the face. Yeah, real slap in the face. How long would it take to get from where you live to the San Juan islands? How close were they?

I think it was probably like a day and a half, not far. I mean, you basically like, you know, from St. Helens, which is really close to like Rainier or Washington. And you sort of like you go up the river and then you go over the barge and you're now in open water, you're in the ocean. And then it's probably like another hour. So it wasn't that far. And my dad has done it multiple times by himself as well with the big boat.

And they sort of like go up with the yacht club people and like this train of drunk people that are driving boats in their seventies. It's really cool. And, but you hop scotch around those islands. Some of them are in the United States, some of them are in Canada. For anyone who doesn't know, they're like the Hawaiian islands of the Pacific Northwest. And it's really fun to tool around.

And we still go up now. My husband and I love it up there. Do you, when you go, do you go by boat? We don't, neither one of us knows how to drive a boat. And I mean, I could drive a boat, I just couldn't, I can't dock it. Right. So, you know, it's crucial to being able

to actually experience the whole boating thing. Right, because otherwise then you get all the way there and you tell your family like, take a look. And they're like, we're not getting off? You're like, no, no, no, just take a look at the beautiful outlets. No, no, no, no, no. Somebody swims out to get us at a certain point. But we both talk about wanting to learn because it is really wonderful.

It is like camping on the water, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure when you have such little kids, you really want to learn and know you know what you're doing before you just get out there with a couple small children. Yeah, yeah. Because like, you know, I don't think bear mace is not going to save you from like a sinking boat. There are there are certain things that can go wrong while you're camping.

And I think that camp camping, to be honest, is the the the sort of like financial entry point to camping is is very low low depending on what you want that experience to be for your family. Boating is not, you know, boating is a very, very different experience. And that's why my dad had put so much emphasis on, someday I'm gonna have a boat because that means I financially made it as a person,

which was very important to him after losing his dad so young, you know. Yeah. When you were on a long boat ride to the islands, do you remember what you and your brother were doing? Like, how do you pass? Like, we talked to so many people on this show about, like, long car rides. Is a long boat ride the same thing? Same thing.

You bring books. You bring, you know, books were huge for both my brother and I. Comic books, I remember my dad would stop by the gas station and we would just grab a bunch of comic books and things like that and take that with us. You know, we also sat on the back. Like it was, you know, being down below in a boat when you're moving is like a car ride on steroids. If you get motion sickness at all,

you can't be downstairs on a boat where it's, when it's moving. So you sort of have to sit up above and be part of the experience. I think, which is part of what my parents loved so much about it is that it's this forced connectivity as a family. You sort of, you can't get out at a gas station and say you're not coming back.

Right. Right. But when you would sort of hopscotch to these islands, would you get off and walk around for an hour? Would there be like a restaurant that you could dock at? Like what do you do as you bop around those islands? So you sort of have to have a little bit of a plan in place because you do want to either, you know, have a slip for the boat or anchor out and drop the dinghy and sort of go to

the island and things like that. And ultimately what it was was we had a little bit of that, but you would stay in one place for a few days and then you would go to the next place. And sometimes that meant you had a slip if my parents either could afford it or, you know, they were on top of it with their planning. Or other times it just meant you'd drop anchor and we'd sleep out there and we would tool around on the dinghy. And what it was, was like a lot of things like we would fish and we would, we would hunt shrimp off a dock, which I've probably eaten so much gasoline in my life, you guys, just from like getting shrimp off a dock. Like I would never allow my child

to eat shrimp off a dock anymore. Like I don't even know, I don't even know what's in that. How do you even hunt shrimp off a dock? It is the coolest thing. So you have to wait for nighttime and you have your little nets, which all the kids on the docks used to do. I don't know if they still do it.

And you get a flashlight and you look into the kids on the docks used to do, I don't know if they still do it, and you get a flashlight. And you look into the water on the edge of the dock, so all these kids are just laying on the edge of the dock with our flashlights pointed down, catching shrimp because their eyes glow. So as soon as you see them, you grab them with the net and then you chuck them in a bucket. And so you could spend, God, an hour out on that dock and get enough shrimp for, like, an entire family.

And then my mom would cook them and we would just eat shrimp. And that's, like, what we did. And it was so much fun. And then some of the places would have, you know, a resort at the place where you would dock your boat and you could go to their pool or something like that. And, um, and, but we spent a lot of time going around and seeing what the islands had. Like there's a lot of hikes, there's, you know,

rose gardens and all these things that I'm sure we really appreciated as children. But it was just a fun, outdoorsy kind of like summer, you know? Do you worry now that their eyes only glowed because they were full of gasoline? That it was the gasoline that made their eyes glow? The fact that I don't have some sort of like,

superpower brought on by chemical exposure is really impressive. I'm just impressed of all these kids eating shrimp because of course my kids, like I've taken my kids clamming, but then they don't really want to eat the clams. Although my daughter loves clams, but the boys, useless. She loves them. So my mom, she loves them.

My daughter loves shrimp. I don't know how that happened. She loves shrimp. But my mom had these ways of masking food. Have you ever had a gooey duck before? Yes, you know, I haven't had one, but Joel McHale, who's from out in Seattle, I feel like he showed a picture of one on the show.

It's a giant. Giant razor neck clam. Can I say, does it look like what I think it looks like? It looks like a vagina and a penis. Thank you. I think like it was a lot. I enjoyed that you said it more than I guessed into the void.

It does. And then, you know, for the violent people out there, you take it out of the shell as my mother would and she would beat the crap out of it with a meat mallet to tenderize it and then bread it and then feed it to us with tartar sauce. Would she just hit the penis part of it? In front of my dad.

Just nailing away at that thing. Come in, I want you to watch me make dinner. Violent, very violent. Watch me, watch me, watch me make dinner. Violent, very violent. As with fish and that they might swim away with sound, is there any advantage to shrimp to being quiet as your kids on a dock or are you giggling and laughing and being kids because shrimp don't know what's happening regardless?

You know, I think that they don't know. I think that they don't know. I think that they don't know. I'm sure that when you put them in hot water, they know what's happening. And this is, this is, yeah, this makes me feel bad until I eat them. And so I'm sure, but like in the whole catching process, no, they would like just sit there. And I don't know if the flashlight like blinded them. And then we caught them, I don't know. But yeah, they don't really, they're not that hard to catch. Well, people in the San Juan Islands, the expression is like a shrimp in flashlights. Right. That's what they say. Not a deer in headlights. It's like a shrimp in flashlights. They're trying to sell it to the rest of the country, but they were like, no. It's on t-shirts.

They can't sell it to Canada or America. Neither one. They can't. No, but just on the Canadian T-shirts, it's like a shrimp in a flash at A, and it doesn't work. It doesn't work. They try really hard.

Did you ever, so you would meet other kids, I would guess. You didn't, your high school friends were not on trips like this, correct? No, so we would meet other kids from other boats, like hanging out on the dock, and then that would sort of be your friend for the summer. That would be your friend for a little bit until their family jumped on the boat and went away.

But I have this one experience that like still breaks my heart because I think I might've, maybe I was an annoying child. I don't know. But I met this one girl and I really liked her. Like really liked her. I don't remember her name. I don't remember what she looked like. I just remember that we really got along. And I think there's a picture of us actually together. And then there was this moment where her mother, we were no longer allowed to hang out for the summer. And I was so heartbroken. And I don't know what happened

because I wasn't like an obnoxious kid. I mean, you know, I guess I had ADHD. So I probably talked a lot, which, you know, has helped me in my career these days, but I don't know. And I remember that so viscerally because I was like, what could I have done? That like made them- Did you ever invite her over while your mom was making gooey duck?

Yeah, the dad. Maybe. The dad. Yeah. Yeah, it was an issue. But no, you would make friends with people and then you would sort of hang out for the summer with them.

And it was fun. It was so much fun. And we would go clamming like you do. You were never like, ugh, I wanna go back home to see my friends. You were just like happy to be out in the world. No, I loved it, I loved it. My brother, not so much.

I loved it so much that I did it with my dad alone as I got a little bit older. Or like I would take a friend and it would be my dad and me and a friend because I enjoyed that. And I'm also a people pleaser and it's something my dad enjoys thoroughly and no one else wanted to do it anymore. So I was like, I'll go. And now we're going to take a quick break to hear from one of our sponsors. Support for Family Trips comes from Everyday Dose. Hey, Pashi.

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Go to everydaydose.com slash trips for 25% off plus five free gifts with your first order. Here we go. Did you guys get along as a foursome? Honestly, I have such a bad memory. We did. I think so. I think we did. I have these very fond memories. We skied a lot and we hung out at the cabin and we were very outdoorsy as a family. But I also remember my parents fighting a lot.

They're still married, so obviously they don't quit anything. But they fought nonstop. And that is the main thing that I remember about family trips, was that my mom and dad just fought, for the most part. Would they fight and then go to their separate corners or would they stay in it? I think it was literally, they just stayed in it for 50 years. They're still in it.

They're still in that. But there's no one else that they would rather fight with, you know what I mean? In this weird effed up sort of thing. Like they have found their match in a beautiful way. But my brother and I are both terrified of confrontation. Got you. Terrified. Yeah.

Well, fair enough. We have a couple of those 50 years in it and in it to win it. Parents as well. Do you? Yep. Yeah. It's fun. It is fun.

I wouldn't want to meet any new people. No, I know. I'm really happy with those. I also don't want to think about my dad having sex or my mother having sex with anyone, including each other. I do. You do? Yeah.

Ika, you know what? Let's probably cut that out, no. No. No. I mean, I don't even want to think about them having sex with one another. I mean, in my perfect world, it was twice. Yeah.

That's it. Two times for us too. I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to know that. My mother also was an oversharer with children. So, so I know a lot of things that I should never have known as a child. And so, you know, you learn from these things. I hope to pass them along to my child, the opposite. Right.

I am married. You guys, I'm married to an oversharer. Like, I feel like that doesn't surprise you, right, Josh? Like, Alexis' family is so open. Yeah. And I'm just like, oh boy, here we go. Yeah. Yeah.

I married an oversharer. Like, not an oversharer, but like an over... My family's not touchy. You know, like my family is like, we're like a huggy. We hug each other all the time, which drives my husband nuts. He goes, so we live in Portland now. When do we get to a point where we don't have to hug goodbye every time we see your family?

And I'm like, I'm like this coming from the guy who the first time I saw him give his mother a massage, she was like, oh, Robbie. Oh, oh my God, right there Robbie. Oh, Robbie. Oh, and I remember thinking to myself, what the sweet fuck is happening? So now when he gives me a massage

and it feels really good, I always go, oh, Robbie. Of course. But his family is very, very touchy. They're very open with their love for each other and like they're very just emotionally available and physically available to each other, which always like felt feels weird to me. Like that, you know, I don't know, it just feels very strange to me. And I'm always like, wow, Canadians, man. But the hugging, the hugging throws him for a loop, but they're very touching. Yeah, because he's like,

when do we get to not hug your family goodbye when we see them for the coffee? Meyers family. Yeah, also it's not like it takes long. Yeah, like I stay in that hug for a good minute. It's like, I just want to beat traffic. Do we have to do the hugs? Yeah.

That's exactly, that's a thing. I will say the first time, I think the first time I met my future father-in-law, my wife warned me, she's like, and just FYI, my dad might kiss you on the lips. Does he still kiss you on the lips? He's a real kisser. Yeah, he's kissed me on the lips.

Yeah. Has he? Yeah. My dad started kissing on the lips. He's a real kisser. Yeah, he's kissed me on the lips. Yeah. Has he? Yeah. My dad started kissing on the lips older. Oh. He started doing it as an adult, to show affection. And I think it's cause he sort of was influenced

by people around him that were doing it. And he was like, okay, all right, I guess this is what we do. And so that's what we do. Yeah, great. Yeah, yeah, not weird at all. I don't think so. I think I started as a, when people came out as guests,

I think I did start like maybe kissing women on the cheek, which felt like maybe what I'd seen like old school hosts do. And then I stopped doing that. I kind of had a moment where I'm like, I feel like this just doesn't feel like. Yeah. Yeah, but we also we both lived in Amsterdam for a little while, which is a very kissing culture.

It's like a three kisses is sort of the standard greeting. So I don't know. I think maybe that was still in you somewhere. Now I just kiss them when the cameras stop rolling. No proof. You really wanna just make sure that there's no physical- I'm getting the kiss. I just don't know the right time.

Yeah, and you don't put it on camera anymore. My family, we're going to Amsterdam. Ooh, really? With two, the two littles. We are. Great. We are, yeah. Great. We are. Yeah. What is the what brought it about? So I am doing a sci fi convention in Germany. And I was like going to go by myself and just like fly over really quick

and fly back. And then I thought to myself, hey, this is it's during December. Like maybe and I am like like Christmas. Like I literally I like bleed Santa Claus. And so I was like, Christmas markets. I have been dying to go to German Christmas markets my entire life. And so we're going and we're taking the in-laws with us so we don't have to watch our own kids.

Great. So it's gonna be the you and your husband of two grandparents, two kids? Yeah, that's the plan. Amazing. Yeah, so we can at least give one away. Well, if you love Santa Claus, if you're in Amsterdam early enough, you could be there for Sinterklaasdag,

which is a sort of a weird version of Santa Claus that has some really racially questionable sidekicks, yeah, called Spark to Pete, which is getting some real kickback. Yeah, it's inappropriate. We were there to now, yeah, but it's a real thing. December 5th, Santa Claus. My husband keeps talking about Santa Claus

with my daughter, and I'm like, she's three. She's so confused already. Yeah, don't add a second Santa Claus. No, don't add a second Santa Claus. And I think that she thinks that he's like the elf on the shelf wants to murder her. Like I think that she's terrified of all of this stuff. Well, Sinterklaas, if you're bad,

he comes on a boat from Spain. And if you're bad, he puts you in a bag and takes you to Spain where you will make toys for other children for a year. So it's a bit worse than a lump of coal in your stocking. It's like equivalent. It's kidnapping. Yeah, it's equivalent to a year

at a boarding school in Provo. It's like, yeah. There you go. Who knew? So how long is your trip? 12 days. 12 days. So we're doing,

seven of the days in Germany and then five or six of the days in Amsterdam. Flying in and out of Amsterdam. Great. Have you taken, obviously not the four month old, has the older one been on a plane overseas? Yeah, when she was seven months old, we went to London with her.

So she, and she has traveled so much. She's such a great traveler. And so it's, and he will, our son will be about the same age that she was when she traveled internationally the first time. We had a pediatrician then though, that told us to just give her Benadryl.

So I was like, all right, like let's give her Benadryl. She slept the whole way over. Come to find out that you should never give your child Benadryl for the first time, actually on the plane when you need them to sleep because it can have the opposite effect on some children. It did on mine. You felt like a child that is, did you?

Yep. It literally was like bang. What happened? Oh my God. So you tried it on a plane and that's what happened? We tried it on a plane. He was awake the whole flight. Every time anybody walked by, he said, hi.

So loud, everybody trying to sleep. And then the famous line was when we landed and everybody was so over him, so over him. And the wheels touched the ground and he screamed, we did it guys. And there was no, he thought there would be a collective cheer and there was a real like, we did nothing. How old was he? Was he in a cute phase?

He was. I would say two and a half. Yeah. Super cute then. Super cute, but they were not, nobody was having it. Nobody was having it. Yeah, yeah, I can imagine. That's a fantastic way to tie work and family together, I'll tell you. I think so.

You know, I sort of had this, this thinking about conventions that like if they're close, and I can go and come back in, you know, a day and a half, I'll go by myself. If it's farther than like that, and it would, I'd have to be gone for four days, that maybe we just extend it and only pick places that are fun to travel to. So like, we're going to Costa Rica next year. That would be fun. That's fantastic.

Yeah, and then I think at some point, Australia is supposed to happen. I keep pushing that one back because I don't want to be on a plane for 14 hours with two children. That seems insanity. Like that's like 10. I can handle 10. You know what I mean? Going going past that 12 hour mark. I don't know if I'm ready for which of your pieces of work is the biggest draw at the conventions. You know, it used it used to be Battlestar for sure. And then last year, it finally transitioned to be Star Wars.

That's what I was weighing, the recency bias of Star Wars. But that must be great. I think that that audience is just so consuming of the universe that anyone that's a part of it, that becomes, you become synonymous with that project. Yeah, I'm sure those Star Wars fans and Mandalorian fans aren't mad at the Battlestar Galactica sort of kicker. Piece of it, yeah.

Yeah. I don't think so. You know, my goal in life, I keep saying that my goal in life is to really confuse people. Sci-fi fans particularly, when they come to talk to me about a project, I just want to do so much of it that they come to me and they have this just word scramble come out of their head.

Like, battle, there's a hard track. They just can't. That's my goal, to just really continue to do sci-fi stuff, to, you know, go for the real geek trifecta. Well, you're certainly, like, getting the pick of the litter. So I don't, it seems like a very good plan that's working out for you. You know, I couldn't have scripted it myself, so it's pretty awesome. How young were you when you went to LA?

I went down with my mother at 17. Um, to find... Acting in your eyes? Yes. Yeah. I had done a lifetime movie of the week when I was 17, 16, 17. Um, that was with Kirsten Dunst. Um, and I booked, like, a one-scene role 16, 17. That was with Kirsten Dunst.

And I booked like a one scene role that got me tafft-heart lead into the union, which was amazing. I had no idea what that would actually mean to my career to just be inducted into the union that quickly. But the director of that movie convinced my mother that there was something about me that she needed to take me to Los Angeles to introduce me to his representatives. And so my mom flew me down and introduced me to his agent and manager who I immediately, they signed me with no resume. And as soon as I turned 18 and graduated high school,

my mom drove me down and left me there. Really? How long did she stay in LA? Or was she like just drop you off at the corner and then turn right around? I think she stayed long enough to like help me set up the apartment. Because the deal was that if I stayed in community college, they would pay my rent. Everything else I had to cover with like a job,

but they would pay my living expense. And so my mom set me up and, you know, I went to Santa Monica Community College. And I mean, it was awesome. It was so great. And it was awesome. It was so great. Yeah, it's got a cool campus and yeah. It's and it was like it was I think not daunting. It was small enough but big enough that my mom didn't feel terrified.

I don't know how she did it. I don't know how she did it. But she dropped me off and she said that she cried the entire flight home. But like she goes, Katie, you know when you cry when a little kid cries and they can't catch their breath, the entire way home, people on the plane thought someone had died. Like I just couldn't stop crying. And the irony was that I had dropped her off at the airport and I lost my car at the airport parking because it was so big. I didn't remember where I parked. And I sat sobbing. Classic from the woods, girl.

Sobbing in the parking lot at LAX trying to find my car until she pretty much landed. And so we were both sobbing for probably two hours. I was terrified. And finally a security guard took pity on me and like threw me in a golf cart and drove me around to find it. Cause you know that weird parking lot where five and six are connected

and you can walk from one to the next. I got lost and couldn't remember what structure I parked in. And then I was just, it was so big. I grew up in a small town and had only lived in Portland for like three hours or three years and had never really, I only drove in Portland for a year and everything was very small to me. And then I moved to LA and it was massive, massive. And I just was, yeah, a fish out of water, crazy. Yeah.

It is really speaks to the problem. And they're like, do you remember what level you're on? And you're like, I don't even remember the structure. Well, also, if you were parked at the terminal, I feel like they give you 15 minutes to drop someone off. But also, if you had to wait for two hours for your mom to land, you're probably paying like 60, 70 bucks at that point.

I know, I know, which was like all the money I had. That was supposed to pay like my, you know, like at that point, that was the money for my utilities and my gas. Had to leave the car there for six months. Like it, you know, it was, I remember that just being really, really scary. And then by the grace of all things holy,

I booked a show that moved me to Vancouver when I was 18. So I got to slowly grow into California. What was the Vancouver show in 18, when you were 18? It was called The Fearing Mind. It was a show on Fox Family that only lasted for nine episodes, but it got me out of LA for like four or five months. Um, and, you know, it's a little things like that would happen where, um, and then I had to just get used to Los Angeles

and then moved to New York for a year. Um, so I was bouncing all over the place. What was the New York year? It's amazing. 2001. Wow, that was the year I moved to New York City. Was it? Yeah, I moved, but I moved to West Village.

Okay, it's a much smarter place to move with a lot of youth in that area. I moved to the Upper East Side. Yeah. I should say, Upper East Side. Yeah. I only, I should say, I came in a small town as you. I had no sense of where I should live in New York City, but a friend of Josh and I was leaving New York and he had the apartment in the West Village.

And he said, you should just take over my apartment. Don't look around. This is the place you want to be. Oh my God, so smart, so smart. And I have, I have lived within half a mile of that apartment for the last almost 24 years. Have you really? Yeah.

Wow. Four apartments. That's crazy. Four apartments, five apartments in 24 years. Pretty crazy. Wow. I love it. That's like some rent control.

It's so funny though, but I realize I am, I'm a New Yorker, but I'm also a very small town because I like to go to the same coffee place. I like to know the people at the deli. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. And that's what I love about New York.

When we go back, we stay in small places. Were you living here during 9-11? I was. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So I moved there for a show that shot in Burbank, like so did Burbank, excuse me, in Brooklyn. I was saying that's a terrible,

New York's a terrible place to live if you're shooting in Burbank. Terrible communicating. It's crazy. What are you doing? JetBlue used to fly to Burbank. Burbank is thrilled that they've just been essentially considered the Brooklyn of Los Angeles.

The Brooklyn of Los Angeles. The Brooklyn of Los Angeles. And I was there for 22 episodes of a show, a show with Richard Dreyfuss. It was an awesome, it was a really great sort of upbringing in the business. But 9-11 happened and we got canceled during that time. And I was very relieved to sort of leave New York. As a small town kid, I was that, I was just, it was too much for me to sort of navigate through emotionally.

I think it was the first time, and I don't know how it affected you, but like that was the first time, and I don't know how it affected you, but that was the first time that I realized that bad things happen. I was very sheltered in life, very sheltered in life. I would put myself in situations where how I didn't get into trouble was amazing. I was so ignorant to the world.

And that was the first time where I was like, oh, bad things happen. And it was too much for me to handle at 21. But you must have been, the Battlestar must have been pretty soon after, huh? It was right after that. It was right after that. It was like eight months later, yeah.

So how old were you for the first season of Balancer? 23. Oh my God. 23. Yeah, I turned 23 when we were shooting the mini series. Unbelievable. Yeah, super baby. Super baby.

It's crazy. It's an incredible piece of casting, let me tell you. Like, I feel like, cause I did it. You have to watch this show, Katie. You have to watch this. You have to watch it. It's crazy that we're telling you how good. I know I should, I should, I should watch it, you guys.

It's crazy, people tell me it's great. Yeah, they're right. I need to watch it. They're all right. I will have the time to watch 78 hours of any show when my children learn to wipe their own butts. Great. It's also, a friend of ours, Neil Brennan, used to use Battlestar as a joke where he's saying like nothing's more daunting when somebody's like, oh my God, you got to watch Battlestar.

And it's like, how long is it? It's like six seasons. And he's like, I could either like watch that or get a helicopter pilot's license. It's true. I was like, learn a different language. Yeah. You know what I mean? That is a commitment. It's a commitment.

It is a commitment, but you know what is great in the dirty secret of a previous era of television? Because Battlestar was commercial television, they're not hour-long episodes. And you realize how nice it is. No, they're 42 minutes. They're 42 minutes that you do not, like you get all the bang for your buck,

but you kind of feel a little bit less gross if you watch three in a night. It's true. And you also have that moment too, where you convince yourself to watch one more because it's not an hour. Well, have you ever seen maybe the greatest sketch about binging television ever called one more episode?

Which is Portlandia. Yeah Yeah, yeah Yeah, I mean you do live in Portland and I did we're on It was so funny too because I was so offended that I was not asked to be in that kind of shocking. Yeah Really offended and then my manager at the time was like, I didn't want to tell you, but they actually did inquire and you had just had your tonsils taken out.

And so I didn't bring it up because I knew it would break your heart. And I was like, I would have been a mute or something on this show. Like, you know what I mean? Like I didn't need faculties. I would have figured it out. Or maybe it was my thyroid when they took that out.

I don't remember what it was, but I was incapacitated and couldn't do it, which made me feel a little bit better that they asked. Of course, that's all you wanna know is you got asked. Yeah. That's all I wanna know. That's all I wanna know. You know, like did Letterman ever inquire to have me on the show as myself?

I was only as good as that suit. You know what I mean? I will dig into it. Uh, are you enjoying podcasting yourself? Um, I love it, you guys. I love it. Um, I wish I'd gotten into it sooner. Um, it's, it's, I don't know, there's something about having conversations with people, um, that is a contained conversation, where you are digging into

aspects about them that you would never normally get to talk about. And I love that. I really do. And it's allowed me to reconnect with people that I haven't seen for a long time and then meet people that I've never met, which is really fun. Well, based on talking to you today, I imagine you're very good at it. I was listening to the Edward James Olmos episode earlier this morning, and I'm jealous that you call him Eddie.

Just wouldn't even cross my mind that someone would call him Eddie, but of course, yeah, you guys are obviously so close and spent so much time together. And it is like, he's a fascinating guy and he's got a fascinating story. And I feel like, you know, so many fascinating people and then you have to meet the new people. That's something that we do.

And it's a, yeah, it's a joy. And yeah. So the Sackoff show. I love it. It's awesome. I, I realized I had ADHD though, you guys, when I started doing interviews because I had learned, and I don't know about you guys, if you had to sort of learn to have conversations. I mean, you know,

you do this for a living, but like I was raised where the only way you're hurt is if you talk over people. And so I had to learn how to actually have conversations and to hold on to a question and not blurt it out in the middle of a story because I'm not having coffee with this person. Like I'm, you know, I'm actually trying to get them to finish their story. And so, and I, and it made me realize that I had ADHD. So, you know, I'm now medicated. The podcast should be called Let Me Cut You Off with Katie Sackhoff. Where were you when I was trying to find a title that was freaking available? You guys, there are none. I've tried everything.

I even went so far as like having to, trying to get an AI program to create a name for me, and they couldn't find one. I'm glad you didn't go down that road. I before, Josh is going to ask you our wrap up questions, but when you're at your Christmas market, make sure you get a hot glass of glue vine, which is like a hot mold wine. Mold red wine, yeah.

It's delicious. But not for children? No. Not for children. No, no, no. Okay. Because it sounds like it would be hot chocolate. It sort of children? No. Not for children. No, no, no. Okay. Okay. Because it sounds like it would be hot chocolate. It sort of sounds like it would be hot chocolate. No.

And it might be too cold. And this is just sort of a plug for a very small company in Amsterdam, but there's a company called Those Damn Boat Guys. And they run these little boat tours that maybe can hold like 12 or 14 people. And you could do it with just your crew and say, we don't want anyone else on it.

And they're very charming. And we've got, you know, a friend that runs the theater that we work for over there. And he says, look at the glassed in boats and tell me if you ever see anyone who looks like they're having fun, because they don't. Like the huge boats, they just don't look fun.

It might be too cold, but if you guys bundle up, reach out to those damn boat guys. They're the best. You know what? I think we will do that. They just don't look fun. It might be too cold, but if you guys bundle up, reach out to those damn boat guys. They're the best. You know what, I think we will do that. And I have heated vests for everyone. Oh yeah. Speaking of small companies,

there's a company called Aroro. Love it. I have an Aroro vest, yeah. Do you? Yeah. So what I love about that company is they are a small company and their product is not astronomically expensive.

And so the entry point is a lot easier for people too, if you are in need of like a heated garment, it's affordable and they work so well. So I will just pack everybody's Aroro jackets and like heat us up. Because now that I know that we're going to go on a boat ride. Yes. Open air boat ride. Those damn boat guys. Yeah. Okay. Now Josh is going to lay final question.

All right. So we'll series of questions. Kind of quick hitters. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational? Oh shit. You guys. I would say adventurous. Great.

What is your favorite means of transportation? Train, plane, automobile, boat, bike, walking, something else. I would say plane, but now that I have children, anything under 10 hours, we are now driving. Great. This one's tricky. If you could take a vacation with any family,

alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a family vacation with? Oh my God. I was just gonna say my in-laws. They could babysit my kids. Okay, that's a laugh. And that's where you're at right now.

And that's when we asked. Yeah. That's when we asked. I'm so tired. Yeah, you got very- asked. I'm so tired. Yeah, you got very- Which I know so tired. Like I was trying- They cried a little bit when she gave that answer.

I did, a little bit. There was a tear in me that was like, I will never- A little bit, a little bit. She cried just a little bit. I'm just trying to figure out how to move them in. Yeah. Oh, good for you. It does, now would your husband not want them to move in?

I think if there was separation, I think he would be okay because I think he's as tired as I am. Yeah, great, yeah. How far away did they live by like a drive? 10 hours. Oh, right there. How far away are your parents? 30 minutes, less involved.

Yeah. Gotcha. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? My dad. Yeah. Right, yeah. Cause he'd have that boat and could get you right off the desert island. Lickety-slit. He could dock it.

Yeah, I actually really enjoyed talking to my dad too. He annoys the rest of my family. The rest of my family would never pick my father because he's such a tyrant, but I never run out of things to talk to my dad about. That's wonderful. I'd be entertained. You are from St. Helens, Oregon.

Would you recommend St. Helens as a vacation destination? No, but I would recommend right up the road, you can visit Astoria, and Clatskineye, which is the area where they shot Goonies. Oh yeah, yeah, I've been out there, it's beautiful. Just showed Goonies to my eight-year-old. I was worried it would be a little too scary, and it's just the best. Is it?

It's the Goonies are good enough for me. Amazing, such a good movie, an FYI. It's the Goonies are good enough. Amazing. For me. Such a good movie. FYI, so we, there's a little golden Goonies book. And so our daughter knows all about Goonies, but by little golden. So, cause my intention is to, to like expose her

to all of the things that I love in a palatable form for a three-year-old and then spring it on her. She's now obsessed and running around the house pretending she's Wonder Woman and she wants to find the Martian manhunter. Great. All by little golden.

So we're getting there. Yeah, great. We have a lot of those, yeah. Yeah. And Seth has our final questions. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? As a child and as an adult, yes. Oh, and was it worth it?

Yes. Okay. Did you like it as a child? I've never hiked down it. I think as a child, the trip in general was amazing. We went on this RV trip with my family and my grandparents when I was a kid. And we went like Yellowstone to the geysers

and the Grand Canyon and that whole thing. And that trip was a really fun trip for me, probably not my parents, who were sleeping toe to head on the table that turns into a bed and my grandparents got the really nice, you know, king size bed and my brother and I were up above the driver seat. I think I wet the bed four times on that trip. It didn't end well.

Well, it's a rented RV. Rent it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone else, someone's gonna deal with that. I mean, why are you putting a six-year-old who still wets the bed in a rented RV with no like pull-ups or like bed wetting protection whatsoever, that's on you. That's on you.

Yeah, you weren't the first kid that peed in that RV. No, probably not that much. Let yourself off the hook. I'll tell you that much. Why not? Don't go into a rented RV with the black light guys. that RV also. No, probably not that much. So let yourself off the hook. I'll tell you that much. Oh, I know. Oh, my God. Don't go into a rented RV with Blacklight, guys. No, no, no, no, no.

What do they say? It's like an RV in Blacklight? A. That's what they say in Canada. All right, we figured it out. Yeah. Katie, this has been a delight. What a joy to see you again, and thank you so much for your time.

Thank you, Katie. Oh my gosh, of course. It's been nice to see you guys again as well. Next time we're in a TSA line, make sure you say hi, Josh. I will say hi next time. And love to your family and enjoy your December trip. Thank you. I'm really excited about it.

Now I'm going to go tell my husband about those two damn boat guys. Yeah, those damn boat guys. Okay. Those damn boat guys. Okay. Got it. All right. Be well. Thank you. Thanks, Katie. Bye. Bye, guys. Katie and her family used to travel to the islands To the Hawaii of the Northwest, known as the San Juans

When they got hungry they'd drop the dinghy and row into shore And all the kids would grab their nets so they could go hunt prawns Cross your fingers, don't get your gooey duck See one of those be like, what the fuck? And the kids were all laying on the edge of the dock Kids were all laying on the edge of the dock And they'd look down below and see eyes on the glow See eyes on the glow! It was a great adventure for the kids at night They would all catch shrimp using a flashlight Our mom would cook the shrimpies, make sure they were clean

Add a little salt and pepper, hide the gasoline